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Here's to the finest crew

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in Starfleet. Engage! Watch

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your back shot. Hello. I'm

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Captain Cap printing with the USS Boyfriend.

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Captain Cap printing with the USS Boyfriend.

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Do it! Welcome

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to the greatest generation. It's a Star Trek

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podcast by a couple of guys. Just

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a little bit embarrassed about having a Star Trek podcast. I'm

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Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pranika. How you doing

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Adam? I

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was a little late to the mic because I had

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to pull a thing out of Ripley's

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butt. And

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I thought of you during Ben because... That's

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very flattering. Because I

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was thinking as gross as that experience was

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for me. You've

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got to be dealing with far grosser. Far

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more often in your

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household, right? I

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guess so. I think that a

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diaper is grosser in the

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abstract than it is when it's your

1:02

particular baby. There's

1:05

no such thing as a baby. Like a baby

1:07

only exists in so far it is in

1:09

relationship with its parents and

1:11

caretakers. That's

1:18

way too heavy to be laying

1:20

on me in the early afternoon

1:22

man. Yeah, well I'm getting bar

1:25

room philosophical already. You're

1:27

really Cliff Clavening right

1:29

now. Amazing. Well

1:31

the lady that taught

1:33

our get to know your

1:35

baby class said a

1:38

version of that. And there's like

1:40

a literal version of it

1:42

which is like, yeah, if everybody stops taking

1:44

care of the baby, the baby dies. But

1:48

it's also like a useful framework for

1:50

thinking about taking care

1:52

of one. And I think

1:54

that some of it is even instinctive and

1:56

the poo poo pee pee stuff about a

1:58

baby is very much... like, it's

2:01

just like, it's like wiping my own

2:03

nose, you know? Like, I mean... Just

2:05

not even a thing. I wouldn't want

2:07

you to wipe my nose, but when

2:09

I wipe my nose, I'm not like,

2:11

oh, God, it's so disgusting. Yeah,

2:14

I mean, I would never compare dog ownership

2:16

with baby ownership, which is what I call

2:18

being a parent. But

2:21

yeah, I mean, the idea of pulling

2:24

a poop out of my dog's butt

2:27

would be horrifying before knowing

2:29

what it's like to have

2:31

a dog in my life, and now that's just

2:33

like a Thursday afternoon. Right. Was

2:36

this like the classic, the dog ate

2:38

something stringy, and so there's something hanging

2:40

out that's attached to something that's still

2:42

in there? Why do dogs love stringy

2:45

things so much? I don't know. It's

2:47

like their favorite thing. And

2:49

why do the toy makers keep making stringy

2:52

things? I

2:54

don't know why the scientists keep making. Yeah,

2:58

that's how my day's going, Ben. But all in

3:00

all, pretty good, and I've been looking forward to

3:02

this episode because it is

3:04

a Quark Spar episode, as foretold at

3:06

the end of the previous episode. We

3:08

hit that square on the board. What

3:11

are you drinking over there, buddy? I

3:13

am drinking some Smith

3:16

and Cross traditional Jamaica

3:18

rum. It's

3:20

a pure, hot, still rum

3:23

of the Navy strength variety.

3:26

Now what means for FODs

3:28

out there who might not be familiar? Navy

3:31

strength is a way

3:34

of designating a full spirit liquor

3:36

that's not quite an overproof. Like

3:40

a 151 is the classic

3:42

high proof rum that college

3:44

students have used for time

3:46

in the

3:48

Merriam to get in big, big trouble. When

3:51

was the last time you had that? Oh,

3:53

I keep some on that. For

3:57

when college students come over? Oh,

4:00

I enjoy tiki drinks and like...

4:02

Your D&D nights must be crazy.

4:04

Oh yeah, baby. No,

4:07

like a lemon heart or, you

4:09

know, Hamilton's 151 are called

4:11

for in

4:14

many more bracing tiki beverages, so...

4:16

Love one of those. Navy

4:19

strength just refers to alcohol that

4:22

is sufficiently high in alcohol

4:24

percentage that if it spills

4:26

on gunpowder, it

4:28

doesn't compromise the flammability of

4:30

the gunpowder. Like the gunpowder will still work

4:32

in the cannons. And so... That

4:35

is such a great reference. I love that. Yeah,

4:37

I have no idea if that's like actually based

4:40

on anything real, but like, I

4:42

guess in the like Royal Navy

4:45

in sailing ship days, you

4:48

got your gin ration or your rum ration

4:50

as part of your daily

4:52

shit on your ship. Speaking

4:55

of all of that, famously,

4:57

you are a huge

4:59

enthusiast of boat movies where

5:02

they shoot cannons out of the side. You're

5:05

a big master and commander guy. One

5:08

of the biggest. I believe those

5:10

fans are just called masturbators. Anyway,

5:15

I had just seen Killers of the

5:17

Flower Moon not that

5:19

long ago, and the author of Killers

5:21

of the Flower Moon wrote a book

5:23

called The Wager, which is

5:25

a tale of shipwreck, mutiny and

5:27

murder. Ben, this is a book I got

5:29

for you. Oh. So

5:32

the next time I see you, I'm gonna give this to you. I have

5:34

heard it is superior even.

5:37

Wow. To master and commander, which is why

5:39

I thought it would make a kingly gift.

5:41

So, that's amazing. Remind me the next time

5:43

we hang out, I gotta give this to

5:45

you. Have you read or heard of this?

5:48

I have not. I was

5:50

literally like right before we were

5:52

recording, I was straightening

5:54

up my bookshelf and I pulled out

5:56

my copy of master and

5:59

commander that. of DeSoto sent

6:01

in on a recent Code

6:03

47. I keep it next to

6:06

my copy of Patriot Games and my copy

6:08

of Clear and Present Danger. Your issues of

6:10

Jane's Defense Weekly? I was

6:12

looking at it and I was like, I'm reading

6:14

Heat 2 right now. That's the book that I

6:16

currently have on my nightstand.

6:20

And I'm looking at Master and Commander

6:22

and I'm like, should I do it?

6:24

Should I just go like, I

6:26

read dad books now? I mean, it

6:28

fits. It looks good on you.

6:30

Do I drop my almost

6:33

exclusively sci-fi and fantasy novel

6:35

lifestyle for dad novel

6:37

lifestyle? Could be the path. That's

6:39

great for you. So anyways, if

6:41

they have the barrels of gunpowder

6:44

down in the hold of the

6:46

ship and they get hit by

6:48

a cannonball and that

6:51

cannonball causes the barrel of rum

6:53

to splash on the barrel of

6:55

gunpowder, it doesn't do anything

6:57

to compromise their war

6:59

readiness. It's not like a

7:02

Ford Pinto in the Navy

7:04

situation. You're not

7:06

getting unintended explosions out

7:08

of your naval interactions

7:10

there. I'm sure there was plenty of rear

7:13

ending going on on those ships, Adam, but

7:15

not that kind. Ben,

7:18

I saw you finger that bottle

7:20

earlier, which is what inspired my

7:22

choice of beverages today. Oh yeah, what do you

7:24

got there? I did not choose

7:27

the same rum. I chose a different rum. And

7:29

this rum is unique because it is

7:32

distilled right across the

7:34

way, the face of the Santa

7:36

Monica mountain. No kidding. This

7:38

is Parler K rum. Have

7:41

you seen and heard of this?

7:43

I've seen advertisements for Parler K

7:45

and or Parler key. I've wondered

7:47

how they would prefer people pronounce

7:49

it. Oh, when has

7:51

that ever stopped us before? It

7:55

sets the creek distillery out of

7:57

Oxnard and it is described

7:59

as the... Island ventures westward from

8:01

the original recipe made from scratch at

8:04

our distillery that sits quietly below

8:06

the Santa Monica Mountains. In

8:09

true small batches and ferreled a

8:11

new American oak and finished in

8:13

Pedro Jimenez Sherry Cask's. Ooh,

8:16

alright. It is a very pleasant

8:20

amber. It really is. And four

8:22

fingers of this and a rocks tumbler. I

8:25

love this Polish tumbler because

8:27

it's really big in circumference.

8:30

Yeah, that's a thick king. I

8:33

got some trivia for you about this episode, Ben.

8:35

Oh really? You me and

8:38

most other Star Trek enthusiasts are

8:41

aware of Dr. Star Trek,

8:43

Larry Nemisek. Yeah. Met him

8:45

a bunch of times. I say it

8:47

that way because he doesn't seem to remember us anytime

8:50

we run into him on a subsequent

8:52

occasion. We

8:55

had drinks with him after our live show

8:57

in LA this year. He's great. And

8:59

it was great. He's a great hank. He

9:01

told us about how he came to acquire

9:03

Gene Roddenberry's golf clubs. One of the greatest

9:06

hanks at Star Trek Las Vegas is between

9:08

three and four in the morning out

9:10

on the casino floor with Dr. Star

9:13

Trek getting hammered. Yeah. What's

9:15

his drink, Adam? It's rum and diet coke, Ben.

9:17

Rum and diet coke. Rum

9:21

and diet coke. He was

9:23

drinking rum and diets when we went and

9:25

chilled with him after our live show. We

9:29

went to Formosa Cafe with him, which is

9:31

a place in LA that is known for

9:33

a great tiki cocktail. I'm like, hey,

9:35

hey guys, I'm going to go get us a round. What do

9:37

you want? Ben points out,

9:39

really fun and interesting tiki beverage. I'm

9:41

like, cool, I'm going to get this

9:43

other really fun, interesting tiki beverage, Dr.

9:45

Star Trek rum and diet. Make

9:48

it a double. I

9:50

love that. Yeah. Heroes.

9:52

The reason I bring him up, Ben, is

9:55

like I knew for a long, long time that

9:58

he pitched a story. story

10:01

to Star Trek Voyager that was eventually

10:03

turned into an episode. This

10:06

is that episode. Wow!

10:09

Amazing! He pitched it to the writers

10:12

room before the show even began, before

10:14

the caretaker, before the pilot of Voyager.

10:16

He got in there, slid his manuscript

10:18

across the desk and was like, hey,

10:20

what do you think of this? And

10:23

then seven years

10:25

later he gets the

10:28

call. Amazing! This

10:30

is a great premise for an episode.

10:32

I tip my rum and

10:34

diet to him. You know, I have

10:36

a little Dr. Pepper left over here from lunch. What

10:39

do you think? Do you think rum and Dr. Pepper

10:41

is anything? I think it is and I think it's

10:44

in honor of Dr. Star Trek. I think

10:46

that is a King Lee beverage. Alright, I'm

10:48

pouring out the last of my Dr.

10:51

Pepper into my lovely

10:55

Jamaican rum. That's ship surgeon

10:57

strength right there when you mix the

11:00

Dr. Pepper and the Navy strength,

11:02

right? There you go. Here's

11:05

the you Dr. Star Trek. Ship

11:07

surgeon of greatest generation. Today's

11:12

episode, Ben, it is as the

11:14

game of buttholes,

11:17

the will of the caretaker

11:19

has prophesied. Season

11:22

four. Season seven, episode

11:27

14. Prophecy. Reaper course. Unless you've

11:29

got something a little bigger in your torpedo too.

11:31

I'm not saying it's loud. So

11:34

our cold open involves Voyager being

11:36

attacked by what seems

11:39

like a ship off screen. But when

11:41

we go to

11:43

the bridge, we learn that this is

11:45

a ship that is cloaked and the

11:47

weapons are Klingon and holy shit, just

11:49

a couple of seconds later it's revealed

11:52

it's a D. Savon.

11:57

It just said D eight. Bring

12:00

it on! Bring

12:02

it on! This

12:05

thing is a really old pile of shit.

12:07

So they're able to use a version

12:10

of their sensors that exploits

12:13

something about these old cloaking systems

12:16

into finding it in

12:18

space, ID-ing it, and

12:21

shooting it. Yeah,

12:24

they do a metaphasic scan. They knock out

12:26

the cloaking device, pretty soon

12:28

these guys are just dead in the water. The

12:30

element of surprise shit that they pulled on the Voyager

12:32

had shields down to 50% in

12:34

a way that was like, man, that's

12:37

an old-ass ship, and that really packed a

12:39

punch. But once the Voyager crew

12:41

figured out what was going on, they're

12:44

no match. And

12:46

Janeway convinces the captain of the ship to get

12:48

on FaceTime, and he cut over to the bridge

12:50

of the Klingon ship. And I

12:52

was so glad that they spent the budget

12:55

to give us a Klingon bridge here, because

12:57

I feel like

13:00

this is one of those things where they could have

13:02

built, they could have put

13:04

some Klingon badges and some

13:08

brown paint on a couple of stage flats and

13:10

had a Klingon guy sit in front of it

13:13

and sell this, but they really cut around

13:15

this bridge. And

13:17

Janeway is like, what are you doing? We're

13:20

friends. The Klingons of the Federation signed a

13:22

peace treaty at Kitimer. Have you ever heard

13:24

of it? It was kind of a

13:26

big deal. These guys don't know what they're

13:28

talking about. She's being so

13:30

cool about this, though. And

13:32

I think that she should be. I think if

13:35

I had to guess, if I had ship

13:38

surgeon Dr. Star Trek here right now, I

13:40

would ask him, is this kind of based

13:42

on those, you

13:45

hear those stories of little islands

13:47

in the Pacific where a detachment

13:49

of Japanese Navy personnel were

13:51

left and they didn't hear about the end

13:53

of the war because their radio was broken.

13:55

And so they just stayed there and assumed

13:58

that they were there. it was

14:00

still on for way longer than

14:03

World War II actually lasted. You

14:06

know, a writer of less pedigree

14:08

might have made that the pitch

14:10

here. It's Klingons who

14:12

don't know the war's over, man. They're

14:16

still fighting it. That's

14:18

not this at all. Yeah. So

14:20

she's like, yeah, like we're friends with

14:23

the Klingons now and I

14:25

can prove it. I got a chief

14:27

engineer who's a Klingon and this

14:29

captain of the Klingon ship, Captain Kolar is like,

14:32

shit, maybe I got

14:35

to reassess all of my assumptions.

14:37

Maybe I got to stop manufacturing

14:40

faucets and toilets and stuff and

14:43

kind of get with the time. Yeah.

14:46

Janeway uses BLT as

14:49

a way to

14:51

broker an in-person

14:53

discussion. I don't think there's

14:55

any other reason to come over than out

14:58

of the curiosity about what

15:00

BLT might be like. Yeah. They

15:03

didn't do the thing that they sometimes did with

15:05

Worf though where they throw him in the captain's

15:07

chair. You take this call, you know?

15:11

Or have her on the bridge for any reason? Yeah.

15:14

She's never up there. So after

15:16

Kolar arrives, they're walking through the corridors

15:18

and there's a moment where it seems

15:20

like this is going to be like

15:23

the standard diplomatic tour of the ship or

15:25

whatever. Kolar doesn't want that. He wants to

15:28

meet BLT now. And

15:30

so they go right to the conference room

15:32

where BLT and Jokote are waiting. And

15:35

his first reaction is to

15:38

her body. You're with child. That's

15:41

what the doctor tells me. You're not

15:43

supposed to do this, right? Like, even if

15:45

you think like you're pretty sure, you

15:48

don't ask like how soon you're due to a lady.

15:51

If you're Jokote, aren't

15:53

you a little hurt that nothing's

15:56

made about your appearance either? Like,

15:59

he's got the huge. tattoo that has

16:01

to be interesting to a Klingon of

16:03

this era like yeah hey my face

16:06

is here also I to

16:09

him decorated yeah he's gotta

16:11

be bummed yeah but

16:14

whole art is like really

16:16

floored by this information and

16:20

he's like wait what month did

16:22

you conceive and she's like I don't

16:25

know man like that's like this

16:27

is already gotten like very personal I

16:30

don't even know you colars like

16:32

put another way what month did

16:34

your husband dump in you she's

16:40

like no I understood the premise of

16:42

the question I didn't need like another

16:44

another run at it honestly

16:46

that made it more uncomfortable not

16:48

less I mean

16:51

at least he doesn't reach out to touch her belly

16:54

that's just the worst yeah happened

16:56

to my wife so many times like and

16:59

when our baby was really little like people would

17:01

touch him like you'd be like out

17:03

with him on the street and people just touch the

17:05

baby it's like what are you doing I

17:08

would say we're pretty close friends never touch

17:10

your baby never touch your wife that's

17:14

how polite I am yeah you stay

17:17

well on the other side of the room from both

17:19

of them in a keep your

17:21

arms crossed and kind of like never make

17:23

eye contact it's really abrupt here like you

17:25

think this meeting is going to turn into

17:28

a thing but Kohler wants to get the

17:30

hell out of there kind of suddenly got

17:33

to go Janeway's

17:35

like hey before you go maybe

17:38

promise me you're not going to shoot once you're

17:40

over there that can be sometimes how this happens

17:42

like no I'm not going to shoot I just

17:45

need to go I didn't want

17:47

to say this but I my

17:49

stomach is I had

17:53

some bad gosh before I came over here

17:57

so he goes back and he's talking to all these

18:00

other Klingon dudes and he's like, this, I

18:03

think this is it. I think this is what we've been looking for

18:05

scroll-wise. And

18:08

there's just so much talk

18:10

of scrolls and signs

18:13

and quoting of things going

18:15

on here that you can tell that these

18:17

guys believe that some kind of prophecy is

18:20

being fulfilled and

18:23

they refer to it as the day of separation.

18:26

Doesn't mean much to us right now,

18:28

but it means a whole lot to these

18:30

folks who are in kind

18:32

of a trust, but verify mode over

18:35

there on the Klingon ship and

18:37

over on the, on the Voyager bridge, they

18:40

detect something kind of bad going

18:43

on on that Klingon ship right

18:45

away. Yeah. Is there like

18:47

a guy on the Klingon ship who's

18:49

like grown up knowing his job is

18:51

to like push the big red button

18:54

the second somebody says the day of

18:56

separation has arrived because this happens so

18:58

fast. I would say

19:00

that I felt this

19:03

moment more deeply than I

19:05

would have anticipated because

19:08

this old D seven is

19:11

fucking beautiful, man. Yeah. It is so

19:13

neat to see it fly in formation

19:16

with Voyager. I wanted so

19:18

much more from these shots

19:20

and of this ship. I

19:22

wanted it to be around all the time. I

19:24

know when they blew this thing up, it

19:27

was really upsetting. I totally

19:29

agree. I think that like one of the

19:31

most effective choices that they made in this

19:34

episode was to make this a D seven.

19:36

Yeah. And to give

19:39

us that feeling of like, we're running downhill

19:41

toward the end of this series, like what

19:43

if they just have Klingon friends with them

19:45

for the rest of the way? Yeah. It's

19:48

like 200 of them. Sick.

19:51

And no, like the warp core is

19:53

going critical. Captain Kohler is

19:56

like, you know, you Better

19:58

beam us out of here. Cause There's. No fixing this

20:00

in time. And on the Voyager bridge there

20:03

like you know there's gonna be a lot

20:05

of like porcelain that like crashes into us

20:07

when that ship blows. The

20:11

fuck out of here. And Janeway orders

20:13

them to beam every cling on a

20:15

board over to the shuttle bay. And.

20:18

Go to work at the second they've

20:20

got everybody. And do like

20:22

as like a Dynamo Number as

20:24

captain. Did

20:26

any part of your. Imagination:

20:29

go toward the idea of those

20:31

prison cells still being in the

20:33

shuttle bay and maybe a dozen

20:35

of them being beamed into their

20:38

Ssssss editor. My mind went wow,

20:40

good God and even think that.

20:43

That's. Not it at all because we get a

20:45

wide shot from above in the Settle bay and.

20:47

There's. Two hundred clean odds in their

20:50

melon around. I love that shot. I

20:52

went back and was that like sweets?

20:55

So you watched it way more than I

20:57

did. Tell me whether or not that was

21:00

eight Klingons just like copy pasted? Yeah yeah

21:02

around the whole room As a A was

21:04

they have not made this amount of low

21:06

in the history of Star Trek. I was

21:08

I was in a student film and college

21:11

where I played an entire army storming up

21:13

a hill and they just had me like

21:15

run up the hill you are a busy

21:17

got. Like fifty times enough.

21:19

amazing and it looks

21:22

great. I kind of of of

21:24

always fantasized what if there was an army of.

21:26

Three. Hundred beds. You know I'd be

21:28

terrible as that. I I don't know

21:31

that I could do more than three

21:33

or four facial expressions. Oh yeah,

21:35

was exhausting. They they did put a fake

21:37

mustache on me. So

21:49

they are able to warp a way

21:51

to escape this blast and insane ways.

21:53

Ready Room Add to that confronts color

21:55

with. The. Truth. That

21:57

this is Otto. Destruction. And.

21:59

This to be something that. Janeway.

22:03

Is. Impressed by ray coffee and not

22:05

self destruct sequence this is exciting.

22:07

They did enough like scanning of

22:09

the other ship as everything was

22:12

happening that they can figure out

22:14

that this was. Not. Done

22:16

in good faith that that ship

22:18

blue and blue bag because they

22:20

blew up intentionally said that they

22:22

could get on board Janeway ship.

22:24

And. He's like yeah, I mean.

22:28

Here's the thing it's are

22:30

sacred duty to worship that

22:32

booty. Specifically the booty of

22:34

the unborn child of. The.

22:37

Lt. It's

22:39

fun how he was never going to disclose

22:42

this. Until after. His.

22:44

Plan was found out to sites

22:46

are I'd sign this a such

22:48

as I have a great grandfather

22:50

and he lost faith in the

22:52

empire and after finding a secret

22:54

scroll I sampled a crew to

22:56

go far into the galaxy looking

22:59

for the savior of our people

23:01

The Cavanaugh is who were looking

23:03

for. And. Also squeaky

23:05

and. Dogs,

23:07

Dogs Dogs and other for hims

23:10

trigger they believed to be Blt

23:12

is unborn child. This

23:15

baby has an enormous amount of

23:17

debt that was suddenly forgiven to

23:20

do our as being given a

23:22

huge promotion I was kind of

23:24

a lot of unanswered questions around

23:26

the savior of the people here.

23:28

Pretty. Troubling stuff. But these

23:30

Klingons believe that the Cavanaugh

23:33

will bring them. Out

23:35

of their. Struggles.

23:37

And lead them into a

23:39

new empire. Yeah, it's not. The

23:42

Cavanaugh is perfect, but like.

23:44

Tavern I will make possible. Their.

23:47

Goals. Would

23:50

like most people don't agree with their

23:52

to be clear that but they don't

23:54

care. I. Love the.

23:56

That. I should use a different

23:59

word besides pregnancy. I love the

24:01

pregnancy of the moment where like. The.

24:04

Idea of B L being half cling

24:06

on is one thing but like how

24:08

long they wait to disclose that it's

24:10

also has Tom Paris is baby in

24:12

there is a big fun that is

24:14

a huge amount attention that I almost

24:16

wish they exploited for longer. Yeah.

24:20

So. They have a big Mclaughlin group

24:22

is your wanted? Starts with. Bill.

24:24

Tease incredulity at what the plan

24:26

is there. Almost amused by them,

24:28

and a fun way. Yeah.

24:31

This is jane way into Voc bringing

24:33

to the senior staff what they learned

24:35

in this. Meeting. With

24:37

Kohler And okay, only to tell us

24:39

what happened between you and a Kohler

24:42

in a room like that's a little

24:44

bit more than happy to share. Sir.

24:47

I mean you go to Europe you

24:49

going to get sex because you know

24:51

kinds of things your hotel room says

24:53

they when you turn on that faceted

24:55

to suits water across the room. what's

24:58

that for s said that's enough for

25:00

villagers. your night was caps so that

25:02

much. So

25:04

sir, Pretty concerned, like,

25:06

we have notice that there's a

25:08

lot of alien trash of the

25:11

galaxy kind of like milling around

25:13

in the shuttle. And that

25:15

present some security challenges and why it's

25:17

accepted all time. I don't know Marco

25:20

but like what of what are we

25:22

gonna do about these people Like we're

25:24

still in the fuck and delta Quadrant

25:26

by good Zelek were like close to

25:29

home. Detention. Of the

25:31

scene is really interesting because they're like well

25:33

we can't just keep him in the settled

25:35

a forever and I think a good portion

25:37

of this meeting or like yeah we can

25:39

I mean I don't think we blew all

25:41

of the jail staff. Out

25:44

of the door. Like I think we can

25:46

rebuild some barracks or whatever. We could stop

25:48

and get a bunch of hey to put

25:50

down on the ground like a crowded cargo

25:52

bay full of people. Walking around on Hades

25:54

is not unprecedented in Star Trek of the

25:57

times. To leave the happens to be seated

25:59

too long. The as long as

26:01

they don't go into restricted area spend

26:03

you mentioned earlier. Like you evoked that

26:06

idea of the World War Two soldier

26:08

being unaware that the war is over.

26:10

A Madsen fighting a war for. generations,

26:14

On. Your ship over there, Her

26:16

being the great grandchildren of people

26:19

who believe the Federation is their

26:21

mortal enemy, how long would it

26:23

take you. To. Be.

26:26

Peaceful toward those people.

26:29

As you walk around their ship

26:31

assist assist on monitored I think

26:33

there's an enormous leap to discuss.

26:35

Yeah, let's just let him walk

26:37

around Willa. Put. Up a

26:39

velvet rope and front of the add. The

26:42

doors to engineering or whatever. The.

26:45

Rule I mean will pitch a tent

26:47

right next to the worker for a

26:49

few of them. Sister: keep ourselves honest.

26:51

Verbs: I think there's a generational war

26:53

refractory period that you rick kind of

26:55

need to endure before you come out

26:57

on the other side. With

26:59

peaceful feelings. I

27:02

mean like the first example

27:04

of this we get is

27:06

seen in the lunchroom which is

27:08

really crowded and mostly with crayons

27:11

and new axes into this

27:13

like is mostly kind of

27:15

like. Move. The menu

27:17

over into. Offerings. That

27:19

are more palatable to Klingons. Who

27:22

are, you know? Drinking.

27:25

Blood, wine and eating gas and

27:27

says you know. Beef. Ribs

27:29

and stuff it seems they cling onto.

27:31

Would love beef ribs right? Oh

27:33

come on. Cellphone. The.

27:36

Guy had them moving and.

27:39

Initially I was like that's gotta be sad for

27:41

them but then it was like they probably haven't

27:43

had like these clowns probably have never had lived

27:45

Got. A good probably only

27:48

ever had replicated dead gas. That's

27:50

a great call. I mean that in their

27:52

era to the heat and have replicators I

27:55

guess they do. I do know is they

27:57

had it and strange new worlds and discovery

27:59

and that. pre- yeah

28:02

yeah. Neelix and I

28:04

should say right from jump great Neelix

28:06

episode. Awesome Neelix episode.

28:08

Is totally psyched about

28:11

getting to make all these

28:13

fun foods. Fun foods he

28:15

wouldn't ordinarily make. Yeah. But he

28:17

does have a note. Yeah. A

28:19

note about the summer

28:21

bus with the windows closed smell that

28:24

seems to be a part of the

28:26

mess hall at this point. I like

28:28

that he likes it. Like he's like

28:30

I think it's great but some

28:33

of the crew have come to me to pass

28:35

this up to you. That these guys

28:37

are a little bit stinky. I think

28:39

it is so in character with Neelix

28:41

who has tastes that are bizarre and

28:45

unusual compared to the rest of the

28:47

crew. It would make

28:49

sense that he would find

28:51

the musk of these

28:54

folks interesting and even pleasurable. Harry

28:57

gets in the

28:59

middle of some some shit. Some shit pops

29:01

off between a couple of these Klingons. They

29:04

are having a big disagreement and

29:07

Harry Kim was trying to trying to stop them

29:10

and Neelix was

29:12

like no no no no no

29:14

I've been reading about like conflict

29:16

resolution colon Klingon style in all

29:18

of my research about how to make

29:21

friends with these people and he

29:24

gets in there in the middle and pronounces

29:26

like quarreling over food is chicken

29:30

shit when you could be preparing yourselves

29:32

for battle with a real enemy and

29:35

it doesn't go great for Neelix in this moment. Kim

29:38

has to has to re-engage and

29:41

he throws one of the Klingons against the

29:43

wall and she turns out to be

29:45

a lady Klingon with

29:47

a boob window and she

29:50

is very interested in the amount

29:52

of passion he shows in this

29:54

moment. The oversexed

29:57

Klingon female I

29:59

mean And has that been a part of

30:01

Star Trek forever? I don't know. It

30:03

doesn't seem that way. I don't think TOS

30:05

had horny Klingon ladies.

30:08

I don't think it had lady Klingons at all. They

30:10

didn't. This lady, Chiraga, is

30:14

very intrigued by Voyager's

30:17

stick man. I mean, who wouldn't be? Yeah,

30:20

she's like, there's only one, but

30:22

it's enough to fill me up.

30:25

Get off Harry. Who are you?

30:29

Her parents must be very proud. She was

30:32

aroused. Who are you? Harry

30:35

Kim. She left

30:37

a fiery spirit. You will make a worthy

30:39

mate. Harry Kim, I left in 22 minutes

30:42

and you're marked very proud. Harry

30:44

Kim. Who are you? Harry

30:48

Kim. Harry Kim could fold it

30:50

over and make it happen for her. Yeah. Later

30:53

on, we get the payoff for a reference that

30:55

happened earlier in that conference room. As

30:58

a consequence of all of these Klingons

31:01

joining their ship, everyone who

31:03

lives on the ship currently is going to

31:05

have to share their quarters in

31:07

order to allow room for

31:10

their visitors. And wouldn't you know it,

31:13

Neelix rolls into Tuvok's quarters after

31:15

work that they are sharing

31:17

that Tuvok did not know about. Mr.

31:20

Neelix, may I ask what you're doing

31:22

here? He's the last one with

31:24

the open room. What

31:27

does that say about Tuvok? Is

31:30

it either no one wants

31:32

to live with Tuvok, which I

31:34

understand, or Tuvok did some sketchy

31:37

shit in order to make

31:39

it seem like he had a roommate

31:41

already or was otherwise occupied

31:43

in some way? I think either

31:45

is plausible. Well, he's

31:47

a Vulcan and therefore he cannot lie.

31:50

But... When you live with a

31:52

Vulcan roommate, you got to expect there's going

31:55

to be a lot of meditating happening and you

31:57

don't want to be in the room for that.

32:00

Right. I sort

32:02

of think the former,

32:04

like, nobody wanted this

32:06

and, and Tuvok was happy to assume that

32:09

it just wouldn't happen for him. Like,

32:12

I think it was my sophomore

32:14

year of college. I didn't

32:17

have a roommate in my double for

32:19

the first three weeks

32:21

of school. Oh boy. And

32:23

I was like, is, do I just have a

32:25

single? You can't say shit, Ben. And

32:29

I didn't. I didn't. And

32:31

then a guy showed up and it was, it

32:34

sucked. He was wack. Who shows up

32:36

to college three weeks late? They're called

32:38

doctors. I don't know what he was

32:40

doing, but I had two extremely shitty

32:42

roommates. He was, he was the shittier

32:44

of the two. But yeah,

32:47

and, and like showed up three weeks

32:49

into, into a semester and ruined

32:51

my whole, like, you know, it

32:54

was a real, it was a real

32:56

meditation fest in that room before he showed up. Yeah.

33:02

Whenever you rolled up to Ben's door

33:04

and you saw a cravat tied around

33:07

the door knob, maybe

33:11

come back later. I

33:13

love that Neelik's saunters in there, like they are

33:15

the odd couples who have been living together for

33:17

years before Tuvok has an opportunity to ask what

33:19

the fuck. Yeah.

33:32

Because in many ways they have been living

33:34

together for years. They were Tuvoks. It's

33:37

true. I wish one of them

33:40

said that. I

33:43

love how like Tuvok

33:46

is logical and unemotional,

33:48

but even he does

33:50

a pretty good job articulating how let down

33:52

he is by this. I prefer solitude in

33:54

my own quarters. And that is

33:57

not an option. enough

34:01

to penetrate Neelix's social

34:03

obliviousness defenses. Like

34:07

nothing is getting through that shield.

34:09

It is such a magical combination

34:11

of like, I did so much

34:13

research about what Klingons are into

34:15

and how they think and like

34:18

what is meaningful to them on

34:21

a interpersonal basis so

34:24

that I could like help the crew negotiate

34:27

this transition. And also that

34:29

one weird guy with the point of the years, like

34:31

who cares what he thinks. Yeah,

34:36

great scene. So we get

34:38

a moment with BLT at work

34:41

and she's clearly been at work for quite a

34:43

long time. Tom is slaving

34:45

away over their dinner as I know

34:47

that you and I can relate to

34:50

just like a, well, like

34:52

I started cooking because I

34:54

thought you were gonna be ready for dinner

34:56

at 7.30 and like

34:58

some of these things are kind of hard

35:00

to stop once they're started. And

35:03

now it seems like you're not gonna be ready for dinner

35:05

till like eight or 8.30. So

35:07

I just wanna know what's going on. Let me tell

35:10

you another thing that you and I

35:12

are acutely familiar with. The idea that

35:15

BLT gets a call from Paris that

35:17

she basically ignores. The idea that

35:19

our wives will be on their phones, I'm

35:26

just gonna be kind and say fairly often,

35:29

except for the moments when we're out of the

35:31

house meeting

35:33

to communicate with them about something. That's

35:35

the moment where they're just not looking

35:37

at it. It's not close at hand

35:39

and I don't think about it very

35:41

often. Did I tell you a

35:45

legit profoundly scary thing

35:47

happened to me recently

35:49

that is related to this concept? I

35:52

got home from a social

35:55

hang and I came home

35:57

to a house where

36:00

The TV was on, the

36:02

dog was there, my

36:04

wife's phone was there. Everything

36:07

was as if my wife had just

36:10

been beamed onto an alien

36:12

spaceship. It was like

36:15

she had just disappeared. There

36:17

was food on the stove. It was

36:20

wild. And so I call out to her, lover,

36:24

where have you gone? She's

36:28

not anywhere. She's not in

36:31

the bathroom. She's not in either yard,

36:33

taking care of a Ripley mess or

36:35

whatever. She's gone. She's gone. And I'm

36:37

in the house for like 10 or

36:40

15 minutes. I can't text her. Her

36:42

phone's there. Yeah. I'm

36:44

like, where the hell is she? Finally

36:48

like 30 minutes later, she

36:50

came home. And I was like

36:53

trying to be chill about

36:55

it. But like, hey, what

36:58

are you doing here? It

37:02

turns out she had made and

37:04

delivered key lime pies to our

37:06

neighbors using the limes

37:08

from our giant lime

37:10

tree. You guys have an incredibly

37:13

prolific lime tree. Yeah.

37:16

So like all of the cooking

37:18

apparatuses on the counter,

37:20

like this is a kitchen that had been

37:22

used. Yeah. Yeah. And

37:25

it wasn't even so unusual for me. And she's

37:27

like, yeah, I just got roped into a conversation. I

37:29

didn't think I would be gone that long. So I

37:31

left all of my shit. And it made me think

37:33

like, I cannot think of

37:36

a condition where I wouldn't bring

37:38

my phone with me. Yeah. Even

37:41

if I'm just going to a neighbor's. It struck

37:43

me as totally unusual and probably

37:45

something I should do more often. But

37:47

in this case, kind of

37:50

terrifying. But also like in a

37:52

previous era, like this wouldn't be

37:54

that weird. Not at all. And

37:56

It wouldn't like jar you that much because it's

37:58

like, yeah, like people are gone. In any,

38:00

don't know why. All. The time.

38:03

And. Because there's no

38:06

way to just text them. That's

38:08

a curiosity that can never be

38:10

satisfied so you don't even in

38:12

indulge it. Yeah, like this. the

38:14

Tv show was not paused. Yeah,

38:16

there is creepy aspects to this.

38:18

like the old kind of show

38:20

where you couldn't pauses. Yes, He.

38:22

Was really unusual. Yeah, that's

38:24

it's. a fucking weird. But

38:27

it's also like such a Star Trek thing, right?

38:29

Play as you can. You can just communicate with

38:31

everybody all the time. And Star Trek. And

38:33

like it's weird and breaks the show when

38:35

they don't just ask the computer where someone

38:38

is. And are confused about that,

38:40

right? Yeah, And like that sort

38:42

of as a thing that we are like starting

38:44

to have in our reality now. and when it

38:46

does it work, it does kind of break reality.

38:49

It's like now com come on, the narrative is

38:51

fucked up with. At this point the whole reason

38:53

I got to watch was so I could leave

38:55

the phone at home. Yeah and I still never

38:57

leave the phone at home. I. Gotta

38:59

do that. I. Was much better about

39:02

leaving the phone at home when I

39:04

first got the watch because there was

39:06

a rideshare app on the on the

39:08

watch and they stopped supporting the watch

39:10

On the rideshare have they blew it.

39:12

You are used it a couple of

39:14

times where I was like items game

39:16

imo, leave the phone home and Reagan

39:18

socialize. I'm in a be with the

39:20

people that I'm with if I really

39:22

need to communicate with somebody that can

39:24

be accomplished on the watch but I

39:27

don't. It's. Not a seductive

39:29

enough temptation to like look at

39:31

all night. And

39:33

I can get home like in an emergency if I

39:36

need to because I got the app. And

39:38

if they took it away, they took the

39:40

killer app away. You blew it. So

39:42

and beal see ignores Paris's car. This is

39:44

what that made me think of. This

39:47

assess assess and similar. Sort of like that

39:49

thing where like ccs the cause he's like

39:51

oh shit I'm late for dinner. Doesn't.

39:53

Answer it but like heads for the door. Then.

39:57

There's a bunches. Past

39:59

her out. The out there. At

40:04

the of Up Up Up Up

40:06

or she doesn't want any of

40:08

that either. Susan right to say

40:10

transports from engineering home. You

40:12

and I know how this goes.

40:14

You do try to leave the

40:16

venue that of have been chewed

40:18

Thursday fans out there. How.

40:22

About where Blc appears near

40:24

the dinner table. like that

40:27

could be a terrifying moment.

40:30

Depending. On Where Paris's I think

40:32

it's terrifying for Paris specifically because

40:34

he's in that pose where she's

40:36

like rubbing her back like both,

40:38

whether day. And

40:40

there. When. You have already done the

40:43

saying where you're like. I'm.

40:45

A little bit stressed out about dinner getting.

40:47

Put. On a table at a time that

40:50

works for everybody. So I met a

40:52

call. And. You can tell your

40:54

partner's annoyed that you called. And

40:56

then they show up with the of what

40:58

a day pose as like I'm fuckin in

41:00

for it and I just truck and I

41:02

made my bed now ago, Lion. What

41:05

you're describing is the reversal on

41:07

Paris. Like Paris has the confidence

41:09

to set the meal onto the

41:12

table. after having his color screen

41:14

by Blt seen order to get

41:16

the upper hands. on whatever

41:18

happens would be else he comes home that

41:20

would be on t side to sites with

41:23

that pose. It's. Been

41:25

reversed. Fealty. As

41:27

the upper hand now. Suspect.

41:29

And pregnant man says you could tell her

41:31

body a sore like to go gets on

41:34

the couch and does that like ah my

41:36

fuckin back. They're. Trying to have

41:38

a moment when the captain just kind of

41:40

barges in in is like the going on

41:42

there on Hunger Strike Blt. You.

41:44

Gotta go talk to them. It's.

41:47

Weird how Blt gets it from both

41:49

barrels, because when she's complaining to Paris

41:51

about Er de. Paris.

41:54

Preaches, Patients and My Janeway comes

41:56

in about this hunger strike. Season.

42:00

The raging Be Lcd hear them out.

42:03

He. Kind of sucks for Blt. The.

42:05

Kind of position season. It.

42:07

Is brewed for her at

42:09

like how many masters everyone

42:11

is asking her to serve

42:14

and. I. Think it's

42:16

a great Blt episode

42:18

for like. And.

42:21

Or I just it it it felt

42:23

like really authentic to i. Have

42:26

been. I've never been pregnant, but I

42:28

have observed a pregnant person a close

42:30

and the like amount of demands everyone

42:33

wants to put on you. You haven't

42:35

been pregnant, but you have had prime

42:37

rib for dinner before. The. Next.

42:42

It's south.

42:45

Sea. Goes down and rates with the

42:48

at. the elders of the clown suit

42:50

don't seem that old, mostly. I

42:52

love the the the Burn Barrel

42:54

in the shuttle bay. kind of

42:56

obsessed with me and said here

42:58

yeah great. Sees. Her seven

43:01

or like the ridges are

43:03

weak on her light. What?

43:05

The fuck am a word had not

43:07

gotten back to them from the like.

43:10

Like. Japanese school girl fanboys

43:12

standing outside engineering like ask

43:14

these guys hit Do not

43:16

know until this moment that

43:19

Blt is only half going

43:21

on and they. Are

43:23

certs We destroyed our ship because

43:26

you said she was a mother

43:28

of a coma solely where it's

43:30

written that the Cooper Mosques must

43:33

have shortly non blood. Yeah, and

43:35

that's before they hear Paris is

43:37

the father of the child. And

43:40

and accusations of a fall

43:42

savior. Are. Aired in

43:45

their grievances. And death.

43:47

Yikes. Does. Not seem like a

43:49

good seen. I. Know that

43:51

you're familiar with situations

43:54

where. Things. Don't go

43:56

well for a Kohler. Could

43:59

move. Relate to.

44:02

The. Captain. Of the Klingons

44:04

at all. In this moment it seems like a

44:06

plumbing is you. Cause

44:09

out in the corridor after the meeting breaks

44:12

up colors like hey, We. Get

44:14

a plugged up drain here. And.

44:16

I have this thing overflows as can be A holy war.

44:19

Second, Be good. There. So.

44:22

In the conference room color

44:24

has an interesting proposition. He's

44:26

like know everybody knows Blt

44:28

his baby is not cross

44:30

my gosh. About

44:33

words and colors Theory presupposes

44:35

is maybe the only need

44:37

to convince my people that

44:40

she is. Susan

44:43

interesting character to as he's like.

44:46

He's. The Captain of the Klingons, his.

44:48

Multi. Generational at this point

44:50

on this mission. To.

44:53

Fulfill the prophecy and these roles.

44:56

And. The. Conclusion he

44:58

has drawn is. This roles

45:00

are a bunch of bullshit. The.

45:03

People that started this mission were

45:06

lunatics and. The. People that

45:08

I live with. Are.

45:11

Believers. In it. But I

45:13

am very concerned for their wellbeing.

45:16

And they've suffered so much because we

45:18

are on this junky as old ship

45:20

from like the T O S era

45:22

when I call the twenty two sixties

45:24

his spot Scotty. So guys like this

45:26

thing was built in the sixties for

45:28

Christ's sake and we're out in the

45:30

De clawed. Blt. Can

45:32

you just put the hat on and

45:35

pretend. You're the graph maga for

45:37

a little while. Know

45:40

growing, know, Kohler

45:43

articulate something that as out about

45:45

for a long time. Debbie.

45:48

A slasher slashed see like

45:50

big religions. and i'm

45:52

not going to be specific about which

45:54

religion i think many of them could

45:56

fall into this category but like the

45:58

biggest and most most powerful ones would

46:01

seem to have like their

46:04

leadership figures and then like a whole

46:06

bunch of subordinates. But

46:09

you can't tell me that at

46:11

least a few of those subordinates aren't

46:14

like, just

46:16

got to keep wearing the hat and slippers

46:18

and like keep, keep doing the

46:20

thing because if I don't, it's

46:22

going to be anarchy. Like we

46:24

cannot let this structure

46:27

dissolve. Yeah. So

46:29

like the idea that any institution has 100%

46:32

faith in everything doesn't seem viable or

46:38

truthful or whatever. Only

46:40

the friends of DeSoto are truly of

46:43

the faith, you know, like they're the

46:45

only people that that are true

46:48

believers. I agree. But

46:51

it's, it's so refreshing to hear a caller go

46:53

like, look, we

46:55

got to just maintain, right? There's

46:57

a lot about this that is

46:59

ridiculous, but like absent this, the

47:02

whole structure falls apart and, and that

47:05

would be worse than preserving the thing

47:07

to begin with. Because

47:09

there's that tension between stability

47:11

and justice that I mean,

47:14

runs through all of

47:17

sociology and humanity,

47:19

like, and there

47:21

are people that are absolutists on both

47:23

sides, the

47:25

stability absolutists are

47:28

often cited as carrying

47:30

water for the injustice

47:32

people and the justice

47:35

absolutists are often criticized

47:38

for advocating for a complete

47:41

destabilization that would lead to

47:43

more suffering. Right. And

47:45

you've got to do that math. Yeah.

47:48

In that position. Even as the

47:50

captain of this band of 204

47:52

Klingons, Kohler is in a unique position to flush

48:00

a solution through.

48:03

Absent at this meeting are two characters

48:06

that I wish were there for

48:08

the comedy reasons alone because

48:12

what's on the table is like, let's

48:14

keep the story going so that we

48:17

can drop these Klingons off

48:19

at a planet that we could resettle, get

48:21

the hell off the ship, problem

48:23

solved. And if Neelix

48:25

and Tuvok were at this meeting, I

48:27

bet they'd be pro-deception completely, right? Oh

48:31

man. Because they don't want to

48:33

live together anymore. They

48:37

have such a unique motivation not

48:41

to like, stay on board for that

48:43

much longer. They have a very personal

48:45

investment in why

48:47

this should be the plan. I

48:49

wonder if that would have gotten

48:51

too close to the Worf's brother

48:54

is Paul Sorvino. Yeah. Episode in

48:56

vibes. Yeah. But yeah, they

48:58

like... Well, Worf's father was Paul Sorvino.

49:00

No, it was his brother. What? Yeah,

49:04

and they like made the like simulated

49:06

thing in the holodeck where they took

49:09

the villagers from one place to another.

49:11

Oh God, that was so long ago.

49:14

Yeah. That's wild. Hey, we'll

49:16

get back there eventually, buddy. Yeah.

49:18

Next series. But Kohler is like

49:21

right next to me. There's

49:23

a little roll of paper right next to me.

49:25

Is that rolled over the top or over the

49:27

back? We

49:29

can call it a scroll if you will. And

49:33

come study this scroll with me. See

49:36

if you can find a

49:38

way in studying these scrolls

49:41

to help me bring

49:44

my people to deliverance. And

49:47

she's like, all right. I

49:50

mean, the tension and it also

49:52

having to do with Kohler being

49:54

like, hey, Janeway, you ever bend

49:56

any rules to get your crew home? Headed

49:59

in the right direction. Like, look at

50:01

us, we're captains out here in the D quad. Like,

50:04

we gotta bend the rules sometimes, right?

50:06

I think that finally solidifies

50:08

that decision as viable in

50:10

this scene. It does. And

50:13

so, Yi and BLT have

50:16

a meeting in her and

50:18

Tom's quarters. And I loved

50:20

this because there's a moment where

50:22

he's like walking around and he's like, you

50:25

don't have any Kayla shit in here? And

50:28

he is standing in front of like a 1950s toaster

50:31

that's just on the shelf. Like, clearly

50:33

Tom is like so into

50:36

50s shit that he got a fucking

50:38

toaster that- BLT's like, clearly you're not

50:40

familiar with the New Testament. Yeah.

50:42

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

50:45

Yeah. Dude, Kalish loved

50:48

toast. Loved it.

50:50

Yeah. When they brought like

50:52

a genetic facsimile of him to life,

50:55

I'd like Worf gave him the blessing

50:57

to become the head of the Klingon

50:59

empire as a sovereign but not

51:01

as like the political leader. He

51:04

was really into toast. That was in the

51:07

hot pink letter version of

51:09

the book. A

51:11

lot of young Klingons can't afford houses because

51:13

they spend so much on toast with like

51:15

avocado on it and stuff. Yeah. This

51:18

is a really interesting scene because Koller's like,

51:21

I noticed you don't have all

51:23

of the things that I would have if I were

51:25

you in your quarters. And also,

51:27

do you want to pray together? And BLT's like,

51:30

I don't really do any of that. And

51:32

Koller's like, cool, well I'm gonna. Yeah. And

51:35

when he does this, it's such

51:37

a great scene because up until

51:39

this moment, BLT hadn't

51:42

really given these old prayers much thought.

51:45

But as soon as he starts to recite

51:47

it, BLT remembers and she starts

51:49

mouthing the words, something's

51:51

sticking. I

51:54

can remember

51:56

the words to this specific prayer, Which

51:59

implies that. That is so deep

52:01

in my memory. this is

52:04

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56:41

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56:44

his like played a a character

56:46

on the Orval. he's like still

56:48

is still doing stuff I like

56:50

that history trail of. A.

56:54

Clean. On authority figure like many of the other

56:56

clean answer we get to me maybe not all

56:58

them. Like he

57:00

specifically. like, Enough generations

57:02

have passed. From.

57:05

Completely war like crazy cling

57:07

on to like. More.

57:09

Learned and read, cling on

57:12

that like he. He's so.

57:15

Easily he feels like a modern clean

57:17

on and so many ways without having

57:19

been exposed to modern clean and or

57:22

the historical events that would have made

57:24

that possible. You know, like Ray in

57:26

a Nature versus Nurture ten Away Nature

57:28

made this possible. Also, see arrived at

57:31

many of the same inclusive yeah, they're

57:33

contemporary, cling on stage read. They.

57:35

Do the prayer and it's like. This.

57:37

Was very related. will seem to me

57:40

like I'm not a religious man but

57:42

like the times that I have been

57:44

in a group of people reciting a

57:47

prayer. Together. As a

57:49

group, I do find that there

57:51

is something powerful about that, and

57:53

I. A. Little like speaking of Master

57:55

and Commander which we talked about of the beginning

57:57

of this episode. Like that scene at at the.

58:00

Can you bring into the final act

58:02

of Master and Commander when they say

58:04

the Lord's Prayer? I find that

58:06

like an incredibly moving seem like it is

58:09

not about what that prayer means to me,

58:11

it's about what that prayer means to them.

58:13

And I think that. There.

58:15

Is so much in this

58:18

moment. That. Is super

58:20

authentic to that kind of experience.

58:22

Where it's it's like a a

58:24

deep childhood. Memory. For

58:26

for Blt and. You.

58:29

Know like said the idea. That.

58:33

There are lots of

58:35

coincidences that. Her life

58:37

happens to have that line up

58:39

with the scrolls. Starts.

58:41

To become persuasive to her and this

58:44

moment, Yeah. Great scene. So.

58:46

Over and six bay chemist there.

58:49

With. Face wounds, He. From

58:51

his horny cling on. Woman:

58:55

And. Dad Doctor Myrick Oh

58:57

hi Mark has no advice

58:59

decides kill or mates. And.

59:04

He. Gives him a permission slip

59:06

for fucking aliens and that Janeway

59:08

has to sign as well. Yeah,

59:11

Authorization. Granted very dance

59:13

assists. Make sure your return

59:15

the carbon copy to my

59:17

office before you access to it

59:20

says the Harry Kim form. yeah

59:22

it really is didn't exist before

59:24

him. Those pages are stuck together

59:27

because the carbon paper not

59:29

for any other ssssss assess as.

59:33

We at this moment. In

59:35

the lunchroom, after hours were.

59:38

Now. Blt is kind of is trying

59:40

to wear the hat, trying to. Live.

59:43

The truth that. Kohler

59:46

was hoping she would were

59:48

see. Here. Relates some

59:50

of her epic battle

59:52

stories to these people.

59:55

And. Tom. Is like

59:57

you know, soda rotated meal.

59:59

Excited. The some of them. All

1:00:02

the more than she actually did as the

1:00:04

time. By. That that's

1:00:06

just. that's part of the culture,

1:00:08

man. You. Know I love

1:00:10

that he's even at this thing. Good

1:00:12

Job by Tom Paris. Here. He showed

1:00:15

up for all the things you know air. Yeah.

1:00:18

It's not that she's pregnant. They're pregnant.

1:00:21

I bet she wishes she were there

1:00:23

without ssssss We get to know Tigress

1:00:26

a little bit more in this scene.

1:00:28

There have been seen previously in this

1:00:30

episode where he's kind of piped up

1:00:32

here. About how bullshit this all

1:00:35

seems. And this is a scene

1:00:37

where he is very energized. In.

1:00:39

This opinion. And he is not

1:00:41

on board at all. He. He. Feels

1:00:44

like Blt is being perpetrated

1:00:46

by Kohler. And. Or

1:00:48

by the end of it, he challenges. Paris.

1:00:51

In a cited The Death Paris. Accepts

1:00:55

it's a great moment. He

1:00:57

stabs the carving knife into

1:00:59

the bird bird. me and

1:01:01

Paris picks it up and.

1:01:04

I read like maybe a little bit

1:01:06

of a stretch for Paris like a

1:01:08

kennesaw. instead that they were going to

1:01:11

take the seen it or in a

1:01:13

direction of Paris going and I beats

1:01:15

tapped and chaotic guy or I told

1:01:17

some some like bullshit stories but instead

1:01:19

it's there's agreeing to an actual death,

1:01:22

fads and blt be like pets tigress

1:01:24

he worked in tough as Hell. I

1:01:27

think referring to chaotic is super

1:01:29

interesting because. Up until this

1:01:31

moment I was thinking of these killing us is

1:01:33

kind of Lenny Clear Gods was. There.

1:01:35

From a group that only knows of what

1:01:37

was true a hundred years ago. In.

1:01:40

In terms of technology and everything else, I.

1:01:43

Thought for sure this episode was going

1:01:45

to construct a story in which they

1:01:47

could use the holodeck against. Progress.

1:01:50

Where. they would

1:01:53

they would give paris super strength

1:01:55

or something a hollow paris if

1:01:57

you will like there something in

1:01:59

order to to you their technology

1:02:02

advantage against these guys, but that

1:02:04

wasn't the case at all. This seems to be on the up

1:02:06

and up. Tigreth challenges Perez

1:02:08

and he says, yes! I

1:02:16

love that it's like smash cut to the meeting after.

1:02:18

Yes, you do. Janeway's like, you're

1:02:20

not going to do this, right? You're

1:02:22

in so much trouble, Perez. What

1:02:24

was I supposed to say? How about

1:02:27

no? When Tuvok enters this

1:02:29

meeting with Tigreth and

1:02:31

Kohler, the plan is

1:02:33

quickly pivoted into dull

1:02:35

bat-less and not sharp bat-less.

1:02:37

This is American gladiator rules

1:02:40

and not fight to the death rules. We're

1:02:42

going to do a scrim-age instead of a

1:02:44

real game. There will be no death matches

1:02:46

aboard my ship. Meanwhile in

1:02:48

a hallway, Harry is trying to

1:02:51

avoid that horny Klingon lady and

1:02:53

what a guy. Neelix jumps on the

1:02:56

sex grenade for him. You better

1:02:58

believe that one's going to blow big. I

1:03:05

love how Neelix alpha is the shit

1:03:07

out of Harry Kim here. Yeah. This

1:03:10

is great. Didn't know he had

1:03:12

this gear. I didn't either. And then

1:03:14

the next scene is the big bat-less

1:03:16

fight and they've done Star Trek caves

1:03:18

up in the holodeck. The

1:03:20

captain is there with Neelix and

1:03:22

Dr. Mark is like, oh yeah,

1:03:25

I'm basically the ambulance that's

1:03:28

parked ringside in case

1:03:31

one of the fighters goes down hard. There's

1:03:33

one element about this scene that didn't work for me and

1:03:35

I want to know if it's the same for you. Putting

1:03:39

Tom Paris in the bear

1:03:41

suit, like a little kid

1:03:43

wearing a bear suit, I

1:03:46

couldn't get this out of my mind. Here's

1:03:49

my note. I'll read it to you verbatim.

1:03:51

Tom looks like a kid in his dad's business

1:03:53

suit in Klingon armor. It's

1:03:56

the fuzzy arms. I

1:03:58

Wish he had just had. Like cut our

1:04:01

sleeves like his spindly human

1:04:03

arms. Coming out of this

1:04:05

uniform I thought. I thought

1:04:07

would have been better than this costume.

1:04:10

That. List so gonzo. and yeah the

1:04:13

arms don't work but I saw

1:04:15

it is did a great job

1:04:17

with the stage combat lights. might

1:04:19

be dunks? Yes Looks as good

1:04:21

as anybody ever has swinging about

1:04:23

less around in this scene. Printed

1:04:25

out him. It's. A long

1:04:28

fight scene that

1:04:30

has a lot

1:04:32

of attacks and

1:04:35

Perry's ends. ducks.

1:04:37

And getting slammed against the wall than

1:04:39

pushing the guy off and losing your

1:04:41

sword and running for it and getting

1:04:44

it up off the ground just in

1:04:46

time. I love the idea that these

1:04:48

that lesser nonlethal as is like a

1:04:50

yardstick covered in butter knives is still

1:04:53

a fucking hurts the I get the

1:04:55

sharpness isn't the problem with the energy.

1:04:58

Yeah. It's such an exciting seen

1:05:00

it's almost the same. It ends the

1:05:02

way it does began. It just kind

1:05:04

of peters out as to grass. Gets.

1:05:07

More and more gassed and he

1:05:09

just seems like he old man's

1:05:11

out of it. Yeah, he's lucky.

1:05:14

exhausted. Yeah. He's like that

1:05:16

guy you see in that in viral

1:05:18

videos like the the The Boomer at

1:05:20

a sporting event that got too drunk

1:05:22

and like picks a fight with people

1:05:24

that they shouldn't you know and then

1:05:26

as it gets like shoved in new

1:05:28

and I'll yeah that's it. This guy

1:05:30

reads like bear and and so he

1:05:32

goes down and. Color. Explains like

1:05:34

of this is this is no read. At

1:05:37

Risk mascot the Six Bay and

1:05:39

we learn. That. This

1:05:41

is a sneak. It like Wagner read

1:05:43

to the Klingons is like, you know

1:05:45

when you're not fortunate enough to die

1:05:47

an honorable death in the cling on

1:05:49

way. Know. Rec comes and

1:05:52

gets you and. Mark. Is

1:05:54

like now it's this like it's the

1:05:56

sneaky virus said. It. Hides in

1:05:58

your Dna and. The. Transporter

1:06:00

filters didn't sector because it's so.

1:06:03

It's. So dormant. And then it.

1:06:06

Activates. At some point and

1:06:08

it's like singles Yeah, it's

1:06:10

cling on singles, it's it's

1:06:12

placings an Asa and. I

1:06:15

love with Janeway is like. You. Didn't

1:06:17

think the tell us you guys hell heads

1:06:19

a fucking. Disease. And

1:06:22

colors like we do not think of.

1:06:24

This is a disease, it's just a

1:06:26

natural part of our life cycle. Onboard

1:06:28

are like ancient. Claptrap.

1:06:30

The Seven and I love that

1:06:33

little flourish of writing because that

1:06:35

is a real super authentic. The

1:06:37

calling odds were old, we don't

1:06:39

go to the doctor ssssss see

1:06:41

South and about they will establish

1:06:44

dollars. This and the camera kind

1:06:46

of pants over and you realize

1:06:48

that Tom and Bulla have been

1:06:50

standing in six. Pay for all

1:06:53

this. Janeway.

1:06:55

Turns to a doctor. American is like.

1:06:59

She's got it. Yes,

1:07:02

A bases got his.

1:07:06

Seizure have been is seizure

1:07:09

of accident or rec contract

1:07:11

their. Eminent.

1:07:15

Need a new. Microphone

1:07:17

fuzz as the assess

1:07:19

as. They.

1:07:30

Get to dress up off of his

1:07:32

bio Bad. And. Dare to

1:07:35

grass? Heads out of six Pay

1:07:37

to go get ready for to death. As

1:07:43

he is very of said he tells that

1:07:45

the elders that the child is not queen.

1:07:48

I'm on. Specific. And

1:07:54

he seems to be a little bit of

1:07:56

a rabble rouser, right? He kind of eggs

1:07:58

forces the remaining believers. The. And.

1:08:00

Blt a child to maybe

1:08:03

reconsider. Yeah. Their belief

1:08:05

system right? They have the act for

1:08:07

the good of their people to resume

1:08:09

their search and it's like it's a

1:08:11

very much like they didn't realize they

1:08:13

were getting played by Kohler the way

1:08:15

they were. Like. Kohler has been

1:08:17

acting and what he believes is the

1:08:19

good of his people this entire time

1:08:21

and they're like actually the good of

1:08:23

our people is doing this shit we've

1:08:25

been doing and suffering under the entire

1:08:27

time and wins recommit to that. And.

1:08:30

The way to do that is to steal the zip

1:08:32

because we blew up our old one. What?

1:08:34

Do you make the quality? And we see

1:08:36

this all the time in movies and Tv

1:08:39

and in real life. That. As.

1:08:41

Soon as the spell is broken, You.

1:08:44

Know as soon as true believers. Lose

1:08:46

their beliefs, They must

1:08:49

immediately glom onto another justice

1:08:51

substantial belief system like they

1:08:53

cannot be absence. Yeah,

1:08:56

that essential quality. It's like they

1:08:58

either glom onto a new one

1:09:00

or double down on the old

1:09:02

one. Even though it's

1:09:04

like totally absurd at this point. but

1:09:06

it's this feel so real for to

1:09:08

grad to go like yeah, the scrolls

1:09:10

are bullshit guess what were taken over

1:09:13

voyager and for everyone to be like.

1:09:17

There. And then the

1:09:19

next seen as their in the ass lab

1:09:21

and he's like gassing up. Kohler.

1:09:23

Like yeah we gotta find we get to

1:09:25

do a survey of a plant so that

1:09:28

builds his child can lead us to it

1:09:30

because I'm into that Now if you Kohler

1:09:32

and to Grad starts be a nice to

1:09:34

you. That. Suspicious, right?

1:09:37

You got, unless you're really

1:09:39

doubt when to grab starts.

1:09:41

I think helpful Klingons in

1:09:44

general have gotta be suspicious.

1:09:46

Noom. So. You.

1:09:48

Know they come to this

1:09:50

planet and they. Start.

1:09:53

Getting ready to do surveys of the

1:09:55

surface and one of the cling on

1:09:57

says like so Harry Kim tell me

1:09:59

about your transporter, the system and how

1:10:02

they are used and what but new

1:10:04

pushed to do the beaming targeting scanners

1:10:06

circling and a like this scene for

1:10:08

Harry Kim. He's. A real

1:10:11

mark. How can you

1:10:13

be? This guy was. And

1:10:15

be such an accomplished stick man.

1:10:18

And will now or is it the like complete

1:10:20

lack of guile that. Makes. Him

1:10:23

Such a trustworthy lover. It's

1:10:25

what sleds basements across.

1:10:28

The. Quadrant. Go. Back.

1:10:30

And six a Blt. As told by Dr.

1:10:32

Mark that he said a huge breakthrough That's

1:10:34

like. A a tiny

1:10:36

moment in this. Greater.

1:10:38

Sequence: Because. Back.

1:10:41

In the transporter room to coat is like.

1:10:43

I read I'm gonna watch this giant

1:10:45

group of clean adds. To. The

1:10:48

Transporter room algo hidden lead because

1:10:50

I know where that is coming

1:10:52

to say a frontier back turned the

1:10:54

entire time and I'm never even

1:10:56

when I go through the doors of

1:10:58

the transporter room I'm never going to

1:11:01

turn around and walk all the way

1:11:03

up on the pad and then to

1:11:05

booze sees the same burst from

1:11:07

behind. Their. And the

1:11:10

plan that we see unfolds is transporting

1:11:12

the entire voyage recruiter way to the

1:11:14

surface. but they just can't get em

1:11:16

all because there's a force field around

1:11:19

the bridge. The. Bridges

1:11:21

on to this like they see that

1:11:23

there are signs being fired and the

1:11:25

transporter room. I love the Janeway cause

1:11:27

down to engineering and no one answers

1:11:29

and then they whip pan over to

1:11:32

Paris. Needs like figures right? This.

1:11:36

Is my life ssssss

1:11:38

this is went inside

1:11:40

to be me. I'm.

1:11:43

Talking about some shit though I'm

1:11:45

going through and oh somebody is

1:11:47

tagged so you have always or

1:11:49

man fuck and me Juri like

1:11:51

something really important is happening. a

1:11:54

new trend. Didn't dodge. Charger

1:11:57

by asked my knitting and

1:11:59

censor over. The transporter him to

1:12:01

back at a security detail have been

1:12:03

dispatched and they they get there and

1:12:05

time to watch the Klingons beam a

1:12:07

way to. The. Bridge And on

1:12:10

the bridge there is an absolute firefight.

1:12:12

Yeah, they can be into the verse

1:12:14

field, but not out of it. Yeah,

1:12:16

for some reason. But. This firefight

1:12:19

is fucking awesome. It was great. Oh

1:12:21

good we're did the Klingons get dust

1:12:23

busters. I really wanted them to have

1:12:25

clean on weapons here. Though

1:12:27

to and cool yeah, like like take amount

1:12:29

of pieces of their uniform like old school.

1:12:31

It makes sense that they wouldn't when they

1:12:34

were suddenly beamed away from the D Seven.

1:12:36

But like I just love the look of

1:12:38

them so much. Though. It

1:12:40

really must burn cigarette so that

1:12:42

they don't do mercy Killing Zone

1:12:44

Voyager because when he loses his

1:12:46

gun is like are I like,

1:12:48

I'll pay I took a swing

1:12:50

like just dislike do me now

1:12:52

and they're like yeah, we're not

1:12:54

gonna shoot you while you're lying

1:12:56

on her fucking bridge sandwich like

1:12:58

the only thing capable of burning

1:13:00

your toast is a Blt and

1:13:02

Paris's garters ssssss. Turn.

1:13:06

The dial up to eleven see what

1:13:08

happens. Well this one out of business.

1:13:11

He wakes up on a Bio bed.

1:13:13

Cured of the know reds

1:13:16

And it's because Blt child

1:13:18

had a hybrid stem cells.

1:13:21

That. Mark turned into a

1:13:23

cure. A pretty great

1:13:25

doctor and the ship. To

1:13:28

tell by him. Sell it. To.

1:13:30

Grits cured so we're all the rest of

1:13:32

the clean hands So spiel T and the

1:13:34

at her unborn child. Specifically.

1:13:39

To. Grass is like. This.

1:13:41

Is proof. About. Blt

1:13:43

is unborn child like this. This.

1:13:46

Makes me think that the schools work through.

1:13:48

The whole time. Now. He.

1:13:51

Has a fucking religious a moment

1:13:53

here. Where

1:13:55

is like. See. Is the Katamari

1:13:57

Damacy. You

1:14:02

know, the beginning of the episode as at

1:14:05

the Slippers and that's recall as hell and

1:14:07

then the middle. No way. Now for me.

1:14:09

Now. Slipper. And hacker,

1:14:12

hell yeah, gimme them

1:14:14

scrolls. Yeah, Like. A

1:14:16

main point of this. Episode is that

1:14:18

we are. We're taking these cling on

1:14:21

to a planet where they can. Rebuild.

1:14:23

Their society were to drop in a mass. Where.

1:14:26

They get to do this. And.

1:14:30

Almost nothing is made of wood. A

1:14:32

significant moment. This must be in their

1:14:34

lives. And. How fucking terrifying and

1:14:36

has to be on so many levels

1:14:38

that they're just getting left in the

1:14:41

middle of nowhere on like a barren

1:14:43

planet with no teleology or anything. You'd

1:14:45

never get to go down there either.

1:14:48

You. Never see the service even though like

1:14:50

most of the Voyager cruz been. A.

1:14:52

Significant portion of this episode down there

1:14:55

here. Instead you know we get a

1:14:57

little like blog about how they're beaming

1:14:59

everybody down and than to vog coming

1:15:01

back those corners and there's into box

1:15:03

defense know jim saw came from the

1:15:05

door but also know door knobs and

1:15:07

where you hang his. Those

1:15:11

this illegal, the route laid across

1:15:13

the threshold. As

1:15:15

like the drunkest. Moments. Of

1:15:18

those really fun are you doing with your

1:15:20

beverage? By the wow, I'm almost to the

1:15:22

bottom. Feel.

1:15:24

Good. This one of those a

1:15:27

those glasses that starts. Like

1:15:29

look at this puck of glass at the bottom.

1:15:31

Like half of this glasses glass. That is it.

1:15:34

I. Admire you for getting

1:15:36

that home from Eastern Europe. In.

1:15:38

Your south because that's. That's.

1:15:41

A sick during as a lot to

1:15:43

shatter in your suitcase eat. seals like

1:15:45

pounds. Pounds of glass.

1:15:47

Yeah. I love. It. It's

1:15:50

beautiful. To back fine

1:15:52

sir Reg Air in. The.

1:15:55

Room: Who's. That.

1:15:57

The cleaner lady with the boom with my oh

1:15:59

yeah. Yeah, oh god that

1:16:01

you want to talk about musk.

1:16:07

Is is the. Happiest Felix has ever been! They're

1:16:09

both fully clothed, which means like they

1:16:11

tore that ass up and then they

1:16:13

were like getting dressed and they were

1:16:15

still haven't going at it. Yeah, It's

1:16:18

the sort of. Fuck.

1:16:21

Fests that you know there's

1:16:23

some leaking inside the clothes

1:16:25

after. Oh. Yeah. For

1:16:27

share a meal it seems to have

1:16:29

really? I mean he's gotta be fucking

1:16:31

site that Alpha Quadrant is where they're

1:16:34

headed right? Yeah. I mean, if

1:16:36

there's more these out there. He's.

1:16:38

Hurt him as motivated as ever to

1:16:40

get where their ago and. Is.

1:16:43

There. Not room and new

1:16:45

Star Trek for and new

1:16:48

x bump into. Like.

1:16:50

We've seen a lot of these characters.

1:16:53

In. These new shows I think what's so

1:16:55

interesting about that question is how little I

1:16:57

thought of me like said the beginning of

1:16:59

the series and how much I think of

1:17:01

him now have like he would be most

1:17:04

welcome in a new Star Trek series. But

1:17:06

enough. First, the episode of Voyager

1:17:08

hold them under their bath water.

1:17:10

And to the Bible stamps. ssssss.

1:17:12

Just fine with that. Into.

1:17:14

Reagan really trash to axe

1:17:17

corners. He promises to get

1:17:19

everything right. Just go. Fealty

1:17:24

says goodbye to Kohler. In.

1:17:26

A way that I know that you sort of wish

1:17:28

you could say goodbye to color almost every day like

1:17:31

I wish this was in. Something

1:17:33

I had to think about every day.

1:17:37

Sales. And.

1:17:41

We cut to the button of

1:17:43

the episode Tom and Blt hanging

1:17:45

up. A ceremonial bat less

1:17:47

on the wall. In. Their

1:17:50

quarters where their baby daughter will sleep.

1:17:52

you get. Make sure this isn't above

1:17:54

a changing table or recruiter bright. That's

1:17:57

just smart with other bangers likely to

1:17:59

get drunk the the ship yeah like

1:18:01

they say in California like don't hang

1:18:03

or that's under glass of of your

1:18:06

bed because of it falls off the

1:18:08

wall in as earthquakes. I've never heard

1:18:10

that before. Another, that's a

1:18:12

problem for us for out that you as

1:18:14

if he has lots of great art on

1:18:17

your was though I go yeah like it's

1:18:19

a thing to think about and I. I

1:18:21

I think they very wisely hang the

1:18:23

sword on the wall over like the

1:18:26

dresser. You know? worse case scenario it's

1:18:28

going to fall in the for. Not.

1:18:30

Gonna like and lot any

1:18:32

one's head off in midnight.

1:18:35

Banger. And. That

1:18:37

as they as they add.

1:18:40

To the mosque to the baby name

1:18:42

list. And. One more for the list.

1:18:45

Into. The credit spend did you like this

1:18:47

episode? Oh now. I

1:18:57

really like this episode. I thought it

1:18:59

was a great amount of fun as

1:19:01

at it was a great mix of

1:19:04

Star Trek Voyager specific squares. Track Ten

1:19:06

Am. And. I

1:19:08

didn't clock the writer salad at the

1:19:10

beginning of the episodes. I didn't realize

1:19:12

that Larry never check have had something

1:19:14

to do with this year, but it

1:19:17

really make sense. Like somebody that death

1:19:19

Star Trek on this level. Pitching this

1:19:21

as the concept yet is. Something.

1:19:23

That really adds up for me and I

1:19:25

really enjoyed it. Have a new. Man.

1:19:29

I just love a D Sevens! Seen.

1:19:31

Nothing flat around here and this

1:19:33

version of it to looked especially

1:19:35

good. Think they really did a

1:19:38

justice. Yeah. I mean, what a

1:19:40

surprise run in into Klingons this far from

1:19:42

home. I. Almost

1:19:44

think that this could have been

1:19:46

expanded to two episodes like there

1:19:48

is a lot here. lot of

1:19:50

places you could have gone. That.

1:19:53

for single episode sake. He.

1:19:56

Had to keep constrained. Good.

1:19:58

Performances: And. It

1:20:00

really interesting. like midway

1:20:02

through the last season

1:20:04

turn to. Keep. The

1:20:07

D Seven keep these characters

1:20:09

and has. A. Big

1:20:11

part of the last. You.

1:20:13

Know twelve episodes of the season

1:20:15

be about them deconstructing Yeah, This

1:20:18

weird cult religion that they were

1:20:20

all raised and. I

1:20:22

think the reason I bring up

1:20:24

the specter of like like the

1:20:26

phantom limb that is may be

1:20:28

see the cliff hanger into the

1:20:30

second episode is like. You.

1:20:32

Think of all of the adventures the voyagers

1:20:35

been in in the de clawed like. I

1:20:37

can have suspected that these cling on to

1:20:40

be a little more hard to than they

1:20:42

are. The. As they've seen some

1:20:44

shit if voyagers seen some shit hotel

1:20:46

and if they've seen similar sit. Like.

1:20:49

I would expect them to be a little

1:20:51

more shell shocked than how they are. Yeah,

1:20:54

Like, as I would have appreciated a

1:20:56

read on the Klingons like I understand,

1:20:58

it is like there's only. So.

1:21:00

Many dimensions of tests you can play

1:21:02

here. And I understand this

1:21:04

is why the Klingons are how they

1:21:07

present themselves, but like to get a

1:21:09

version of the Klingons? That, or maybe

1:21:11

even more alien. Then.

1:21:13

What they were expecting because of their

1:21:16

experience re like what it's like in

1:21:18

the process of meeting each other at

1:21:20

this point in the de clawed like

1:21:22

voyager and has gone through a bunch

1:21:24

of space that cause. They're. Shipped

1:21:26

to have like board stuff a

1:21:29

man him other influences Alien was.

1:21:32

Like. If the Klingons had a

1:21:34

Klingons but changed as much as

1:21:36

that yeah kind of set up

1:21:38

going, that would have been such

1:21:40

as. An interesting approach

1:21:42

to this story? Yeah, I

1:21:45

agree. But. That's just for

1:21:47

our imagination. Man. Well.

1:21:51

The want see if anything peaks

1:21:53

or imagination and the prairie one

1:21:56

inbox. Adam, oh those are real.

1:21:59

Them. I believe they're real.

1:22:02

Priority One. Channel.

1:22:06

Nice little of the moon

1:22:08

of settlement. Of

1:22:10

is actually. Or the interest

1:22:13

alone could be enough to buy this ship. Or

1:22:17

first be one is of

1:22:19

a promotional major and goes

1:22:21

like this: Hello Ben and

1:22:23

Adam and the Fo D

1:22:25

community just wanted to give

1:22:27

a shoutout to the fun,

1:22:29

supportive collection of food nerds

1:22:31

we call the greatest exo

1:22:33

cooks on Facebook. Without their

1:22:35

support, I wouldn't have started

1:22:37

my blog side project Chef

1:22:40

Lenny tour.com which is a

1:22:42

collection. of self guided food tours in

1:22:44

and around and Y C. Is

1:22:47

he too had a food to

1:22:49

her that you could do. What

1:22:51

would it be Cs have Club

1:22:53

Factory seconds in hand? The green

1:22:55

onion sung this Wow! I love

1:22:57

the idea of doing a suit

1:22:59

tour man. That's. A great

1:23:01

question. I.

1:23:03

Do like barbecues by Greatest Love

1:23:05

as a food but I wouldn't

1:23:07

wanna do a tour of it

1:23:09

cause. I

1:23:11

just wanna eat all of it at

1:23:14

the first place. In

1:23:16

our for and minutes you and

1:23:18

I had discussed a concept for

1:23:21

a podcast that was like. Old.

1:23:24

Timey Steakhouse. Oh yeah, and

1:23:26

the significant old? Timey steakhouses

1:23:28

of every city. It seems

1:23:31

like every. Every city

1:23:33

has one of these. And they're

1:23:35

all a little bit distinct base done on

1:23:37

where they're located. It. Seems like.

1:23:40

And I love these places. so much

1:23:42

like I love the darkness in the

1:23:44

booth ness and the status of them

1:23:47

like this all a spider webs have

1:23:49

been the up in the corners of

1:23:51

the ceilings. yeah I think that would

1:23:53

be the sort of food tour. That

1:23:56

would interest me the most. Like why.

1:23:59

Do. I live these places so much.

1:24:01

Why does why does everyone in

1:24:03

every city get really walk him

1:24:06

for a moment? There's yes, I

1:24:08

think they're just great. I think

1:24:10

that's that's without and I think

1:24:12

that's fun. I am not a

1:24:14

celebrity, but if I ever got

1:24:16

to a point where like hundreds

1:24:18

of thousands of people really gave

1:24:20

a shit. I

1:24:23

might write a here's a

1:24:25

food tour of my childhood

1:24:28

and take people through the

1:24:30

like. The restaurants that

1:24:32

I still think out today that are

1:24:34

still open today is that like formed

1:24:36

my food identity and most of them

1:24:39

are are gonna be in the Bay

1:24:41

Area and a couple you know I

1:24:43

got a couple of the most important

1:24:45

ones are gone because restaurants go away.

1:24:48

And. That's just part of life

1:24:50

and a part of that business.

1:24:52

Bad though, like a burrito place

1:24:55

that I formed my my attachment

1:24:57

to bury those is still open.

1:25:00

There's like a pizza restaurant in

1:25:02

like Berkeley and Oakland's that does

1:25:04

like Cargo style pizza for some

1:25:07

reason called Zachary is that was

1:25:09

like a big part of my

1:25:11

pizza awakening as a child's They

1:25:14

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in San Francisco. Also a very

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boys coming to a close, have

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you considered transitioning commentary to Quantum

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Leap or X Files? just trying

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to keep some money train rolling

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with love. I like

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sure that the money spigot. Remains

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yeah, do you watch Exiles?

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up really. I I agree was

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did I loved X Files when

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it was out? Yeah I'm gonna

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say I really watched it like.

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A or seven years ago and

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really likes the first several seasons

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that kind of like. Was

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so popular at a certain

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point that it was like

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a little bit of victim

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of it's own success where

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scale and the weirder towns

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worked better for it. You.

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that you like? He's he's like that.

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How they always get it just a

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little bit. wrong. I just had a really

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powerful memory back to when that X

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Files as a thing and I had

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just come home from a haircut I

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was still living at home. I must

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have been high school or something. Yeah, and

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my mom was like, hey, you just

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you look just like most dire from

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that Exile show that you watch. As

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Kim is Voyagers stick

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man. And. Yet.

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next time we hang. Out with Doctor Star Trek. I'm

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if you're an actor that's a

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pretty fun show schedule for yourself.

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lists and that it's memorable. Fights:

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a that I'm that's it's for

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today. let's figure out what's next week's

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is gonna look like for us. As

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course for that we turn to gas

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that his last game where we

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came the game of but holes. Will

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have the caretaker of Italy

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quickly. About next week's episode.

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It's called. The. Void.

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Voyager sucked.

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Into. An inescapable subsidies void.

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Which. Is inhabited only by other trapped

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vessels. Battling. Each other for

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survival. Doesn't. Voyager know

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they they should avoid. The.

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Void. He

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would think. Math. Jonathan.

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