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3:42

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version of First Place and ask a

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welcome to the Guilty. feminist. Hi,

4:00

thanks for having me. Oh

4:03

it's a delight. I'm fucking amazing. It's a

4:05

very, well it says

4:08

on the front of the book it's vulnerable, raw and relatable and

4:10

that's a quote from me and I'm never

4:12

wrong. So I feel like that's

4:15

definitely true. Lisa Hall also

4:17

says laugh out loud funny and brutally honest.

4:19

It is the most honest,

4:22

it takes a layer of skin off and

4:24

it's just really what somebody's thinking. It's all

4:26

in there whether it be lack of sexual

4:29

desire in a long term relationship, masturbation,

4:32

abortion. There are just so many

4:34

and the surprising emotions that

4:36

go with those things and it's

4:39

extremely vulnerable and raw but it's

4:41

not presented as vulnerable, it's presented

4:43

as just this interior life that

4:45

sometimes we're not falling apart. We're just

4:48

commenting on the

4:51

surprises of what we're feeling.

4:53

Would you like to read a bit of your book for

4:55

us so that the listeners can get a sense of what

4:57

it's like? Yes, would love to. This

5:00

extract that I'm reading is from

5:03

around the middle of the book where the

5:05

character has just had

5:08

an abortion. After about

5:10

10 minutes of puking the six seemed to

5:12

stop. I checked my fanny and there

5:14

was no blood and I felt no pain and

5:16

my belly felt much better. I put

5:19

my knickers back on and lined them with one

5:21

of the giant pads the clinic had given me

5:23

which was like three times the size of a

5:25

normal sanitary pill. I was to

5:28

monitor the blood amount and if I was poking

5:30

through more than two pads an hour I was

5:32

supposed to ring and let them know as this

5:34

was obviously bad. When I

5:36

got through to someone on the helpline she asked

5:38

how long after taking the pills I was sick

5:40

and when I said 28 minutes and seven seconds

5:42

she said not to worry that it would all

5:45

be fine. I asked her if

5:47

she was sure as the leaflets had made it

5:49

seem otherwise. She said that the pills

5:51

would have been in my bloodstream after about 15

5:53

minutes and they put 30 to be extra cautious

5:56

and that being sick was quite common and

5:58

okay. Thank the fuck. I

6:00

stopped worrying and put on the first episode of Mad

6:03

Men on my iPad. I intended to

6:05

watch the first series, as I had never seen

6:07

it and there were seven of them to get

6:09

through, and my favourite podcast constantly referenced it, and

6:11

it was annoying me that I couldn't share in

6:13

their jokes. By the end of

6:15

the first episode, nothing had happened to my body. I

6:18

continued watching. I ordered room service,

6:20

a burger and chips and a

6:22

Fanta orange, which felt like a nice treat. And

6:24

then I carried on watching. I was

6:26

enjoying Mad Men very much. The main

6:28

guy, Don Draper, was extremely hot and after

6:30

episode five, feeling a bit sleepy, I had

6:32

a wank over him, which surprised

6:35

me. As A, I hadn't

6:37

been feeling things with Sami lately, B, I don't

6:40

usually fancy people I've not met in person,

6:42

and C, I never imagined I'd be up

6:44

for doing that kind of thing after an

6:46

abortion. I would have assumed you'd not want

6:48

to look or touch or think about that

6:50

area for a good while. But it

6:52

actually felt extra exciting and a bit different, because

6:54

I didn't want my fingers to

6:56

go anywhere near my hole for fear of what might come

6:58

out. So it was a unique style of

7:01

delicate fingering. Wow.

7:04

Well, that's from the early days of the

7:06

Guilty Feminist, where I'd always do I'm a

7:09

feminist farts about Don Draper, and how

7:13

much I fancied Don Draper and how much I fancied Jon Hamm.

7:16

So I am flattered to be for this

7:18

homage in the book, but

7:21

it's a very surprising left

7:23

field edgy, you know,

7:25

like it's just like, wow, those are

7:27

some thoughts and feelings, and it

7:30

shouldn't really be edgy in a way, it's

7:32

just an experience that someone

7:34

might have. But I think you're very

7:36

good at sort of letting the character admit

7:38

to feelings and things that

7:41

might seem like taboos. So

7:44

I don't know why it's edgy,

7:46

because you never hear that. You would never hear

7:48

it. It reminds me of Fleabag when she says,

7:51

get your hands off my miscarriage. It's

7:53

just, oh my god,

7:55

you just go, you've never heard that

7:58

before. something

8:01

about the writing that's kind of brutally

8:04

honest and like those feelings that we

8:06

all have, those thoughts that we

8:08

all have that we think well I just wouldn't admit that

8:10

to anybody or I'd never say that to

8:12

anybody but you are saying it. Yeah.

8:16

What made you write like that? A

8:19

link with all my writing is I

8:22

just am excited around creating

8:26

women who I was classed as badass badass

8:29

women who don't

8:31

necessarily have everything sorted but not because

8:33

they're a hot mess, they're not, they're

8:35

just sort of normal but in that

8:38

I like being able to tackle

8:40

when tricky things happen and for

8:43

it not always to be the

8:45

normal response. Now I'm sure many

8:47

people have had abortions that have

8:49

been particularly physically or psychologically hard

8:51

for them. I wanted

8:54

to present a version that was different

8:56

to that because I've

8:58

heard a couple of my friends you

9:00

know talking about them quite joyfully

9:02

as in how lucky I had

9:05

this thing happen that I wasn't planning and then I

9:07

live in a country where I could get it sorted

9:09

and I just feel joy and release and happiness and

9:12

yeah very aware that not everybody's experienced

9:15

but definitely don't feel we have access

9:17

to that those versions of stories. Yes

9:22

there tends to be one narrative which is

9:24

it's always traumatic, it's always difficult, it's always

9:26

emotional and it's true that I've

9:28

had friends who've found it those

9:30

things and I've had other friends who've

9:33

found it the opposite of that who've sort

9:36

of gone it was really a

9:38

relief to as you say have

9:40

access to healthcare and feel

9:43

like I'm okay and

9:46

did not go through those

9:48

emotions that we're told pretty much everyone will

9:50

go through. So it was really

9:52

interesting it was also really interesting that

9:55

you talked so freely about your

9:58

main character's desire in Long And

10:01

long term relationship have

10:03

any talk about the

10:05

precious women face in

10:07

traditional experiences. And why you

10:09

wanted to write about this in a different way?

10:11

What angle you to them this? Yeah, I

10:14

mean, I'm delighted. That was

10:16

all. Female.

10:19

Sexual desire in a

10:22

long time heterosexual relationship?

10:24

So thinking. You

10:27

very much and thinking around

10:29

snitches, sex and shout so

10:31

important that is supposed to

10:33

be and if your in

10:36

that kind of relationship just

10:38

growing up being sources told

10:40

from everything culture to tend

10:42

to sickening snacks. Been in.

10:45

Enjoy! Having a

10:47

penis in that the China

10:49

I'm and. As. I got

10:51

older. Me and my friends

10:54

were very open about our conversations

10:56

ram sex and it's out quite

10:58

clear that we we get and

11:00

it's really And we certainly didn't

11:02

orgasm from that kind of sex

11:04

and death for like. What's

11:06

wrong with us? And I suppose that

11:08

question maybe isn't an old question because

11:10

we would now in. In

11:13

a period where women were able to

11:15

expect more fun stuff but my question

11:17

to be assed, it didn't really feel

11:20

like never any answers to it. In

11:22

I saw footing on twenty odd years,

11:24

I still don't know if there are

11:26

any answers to it. It doesn't take

11:29

female sexual desire doesn't seem to be

11:31

a thing culture or in our healthcare

11:33

services. He know he he's two months

11:35

of focus on. take seriously. Yes,

11:39

it's interesting. That is an app

11:41

that you don't film and television.

11:44

You also see women or gossiping

11:46

really quickly from penetrative sex and

11:48

yet. Lots of women to say.

11:51

Well, that just doesn't do it for

11:53

me. That's just not yeah, I'm and

11:55

it's fine to see. For

11:57

some women that will do it and. Find

12:00

me that represent the nothing else. Represents

12:02

is. Is. A little

12:05

bit of a strange thing

12:07

because it feels like it's

12:09

really feeding one narrative and

12:11

it's not necessarily else such

12:13

us. Yeah, and it's irresponsible

12:15

and some fans pressured. And

12:18

there's a stat that I'm sure as

12:20

rumble or who knows that shown that

12:22

says you know on the stage cent

12:24

of women don't you know orgasm from

12:26

those methods. And.

12:29

Then when you see tv and film

12:31

shows where they are trying to be

12:34

sort of mindful of that hit oath

12:36

it just comes out. See nobody wants

12:38

a fifteen minute seen of licks and

12:40

waiting for the what we're finishing a

12:43

woman to retire they that's a different

12:45

kind of an issue with sort of

12:47

showing that kind of seen. Yes,

12:50

Yes but then you know some

12:53

shows and and films and books

12:55

reference. The. Time it might

12:57

take although different ways or. Either the

12:59

effort ways of betraying and seven yeah, I mean don't

13:01

show everything in real time. In

13:03

order to show you know. Cut.

13:06

Foods in time more different. Yeah,

13:08

no different ways of women to for expressing. Difference:

13:10

Different desires. How did you

13:12

deal with sued in this

13:15

book? That's another area where

13:17

that's often something that. We've

13:20

finds. A Resting

13:22

in Literature. Where. we go to this

13:24

is something being project so me or

13:26

posed on me or. Does.

13:28

Not reflect my experience in a society

13:31

that's. Projects all sorts

13:33

of different things on to women were it comes

13:35

to food and body image. Yeah,

13:37

I wanted to create a character

13:39

He wasn't a just sexy consistent

13:42

that they have. To teach the

13:44

kid. He did. He paid,

13:46

The and the design made a choice. I didn't

13:49

want that to be part of the main. You

13:51

know that was just at the given

13:53

circumstances issue and happens not be embarrassed

13:56

about was funny felt like and she

13:58

eats what she likes. That.

14:00

Is if I mean it just felt

14:03

that quite. Like a

14:05

thing to do just because kneeling. Including

14:08

myself and as you know, women and.

14:10

The. A reception Grown up with be

14:12

have all had some version of an

14:15

issue with food. Whether that because we

14:17

feed it inside of the perfect society

14:19

has kind of ah give enough that

14:21

so I just wanted to see just

14:23

the thing that said not really delved

14:25

into and I think jim one draft

14:27

the publishers will at all could be

14:29

bringing out more than I am but

14:32

none just that hang of it. Just

14:34

the thing. Is not those

14:36

companies? Yeah, it's not. These are

14:38

these. It's not. It's as he

14:40

says, the given circumstances it's known

14:42

issue she's enjoying eating. Stuff and

14:45

you let us in. So what she's

14:47

eating and feel that's delicious with her.

14:49

but you don't ever have any feelings

14:51

of guilt, only feelings of rejection around

14:53

food. or yeah, fullness, rent food. It

14:56

just is. And I think a lot

14:58

of us have slightly got to that

15:00

place with. Yeah. Can I eat

15:02

a nice thing? Last year when nourished my

15:04

body and I want my body to have nutritious

15:06

food and I want to move my. Body

15:08

but it's not or not says to the

15:11

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15:13

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15:15

my whole life. Obsessing about food and.

15:17

You know, in one way or another. And

15:19

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15:22

wasn't a Bridget Jones in Asia and she

15:24

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15:26

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15:28

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I ask why you called I'm fucking amazing cause I

19:24

think a lot of people wondering now. Yes

19:26

and now like trends that slut

19:28

a new but is maybe like

19:30

a bad mocked female sex as

19:32

people down outset when it came

19:35

from. Was. Like I had

19:37

it is a kind of crazy thing

19:39

of my soft play with called my

19:41

Mom's it's Flat. And

19:43

that was. Pretty

19:46

much was five classical story and

19:48

of my mom. Join

19:50

a cult when I was young and

19:53

moving away their young When we did

19:55

sat through the rehearsals of that, I

19:57

started to feel quite wound up. The.

20:00

if there is this mum that's done that, maybe

20:03

there's a dad before that's done something

20:05

that's like made them, so as then,

20:07

like almost my feminist response during the

20:09

rehearsal process was I wanted to write

20:12

a play following that, that was called My Dad for

20:14

Kent, and for me, Kent is

20:16

worse than Trent, so I wanted that. Like

20:18

if this woman's done this thing, which actually

20:20

men do all the time, left a child,

20:22

I wanted to then write a story writing

20:25

a poem, and that was My

20:27

Dad for Kent, and then in

20:30

my sort of like, it used to make me laugh,

20:32

I'm like, I've got no room for Trent in

20:34

the day of the camp, I'm just key raisin, and

20:36

then none of the three stories are linked, and

20:39

the second play was fiction and

20:41

the book is fiction, but it

20:43

was just something vaguely linked in

20:45

my head, and maybe there's three

20:47

fair stories I wanted to make

20:49

whole. Oh, some of our listeners

20:51

might say, hold on, why is your dad not a prick?

20:54

Why is it to, why

20:56

is the swear word to vaginas and

20:58

no penises? Damn it, that's

21:01

why I'm a bad feminist! That's

21:03

a good question! It's an I'm a

21:05

feminist but, have you got an I'm a feminist but for us?

21:07

I do, and it wasn't going to be that one, it was

21:09

going to be something else, but

21:11

maybe I'm a feminist,

21:14

but when I'm angry I call people cunts,

21:16

maybe that's the true one.

21:18

No, I think you can, some people don't

21:20

like it, some people don't like it at

21:22

all, but I think you can, I'm just

21:25

querying, there's no pricks, there's no

21:27

dicks, I'm just

21:29

asking the question because I feel like

21:31

some of the listeners will. My dad

21:33

is a dad, that's

21:36

like his dad's now become a swear word. It

21:39

depends what your dad's like, what's

21:41

your Amazon business part? This

21:45

one would be in

21:47

relation to the book, I'm a feminist

21:49

but I still have to regularly google

21:52

diagrams of female genitalia in order to

21:54

remember what all our bits are called.

21:57

Oh me too, me too, me too! I

22:00

don't know, should we just know? I

22:02

feel like I should really

22:04

know what the cervix is by now and really

22:06

understand it in all its glory. You might not

22:08

like this because it's on the spot but I

22:11

have four questions from

22:13

my made up, an external

22:15

female genitalia quiz. Oh

22:17

shit. Go on, do you want to have a go?

22:19

Yeah go on. Be quick, okay. What

22:22

is... I'm cutting this out if I fail. Happy

22:24

to. This is like, I've just been helping someone

22:26

with the British citizenship test. Oh this is harder.

22:31

And so I'm all quizzed at because apparently, it's

22:33

not like this in every country, but if you want

22:35

to be British you have to do a pub quiz. Because

22:37

that is our national pastime. That's

22:39

what the British citizenship test is

22:41

called Life in the K, it's

22:43

basically a pub quiz. So

22:46

yeah, so I've been helping a chosen

22:49

family member with that and I have to

22:51

say I am right up on these but

22:53

I'm really nervous because I have not researched. There

22:56

were no questions about the cervix, the ovaries

22:58

or the vagina or the citrus. Okay,

23:00

quick final question then. What is the

23:02

correct name for the area

23:05

where pubes grow? Oh,

23:09

is it the pudenda? Sounds

23:11

good. It's called the mong's

23:14

pubis. Okay. Question

23:16

two. What is the six

23:18

folds of skin often referred to as ferny

23:20

flesh? Maybe

23:23

a majora. Oh my God, she's good. Yes,

23:26

that is correct. Okay, what's

23:28

the next load of flaps closer

23:31

in called? Labia menorah.

23:34

Oh my God, you're such a boss. Okay,

23:36

and then last question. What

23:41

is the beanie bit at the top called? The

23:43

clitchers. Well done, Deborah. You

23:45

passed the sit-in severe feet,

23:47

have a female vaginologist. I

23:50

am now a citizen of vagimists. Love that.

23:52

Sort of like Elizabeth Regina, but it's Elizabeth

23:55

vagina. Love it. Yeah,

23:57

I have a

23:59

question. I'm very delighted

24:01

that I only got one wrong, but I knew it was

24:03

pube something that I couldn't remember. I knew,

24:06

I thought at the time I thought... If it had

24:08

been multiple choice, I feel like you would have got

24:10

it, like on that one. I

24:12

think I would have and the British citizenship

24:15

test is multiple choice. I

24:17

might do it for fun. If I did it and

24:20

then failed it, maybe that will start a policy where

24:22

they'll throw people out. If

24:24

you did it with a nerve, the external

24:26

genital organs of a woman, especially the genital

24:28

genitalia of a woman, vulva usually used

24:30

in plural. So it's a sort of

24:32

a blanket term. So I thought

24:34

it's got something to do with pubis or something

24:37

and I just took a punt. But

24:40

I'm delighted that I got the

24:42

labia minora majora. There's

24:45

a lot in your book about communicating

24:48

with the self, I think, and being honest with

24:50

the self. But there's also a theme of communicating

24:52

within relationships. Yeah. And

24:55

what is your thesis on communication and relationships?

24:58

My thesis as someone who

25:01

is now 40 and has

25:03

had a number of serious

25:06

and special romantic relationships is

25:09

the only answer to successful relationship

25:11

is communication. And

25:14

I didn't learn that until my mid-30s.

25:17

And maybe it's just I was unlucky. Maybe everybody

25:19

knows that. But I really

25:21

didn't realize how important that was. And

25:24

so the character in the book, the

25:26

book very much is across two

25:28

of her important adult relationships.

25:32

But really, like you said, the underlying

25:34

thing is the relationship with the self.

25:36

Because if we can't be honest and

25:38

know how to vocalize the things that

25:40

we're feeling, there's literally no hope for

25:42

anyone. Absolutely.

25:45

I was talking today about this, an amazing

25:47

Brene Brown special on Netflix. It's like

25:49

a basic, like a long TED Talk. And

25:52

she, it's called Daring

25:54

Greatly. And she says that

25:56

she and her husband have a routine Where

25:59

they... If they want to complain to the other

26:01

one. The. Way they communicate

26:03

is to say. When you text

26:05

at the dinner table. I

26:08

tell myself the story. That.

26:10

The chemistry and sex appeal. And.

26:12

Connections gone out of our relationship. And

26:15

the not post can either go. Oh

26:18

that's series. Complete your had.

26:20

I'm not feeling those things at all. I

26:22

just had of work emergency and it absolutely

26:24

he doesn't respect that but I'm going to

26:26

my phone down now all they can say.

26:29

I think I've told myself that story lately too

26:31

and maybe that is a sad story and maybe

26:33

we need to. Spend. Some time reconnecting and

26:36

play the chemistry back in our relationship in

26:38

the communication. Back in all they can go.

26:40

You know, honestly it's just this week. I've

26:42

got so much on and I have got

26:45

to be doing it all we can. It's

26:47

nothing to do with you without that the

26:49

whole project. yeah, defense and so but next

26:51

week an absolute fines of rocks. But whatever

26:53

it is that you come to they that

26:55

have to say you know. When. You

26:57

constantly going to me about either you text

26:59

me five times a day. That meant you

27:01

don't say anything nice. You any say you

27:03

didn't do this and he complained about that.

27:05

I tell myself the story that you don't

27:07

appreciate the things I do do and so

27:09

he as she said sometimes were really angry.

27:12

But. Every site for. Angrily But we forces

27:15

of said she the most to say

27:17

that you and sincerely that sort see.

27:19

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27:21

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heroes and local leaders. This

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right. The story you've told yourself that they're late

29:17

and therefore they're out with someone else and they

29:19

don't care about you. They don't love you. They

29:22

don't appreciate you, whatever it is that you're telling

29:24

yourself. Yeah. It could be correct, but it probably

29:26

isn't. It's probably a story you've told yourself based on

29:28

some events that have happened. And I

29:30

think that really, really helps. And I think I

29:32

had all sorts of

29:34

thoughts like this when I was reading your book because it's a

29:36

novel, but it is something that

29:38

feels quite close to the flesh

29:42

when you're reading it. It feels like all this

29:44

interior life of yourself that you start to question.

29:47

It's a great book and I really hope everyone reads

29:49

it. It's called I'm Fucking Amazing. And who doesn't walk

29:51

and run, go on public transport with your book I'm

29:53

Fucking Amazing. People will be like, yeah, you

29:55

are. And the logline

29:58

is, what becomes of Happily Ever After? she

30:00

can't stand sex with the best man ever.

30:02

And some of it is just about the

30:04

desire going out of a relationship, even with

30:07

someone you massively fancy, because sameness

30:09

is not as exciting as newness. And what do

30:11

you do about that? And how

30:13

do you deal with that? And you know, it's

30:15

something that's so relatable. You might love someone desperately,

30:17

but not have the same, you know,

30:20

flashes of excitement and butterflies in

30:22

the stomach anymore. And what do you do about that?

30:24

And I think it's so relatable and something that's not

30:26

often written about. So I really

30:28

hope it's you have every success with the book. Nish,

30:30

is there anything you came to say that you didn't

30:32

get to say today? She do buy

30:35

the book. Turns out hardly

30:37

anyone buys books. I didn't know that

30:39

coming from theatre. And

30:41

that Esther Smith has done a

30:43

wonderful audio version of it. She's

30:46

just brilliant and badass, so it's

30:48

a fun listen too. Great.

30:51

Well I thought, I thought, yeah,

30:53

there's some great quotes at the back. As shockingly

30:55

funny as it is, tender and revealing about love,

30:58

relationship, sex and womanhood. That's

31:00

from Aretha Akbar from The

31:03

Guardian. From the independent, really radical,

31:05

often very funny, sometimes paid for, highly unique. Her

31:07

writing about sex is some of the most daring

31:09

I've read. I think this is really

31:11

true. And I would say, I think

31:14

people do buy books. I think the publishing

31:16

industry is one of the only ones that's

31:18

going really well. Print journalism is really struggling

31:20

because people want to get everything online. But

31:22

actually books, you know, you can't get free

31:24

books on, well you can get some new

31:26

books that come out that you mostly

31:28

want to read. You still

31:30

have to buy them. So everybody buy it.

31:33

There's an audiobook, there's a Kindle, there's

31:35

a hardback and there will be

31:37

a paperback. There's all sorts of ways that you

31:39

can get this book inside of you. And I

31:42

really think that you'll really enjoy it. If you

31:44

enjoy The Guilty Feminist, it's even referenced. Come on

31:46

guys. Get in there. But I think

31:48

you really will. I think it's a very guilty feminist book. That's

31:50

why I wanted to have Anushka on the podcast today. Anushka

31:53

Warden, it has been absolutely wonderful

31:55

to have you. You are

31:57

fucking amazing and I hope your book

31:59

is a huge hit. The

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