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Hello and welcome to Talk Spooky

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to Me, the Ghost Story Guys

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Mail Show. I'm

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Brennan Stor. I'm Paul Bestow. And this is our

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opportunity to hear from you, our listeners.

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Paul, my friend, how are you doing? I'm doing very well. Summer

0:33

has arrived. So I've been spending time

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in and out as often as I can. It's all good.

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And long may it

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continue, my friend, thankfully. How about

0:43

you? I'm good. I am freshly

0:45

returned, well, I guess, couple days now,

0:48

from my trip on the weekend down

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to Logan Sport, Indiana, for the Goblin

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Market. Of course, hosted by artist Brett

0:54

Manning, who's a friend of the show. I finally

0:57

got to meet Brett in person. Which was very cool. I

1:00

also got to meet her husband Frank, who's a really cool guy,

1:02

a very talented musician. Got to hear him play later in the

1:04

evening. And really just had a

1:07

nice time hanging out in the countryside in

1:09

Indiana. Which I think is probably the only

1:11

time and place that is possible. Because what

1:15

I learned is that Indiana is primarily

1:17

composed of cornfields and detour signs. Okay.

1:20

Yeah. We

1:22

had a listener, Winter, who asked me to sign a

1:24

copy of my book. And I noticed

1:27

that the return address was in Toledo, Ohio,

1:29

which is on my way down to the

1:31

Goblin Market. So I took the

1:33

interstate down to Toledo, and I actually hand

1:35

delivered it to Winter's house. And

1:37

she wasn't home, so I just left it in the mailbox.

1:40

And I waved, she had a ring doorbell, so I waved at it,

1:42

and I took off. And I got

1:44

this hilarious message from her on Instagram afterwards. Along

1:46

with a photo of me, a blurry

1:49

photo of me on the porch looking like Sasquatch

1:51

on a trail camp. What's wrong with that man?

1:53

He's not stealing our boxes. Oh,

1:56

no, I took a box just so it's not weird. It's

1:58

an American custom. And it got a steel... some Amazon

2:00

parcels. It's the hobby that brings the country

2:02

together. So,

2:06

yeah, afterwards I took from Toledo down, I took

2:08

the back road. So, it took a lot longer

2:10

than it should have, but I love the countryside

2:12

and it's just a hell of a lot more

2:14

interesting than the interstate. But what I discovered on

2:16

the way back is that, yeah,

2:18

there are a lot of construction detours

2:21

happening in Indiana. So, I spent probably

2:24

three times as long as I should have pinballing back

2:26

and forth through cornfields until eventually I thought,

2:28

no, we're getting on the interstate for a little bit at least.

2:31

Because otherwise, if I stay much longer, they're going to

2:33

make me buy a house. Yes. Or

2:35

you could end up in Children of the Corn 5. That

2:37

is entirely... As long as it's not part three. Part three was

2:40

super gross. But

2:44

yeah, it was a really great time. Again, it

2:46

was really cool to finally meet Brett and Frank

2:49

and they have a lovely, lovely

2:51

piece of property down there. And the

2:53

goblin market is just a really, really great time.

2:56

I know they don't like to advertise it

2:58

too much because they don't really have the

3:00

facilities for a large crowd. And

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they have quite a crowd anyway. So I won't say,

3:04

obviously can't say exactly where it was, but still

3:07

really, really great time. So

3:09

thanks to those guys for hosting that. And

3:12

I look forward to next year. Yes. I

3:14

was very, very jealous. So I'm glad everybody

3:16

had a great time. We just got to

3:19

get you down there next year. Yes. Well,

3:21

you know, win the lottery and then that's me. I'm off.

3:24

Perfect. Case of wine. North

3:26

America for about five years, I think. I

3:30

look forward to it. I got to fix that lottery.

3:32

Stay for the World Cup. Oh, is that next year

3:34

or 26? There

3:36

we go. So we got time. Yeah.

3:39

Do it while I can because then we're hosting the Euros in 2028,

3:41

which will be great for them. Before

3:43

we move on to the mail, I will say it

3:46

was not all sunshine and roses because a

3:48

brand trip is not complete without

3:50

some kind of terrible underlining.

3:54

And I was staying at a Super

3:56

8 by the highway in Logan's Port, which

3:58

was actually very clean. And really great, so

4:00

this is not a mark against the hotel. The hotel cannot

4:02

help where it is located. But

4:05

after the goblin market, which has music

4:07

in the evening, I went for a

4:09

little drive, took some pictures, and then I decided to go back to

4:11

the hotel and work for a little bit.

4:13

So I stopped at the liquor store across from my

4:15

hotel, so I bought myself a lovely bottle of Miss

4:18

Cal and was chatting to the guy

4:20

at the counter who told me that ... One, he thought

4:22

I was local. I'm not sure what that says about me.

4:26

He was telling me about a drive-by shooting

4:28

that happened outside the store a

4:30

couple days prior. And I

4:32

thought, well, I can still pick accommodation. I still

4:34

have that gift. Thankfully,

4:37

no one was hurt. No one was actually hurt.

4:39

Their aim was not good. But

4:41

he said, well, at least that was over, but he said, we

4:44

still have had these armed robberies in the neighborhood too. And I

4:46

thought, Jesus Christ, I'm getting out of here. I

4:51

always forget, really, where Indiana

4:54

is in America. I don't know whether

4:56

it's just that concept of it. I always think

4:58

it's further down than it is, but it's not. It's quite

5:00

near the top. Yeah. To be honest,

5:02

I'm the same way. Again, if I'd taken Interstates,

5:04

it was only about a five-hour drive, five and

5:06

a half hour drive from here down to there, which

5:10

in the grand scheme of things isn't that far. But

5:13

I always imagine it being, yeah, much,

5:15

much further south. I know Brandon was

5:17

going to, I think it was the

5:19

Haunted America Conference, which was in

5:22

Illinois. And I thought about it.

5:24

I thought, oh, geez, I wonder if I could go down there

5:26

and bug him. So I thought, well, how much further could it

5:28

possible? Okay, that's another six hours. We're not doing that shit. There

5:31

is a limit. That's another UK.

5:33

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, not happening. I

5:38

will say though, Paul, this was well-timed

5:40

because when I was younger, I used to

5:42

do this quite a bit. I would take these

5:44

road trips. I remember my very first one was 2010. I

5:48

just got my driver's license and I took it really,

5:50

I won't get into the details of it, but a

5:52

lot of those stories I've told on

5:54

the show, you know, kind of had weird experiences on the

5:56

road and I used to love doing that shit. But

5:59

honestly, since I've been doing the show. So

6:01

since 2017, I haven't really been able to

6:03

do that. Because getting anywhere from

6:06

Victoria is kind of a pain in the

6:08

ass. And for a long time, especially after

6:11

my involvement in the small business that failed,

6:14

I just couldn't afford it. I couldn't

6:16

afford any kind of lengthy trip. And so this

6:18

was really cool because it was kind of like

6:20

returning to myself. It felt

6:23

like reconnecting with a part of myself that I really

6:25

quite liked, but just had sort of been cut

6:27

off from for a long time. And

6:30

it happened just at the

6:32

same time as I had a chance to

6:34

talk to the woman who sent in the

6:36

original Bumble Buzz story. Yeah. Yeah.

6:39

So that's 2018. And

6:42

so this episode is kind of like coming full circle

6:45

for me. It's kind of like putting, like ending

6:47

one era of Ghost Story guys and starting an

6:49

entirely new one. And so on

6:51

this episode, folks, you will get to hear not only

6:53

me and Paul answer your messages, but

6:55

after the midpoint, we will be

6:58

playing an interview with Ann and

7:00

Dee, who again, were the original

7:02

experiencers of Bumble Buzz. They're going to talk a little

7:04

bit about their experience, a little bit what life has

7:06

been like since then. And it's

7:08

just, again, we don't have many opportunities to

7:10

do that, to sort of follow up with our

7:12

contributors. So it's a, again, it's a very

7:14

cool episode. And I think, like I said,

7:16

this feels like drawing the line under

7:19

a particular part of my life. So

7:22

without any further ado, let's get to that

7:24

mail. Our courteous and efficient staff is on

7:27

call 24 hours a day to serve all

7:29

your supernatural elimination needs. We're ready to

7:31

believe you. James

7:33

Ridesfire, the medium of

7:35

Instagram. Hey, Brennan and Paul.

7:38

I love the show. And I

7:40

agree with Paul on Under Paris. I thought it

7:42

was a dark comedy, but I have a

7:44

story to share. But when my

7:46

mum got her at home office job, we

7:48

had to move her desk from the company

7:50

she'd been working at. Well, she

7:53

had to use the bathroom and said to

7:55

me whilst we were in the office, Stay

7:57

in the light. I did.

8:00

And not even five minutes after she'd left,

8:02

I saw a small shadow person duck

8:04

behind the wall in the dark, in

8:07

a meeting room, and then it

8:09

kept looking back. I then

8:11

saw someone in the boss's office moving about like

8:13

she was going about her day, just doing her

8:15

work. It's eleven

8:18

o'clock at night. It

8:20

saw me, I saw her, and

8:22

then she disappeared. When

8:25

I mentioned it to my mum, she said, oh

8:27

yeah, we've had an office ghost for about ten

8:29

years. Well,

8:32

a heads up would have been nice, mum. It's

8:37

not a good office if you don't have a ghost. Having

8:39

spent so long working with an office ghost, I'm

8:41

quite happy now I don't have one here. Well,

8:46

the one at my office doesn't live on my

8:48

floor, so I'm not really bothered. Oh,

8:50

really? So what have

8:52

people experienced? We've

8:54

got one that kind of, well, I'm

8:56

not sure if it's the same thing. It's got one

8:58

on the third floor that turns the lights on because

9:00

it's sensor lights. Okay,

9:03

yep. So if there's nobody there,

9:05

there's no light on, which

9:07

is weird because sometimes you'll get the lift. Obviously, we don't

9:10

have to go up to the top floor anymore. They've moved

9:12

the office around, so we've moved down to the second. But

9:15

sometimes you would get the lift

9:17

up and it would stop on the

9:20

third floor, but it would all be in

9:22

darkness. You'd be like, hang

9:24

on a minute. Well, why am I stopping here? Because

9:26

the only way you can stop here is if either I

9:28

press the floor or somebody on the floor presses the bell.

9:31

Oh. And so the doors would open and

9:33

there'd be nobody there. The

9:35

toilet doors would open and close by

9:37

themselves. They'd

9:40

lock, especially in the ladies' toilets

9:42

on the third floor. The

9:45

one on the fourth floor is

9:47

an overpowering smell of pipe tobacco.

9:49

Oh, interesting. And that's

9:52

only in a specific corner of the office. And

9:54

pipe tobacco is such a unique smell. Mm,

9:57

mm, absolutely. It's a no-smoking office.

10:00

the fourth floor. I can't remember

10:02

the last time I saw somebody smoking

10:04

a tobacco pipe anyway. Okay,

10:06

fair. I've seen a few pipes, but

10:08

not with tobacco in. Oh,

10:11

that's cool. No, I tried to think the last

10:13

time I saw someone smoking a pipe. I feel

10:15

like maybe I've seen hipsters do it on Instagram,

10:17

but that's probably about as close as I've gotten. Yeah.

10:20

One of my friends at school had one. Like

10:23

high school or college? High school. I think

10:25

he probably did it so people didn't bum a singer

10:28

out of him. Ah, that makes sense. You're not going to

10:30

go, let's have a sucky a pipe, mate. No, that's true.

10:32

Which I do, but it doesn't go down well. No, I

10:34

was going to say, if they do ask, you know they're

10:37

a serial killer. So. Well,

10:40

you can't be too careful when I grow up.

10:42

I believe it. Actually, did I tell you that

10:44

Nick has been watching this? She

10:46

loves medical programs. She has the strongest

10:48

stomach in the world. Nothing bothers her.

10:50

So she loves watching these ER programs

10:53

where people have got hit by 16 trucks

10:56

and their entire chest is sticking out of

10:58

them. She's

11:00

watching one in Barnsley. Yes, A&E,

11:02

after dark. Yeah, she is hooked

11:04

on it. She's probably trying

11:06

to understand what people are saying. She's

11:09

from the southwest. They

11:11

can more or less understand you guys. Oh, that's all

11:13

right then. Good. Because I think if somebody from the

11:15

southwest, nobody around here would understand what they were talking

11:17

about. She also

11:19

dated a guy from Sheffield before she met me. See,

11:22

they don't talk the same, Brennan. You've got

11:24

to be careful. Oh, really? Okay. So I'm

11:26

crossing cultural lines here. Yeah, I'm bilingual. I

11:29

can make myself understood in both Sheffield and

11:31

Barnsley. And it's quite funny because people in

11:33

Barnsley consider me what's called a DEDA, which

11:36

is what they call people from Sheffield. Because

11:38

they say, I do indeed. I

11:40

do in R8. I'm doing R8.

11:43

Whereas in Barnsley, they say, how are they

11:45

doing? Are they doing R8? So they call

11:47

each other disparaging names. So you have to

11:49

be able to converse slightly

11:52

differently, but in the same accent. Well,

11:54

see, this raises an interesting point, a

11:56

controversial point, Paul, because we just had

11:58

a comment on YouTube. calling

12:01

you out. You and your fake

12:03

English accent. This

12:05

comes from Lee. Lee says, Paul,

12:08

I'm just curious mate as to why you

12:10

are changing your accent by elongating your A

12:12

vowels. It sounds bizarre. You even pronounced William

12:14

Peter Blatty's name as Blartey recently. Please don't

12:16

think I'm having a go at you, bro.

12:18

I really enjoy listening to you guys. So

12:20

Lee is onto your shit, bestal. God

12:24

damn, I've been caught out. Oh man, good times. No,

12:33

I was being pointed out. I do

12:35

for some reason say grass and bath,

12:37

which I'm not, both work

12:39

with Ronny, he said grass and bath, but

12:41

I've always said Blartey because that's how

12:44

he pronounces his name, Blartey. I think

12:46

we forget how much accents can

12:48

be determined by just shit you pick up or

12:50

can be affected by things you pick up from

12:52

just the world. I've got a bunch of weird

12:54

American inflection in words I say.

12:57

Again, I did not grow up anywhere near

12:59

America. I didn't even go to America until

13:01

I was 19. It's

13:04

just probably shit I heard on television, but

13:06

it kind of percolates down

13:09

through your brain. When

13:11

I was a kid, I couldn't say Dracula.

13:13

What'd you say? Daracula. I

13:17

used to love Count Daracula.

13:20

That's amazing. He will forever be known

13:23

now as Count Daracula. So

13:28

yes, but what's wrong

13:30

with William Blartey? Not a

13:32

thing. So this next

13:35

one comes from Christina. Christina says,

13:37

I have lived in or within a few hours of

13:39

Philadelphia for over eight years now. In that

13:41

time I visited a place called the Mutter

13:44

Museum twice. It's known for displaying

13:46

exhibits related to the human body and medical

13:48

oddities. It is a really interesting museum

13:50

that I highly recommend for people who can dedicate two hours

13:52

of their visit in the city to it. There

13:55

is an entire wall of skulls, a collection

13:57

of foreign bodies inhaled by people, and

13:59

the tallest human skeleton in North America.

14:02

Plus lots of smaller pieces that I think can

14:04

connect with anyone and usually a rotating exhibit that is

14:07

interactive. I was lucky enough to see the exhibits

14:09

featuring the Soap Lady and the 1918 Spanish

14:11

Flu epidemic. However, the museum

14:13

always leaves me with a heavy feeling. I'm sure

14:16

it's related to the subject matter inside but

14:18

neither I nor anyone I know has been able

14:20

to stay longer than two hours. It just gets

14:22

too overwhelming. My second visit sticks with

14:24

me the most. My younger brother was

14:26

staying with me after graduating from high school a

14:28

semester early. I decided to take

14:30

him on a day trip to see the museum because we

14:32

both like weird things. In the basement

14:35

we saw a child's skeleton that had hydrocephalus,

14:37

water on the brain. The

14:39

child's skull looked three times bigger than it should have been and

14:41

it was the cause of their death. My

14:43

brother turns to me and said, that could have

14:45

been me. When he was an

14:47

infant he developed hydrocephalus as a result of

14:49

shaken baby syndrome caused by a hired caregiver. He

14:52

luckily survived and has lived a normal life with

14:54

no lasting damage but it was sobering to see

14:56

what a difference one hundred years of medical advancement

14:58

have made between life and death, especially for children.

15:01

We left soon after that and had a silent car ride home.

15:04

I wouldn't be surprised if the Mutter Museum turned out to

15:06

be haunted but mostly I think it just

15:09

leaves the living haunted by the pain of people from the

15:11

past. I'd love to hear a haunting

15:13

of Philadelphia episode if you could find enough stories.

15:15

It's such an old for the US and fascinating

15:17

city but I'm sure there's lots of

15:19

touristy BS mixed in with actual experiences. Keep

15:22

up the great work sincerely, Christina. Oh,

15:25

Christina, thank you for sharing that. It sounds

15:27

like a really heavy place. I'm curious. I'm

15:29

not much for medical oddities as I mentioned. My

15:32

wife has a very strong stomach. I don't for

15:34

that kind of stuff but I'm always up for –

15:38

sounds terrible. I'm always up for bones. I

15:40

find bones very interesting. I

15:43

know what you mean but yes, it's all in the phrasing, isn't

15:45

it? Yeah, that's it. That's it.

15:47

I didn't know much about it to be

15:49

honest and I've just been having a quick

15:52

chat there. I mean, why would

15:54

you not want to visit

15:56

a museum that is home to

15:58

a mega- a colon,

16:03

which held 40 pounds of feces at the

16:05

time of the original owner's death. Why would

16:07

you not want to see that? I

16:11

like strange things. I'm

16:14

very interested in that. Obviously, had

16:16

a deep love of paleontology and

16:19

archaeology over the years, so yeah, that kind

16:21

of place. I've never heard of it, I

16:23

have to be honest. It looks

16:25

right up my street, that. It sounds

16:27

cool. I haven't had a chance to check it out yet,

16:29

but it sounds like some place I'd want to check out.

16:31

I've always been curious to visit like those, sometimes

16:33

you'll see on the internet those ossuaries in

16:36

Eastern Europe, where everything is

16:38

made from bones. Again, I'm just fascinated by

16:40

that concept. I would love to see something

16:42

like that. The wall of skulls is

16:45

probably the closest I'll get for

16:47

the time being. I think Philadelphia is not that far

16:49

away. I've been there once, but only very briefly. I had

16:52

a very bougie cheesesteak sandwich. Philly

16:55

cheesesteak. This was

16:57

like the, again, the elevated version because the real

16:59

one is like frozen chipped beef with spray cheese,

17:01

and I have not had that one yet. The

17:04

one I had was solid. Yes,

17:07

Philadelphia. What a place. Incredible

17:09

musical history, and of course,

17:11

Rocky. Naturally. I love that they have, or

17:13

at least used to have a statue of

17:15

Rocky on the stairs, while they had also

17:18

had a very real boxer who had no

17:20

statue of. Yeah,

17:22

it was quite funny because my mum's just been to Salem,

17:25

so she's just sent me a bit, because

17:27

I asked her to take a picture

17:29

of the Elizabeth Montgomery statue they've got in Salem

17:31

there. Oh, cool. It's

17:33

fab. It's really nice. It's her sitting

17:36

on a broomstick inside a moon. Oh,

17:39

that's fantastic. You'll have to show me the picture

17:41

sometime. I will. I will send it to her

17:43

later. All right. Speaking of tourism.

17:46

Yes. Let's head to one

17:48

of the most notorious prisons in the world

17:51

as Yanna, one of our patrons, writes, we

17:54

went to Alcatraz on the night tour. I

17:57

don't know if I'm so dead inside, but I got

17:59

zero vibes of any kind there, despite

18:01

the bazillion reports of paranormal activity

18:03

over the decades. I

18:06

had anticipated some kind of negative

18:08

atmosphere, but nothing, zip. They

18:10

had really great docents who clearly have a

18:13

goal about educating folks on how the incarceration

18:15

of bike-pock, folks with mental

18:17

health struggles and poverty etc are

18:19

over-represented, past and current, less

18:22

of the Al Capone and Birdman story, so

18:24

I really appreciated that. The

18:26

cell block is actually a lot smaller than I thought.

18:29

I went into one of the six

18:31

whole solitary confinement rooms with the door

18:33

closed for about 14 seconds.

18:35

14 days

18:37

was the maximum they were to be

18:39

there, but that wasn't followed. Completely dark

18:42

and cold. We didn't end up

18:44

going to the Winchester House. Far

18:46

too time consuming and inexpensive to get

18:48

there. Ah well. Anyways, hope you and

18:50

Paul are well. Thanks for reading, Jana.

18:53

As for Alcatraz, I do think it's interesting, but I almost wonder, you know,

18:55

I mean, it hasn't been a prison for so

18:57

long. You know, you figure most of what's going to be

19:00

there, you've got, and you've got thousands,

19:02

probably maybe even millions of people coming through

19:04

every year. Past a certain point,

19:06

you almost wonder if these things just kind of run

19:08

their course. Yeah. I mean,

19:10

it's one of those things though, isn't it?

19:12

I mean, as with anything, as Jana said, she

19:15

goes there and doesn't feel anything, but it's

19:17

the expectation, I think, and this is the

19:19

thing about the paranormal is that it

19:22

doesn't do it on demand. And

19:24

I think it's that kind of place where

19:27

you've really got to sort of go

19:30

regularly, I would imagine, to

19:32

get a feel of it. I would imagine it's

19:34

a very different place at very different times of

19:36

the year and different times of day, and especially

19:39

because of its location

19:41

and the history around it. I don't

19:44

think you can't go into Alcatraz without

19:46

sort of having some preconceived ideas about

19:48

what may happen to you. That

19:51

is very true. I think it's one of those places it's just

19:53

so well known. Yeah, but brilliant.

19:55

I'm once again extremely jealous of somebody

19:58

else going somewhere great. So

20:01

thank you, Jana. So we have

20:03

a two for next. This will be

20:06

our final word on film soundtracks. I know

20:08

that conversation came up on our previous talk,

20:10

Spooky. Our patrons, Carrie and Kelly

20:12

both had some thoughts. So

20:14

Carrie says, I've been catching up on episodes after spending a

20:16

few weeks in Zambia with my wife and daughter. The

20:18

Braveheart soundtrack is an all-time favorite of

20:21

mine. Fuck Mel Gibson, but the soundtrack

20:23

is awesome. Kelly says, I know this

20:25

episode is a few weeks old, but I'm playing catch-up.

20:27

I have to say, Disney's Hercules has one of the

20:30

best soundtracks for a film, as well as

20:32

being a very underrated film. It's my second

20:34

favorite Disney film. So Carrie,

20:36

I have to agree. I think

20:39

James Horner did Braveheart. And

20:43

I almost feel like he never did

20:45

better than Braveheart and Titanic. I think

20:47

he sort of peaked, especially

20:50

with Braveheart. And I feel like a

20:52

lot of the stuff he's done since then has been kind of derivative

20:54

of that. But yeah, Braveheart has a stellar

20:56

soundtrack. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's one of

20:58

those, as we were talking about the other, I

21:01

think we mentioned the film the other day, I think the

21:03

soundtrack to The Last Mohicans and Braveheart are very similar. They're

21:06

very stirring and passionate and powerful

21:08

and beautiful pieces of

21:10

work. And

21:13

kind of encapsulate everything about that film and

21:15

what it's trying to convey

21:17

to us. They're beautiful soundtracks.

21:20

So yeah, excellent. And

21:22

Kelly, I haven't seen Hercules in

21:24

years. I actually don't remember much about it, other

21:27

than it being the last good thing James Woods

21:29

did before he went insane. I remember when he

21:31

started following me on Twitter years ago. It was

21:33

a bit weird. Oh man, you have my sympathies.

21:37

I didn't realize how far down the

21:39

rabbit hole he'd fallen. Yeah, I

21:41

remember when I went to see White House Down in

21:43

2012, which I really like. I think White House Down

21:46

is great, way better than London has, or Olympus has

21:48

fallen. But he

21:50

played a villain in it. I was like, oh shit, James

21:52

Woods, I haven't seen this guy in anything for ages. I

21:54

wonder why. Google James Woods, oh

21:57

that's why. Okay, well never

21:59

mind. Never mind. And,

22:02

uh, Kelly, when, originally when I read this out

22:04

loud, I thought for some reason my brain swapped

22:06

to Hercules for Tarzan, and I was all about

22:08

to wax philosophical about how great the song You'll

22:10

Be In My Heart is, so I

22:13

don't know what happened there, but folks, if you haven't heard

22:15

Phil Collins sing You'll Be In My Heart, you're missing out.

22:18

The King. Truth. Ben

22:20

writes, hey, Brian Paul. Long

22:23

time listener here, hearing Luke talk about

22:25

his hometown on Luke Law finally convinced

22:27

me to share my own story. Before

22:31

this, my only correspondence has

22:33

been Clamata related. I

22:35

used to live in Ormskirk, Lancashire,

22:37

a town in which Derek Okora,

22:39

bless Derek, Derek Okora once

22:41

called the most haunted town in England.

22:44

Take this information with as big a pinch

22:47

of salt as deemed necessary. It's

22:49

a very big pinch, Ben. In

22:51

my second year of university, I moved

22:54

into a seemingly nice house off campus.

22:56

It was newly renovated, with spacious rooms

22:58

and a great location. The

23:01

landlord wasn't the nicest, and the house started to fall

23:03

apart after the first month of living there, but

23:06

that's to be expected with student houses. It

23:08

certainly is, Ben. Initially,

23:10

everything was fine, but soon strange

23:12

things started to happen. One

23:16

night around 4am, I was up late watching

23:18

TV. As I was

23:20

about to go to bed, I heard two men

23:22

talking outside my door. Their

23:24

voices were unfamiliar and unsettling.

23:27

I lay in bed for ten minutes trying to place

23:29

the voices, but came up blank. The

23:32

conversation continued, though, calm and

23:34

indistinct. My curiosity got

23:36

the better of me, so I opened the door and

23:39

found no one there. The

23:42

voices stopped abruptly, leaving an eerie

23:44

silence. I lived

23:46

with four girls and one other guy, whose room was on

23:48

the ground floor. None of their

23:50

male friends had been over that evening, and

23:52

they weren't having a night drinking, so they wouldn't

23:54

have been making noise at that time. My

23:57

room was at the end of a long corridor,

23:59

isolated and empty. above the kitchen. Strange

24:01

place for a conversation. The

24:04

house was at the end of a terrace, and

24:06

our elderly neighbours housed in Tixtent as far back

24:08

as ours. Furthermore, I

24:11

was the resident night owl of the house and was

24:13

normally up later than all of my housemates, unless they

24:15

were having a night out. Another

24:18

unnerving event happened during the Christmas

24:20

break. Most of my flatmates

24:22

had gone home for the season, but I stayed

24:24

behind later than most of them. One

24:27

night my housemate Shara and I were

24:29

downstairs watching Educating Yorkshire, when

24:31

I heard something slowly rolling down the

24:33

landing, above us. The

24:36

sound seemed to go on forever, followed

24:38

by deliberate footsteps descending the

24:40

stairs. We froze,

24:43

staring at each other in terror, waiting

24:45

for whatever was moving towards us to

24:47

reach the living room that we were

24:49

currently inhabiting. Eventually,

24:51

I mustered the courage to investigate, but

24:53

once again found nothing. A

24:56

house was empty aside from us. After

25:00

Christmas break, the events of that night were still

25:02

fresh in both mine and Shana's heads. We'd

25:04

asked our flatmates if anything in their room

25:07

had been moved or fallen off a surface whilst they'd

25:09

been on break, but apparently nothing

25:11

seemed out of place. However,

25:14

we learned that our other housemates had experienced

25:16

strange noises too, like the footsteps

25:18

on the staircases and something rolling

25:20

around on their bedroom doors. One

25:24

friend who didn't actually live at the house even saw

25:26

a shape run from the back gate towards the kitchen

25:29

window and then vanish. Everyone

25:32

was relieved to move out. Despite its

25:34

nice appearance, the house had a serious

25:36

damp problem and leaked during heavy rain.

25:39

Which, if you know anything about the

25:41

north-west of England, heavy rain is the

25:44

region's signature weather event. Initially

25:47

I thought these experiences might have been

25:49

mould related, but the paranormal events were

25:51

too consistent to ignore. My

25:53

next place had its odd moments, but nothing

25:55

compared with the eerie occurrences in that second

25:58

year house. for

26:00

taking the time to read my experience. I

26:02

have a few more around the time working in cinemas

26:05

and a short trip to Mexico a few years back

26:07

and I'll be sure to write up in due course.

26:10

I absolutely adore the dynamic banter between you

26:12

two and would like to thank you so

26:14

much for creating such a lovely community and

26:16

show. Keep up the fantastic work.

26:18

All the best. Ben. Well

26:21

Ben, thank you for the kind words. Again, we're honoured

26:23

to have the community we have. We're

26:25

really grateful that you guys enjoy what we do

26:27

and we love hearing from

26:29

you. That actually reminded me, Paul, Ben's

26:32

experience reminded me of a story from way,

26:34

way back in

26:36

the episode, The Forest is Trying to Kill

26:38

You. I want to say it's like 30 something.

26:41

It's like 2018. But

26:43

we had a similar story where a woman was

26:45

hearing, she was visiting her in-laws and

26:48

she was hearing people outside but

26:50

there was no one there. I know I've

26:52

said this a million times in the show before but I've had

26:54

that experience as well. I remember being in bed with Nick and

26:57

hearing what sounded like two teenage girls discussing

26:59

the movies on my shelf across

27:02

on the other side of the wall in the living room. I

27:04

mean, it's one of those things that I don't think

27:06

we talk about there. Ben raises a very interesting aspect

27:08

of strange houses because

27:11

I'm not sure what it's like in the US. I

27:14

know a lot of people live off campus when

27:16

they go to a college and such like but

27:18

here in the UK, the general consensus is a

27:21

lot of people try to live in resident

27:23

halls the first year and

27:26

then they meet people and then they all move

27:29

out and get shared houses all over. I mean,

27:31

there are certain parts of Sheffield which are essentially

27:33

near enough all

27:36

student housing. You

27:38

just think that you think of all

27:41

the years, how many people obviously, as Ben

27:43

was saying there, how long ago that was.

27:45

There's six people living in that house and they stayed

27:47

in it for a year. So, there were

27:49

six people who must have lived in it before and there must have

27:52

been six people who lived in it afterwards and

27:54

you just think how many people, how much emotion

27:58

and living? in

28:00

a particular space. Do these

28:02

houses happen? Because people don't stay in them

28:04

too long, how many

28:07

strange, haunted student homes are we

28:09

unaware of because people just kind

28:11

of move on? It's

28:13

hard to have consistent experiences when no one

28:16

stays for more than a few months at

28:18

a time. And he does mention

28:20

as well the mould thing. This is one

28:22

of those things that people often bring up

28:24

as an explanation as to why

28:26

people see ghosts and things. If

28:28

you have a mould infestation in your

28:31

home that is causing you to

28:33

hallucinate, you do not

28:35

just hallucinate, you will be near

28:38

enough bedridden because

28:40

the hallucinations are towards

28:42

the latter part of the bacterial

28:45

infection that will have made

28:47

itself at home inside your lungs due

28:50

to this. And so you will suffer from

28:52

chronic fatigue, migraines, constant

28:55

pain, loss of appetite,

28:58

all kinds of things as well as hallucinations.

29:00

So whenever you hear a sceptic say, well

29:02

it must be down to black mould, they're

29:05

completely ignoring all the

29:07

other effects of that.

29:10

So when somebody says, well I lived in this house, oh

29:12

well there's black mould here and I

29:14

keep seeing ghosts and people say, oh well it's the black

29:16

mould that's making you hallucinate. No, no,

29:19

no it's not. I know someone

29:21

who volunteered for an organization that was

29:23

headquartered in the Victoria and

29:27

they had to leave because it

29:29

was discovered that the walls in their part

29:31

of the building were riven with

29:33

black mould. But not one of them

29:35

ever talked about seeing ghosts and those poor

29:37

bastards have been working there for a long time.

29:39

It took a while to remediate that space. And

29:42

like I say, not a single one of them ever

29:44

talked about seeing Casper or

29:46

Beetlejuice. They were just, boy we feel

29:48

like shit all the time. Exactly.

29:51

You feel crap. It makes you feel

29:53

really, really, really ill. And

29:55

hallucinations. It's one of those things. It's like

29:58

marijuana, alcohol. whole mould.

30:01

Hallucinations are at the finite

30:04

point of that experience

30:07

before you start seeing things at that

30:09

level. Next,

30:11

we'll be saying bears can pick things up

30:13

and throw them when they're trying to sort

30:15

of explain away certain things, won't they? Give

30:17

it time. Give it time. Don't

30:22

you start picking on your friend again. Danny,

30:26

he knows what he did. Actually,

30:28

I see that Morgan Knitson was on an

30:30

episode of Uncanny. Yes. Yes,

30:33

she was. That's very cool. Absolutely.

30:35

Absolutely. It was lovely.

30:37

I know it was a bit of a secret

30:39

and she didn't want to say anything until it

30:41

was launched, was it? She's obviously done it fairly

30:43

recently. It's been good. Lyle Blackburn was on the

30:46

other week. They've joined with the enemy. Kidding

30:49

of course, guys. I really like Danny Robin's work. I'm

30:51

just being a dick. More

30:54

around my Danny. Fight me. Wait,

30:59

I think you've got more chance of fighting Danny than

31:01

Evelyn. I think Evelyn will kick your ass,

31:03

mate. The

31:05

only way I can fight anyone, Paul, is if I get the drop on

31:07

them and by that I mean they're asleep and I have a bat. Don't

31:11

start a fight with an intellectual woman from Edinburgh, mate. I

31:14

wouldn't start a fight with anybody from Edinburgh. I know better.

31:17

I've seen Trainspotting. Yes, exactly. I

31:20

haven't been in a fight since I was like 10, so

31:22

that's maybe 12. Long

31:25

time. What I learned, Paul, is I don't like getting hit in

31:27

the face. All right, so

31:30

we have one more email and then we're

31:32

going to cut to our interview with Anna

31:34

and Dee, of course, the original Bumble Buzz

31:36

Experiencers. Our last message

31:38

comes from our patron, Athanasia.

31:41

This one's for Paul. I'm

31:44

sure Paul is familiar with him, but oh, okay, so

31:46

this is actually asking me. I misread that. I'm

31:48

sure Paul is familiar with him, but, Bren, thoughts

31:50

on Dr. Greer and his CE5 protocol. I've

31:53

never been wanting to buy into UFO theories or conspiracies,

31:55

but I find his work to be incredibly compelling, especially

31:57

in regards to his lost century info. Uh,

32:02

so we don't have a legal team so I don't know exactly how

32:04

much I can say. I know I can say that I want to

32:06

fight Danny Robbins because I don't actually want to fight Danny Robbins and

32:08

Danny Robbins doesn't give a shit about us. However,

32:11

certain other people are not mentioning

32:13

any names. I think

32:15

are bullshit hucksters. Every

32:17

word out of their mouths is a lie. Every

32:19

piece of evidence is a fabrication. Just

32:22

in general, I'm not referring to any one person. I

32:24

wouldn't trust these people, these

32:27

hypothetical people I'm referring to as far as I could sling

32:29

a piano. The

32:31

only enjoyment I ever get from these hypothetical

32:33

people is watching them cry. They

32:36

cry almost as much as Jordan Peterson, I'm given to

32:38

understand. Uh,

32:41

yeah. So though I

32:43

don't know who you're referring to with Anzia,

32:45

I certainly am not familiar with the work

32:47

of this Dr. Griehrer. If

32:50

I were to be asked my opinion about a

32:52

similar figure, a figure

32:54

I've just made up in my head

32:56

who bears, we'll call him Dr. Jeevan

32:58

Briehrer. I do not buy

33:01

a single solitary thing they have produced. Paul,

33:03

what are your thoughts? I have no

33:05

comment to make on Dr. Stephen Griehrer. Okay. Yeah,

33:08

there we go. Me either. Like I

33:10

don't know the man. I just know Dr. Briehvan Gier or whatever the fuck

33:12

I said his name was. I don't know much about the UFO

33:14

world, Paul, but I know that. With

33:17

that, we're going to bring the email portion of the program

33:19

to a close. Thank you to everyone who wrote in. We

33:21

had more, but we just, we ran out of time because

33:23

obviously we want to get, we want to be

33:25

able to fit in our interview with Anna and Dee.

33:29

If you want to get in touch,

33:31

send us a message, ghoststoryguys@gmail.com. You can

33:33

also fill out the form on our

33:35

website at ghoststoryguys.com. We're going

33:37

to take a quick break and

33:39

then we'll be back with our follow-up on

33:41

the Bumble Buzz story. Before we do

33:43

that though, folks, I just want to say you're going to

33:45

hear an interview with Anna and Dee. These are not their real

33:48

names. At several points during the

33:50

interview, Anna accidentally refers to Dee by his

33:52

real name. So you'll hear bleeps

33:54

when that happens. There's also a

33:56

lot of background noise, just unavoidable. So

33:58

there's some dogs barking. And there's a

34:00

completely baffling sort of tinkling sound that

34:02

wasn't in the room at the time.

34:05

I have no idea what was going on. But yes, so

34:08

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Welcome back. As

36:35

I said before the break, I am

36:37

here with two very special guests. If

36:40

you've listened to our last episode, episode

36:42

191, Dial E for Exorcist, you

36:45

will have heard the story of Bumble Buzz. Bumble

36:47

Buzz of course is one of the most well-known stories from

36:50

Ghost Story Guys and

36:52

we're lucky enough to be back in touch with the original

36:54

experiences and they are here to talk about Bumble Buzz.

36:59

And how things have been in the time since then.

37:01

And this is really a first for Ghost Story Guys.

37:03

I don't know that we've ever spoken to experiences like

37:05

this. So

37:07

I'm very, very excited to have you here. And

37:10

of course their names are Ann and Dee. Guys,

37:13

welcome to the Ghost Story Guys. Thank you.

37:15

Yeah. We were kind of shocked

37:17

it was like a fan

37:19

favorite. And so I think I reached out like maybe

37:21

two years ago to be like, if you want to

37:23

follow up when he's older, because

37:26

Dee you're 11 and a half now.

37:28

You know, I feel like it's good to

37:31

let kids have a chance to grow and see

37:33

what they remember, but

37:35

also kind of have enough agency on their own to

37:38

be like, do I want to do this? Is

37:40

this something that you just told me about? Or

37:42

do I actually remember this experience? I

37:45

played him the episode because

37:47

he asked to hear it this week. So he

37:49

has heard it. So he might, you know, be

37:52

remembering what he listened to, but

37:54

when we talked about it, you described

37:56

Bumble Buzz to me. in

38:00

a way that you've never talked to him, I

38:02

didn't know then. Why

38:04

don't you tell Brennan how you remember

38:06

what he looked like and describe

38:09

what it was like to see bumble buzz?

38:11

Because that's not something I include in the

38:13

story, because honestly, at two, you didn't tell

38:16

me much other than bumble buzz hurts me.

38:19

Well, how I would describe it

38:21

is like a silhouette of a person, but

38:24

like a really tall person. Six

38:27

feet, I'd say. Six. So

38:29

I'm almost six feet. How in

38:32

relation to me, what would you say? I'd

38:34

say if they were sitting down there, you

38:36

should be like up here. To

38:38

like 10 inches above me? No, like

38:41

six inches above you. Okay. What else

38:43

do you remember? I don't

38:45

think they walked. I think

38:47

they like did a hovering motion. Okay.

38:50

So they didn't really move so much. It was

38:52

just when you saw them, they were kind of

38:55

in one place. Yeah. Interesting. Do

38:57

you remember the shaman? A bit. I

38:59

remember. I have a hard time even remembering it.

39:02

I remember what he did. Okay. So

39:05

basically what it is like,

39:08

he came up, he had the save, put

39:10

it around the room, and then

39:12

we went to the backyard and he gave me

39:15

the, I think the crystal in

39:17

the backyard, right? Yeah. And

39:19

then, yeah, I went missing like in the

39:21

story. Mm-hmm. Do you remember

39:23

your preschool teacher being there? No,

39:26

I don't think so. Yeah, she kind of stayed in

39:28

the background. She held the baby for me while all

39:30

this happened. Your younger sister was,

39:33

gosh, maybe four months

39:35

old, like really little. What

39:39

I remember most about in these

39:42

experiences was that he

39:44

would have these tantrums that were

39:46

literally our neighbors would come out.

39:49

Now you're old. We have three kids and his older

39:52

sisters, you know, I hate to like

39:54

make you feel like a bad brother, but she's

39:56

a very well-behaved kid. Like we never had, we

39:58

had tantrums for a long time. a

40:00

brief window of her development. But **** were

40:03

these kind where he was writhing

40:05

on the floor and screaming and

40:08

kind of just like curling up in a ball,

40:10

hitting his head on the cement. And

40:12

it just got really worrisome because there

40:14

was just like no way

40:17

to calm him down. And he started

40:19

saying something about pinching and

40:22

something about bumble buzz.

40:24

And at first in my mind, I thought he's

40:27

either been stung by a bee or

40:30

he's seen people on

40:32

TV or whatever, you know, kids seen

40:35

bees sting you and they buzz. But

40:37

this was insistent. And

40:39

then he started talking as if it

40:41

was like a person there. And the other

40:44

thing I really remember was just constantly

40:47

saying there was people in his room

40:49

and it was a variety of different

40:51

people. It wasn't. Oh,

40:53

there was only one person who you described

40:56

as continually coming back was

40:58

a skeleton man. And

41:00

that was a little freaky. I mean,

41:02

I know you'd seen The Nightmare Before

41:04

Christmas. So there's that like, could it

41:07

be the crossover of Jack Skeleton? I

41:09

mean, like that's the only movie I'd

41:11

seen. Yeah. Besides, like Toy

41:13

Story and Cars. And

41:16

you just, the way you talked about him was

41:18

that he would come to your bed at night

41:20

and like crouch down and talk to you. And

41:23

that was really scary. Yeah,

41:25

no kidding. Yeah. So. And did you ever

41:28

worry that maybe there was someone in the

41:30

house or getting into the house? Well,

41:32

funny enough, like we were just telling our relatives who

41:34

were visiting right now and we had to tell them

41:36

like, we're going to be doing this podcast in your

41:38

guest room, by the way, and it's a ghost. And

41:42

I was telling the story of

41:44

how when those binkies appeared and

41:46

the crystal appeared, and then I don't

41:48

think you included it in the original

41:51

podcast or maybe you did when his

41:53

satchel came back. I really

41:55

had moments where I was like, is this

41:57

guy, is this all like a big hoax

41:59

or a big. big scam. He never asked

42:01

for money. But I was like, is

42:03

he coming back into our house? Somehow it

42:06

wasn't a very secure house. It just had,

42:08

you know, standard single locks. Like,

42:10

is he somehow coming back in and like planting these

42:12

things and then he's gonna like, oh

42:14

yeah, that's the ghost. That's, you know, there was

42:17

this moment where I was like, is this all

42:19

a very good ruse? And

42:21

then, you know, I knew he lived up

42:23

in far northern California,

42:25

like up in the Mount Shasta

42:27

areas, I believe, like, or past,

42:30

like kind of past Geyserville, I

42:33

think. So I knew

42:35

that would be quite the

42:37

journey. And also he never

42:39

asked for money. He

42:41

seemed very sincere in wanting to

42:43

help D. And then also he

42:45

was very, you know, it seemed

42:48

to work, right? Like it didn't seem like

42:50

there was a few days after he came that that

42:54

tumultuous sound, that

42:56

there was also something very

42:58

creepy that happened that I don't

43:00

know if I felt like I sent you guys

43:02

an email 20 pages long. And I was like,

43:05

you know, when sometimes when the story gets too much,

43:07

like you go like, okay, lady, you're pulling my chain.

43:11

But other than that, back

43:13

to my original point, it seemed whatever he did

43:15

worked after about a

43:17

period of a week. And

43:22

in terms of like thinking something

43:24

like a person breaking it breaking

43:26

in, I had

43:28

talked to a pet psychic at one

43:30

point for our cat, our cat had

43:32

gone missing. And this is before

43:34

your dad and I became

43:36

parents. And our cat went missing. And

43:39

the pet psychic

43:42

warned me that there was a

43:44

shadow thing trying to get into

43:47

our house. So it's kind

43:49

of interesting that you frame it as somebody breaking

43:51

in. And I just kind of

43:53

always was like, oh, you want to say something

43:55

sweet? That's kind of interesting. Because like how I

43:58

described bumble buzz was like a silhouette. kind

44:00

of thing. Yeah. And

44:02

she described it as this very

44:04

immature entity that really wasn't like

44:07

a human spirit. She said it was

44:09

a like a shadowy dark

44:11

thing that just lurked around our house.

44:14

But not like she kind of said like it wasn't

44:16

very sophisticated. Well, I mean, is

44:19

how she put it. I want to say pinching

44:21

is mature. So yeah, that's not very mature. Is

44:23

it to target a little child and pinch?

44:26

Yeah, you're right. So, you

44:28

know, it could have been that thing

44:30

from all those maybe two, three years

44:32

before you guys were in our lives.

44:35

And it's one of those

44:37

other weird things that happened that I was like,

44:39

huh, our cat Clover

44:41

went missing on 4th of July weekend,

44:43

of course, the fireworks, and we

44:45

just couldn't find him. And I just was like, you

44:47

know what, I'm going to call one of

44:49

those pet psychics and see what I can find out.

44:52

So yeah. If one of my cats went missing, I would do anything

44:54

I could to get him back too. Yeah, he did come

44:56

back. He did come back. Oh, good. Yeah. Now

45:00

we don't have the cat anymore. Yeah, he

45:02

passed away. I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah,

45:05

he's a good cat. I like to think they're all good cats.

45:07

Yeah. Well, I mean, and

45:09

being in the skeptic mind too, he was

45:11

a black cat. So when she said this,

45:13

and he was a kitten, wouldn't you? I

45:15

was like, okay, young, immature male, black shadow

45:17

cat. Sure. That made me just

45:19

talk about my cat, right? Anyhow. And

45:22

I've actually, I don't know if you recall from your time

45:24

listening to the show, but I've also seen those shadowed

45:27

men. Yeah, you talked about it when you

45:29

were a kid, right? Or do you still

45:31

see them? No, actually, I saw,

45:33

I was touched by one when

45:35

I first started researching my book.

45:37

Oh, wow. Yeah, I woke

45:39

up in the morning. It was next to my

45:41

bed. It was a beautiful sunny morning. And

45:44

before I could move it, it fell across me in

45:46

bed and I felt this electricity

45:48

shoot throughout my entire body. And

45:51

yeah, and I had my own shaman experience

45:53

that finally cleared it. I

45:55

won't go into it, but yeah,

45:57

so when I read your email, it hit

46:00

a lot of familiar points with me.

46:02

And that's why I was very interested to

46:05

share it. Again, I think it's why it resonated so

46:07

much on the show because it connects, I think, so

46:09

much with other real

46:11

life experiences we've talked about. Yeah, it

46:13

was, I mean, it felt, it didn't

46:15

feel like amateur hour when it happened.

46:17

You know, when he showed up and

46:20

he has the coolest name and

46:22

he did look like he was some kind

46:24

of Jedi who just showed up. I

46:27

mean, he was very fit. He was tall. I would say he

46:29

was like in his mid

46:33

fifties. He came with, you know,

46:35

like a fanny pack of items and then

46:37

a bag of items. And

46:40

it just felt like,

46:42

okay, this guy's going to take care of this.

46:44

And you know, that was honestly my

46:47

goal as a mom was not to

46:49

prove the paranormal. It was to make

46:51

this little guy here feel safe in

46:53

the house. Also,

46:56

I mean, in a way, like I don't

46:58

like dealing with tantrums. I'm not the best

47:00

at it. So I was like, I'd like

47:02

this to stop, right? But it

47:04

was really it was hard because you were

47:06

experiencing things constantly. And then there was a

47:08

few times where I thought I saw things

47:11

with him and he would just say these

47:13

things that this like kind of confirmed it.

47:16

Like that time we you don't remember it, but

47:18

I told you about it. There was I was

47:20

giving him a bath. And I

47:22

saw what looks like the silhouette

47:24

but also I could kind of make out a little

47:26

bit of an outfit of a little boy leading into

47:29

our bathroom to look in. Oh, watch

47:31

me towards Yeah, watching me give him this

47:33

bath. And I went, Did you see that?

47:35

And he went, Oh, it's okay.

47:38

He likes to watch us all the time. And I

47:40

was like, Yeah,

47:43

yeah. So I

47:45

do remember things like that. And

47:47

I do remember you just

47:50

kind of always getting

47:52

upset with with things that

47:54

we couldn't see. It

47:57

was more based out of I really want him to

47:59

be able to feel okay

48:02

and also if you were having

48:04

psychosis like make sure we

48:06

addressed it before you got

48:08

older and try to find out whatever but

48:11

you weren't you're fine I don't think

48:13

the nightmare before Christmas was even the

48:15

scariest thing I saw before that. Really?

48:17

Yeah. You remember

48:19

scarier movies? Yeah one that's

48:22

you know the ending to

48:24

Darby O'Gill. Oh

48:26

yeah have you seen Darby O'Gill and the Little

48:28

People? I'm familiar with it but I haven't seen it. Oh

48:31

that at the end of the film

48:33

the Banshee comes and it's actually really

48:35

effective special effects from the 1950s of this this

48:39

you know death figure woman.

48:42

It's worth watching it's actually I

48:44

think one of the best Disney films

48:47

but in the end she comes to

48:49

claim the daughter of Darby O'Gill the

48:51

Banshee and they use this like

48:53

upper lighting and these like weird chroma

48:55

effects from back then so she grows

48:58

like green and she's in this death

49:00

cape. Yeah you'd

49:02

seen that that's true that's fair. Yeah.

49:05

Out of curiosity did the shaman talk

49:07

much about what was happening

49:09

in terms of or his interpretation of

49:12

what was happening because obviously we talked

49:14

about bumble buzz but it sounds like there were more

49:16

things there as well does did

49:18

he have any any sort of thoughts or did he express

49:20

any thoughts as to why this was happening or what was

49:22

happening? I think the

49:25

only thing he said was really you

49:27

know like he really reassured me it

49:29

was more about this guy and his

49:32

because you know we had two other

49:34

small kids something about was

49:38

getting these things attention and then

49:41

the other thing

49:43

he said was that he he he

49:46

walked around the house and he put

49:48

cornmeal and tobacco so he made like

49:50

a barrier and that was that

49:52

was the one creepy thing that I don't

49:55

think I included because I just felt

49:57

like I'm running off the mouth at you

49:59

guys. But when we

50:01

left the house, we

50:05

had this long driveway that ended

50:07

on the sidewalk on the street. And directly

50:10

across the street was our neighbor's really tall

50:12

oak tree. And Dee here

50:15

would be like, Mom, that thing

50:17

that was in our basement is in that tree

50:19

watching us. Oh,

50:21

wow. And it was, it just made all of

50:24

us have the chills because it was like, as

50:26

if it knew that's where the line is. And

50:29

it could still see. And

50:32

I remember another time I drove his sister

50:34

to school. She was

50:36

in kindergarten. And that school

50:38

wasn't far from our house. And where

50:41

you park is a row of tall

50:43

eucalyptus trees. And again, yeah,

50:45

you remember that hill. He

50:48

wouldn't, he didn't want to get

50:50

out of the car because he said that he

50:52

called it the cat raccoon. He said

50:54

the cat raccoons in the tree watching us. And

50:57

you guys thought there was a cat

50:59

raccoon downstairs. Right. That whole part of

51:01

the exorcism, if you

51:04

will, was that really

51:06

creepy moment. And I

51:08

was just telling my relatives about it, how

51:10

the neighbors who came over, I didn't

51:13

tell them it was that there

51:15

could be a like demon shadow entity

51:17

that I also meet them to deal with.

51:20

Because I didn't want to sound crazy. So

51:23

they were really under the belief it was

51:25

a raccoon or a cat. So when they

51:27

were started being like, what is that thing?

51:30

I mean, I was like, I want

51:32

to get out of here. But oh,

51:34

my God, I've put my neighbors in

51:36

a dangerous situation, possibly. And

51:39

also like, I mean, how

51:41

they were talking about how when

51:43

they're like saying it's huge, what the hell is that thing? It's

51:45

walking around on its hind legs. I

51:48

mean, I was like, what

51:50

are they seeing? This is terrifying.

51:55

But also kind of verified, right? But

51:57

then this cat like jump out.

52:00

was made it all the more confusing

52:02

because it was like, yeah, I guess

52:04

cats can stand up on their legs

52:06

and be scratching with their hind legs.

52:08

But would they be walking? Yeah, but

52:10

would they be walking? And

52:12

also, when

52:14

I described the basement to our relatives,

52:16

I was telling them that all the

52:19

cabinets were at ceiling height. There

52:22

was some on the bottom, but those ones

52:24

didn't open because of water damage. The wood

52:27

had swollen, so you couldn't pull the

52:29

cabinet doors open. But the top

52:31

ones, obviously, they worked. And those

52:34

were the ones that we heard just

52:36

opening and closing and banging and banging

52:38

and banging. And so I go, like,

52:40

what kind of cat has opposable

52:43

thumbs and opens

52:45

cabinets? Yeah, so that

52:48

was, I go, like, to your original

52:50

question, the shaman said

52:53

sometimes these things just show up in somebody's life.

52:56

The other interesting thing, so

52:59

we were the only second owners of the home. If

53:02

you look at the geography of where the

53:04

house is, it's a very nice spot if

53:06

you want to look down at the big

53:08

Bay Area water feature. So,

53:10

you know, I could see it being a nice

53:12

location for past cultures. But

53:15

what was weird was, in our basement,

53:18

there was a very worn

53:21

out old mortar and

53:24

pestle. Made out

53:26

of a standard granite, you

53:28

know, small rock boulder. I

53:31

never took it out. I was kind

53:33

of like, I don't know why this is here. It was

53:35

a dugout dirt basement in the back.

53:37

You know, I always wondered, did they find it?

53:39

The previous owners, when they dug this out and

53:41

just decided to leave it. So

53:43

I kind of wonder if that was part of why

53:46

we were experiencing these

53:49

things, did something to do with the land

53:51

before us. Just where

53:53

the house was, draw those

53:56

kind of energies. He

53:58

never really said we were like a portal. or a

54:00

d*** who was like

54:02

special energy child especially. It

54:05

just was more like they were drawn to him

54:07

and he could see them for whatever reasons.

54:11

Adam L Okay.

54:30

So this happened about the mid

54:33

2017 I believe.

54:35

I'd have to go back and look. So

54:38

then we sold the house in 2021 but

54:40

no we never had any weird experiences after

54:42

that. I do

54:44

feel like we could never

54:46

make progress in the house. Like we could never like

54:48

get the house fixed up and looking

54:50

like the way we wanted. It just didn't feel

54:53

homey and I

54:56

don't know. I feel like

54:58

you too, you became

55:00

more able to

55:02

kind of control your emotions. Your tantrums

55:04

weren't bad. You never

55:07

talked about him. There was I will say

55:09

this though. He would not he would

55:12

not go anywhere without that crystal for

55:14

about three months and you'd have

55:16

to sleep with it. And

55:18

then again just like how the shaman

55:20

came and when our life the crystal

55:22

disappeared and like when you were

55:25

not needing it anymore. So

55:28

that was very interesting to me too. He

55:30

also gave you a really cool necklace with

55:33

a little pouch on it and one day you just lost

55:35

it and at first I was kind of like oh god

55:37

we got to look everywhere for it and then I just

55:40

said he seems fine without it. I'm just gonna let

55:42

this go because you know kids can lose stuff and

55:44

then you never find it and they're very upset with

55:46

you for a long time that you

55:48

didn't do your darndest to make it come back. So

55:50

I was like well if he's not gonna mention it

55:53

I'm not bringing it up. So

55:55

right but yeah I don't

55:57

know if you remember that but you would take your crystal

56:00

and your satchel everywhere with you. To

56:03

the park. To the park, to school. Yeah,

56:06

and that's probably how it got lost, to be honest. It's

56:08

almost like with these things though, we have

56:11

them as long as we need them. Yeah, yeah.

56:13

And I do remember there

56:15

was a period

56:18

of time where a d*** would

56:20

go. He'd be like

56:22

four, four-ish, and he'd love to

56:24

walk up to other kids and be like, I can

56:26

see ghosts, do you see ghosts? And I was like,

56:28

shh. That's

56:31

not how we win friends at the park. This

56:33

is true. It also doesn't work as adults.

56:35

So that's true. No, no, that's true. As I've

56:37

learned. But it was really cute. We had,

56:40

and one funny experience was we were

56:42

in a park with this family that was

56:45

clearly very religious. And

56:47

so the girls felt it with their duty to

56:49

report to me, these little group of girls that

56:51

my son was kind of spewing blasphemy that he

56:53

could see dead people. Oh no.

56:55

Yeah, that was really, that was a fun experience.

56:59

Before we wind up, I just want to

57:01

go quickly back to the cat raccoon.

57:03

How long after the shaman's

57:06

arrival did that happen? So

57:09

he came, he did his thing for

57:11

like, you know, a few hours, and then

57:13

the next few nights we had those sounds in the

57:16

basement. And then I think it was the

57:18

third night we discovered the cat in

57:20

the basement. And then the next

57:22

four or five days was

57:25

him constantly telling me, it's watching us,

57:28

it's watching us in the trees. And

57:30

then it stopped. Because I

57:33

did call the shaman, I did say like, would

57:35

this be sort of a thing

57:37

that could happen where it's going

57:40

to lurk around? And he did say, yeah,

57:42

it's going to try to, it's

57:44

not going to be happy that we got rid of

57:46

it. I mean, I just remember

57:48

like one experience of really being like, this

57:50

really creeped me out when he talked about

57:53

it, because we were at the end

57:55

of that long driveway, and I put the

57:57

kids in the car and I opened the trunk. And

58:00

so I was standing kind of close to

58:02

the sidewalk and I was like, where does that barrier?

58:05

Where does the cornmeal line end?

58:08

Because I feel like I better stay in

58:10

this thing. But obviously we had

58:12

to live our lives and go out and do things. Sure. So,

58:15

yeah. Now,

58:18

was Dee aware of what you had seen in the

58:20

basement? So I didn't,

58:22

when I went into the basement with our

58:24

neighbors, I didn't bring the kids. Right,

58:27

of course. And so I had the answers that,

58:29

do you mean like, was he aware? He was the

58:31

one who told me it was in the trees, if

58:34

that makes sense. Right. But I guess

58:36

what I'm wondering is, was he aware that your neighbors

58:38

had seen what they had seen in the basement? Had

58:41

you talked about it with him? I

58:43

mean, it's very possible. Right.

58:46

You know, I obviously, so his,

58:48

my ex, his dad has a disability

58:50

where he uses a wheelchair so he

58:53

couldn't go down to the basement. And

58:55

it's, you know, it's possible because I did

58:57

have to tell him like, well,

59:00

you can't come down and do anything about this.

59:02

I'm going to go get our neighbors that or

59:04

heard me relate to his dad. This

59:06

crazy thing happened downstairs. And this is what they said. Right.

59:10

That's very possible. Totally,

59:12

totally possible. Kids, I

59:14

always say kids are drunk parents. You

59:16

don't know what they hear and you don't know when they're going to repeat

59:18

it. So

59:20

be careful what you say around them. And

59:23

I mean, I think I tried to be

59:25

mindful of like not wanting to

59:27

put any more fear in our kids.

59:31

My guess would be based on knowing myself. I

59:33

was careful not to say in front of them,

59:35

but anything's possible. Right. And

59:38

they were woken up by the sounds for sure

59:40

in the middle of the night. I do remember

59:42

that. And I had the kids, the kids slept

59:44

in my bed those two nights. And

59:46

that was one of the other things that

59:48

made it kind of all the more memorable

59:50

is being like,

59:53

how do I call out to my husband down the hall?

59:56

And then luckily he did first. He went to hear that. And

1:00:00

I was like, oh my God,

1:00:02

yes. And I'm too scared to

1:00:05

move, right? So

1:00:08

yeah, we were trying

1:00:10

to keep them safe. But also, I

1:00:12

think I want to, let's say

1:00:14

all of this is very real. And

1:00:16

I feel like I've had enough experiences and your

1:00:18

dad's seen a very full

1:00:21

apparition that if shamans are

1:00:23

the answers, I want you to know your tools,

1:00:25

right? So there was this part of me that's

1:00:27

like, I'm not going to be like, oh, he's

1:00:29

here to get rid of rats, right? Or

1:00:33

he's here to bless the

1:00:35

house. There was this part of

1:00:37

me, like, he's here to help you with these things.

1:00:39

Because for all I know, this

1:00:41

could be something that you're

1:00:44

going to have to deal with for your whole life. And

1:00:46

it's good to know there's ways to help. You

1:00:49

know what I think is a interesting

1:00:52

thing? When

1:00:55

they said that, like, what they

1:00:57

saw was the neighbors, when they

1:00:59

said they saw something standing on

1:01:01

their hind lakes, it could

1:01:03

be like it turning into some sort

1:01:06

of cat. And

1:01:08

then once they let it out, it got

1:01:10

into trees. Yeah, which

1:01:13

would make sense. Yeah, you know

1:01:15

what, you just made me remember something too. I

1:01:17

told the shaman that the cat

1:01:19

jumped into my arms. Because

1:01:21

I called the shaman the first

1:01:24

night after all the noise to be like, what did

1:01:26

you do to us? Right? Like, what

1:01:28

is happening? Like, or maybe you're maybe you didn't do a

1:01:30

good enough job, right? Get

1:01:33

back here. So I told the

1:01:35

shaman that the cat jumped into my arms. It

1:01:38

looked like it had been starving. I

1:01:40

put it down and it

1:01:43

walked to the middle of our backyard. And then

1:01:45

it turned around and sat and just stared at

1:01:47

me. And it was

1:01:49

this like, strange feeling of like,

1:01:51

you know, like, no, you're free now,

1:01:54

go. It felt unusual. Like

1:01:56

the cat's behavior just felt unusual. And I

1:01:58

had never seen this cat. I

1:02:01

let our cats be outdoor cats. I

1:02:03

knew who their neighborhood friends and foes

1:02:05

were. So that was kind of interesting

1:02:08

that this, yeah. We need

1:02:10

a guy who like fed

1:02:12

all those cats around that neighbor.

1:02:15

We had a hoarder neighbor around the other

1:02:17

side of the cul-de-sac, the backside. And

1:02:20

he was an interesting old man who

1:02:22

loved to feed cats but he would

1:02:24

get strangely protective of them. And that's where

1:02:27

our cat actually went. That one time he

1:02:29

disappeared and the old man accused

1:02:31

me of stealing his new cat. I was like, that's

1:02:34

my cat. Thank you. Anyways,

1:02:37

yeah. Well, I'm happy

1:02:39

that your lives are now free of

1:02:42

that kind of negative influence. I'm happy that this

1:02:44

was a one-off experience that

1:02:46

moved you past that. And hopefully that

1:02:48

continues to be the situation for the

1:02:51

rest of both your lives. Yeah,

1:02:53

I think so. I hope so too. And

1:02:56

we really appreciate you guys reaching

1:02:58

out to us and sharing our story.

1:03:00

But also just kind of not

1:03:03

treating us like, oh, this is just

1:03:05

fantasy or attention seeking because it

1:03:07

did not feel that way. And

1:03:11

again, I just feel like if any

1:03:13

of this does have

1:03:15

an influence on people's lives, there's ways to deal

1:03:17

with it. And I really liked when you did

1:03:20

the original story and you spit

1:03:22

test it with a shaman and they said they

1:03:24

do show up to know that somehow

1:03:27

help will come. I mean, it felt

1:03:30

very divine intervention

1:03:32

that I reached out to

1:03:34

his teacher to be like, do you think he's

1:03:36

psychotic or do you think this is this? And

1:03:38

she was like, well, I know this cool shaman

1:03:40

who can come and help. So

1:03:43

I do think there's ways to

1:03:45

get help when you need it. Absolutely.

1:03:47

Well, Anne, thank you so much for being

1:03:49

here. This has been a real privilege because,

1:03:51

again, this story has been a part

1:03:53

of my life now for six years. So

1:03:56

it has been a real privilege to finally be

1:03:58

able to talk to you. Thank you

1:04:00

both. Thank you. Thank you.

1:04:02

All right. Welcome back.

1:04:05

Thanks again to Anna and Dee

1:04:07

for taking the time to talk.

1:04:10

And again, Paul, this felt like a full

1:04:12

circle moment. I'm like Rambo in Rambo 3

1:04:14

with a much higher BMI. And

1:04:17

I'm not stick fighting at a time. Really there's no correlation

1:04:20

whatsoever aside from the fact that we're at the

1:04:22

full circle. You had to shot a bullet out

1:04:24

of your own body using gunpowder, bro? My

1:04:27

lawyer says I'm not allowed to talk about that. Okay. I

1:04:30

just wanted to see if you were part of our special gang. Let

1:04:34

me tell you about what I did with the ping pong ball once. I

1:04:39

know. I regret saying that. I can leave it in,

1:04:41

but I feel bad about it. Oh man.

1:04:44

But yeah. So again, it feels like

1:04:46

a turning of the dial. Like we're

1:04:48

in a new age of ghost story

1:04:50

guys, which seems fitting because episode 200

1:04:52

is coming. Like

1:04:54

Nosferatu. And Nosferatu. Yeah.

1:04:57

I'm just so close there that these things run together. Yeah.

1:04:59

And I'm coming up to 300. Holy

1:05:01

shit. So it's a brave new

1:05:03

world Paul and I'm happy to be in it with you. Me

1:05:06

too. I'm glad we're in that car

1:05:08

riding to the future together. Hell yeah. Where

1:05:11

can everyone find you online, my friend? You

1:05:13

can find me as mysteries and monsters

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across all social media platforms and podcast

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get your podcasts. As

1:05:30

regular listeners will know, we like to end every

1:05:32

episode of Talk Spooky with a Tune. This

1:05:35

time around we'll be sharing a track from our host

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band The Revenants. The Revenants of

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course are a project of Boston based musician

1:05:41

Elliot Wilder and part of our label Night

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Harvest Recordings. This

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track is the lead off single from

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their latest album that album is called

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You and I. Folks

1:05:57

from myself, from Paul, from everyone

1:05:59

else. who has been part of the

1:06:01

Ghost Story Guys family past and present. We

1:06:04

say thank you for helping us achieve

1:06:06

what we have achieved and we are

1:06:08

very excited to head with

1:06:10

you forwards into a bright new future. We'll

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see you next week for episode

1:06:17

192 and until then we will leave you

1:06:19

with the Revenants and you

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