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Here's to the finest crew

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in Starfleet. Engage. Watch

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your back shop. Hello. I'm

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Captain Cap Bringing with the

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USS 4-Hector. I'm Captain

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Cap Bringing with the USS 4-Hector.

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Do it! And Captain Cap. Welcome

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to The Greatest Generation of the Star

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Trek Podcast by Kefil. Guys who are

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just a little bit embarrassed about having

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a Star Trek podcast. I'm Ben Harrison.

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I'm Adam Pranika. Back

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at it again, Adam. Boy, a lot

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of anticipation of a new baby stuff

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in today's episode. Had to

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make you feel a kind of way, huh? Yeah,

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all of the wanting, wanting

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my baby not to be like

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me stuff. Very

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relatable. Oh no, Ben. Is this about

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to be a very special episode of

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Greatest Generation? I just didn't

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want him to have my nose and forehead ridges, you

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know? It was mainly about that.

0:55

I mean, that had to disappoint you then, huh?

1:01

When you wiped Diron off to reveal.

1:04

Ta-da! Oh no!

1:11

And then I was like, wait a minute. Our

1:13

mailman is also a Klingon. I

1:17

have to say the timing of this

1:19

episode also hit me in a specific

1:22

way, Ben. I've been doing

1:24

a lot of, I guess what you

1:26

could call nesting. Around the

1:28

house and I'm just gonna say it. Like,

1:31

I'm gonna say it on the show for the first

1:33

time. We're having company

1:35

come out and stay with us this weekend. Bless

1:41

your heart. Congratulations. I know we've

1:43

been trying for a while to

1:46

get people to come visit us from out of

1:48

town. Yeah. Our friends from New York are finally

1:50

gonna make it and... That's

1:53

great. We're at a point now where it's

1:55

safe to actually tell people. Like,

1:57

because we're within like the 24 hour window. They've

2:00

checked in for their flight. You

2:02

can't cancel the flight without some real consequences

2:04

at this point. Yeah. You

2:06

think of yourself as this kind of cerebral,

2:09

rational being and then you've got friends coming

2:11

in from out of town and you find

2:14

yourself, you know, putting things right, you

2:16

know, getting your house ready for it. Aren't we just,

2:19

aren't we just mammals working off instinct at the end

2:21

of the day? It's

2:23

so insane. Like all of my friends

2:25

are telling me like what I have

2:27

to do when they come in

2:30

from New York to visit LA. Like they

2:32

have all these restaurant recommendations, hikes

2:34

we should take, places we should go.

2:37

They mean well, right? You know, I kind

2:39

of want to decide these things for myself.

2:42

Yeah. Yeah. It

2:44

happens to everyone, you know? I

2:46

mean, my wife and I are fighting a little bit more.

2:48

Like I think that's just because we're stressed. Yeah.

2:51

Well, stress and hormones. Yeah. That's

2:54

true. Well,

2:59

I'm just really happy for you, man. I think that

3:01

I think that you guys are going to be great

3:03

hosts. That's just my

3:06

hunch. I think you're going to really, really kind

3:08

of fully flower as

3:10

people once you're hosting out

3:12

of town friends. The thing is Ben, like I've

3:15

got some real feelings about the sort

3:17

of hosts my parents were, and I

3:20

just don't want to be like them. You

3:22

don't want to repeat those mistakes. Yeah. Yeah.

3:25

So I'm hoping like my

3:28

generation is going to do it right. Or

3:31

you're going to break the cycle of bad hosting. You

3:36

know, some of that stuff's epigenetic. They

3:39

find evidence of it in people generations

3:41

later. Yeah. Yeah. Lot

3:44

of hosting trauma. And look at me. Look

3:46

at me. I'm hosting right now. Yeah.

3:50

I feel like I can't escape it. You're

3:52

hosting the greatest generation. There are so

3:54

many people that have told us that

3:57

they started podcasts inspired by ours. So

3:59

in many. Anyways, we

4:01

have already sowed our seed of

4:04

hosting. You know, for a couple of years there, I

4:06

thought I might be too old to host. But

4:09

I think I'm, you know what? I'm getting

4:11

more comfortable with the idea of like, in

4:14

the decades ahead, being an old

4:16

host. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. I think I

4:18

could do that. That'd be cool. Yeah.

4:21

Hey, let me know if you've like, registered

4:23

anywhere for hosting, and I'd

4:25

love to make a special purchase for

4:27

you and your wife. Yeah, I mean,

4:30

Bed Bath & Beyond, because we need the

4:32

linens for hosting, man. We need so many

4:34

linens, and you know, sheets and towels

4:37

primarily are great. You want

4:39

the freshies for the guests, don't you? Ever

4:42

since they became, what, like

4:44

a wholly owned subsidiary of

4:46

overstock.com? Oh yeah. I

4:48

feel like I've really enjoyed buying things

4:50

that were as seen on TV even

4:52

more. Oh yeah, I mean, sometimes you buy a

4:54

cabinet and there's a kid in it. Yeah,

4:57

I don't want one of

4:59

those when I'm hosting. No

5:01

way, that is too much

5:03

responsibility. Well,

5:07

let's get into the episode. We're almost

5:09

halfway through season seven now. It's season

5:12

seven, episode 12, Lineage. Reverse

5:15

course. Unless you've got something a little bigger

5:18

in your torpedo suit, I'm not turning

5:20

around. I mean,

5:22

where does the time go, Ben? I

5:24

mean, the show grows up so fast. Yeah,

5:27

it's the longest, shortest show.

5:32

This cold open is great, and

5:34

I think it needs to be great because

5:37

of how emotionally fraught

5:39

the rest of it is. The

5:41

vibes are immaculate. BLT

5:43

and Paris are in such

5:45

a good mood. Yeah,

5:48

is this Mirror Universe

5:50

or is BLT freshly fucked

5:52

was the question. I

5:55

kept asking myself, like we've never seen their marriage

5:57

going this great. I love

5:59

the. That's. Paris.

6:02

Has here were even. He's a little

6:04

suspicious about what a great mood season

6:06

if. Another beautiful than that, as hot as.

6:08

With you have for breakfast. Egypt.

6:11

As and been. Around as if

6:13

you're climbing with Egypt. See

6:17

takes her good mood to work. See

6:19

it. Walks. Around Engineering is

6:22

Kenneth. Patton. Everybody on the

6:24

back. Telling. Them added attaboy

6:26

at a girl until she finds

6:28

Hm. And there is up

6:30

on the second level do in sense and

6:33

were. Seven. Of

6:35

nine did this. Feel a little off like

6:37

he so fucking happy and then she. Sees

6:39

each kid and whoop! see

6:41

light into I'm from across

6:44

the room. I don't remember giving

6:46

you permission to work. I'm

6:48

sorry lieutenant was it that see didn't

6:50

see seven of nine at first the

6:52

weather's the scene was blocked him and

6:54

the camera angles that they picked Canada

6:57

and. I. Wasn't quite clear

6:59

on what this was because if it's

7:01

just like each app is, not under

7:04

any circumstances, even when being supervised

7:06

allowed. And. Engineering. That's.

7:08

One thing I like your series l

7:10

about. like if you run into your

7:13

teacher at the grocery store. it's just

7:15

like that. As a person I don't

7:17

expect to see here and a fan

7:19

of freaks me out assists, you're gonna

7:22

be really fresh. Air

7:25

Supply sprung a leak in a

7:27

right next to the war for

7:29

I don't know I was excited

7:32

as a half as a settler.

7:34

excessive senator seats as a whole.

7:38

Lot. Of people don't even notice one of. The

7:41

things He offered a job like

7:43

this. I mean, if I could

7:45

hear oral the slopping of this

7:47

week. Ago

7:51

and as a holiday. Program

7:54

where the pipe. So why. would

7:58

i go rock climbing With

8:00

PLC, I'm very far

8:02

down the rock, but I'm still looking

8:04

up. Things

8:07

are looking up for Egypt's brother. I

8:11

believe it. Hey, watch that first step though,

8:13

PLC. Yeah, no kidding.

8:16

She is a weak in the knees

8:18

upon seeing this Borg's in

8:21

her engineering section. You ever think

8:23

about how difficult this might

8:25

be for an actor? Like we've talked about

8:28

act drunk before. We've talked about hanging tear,

8:31

but like kind of a

8:33

slip and fall act, making

8:35

it look plausible, this doesn't look easy. Well,

8:37

Roxanne Dawson started her career as

8:40

a career plaintiff. So she actually

8:43

did have a lot of reps selling

8:46

a bad tumble at

8:48

a grocery store or whatever. She

8:52

starts kind of flopping around like she's

8:55

in something slippery. She really can't

8:57

get her feet under her. Sorry,

8:59

I'll get to that in a minute. That's

9:01

my bad. Should've

9:03

put up a cone. Let

9:08

me just say, Pizzo Mojado.

9:13

I love, like the

9:15

one person BLT doesn't want around,

9:18

as stated, is Egypt. And

9:20

sure as shit, Egypt is the one that gets

9:22

in there first with the tricorder. Yeah.

9:25

I thought it was very funny writing

9:27

that the Borg's don't know where babies

9:30

come from. Yeah. They're like, this has

9:32

parasite written all over it. Second life

9:34

sign from within the same birdie. Oh

9:37

no. Yeah. Yeah,

9:39

it does not look good. Seven

9:42

knows though. Yeah. Seven does the

9:44

math. She radiused up to

9:46

the doctor. This is like a good moment

9:49

for her though, right? She gets so few

9:51

opportunities to be like, Hey, sis.

9:54

I'm going to walk you to six Bay. Like she

9:56

has that moment and

9:58

only that moment. do this, but

10:00

I think it's significant. It

10:03

is. It's a good moment. Yeah. Like that's

10:05

not quite a maternal thing, but

10:08

there's like a thing that

10:10

I feel like, you know, like when my

10:12

wife became pregnant or, um, to cite another

10:14

example, like when your wife decided to host

10:16

some friends, I think that's the one more

10:18

people could relate to. They gather

10:20

women around them to, to kind of,

10:22

you know, this is something that, uh,

10:25

they only, they can relate to on

10:27

a certain level. The hosting showers tonight,

10:29

man. I got to clear out. Oh

10:32

man. And you want to come

10:34

over here and knock back some brewskis with your

10:36

boy. Yeah. Let's do that, man. Let's give him

10:38

a wide berth. So

10:43

when we come back from theme,

10:45

uh, it is Tom and

10:48

Volana meeting with Dr. Mark about

10:50

the news of their, uh, you

10:52

know, their surprise news. It seems,

10:54

seems like, uh, they've been not

10:56

trying, but not not trying. It

10:58

was kind of the vibe I

11:00

got. Yeah. Like they pulled the

11:02

goalie, but they didn't, she wasn't like taking

11:05

her temperature every morning. Ben,

11:07

I'm just going to ask the question. I think it's the

11:09

question on everyone's mind here. There's

11:11

four holes down there, right? Oh

11:13

man. It's

11:16

a real, it's what you call a target rich

11:18

environment when you're a pilot. Even you

11:20

can get laid into a place like this. I

11:22

mean, it's probably the thing that makes Paris

11:25

way to be when answering the question, like

11:27

you've been trying, right? Because sure. I

11:31

mean, sometimes you're going

11:33

to be where you should be. Yeah.

11:35

Yeah. Do

11:38

they really need two buttholes for, for

11:41

redundancy? I

11:43

mean, from what I gather,

11:45

it's total redundancy, right? I

11:48

guess so. Yeah. But third lung, it's

11:50

not total, total. Right.

11:53

I mean, but there's no such thing as a half a

11:55

hole. That's true. You're either a hole or you're not. So,

12:02

yeah, she's seven weeks along. She's

12:05

learning all about it. There's going to

12:07

be some mood swings. You're

12:10

going to have a great big appetite.

12:12

That's one thing I didn't mention, knowing

12:15

I'm going to be hosting soon, is my diet has

12:18

completely flown out off a cliff. I'm

12:21

eating everything I can. I

12:24

didn't say it earlier, but I have

12:26

been meaning to say, I really appreciate

12:28

that when you talk about it, you

12:31

say, we're hosting, not my wife is

12:33

hosting. I know. Yeah. Because

12:35

what it says to me is that you're

12:37

in a mindset and a grind set that

12:40

this is as much your responsibility as it

12:42

is hers. And while her body is bearing

12:44

the brunt of the whole thing. Yeah. Oh,

12:46

wait. I don't want to

12:48

keep going at the back door.

12:51

Yeah. The doctor

12:55

calls their attention to some

12:59

inconveniences about the

13:01

whole human Klingon conception

13:04

combination, right? Yeah. All

13:07

pregnancies are their own

13:09

challenges. And yet this one, for its

13:12

unique properties, could present some even

13:15

more interesting challenges to them. They

13:17

seem to be all right with this. What

13:19

they are not all right with is knowing the gender at this

13:21

point. Yeah. They're going to

13:23

leave that a secret. How

13:26

about with your out of town guests, do you know

13:28

yet? Well,

13:31

Ben, we got both pink

13:33

and blue solo cups for

13:36

the partying. So I think,

13:39

well, you know what? Some people

13:41

might find it really like hyper progressive,

13:43

but I'm going to let the guests

13:45

choose what cups they use. Hell

13:47

yeah. One more fill in them up with beverages

13:50

right on. So yeah, they,

13:52

they're not going to be cutting into

13:54

a solo cup and revealing what, what

13:57

color the beverages inside. This is definitely

13:59

the era. where like a

14:01

torpedo launch ceremony on Star Trek

14:03

could be the gender

14:05

reveal party of its era,

14:08

right? They

14:12

set a nebula on fire in the color

14:14

of. They're

14:17

happy. They're like bickering a little bit,

14:19

but it's because they're overwhelmed. But

14:22

most importantly, as they walk down

14:24

the hallway after this doctor

14:27

visit, they agree that

14:29

this is going to be a secret

14:31

that they revealed to people later.

14:35

That's right. And the mood in

14:37

this corridor, this is a corridor

14:39

episode, not unlike the very last

14:41

episode, which was also like using

14:43

the corridor conversation as

14:45

a space between story beats.

14:48

Like the corridors tell the

14:50

emotional story of this episode

14:52

throughout. And in this corridor

14:54

scene, the mood's a little

14:56

different. Like they're in full on

14:58

planning mode the way I am right now. Planning

15:02

on doing a grocery trip tonight.

15:04

Yeah. And, you know, wondering

15:07

whether you're going to need to like

15:09

reconfigure your house. Like is the home

15:11

office going to have to change

15:13

functions? Sure. Yeah. Do

15:16

we have enough brod? Really top

15:18

of mind right now. Yeah. No

15:21

sooner have they agreed that the baby

15:23

is going to be a secret than

15:26

Tom walks into Neeluk's

15:34

restaurant to almost

15:36

like surprise party. It'd be like if you had

15:38

a surprise party, but it was just Neeluk's and

15:40

then a bunch of people from central casting and

15:42

none of your friends. Or

15:46

for you, it's like just a lot of

15:48

barbecue. Yeah. You

15:52

shouldn't have. I

15:56

like Neeluk's. Neeluk's can't help that he

15:58

wasn't supposed to know. He offers

16:00

Paris a glass of the blue drink of

16:02

Egypt running his fucking mouth. It's

16:05

Egypt's fault, right? It's not Neelix's fault.

16:07

Yeah. Well, you know, I'm

16:09

sure you can relate to this. You're the only one

16:11

that can enjoy the blue drink right now. Yeah.

16:16

Yeah. Are you just...

16:19

This is a serious question now for

16:21

you. Are

16:24

people just allowed to fucking campaign

16:26

for Godfather? Did

16:29

that ever happen to you? No. I

16:32

am shocked that this is a thing

16:34

that pervades this entire episode. I thought

16:36

you were nominated. I never thought you

16:39

campaigned for it. Yeah. Maybe

16:41

this is like a small town thing.

16:43

Like the Voyager crew

16:46

is so up each other's asses because there's only

16:48

125 of them or whatever

16:50

that if you don't put

16:52

your foot forward, like somebody else is going to get

16:54

it and then that's just going to be drama. Yeah,

16:58

you what, man? I'm looking for less jobs

17:00

if I'm on Voyager. Pay me out

17:02

of that. Yeah. So,

17:05

yeah, Neelix, the cook and

17:07

the head of, I

17:10

guess, morale and head

17:12

diplomat of the ship wants

17:14

to also become a Godfather for the

17:16

second time. And Paris

17:18

is a little irritated about everybody knowing.

17:21

I like this, this Talaxian saying

17:24

Omar Salas, good news has no

17:26

clothes. In our culture,

17:28

it's the Emperor. Yeah.

17:34

I like the idea of,

17:36

and I don't know whether this is

17:38

true. I've never been a Godfather nor

17:40

do I know any Godfathers, but like

17:42

I kind of feel like their role

17:45

is grandmother or grandfatherly in that like,

17:47

if you were a morale officer on

17:49

a ship, grandparents are

17:51

often like the morale officers of

17:53

a family. Like I have

17:56

great memories of my grandparents just being

17:58

the folks that gave me the

18:00

greatest time and then handed me

18:02

back like what a great role

18:04

to have yeah the

18:06

surprise party for BLT is a little

18:09

bit fancier it is the commander

18:12

and captain showing up at

18:14

her her job and offering her a bunch

18:16

of paid time off which

18:19

is nice to see you know nobody's offering that

18:21

to Paris you know work to be done in

18:23

that area for sure yeah

18:26

yeah the disparity between

18:28

treatment here really troubling

18:31

don't like seeing it yeah and

18:33

that's why I just as a co-owner

18:36

of Oxford Shimono do want to offer you

18:39

paid time off for when you have have

18:41

town guests at him that's great I plan

18:43

on as soon as this record is done

18:46

turning the out-of-office on on the

18:48

email and calling it a couple

18:50

days as well you should coffee

18:52

in that they're very

18:55

thrilled for her and you

18:58

know she's kind of give me a break like I'm

19:01

gonna keep coming to work if the

19:03

only tension in the episode was the doting

19:05

I would feel like that was sufficient I

19:07

thought that's what this episode was gonna be

19:09

like BLT cannot deal with

19:11

the doting yeah if you need to

19:13

cut back on your duties I'm sure seven would be happy

19:15

to fill in for you I think I can

19:17

handle it I mean even Harry's doing it

19:20

right Harry yeah catches Tom in

19:22

the hallway says like you're gonna you're gonna

19:24

become a square man like you're you're gonna

19:26

stop being awesome you're gonna

19:28

stop doing like bad shit with

19:30

your friends mm-hmm sucks yeah

19:32

you gotta stop smoking real cigarettes I

19:35

lasted 22 minutes you know

19:37

what crucially Harry Kim does not ask

19:40

to be godfather cuz he knows better

19:42

he doesn't want that responsibility no way

19:45

shows a little bit of tax you know mm-hmm

19:48

is it just like you have to have a higher

19:51

rank than lieutenant to

19:54

to be the godfather of a lieutenant's

19:56

child oh that's interesting if that's part

19:58

of the equation Huh? Hmm.

20:03

Hmm. Maybe but he doesn't ask

20:05

if nominated he will not run Elected

20:09

he will not serve. Yeah In

20:12

the Jeffries tube where to VOC

20:15

is working a very interesting scene

20:17

happens. Paris has never in

20:20

his entire career volunteered for

20:22

extra work and this

20:24

really fucks with to VOC big time

20:26

you can see the architecture of His

20:30

mental defenses completely fracture

20:32

here He

20:34

starts taking his track order to

20:37

Tom and is like I am

20:39

detecting a parasite Yeah,

20:43

incredible Too much doesn't drink

20:45

tea that's been spilled by other folks. He

20:47

had no idea That

20:49

Paris is about to have guests

20:52

and Paris does that thing where he starts like

20:55

nervously talking About his feelings

20:57

just word vomiting all over

20:59

to back. It's interesting. Like I

21:01

guess this isn't really a security issue So

21:05

maybe that's why to walk hasn't heard it

21:08

was interesting to me that like The

21:10

guys that's supposed to be on top of everything that's

21:12

going on on the ship is

21:14

the last to know about something like this

21:17

But yeah, Paris is like, okay.

21:19

Well, I'm gonna be a father like can

21:22

you give me the the high level? Like what

21:24

do you do? And too big is

21:26

like no That

21:30

works The

21:33

way to VOC describes it

21:35

makes it seem as though parenthood

21:37

is the most difficult challenge

21:40

of being a logical Vulcan Yeah

21:44

Talking your kids into being logical sounds

21:46

hard as fuck. Yeah, but

21:48

also like not like kids do very

21:50

much like experiment and learn from the

21:52

world by You

21:55

know trying trying stuff in a in

21:57

a way that's like not unscientific at

22:01

least initially, I mean, I don't know. They're also

22:03

very much not logical, but. Yeah, I

22:05

mean, they're dumb as hell for

22:07

a long time. Yeah, so

22:10

you gotta anticipate paradox. That's the

22:12

little nugget of advice that he

22:14

comes up with. I love that

22:16

Tuvok doesn't give advice, but

22:19

rather just an observation after

22:23

being a father for a couple

22:25

of kids, right? This is what it was like

22:28

for me. This is how I saw it. Good

22:30

luck. Yeah. That night, it

22:32

feels like BLT is escaping

22:34

the rest of the ship by coming

22:36

home, right? Like he almost comes into

22:38

the quarters and like barricades the door

22:40

behind her. Yeah,

22:43

I mean, everybody

22:45

has, through offering their well

22:47

wishes offered a lot

22:49

of thoughts and they are both kind

22:51

of decompressing by just going like, hey,

22:55

I wish everybody would fucking chill out

22:57

and keep those things to themselves. And

23:00

she's really going through it. That's a

23:02

heavy burden. It's falling

23:04

disproportionately on her. This

23:07

is not the greatest moment for Tom to

23:10

make a little race joke. Oh yeah.

23:12

People should know better than to interfere

23:14

with a Klingon mother. What's

23:16

that supposed to mean? Yeah, I mean,

23:18

this is a sensitive time. You

23:21

gotta be really sure about the jokes in

23:24

this scene if you're Tom Paris. Yeah,

23:26

it really sets her off and

23:29

she's about to boil over when she kind

23:31

of catches herself. And she'll go, right, the

23:34

doctor told us that these are gonna be

23:36

high stakes emotional times with all the hormones

23:38

coursing through my birdie. Incredible

23:41

moment of science fiction here. I

23:47

mean, wow. A

23:51

person catching themselves before

23:54

the boilover? It's amazing.

23:57

Especially amazing for BLT. Like I

23:59

feel like she's... the character that has

24:01

been written to be the one to

24:03

boil over fastest

24:05

and most often on this crew.

24:09

But this scene ends really

24:11

nicely with them committing

24:13

to this being a thing that they get to

24:15

go through together and it's not about all these

24:17

other people and their unasked-for opinions.

24:19

Boy, if they think this is

24:21

the challenge that they're going through

24:23

primarily, things really get kicked off in

24:26

Six Bay where the doctor is called

24:28

them. In the middle of

24:30

the room, they see a messed up spine

24:32

projected to them and it

24:35

runs in the family for

24:37

BLT. There's a pronounced curvature to

24:39

the left and Tom is like, this is

24:41

from my dick, isn't it?

24:44

Yeah. Yeah.

24:49

Paris doesn't bottom out at

24:51

cervix. He bottoms out at

24:53

like D12 vertebrae. Am

24:58

I making any sense here? There's

25:01

something that runs in BLT's

25:03

family. She

25:14

had to have surgery on her spine

25:16

when she was a girl and

25:19

when the doctor mentions

25:21

that this is much more likely

25:23

to affect girls than boys in

25:26

Klingon genetics, they

25:28

sort of catch on. I

25:31

loved Robert Picardo's performance

25:33

of trying to grab the words and shove them

25:35

back into his mouth. He

25:39

spills the beans. Oh

25:41

man, you might as well just tell us it's

25:44

a girl. What a moment. So

25:47

Paris is like, cool spine bro. What

25:50

do you think about doing a

25:52

holographic ultrasound and show us the

25:54

whole birdie? And

25:57

it's easy. Of course he can do

25:59

that. can and they

26:01

do and the doctor

26:03

beeps some boops and

26:06

hits a button and it's the

26:08

dancing baby from Ally McBeal.

26:14

Uga-chaka. Uga-chaka.

26:21

I do not remember if there

26:24

are any other words to

26:26

that song. I can't

26:29

stop this feeling because

26:31

I do not remember

26:34

why I am having them. If

26:39

you can fix the spine

26:41

genetically, can you fix the

26:44

frontal lobe? You

26:48

gotta think that maybe Kern

26:50

or one of Kern's friends took

26:53

him to the doctor and was like, can

26:55

you sort of like reversing a vasectomy? You

26:58

can unscramble this egg.

27:01

This guy is a pain

27:03

in the ass. I

27:10

mean he keeps it interesting down there,

27:12

but you're in TSA, but honestly we

27:14

could use somebody that had a little

27:16

bit more than a three second span

27:19

of memory. We

27:21

get a flashback here kind

27:23

of abruptly to a campfire

27:25

scene and a stranger telling

27:27

BLT that she looks

27:29

like her mother. And I

27:31

seem to think that this man looks

27:34

like Lloyd Braun in

27:38

the friskulating campfire light. You

27:41

never could compete with Lloyd

27:43

Braun! But like recast later

27:45

season Lloyd Braun. Not hunky,

27:47

like still works for the

27:49

mayor pre-going to the

27:51

insane asylum Lloyd Braun. I

27:54

think there's a lot of trust

27:56

put on the viewer in how

27:58

these flaps are going to be flashbacks are

28:01

deployed because this

28:03

flashback tells you

28:05

almost nothing. It's just a little snip before

28:07

we're back out of it. And many flashbacks

28:10

are kind of untethered

28:12

to the story

28:15

as it moves forward. You're just like

28:17

dropping little clues that don't

28:19

really have a conclusion. This

28:22

one seems to have been triggered by

28:24

Paris kind of innocently suggesting that their

28:27

daughter is going to look a lot

28:29

like her mother, BLT. And

28:33

that is revealed to be

28:35

kind of an unwelcome thought based

28:37

on the flashback and BLT's face

28:39

when we cut back from it.

28:42

And BLT eyes to commercial and

28:44

then BLT eyes from commercial where

28:47

she's now lying in bed just kind of lost

28:49

in thought. I feel like

28:52

they reconfigured their quarters. This

28:54

bed situation looks

28:56

different from before, right? The

28:59

headboard is enormous. I

29:01

mean, this is a starship. You're really using

29:03

that much of the confined

29:05

space you have on headboard.

29:09

I can't agree with this as a

29:12

decorating decision. It's too much headboard.

29:15

Yeah. It's so big. It's

29:17

like that carpeted headboard, you know, that's like meant

29:20

to, it's meant to be the sort of thing

29:22

you can lay up against without the need for

29:24

a pillow or whatever, like to read a book.

29:28

I don't think they're using that for book reading, man.

29:30

I think they're knocking it out

29:32

with that headboard. You think it's an accommodator

29:34

headboard? I think it's absolutely

29:36

an accommodator. Amazing.

29:44

I suppose if you're Paris, you really

29:46

need the pelvis up in

29:48

a way that you can observe all four holes.

29:51

You really need to figure it out. Yeah. Four

29:54

itty bitty book lights and

29:56

a headboard like that to know what you're

29:59

doing. Yeah, complicated

30:01

job of spelunking down there. I'm

30:04

sorry. I've had to

30:06

take it all at once. I mean, BLT

30:09

is disturbed, but Paris

30:12

is not fully concerned

30:14

about her at the

30:17

moment. Like tomorrow's the date

30:19

of the procedure, the spine

30:21

fixing procedure. Doesn't

30:23

seem like there's a lot to worry about,

30:25

but like every surgery is serious,

30:28

I guess, no matter what century

30:30

you're in. So, yeah, she's a

30:32

preoccupied. Yeah. And I

30:34

think you can probably, I

30:37

mean, when you've got out of town

30:39

guests coming, sometimes you can find yourself

30:41

just lost in thought thinking about, you

30:44

know, what's it going to be like? What's,

30:46

yeah, what's this going to mean? There's

30:49

a quality to having guests from out

30:52

of town visit where you just

30:54

need to be open to the mystery of it

30:56

too. Like you can't try to force it into

30:58

being a thing. It's just going to be the

31:00

thing that it is. Right. In

31:02

many ways, it's going to show you what kind of thing it

31:05

is. Yeah. We

31:07

get a flashback here. This is not

31:09

a dream. I think that's important, even

31:11

though it's a scene of bed rest.

31:13

We're back at that camping trip and

31:16

there's young BLT and

31:18

there's your dad and she wants

31:20

to go fishing with her dad and

31:23

her dad's brother. She does not want

31:26

to go hiking with the other kids because she

31:28

thinks that the other kids don't like her. Well,

31:31

it's either that or she's worried she's going to kick

31:33

one of them out. I

31:45

think there's got

31:48

to be rules about Klingon

31:50

kids hanging out with human

31:52

kids. Sports

31:54

are not on the table. They

32:01

have to have their own league, right? Once

32:03

you kick your friend's head off, there's

32:06

no going back from that. How

32:10

badly did you want that to be the story

32:12

here? So

32:14

profoundly badly. Basically, we're at the

32:16

half mark of the episode and

32:18

I'm disappointed from here on. Yeah.

32:23

Yeah, they don't make a lot of

32:25

BLT's .5x strength by being

32:27

half Klingon. Yeah.

32:34

Yeah. Maybe what's so terrifying about

32:36

her strength is that she wouldn't kick the

32:38

head off. She would just grotesquely

32:41

maim it. She'd

32:44

kick and just fucking cave that thing

32:46

in like a flattened soccer ball. Yeah,

32:48

Cousin Bean is going to survive, but

32:51

what kind of life is he going

32:53

to live? I

32:56

mean, the thing that no one says, but you know they're

32:58

thinking it is like it probably would have been better if

33:01

the head flew off. It's

33:08

got full separation. So,

33:27

the next morning, Paris is making

33:30

peanut butter sandwiches for breakfast for

33:32

some reason. This is my breakfast.

33:35

Peanut butter toast. Oh yeah, like an open-faced

33:37

peanut butter sandwich? Oh yeah. Love

33:40

it. Four days out of five. Peanut

33:43

butter toast. Amazing. Love it. Put

33:45

a fried egg on that or? Not on peanut butter.

33:50

So, she's like heading out the

33:52

door for the procedure and they

33:54

get in sort of a like,

33:56

are you also coming Tom chicken

33:58

game that results? and Tom

34:00

letting her go solo, which

34:02

I think is

34:05

a huge... I think

34:07

this is the original sin Tom Paris

34:09

makes in this episode. I had two

34:12

competing thoughts about this choice Paris makes.

34:15

One is you gotta

34:17

feel obligated to go to this and you gotta

34:20

go right through the defenses in order to do

34:22

it. But also, if

34:25

you don't go to this, you've

34:28

set up an expectation that maybe you

34:30

don't go to all the things. Maybe

34:33

that's just how it is between

34:35

you two. And I like that a lot.

34:39

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34:42

going to it all. I

34:44

wouldn't do it all. I went to every single one. I

34:47

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35:03

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35:05

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35:07

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35:09

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35:13

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gets to Tick Bay, and

39:09

Dr. Mark is bragging on

39:12

how he's loaded a bunch

39:14

of obstetrics and pediatrics information

39:16

into his database. Ensign

39:18

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39:21

the corner, and you can just see a

39:23

Dixon Ticonderoga snap

39:26

in her fist when she hears this. You

39:29

did it for her? Yeah, it

39:31

kind of feels like sort of that

39:33

quality where parents say that they dote

39:35

over the first and kind of let

39:37

the second do whatever. This is

39:40

sort of the opposite of that in

39:42

doctoring. Yeah, no kidding. He's

39:44

got all these things planned for,

39:47

you know, a Lamaze class, and

39:49

parenting seminars, and

39:51

all these things. And this

39:53

is all stuff that he's telling her about

39:55

as he gets her ready for her procedure,

39:58

which, uh, We don't

40:00

get to see instead we get

40:02

another flashback and this

40:04

is the one where where Dean

40:07

puts a worm on Young

40:09

BLT sandwich tries

40:11

to make her eat a peanut butter

40:14

and gosh sandwich fucking Dean man He's

40:17

always doing this Yeah,

40:19

this is the thing about like little

40:21

kids who who torture worms Gotta

40:25

keep an eye on Dean. I think yeah

40:27

now on he grew up to

40:30

be the head of academics and student

40:33

performance at a college Damn.

40:37

Yeah, that's tough sick sick

40:39

shit back in

40:41

six Bay Even

40:43

though the procedure was performed

40:45

in almost total darkness Which

40:50

as a patient I wouldn't prefer that you

40:52

could tell me that it's just better for the mood I

40:55

don't like that one bit. Yeah, why'd you

40:57

put on Marvin Gaye? What's

41:00

that about great success is

41:02

this procedure? Yeah but

41:04

next stop is that hollow

41:07

lab and The

41:10

LT fires up that image

41:12

of their unborn baby and

41:15

then starts like Making modifications.

41:17

She like has the computer project to

41:19

12 years old And

41:21

then she starts doing like Gattaca to get

41:24

the ridges off of this baby's head I

41:27

could have lived in this scene for

41:29

another five minutes. Yeah, show me like

41:31

the alien resurrection versions

41:34

of the daughter like like she makes a

41:36

mistake genetically and she's like, oh God

41:42

I put that one back Yeah,

41:45

I did want to see I did want to see

41:47

horror show child I also like

41:50

I you always want horror show child to

41:52

say kill me You

41:55

do you really do what would

41:57

this kid look like without a stupid hair?

42:00

Can we see that version? Yeah computer

42:02

that'd be nice BLT

42:06

like even though the the

42:08

child as depicted is

42:10

not grotesque BLT

42:12

can barely look at her Yeah until

42:14

she starts deleting some genes and

42:17

the tinkering finally gets her to a point where the

42:19

daughter Does not have forehead

42:22

ridges. Yeah. Now. This is a

42:25

daughter she can look at Yeah, a

42:27

blonde and so she

42:29

takes this information to mark who is

42:31

really pissed about this idea It's

42:34

kind of weird that her version of

42:36

genetic perfection is blonde and blue eyed.

42:38

Yeah. Yikes Star Trek. I Was

42:43

kind of surprised that no discussion

42:46

at all came up

42:48

in this episode of like the rules

42:50

inside the Federation of not Messing with

42:52

your kids genetically like did

42:54

dr. Bashir like make a

42:56

precedent that that's not an issue anymore or something

42:59

I mean who's gonna know they're all the way

43:01

out there Yeah, I

43:03

guess so and if you can

43:05

reprogram the doctor, he reprogram or something who

43:08

fucking cares Yeah, so

43:10

if doctor says no ask dad

43:12

and she goes and talks to

43:14

Paris about it And it's

43:17

another big big argument and

43:19

it's a total non-starter for Paris like

43:21

he is Saying

43:24

like I love you the way you are and

43:26

I want our kid to look like you because

43:28

that's the person I love and Like

43:31

stripping all your genetics out is is

43:33

no good And then

43:35

we smash cut to the ready

43:37

room where they've sort of made Janeway

43:40

into the ship's couples counselor Since

43:42

the days of the first wooden vessels

43:44

been all ship masters have had one

43:46

happy privilege that have Genetically

43:49

modifying the unborn children of two

43:51

people they've united in the

43:54

bonds of matrimony She

43:58

does not relish this I'm not

44:00

exactly sure what you want me to

44:02

do lawyer BLT whips out some

44:04

interesting Precedence on the

44:07

captain Namely that she

44:09

did the same thing to seven when

44:11

seven came aboard. Yeah Not

44:14

the same. Hmm. Is

44:17

is her argument? Yeah and

44:19

Paris's argument She cannot

44:21

nope out of this fast enough. Yeah,

44:23

she's sort of it's like the Supreme Court

44:26

declining to hear a case You

44:28

know, yeah, you're tuning to work this out. I

44:32

Love that just left hanging at the end of

44:34

this scene and then the next scene is Tom

44:36

showing up at Harry's like Can I sleep on

44:39

your couch, bro? Unspoken

44:43

but I think inferred this

44:45

season is Kim's instrument

44:47

change to the alto sax Yeah,

44:50

what's that about? I mean I also Switched

44:53

from clarinet to alto sax I think

44:55

this is the woodwind progression that

44:58

you go through from middle school to high school But

45:01

I wonder what happened. I mean the

45:03

alto sax seems to be a

45:05

sexier instrument Oh sure. So so maybe

45:07

he's just you know, he doesn't want

45:09

to play with a handicap anymore. Yeah.

45:11

Yeah The ladies this

45:14

appears to be a thing that's happened

45:16

many times before like Paris

45:18

has a go-bag Harry

45:21

Kim does have the sheets that fit his

45:23

couch and boy You really

45:25

need to use those sheets on Harry Kim's couch

45:28

because if you didn't That

45:30

thing is gonna look like nuclear waste

45:32

under a blacklight, right? He was dating

45:34

the obvious again Yeah,

45:38

so they get him set up and I

45:41

like the conversation. I liked Harry Kim's advice

45:43

of like hey, maybe if you had a

45:45

conversation with her about this In

45:48

a way that validates all of the

45:50

things she's feeling and doesn't put her

45:52

on the defensive and immediately She'd

45:55

be willing to hear your side of things. It's

45:57

like like I'm gonna do that The

46:01

woman that bought me a tube television so

46:04

I could watch my old shows? No way. I'm

46:08

glad that this episode didn't

46:10

lean fully into like

46:13

Paris is a classic

46:15

man. You know,

46:17

who likes classic things, including

46:20

classic male opinions

46:22

and a classic male pattern of argument.

46:25

Like I think this

46:28

episode makes the case that, you know,

46:30

Tom Paris is trying and he has

46:32

a great sense of compassion. And I

46:35

think the episode chooses the

46:37

side pretty much throughout and it

46:39

makes BLT seem pretty unreasonable in

46:42

how she's acting for a long, long, long

46:44

portion of this episode. Yeah,

46:46

not necessarily unreasonable, but another

46:49

shoe has yet to drop

46:51

with BLT. Right. Yeah.

46:54

And I think that's a good item. Like if

46:56

in the run up to you're out of town

46:58

guests coming, if anything comes up

47:00

where you need to crash on my couch

47:02

over here, you know, my couch is your

47:04

couch. It's like the more I

47:06

think about it, there's a not insignificant

47:09

part of me that is like not

47:11

ready for this. Yeah. And

47:13

I kind of just want to cancel the whole thing. Yeah,

47:16

but that's a two person decision and

47:18

it's really just a one person decision

47:20

and you're not that person. You

47:23

know, like I think that there's something really

47:25

powerful about surrendering to the

47:28

fact that after your

47:30

guests arrive, your life will never be

47:32

the same. Yeah, I

47:34

don't know if I'm ready for that kind of surrender. So

47:39

is it another like BLT getting into bed

47:41

and it's a flashback and not a dream,

47:43

which I think

47:45

I was confused both times. I'm like, is she dreaming

47:47

this? Nope. Like we come

47:49

back and she's still in her bed

47:51

awake. But don't you prefer the lack

47:53

of embellishment here? Like I'm glad there's

47:56

not like a blinding white flash of

47:58

light and a sound of effect

48:00

and like a music bed

48:02

or whatever. Like I don't need any of

48:04

that. These are not

48:06

magic flashbacks. They are just regular ass

48:10

human memories. This isn't a spirit quest.

48:12

Three quarter human memory, half human memories.

48:14

Fuck. Oh no. But

48:18

this is kind of the long one. This is

48:20

where we find out what is really eaten BLT. Ha.

48:26

She's like run off into the woods and

48:28

her dad and uncle come

48:30

back and are looking for her, she

48:32

comes back and her cousins kind of

48:34

fess up, they admit to what

48:37

they did and then later

48:40

that night her dad tells

48:42

her like, you gotta just let this stuff run

48:44

off your back and not be so sensitive about

48:46

racism. And she's like easy

48:48

for you to say dad. And

48:50

then later still dad is

48:52

like sitting at the campfire drinking

48:54

beers with his brother and

48:57

she is overhearing him just like vent

49:00

to his brother about how hard raising

49:02

a young half Klingon is and

49:05

how their mom predicted

49:07

that he wouldn't be up to living with a Klingon

49:09

and now he lives with two. You

49:12

gotta do better if you're

49:14

the dad here about maybe taking

49:17

this conversation down to the river,

49:19

away from the campsite. Let's go

49:21

do a night fish or something.

49:24

Yeah. Don't do this with an

49:26

earshot of a tent. A tent doesn't block sound.

49:29

Is this how BLT was

49:31

radicalized into the make-wease? Make-wease?

49:37

You can see it. Yeah. Yeah.

49:40

I mean, between how, how

49:43

little the, the John Snores story

49:45

moves the needle and the over

49:47

here, he's in an

49:49

unrecoverable kind of a dad

49:51

spin. Yeah. Don't like it.

49:53

Unforced error by John Torres.

50:04

The next morning BLT is at

50:06

work and Chakotay grams her

50:08

to go get coffee. They

50:11

run into time in the hallway on Chakotay. Chakotay

50:13

knows when to get the fuck out. God, Chakotay

50:16

is such a bro. Yeah. He's

50:19

the best. He's had a good run of

50:21

episodes. He really has. After being

50:23

largely ignored for the last couple of seasons,

50:26

I feel like he's finishing strong here.

50:29

Chakotay's back, baby. He's

50:31

back. Yeah. Yeah. He

50:35

goes to get a pad and

50:37

a little awkward interaction between Tom

50:39

and BLT who spent the night

50:41

apart. We learn that

50:43

Harry is a hot room sleeper.

50:47

I just can't get with this. Yeah. This

50:50

fundamentally changes how I feel about Harry

50:52

Kim. I know, man. I

50:55

thought he was the person I admired most. Now

50:58

this? He's

51:01

got a saxophone out in the open with

51:04

warm spit in it in

51:07

his room. Yeah. You think

51:09

that couch sleeps warm also? I think it

51:11

does. Yeah. That

51:13

looks like, I mean, it's

51:15

not going to breathe. The fabric is

51:18

impregnated with protein. Yeah. Oof.

51:22

Do not like knowing that. So

51:25

they get called the six bay before they even make

51:27

it to breakfast. Turns out Mark

51:29

has had a change of heart. He's looked

51:31

over the genetic alterations

51:33

that BLT has proposed.

51:37

And not only can they

51:39

happen, they must happen because

51:41

otherwise, degradation.

51:44

The kid wouldn't be viable. This

51:47

is a really good depiction of

51:49

a patient getting

51:52

a second opinion. Even

51:55

in the 24th century, Paris is like,

51:57

huh. Interesting.

52:00

I don't know much about this shit. I'm

52:02

a pilot. So he takes

52:04

the doctor's prognosis over to the

52:07

ass lab for seven and Egypt to look

52:09

at. And he's like, hey

52:11

Egypt, can you look at this? Oh

52:14

hey Egypt brother. Hey Egypt. Egypt

52:18

clocks the problem right away.

52:20

He's on this. Because his

52:22

people know everything about genetics.

52:26

So yeah, he's like this dude

52:28

didn't carry the one. All of

52:30

this math is fucked up. Something's wrong

52:32

here. Egypt like

52:34

turns over the pad and is like, yeah

52:36

if you go through with these genetic modifications,

52:39

this is what your daughter's going to look

52:41

like. And the pad's turned away from camera

52:43

and all you see is Paris' react. This

52:47

is B. Dunks' best moment here.

52:52

And you just hear from the pad,

52:54

kill me. So

53:02

they got to get to Six Bay. They got to

53:04

get on top of this. Because BLT's

53:06

now picking up the phone. This

53:09

feels dangerous. Like

53:11

right now the mood change in

53:13

this episode, it kind

53:16

of gave me chills. Yeah, there is like

53:18

a real horror element. Like she went into

53:20

the code of the doctor and changed him

53:22

to do something that she wanted him to

53:24

do. That subtle touch of

53:27

making the procedure done in low

53:29

light I think also creeps out

53:31

the whole scene. Yeah,

53:34

it gives it a real schism vibe.

53:36

Yeah, yeah. Computer

53:38

dim light. Six

53:40

Bay has been like cut off from the rest of the

53:42

ship and they have to like force the door and stuff.

53:46

I love the suction cup door prop that

53:48

they have used for like decades

53:50

in Star Trek. Yeah. Give

53:53

me that once a season. Yeah.

53:55

BLT is wild for this one. And

53:58

they put a stop. to this procedure.

54:01

You know, the doctors shut off

54:03

and the security guys give the

54:05

squabbling couple a moment. This

54:07

is where things really come to a head and

54:09

she kind of spills about what happened on this

54:11

camping trip and how having

54:14

heard the stuff that her dad

54:16

said to her uncle after

54:19

they thought she'd gone to sleep, she

54:22

told her dad, maybe you'd be happy or

54:24

living somewhere else. And he actually

54:27

took that advice and

54:29

acted on it and moved out and she

54:31

never heard from him again. He went out

54:33

for a pack of Klingon cigarettes. Do

54:38

those have two filters or how does that

54:40

work? The

54:42

lung cancer picture warning on the

54:45

pack are like three diseased lungs.

54:47

You actually have to fold it

54:50

out like wallet-sized photographs. It's

54:57

interesting because she tells

54:59

this story and it does take a few

55:01

beats for Paris to do the math on.

55:03

She is assuming that history

55:06

is going to repeat itself and that

55:08

this daughter will have the same horrible

55:10

experience being treated badly

55:12

by other children and then Tom

55:15

Paris will leave her. And I

55:19

love the bit that Paris does

55:21

here because he takes a like a

55:23

manila envelope and reaches into it and he

55:25

says, well, what the results I

55:27

have here say is I am not your

55:31

father. And BLT just

55:33

runs around, takes a break going, whoa,

55:36

yeah. You

55:41

got to remember like in the late nineties,

55:43

this is how announcements like

55:46

this took place. It

55:49

changes the mood when she realizes he's

55:51

not her father. I think

55:54

B. Dunks and Roxanne Dawson do

55:56

so much more here than what's on the page. And

56:00

I think very

56:02

specifically like the beginning of this scene,

56:04

I resisted wanting

56:07

to go along with them on whatever

56:09

it was that they were doing. Like

56:12

it felt to me in the beginning of the

56:14

scene what BLT was doing was

56:17

dangerous and hard to

56:19

forgive. Yeah. And

56:21

most definitely puts their relationship

56:23

in jeopardy. And

56:25

what they were able to do is act

56:27

through a scene that made it plausible, believable,

56:30

and acceptable for them

56:32

to reconcile by the

56:34

end of it. And I could not

56:36

have predicted that because I felt

56:39

like the whole BLT dug was way too

56:41

deep. Yeah, I think

56:43

like you could bury a 12-year-old quarter

56:46

Klingon, three-quarter human child

56:48

in it. No,

56:53

I think you're making a good point. I think it's

56:55

really well written, but I think it's superlative acting because

56:59

it's what you want at this point in an episode.

57:01

Like how are they going to get out of this

57:03

one? But it's so rare in

57:06

Star Trek for that to just be an interpersonal

57:08

conundrum between two characters. It's like

57:11

barely a science fiction problem in

57:13

this story. I

57:15

mean, like they put some fun science fiction clothes

57:17

on this, but ultimately this

57:19

is a story about a

57:22

character who has a really

57:24

deep conflict about her mixed

57:27

heritage and is

57:30

acting irrationally to try and forestall

57:32

the kind of pain she experiences

57:35

a child from splashing over onto

57:38

her own child. And

57:41

that causing a giant rift in

57:43

her present-day relationship. And I think

57:46

it's super relatable and super

57:49

well executed. I

57:51

think one of the things Paris does here, which

57:54

I think is instructive for anyone

57:57

in a relationship really, and this

57:59

is a mistake. make too often.

58:02

I can be the sort of arguer that

58:04

like is so rational, like

58:06

I can't get on the emotional page

58:08

of the person I'm in an argument

58:10

with, and that can be really

58:12

irritating to the person that I'm arguing with

58:14

who wants to argue

58:18

in emotional territory using emotional

58:20

terms. And when Paris sees

58:23

that that is the ground that

58:25

BLT is covering, does

58:27

not choose to say like, look I can't

58:29

promise it'll be forever because that's a crazy

58:31

promise to make. The way a

58:33

rational person would be thinking, instead

58:36

he promises baby baby I'm gonna be

58:38

there forever for you in

58:40

the way that I think you

58:42

have to. Yeah. Good

58:45

job Paris. Yeah. Good job

58:47

BLT. We get a EMH's

58:51

log. Mark is real happy

58:53

to be back to Norm Z's. BLT

58:56

comes around to apologize for messing

58:58

with his program. Not sufficient

59:01

BLT. Like I didn't

59:04

you want someone to not forgive

59:06

her? Yeah. Like she really fucked a

59:08

lot of things up. I love the

59:10

way he takes this he's like, I

59:13

don't know what I did to

59:15

deserve your disrespect. And

59:17

she's like hey that gives me a great

59:19

idea. I wonder if you'd like to be

59:21

her godfather. Wow. That's

59:24

great man. Did

59:26

you like the episode Adam? You know I'm not going

59:29

to be able to get along with you.

59:32

But I don't like it. I don't want to

59:34

be there. I don't want to be there.

59:37

I found this episode deeply

59:40

uncomfortable. Well

59:44

cuz you're going through right now you

59:46

got out-of-town guests coming. At some points

59:48

in this episode not

59:51

enjoyable. And

59:54

I think it's because you don't

59:57

often see Star Trek

1:00:00

goes this hard with

1:00:02

two characters going hard at each other. Like

1:00:05

there's a lot of superficial arguing in Star

1:00:07

Trek, but this one really goes deep.

1:00:10

And you know, out of one side of

1:00:12

my mouth, I was like, I

1:00:14

really praised how the

1:00:17

episode came

1:00:19

to its climax and resolution in

1:00:21

that scene at the end

1:00:23

because it was so well performed. But

1:00:26

it's really hard to forgive what BLT did.

1:00:29

And even though Paris and

1:00:31

like to a separate

1:00:33

and different degree, Dr. Mark do forgive BLT,

1:00:37

I don't know if I could forgive what

1:00:40

is basically like kidnapping

1:00:42

and mutilation on the

1:00:44

table here. Like that's

1:00:46

really tough. And it's

1:00:49

a magic trick this episode performs to sort

1:00:51

of be like, forgive and

1:00:53

forget and

1:00:55

move on. But like this is

1:00:57

one of those episodes that does not

1:00:59

conform to real life in a way

1:01:02

that is plausible or believable. Like this

1:01:04

is a satisfying science fiction show ending because

1:01:06

that's sort of the way it has to

1:01:08

be. But yeah, really

1:01:11

complicated stuff in this one.

1:01:14

And it's weird that

1:01:16

they did this episode after Roxanne

1:01:18

Dawson had been pregnant and

1:01:20

had already given birth. Like if

1:01:23

they go through with, I haven't seen

1:01:25

the end of the season, but like if

1:01:27

she shows pregnancy and stuff, like

1:01:30

man, I wonder what that

1:01:32

would have felt like to do this episode while

1:01:34

pregnant. And I wonder how it felt after being

1:01:36

a mother to do this

1:01:39

for Roxanne Dawson. Like what a unique

1:01:41

challenge for a performer in this case.

1:01:43

Totally, yeah. That's what I thought, what

1:01:45

about you? Thank you, made

1:01:48

some really great points just

1:01:50

there. And yeah, I definitely

1:01:52

thought more than once in this

1:01:55

scene, like yeah, whatever, just pull out the engineering

1:01:57

smock. You've been through this before. But

1:02:00

yeah, I don't know what we

1:02:02

have in store. I don't remember

1:02:05

season seven very well at all.

1:02:07

So I'm curious to see

1:02:09

what happens as we go through this. Like

1:02:11

they did not write the pregnancy to an

1:02:13

end at the end of this episode. Yeah.

1:02:16

It's going to be a going concern and

1:02:18

I'm excited to see what that leads to.

1:02:22

Well, the end of a greatest gen episode leads

1:02:24

to the priority one message has been. You want to

1:02:26

see what we got about to

1:02:28

burst over there? Mm hmm. Priority

1:02:31

one message from Star State coming in

1:02:34

on secured channels. Need

1:02:36

a supplemental. Supplemental. Supplemental.

1:02:41

By the interest alone, good enough to buy

1:02:43

this ship. Adam,

1:02:46

we got a priority one message here. It

1:02:49

is from Andrew. It's to you and me.

1:02:51

Goes like this. I'm still upset

1:02:54

you went to the UK and not Ireland. We're

1:02:57

right next door and way cooler. Also,

1:03:00

I was living in Kenya when Ben was

1:03:02

there and he didn't even say hello. Wow.

1:03:04

Despite all these personal slights, thank

1:03:07

you for the many hours of quality pod.

1:03:09

Here are some scarves. Africa

1:03:11

drop. Ben gets to

1:03:13

call very late at night. His

1:03:16

wife hears only whispers of

1:03:18

some quiet conversation. He's coming

1:03:21

in 1230 flight.

1:03:24

Status upgrade into a lay flat

1:03:27

seat for sleep salvation. He

1:03:31

clues customs with a carne.

1:03:36

Hoping to film some fun exotic world to

1:03:39

feed the rawest meat. He

1:03:44

returns a cannot waste you

1:03:47

say. Boy oh boy, I've

1:03:49

got stories for you.

1:03:51

It doesn't take a lot to get me. This

1:04:03

is the family love moment to tell

1:04:05

you Been

1:04:08

gonna talk about Africa

1:04:13

It's gonna take some time to tell

1:04:15

you since you never had

1:04:21

Wow Dang

1:04:26

How long you shot on the Africa Drop? It's

1:04:28

pretty legendary I

1:04:30

was hoping to one day update

1:04:32

the Africa Drop for another Africa

1:04:35

trip you might have

1:04:37

taken That opportunity had

1:04:39

not presented itself We

1:04:41

even went to Ethiopian

1:04:44

food for dinner not that long ago

1:04:47

I had thought that stories

1:04:49

of that evening would make the show

1:04:52

sufficient to update the Drop

1:04:54

That didn't happen The

1:04:58

last time I was in the motherland it was

1:05:00

for the wedding of a dear

1:05:02

friend of mine But now that

1:05:04

he's married I'm not sure I'm gonna have another

1:05:06

excuse anytime soon But

1:05:09

boy I'd love to go back I want

1:05:11

to go to Malindi, it's this beach community

1:05:13

in Kenya that has tons of

1:05:15

Italians living in it And

1:05:18

apparently some of the best Italian

1:05:20

food in the world How about

1:05:22

that? Available in Malindi, Kenya and

1:05:24

it's like just paradise on earth

1:05:26

also on top of that I

1:05:28

want to go to Ireland Yeah Ireland is

1:05:30

cool Did we make a huge mistake according

1:05:32

to Andrew we did I asked

1:05:35

our booking agent to get us

1:05:37

a show in Ireland and he

1:05:39

checked with the home office of

1:05:42

his agency in London And

1:05:44

they said don't go to Ireland So

1:05:46

this is another time that the English fucked

1:05:48

the Irish over In a long

1:05:51

line of times So I

1:05:53

think our beef is really what the English

1:05:55

is There are some hard and fast rules

1:05:57

to live podcasting And many of

1:05:59

them don't really apply to greatest genre

1:06:01

greatest trek. I feel like killing

1:06:04

in London was something that neither

1:06:06

of us saw happening. We absolutely

1:06:08

destroyed there to a sold out

1:06:10

room that ruled. Don't do

1:06:12

shows in LA seems to actually be true.

1:06:14

Like that's a very difficult room to fill

1:06:17

most of the time. That tracks. Yeah.

1:06:19

I mean, we do well with the

1:06:21

rooms that we book, but we have

1:06:23

to look smaller rooms relative to like

1:06:25

the size of our audience in LA

1:06:27

than basically any other city. I wonder

1:06:30

which column Ireland is

1:06:32

in. Is Ireland a real live

1:06:34

podcast rule or is it fake? I

1:06:37

want to go. I want to go back to Dublin.

1:06:39

Yeah. Did my study abroad

1:06:41

there in college. I missed Dublin terribly. I want

1:06:44

to go. I

1:06:48

don't think they have that there. That's Scotland

1:06:50

only. Okay. All right. Yeah.

1:06:53

Just fly with my clubs out there to

1:06:55

do nothing. Yeah.

1:06:58

Well, Andrew, if

1:07:00

we can make it up to you with

1:07:02

a nice long P1, I hope that

1:07:04

works out. Oh yeah. Our

1:07:06

next priority one message is from Mariah,

1:07:08

Kate and T whose favorite

1:07:10

shows obviously Star Trek. And it

1:07:12

is to Ali in the

1:07:14

mouth six Bay. It

1:07:17

goes like this on this,

1:07:19

the occasion of your fourth decade, the

1:07:22

Venn diagram of friends who love you,

1:07:24

which is a circle along

1:07:26

with the portion of the Venn

1:07:28

diagram who loves this

1:07:30

pod TVing absent want to wish you

1:07:33

a happy birthday in the

1:07:35

best for Cosby voice and

1:07:37

can manage. Wow. Even when you

1:07:39

are a weekend in a weekend

1:07:41

state, the love we have for

1:07:44

you is always strong. The

1:07:49

geometry on this joke. I'm really trying to

1:07:51

make it. Ali,

1:07:54

how can you be in the

1:07:56

mouth six Bay when Dr. Huxtable

1:07:58

is an obstetrician? Which

1:08:01

is appropriate for this

1:08:03

episode. Even

1:08:07

though doing the Picosby voice is

1:08:10

not appropriate. It's

1:08:13

always funny to do the Picosby

1:08:15

voice. And

1:08:17

you also share a birthday

1:08:19

with Rudy. Alright,

1:08:24

well if you'd like to pimp

1:08:26

us into potentially getting cancelled, head

1:08:29

to maximumfun.org/Jumbotron and get

1:08:31

yourself a P1 today!

1:08:35

Yeah, do it today. They go a long way in supporting

1:08:37

the production of the show. Hey Ben!

1:08:40

What's that Adam? Did you find yourself a

1:08:42

Drunksimoda? Incredible! Drunksimoda! I think

1:08:44

I'm going to have to give

1:08:46

it to BLT for scrambling the

1:08:48

doctor's egg into doing

1:08:51

the procedure despite everyone

1:08:54

ordering her not to. I mean

1:08:57

that's like Edward Larkeny. Yeah,

1:08:59

it is. I think when you

1:09:02

are hearing from

1:09:04

everyone around you that the course

1:09:06

of action you are advocating

1:09:08

for is no bueno. You've

1:09:12

got to give some

1:09:14

serious consideration to what if they're right.

1:09:17

And yeah, messing with a friend's head

1:09:20

in spite of that feels like

1:09:22

a really wild choice

1:09:25

for BLT to make. So I think she's

1:09:27

my Drunksimoda today. Yeah. How

1:09:29

about you? I mean the

1:09:31

most surprising choice

1:09:33

made in the episode is

1:09:36

Paris forgiving and

1:09:39

not leaving BLT at the end. So

1:09:42

it's kind of a dark Shimoda. Yeah. I

1:09:45

think Paris is going to be it for me for

1:09:47

that reason. Wow. Dark

1:09:50

Shimoda. Well,

1:09:56

it's time for us to figure

1:09:59

out what we're going to be. doing

1:10:01

next week. Of course it'll be season 7 episode 13

1:10:03

repentance. The issue of

1:10:07

capital punishment divides the crew when

1:10:10

Voyager agrees to transport condemned

1:10:13

prisoners to their deaths.

1:10:16

Can't believe they would agree to do something like that. It's

1:10:20

just a beat-for-beat Con Air

1:10:22

episode of Voyager. How

1:10:26

great would that be? Oh man,

1:10:28

sign me up. Yeah.

1:10:31

Alright, I'm at gach.biz slash game

1:10:34

where we keep the game of

1:10:36

buttholes. Looks like there's a couple things

1:10:38

we could hit. We could hit

1:10:41

a caretaker square which randomizes where we

1:10:43

are on the board. We

1:10:45

could also hit a Coco No-No square.

1:10:47

You're required to learn as you play.

1:10:50

Roll. I'm gonna go ahead and

1:10:52

roll this bone. See what we got in store. Adam,

1:10:58

I rolled a four. Tula! Did

1:11:01

I win? Hardly. We landed

1:11:03

on square 13, jumping both

1:11:05

of those regular episode next

1:11:07

week. Amazing. Amazing.

1:11:10

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Yeah, lately we've been doing great bonus episode work

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agree with that. I've got to thank Bill

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1:12:51

Voyager and an episode of the

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Greatest Generation Voyager where Adam and

1:12:55

I finally get what we deserve.

1:12:59

The death penalty? Is

1:13:03

that what you're referring to? Yeah.

1:13:05

Wow. All right. You

1:13:10

know what we did. I

1:13:12

know many of the things we did. Thank

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you.