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Pushkin.
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I never thought of myself really as a deep naturalist.
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I'm not the kind of person who studies bees and bugs
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and lizards. I'm not a studier of nature,
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but I love it.
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This is Adam Eric.
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I think a lot of that had to do with my growing
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up in a rural place and having
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just nature spilling into the garden.
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Adam grew up in Swaziland, in southern Africa.
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There were monkeys jumping in the trees and birds
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and all sorts of things, and it was just so proximal
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to me.
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But Adam left the monkeys behind and moved
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to uc San Diego to start a neuroscience
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lab. As a world expert on the neurobiology
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of movement, he spent a lot of time thinking about
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things like Parkinson's disease, and that meant
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that other big issues took a back seat.
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I didn't know, of course, that we had
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an ecological crisis. I knew, of course,
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about what was called global warming then
1:05
and now we referred to usually as global heating,
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and I think in the nineteen nineties I remember
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being quite worried about it, but I was
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just so busy, kind of building my career and doing things
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I loved and enjoyed and being a parent and
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writing papers and doing experience of my lab
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that I was just so consumed with that that I
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didn't have any space or bandwidth.
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I'm guessing you might relate to this Like Adam.
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You've probably heard of global heating and seeing
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all the extreme weather events that result from it,
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the wildfires, the droughts, the
1:32
storms. It might really worry
1:35
you, but you still feel like you don't have the
1:37
bandwidth in your daily life to do much about
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it. Yeah, you might switch to driving
1:41
a hybrid or change your light bulbs, but
1:43
doing anything more feels like it'll be a major
1:46
pain, a continued overload
1:48
on your already hectic schedule. Sound
1:50
familiar well, As we'll
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see in this episode, Adam decided to throw
1:54
himself fully into the fight against climate
1:57
change, and far from making him miserable,
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this choice set him on an unexpected path
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to purpose, connection and even more
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happiness.
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You're part of something very beautiful, and
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it's extremely gratifying to me
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and makes me feel better.
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Honestly, you're listening to the Happiness
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Lab with doctor Laurie Santos. Tales
2:19
of our gradually warming planet have been a background
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hum for decades. Neuroscientist
2:23
Adam Aaron certainly wasn't relaxed about
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the build up of greenhouse gases, but it
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wasn't at the front of his mind either, and.
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I think frankly, I also didn't realize how serious
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it was until about twenty eighteen.
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Twenty eighteen was the year of a famous report
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by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel
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on Climate Change. It outlined what
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would happen if the world left temperatures to keep
2:43
rising. The report explained that if
2:45
we acted quickly and kept the heat bumped to only
2:48
one and a half degrees celsius, things
2:50
would be very bad, but allowing
2:52
a far more likely jump of two degrees celsius
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would be catastrophic.
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For example, the differen between one point five celsius
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and two celsius is like seventy percent of
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coral reefs being completely destroyed by ninety
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nine percent. So I you know, we want to keep the coral
3:05
reefs and all the marine life that depends
3:07
on that, we need to keep eating. To two cells is what beneath
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to celsius, and.
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Coral reefs won't be the only casualties of unchecked
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warming. Ice caps would disappear
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in sea levels would drastically rise, so
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say goodbye to coastal cities and small island
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nations. The report's list of catastrophes
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went on and on, and I.
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Just thought, oh my god, you
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know this is dramatic stuff. If you haven't
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really sobbed and cried and
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really sat down and had your body racked
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by sort of thinking about how grave
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this isn't the threat our little planet is under
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here, then you haven't really seen it. And
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I think a lot of people haven't really seen it.
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Our planet that IPCC report said
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will be totally devastated unless we
3:46
enact rapid, far reaching and unprecedented
3:49
changes in all aspects of society.
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When it dawned on me how serious this isn't, how
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fast this is moving, and what the threat is, this triggered
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considerable anxiety on myself that
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much of what I hold dea that plants, the animals,
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the whole biosphere is under threat, and that, of course
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is also trigger for me to get much more engaged.
4:05
But what forms should this engagement take? Adam
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was all read doing the sorts of things that many of
4:10
us do, like driving an electric car and
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eating a bit more sustainably. What else
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could he fit around a full time job.
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Now I was a well regarded world expert
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at a sort of twenty year career.
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Doing this, Adam was in a quandary. The
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dire warnings demanded that he act to help
4:25
save the planet, but how could he abandon
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his life's work, his students, and his lab.
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It was then that he came across the activist
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phrase find your own frontline.
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Find your front line is a lovely idea.
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You look around and you say, what are the front
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lines? What are the places of society
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or the institute's I live in? Where actually can make a difference.
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Adam's front line was his university and
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its students. His neuroscience
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class was packed with eighteen to twenty year olds,
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so Adam nervously approached his boss with
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an idea, Can I.
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Teach a class on the psychology of
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climate change? He said? Okay.
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Things started slowly. The first class
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only had a dozen students, but Adam's
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concise global heating message cut through.
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It is absolutely essential that we
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all strive right now to at any
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increase. Every fraction of a degree is very
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significant.
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Pretty soon the class swelled to more than one hundred
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students, and inspired by Adam's
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example, many went off to find their own
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frontlines, joining demonstrations
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to push for local climate action.
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And it's extremely gratifying
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to me. I'm quite exciting to see students
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taking the trolley downtown and getting in front of the
5:29
city council and railing against the city
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councils to do something better for the climate,
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and getting their sense of civic engagement and recovering
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their voices.
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But Adam didn't just wave his students off on their
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protest marches and then return quietly
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to his lab. He wanted to recover his
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voice too. He wanted his climate concerns
5:45
heard by both his bosses and his peers.
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So if you're a university professor, your frontlines
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are the academic Senate, the faculty governance,
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the administration, your ability to influence your colleagues,
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your ability to influence the institutions you're part
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of the Society of for Neuroscience. Thirty
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thousand people jump on planes every year and flight to
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a yearly meeting, which is preposterous, frankly,
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and so part of your frontline is trying to do something
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about that. Make the meeting harps big or make the meeting
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e.
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Each thousands of students showed
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up to join the climate movement.
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Less than a year after his environmental awakening,
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Adam took a lead in one of the biggest climate
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strikes his university had ever seen.
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As part of a global Day of Action, he joined
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hundreds of UCSD students, faculty,
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and staff who left their desks and took
6:31
to the streets to push for change. By
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joining other concerned citizens and demanding
6:35
action on climate change, Adam found
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a vital ingredient for happiness, a
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practice we talk a lot about on this show, Social
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Connection. Adam began to feel
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a deep sense of belonging with his fellow
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activists. He was part of a group and
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couldn't let them down by skipping protests.
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I feel I need to go, I need to be
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there, I need to turn up. I feel that the group
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won't do so well without me.
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I'm the first to admit that global heating is
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really scary. It's terrifying to
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doom. Scroll on social media and see
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starving polar bears and burning forests.
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The anxiety that comes from confronting climate
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change can feel parallel. When Adam
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first read that brutal IPCC report.
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He too admits to being scared, but facing
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the problem directly with like minded friends
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has helped him overcome that fear.
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You get together with five or six or eight people
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and you talk about it, you immediately feel better. You
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have agency together, We're going to do something about
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it. We're hearing each other.
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Adam's activism gave him a ton of satisfaction,
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the same satisfaction he used to get from
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his neuroscience research. Organizing
7:33
against climate change gave him a new community,
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but also a sense of purpose, which is vital
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to our well being. But all this rewarding
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green activism began demanding more and
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more of his time and attention.
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So I think there was a gradual process of getting more
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and more concerned about this, so sort of a gradual
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letting go of one kind of
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career in shifting to something else.
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Adam made the difficult decision to close his
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neuroscience lab, turning his back on
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decades of hard work and dedication. Activism
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became his new full time occupation.
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Even though it's been challenging for me to make this shift
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and to kind of jettison my court Korea, I
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do feel a strong sense of purpose
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and I feel what I'm doing is very meaningful.
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I find Adam's story inspiring, but
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realistically, most of us aren't going
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to emulate him.
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People running around putting food on the table, or
8:20
taking their kids to soccer practice and just barely struggling
8:22
to get them in out of school and feed them, They're
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not going to have time to do this.
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I'm guessing most of you listening right now can't
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realistically quit your jobs to join the climate
8:30
fight. But what can we learn from
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Adam's journey? Are there smaller ways
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we can each find our own front lines and reap
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the joy and purpose that Adam did. The
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Happiness Lab will be right back.
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We are like a little boat going down
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the river right now, humanity okay, and
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we can get to the side of the river. We
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could get to the bank.
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Climate activist Adam Aaron reckons we
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still have time to avert total disaster if
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we collectively agreed to start paddling very
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hard in the right direction rather than
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letting the rapids sweep us away.
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Now. The problem is if we keep dilly dallying,
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then we're going to hit the waterfall and we will
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incur these very large geophysical
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tipping points, we could set in motion things
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that are so enormous that then may become a
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sense. Then in that timeframe, in
9:22
ten years roo we'd be like whoops.
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Adam's new book, The Climate Crisis explains
9:26
the sorts of actions that can save us from that feet,
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things like a switch to wind in solar power
9:31
and the rapid electrification of our homes
9:33
and transportation, and Adam says
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such actions aren't the stuff of science fiction.
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All these positive steps are totally doable.
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It's just that there's not enough people coming out saying
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we want you to do that. And if they did, and they droves,
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we'd get it.
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So why aren't citizens taking to the streets
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to push for this green revolution. Sure,
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there are some people who refuse to accept the science.
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They don't believe bubble heating is happy, they don't believe it's
9:56
human cores. They don't believe the impacts will be grave
9:58
or are grave. And that characterizes
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one set of people.
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But Adam says there's also a second kind
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of climate skeptic, one that he worries
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about even more.
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This is people around me here in californ Any
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probably people around you where you are, who definitely
10:12
believe we have a problem. They may know quite
10:14
a bit about it, they may feel threatened
10:16
by it, they've got young kids, but they're just not
10:18
going to act, and so they are skeptical
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about response.
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Response skeptics know a crisis is looming,
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but assume their individual actions won't matter
10:26
all that much. These skeptics might
10:29
think that only people with money or power can
10:31
make a real difference, and that ordinary
10:33
people are wasting their time and energy trying
10:35
to do something meaningful. Did you
10:37
ever go through periods of response skepticism
10:39
yourself when you started like just that it's
10:41
too big or my actions don't matter.
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Well, I go through that all the time, little micro
10:46
moments, and you know, sometimes
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frankly, I recognize the speed
10:51
and scale of what is needed is so enormous, and the
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timescale is so short that I
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have my doubts, And so I think it is a fluctuation
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between feeling at moments
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hopeful and seeing a way forward, and seeing
11:02
policy wins, and seeing a sense that yes, we
11:04
have the technology we need, Yes we pretty much
11:07
have everything we need, Yes we could do these things principle,
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And sometimes I see evidences happening, and then
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other moments in the day it's like, oh, this is overwhelming.
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It is easy to lose hope. But whenever
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Adam feels his optimism weakening, he looks
11:18
to all the campaigners of the past, abolitionists,
11:22
suffragettes, civil rights activists.
11:24
You have to kind of be acquainted somehow
11:27
with the history of social movements, the history
11:29
of how political and social change is made by groups
11:31
of people advocating locally. But we have lots
11:33
of fantastic examples to look at. I mean,
11:36
you think about the same sex marriage struggle.
11:38
You know, in twenty fifteen, the Supreme
11:40
Court rules boom, it's law of the land.
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Now, that's preceded by decades of
11:45
town by town, city by city, in fact, conversation
11:47
by conversation. If you look at the suffragettes fighting
11:50
for women's rights, I mean, people forget that
11:52
until nineteen seventy five, a
11:54
women in the United States was the property of
11:57
our husband. That wasn't so long ago,
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right, We've made enormous changes, you know. A
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really nice example of how local leads
12:03
to national change is, of course, the Nixon
12:05
era. Nixon was a deeply
12:07
conniving politician, certainly no environmentalist,
12:10
and yet he brought the most far reaching environmental
12:12
legislation probably the world's ever seen so that the United
12:14
States has ever seen in the early nineteen seventies.
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Now, what happened was that town
12:19
by town, city by city, people came out and started
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confronting polluters and pollution and clamoring
12:23
to the point where it became so onerous on the
12:26
corporations that the corporations required the
12:28
federal government to create standards. Now, I mean,
12:30
that's a very nice history to look at.
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And movements that start in your own backyard can
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truly be felt around the world. History
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shows social change doesn't tend to stop
12:39
at national borders, you know.
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In one sense. Obviously, the struggle
12:43
to arrest or prevent really
12:45
bad global heating is a global struggle,
12:47
right, and it needs to happen everywhere, but particularly in the United
12:49
States, because we have our hands on a big level
12:52
here, and if we get policy wins locally,
12:54
we trigger change nationally, and what the United
12:56
States does influences the whole world. A
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sober analysis of much of the great
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legislation, much of the great social change
13:02
made the United States and many other countries, starts
13:05
with a recognition that it often starts locally
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by local actors. And groups of people pushing
13:09
for something.
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The reason individuals can have such a huge impact
13:13
comes down to something psychologists call behavioral
13:15
contagent. Let's say you switched to an
13:17
EV, put solar panels on your roof, and
13:19
go to a climate march. Research
13:22
shows these activities can serve as honest
13:24
signals to the people around you. When
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we see people behave in certain ways, we implicitly
13:28
assume that those behaviors are the accepted community
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norms, and once certain actions
13:33
are seen as the norm, more and more people
13:35
adopt them. Adams is the climate
13:37
fight has seen lots of great examples of
13:39
behavioral contagion.
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Basically, five or six people in Massachusetts
13:43
about fifteen years ago got together and
13:46
brought this policy idea. And the policy idea was
13:48
that when you pay some of your
13:50
electricity bill, let's make sure that
13:52
some proportion of electricity bill go to a not for
13:54
profit that tries to make sure that that money is actually
13:56
used to procure renewables. And that's
13:58
called community choice aggregation. Now there
14:01
are now one hundred and twenty million Americans
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that have community choice aggregation. It jumped all
14:05
around the countries of policy issue. Now that's
14:07
a nice example of contagion.
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Of course, no matter how passionate and persuasive
14:11
you are, you can't win them all. But
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Adam says, the struggle itself can still
14:15
make a difference.
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Sometimes we fight for things, and often we
14:19
lose legislatively and we don't get
14:21
the constructional win, or it may not come for years.
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But in the process of struggling, we have an enormous
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impact on people's consciousness, and that
14:28
is incredibly important and valuable.
14:30
If you started this episode as one of those response
14:33
skeptics, if you accepted that climate
14:35
change was happening but didn't think you could do anything
14:37
about it, I hope you now feel empowered
14:39
by Adam's story and ready to make at
14:41
least some small changes.
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I don't expect everyone needs to do something that
14:45
draumatic, you know. I don't think everyone should drop
14:47
everything they're doing and become climate activists immediately.
14:50
I mean, look, activists
14:52
are always going to be small in number.
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Right now, I'm estimating that we're about one in a thousand
14:57
here in San Diego, and I hope we can get to five
14:59
and one thousand, But we can't expect that
15:02
ever, perhaps to be too big, And I don't expect everyone
15:04
needs to do something that draumatic, and people can
15:06
of course get engaged at night or on
15:08
the weekend a little bit during the day on
15:10
the stuff while keeping their key careers
15:12
going. And I think, by the way, it's important
15:15
to do what you love, you know, I don't think
15:17
everyone should drop everything they're doing and become climate
15:19
activists immediately. I mean, during World
15:21
War Two, when people are fighting the Nazis, we
15:24
wanted people to develop radar and develop
15:26
techniques, but we also wanted the people just keep
15:28
starting sixteenth century Renaissance
15:31
literature, and no matter what happens on planet
15:33
Earth and how bad this gets, we want the best
15:35
of humanity to flourish. And of course that is
15:37
creative, wonderful things that people study
15:40
and do because they're curious about it. So I simply
15:42
don't feel that everyone should drop what they're
15:44
doing.
15:44
Not everyone's going to be an activist, but I've
15:47
got an activist then what Well,
15:49
just as he did back when he was a college professor,
15:51
Adam suggests that you too, look for your
15:53
frontline.
15:54
Just about everybody in their profession
15:56
or in their space has got frontlines on this.
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I mean, if you're a teacher, you can teach.
16:01
If you're an architect, you can absolutely
16:03
be part of a revolution in new building
16:05
design. But if you're in a different situation society,
16:08
you might fork aunt, will work for a nonprofit, or
16:10
you might be a retired person. Almost
16:12
everybody has the capacity to identify
16:15
frontlines professionally or in their personal life
16:17
where they can actually be a communicator on the climate
16:19
crisis.
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Climate scientists have done an excellent job explaining
16:22
the devastating consequences of our collective
16:24
inaction. As I researched this series,
16:26
I was terrified by all the predictions. Things
16:29
right now are very bad for our planet.
16:31
It could get a lot worse if we don't act quickly.
16:34
But Adam says there are hopeful stories
16:36
for what our future could look like if we put in
16:38
the work. He thinks we all need
16:40
to become more positive climate communicators
16:43
and to share these optimistic visions of what society
16:45
could be like if we changed our ways.
16:47
There are ways of our living with much
16:50
less carbon intensity, with much
16:52
more kind of sharing and common purpose
16:54
that actually would be very healthy for people. And I
16:56
think this is a really important topic to explore, and
16:59
World War two is perhaps a good example of that in
17:01
the United States, people, we are prepared
17:04
to tolerate rationing. You know, air
17:06
conditioners and metallic devices were requisition
17:08
for the warf Shoes and clothes
17:10
were made from four or five items on standard
17:12
production line specified by the government. There
17:15
was no pleasure driving of cars. You had
17:17
to have four people in a vehicle with a proper purpose
17:20
and to prevent price gouging. That was rationing
17:22
of all sorts of clerosene and food.
17:25
And people not only tolerated to some extent,
17:27
they thrive. And of course that's an exceptional
17:29
situation. It was an emergency with a common
17:31
sense of purpose. But people rally and we see
17:33
that over and over again.
17:34
It's comforting to think that our grandparents and great
17:37
grandparents faced a similar existential
17:39
threat and made exactly the kind of lifestyle
17:41
changes we need to accept today. Many
17:43
older folks look back on those warriors fondly
17:46
as a time of unity and cooperation. It
17:49
just goes to show that being an engaged citizen
17:51
has a ton of happiness benefits. When
17:53
you fight for a good cause, you'll inevitably
17:55
form bonds with fellow activists. You'll
17:57
get a sense of belonging and a powerful feeling
18:00
of purpose. You'll experience the
18:02
reward of doing good for your fellow humans.
18:05
Just ask Adam. He may have given up
18:07
his comfortable former life and thrown him
18:09
into the scariest threat facing humanity, but
18:12
he's happier.
18:13
Sometimes I have losses and sometimes I have wins,
18:15
and sometimes I'm encouraged and sometimes I'm discouraged.
18:18
But generally speaking, I have a strong
18:20
sense now of purpose and it makes me
18:22
feel better.
18:23
Honestly, so, even if only for
18:25
your own well being, it might be worth making
18:27
twenty twenty four the year to do a little
18:29
more for the planet. You can find your
18:31
own front line. Maybe that's going
18:33
to a climate march, or pushing your local government
18:35
to electrify new buildings, or becoming
18:38
a green trendsetter in your neighborhood, or
18:40
just sharing the special Happiness Lab series
18:42
on climate Hope with the people you know. The
18:45
actions you pick might be big or small, but
18:47
the science shows it's likely there'll be more contagious
18:49
than you think. And above all, Adam
18:52
says you need to drop that response skepticism,
18:55
just commit to getting involved without worrying.
18:57
If little old you can really make a difference.
18:59
I think of Wendell Berry, who says, you
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know, we don't have any right to ask
19:03
whether we're going to succeed or not. The
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only right we have is to ask what's the
19:08
right thing to do on Oh, what's the right thing
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to do to keep living on by the earth. It's
19:12
not a question of big be hopeful. It's a question of being
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the right thing to do and having dignity.
19:17
That's the end of the short season about how we can
19:19
navigate the climate challenge a little happier.
19:22
To be sure, global heating is a difficult
19:24
and depressing topic, but I hope
19:27
you've found some hope and optimism in these episodes.
19:29
And if you've learned nothing else from the guests I've spoken
19:32
to, it's that even in dark times, we need
19:34
to remember the happiness essentials of social
19:36
connection, a sense of purpose, and doing good
19:38
for others. The Happiness Lab
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will be back soon, and we're shifting gears
19:43
in store for February, the month of Saint Valentine's
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Day, We'll be looking at love.
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Oh.
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I think on our second date, John
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said, you know, I was in another relationship,
19:53
but I've told her I'm not going to
19:55
see her anymore. I immediately had a pianic
19:57
tat. It was like really
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already, But five months later
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he proposed
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So make a date and listen again to the Happiness
20:05
Lab with me, Doctor Laurie Santos
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