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and welcome to The Great Indoors, a podcast

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which reveals everything you ever needed to know

1:14

about interiors and explains how to make it

1:17

all really work for you in your home.

1:19

I'm Sophie Robinson. And I'm Kate Watson-Smyth.

1:23

Now, if you listened to last week's show,

1:25

you will remember that we interviewed Kit Kemp

1:27

in the Ham Yard Hotel for the launch

1:29

of her new collection. And after

1:31

she had gone, busy woman, lots to do, we

1:34

managed to stay in the room afterwards.

1:36

So we thought we'd record our style

1:38

surgery in here before anyone notices. We've

1:41

got room service. We've got a comfy sofa.

1:43

A bed. Yeah, time

1:45

to get up, Kate. We're here to work. Although

1:48

it will be interesting to see if

1:50

our answers change as we're surrounded by

1:52

these gorgeous soft furnishings and fabrics rather

1:54

than, well, basically in our home office

1:56

surrounded by the tut of working life.

1:58

I must say I'm... Rather inspired,

2:00

I'm feeling quite sleeping. I must

2:02

have been the case Anyway, on

2:04

that note or first design dilemma

2:06

is from Must Rat Missouri says

2:08

We moved into a lovely Edwardian

2:10

terraced house last year with most

2:12

of the period features interact or

2:14

sympathetic replaced with had a living

2:17

on to the front and I

2:19

opened dining room kitchen to the

2:21

big. Against. My better

2:23

judgment I went along with my husband's

2:25

dream of having a through loans and

2:27

quickly realized I should have health food

2:29

them in not having it done. And

2:32

dusted. With what's become of my home,

2:35

the whole of the downstairs looks and

2:37

know nothing says of own standing on

2:39

the timing those.dot a Scottish farm attending

2:41

to clock on the highest mountain. Because

2:43

I'm absolutely freezing, I'm really overwhelmed with

2:45

how to make all the places worth

2:47

living room, dining room, kitchen let together

2:49

while they serve that interconnected yet different

2:51

functions my A D H D brain

2:54

has given up on. I'm almost on

2:56

the verge of sitting back and living

2:58

like this to the rest of my

3:00

life. Please help me get some clarity

3:02

and organize. My downstairs so I can

3:04

be relaxed and happy again. On.

3:07

How this could come into the

3:10

hobby. I hate how the supreme

3:12

other are Other. With

3:15

with it and so does become. Blur start

3:17

the put my actually fall asleep at was yes

3:19

a catch me while I'm awake. Mississippians

3:21

Interesting. Isn't it because there is

3:23

a I mean perhaps it's not an

3:25

obsession but there is a feeling that

3:27

you know was a bad and people

3:29

won't open plan spaces so they can

3:31

see the children or see each other

3:33

all live together and communal harmony. I'm

3:35

in ot are not to would you

3:37

like will I see I like an

3:39

open plan so they can be quite

3:41

different and I guess this is in

3:43

a tight my got different opinions on

3:45

this. a materazzi you in your husband

3:47

and that's been the problem I guess

3:49

in this scenario what's really painful actually.

3:52

Listening to this even though you, right. Barry.

3:54

with lay a mural having a bit of

3:56

a laugh but what i am actually would

3:58

hearings the are quite stressed and you

4:00

mentioned you've got an ADHD brain and

4:02

that is maybe adding to the anxiety

4:05

and the stress of there's just too

4:07

much visual clutter going on. I'm

4:09

getting the... you don't say this, I'm reading into

4:11

this, but I'm getting the feeling that maybe you're

4:13

feeling like it's just not very well organised. There's

4:16

stuff in places where it shouldn't be. You've

4:18

sent us a before pick, the walls are

4:21

still unplastered, maybe that's not helping and

4:23

you just need to bring some coherence,

4:25

some visual coherence because look, here's the

4:27

thing, it's only your walls gone.

4:30

You know, looking at your floor plan, it's

4:32

all still the same stuff, the kitchen is

4:34

still where it was originally, the dining table

4:36

is still where it was originally, so it's

4:38

the furniture. It's just this view and the

4:41

visual clutter of this open plan space which

4:43

is stressing you out. That's what

4:45

I'm hearing rather than a problem with

4:47

a particular space and layout. I think

4:49

one of the things you talk about

4:51

how nothing flows, I wonder if

4:54

it's about being for you,

4:56

Masrat, quite disciplined between what these

4:58

different zones are doing. You may

5:00

not have the walls to

5:03

separate your spaces, kitchen, dining,

5:05

living, working, but whether you

5:07

can separate them by

5:10

not having a passage. Can you put a

5:12

sofa slightly across an opening? Can you use

5:15

different floorings as in rugs to

5:17

designate the dining space? And even

5:19

then colour, I mean one way

5:21

that people used to do it with those long

5:23

spaces is have a dark colour

5:26

at the back of the house, for example,

5:28

coming slightly lighter as you move through the

5:30

house so it feels cohesive and it links,

5:32

but it's not a sort of riot of

5:34

different colour and pattern which I know Sophie

5:36

will disagree with because she likes the riot

5:38

of different colour and pattern but perhaps you

5:40

need it calmer. Yeah, but maybe not for

5:42

Masrat, that's what I'm thinking. I think we've

5:44

all got to really know ourselves in

5:47

life, haven't we Kate? And

5:49

what I'm feeling is that Masrat is not someone

5:51

who wants to be on my Maximus fun bus

5:53

of it all going on and feeling like it's

5:56

just a big jolly jamboree. That's clearly

5:58

her worst nightmare. Alright Kate,

6:00

take it right back, maybe quite a tonal

6:02

colour palette. We know for example that greens

6:04

are in the mid-range on the colour spectrum,

6:07

they're the most relaxing colour to look at,

6:09

so maybe you do like a tonal green

6:11

colour story, bring in some natural woods, go

6:13

easy on the pattern and that might be

6:15

the way that you can feel calmer in

6:17

your space rather than it being a problem

6:19

with the layout. Well, Mazra, I'd go with

6:22

that because that's very unlike Sophie to recommend

6:24

a pale tonal deck also, I'd just take

6:26

that run if I were you. Alright, quick,

6:28

let's move on. Right, who's next? Oh, we've

6:31

got a billystoke coming up, I think we're going

6:33

to hear from Luna. Hi Kate and Sophie,

6:35

thank you so much for picking my question

6:37

for this bio-surgery section. I love

6:39

your podcast, it really helped my husband

6:41

and I when we were decorating our

6:43

first home. By the way Kate,

6:45

I have all of your books and I will be

6:47

using the journal for the next house. So,

6:50

we are buying the next house which is an

6:52

arts and crafts townhouse in the

6:54

Coatsvolds and it's full of

6:57

period features which we love. We are

6:59

planning to decorate it in a very

7:01

traditional style, so think

7:03

Victorian interiors, antiques, we

7:06

love boat collars, wallpapers, quirky

7:09

decorative items and so on.

7:12

What colour should we choose for the

7:14

hallway, stairs and landings? The

7:16

house is built over four floors, including

7:18

the basement. We want it

7:20

to be very interesting, something that express our

7:23

vibes from the minute people come from the

7:25

front door. But considering that

7:27

we have quite bold colour plans

7:29

for all rooms, think

7:31

a red wallpaper dining room, a

7:34

gold ceiling kitchen, yes Kate,

7:37

that one is influenced by

7:39

you, bedrooms in

7:42

bold blues or floral wallpapers and

7:44

this is you, Sophie. The vibe

7:47

we're going for is something like

7:49

Sherlock Holmes' home in Baker Street

7:51

meets Pemberley from Pride and Prejudice,

7:53

that sort of thing. So

7:56

how do we link everything with the

7:58

landings and hallways? We

8:00

don't want anything safe and boring

8:03

like neutrals, but we also don't

8:05

want it to turn into something like a carnival.

8:07

And although I'm Brazilian and wouldn't

8:09

mind it, I don't think my

8:12

English husband will love it as much. So

8:14

basically what Luna wants to know is that if you and

8:16

I had a decorating love child, what would it look like?

8:19

Frankenstein of a monster! That would be...

8:23

No, it would be good because it would have

8:25

lots of pattern, but it would be very tonal

8:27

colour. That's what I'm going with. What do you

8:29

think of all that red, Kate? There's a lot

8:31

of bright, rector-y red going on. Cold back blues.

8:33

There's some strong colours. But don't go to carnival.

8:36

Oh, I'm just seeing the fear. Where do you sit in

8:39

it all? I think that's quite a lot, isn't it? Because

8:41

she says she'd quite like to go carnival, but her husband

8:43

wouldn't. Mmm, her to rein it in.

8:46

So, I mean, the big question, and I suppose

8:48

this relates to everyone who's listening, is, you know,

8:50

if your colour palette lends itself

8:52

or leans towards the bright and more

8:54

colourful, should your linking spaces,

8:56

hall stairs and landing, be more neutral

8:58

to kind of calm you down and

9:00

make the other rooms when the doors

9:03

are open pop out, you know, is

9:05

that a really nice way to do

9:07

it? Is that our love child? Or

9:10

do you go with it and keep everything bright

9:12

from the moment you come in? I mean, I

9:14

think it's going to come down to personal taste.

9:16

What do you think? I've got a

9:18

feeling that what Luna needs to

9:20

do is get her core colour palette together and then

9:23

you can turn up the volume or turn it

9:25

down depending on how you're using room. And I

9:27

think actually being here

9:29

in Kit Kempf's design

9:32

space, we're in a living room which at

9:34

the moment has got this deep red coral

9:36

on it. There's some really rich green upholstery

9:38

colours. It's quite a rich bright,

9:40

but very warm and cosy colour palette. Well, what's

9:42

interesting is you say that it doesn't look like

9:44

a Christmas tree, because when you say red and

9:46

green, you immediately think Christmas tree, but because it's

9:49

coral, it's quite a pinky red and

9:51

a dark green. And then the Christmas tree would look excellent in

9:53

This way. It would look excellent, but the room

9:55

doesn't make me feel that it's Christmas. But My

9:57

point about this is then you move into the

9:59

back. The Dream: There is no color length

10:01

tool because the bedroom is old douse blue

10:04

and white. Yeah, there's no green Aunt she

10:06

does a tiny no hint for instance that

10:08

that's why she said clever businesses tiny tiny,

10:10

ninety bit of on as a missing a

10:13

little bit of orange in here. I'm but

10:15

I think in terms of a color palette

10:17

that have a similar family internet quite rec

10:19

like. The blue in the bedroom is a

10:22

warm soft play. as good a strong warm

10:24

says blue, it's not a cool blaze and

10:26

the reds and the greens and have got

10:28

real warm and says mr. Then she'd

10:30

put your hand i'm sorry my hand,

10:33

it wouldn't matter because I and facing

10:35

the better get on the whole and

10:37

you've got your but today and actually

10:39

haven't you noticed. As said, we've got

10:41

these plane Karoly ready. Pink was in

10:44

here and this blue and white bedroom

10:46

and the whole the language to marry

10:48

that word and why you come in.

10:50

I'm not off the street clearly because

10:52

it's a hotel but where you're off

10:55

the court or he is a patent

10:57

wallpaper that he the blues, the bedroom

10:59

and the red. And the of the

11:01

Wool and the other three And stressing that

11:03

so I wonder whether and this is quite

11:06

a bold move. Whether it's a wallpaper certainly

11:08

on the down stand and given it doesn't

11:10

have to be you know, a really intense

11:12

houses Hackney wallpaper. You can have a plethora

11:15

of Robinson, a Harlequin or paper that it

11:17

also is that out how to collect? Yes,

11:19

I say that I would say why we

11:21

could ever mentions it. Maybe now would be

11:24

the time and spits it. The wallpaper Kit

11:26

Kats got here is so to Block of

11:28

Flats Zigzag Anniston, Secret Identity. Am I

11:30

right yes is quite subtle arm so

11:32

it looks from a distance in like

11:34

a stripes good wiggle room that prince

11:37

so I wonder is that as such

11:39

as softly past and wallpaper would bring

11:41

your Brazilian carnival and link all the

11:43

rooms was not freaking else been doubt

11:45

his but I think that some really

11:47

nice idea and I've done that and

11:49

projects such as Gone From you know

11:51

in my whole way of just gone

11:53

for the color is my cobalt blue

11:55

it's blocked call us and then I

11:58

carry that little bit of blue. The

12:00

rest the house. Whether it's a big better

12:02

blue, a little bit place but actually finding

12:04

a would pay pass that has got you

12:06

entire color palette in it, you know it

12:08

could. Be a chance to be a

12:11

stripe. It could be a scenic it

12:13

could be muralist stick but then you can

12:15

pull those colors out into the bathroom in.

12:17

the clever thing about what text on here

12:19

is while the living rooms quite bold and

12:22

strong and kind of saturated the bedroom is

12:24

actually got more the white background for the

12:26

deaf blues the second she kind of and

12:29

as a result of feels a lot more

12:31

calming and nuts rate and put your husband

12:33

luna stitch him his added another i guess

12:35

the other thing a dent come back to

12:38

this from said the wallpaper isn't that wiggle

12:40

room. And then in this very

12:42

brightly colored call it coral room there

12:44

are some lampshades which of the same

12:46

for because the whole wallpaper. so I

12:48

wonder luna to bring them into your

12:50

own hands. Whether you would paper the

12:52

hallway and up to the first floor

12:54

where the wolves stops and then perhaps

12:56

if you wanted to turn it back

12:58

and go for a more neutral color

13:00

on the walls up to the rest

13:02

of the house. but you could have

13:04

a blind or a curtain if you've

13:06

got windows. On. Your host as

13:08

in London going further up which you

13:10

know I live in a London Terrorists?

13:12

I don't but you might have an

13:14

opportunity to bring in the same person

13:16

but in some fabric love the attacks

13:18

or other was that we don't that

13:20

lump Orleans sell. Following on from that

13:22

question, we have enough. A whole question

13:24

actually from Deborah and she says I

13:26

have a dark is no facing hallway

13:28

meeting into a kitchen with okay cream

13:31

cupboards and magnolia wolves. I like the

13:33

fetched but next a mason mark enough

13:35

to act maybe a sin but they

13:37

weren't. And I love them. The kids

13:39

as retailer is a bright apple green

13:41

and the kitchen look straight into the

13:43

garden too. Large beisel doors. I will

13:45

not be changed. My kitchen and time

13:47

soon. so I need to decorate the

13:49

whole so it flows. No surprise it

13:51

is currently Magnolia. I am changing the

13:53

flooring and bonuses to would too much

13:55

the kitchen. I'm looking for suggestions for

13:57

rules and would work so it flows.

14:00

Draw you into the space.

14:02

I want it to be

14:04

luxury and sophisticated. I received

14:06

a W S. Apple,

14:09

I'm not at all. Sophisticated.

14:12

My you see on panic and I'm

14:14

on the backfoot because as you are

14:17

reading that question I had an instant

14:19

idea for what I would do but

14:21

now I don't know if it's luxury

14:24

and sophistication hum a battle cry during

14:26

the night but I love the idea

14:28

of this accessory full of being a

14:30

bright blue green them in lots of

14:33

great color on. Funny enough of is

14:35

going through my siren bull paint chart

14:37

yesterday for a plant and I think

14:39

I must have very old paint shop

14:42

because. I found this really fabulous green

14:44

cool Danish Lorne to google it and

14:46

look it up. A but it's probably

14:48

stronger than apple but I wonder if

14:50

you love magnolia says he stop stop

14:52

She's allowed to like the Magnolia buccaneer

14:54

box. This lady likes the magnolia so

14:57

how about doing your whole was can

14:59

set really to temperatures between you may

15:01

have wrestled safety and recession. You can

15:03

keep the magnolia on the walls if

15:05

you want but what about doing the

15:07

would what in your apple, green and

15:09

yellow been stumped have any to she

15:12

wants. To do ha staircase an

15:14

oak to much actually going to

15:16

painter us so I would you

15:18

want to do that and that

15:20

is a nice idea but a

15:22

better idea. Of

15:24

an adult Rats is gonna paint the walls

15:26

in that Danish. Know what the Danish to

15:28

into their loans to make no idea I

15:31

don't we will be refined the Us I

15:33

think painting your rules in a bright up

15:35

agreeing would be brilliant. And here's the why.

15:37

Because the thing with hallways is you never

15:39

really funny how in them for very long.

15:42

So. I always say why not go

15:44

for color. You love that you'd

15:46

be worried about using in any

15:48

other room on the basis that

15:50

you only have a meeting through

15:52

it. A bright apple green is

15:54

welcoming. It's bright. it's park he

15:56

it soda says hello and welcome

15:58

be don't have to. Around in

16:00

it because you moving true into whatever special

16:02

on your way too. So I mean I

16:04

did this at home in my who were

16:07

painted a really really bold cobalt blue probably

16:09

too heavy an oppressive to me to have

16:11

in living in our kitchen but I love

16:13

it as a as an entire connecting color

16:15

what you've done to tone it down a

16:17

bit as well as he got quite a

16:19

bit of white haven't you? We've had Gabi.

16:22

I didn't say the Eiffel design white kneeling

16:24

on white powder stuff says she's got that

16:26

pale oak I've just been send a picture

16:28

of that Danish known some I. Am

16:30

I know I was quite some your desire.

16:32

Oh and Blade Alexa very strong. I was

16:34

thinking more of a granny smith know well

16:36

no I mean she says has his apple

16:38

or jersey. I suddenly remembered the i'd never

16:40

heard early last season. Like a base of

16:42

a sneak a table that's what it's reminds

16:45

me of. Such. Kind of colonists.

16:47

I'm happy with the purpose of this. Is under

16:49

Tell you what it loves Navy Blue. I've

16:51

got a feeling that is gonna release for

16:53

a Magnolia Deborah. so maybe something. maybe not

16:55

the one Los Dos. You don't want anything

16:57

that really scares you, but I think that

16:59

brigade fret you can keep you might measure

17:01

everywhere else. but why don't you just inject

17:03

a pop of joyful kind of in your

17:05

whole way. You won't regret it. So.

17:09

Next up we his and Chelsea.

17:11

Chelsea limits my sincere A D

17:13

A Do it up in April

17:15

Twenty Twenty One. Now by July

17:17

Twenty Twenty one we were ready

17:19

to paint and instead of doing

17:21

what I know you'd recommend live

17:23

in the space before you printed

17:25

when I didn't first mistake maybe

17:27

so I painted are open plan

17:29

living room dining room a dark

17:31

green do lox Heritage D H

17:33

slate fully drenched skirting radiator architrave

17:35

Now I don't regret it, but

17:37

I think I wanted been. Admitted

17:40

the I haven't dress the living room as

17:42

I should have with colorful prince cushions. Am

17:44

I chose the wrong curtains Now I've always

17:46

wanted a pink says up but unfortunately we

17:48

have to live with it are very drop

17:50

hand me down Brown says the so now

17:52

I also have a wouldn't dresser I'd love

17:54

to paint. The room is se facing with

17:56

morning light but my style has changed and

17:58

now I am see. Brave with color.

18:01

So where do I start? We currently in

18:03

a position to repaint the whole room to

18:05

adjust a week and build up the coolest

18:07

slowly. How do I make the living room

18:09

feel cozy and separate to the dining room?

18:12

I've always struggled with it feeling so open.

18:14

Could I decorate the spaces I would decorate

18:16

to separate rooms with a clear paint change

18:18

through the middle? And why do I feel

18:21

guilty about getting rid of the gorgeous green?

18:23

If I was to incorporate wallpaper or different

18:25

color paint, How do I choose which was

18:27

to do? Oh Chelsea, so much on. Pop

18:30

on. Let's

18:33

not have the guilt, it's attend a. Padded. As if I

18:35

mean, that's as far. As I know isn't

18:38

selling us Athena of as he says I

18:40

feel guilty as. Much as I

18:42

know, I don't. Agree

18:45

more type of the say. As

18:48

a saxophone I just feel like we

18:50

need to clear up. A very easy

18:53

question. there's a lot from party but

18:55

one really easy question which was could

18:57

I decorate the space as I would

18:59

to separate rooms with the cave paintings?

19:01

rock metal. Now you cannot stop and

19:03

look mental. Hopefully that's not the that.

19:05

I think it's fine to create different

19:07

feelings on. indeed, you can use different

19:09

elements and colors and patterns in different

19:11

ends of the rain. Be conscious, pay

19:13

decorate one room one way. And.

19:15

Then dare change two different color and the

19:18

second home. For the link aside measurable gone.

19:20

So you do need to treat as an

19:22

open plan space and we know that the

19:24

hottest rooms to design doesn't mean the whole

19:26

room as we decorate out the same but

19:28

they do need talked one least needs talked

19:30

with another Have concessions you the waving at

19:32

night and it it up if it is

19:35

a rather than having a bucks really. Have.

19:38

Anyone. Very easy way to do it is to

19:40

have one room in one color and just do the

19:42

ceiling of the room in the other color say you

19:44

blink than like now like an him by take think

19:47

and yellow out act like a chat line I think

19:49

if she keeps that green for the sake of argument

19:51

in the one room and then takes the greens getting

19:53

bored through into the other and does the ceiling green

19:55

and the other them and then has the was a

19:57

different color said the clinic quite different but they're linked.

20:00

I've got a knife. I target that within

20:02

the where we are reaching for everything. Is

20:04

he going on cycles? You're holding on? The

20:06

Great: What: I wanted to let it go

20:08

on a space. A Christian as Chelsea's maybe

20:10

he should have done what Eden already nations

20:12

on from the get go to oblivion. Mood

20:14

board got yourself a plan. Get yourself out

20:16

a judge Have what you like a that

20:18

you lied and do it on paper fast.

20:21

Get older paints. What She's wallpapers, What She's.

20:23

Get your pin trespass together. Do the work trials

20:25

I just got these are really saying is like

20:27

really overexcited labrador puppy preside. Come on come on

20:30

let's go let's go to the paint shop as

20:32

by the pain and really enjoying the transformation but

20:34

then realizing that she'd say for doesn't go with

20:36

this is it's an interesting turn of phrase is

20:38

that do the work. I mean you know I

20:41

spoke with conditioned to think it's not worth can't

20:43

we were conditions think it sorta fun and just

20:45

picking colors but actually yeah I thought I was

20:47

in some time. You go to ask yourself some

20:50

questions are lots of them. Honestly I mean you

20:52

know I totally get. That you can't have to

20:54

think so feeble with wanted now but in which

20:56

case could you have pink rules which would probably

20:59

sick quite nazi to the brown says sir

21:01

or the other argument would be designed the rims

21:03

how you want it and save up and by

21:05

the piece of I do a very nice pics

21:07

as with many collection. Dfs that you don't

21:09

seem as though. Not

21:12

as a really nice we cannot see what was

21:14

really lovely is it's only just got on sale

21:16

and today the first say so they selves I

21:18

thought was really nice. They told me one fast

21:21

patches was was a pink though that sense of

21:23

pale as yeah I'm and the years ago they

21:25

said and I think they were really quite surprised

21:27

by it. They said one of their best selling

21:29

say says. That. Wasn't gray was yellow.

21:31

That was right that when we started the

21:33

podcast and twenty eighteen and they were so

21:36

slightly surprised by the success of the yellow

21:38

side to side with it. Think the Nguyen

21:40

as guess I don't paint may be as

21:42

had it's day when set the on the

21:44

punk costs more than once haven't way but

21:46

couldn't to Chelsea and whoever bought my first

21:48

of a safer pink safest of a minute.

21:50

So I think it's a classic. And I

21:52

think the thing about pink is people, Savannah

21:54

Wang always got to be really girly. But

21:56

you know that pink and as paying it

21:58

doesn't have to be Barbie paying. And it

22:00

goes with if you pick the right shade

22:03

of pink seen it goes either pink and

22:05

brain thinking green, Pink and yellow, Pink and

22:07

blue. I'm in a It actually is friends

22:09

with all the other colors on the spectrum,

22:11

so it's it's much less scary than you

22:13

think it's going on if you had to

22:15

make that with this lovely do lock screen

22:17

slate parliament she's talking about. I mean can

22:19

you imagine a really lovely Rose penned. The.

22:21

That dark green know loads a lot of

22:24

lay by Chelsea Lot Here we are. We're

22:26

a Titan. I even dug around in circles

22:28

because there is not. There is infinite options

22:30

open. She is is kind of what we're

22:33

saying. I think you don't know Chelsea. You.

22:35

Say. About for me.

22:37

The device but yeah so so got

22:39

your south sat down paper and pen

22:42

get this of Penang Kate Stop books

22:44

on how to do this. I've got

22:46

online courses out you this process that

22:48

is a design process out bad that

22:51

you can fall i which will stop

22:53

you making steaks that these and help

22:55

you get it right the second time

22:57

and I will also say. As

22:59

that the man his drilling outside you

23:02

can absolutely pain that wouldn't dresser so

23:04

maybe that becomes your starting point. You.

23:06

Know, don't worry about painting While Death star

23:08

a decorating scheme also and painted a well

23:10

respected polish wants to experiment with my nothing

23:12

more unsafe what I'm trying to address. There's

23:15

not that that's necessarily the starting point, but

23:17

yeah she's feeling guilty about getting rid the

23:19

green sheet. Seems to me she's asking permission

23:21

to things a dresser and I'm savings had

23:23

a painting edge that needs I asked. yeah

23:25

get that is Chelsea. Get paid. You just

23:27

said to me how you fail Hum back

23:30

and say Auntie Tight mounted I am. Most

23:32

important and. So.

23:35

Next up we have a question

23:38

from one of our inside as

23:40

he's hurt us from here. We

23:42

have just moved into our dream

23:44

House a grade two listed property

23:46

in Surrey is mostly magnolia and

23:48

based on my gosh caped with

23:50

i seen here ah I need

23:52

your help protect Lisa The downstairs

23:54

lay which has me paralyzed My

23:56

dream would be to go on

23:59

a wallpaper. All over my dream

24:01

again I never had any lottery ticket. will

24:03

hurry It goes on to say until I

24:05

found out the price. ah but the loo

24:07

is full of been so I think snores

24:10

we will pay per isn't going to work

24:12

as the beams on straight and the rules

24:14

on sneeze. My Richmond is green but I

24:16

love reds, tanks and gowns. Oh Harriette, what

24:18

a tricky question but what a lovely home

24:21

to decorate. Naturally when I was working on

24:23

the Great Interior Design Challenge back in the

24:25

day we done the hot fudge. we do

24:27

lots of the sort of grade one and

24:30

right to the soups is cause the commissioner

24:32

be sitting next to me. He

24:36

has his own and hack chance at

24:38

a used to close the design a

24:40

similar problem. So so this taught For

24:42

anybody who a prat isn't accustomed to

24:44

this type of architects what you got

24:46

you got really old for be chewed

24:48

us type buildings and beams everywhere not

24:50

just in the ceiling in the wolves

24:52

as well. they crop up in all

24:54

kinds of places and not symmetrical. and

24:57

then the way the was a plastic

24:59

they're not flat day. On cough cough

25:01

to them and have areas where

25:03

that cotton around the beam south's

25:05

whoop a prank com be done.

25:07

but he's really super tricky so

25:09

quite often these has is just

25:11

painted white or indeed how yet,

25:13

magnolia and then you just you

25:15

just got kind of like beam

25:17

overlays and you clearly love Patton

25:19

and color and want to embrace.

25:21

I knew home and I'm just

25:23

leave you can that the answer

25:25

isn't wallpaper. It's time to do

25:27

a bit of stenciling, but his

25:29

hand. Painting. Oh, hang on a minute. The

25:31

eighties pulled. Up

25:35

Up Up Up. Would

25:38

I be doing I became a paint

25:41

brushes out How yes or to be

25:43

inspired by kit cat who injury last

25:45

week that you potato. Pinch know what

25:47

about you are not doing a total

25:50

points between all the been. I.

25:52

Think it's tricky that because I grew up

25:54

in a house like that and it was.

25:56

My grandmother assiduously had all the been painted

25:58

black, which was. Not really original because

26:01

they would have been brown hair brown inherits

26:03

has a are brown which is I have

26:05

not very charming and I have seen houses

26:07

which are painted in really rich colors. I'm

26:10

not going to say the so to thorough

26:12

and thought you don't really want the very

26:14

clean modern you lock your current won't heritage

26:17

colors their bit month yes I'm I've seen

26:19

rooms in orange and green and really saturated

26:21

colors but it does tend to be plain

26:23

I'm in. My instincts have got to say

26:26

is I I'm struggling a bit with the

26:28

putin and all the been are. You I

26:30

think it gets a bit busy but you

26:32

can. You know my grandmother painted have been

26:34

black You can paint Your being said it

26:37

will be. You will be careful with it's

26:39

when it's listed. As. That yes, you

26:41

might have to double check the other. This

26:43

is great. He misses. You might get away

26:45

with it. Grade One Big elephant really. And

26:47

minorities? Yes, I would you do. I would

26:49

paint the walls between the beams and I

26:51

would bring the color and pattern in in

26:53

the tax dollars into that. Then I am.

26:55

I'm Todd to their the down says leave

26:57

any see, that's the problem far frames And

26:59

as as these were, you don't get all

27:01

the lovely upholstery and curtains and fabrics and

27:03

things. That's what I think of a little

27:05

downstairs. They come on come on you know you want

27:07

to caped we got you so and know I read.

27:10

What a what has he got. least

27:12

house until you get you started, filling

27:14

and simpler as if it's Gov Deval.

27:16

I thought I saw you to do

27:19

like pasta you know you could do

27:21

like I like a spoof the last

27:23

type design slick he like if you

27:25

mosque the full the be no a

27:27

cane had been. He has a dose

27:29

of. Other to make the. Opportunity.

27:33

Hurry to get be creative unearthing. Don't

27:35

says least be talking points. One that's

27:37

true. I mean that that that that

27:39

I will endorse isn't that and you

27:41

know the downstairs do is the place

27:43

to experiment and go mad and you

27:45

know by all means try some whoop

27:47

apron that because it's a small area.

27:49

Another: that's a problem isn't it is

27:51

of he Did You Listen to this

27:53

beginning. Of the effect. of

27:57

my close stuff is woman another topic.

28:00

The military and against. Up

28:03

Up Up Up Up. That's los dem

28:05

I think we we thought we

28:07

hear you hurriyet I would. Even.

28:09

Look at like some to starve the

28:11

and designs you know if you're worried

28:13

about being all of it to tweet

28:15

look at like some really simple folk

28:17

law gastar vn kind of like designs

28:20

or you could even as i would

28:22

do and say me to see him

28:24

ripped from the spotless that someone else

28:26

in his hand. So unless

28:28

testing comes in from Helen, who is

28:30

another one of our cherished insiders now

28:32

Allen. As given as

28:34

a. Full A for document Talking

28:37

about how lovely Grade two listed

28:39

early Victorian Gothic cottage. She says

28:41

she's recently received approval from the

28:43

Conservation department. I can tell you

28:45

what, those of you who aren't

28:47

in Uk that is a big

28:49

they all work. Yes, I'm and

28:51

she wants to point out that

28:54

the cottages the size of a

28:56

symbol, but they're okay with that.

28:58

That early retirees deciding to downsize

29:00

up to symbol clearly she says

29:02

so Out we got all the

29:04

quaintness, neatness, hyenas, Just picturing a little

29:06

simple cottage I hadn't had led to questions

29:09

about how she could reconfigure, has space and

29:11

on his you can't we just can't eat

29:13

on upon cause we need a sister face

29:16

consultancy with you have a boss he didn't

29:18

have one of your questions which was that

29:20

you have got. Two thousand.

29:23

And counting books. Currently

29:25

dotted around the house you would like

29:27

to know where we would put and

29:29

because you dream of them all being

29:31

together again you'll musing about perhaps creating

29:33

a new study and you'll soon to

29:36

be guys convulsions. but then you worry

29:38

that the guys confession that also be

29:40

needed as a bedroom if you stay

29:42

on into. Those. Hedge So

29:44

Kate, I feel like I need

29:46

to look to you because I

29:48

love this question. What? Does

29:50

even three thousand bucks and counting look like

29:53

I'm what would you do with him Because

29:55

he must? You must be on three thousand

29:57

bucks by now. One is when I ah,

29:59

it's unreal. Struggling to imagine we had sixty

30:01

eight boxes of books. Yeah, that I mean

30:03

I I'd only don't know how to do

30:06

remember the eight boxes of books. Who? I'm

30:08

guessing that like fifty in a box? So

30:11

you're not even on three thousand know

30:14

a lot of of know the Moon

30:16

got a lot of books a set

30:18

A but I also remember watching the

30:20

documentary l one is probably many documentaries

30:23

back Karl Lagerfeld his had a massive

30:25

book like I think I think he

30:27

might have had thirty thousand books and

30:29

seized by law system from this little

30:32

French bookseller and she was interviewed in

30:34

this document should. She was heartbroken when

30:36

she died with seat basically. Funny

30:39

to a lot about. Now

30:41

that dead. And she didn't

30:43

know. You can apply to put out of it.

30:45

Now the story. I wouldn't area of of updates

30:47

and I'm but this is a case of this

30:50

is and thirty thousand Karl Lagerfeld size. but this

30:52

is three thousand bucks in a symbol size cottage

30:54

with an. Effort to build a library. She's got

30:56

some. She's. Got to run for president, become

30:58

president and then she gets presidential library. Bet

31:00

is it is it. And I mean that's

31:03

what you can do that you've just if

31:05

he wants keep more together. yeah you you

31:07

to. She mentioned condition again like the idea

31:09

that. Converting the garage into

31:11

lady. That and also possibly bigger. better be

31:13

a bedroom, not be teaching, not getting the

31:16

they should be exclusive to one another. I

31:18

quite like the idea of lying in bed

31:20

wrapped around by rules of books out the

31:22

happiest Fabulous. I'm in Space Slice. A really

31:24

good thing to do would be to have

31:26

a messy bad which is one of those

31:28

by the folder pulls up against the wall

31:30

and then you folded down and you're surrounded

31:32

by books. But it's possible that she isn't

31:34

that the Space Cassini's that you may even

31:36

get the disks. Said. That about them.

31:38

But desks of Bed death is bad. That

31:41

combat into desks by day and as the

31:43

same things will come to leave. I don't

31:45

like a normal hydraulic Conrad leave them back

31:47

there and took out my compass. I now

31:49

own thoughts but basically it's a Bed by

31:52

nine. The new flipper up in it does

31:54

some amazing transformer routine and than ends up

31:56

being a desk as Haskell. I mean the

31:58

problem I think. Helen. We're on it is.

32:01

I don't think we've really got sensible on, simply

32:03

there was just a gasket. the fight. These got

32:05

such thousand books, but all. I think I

32:07

think it's a brilliant. Question actually cause

32:09

I think what happens during his she's

32:11

giving some indication I mean floor plans

32:13

aside, this is the but I'm interested

32:16

in because this is who Lns she

32:18

is a bunch of to the Karl

32:20

Lagerfeld level but collect data on I

32:22

think it should be really celebrated you

32:24

say that dotted around half. I really

32:26

love the idea if if you're really

32:28

into something into collecting stuff whatever is

32:30

colored glass, nail polish boxes, handbags, jelly

32:32

molds, books, whatever your thing as somehow

32:35

by burning them altogether, grouping them in

32:37

one place can create even. More of

32:39

a statement visual input and dispersing

32:41

them. Or. Lantern. I know she's clearly

32:44

got enough to do both. I mean I think

32:46

absolutely. You need a library. And Dolls Amazon? Billie

32:48

Joe Miller What's your advice to build a library?

32:50

But I've never had one, but you've had a

32:52

few. Well, I've had lots of cells. I'm gonna.

32:55

you know again, Island doesn't tell us what books

32:57

they arm and you know they might need is

32:59

because you have those fabulous bookshelves in stately homes

33:01

which is that is behind almost why. Netting is

33:03

nothing that to stop people touching them. But you

33:06

know, do they need glass shelves in front of

33:08

them? Pretty what? Because I am really love it

33:10

just yet. always. It's written. Three thousand Silly Cooper's.

33:12

You know I'm in, we don't know. say

33:14

let's go with, let's go with the more.

33:16

The Julie Key for run the stately home

33:19

prices books mean I don't know how much

33:21

space that takes but what you do need

33:23

to establish if you want to store them

33:25

is not the biggest mint is it the

33:27

same says he has said For example paper

33:29

dancer actually teach small and if the book

33:31

as the collection is paid by yourself can

33:34

be quite narrow or again if it's paper

33:36

books he can build shelf to. this is

33:38

why didn't double fuck him so he know

33:40

I would. Absolutely guys floor to ceiling I

33:42

would. You go floor to ceiling for because

33:44

that he an I I just think that's

33:46

more impressive. I love floor to see the

33:48

local middle of the bases around the corner.

33:51

I have tended to start mine sort of

33:53

have discussing board at the front of the

33:55

shelf set looks like it's part of the

33:57

architecture of the room and then go shelves.

34:00

The way up as high as you can

34:02

at the top and I I mean this

34:04

is contentious. We all know how I feel

34:06

about color coordination your books for anybody who's

34:08

new listeners. Kate does not like it when

34:10

people color coordinate their books and I tell

34:12

you why owners should I move my and

34:14

I think Helen's going to agree with me

34:17

on this because I think if your color

34:19

coordination your books, you're turning him into styling

34:21

to and if you've got three thousand books,

34:23

they are not styling tools. That is your

34:25

library, That's your history, That's information's your coffee

34:27

table is the color coordinated but own coffee

34:29

tables. The styling to oh color coordinate my

34:31

your coffee table if you want. I think

34:33

you need them in library. How well I

34:35

have them. How they fall. Other people like

34:38

to do them alphabetically. Some people like to

34:40

do them by john. Writing a very difficult

34:42

because you might have a disagreement about what

34:44

a book is. I don't like them. Alphabet

34:46

is a huge I can never like nobody

34:48

or you gotta fill out your stands in

34:50

an actual library. You may have let let

34:52

us. I like books. How they fall. you

34:54

know when they come out Before I like

34:56

it. I'm like it. but it doesn't make

34:58

it difficult to find the thing. You're looking

35:00

for. Although I find in our house

35:02

we tend to because there are books,

35:05

we tend to have a vague sort

35:07

of encyclopedic knowledge of what is where

35:09

he am. I don't know exactly what

35:11

self that will know it's in that

35:14

area. These books case we have said

35:16

a half my husband's and half mine.

35:18

Pretty much so he's read his on.

35:21

I've read mine. I don't know how

35:23

much mixing there has been some as

35:25

you gave assemblies them again sometimes. yeah

35:27

and I know otherwise eating them because.

35:30

Now. That the age old question because there's lots

35:32

of people that they go have read that

35:34

paperback and you know I know what happens.

35:36

I'm never gonna read it again. Saw Get

35:38

Rid Of It gave us me what I

35:40

I probably won't remember the store in all

35:42

honesty, I read fast and I read for

35:45

relaxation Sets as much about spending time with

35:47

a book as remembering every. The

35:49

up and page tense. But what

35:51

I do remember really clearly when

35:53

I pick up a book is.

35:56

I remember where I was when

35:58

I read it, so. For

36:00

me my library of books is a kind

36:02

of diary of my life because I can

36:04

guide no idea what happens. It must go

36:07

to hit on it as a blood on

36:09

as yes I was on behalf of I

36:11

know I read our own holiday in France

36:13

twenty years ago. I will and you in

36:15

our you doing that as your perusing true

36:17

your I love and run the Nfc. Funny

36:19

enough my son my twenty three year old

36:21

was getting through the books yesterday for something

36:24

to read and he found a book and

36:26

he said all he does he read this

36:28

my said know that starts I haven't. Read

36:30

and he was flicking through it and

36:32

I don't know where my husband got

36:34

it from but please clearly picked out

36:36

from some when there was a really

36:38

old piece of paper in it and

36:40

it said on it at a cop

36:42

member that there was an address and

36:44

full thirty Tuesday and then on the

36:47

back it said Milk Eggs Sugar Shops

36:49

ah my some So that was reading

36:51

Chops is such an emphasis on come

36:53

on man who knows Sam says something

36:55

is in the seventies or even before

36:57

I get again by some chopped for

36:59

my way. Home I know that not all

37:01

that books hide session and you do. You know

37:03

my books of got oh postcards in and stamps

37:06

and notes and luck on nothing that says you

37:08

know Helen says she doesn't know how to do

37:10

them but they're staying and I'm on with a

37:12

So I suppose it's celebrating them and the having

37:15

them in a place of a ton of uncle

37:17

those of the name is. I know that in

37:19

the past we talked on the poor cause I

37:21

think withdrawn lockdown that we stumbled across a new

37:24

business model where people would. Buy. Books

37:26

feel bookshelves that was less whole life

37:28

but curator service going on and they

37:30

probably fall into the same category as

37:33

you know. sort of home at it

37:35

d Clustering home Stylus people are kind

37:37

of just make your home look Instagram

37:39

Reggie yes, I'm a new were. Really

37:42

upset about that. yet I'm back

37:44

up about. The fact that the

37:46

thought the to buy a library of books actually have

37:49

no meaning or name memories to you but the other

37:51

thing people was really shocks his They see I have

37:53

a list books but I have a Kindle. And

37:55

people with outraged by the fact that I have a

37:57

Kindle as you for a long lost my Kindle. That's

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partly because funnily enough, my house and they've

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not yet come up with the technology for

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this elastic wolf so unite the bookshelves, the

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full arm and a hamlet space to build

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any more self. But I already have a

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duty. Memories on the Kindle can? Well, no,

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but they're there because a tele while of

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a Kindle I now I know I'd as

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a lot of a month anyway because I'm

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someone who gets really panic the I might

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run out of things to read. And the

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reason I love the Kindle is because. I

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know only have I got a full

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library of books in something the size

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of My husband thought, if I run

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out. To buy another one

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why that's my thing and see you as

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book and must have a boy must have

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you. I mean if the to breaks down.

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a list on the militant rights and I'm a

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book that night Sonics Back Mcleod you have to

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book at the table and sell. I don't necessarily

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proof reading a book at the said unless I'm

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a man, but I must have a book or

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surgery for a while. Are you gonna

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myself a point four days later,

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