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seriously, if there are any professionals in,

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2:11

Anyone? No. I bet half of

2:13

you got a fucking PhD though. It's

2:16

not useful for my bikini line. I'll tell you

2:18

that now. I'm sure you're saving the

2:20

world, but I just, you should

2:22

see my, I went for a swim today and you should see my

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like, I haven't got time. I'm on tour.

2:27

Has anyone got a home kit and

2:30

feels confident? No. Okay.

2:33

All right. I'm on my own. Can

2:36

anyone lend me a razor? No.

2:43

I'm a feminist, but, I'm

2:51

a feminist, but when I see women

2:54

in swimwear with their

2:58

butt cheeks fully exposed,

3:02

on the outside, I'm like, yes,

3:04

you go girl. But on the

3:06

inside, I am like

3:08

a conservative prude going, oh, oh,

3:12

oh, put that in a

3:14

wetsuit. Oh. Is

3:18

that your most boomer opinion, Geraldine? Yeah.

3:21

Probably. Just pop the peaches away.

3:24

Yeah. Yeah. I'm

3:26

like, oh, but I'm very torn because

3:28

I'm like, yes, yes, you should, am

3:31

I jealous? I don't know. I

3:34

feel the same. Sometimes I have an

3:36

internal response to something and I think, I'm sure

3:39

that's patriarchy that's trained me that way, but here

3:41

we are now and it's

3:44

a bit low. Yeah. I

3:47

actually do enjoy other

3:49

people's sort of like gay abandon, you know, when

3:51

they just sort of. Yes.

3:54

But then I find myself like, like

3:57

having this inner turmoil of going,

3:59

yeah. but no and then

4:01

eventually going you're staring so

4:05

staring yeah

4:08

just yeah while

4:10

you decide what is internalized

4:12

patriarchy and what's a bit

4:14

much in a public space

4:17

somebody else is looking back going like I'm

4:19

up here yeah I'm a feminist

4:24

but but

4:31

I do genuinely feel

4:34

like there's about 48 hours about four days

4:37

before my period where I just shouldn't be

4:39

listened to because

4:43

I am fucking unhinged

4:47

I mean about my my girlfriend but

4:51

six months ago I was really

4:55

really riding the PMS train

4:57

and and I

4:59

said to my girlfriend oh my my career is

5:02

going nowhere my come get it I think I

5:04

think I think I think I'm gonna join the

5:06

army I'm gonna join the army my

5:09

girlfriend very tactfully said okay

5:14

I'm not dismissing your truth but

5:19

you did say my

5:22

career is going nowhere I'm gonna join the

5:24

army 28 days ago 28 days before that this is

5:26

the value of a same-sex

5:33

relation where the other person also menstruates

5:35

isn't it the only one because

5:38

because my husband would stop downloading

5:40

the forms yeah the part

5:46

that I'm questioning is the army me too

5:49

I mean I sort of saw

5:51

you as someone really like left-wing

5:54

and pacifist and that's why I booked you for the show

5:57

oh yeah oh yeah and

5:59

you're now revealing I'm feeling that, what are you

6:01

gonna do in the army that's gonna make you

6:03

feel comfortable with your politics? That's my real question

6:05

for you. Darling, don't ask for logic. I can't

6:07

even get up in the morning. I'd be the

6:09

worst soldier in the world. Is

6:12

it just sort of a private Benjamin

6:14

G.I. Jane fantasy? No, again, you're

6:17

looking for a reason where there is none. I can't.

6:21

The army, it's given me

6:23

pause, I tell you. Well,

6:25

listen, I'm menstruating boot camp,

6:28

that's what I say. I've

6:30

forgotten mine now. I'm

6:34

a feminist, but I really,

6:36

no, I'm a feminist and

6:39

I really love, for the first ever

6:41

time, having a female tour

6:43

manager. Give it up for Kylie Jackson.

6:45

Wooo! Kylie, can

6:47

you just come out? Can

6:49

you just come out and just, she's

6:52

absolutely amazing. Wooo! Let's

6:55

do a quick, and she's always glamorous.

6:57

I've never, I've toured so many times, I don't,

6:59

oh, actually, no, I have had a female tour manager

7:01

once, but years ago before the guilty feminist. Kylie, thank

7:03

you so much, you've been doing an amazing job. And

7:06

now, can you leave so I can do the bus? Yeah,

7:08

thank you very much. But, I

7:13

have to, I

7:17

don't have to. I always feel I have to offer

7:19

to help with the suitcases. So

7:22

we're at the airport, if it's a man,

7:24

a male tour manager, I just wander away.

7:26

I just go, well, this is my bits

7:28

on the stage, my bits going onto the

7:30

stage in a sparkly cloak. My

7:32

bits that, I don't have to do suitcases. But

7:35

when it's Kylie, I go, can I give you a hand with that?

7:38

Kylie goes, no, I'm the tour manager. And she just heaves it up.

7:40

She has a lot of weight lifting in her spare time. She

7:43

just heaves it up. And I

7:45

found myself at the airport the other day going,

7:47

oh, you're so strong. And she looked at me, and

7:49

I went, yeah,

7:52

no, I said that. Yeah.

7:56

Do you know where I could join the army? Ha

7:59

ha ha. I'm

8:02

a feminist but I

8:04

think my wife should stay in the

8:06

kitchen. What

8:09

is happening here? Just

8:13

during the times when she wants

8:16

to do the laundry, because she's

8:18

not good at

8:21

doing the laundry and she disrupts my

8:23

system, so

8:26

she should just stay out of

8:28

it. Let me do it.

8:35

I don't think this needs any

8:38

more follow-up questions at all. I

8:40

just wanted to ask if your ranking was Colonel or Major.

8:45

Grace, have you got any more? I'm

8:48

a feminist but when I read that Olivia Rodrigo

8:50

was born in 2003, I

8:54

thought, shouldn't

8:57

she be in school? She's

9:00

just got a driver's license, famously.

9:03

Famously. And then when I

9:05

read a bit more about it, when I

9:07

read that she

9:09

has won three Grammy Awards, an Arduino,

9:11

an American musical ordina Brit, and

9:14

she was named Time Magazine's Best Entertainer of

9:16

2021, I'm

9:19

going to join the army. Are

9:23

we ready to start the show? Then

9:26

welcome, welcome, welcome to

9:28

the Guilty Feminist live

9:30

tour here in Adelaide.

9:34

Carly Jackson, everybody! Big

9:38

giving off for Geraldine Hickey and

9:40

Grace Petrie. Two

9:42

incredible feminists you'll be seeing a

9:45

lot more of tonight. Along

9:48

with our other very special guests, our other screen. Hello

9:52

Adelaide, it's been a while since we've been here.

9:55

Thank you so much for coming out. It's

9:58

just wonderful to see you. Give us a

10:00

cheer if this is your first time at the guilty feminist. Give

10:03

us a cheer if you've been before. Give

10:06

us a cheer if you listen at Hope. Give

10:09

us a cheer if you don't know what you're at. Oh,

10:13

those people are up the back. Notice

10:15

that their cheer is less certain,

10:19

less feminist if you will. But

10:21

don't worry, by the time that

10:24

you leave here tonight, your cheer will be

10:26

just as sound. Fair, Minist and Jubilant

10:28

is the ones down the front. It's not a cult, lock

10:30

the doors. If you

10:32

don't know what you're at, you're at a podcast. And if

10:34

you don't know what a podcast is, it's radio that nobody

10:36

stops you making. It's why women do it so often. It's

10:38

the normal channels are closed down to us. So,

10:41

yeah, this is a podcast about feminism, but

10:44

it's funny. That's the sort of nub of

10:46

it. Just

10:48

give us a cheer if you

10:50

would say that you have a feminist job. It doesn't have

10:52

to be a job you're paid for, could be. Or

10:55

it could be a volunteer role or some other project

10:57

you're doing. But if you think your day job is

10:59

feminist, or you have some other kind of feminist role

11:01

in life, just give us a cheer. Give

11:06

us a cheer if you think your role is not feminist.

11:09

Oh, I'm interested in that. What? You

11:12

sounded... It's

11:14

more... Normally that would get more of a... But

11:17

you went, whoo! It's an unfeminist

11:19

role, which I liked. Who's got an

11:21

unfeminist job? Yes, what's

11:23

yours? You work in fashion. You work

11:25

in fashion? What do you do? Wholesale.

11:29

Wholesale. Is

11:31

it fast fashion or sustainable?

11:34

Sustainable-ish. Sustainable-ish.

11:40

Nothing sustainable, really. So my question

11:43

is now, do you do any

11:45

Trojan horse feminism within

11:47

your industry, secret feminism?

11:50

Are you in there infiltrating? You

11:53

do what you can. So are you trying to

11:55

sell stuff to shops?

11:58

You're trying to sell people stuff. What did you tell us

12:01

what brand it is? You

12:04

work with lots of different brands you're being quite

12:06

coy is that because this is gonna be

12:08

out on a podcast What

12:10

I'm interested are there

12:12

any brands I would like? Because

12:14

I would be very sustainable if you gave me

12:17

the clothes I would

12:19

sustain I'd keep them for age. I'm really good. You'll

12:21

see me look at my Instagram. I'm in the same

12:23

things for years Red carpet

12:25

events. Oh, there it is. Then there's the long red

12:27

jacket again. Deb's brought that one out again I

12:30

hold on to my stuff. I get very little I

12:32

get nice stuff very little and I wear it over

12:34

and over again And I used to be like oh

12:36

all these other people got really fancy things for everything

12:39

and now then just one day It

12:41

just turned out to be there was a big

12:43

announcement that that's more sustainable And that's the

12:45

that's the best thing to do

12:47

and suddenly I was fashionable because

12:49

like Kate Middleton. I wore things

12:51

again And I

12:54

immediately turned it into a celebrity chic statement

12:57

But really I was just buying something. Is there anything that you

12:59

can see me in that you buy that you sell I'm

13:07

not getting anything free here, and I think that's what we've

13:09

established I Was

13:11

looking for some kind of

13:13

sponsorship deal But

13:16

really I feel like we've mined that as much

13:18

as possible I'm a

13:20

size 14 to 16 if you want to send to me

13:22

anything My channels are open

13:26

You know dress me is what I'm

13:28

saying dress me like a bar. I'm a feminist,

13:30

but dress me like a Barbie Thank

13:34

you anyone else do anything unfeminist More

13:37

unfeminist than than slightly sustainable

13:39

fashion More

13:41

unfeminist than that anyone got anything more infemines

13:44

that because my audience I have realized is

13:46

broken into three parts people that do something

13:48

with gender in the title something women in

13:50

the title The

13:52

second group is people who do something like health

13:55

care or literacy or some big-picture Societal

13:57

thing and the third section is people doing

13:59

PhD in Virginia Woolf. Just

14:02

give us a share if you're doing a PhD. Yeah

14:05

there's always so many people doing PhDs in

14:07

my audience. A picture of

14:09

you've already got your PhD. Yeah

14:12

that's the rest of them. Very

14:14

few people, very few people, very

14:16

few people. Adrienne Bohm

14:18

who produces this is in tonight. Adrienne I'm

14:20

telling you next time you bring Jimmy Carr

14:22

over go into that stadium and shout out

14:24

is anyone doing a PhD. There'll

14:28

be more of them but I'm telling you

14:30

now not one. There'll be not a one. There'll

14:33

be there'll be one doctor who's come in the

14:36

wrong entrance and thought they were saying something else

14:38

was brought by someone else that's all. What

14:41

who if you're doing a PhD just shout out again. What

14:44

are you doing your PhD in? Well-being

14:48

in youth orchestras. I am

14:51

so sorry I did not mean to laugh that is a

14:53

really important thing. That's a very

14:56

important thing. Listen those youth orchestras they've got

14:58

to have well-being and we

15:00

need more youth orchestras. We do, we

15:02

do. Young people need to be making

15:04

music. It's so good for us as

15:06

human beings. It builds empathy, collaboration. It

15:08

makes your brain better for maths. It's

15:10

just such a wonderful, wonderful thing to

15:12

do and I'm so thrilled

15:15

that somebody is checking on the

15:17

well-being in an academic way

15:19

and going deep into, deep

15:21

dive into. What is

15:23

that though? Like what

15:26

could it possibly be? Like you're going to

15:28

spend seven years analyzing whether

15:30

the first violinist is having a

15:33

nice time. I don't know. Is

15:37

having a mental health episode because of the stress

15:39

of being young and having to do

15:41

that with the whole orchestra where everyone takes their eye

15:43

off the conductor and then they think oh fuck we

15:45

don't know we're doing it. Then the first violinist goes

15:49

and everyone's back in time. So it's the sort of

15:51

responsibility of that. Is it the kid that plays the

15:53

cymbals going oh fuck I've only got one moment. Can't

15:55

fuck it up, can't fuck it up, can't fuck it

15:57

up, can't fuck it up, can't fuck it up, Oh,

16:00

I fucked it up. Is

16:02

it that kind of stuff? Like, genuinely I'm

16:05

asking. That's

16:07

your dissertation. My

16:10

honorary doctorate, please. Does

16:13

anyone give out honorary doctorates? Michelle McCourt

16:15

and I asked this in New Zealand the other night, and

16:17

we would both be interested in one. I

16:20

got offered one, but then apparently it didn't, some

16:23

person who was booking it said, oh, we didn't think you'd want to get up that

16:25

early. And I was like, what? Get

16:27

up that early for a free PhD? I'd

16:29

get up at any time for that. What are you talking about?

16:31

And I think the moments pass now, and you can't go back

16:33

to a university and go, you know that

16:35

honorary doctorate that you offered me? Is

16:38

it still going? It just feels a bit desperate, given

16:40

I didn't earn it in any way or work for

16:42

it. So if anyone here is

16:44

giving away honorary doctorates, I

16:46

will fully come and I'll do a speech. I'll wear

16:48

this glittery cloak if necessary as an academic gown

16:51

and a matching mortarboard. Anyone

16:54

who else is doing a PhD? Give us a cheer?

16:58

I don't have a lot of miles to say now, apparently. Have I

17:00

scared you off? Have I scared you off? Anybody

17:02

else doing a PhD? Yes?

17:06

You're telling on someone else now. Have you

17:08

heard of Woo? What was your Woo? What was your Woo? That's

17:15

very niche, isn't it? Just

17:18

like silence. Okay,

17:21

anybody got a feminist job or project they want to tell us

17:23

about? Yes? What's yours?

17:27

A disability advocate, okay. How can we

17:29

help with that? Contacting

17:36

your MP? And when we contact our

17:38

MP, what do we say? More

17:41

funding. More funding for disabled people. And

17:43

when you say you're an advocate, do you have an organisation that

17:45

you work with? Yes. Okay,

17:48

would you like to say what it... Sorry?

17:53

Disability Rights Advocacy Service. Disability Rights Advocacy

17:56

Service. And is that your full-time job? Your

17:58

full-time job. Disability Rights Advocacy Service. service. Do you

18:00

need money? Your

18:04

government funded so no. We're not allowed to give

18:06

you money because then we might be... we

18:09

can give you personally money. Do

18:12

you have a Patreon or a sort of or

18:14

just a handbag we could pour it into? So

18:17

you're paid by the government so we're not allowed

18:19

to interfere with that and give you side hands

18:21

because otherwise the government would be like oh you're

18:24

corrupt but if anyone would like to buy you

18:26

a drink in the bar tonight that would be

18:28

very much appreciated because you're fully underpaid by the

18:30

government to do disability rights advocacy of course because

18:32

the government don't pay well for that do they?

18:34

No. You're in the front row. What's

18:37

your name? Sarah. She's in the

18:39

front row. Her name's Sarah. Buy her

18:41

a fucking drink. She's

18:44

working tirelessly for feminism for

18:48

no money an hour which is what the government... you

18:51

know a lot. Excellent. Okay super.

18:53

Anyone else doing anything they want

18:55

to tell us about? Either feminist,

18:57

unfeminist, academic, anything local that

19:00

you need help with? Yes

19:02

go on. What was

19:04

that? I'm a midwife.

19:07

You're a midwife bringing

19:09

life into the world and

19:12

how is that? I love it. You

19:14

love it. How many babies have

19:16

you given birth to? I mean not

19:18

personally. Have you ushered into this world

19:21

this week? Yeah.

19:24

Five? Five this

19:26

week? What day is

19:29

it? Saturday? Is it

19:32

Saturday night? If it's Saturday it must be Adelaide.

19:36

Five? You've given birth to one a day?

19:38

I mean not given birth. You've helped

19:40

somebody else give birth one a day? What you

19:43

just... what? They just call you up and go there's one

19:45

over here and you just get and drive over and you...

19:48

What do you do? You

19:50

stand there going push, you

19:53

know you push too much, push

19:55

harder. Shift work. Do

20:01

you ever have a mid-shift in the middle

20:03

of the labour and tag

20:05

out and say I'm going home now? Or

20:08

once you've started, do you? I

20:11

would find that disconcerting. If I had half

20:13

a baby out, I

20:15

would not really want you going, well that's

20:17

me. Sorry

20:20

that's my Uber. I'd

20:24

really want you to wait to the whole, presumably

20:26

if the head's out, you hang

20:28

around. But if it's going to be another 17 hours

20:31

of just sweating and swearing, you

20:33

go, oh, I'm watching

20:38

like Happy Valley with my

20:40

partner and they're

20:42

already at home and then they just have to

20:44

tag it. But so if I booked you as

20:46

a midwife, would you introduce me to

20:48

like a team and it could be any one of you?

20:52

You would? Okay. Is it

20:54

very exciting to get to see the miracle of

20:56

life constantly? Yeah, it

21:00

must be exciting because you're the most important person in that

21:02

person's life. Like they'll never forget you because

21:05

you've, assuming you do it well, you're

21:09

like, oh my God, you brought my little

21:11

life into the world. That's

21:14

absolutely amazing. Do you need

21:16

anything from feminism? Is

21:19

it well paid? Could

21:23

do with a little bit more. How would that

21:25

happen? Okay.

21:29

Will you work on that? On how we

21:31

can help, but also, so we're buying Sarah

21:33

a drink. What's your name? Isabel.

21:37

If you enjoy the miracle of birth, buying

21:39

Isabel a drink in the interval, if you're

21:42

interested in becoming a midwife, ask her about it.

21:44

Anyone interested in becoming a midwife? No,

21:47

people are like actively, no, usually feminists always like,

21:49

oh, if I didn't, so many feminists say

21:51

to me, if I wasn't doing anything I was doing, I would be a

21:53

midwife. Literally everyone says that to

21:55

me. So it turns out not

21:58

in Adelaide. The

22:00

team is set. How many midwives are there in Adelaide? Could

22:05

do with some more... All

22:08

right, fast fashion. You're

22:11

doing something super unfeminist. Give

22:14

up peacoats and colots.

22:19

Get into... getting

22:21

humans the size of a

22:24

watermelon out of the hole the size of

22:26

a tampon. That's your

22:28

new... That's the new

22:30

job. All right, so you've got two people to

22:32

buy drinks for. If anyone else thinks of anything

22:34

they'd like help with, let us know. And listen,

22:36

when that PhD is done, please come on the show

22:39

and explain. How long... How

22:41

far away are you from... Six

22:45

weeks in. Oh,

22:47

fuck. Oh,

22:50

good. Oh, well, good luck with that. How

22:53

many years is it? Four.

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25:11

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25:35

All right, I think it's time to

25:37

start the podcast proper. So please welcome

25:39

out back to the stage. My co-pilot

25:41

of this evening is the incredible Geraldine

25:43

Hickey. Hello. Got

25:47

my stubby collar. Just

25:58

quickly, can I just start by? Where's

26:01

the midwife? Do

26:03

you need her? No. But

26:07

yes, you should get paid more. And I

26:10

know we're in South Australia but at the moment

26:12

the Victorian nurses are on strike, including

26:14

the midwives, for better pay conditions. So that's

26:16

what we can do is we can support

26:18

them. Don't ask me any details because I

26:20

don't know. Something about just

26:24

leave and more hours and

26:26

being able to put leave in the bank. So

26:30

other people can, like if you've been working for

26:32

ages and you've got all this leave and someone

26:34

else, you can give your leave to a mate,

26:36

put it in the bank. That's the most femtest

26:38

thing I've ever heard. Isn't that fucking right? What, so you

26:40

could give someone else a week of holiday? Yeah,

26:43

well if they need it, you know, just, I don't

26:45

know, I don't, oh, don't

26:48

fact check everything that I say. It sounds like a

26:50

nice idea but I wouldn't, would

26:52

they be striking for that though? It sounds

26:54

like a lovely idea. Yes, no, yes. They

26:57

must be striking for more than that because

26:59

it's something more things than that. More things

27:01

than that. But nurses added one of the

27:03

things, a pay rise as well. And

27:07

also nurses and midwives. Yeah,

27:09

but you know Australia, so

27:11

many of my friends who were doctors are coming out to

27:13

Australia from the UK. A friend of mine came out. She's

27:16

got a baby. She and her husband were both working

27:18

full-time as doctors in the UK for 48

27:20

hours a week each. That's

27:22

too much. She's on parental

27:24

leave now because she's got a little baby. Her

27:27

partner is earning more

27:29

than both of them were earning put

27:31

together in the UK and he's working 38

27:33

hours a week. Yeah,

27:35

so you're getting all of our doctors. We're not going

27:38

to have, I mean, because they're also like, oh, are

27:40

my doctors from, he's British. Yeah,

27:42

and the downside is they

27:44

get to live in Australia

27:46

where it's warm and sunny

27:49

and there's beaches. So there are people from

27:51

London going, I'm trying to think of,

27:54

trying to think of the downside. I'm trying to

27:56

think of a reason not to leave Brighton

27:59

and... go to a proper beach. Yeah.

28:03

You've got the Ferris wheel and stuff in

28:05

Brighton, that's fun, like the, you know. You've

28:10

got the rides and stuff there, I've been

28:12

on them, they're good fun. Yeah, we've got

28:14

the end of the pier, but if you're

28:16

raising a child, you can sort of see

28:18

how you might rather have a house in

28:20

Melbourne. But beach is safer in Brighton, no.

28:22

Well that's because you can't swim in them.

28:24

Yeah. It's

28:26

freezing cold and there's rocks on the beach.

28:28

Yeah, no. So the reason the beaches are

28:30

not as safe in Melbourne is you can actually go in and

28:34

the ocean's always gonna try and get you.

28:36

Yeah. If you give it half a

28:38

chance. Yeah, that's why I go in waist deep with

28:40

my boogie board. I

28:44

can see. I

28:46

can see that. How have you been

28:48

Geraldine? Have you, I haven't seen you since, we

28:50

were in Adelaide together on the last tour. I've

28:53

seen you for a while. I thought it was last

28:55

year, but apparently, you know, what is time, who cares?

28:58

But I've been, I've been, but I've been to

29:01

Adelaide a few times since, not

29:03

without you, I'm so sorry. But

29:06

yeah, I've been, he had been doing stuff.

29:09

I got married just after the last time

29:11

I was here. Oh, yes. Yes. Congratulations.

29:16

Was that exciting? It was

29:18

a great, it was a big wedding. Was

29:21

it? Yeah. Because- I feel like

29:23

you shouldn't say that because I wasn't invited. I

29:25

think you should say it was an intimate wedding. No,

29:28

it was, it was big, but I

29:30

knew you weren't available. I'm

29:34

pretty sure- How was it? No, because I did

29:36

ask if you were going to be around. I'm

29:38

kidding. Honestly, you don't need to invite me to your wedding. But

29:41

I am open to it the same way I'm open to honorary

29:44

PhDs if anybody is getting married.

29:46

Yeah. But yeah, we

29:48

had a lot of people

29:50

and, you know, when people

29:52

were like, oh, you're having a big wedding.

29:54

Like why, why so many people? And it

29:56

was, well, first of all, we did fight

29:58

pretty hard for the right. to get

30:00

married. Yes. So we

30:03

wanted to have a party. And

30:06

also, my wife and I, we both come

30:08

from reasonably big families. And we just wanted

30:10

to include, like we get along well with

30:12

our cousins and stuff. So we wanted to

30:14

include aunts, uncles, cousins, nieces, nephews, all of

30:16

that. And that's

30:18

what we told everybody. But really, it

30:20

was because my wife saw a tarot

30:22

card reader. And yeah. And what

30:24

did the tarot card reader say? You're going to have

30:27

a big wedding. And she was. That

30:30

tarot card reader was angling for an invitation. Maybe.

30:32

Maybe. Because you're going to have a big wedding.

30:35

And my wife was like, oh, it's early days. We're

30:38

still playing. And she goes, no, no, no, sorry. It

30:41

has to be big because your

30:43

community needs it. Yeah.

30:47

That is lovely, but also manipulative. Yeah.

30:50

Because you had to foot the

30:52

bill, didn't you? Yeah. But

30:55

we had it at home. So it was all. But

31:00

not inside the house. And we lived next door to

31:02

a park, like

31:04

a national park, state park. And

31:07

we just got permission to be out

31:09

there. And I mowed

31:11

the lawns before everyone came. Fancy.

31:14

Yeah. Because the park

31:16

people, the park rangers, they come

31:19

in once a year too. Because

31:22

there was a fire break

31:25

next door. Do you know what a fire break is?

31:27

Yeah. I think so. Do

31:29

you ever know where a fire break is? Maybe

31:31

explain in case somebody out here doesn't know. Yeah.

31:33

So a fire break is like, if there's a

31:35

bushfire, there's like a

31:38

patch where there's nothing. So just basically

31:40

so the fire can have a break

31:42

before continuing on. I'm

31:46

pretty sure that's not what it is. No, no. It's

31:49

so fire trucks and stuff can get through.

31:51

So it's just cleared land. And so they

31:54

come in like once a year to mow.

31:57

We're getting close to the day and the grass is getting. So

31:59

I've got the ride on. I wore out and went up and down,

32:01

up and down. Are you allowed to

32:03

do that? Yeah, yeah. Did you

32:05

ask to do that? No, yeah, but we do

32:07

it all the time. Don't worry about it. I'm

32:09

not sure you're allowed to mow a national park.

32:12

It's a state park, so it's different. But

32:16

I, but, no, we are, because I did

32:18

it, and then we

32:20

are because I did it. I like that. But

32:23

then I finished it, but I went back, I was

32:25

admiring my, I don't know if you've ever mowed a

32:27

lot of lawn before, but you've- Never mowed a national

32:29

park, no, or a state park, because I'm satisfied. You've

32:31

got to stand back and look at it. And that's

32:34

what I was doing. I went back, because it started

32:36

to rain as well. Anyway, I was pouring rain. I'm

32:38

on the ride, I'm going, oh, get it. And

32:41

then I did it, and then went inside. I

32:43

was admiring my work. And then that's, once a

32:45

year, I remember this, that's when Parks Vic rocked

32:47

up with their big tractor. And

32:49

then I ran out, and I've already done it. And

32:52

they're like, did you do this? And I'm like, yes, and

32:54

they're like, oh, this is terrific. Thanks very much. So you're

32:56

allowed to. Wow.

33:02

I would have no idea. I would have thought they would have

33:04

said, you are not allowed to do it. In Britain, this

33:06

is what I love about Australia. In Britain,

33:09

they'd be like, well, let's get to the rules. And I'd be

33:11

like, but you were just about to do it. I've saved you

33:13

all the work. And they'd be like, no, no, no, no, no,

33:15

it's my job. And you shouldn't have done it. It's more than

33:17

my job's worth, or they would get really cross. I love that

33:19

in Australia, the guys just turn up and go, oh, job done.

33:21

Time for a sausage roll. Yeah. Time

33:23

for a Chico roll, mate. Yeah. What else

33:25

do you have? Golden Gate on. It's

33:29

always the most amusing. It's always the most

33:31

amusing Australian snack. A hot Milo. Might

33:35

have a lie down on a hot

33:37

Milo. Yeah, absolutely. A violet crumble. Oh,

33:39

yum. Yeah. These are things

33:41

we can't get. A Golden Rough. Do you

33:43

get a Crunchy? Yeah,

33:45

they're international. Yeah,

33:47

Crunchy's are better than a violet crumble anyway.

33:50

No, I'll fight you. They've turned. They've

33:53

turned. So you

33:55

need to bite the chocolate off. But no,

33:57

okay. The bar,

33:59

Crunchy. is superior, the

34:01

bite-sized pieces, violet crumble, yes

34:04

please. Okay, well you know

34:06

how to please Geraldine if you are

34:08

trying to get them to come to

34:10

your school.

34:13

I don't know what it is you want from Geraldine.

34:15

I can do school talks, no problem. Yeah, okay. If

34:18

next time Geraldine is in Adelaide you can get

34:20

them to come to your school, luring

34:23

them in with a crunchy. Do

34:25

not, and I cannot be too clear about this,

34:27

leave a trail of violet crumbles.

34:31

They won't be there. And you've given up drinking

34:33

you told me backstage. Yes. But

34:35

I said why and then you went, oh we've got to

34:37

go on now, so I never heard why. Because

34:40

I'm on meth. And, um,

34:43

what? Yeah,

34:46

well, methatrixate. Do

34:49

you need an intervention? Anyone

34:51

on methatrixate? Yep, anyway, so methatrixate,

34:54

that's a drug they use in

34:56

chemotherapy but I'm just microdosing. But

35:00

it's, um, what? Yeah,

35:03

is that the same as meth? No,

35:08

that's meth-enthetimine but I'm

35:10

on methatrixate. Yeah,

35:13

it's just in tablet form for me, like the

35:15

other meth you might need a glass barbie

35:17

or something but I don't need that. Like

35:20

you're on methatrixate once

35:23

a week for you? Do

35:26

you have autoimmune disease? Rheumatoid

35:29

arthritis? Boom. Ra. Ra.

35:33

That's, but you make it sound fun. Ra.

35:37

But it's not fun is it? And if you're on that

35:39

you can't drink? Well you can,

35:41

but it's, yeah, you're allowed

35:43

to, I was told that you can

35:45

have two to three standard drinks a

35:47

week. That's recommended. I think I might

35:49

be on that and they didn't say

35:51

anything about drinking. It happens.

35:54

It happens. British doctors a paid lesson might not be

35:56

asked to say. It happens. door

36:00

getting a plane to Sydney or something. I mean

36:02

you can drink but it's just like it's because

36:05

it does to your liver what alcohol

36:07

does to your liver essentially so when

36:09

you drink what you normally drink it

36:11

kind of... I

36:13

think I should check up on that. I mean

36:16

you can't... I don't drink much anyway. Yeah so

36:18

you'll be fine like for me it was I

36:20

I've did two to three like at first I was

36:23

like oh yeah that's fine that's easy no problem that's

36:25

about what I have anyway and then it was like

36:27

the next day that I was like hang on a

36:29

second there's seven

36:31

days in a week two

36:34

to three standard what if I stuff up when I

36:36

have the two to three yeah what if I stuff

36:38

it up are you the same are you did they

36:40

tell you you couldn't drink you

36:44

were 16 so you weren't drinking anyway.

36:47

It's Adelaide though you sure you weren't drinking?

36:50

16 come on come on.

36:53

Alright so for me I went

36:56

no look because I

36:58

was so scared of you know getting mucking

37:01

up when I was having the two to three

37:03

yeah I went I'm gonna be sober no drinking

37:06

that's it I'm done I've finished it because

37:08

it's easy to have none than some not

37:11

like because I want to have

37:13

heaps I just want the

37:15

opportunity like because I love alcohol.

37:18

I didn't quit drinking because I had

37:20

a problem with it I was I

37:22

was really good at it. I appreciated

37:27

it. I love going to

37:29

a nice restaurant and having that first sip of

37:31

wine and going oh that's really good and then

37:33

looking up at the waiter that's recommended it and

37:35

then we just have this moment because we both

37:37

know what good wine tastes like. I

37:40

miss that. You're in the

37:42

right place this is this is I

37:44

know this is Adelaide. I know fully

37:46

known country here it's hard coming back

37:48

here to proper what like yeah anyway

37:50

right get let's get on with the

37:52

show. Are

37:55

you ready to hear some stand-up comedy? Then

37:58

please welcome to the mic! The

38:00

incredible Geraldine Hickey! CHEERING AND APPLAUSE Have

38:04

fun. OK. Sup,

38:08

fuckers. LAUGHTER

38:12

Just, let's talk about medical

38:14

things more. Has anyone heard

38:16

of Raynaud's? Yes,

38:19

a few people. Raynaud's disease phenomenon

38:21

syndrome. Raynaud's, Raynaud's.

38:24

Raynaud's, have you got no idea what

38:26

I'm talking about? CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

38:30

Relieved. That's because I

38:32

had no idea, right? And I

38:36

found out what it was when I got it, like about

38:38

a year ago. And so Raynaud's is

38:41

a condition where your blood vessels are constricted

38:43

in your extremities, usually your fingers and toes,

38:46

and it causes pain, tingling,

38:48

numbness and discolouration, brought

38:50

on by cold temperatures and sometimes stress. And

38:53

quite often, when it comes up in conversation,

38:55

I'll bring it up. LAUGHTER The

39:02

response I usually get is, oh,

39:04

yeah. And

39:06

I don't think, oh,

39:09

yeah, is appropriate.

39:12

I don't think it fits. I'll

39:14

set the scene of what happened the first day I ever

39:16

got it, the first time I ever got it, and then,

39:18

yeah, you tell me if, oh, yeah, works. All

39:22

right. So, picture it, beautiful day. Beautiful day. The

39:24

sun's been out. Not too hot, though. It's a

39:27

day like mid to low 20s. It's

39:29

a day where you go short sleeves

39:32

on the arms, long sleeves on the

39:34

legs. Not jeans,

39:36

though. Too hot for jeans, but up top.

39:39

I'm talking a shirt or

39:41

a blouse or

39:44

a T-shirt if you're non-binary. And then

39:47

down the bottom, like

39:49

trousers or slacks

39:52

or T-nose if you're

39:54

non-binary. And then, and you're

39:56

getting ready to go out.

40:00

home. The sun

40:02

starts to go down so it's a bit of

40:04

a drop in the temperature and you're like, oh

40:06

it's a bit fresh, oh it's

40:08

a bit of a chill in the air, should I

40:10

wear a jacket? Do you reckon I need a jacket?

40:12

Oh no, a jacket's too much, I don't need that,

40:14

oh that's silly. I'll go cardigan, yeah, could you say,

40:17

get that cardigan, oh no that's not with this, oh

40:19

I'll go, oh puffer

40:21

vest, puffer vest, they're back, yes,

40:23

yes I'll go a puffer vest, that'll be I

40:26

don't own one, I'll go, I'll

40:29

just go like hoodie sleeves up, yeah,

40:33

you're with me like that type of temperature, you

40:35

know what I mean? So

40:38

you've got hoodie sleeves up and so you're

40:40

walking out, like I don't know, you're

40:42

going out somewhere, I don't know where, right, but you're

40:44

walking and then as you're walking your hands feel like

40:47

a bit, they're cold

40:49

and but also tingly, right, and you

40:51

look down at your hands and they

40:53

now look like they belong to a

40:55

pasty white ghost and

40:58

that ghost is wearing red fingerless

41:01

gloves. Would

41:03

you look at that and

41:05

go, oh yeah, because

41:11

I didn't, yeah, I

41:13

looked at it and went, what the fuck is this? What

41:17

is this? But to be honest,

41:19

I went so quickly from like freaked out

41:21

to excited though, because

41:24

I remembered

41:26

I already had a doctor's appointment booked in,

41:30

yeah, and how often is it

41:32

that you get to go to the doctors and

41:35

present to them with physical evidence that

41:39

there's something not right going on inside, yeah?

41:41

Doctor can't just look at that and go,

41:43

oh it's probably just your period, just

41:47

yeah, or I'll just get you to jump on

41:49

the scales first, and you know, I imagine, I

41:51

was so excited because I imagine I was gonna

41:53

go there to a doctor because I, with my

41:55

find that took a photo of it right, and

41:57

then I was so excited because I thought to

42:00

the doctors and I imagine that I'd go in and go

42:02

have a look at this, have a look

42:04

at this, right, show them the photo and

42:06

then they'd look at it and be like

42:08

oh my goodness, do you know what,

42:10

I'm so glad you've come in today, yep, do you know what,

42:13

I've got a couple of ideas of

42:15

what this might be and I'm going to run

42:17

a couple of tests, make sure we're on the

42:19

right track and yeah, I want, will you set

42:21

on treatment, yep, I want you to book a

42:23

follow-up appointment because yeah, I want to make sure

42:25

that we're heading in the right track and don't

42:27

worry, we'll get to the bottom of this, right,

42:29

and the whole time that they would be talking

42:31

to me, they would be rubbing my back. That

42:40

didn't happen and to

42:42

be honest, I'm

42:44

still not over the

42:47

casual way in which I was

42:49

diagnosed, yeah, because I went to the

42:52

doctors and I went and had a look at this

42:54

and they just glanced at it, just one quick glance,

42:56

just went bang, like that, like that. I

43:01

didn't even take the phone out of my hand, like

43:03

just went oh yeah, that's

43:05

Raynodes, just get some

43:07

good gloves and some hand warmers. Sorry

43:11

what? Good

43:13

gloves and hand warmers, that's it, that's all

43:15

you've got, sorry, I

43:17

don't think you realise the magnitude of

43:19

this situation, yeah, good gloves and hand

43:21

warmers, so because when it gets cold

43:23

enough and it doesn't need to get

43:26

that cold, my fingertips, they go, they

43:28

go white and then they go numb

43:30

and then they're tingly and then they

43:32

go so numb that I can't feel

43:34

my fingers and if I can't feel

43:36

my fingers, I can't use my fingers,

43:38

I need my fingers,

43:40

yeah, I'm a lesbian, I'm

43:44

a married lesbian and

43:46

I'd like to stay that way, yeah,

43:49

but if I can't text my wife

43:51

from Bunnings to go what size nuts

43:54

do we need to get for those bolts

43:56

that we got earlier, then I'm sorry for

43:58

good gloves and hand warmers. doing shit for

44:00

the problems I'm going home to. So

44:08

I've got some gloves. And

44:11

now I've got to wear gloves when

44:13

it's not cold enough to wear gloves,

44:15

yeah? Sometimes I'm wearing

44:17

gloves inside and someone will come

44:19

in and they'll see me with the gloves. They'll see the

44:22

gloves. They'll

44:24

be like, why are you? You

44:28

know, they've got to say something. They're like, don't tease me about

44:30

my gloves. And

44:32

they'll go, oh, yeah, why are you wearing

44:34

gloves? And I'm like, I've got Raynoids. And

44:37

they're like, who's Raynoid and why do you have their

44:39

gloves? And I'm like, no. It's

44:43

a condition where your blood vessels are constricted

44:45

in your extremities and it causes pain tingling

44:47

and nubs and discolouration. It's brought on by

44:49

cold temperatures and sometimes stress. And

44:53

they'll go, oh, yeah. That's

44:57

it from me. Thanks very much. Geraldine

45:00

Hickey, everybody. Thank

45:03

you so much. There's

45:06

some more amazing, do you not agree? Are

45:09

you having a nice time so far? Are

45:12

you glad you came out? Has

45:17

anyone been in a youth orchestra, by the way? Yes,

45:21

you've been in a youth orchestra? Just cheer if you've been in a

45:23

youth orchestra. You

45:25

know what? So much

45:27

for feminism because all of these people, their

45:30

wellbeing was affected by the orchestra they were in.

45:32

Just give us a cheer if you're still in an orchestra. Just

45:36

one person. But

45:38

give us a cheer if it affected your overall

45:40

wellbeing and your ability to feel like you're a

45:42

good feminist. Oh,

45:45

disappointing. Okay, disappointing. I thought you were

45:48

all gonna go, yeah. If we

45:50

hadn't been in that youth orchestra, we wouldn't be here now. This

45:52

is discouraging for our doctorate

45:55

candidate. She's there

45:57

thinking, you know, what's the point? Don't

46:01

discourage her. Give us a cheer. Being in a youth

46:03

orchestra has affected you today and made you the person

46:05

you are today. Better,

46:07

that's better. What

46:10

do you, the one that's still in the orchestra? What do

46:12

you play? I play the flute. The

46:14

flute, me too, on the floor test. Oh

46:17

my God, we could do a duet later. And

46:19

then you could test our well-being before and after. We've

46:25

got an incredible guest for you now. She

46:28

is an emerging creative based

46:31

in Adelaide. Her writing compels audiences

46:33

to tune into stories, introducing

46:35

lifelong curiosity with the word and the

46:37

ways of it. Her

46:40

spoken word element involves theater characterized

46:42

by wordplay, repetition, and fragmentation as

46:44

they often carry themes of community

46:47

and identity. She has

46:49

appeared as part of the Mental Health

46:51

Coalition of South Australia's Poetry Prescribed Event

46:53

held as part of Mental Health Month

46:55

in 2021. Her

46:58

theater credits are many

47:00

and varied, including a development project

47:02

alongside the Adelaide Festival Center. Could

47:05

you put your hands together and make

47:07

incredible woohoo noises for the wonderful Vivana

47:10

Luzzacimana? ["Woo-hoo, Woo-hoo,

47:13

Woo-hoo"] ["Woo-hoo,

47:16

Woo-hoo"] Mine,

47:25

the color of tainted caramel,

47:27

there's the color of smooth

47:29

whipped cream. My

47:32

sister, darker than

47:34

chocolate, ought to lower our self-esteem.

47:39

Day in and day out, we were taught to play

47:41

that ruinous game. Compared

47:43

our colored arms, doped about

47:46

who was darker, who was

47:48

lighter, until one of us was

47:50

put to shame. As

47:52

if that would give us the gratification

47:54

we sought, as if we didn't

47:57

know any better but to chase that

47:59

dream. That dream,

48:01

the dream to be ourselves, no, we

48:03

wanted freedom to be like them. To

48:07

become like the other girls, the girls with

48:09

hair so silky, so peculiar to us. The

48:12

girls would see in the magazines and television

48:15

screams, we wanted to be free within our

48:17

own bodies, but we didn't know it then.

48:20

Would you understand this new hatred that was

48:23

forming around our skin? It stained

48:25

our souls and infested our very way

48:27

of thinking. Sinking

48:30

deep in a colorist pool, we no

48:32

longer saw each other as

48:36

beautiful. We

48:41

took turns wearing that mask. They

48:45

masked it with jokes about my

48:47

light-skinned privilege and I masked that

48:50

fear of the harsh sunlight

48:52

darkening my caramel with

48:55

a smile at their jokes. I

48:58

was 12 years old. I

49:00

didn't understand this new hatred that was

49:02

forming around my skin. I

49:04

too had been sold and so created a

49:06

new mold, an image of a stereotyped girl

49:09

who could flow into skin. I

49:13

too had been sold. Sinking

49:15

deep in a colorist pool, I no

49:18

longer find myself as beautiful, but please,

49:20

please listen you see the history of

49:22

my skin is too deep. My

49:25

heart is too big to let them

49:27

fall, to fall

49:30

into the trap they made for us. My

49:36

skin melanin richer than

49:39

gold. Let

49:41

us not forget the gifts were given

49:43

from birth, thick lips that shared with

49:45

our four mothers, textured bodies

49:47

that tell the untold story of a

49:50

colored family, of

49:53

stories of

49:55

melanin richer than gold. Thank

50:01

you. Thank

50:03

you so much. My

50:14

name is Vivana Loz I'm

50:28

so honored and blessed to be

50:31

here today with the amazing team.

50:34

Thank you so much. I

50:36

will be sharing two poems. The

50:41

first one is about my mother. I don't really write

50:43

about my parents very much but for some reason I

50:45

was thinking about what's her out for the show when

50:47

they came up. And

50:49

the next one is about my dad. I

50:53

hope you enjoy them. Thank you. Some

51:04

days I open my mouth and my mother

51:06

slips out. Each

51:10

word as chaotic as the next to the

51:12

ease of it shocks me. The

51:15

world begins burning and we're all waiting for

51:18

her to put out the flame. She's

51:21

always looking out for other

51:23

people never her own own

51:25

self neglected and selflessness confused

51:27

with people pleasing. Some

51:30

days I am awakened by the

51:32

sunrise with hurried legs I find

51:34

find myself in the kitchen. I'm

51:39

more like her than I let down the

51:43

virtue of being a mother. I

51:46

have inherited the rage that comes from

51:48

visitors who leave without cleaning up their

51:51

mess. Inherited

51:53

the gift of giving through her

51:55

whose tears are used to wash

51:58

away everyone else's pain. but

52:00

her own. I

52:03

have inherited the generational anger from

52:05

bloodlines of mothers yet to speak

52:07

up. My

52:10

mother, she pulls knives from her

52:13

back, blood rinsed with water to show me

52:15

how cruel the world could be. A

52:18

forgiving nature I can only wish

52:20

to attain. My mother, she creates

52:22

handcrafted knits, skirts, dressed with smiles

52:24

to show me how little is

52:26

more and how beautiful the world

52:28

can be. A

52:31

creativeness that did not pass me by, gee,

52:33

I'm grateful. Some

52:37

days I open my mouth and

52:40

my mother slips out. Thank

52:45

you. Thank you. Thank

52:48

you so much.

52:56

The next one is about my dad.

52:58

I was scrolling through TikTok once, and

53:00

I came across this question, and it asked me,

53:04

what if I met my father when he was

53:06

a child? And I thought, gee, I don't know how

53:08

that would go, if

53:11

it would go any different. So I pointed about it for a

53:13

little while and came up with

53:16

some words. What

53:21

if I met my father when he was a child? When he

53:23

was a child. We

53:29

would play soccer in the yard where green

53:31

grass is kissed by the sun and the

53:33

days along. He would tell

53:35

me stories about how he isn't allowed to cry,

53:39

to fall, to break. I

53:42

tell him, it's OK. You

53:45

can fall. You

53:47

can break. He

53:50

would tell me about how he has never learned

53:52

how to love himself, how

53:54

his parents did only what they could. They're

53:56

like me, feel a longing that he had

53:59

no words for. or unable to put

54:01

himself into words, into actions, I'll

54:04

tell him, to

54:07

be vulnerable is the greatest gift you can give.

54:11

Because your parents did only what they could.

54:14

And as we pass the ball to one

54:17

another, running, prancing as kids do, he tells

54:19

me that he's sorry. That

54:22

the ball kept moving and he couldn't stop it,

54:24

he couldn't control it. That

54:26

sometimes the world hurts him, the pain he

54:28

felt, he couldn't feel it, so he

54:30

kept playing. Not

54:32

noticing that life was passing him by and

54:35

we were growing. We

54:38

were leaving. We

54:41

would sing along to our favorite songs and

54:43

knowing what words would come next, only the

54:45

rhythm. We would dance in the way

54:48

our bodies tell us to, look up to the sky

54:50

and realize that God has given us everything

54:52

we could ever want, blessed us with

54:54

connection. That

54:57

love has always been here, will always

54:59

be here if only he could see,

55:01

if only he paused for a moment,

55:03

let the ball go, let his pride

55:05

down. And

55:09

we would talk. And

55:12

not just talk about his world growing up, but mine

55:14

as well. That he

55:17

did only what he knew. But

55:20

it's okay. Now

55:22

I forgive you. It

55:25

would let our heart sing in the silence of our

55:27

presence, he would lay his head to rest

55:29

and he would cry and cry

55:31

and cry until he couldn't feel

55:33

the ache in his chest. Because

55:36

now we both knew what it is we really

55:38

wanted. Thank

55:44

you. Thank you. Vivana

55:49

Luzolchimana. Give

55:52

it up. Thank

55:56

you so much. I'm

56:00

going to ask, where can people in

56:02

Adelaide see you perform other times? I

56:05

perform monthly, sometimes bimonthly at

56:07

a place called Soul Island

56:09

Adelaide. That's their Instagram

56:11

handle, but we're at various locations throughout

56:13

the city. So if you want

56:16

to see me perform or any other talented people, that's

56:18

where you can find me. And

56:20

we've got global listeners, where can they

56:22

find you online? On Instagram.

56:26

My personal Instagram, my full name,

56:28

Vivana Lozocimana. I post a

56:30

lot of my work on there and a lot of shows that

56:32

I tend to do. And that's

56:34

the easiest and quickest way to keep up with me

56:36

as well. Great. And how can we

56:38

support you financially? Do

56:41

you have like a Ko-fi account or

56:44

a Patreon or anything like that? I do not know what

56:46

that is. Okay, because someone needs to set one up for

56:49

Vivana, because Vivana needs your money. I don't

56:51

want to assume, but I've heard that poets

56:54

need money. Yeah. Yeah.

56:56

I can go out on a limb and say, you know,

56:58

but it's just, it's one of those jobs where you could always

57:01

need money. You should set up some kind of Patreon or

57:03

something. In the meantime,

57:05

we'll just send you stuff on PayPal. Sounds good.

57:08

That's fine too. Have you got any books coming out that we can buy?

57:11

In end of the year, I'm really seeing a

57:13

book and I'm also really seeing a

57:16

kind of animation of the poem that I wrote about my

57:18

dad. So yeah, keep

57:20

an eye out for that through my Instagram if you

57:22

happen to follow it as well. Great.

57:25

So give Vivana a follow and then

57:27

you can trace what she's doing because

57:31

it's so important to support artists

57:33

who are still in rooms, you

57:35

know, and creating really real work that

57:37

isn't overly sponsored. I don't want to

57:40

make assumptions. Maybe you're sponsored by Pepsi. I

57:42

don't want to make assumptions,

57:45

but I'm guessing you're free. Not sponsored

57:47

by Pepsi. I mean, are you open

57:49

to sponsorships? I am definitely open to

57:51

sponsorships. Okay. If you've got

57:53

a business, she'll write you a poem once a

57:55

year. If you

57:57

pay her 15 grand a year. Thank

58:00

you so much. She'll write a poem about your shoe shop

58:02

or whatever. That wholesale

58:04

sustainable fashion thing you've got going

58:06

on. Could

58:09

you do a poem called Sustainable-ish? Of course. Sustainable-ish.

58:13

Excellent. What rhymes with sustainable-ish? You'll be working

58:15

on that. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, you'll be

58:17

working on that. You could write a poem

58:19

about midwives. I can't. Oh,

58:21

five babies a week. That's impressive. Five babies

58:23

a week, yeah. What's the one thing

58:26

people don't know about giving birth? What's the

58:28

one piece of advice if someone's about to give birth? Because

58:30

loads of people listening to this will be about to give birth and I

58:32

realised I didn't ask you that because I'm not going to. So

58:35

I was just like, that's really selfish of me. Any

58:37

advice for people who are giving birth? Stay

58:41

home. Stay home. Stay home, birth.

58:43

Are they all right? Amazing. Yeah.

58:46

Okay, I think I might consider that. Yeah, I'm not going to do

58:48

that. Give

58:51

me the drugs. I'm

58:54

sure that's... Do what she said but

58:56

also give me the drugs. Okay. Vivana,

58:59

I absolutely loved that. Will you come and join us

59:01

again on the Guilty Feminist another time? Of course. Thank

59:04

you so much for having me. Big round of applause

59:06

for Vivana, everybody! Thank you so much. All right. Soon

59:11

we're

59:15

going to have an interval but this

59:17

first half is not over yet because

59:20

I have brought an artist all the way

59:22

from the United Kingdom. I dare not travel

59:24

without her now because people

59:26

will complain and throw things if I

59:28

try and do the Guilty Feminist with

59:30

one of the remaining last good things

59:33

to come out of the United Kingdom,

59:35

the incredible Grace Petrie! Hello.

59:38

So yeah, gosh,

59:41

one of the last

59:43

remaining good

59:47

things out of the

59:49

United Kingdom is that it's

59:53

a lot of pressure

59:56

but it is all pretty fucking shit

59:58

over there, to be honest. I

1:00:03

had a record out this

1:00:05

year and the first single from

1:00:07

it in the first week

1:00:10

that it was on

1:00:13

top of it got 10,000 streams in seven days. Thank

1:00:17

you, yeah. That's how I felt

1:00:19

until I did the maths. I

1:00:22

worked out that I get about 33 pounds for that. About

1:00:27

60 bucks, right? And

1:00:30

now, interestingly, Spotify, who have

1:00:33

totally killed the music industry, killed

1:00:35

it dead. They've

1:00:37

now introduced new rules, I don't know if you've heard

1:00:39

about this, where songs that have under

1:00:42

1,000 streams, they're not going to pay artists

1:00:44

for at all. So

1:00:48

that obviously impacts the

1:00:51

newest artists, emerging artists, people who are only

1:00:53

just starting out. And how on earth

1:00:56

are you supposed to get fans, right? If

1:00:58

you can't make money from your songs when you're first

1:01:00

starting out. So I think that

1:01:02

that's all pretty appalling. And I wrote a song

1:01:04

a while ago, this is from an old

1:01:07

record, about Spotify. And

1:01:10

basically I did a tour with a

1:01:14

big star called

1:01:17

Frank Turner and had a

1:01:19

great time on tour with him. And I've always

1:01:21

been independent. And there was about five

1:01:23

minutes after I did a tour with him, it was

1:01:26

about five minutes when the music industry was interested in

1:01:28

me. And I had

1:01:30

one meeting with them. And

1:01:32

that was enough. For them and

1:01:35

me. And

1:01:39

I wrote this song from

1:01:41

verbatim quotes of the things that

1:01:43

the man in that meeting said to me. And

1:01:46

it's called, we've got an office

1:01:48

in Hackney. Because

1:01:51

they always fucking do.

1:01:54

And I'm going to take

1:01:56

one now. And yeah, if

1:01:58

you would consider it. you are a Spotify

1:02:00

user, I would really encourage you to rethink that.

1:02:02

If you want to use other streaming platforms, Tidal,

1:02:05

Apple, Music are actually much fairer

1:02:07

in their inauguration for artists. And,

1:02:09

you know, as our esteemed

1:02:12

PhD can testify,

1:02:14

music is the future, isn't

1:02:16

it? You know. Is that... Did

1:02:18

I hear that right? Is that the... The... Oh.

1:02:22

The music... The orchestra PhD, is that right? Yeah?

1:02:24

Yeah? Oh, it's just not funny.

1:02:26

Okay. Can I handle

1:02:29

it? You

1:02:34

got your first real sick strip, got

1:02:37

your heart full of pain, you

1:02:39

got the makings there, kid, all

1:02:42

the lucrative campaign, you

1:02:44

got your story and your spirit, you

1:02:47

got a rock and roll dream, we've

1:02:49

got an office in acne, we've

1:02:52

got a really cool team, because

1:02:54

we love your authentic, lonely

1:02:57

outsider type, big

1:03:00

up that snake, on

1:03:02

your socials for the hype, whoever

1:03:04

said the revolution wouldn't

1:03:07

be televised, they didn't

1:03:09

have our contacts yet,

1:03:11

they didn't have our

1:03:13

PR guys, but I

1:03:15

was reaching out for

1:03:17

a land fine, facing

1:03:19

the tide, I was

1:03:21

trying to work out

1:03:23

why, if my name is

1:03:25

up in lights, and it's

1:03:28

all going right, I've never

1:03:30

been as lonely as tonight,

1:03:34

I've never been as lonely as

1:03:37

tonight. Well,

1:03:46

every night I get this spotlight,

1:03:48

and I get out this guitar,

1:03:51

like so many folk before me, easy

1:03:53

to open up my scars, and

1:03:55

I don't know if it's helping, or

1:03:58

if it's driving me insane. I'm

1:04:00

just looking for connection,

1:04:03

yeah, to know somebody

1:04:05

feels the same Yeah,

1:04:07

I'm reaching out for

1:04:10

a lifetime, fighting tight,

1:04:12

yeah, trying to work

1:04:15

out why And my

1:04:17

name's up in lights, and

1:04:20

it's all going right I've

1:04:22

never been as lonely as

1:04:24

tonight I've

1:04:27

never been as lonely as

1:04:29

tonight And

1:04:39

come rain or wreck or ruin, I'll

1:04:42

be following these dreams The

1:04:45

same way I've been doing since

1:04:47

the middle of my teens If

1:04:50

there's a single person out there

1:04:52

singing this song, something means I'll

1:04:55

take one lonely broken heart over 100,000

1:04:57

streets And

1:05:01

I've still

1:05:04

got this sick

1:05:07

stream, still got

1:05:10

my heart

1:05:12

full of pain And

1:05:25

I don't know how to fix things, but

1:05:27

I'm still in the game Maybe

1:05:29

I don't know what the point is, maybe

1:05:32

I'm never gonna see But

1:05:35

long as anybody's listening,

1:05:37

this is where you'll

1:05:39

find me I'm gonna

1:05:41

be reaching out for

1:05:43

a life vest, fighting

1:05:46

tight, yeah, getting you

1:05:48

my best To

1:05:50

turn down all the lights, stay with

1:05:53

me in this fight Between

1:05:55

me and my loneliness

1:05:57

tonight Yes,

1:06:00

I let me see your hands

1:06:02

I need someone that understands When

1:06:05

I'm out here all alone This

1:06:08

right here is home So

1:06:10

let me sing The

1:06:12

thing that you're the only

1:06:15

thing Between me and my

1:06:17

loneliness Tonight What

1:06:22

a love You

1:06:26

saved me from

1:06:28

my loneliness tonight

1:06:32

Thank you very much We'll

1:06:35

see you after the break, get a ring So

1:06:50

that was the first half Join us for

1:06:52

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Content. That's an option. Otherwise,

1:09:02

you won't see almost anything

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we post, because we are

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deemed political. Please

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do that now, or you won't even see

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the posts about our shows, our fun things.

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So if you want to see guilty feminist content and know

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when we're coming to a place near you or

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releasing a new podcast, do it now.