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From Mermaid Palace and Radio

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Tapia. Welcome. To

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the heart. I'm

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Caitlin. pressed. To

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be doing this. Yeah, I'm so happy you're

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perfect. If it's just nice, it's the

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sound you are now hearing a. Lot.

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Better on. As the sound

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of a radio play. Being.

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I'm just gonna just from and

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the can be created The Ogre

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for videos Yes! Underpants, The Man.

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You are now. Here is your murdered. His

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the sound of a man. Named.

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Johnny spends. An anime

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character. I'm being a. And

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let's get biscuit her for her!

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I first met Johnny Spence. At.

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The very same faraway place.

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Where. The original Real life. Sweater. From.

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Last episode. Was. Linked to

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me, It. Was

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a few years later. And

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that same cold church. Johnny

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and I drank Irish T. Along

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those same Irish roads. We.

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Walked to local country pubs.

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this of my best friend.

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Mics a remarkable health. And

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in the same little cabins that the

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artists get to sleep. We

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spooned after a long night.

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Of drinking. Meeting.

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Johnny was like. Meeting.

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A version of myself I had forgotten. I'd

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forgotten that. One

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day of the wake up and decide you're going on

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a road trip. Up

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here. That

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you could see an opulent stone house. And

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decide to put the blinker on and

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pull into the long driveway looking over

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the person that you just met yesterday

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with a smile and together. Pretending

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that the Stone House. Is

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your home? Oh

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I forgot, Our.

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Have forgotten that you could. Have

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someone you barely know how just

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with the tenderness of a lifetime.

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Last. Meeting

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Johnny Speeds helped me remember all of

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that. And

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he made me wonder. Where.

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And me. And had gone. Across

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the ocean, Back home in

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New York City. Was.

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A boyfriend. This. Boyfriend saw

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me returned from. This same Irish

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Radio Festival. Wearing.

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A forest green sweater a few years

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earlier. One.

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That I didn't take on for weeks. One

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that spawned the creation of a radio play.

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Don't You Heard and the Last Episode.

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Is boyfriend with See Me Return

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this time. With. The

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for line look of a woman who

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knows. That it's over. His

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boyfriend. Will. Become the basis

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of a fictional character. Named

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Charlie Park. When.

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I moved to Toronto after. Breaking up

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with the New York Boyfriend it was

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to make a radio drama for the

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Cbc. There was

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to create the show. That you've been listening

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to hear on the heart. It's

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called the shadows. when

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i started thinking about who could

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perform as devon the character who

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lens the sweater they just so

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happened that Johnny Spence lived in

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Toronto. And so,

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of course, he came to mind as

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a possible candidate for the

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wildly romantic character of Devin, the

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sweater lender, the letter writer.

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Johnny came over to the bathtub studio, sat

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in the bathtub with me. You thought

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the connection was... I have the fancy

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mic. Mm-hmm. And

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read a few of the original letters out loud

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into microphones. November 24th, 5.08 p.m. Of

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course, it was no surprise that he was a

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natural. I have read your email over and over

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again. And so, that

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is how our friendship continued. Hey,

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baby, you want me to roll you a cigarette? Yes,

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please. Okay. Via recording

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sessions where we pretended to be people who

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fell in love at a

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faraway festival. I haven't really been wearing deodorant lately.

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Mm-hmm. Well, it's a nice feeling,

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isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. A

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nice feeling. People who both had people back

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home. In the

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last episode, you heard the story of the sweater that

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got lent and how disturbed the

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sweater was to see that its

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new owner was playing both sides, writing

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to her faraway lover, Devin, and

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dating her stay-at-home boyfriend, Charlie. This

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is episode four of

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The Shadows. This

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is for The Shadows. Episode

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four. Division.

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Do. Something endlessly funny

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about. Sock

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puppets. I'm

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now collaborating with my mentor, Becky. As

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that it would be funny for Becky and I to create

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a show. About polyamorous sox.

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The. Pali Sox were up against the assumption

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that sox come in pairs. He

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created to boring looking married couple saw

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Leo and all is. Leo

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had a red bow tie at his neck,

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olive, a red bow tie and her head.

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Pandora. Their third was a

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purple. Polka dots off with red hair

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and a suitor to become a triad

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and live happily ever after. Charlie.

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Shows up at every show even though I know he

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hates it. Truly.

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Loves monogamy. Healthy.

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I'm an exhilarating. It's too soon. And.

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Charlie and I are in bed. The.

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Sun is peaking through the john blinds

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of the windows. I.

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Like falling asleep at the blinds up to the sun will

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pour and my face in the morning. Charlie

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likes to sleep the blinds down because he's afraid

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the people see in the window at night. Charlie

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and I don't do any of the things I usually do and

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I'm falling a moose. We. Don't say

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things like. Where. Did you come

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from or sir into each other's

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eyes for hours? Or. Indulge in

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any sort of sad to see that before

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there was a part of us missing and

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now we are both complete. Instead.

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When. He does his laundry. He offers to do mine

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too. When. I say

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I'm hungry. He stops working and make sandwiches.

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He notices. I left my bike lights on my bike

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and he takes them off and keeps them in his pocket all

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day long until we see each other at night. Meanwhile,

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I'm wearing a sweater that

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a man I met on the train gave to me. Okay,

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Caitlin P. I'm

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reading from a small little book that

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I bought from a shop in Rome. I

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am listening to voice memos of the man

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I met on the train's diary. I'm using

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the sweater as an excuse to see her

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again. Big news. I

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just bought a ticket to

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fly in a plane to M.Y. It's

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just kind of a thing for me, like if I'm sleeping

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with somebody I don't, it's like with other people, so... Does

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that mean I'm your girlfriend? Um,

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well... Do

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you want to be my girlfriend? Yeah, I do. Definitely.

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Okay. Like, I

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mean, so what, how do you define monogamy?

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Like, if you want to be

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exclusive, like, what's the,

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how do you define it? Really?

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I mean, I don't know. That's not

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obvious, or... I mean... Clear? I,

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I guess, I don't know. I mean, I

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feel like everybody has a different line.

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I just, I guess I just always noticed if

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I'm attracted to somebody and then I just stop

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there. Hmm. Hmm.

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Uh... I've never tried that

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before. You've never tried that before? Yeah. Are

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you sure you don't sound convinced? I, I would love

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to try out monogamy. I think that people seem to be, seem

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to think it's a great thing. I

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want to try pilates. Yeah, I mean...

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Sounds good for you. Yeah, people

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seem to like it. People seem to

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like it. Yeah, I feel like it's worth a

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shot. It's a little bit

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romantic. I mean, you...

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I mean, from everything I've seen of... Nomadogamy

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around me... It does not end. well

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ever it seems. Yeah but

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when does the monogamous relationships end well?

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I write

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to Devin. We have to stop writing to each other.

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Yes. Yes. Can it be tomorrow that

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we stop? Okay tomorrow. What

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if I write to you everything that I

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feel for you in one massive email and

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then we stop writing to each other? Yes

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that sounds better. Okay let's maybe

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we make a deadline? Yeah a deadline.

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Wednesday? Friday? Friday?

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Can we do Friday? Friday where? Baker Island

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Vancouver Friday? That's that's

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Saturday morning technically. I think that that's the

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right Friday. Okay. So we're

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allowed to write each other as much as we want

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until then and we can

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say whatever we want. Everything say everything.

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We don't have to try not to say

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anything. We have to say everything. Okay. Devin

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and I we're just

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figuring out the parameters of how to be friends. It feels

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like I have a crush on the moon. We're

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just figuring out the rules.

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We only talk about your score for my puppet play

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from now on. We were figuring out how to follow

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them. I want you in my toothpaste. My morning coffee.

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My folded laundry. I'm about to brush my teeth thinking

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of you. We're practicing following the rules and

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how to be friends and practicing

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involves a lot of failure.

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I have this picture up on my laptop now

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here at work and I look

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at it every once in a while

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and find myself blushing. Failure and then

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trying again. No more emails and then

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failure. I'll write you one more

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letter and then later.

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And trying again. We'll keep

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the love letters we write in a secret box and we

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should give them to each other 50 years. That's

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what we were doing. I can't wait to see

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you in a couple weeks. Do

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you still want me to come? Yeah of course

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I want you to come. You have to come. Please don't not

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come. Hey

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Charlie. Mm-hmm. I

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don't know. I feel like we're gonna try to go for as long

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as we can. Okay.

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Cool. Well, I guess get

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some good work done and stuff. I'll call you

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tomorrow. Okay. Bye. And then...

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I don't want to fill our

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house with little

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babies that we make together. Many

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little babies. How many? Too

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many to count. We lose

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track of their names. There's

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ones that we don't even know. You're

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like, Seamus. You'd be

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like, Seamus, come here.

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And I'd have a pause and be like, is one of them

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called Seamus? And then the

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entire weekend had gone by. You

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feel good with everything that happened

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to you? Yeah, I do. I

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miss you. Leaving

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on a promise. You know what has

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to happen to make this dream a reality? What?

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I think you need to talk to Charlie. Yeah, I know. I

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know. I

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go straight to his house and

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I wait for the right moment to tell

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him everything. Yeah, I'm good. And it...

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Oh my God. I

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know that the more respectful thing to do is to

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tell him right away before we have.

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But I'm weak. And

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then... You

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know I love you right? Really?

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Yeah. I

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do. I

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love you too. KP.

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I love you.

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I love you. I

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love

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you. I'm in the wrong position. I

18:30

don't like the crap. I'm

18:34

freaking out. How

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did this happen? I

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don't know. You're gonna tell Charlie that,

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right? I

18:44

don't know. I really feel

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like you should. You

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know that Charlie's a better option. You

18:52

know he's so good to you. You just have to forget

18:54

it happened and move on with your life. It

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would be so selfish. It would be selfish for you to

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tell him. Charlie's not giving you

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this romantic spark then even if it's

19:03

really comfortable and you have

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a lot of connection and that's really important

19:07

too. But you and Devin are

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both weirdos. I don't know. I just get

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the sense that that weirdo type person like

19:14

this mirrors you and echoes

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some of your stuff is the type of

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person that maybe you should heal. England, you're

19:21

supposed to be directing this rehearsal and everyone

19:23

is waiting. God

19:25

dammit. The cranky's not gonna crank itself. Dammit.

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Call me back. You're

19:32

lying. Charlie has no idea what's happening

19:34

between you and Devin. You just

19:36

want to have your cake and eat it too. You know you're

19:39

saying, oh I don't want to tell Charlie the truth

19:41

because that would hurt him. No, you don't want

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to tell him the truth because

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you don't want him to leave you

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and that is unfair and fucked up.

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Yeah, I don't know. I'm

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gonna do it tomorrow. I'm gonna...

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Okay. Yeah. I'm gonna...

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I gotta go. Okay.

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Okay. I have

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to hear lunch? Yeah. Okay.

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What? What are you doing? Having

22:59

a moment of silence. I

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heard once about a woman who was making out with

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another man in the basement of her own wedding. It

23:16

was in the 60s, but for some reason I imagine it

23:18

in the 80s. I

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imagine her in a bodacious 1980s wedding dress.

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Big black 1980s hairsprayed

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hair, dark red lipstick, smearing

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all over her lover's face in a

23:30

church basement with a weird smell and

23:33

folding tables, while upstairs in

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the chapel her new husband's family

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sit in the pews waiting

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for the ceremony to start. The

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affair lasted 18 years before she

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ended it at her husband's request, the

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time it took her firstborn child to grow

23:51

into adulthood. At

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first, as the story goes, her husband said

23:56

he was okay with it, but

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he didn't really know the experience. extent of it. He

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never once took advantage of the open arrangement that

24:04

they'd both agreed upon. He never

24:07

had the desire to. And over

24:09

the years it became obvious that the arrangement was

24:11

causing him great anguish. It

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took several years of observing that anguish

24:18

for the woman to finally end it with a

24:20

man she'd been committed to for the exact same

24:22

length of time. In

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my own manic confusion, I seek

24:31

this woman out. I

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tell her I'm doing research for a puppet play about being in

24:35

love with two people at the same time. I arrive

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at her beautiful home, furnished

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with carpentry touches created by her husband,

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who she's still married to. It's been

24:46

50 years since that wedding day now, and

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she won't give me any details. I

24:52

don't want to hurt a hair on his head.

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She's talking about her husband, the

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husband who stayed through 18 years of her affair

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with someone else, through 32

25:03

more years after that.

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She's giving me nothing, talking

25:07

in abstract terms that don't make any

25:09

real sense. I

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start getting ready to go. She

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stares out the window. She

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says to me, he's

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dying. Who?

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The man I kissed in the basement of

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my own wedding. The

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man I was with for 10 years. She

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says 10, but I was told it was 18 by someone

25:33

who was close to her. Oh

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no, that's awful. He's

25:39

in a hospital around the corner. Do

25:43

you think I should go

25:45

visit him? The

25:47

weight of the question bears down on my heart.

25:55

Definitely. In

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the beginning, We talked about getting

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an apartment on the Upper

26:03

West Side of Montrean by Paramount Park. We'd

26:06

stay there once a year for a week for

26:09

the rest of our lives. I

26:11

thought about it. Yes, I indulged

26:13

wholeheartedly in the fantasy. It would be all

26:16

white. Funnily, with

26:18

a white bed and bedsheets. Hardwood

26:20

floors. But I couldn't bear the thought

26:22

of actually doing it. Much

26:25

like the way that I fantasize about suicide

26:27

sometimes. The fantasy

26:29

is delicious. But

26:31

the thought of actually doing it makes

26:34

me sick. I

26:38

knew in my heart that what I really wanted was what the

26:40

wedding woman had. I wanted

26:42

Charlie to allow me this. I wanted

26:45

Charlie's consent. But he

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would never consent. I didn't even

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dare ask because the thought that I

26:51

would even want such a thing would

26:53

make me less attractive to him probably.

26:55

The worst part was that I knew

26:59

whatever I chose to do, I'd

27:01

be both happy and miserable.

27:05

That in a way, the choice was

27:07

totally arbitrary. All I had

27:09

to do was figure out what I wanted. Figure

27:13

out some way to predict the

27:15

future. The

27:21

future where Charlie reads every single email I've

27:23

ever written to Devin. What are these

27:25

emails? Nothing. He breaks up with

27:27

me violently. I'm

27:32

on my deathbed. Charlie is sitting by

27:34

my side as he has as my faithful husband

27:36

for the last 52 years. Devin comes

27:39

to visit to see me one last time.

27:41

I want to kiss

27:43

Devin, but I know that it'll hurt Charlie.

27:46

I die with that thought on my

27:48

mind. What's that

27:50

mark on your neck? Oh, we

27:52

were giving each other hickies in rehearsal yesterday.

27:54

It was crazy. Future where I keep going

27:57

with Devin and never ever tell Charlie. That

27:59

sounds good. Interesting when I feel

28:01

guilty about it. I think about all the famous cheaters Leonard

28:04

Cohen and Ius Nein I use

28:07

their stories to justify my behavior all

28:09

the men in the 1950s got to cheat on their

28:11

wives Why don't I get to cheat on mine? I

28:15

could make you mine taste your lips of

28:17

wine anytime night

28:20

or day The future

28:22

where I decide that romantic love is irrelevant.

28:24

I buy a house with my sister We

28:26

co-parent and sing duets until we die Whenever

28:30

I want you all I

28:32

gotta do is dream Future

28:40

where I leave my life and career in

28:42

Monterran move to Nova Scotia say goodbye

28:44

to Charlie get married to Devon and

28:47

I'm miserable. I'm open

28:49

to compromise. I'm open to it not being my

28:51

way You can never agree on whose dream to

28:53

pursue. I got plaintiffs today for us

28:56

to go to Argentina I thought we were gonna go

28:58

see I'm gonna fix that sailboat and go sailing like a

29:00

nightmare Actual

29:02

nightmare in our garden I

29:05

tore up all of last year's plants and

29:07

I painted a whole bunch of lavender I

29:10

was really looking forward to the carrot like I've

29:12

never done the train across Canada before Yeah,

29:16

Siberia Trans-cyberian train,

29:18

why would you want to see Edmonton

29:20

when you could see st. Petersburg? I

29:23

just think it's way more exciting st. Petersburg.

29:25

You always say that I

29:27

always say that is more exciting. What we like to

29:29

vote on what we want to do Yeah, but you

29:31

have more voting power because you have a dick. I

29:35

Mean, I think I think we're more complicated

29:37

than our genitalia Easy for

29:39

you to say and then there's a future where

29:41

I break up with Devon get married to Charlie

29:43

and then miserable We have

29:46

three kids we fight every day

29:48

about how to bring them up. Hey

29:50

KP You

29:53

put some clothes on or something why you know

29:55

how I feel about this Charlie I

29:57

just wanna walk naked in front of our

29:59

baby I don't understand why

30:02

it's a problem. Freedom, nudity,

30:04

love, joy, happiness. I've

30:06

always wanted to walk naked in front of my babies. So,

30:12

do you want to... Not

30:14

really. Me

30:16

neither. I don't know if I ever

30:18

want to have sex again. The

30:20

future where I commit to long-term monogamy and

30:22

completely give up on desire and romance. Cool,

30:24

so we're never doing it again, right? No.

30:28

The moment we both confessed that we didn't give a

30:30

shit was the greatest liberation of

30:32

our adult lives. I'm

30:36

83, lipstick in hand. I'm

30:39

applying the thin red line that has

30:41

become my lips. Ugh, ugh, ugh. Reapply.

30:46

I'm getting ready for my hot date with Sandra across

30:48

the hall. She will

30:50

smooch and caress my soft, weathered skin

30:53

all afternoon. One

30:56

of us will die soon. And the

30:58

other will be alone again. At

31:00

this age, I'm so accustomed to the period of

31:02

solitude that comes between great loves that I

31:05

almost look forward to it. I

31:07

look forward to it the way one might look

31:10

forward to Savasana in yoga class.

31:13

A little too much. It

31:16

turns out love is

31:19

like hitchhiking. You wait

31:21

to catch a ride and enjoy

31:23

the company until you get dropped off at the

31:25

next place. Hey. Hey.

31:34

Hey. How

31:36

are you? Um... Not

31:41

so great, to be honest. What's

31:43

up? You

31:46

said that yesterday you were going to talk

31:49

to Charlie and just not

31:52

hearing from you last night or today.

31:54

I've been just kind of really wondering how we went

31:56

and... Anyways,

32:02

I don't mean to make

32:04

this about my anxiety, I'm just wondering, I guess

32:06

I've just been also trying

32:08

to get a hold of you. I'm just wondering how

32:10

you're doing and I

32:12

mean, how's it going? How did

32:14

it go? Uh...

32:21

Did you talk? No, I

32:23

didn't talk to him. Okay.

32:35

I don't want to have it, okay. What?

32:41

I think we have to stop talking, Devin. We

32:44

need to stop talking? Yeah, I'm

32:46

sorry. Uh...

33:17

I have to go. Sorry,

33:22

I have to go. I'm

33:27

sorry. Charlie,

33:31

what are you doing? Um,

33:33

just doing laundry. Oh,

33:35

okay. Do you want me to come? Yeah,

33:38

sure. In

33:49

the end, I decide I'm never going to

33:51

tell Charlie. It's your

33:53

body, your act. Yeah. Do

33:56

you want to wash your sweater? Yeah.

34:02

What? Nothing?

34:06

Yeah, it's time. Hey,

34:22

what's up? Just

34:24

a sad day. I need a

34:26

hug. Okay.

34:40

Thank you. Okay.

34:42

Can we go watch TV or something? Okay.

35:03

In a book called All About Love, Mel

35:06

Hooks says that romantic

35:09

love is one of the most destructive ideals in

35:11

the history of human thought. That

35:14

even saying to fall in love

35:18

perpetuates the idea that love is

35:20

something that happens to us. It

35:23

takes us away with it by some

35:25

mysterious current. She

35:28

says that love is supposed to be something that we do, something

35:31

that we practice, not

35:33

something that we have or find or even

35:35

feel. It's not some

35:38

magic spell. I

35:41

know that the decision I made to be with Charlie

35:43

was based on some intuition that this was the

35:46

truth, that

35:48

Devon was a storybook, and

35:51

Charlie was real life. And

35:55

that somehow that

35:57

was a greater adventure. If

38:00

you heard the voice

38:02

of someone that you have maybe never heard before,

38:04

maybe you have. At

38:06

the beginning of the episode where you heard about shows

38:08

that you should go and check out after this, her

38:11

name is Yasmin Mansuri.

38:15

She is an artist, a radio

38:18

maker. She has her

38:20

own podcast. It's called That

38:23

Intimate Feeling. It takes you

38:25

to another world. It doesn't sound like other things

38:28

out there because it's a true expression of

38:31

her heart and mind. And probably

38:33

follow her on Instagram because, you know, she's

38:35

someone to watch out for, okay?

38:38

Good things coming from this one. Happy

38:41

holidays. Also,

38:47

a genocide is still happening. It

38:49

is happening right now. This

38:52

is the moment where

38:54

people start to kind of forget about

38:56

it. This is the

38:58

moment where it's not, you know,

39:01

we spent our moments, our time watching the

39:03

news and being horrified and shocked. And

39:05

now the shock is worn off and the difficult

39:07

part is ahead. It's

39:10

the difficult part where you're not fueled by shock.

39:12

You're not fueled by rage. You are

39:15

fatigued. You are fatigued. Increasing

39:18

the pain of something through a computer screen can

39:21

be numbing. But this

39:25

is the moment that we all really need

39:27

to keep on going. We really need to keep on

39:29

showing up. This week and

39:31

next week, I'm going to be posting some stuff

39:34

on Instagram. I'm basically going

39:36

to – I have trouble with executive

39:39

functioning stuff, you know, like the –

39:41

calling anybody, calling

39:44

anyone at all is something that I

39:46

struggle to do. So

39:48

calling a representative, it's

39:51

a struggle. It's a struggle.

39:53

Like it feels – it's, you know – so I'm

39:55

going to – I am going to be doing that.

39:57

I'm going to be doing that. I'm going to record

39:59

myself doing that. it and I'm going to record

40:01

every single step. It's going to be a video, I'm

40:03

going to put it out as a reel and you

40:05

can follow along with me as

40:08

I do it. I will do how

40:11

do we even figure out who our MP is,

40:13

how do we figure out who our representatives are.

40:15

We're going to do that and then we're going

40:17

to pick up our phone, we're going to call

40:19

and we're going to leave a message or

40:22

talk to somebody who knows. I hope

40:24

that at least one person does it because as I

40:26

do it, I'm going to be thinking about you and

40:28

feeling like I'm not doing it alone. Someone

40:30

at least one person has to be doing it otherwise

40:32

I will be alone and it will be sad. That

40:35

is my offering to you. If you're already out there

40:37

spending your time protesting

40:40

and organizing stuff and wrangling people and

40:42

bothering people and posting things on social

40:45

media and giving away your social capital

40:47

to basically make people feel shame, God

40:53

bless you, God bless you, God bless you,

40:55

God bless you, thank you, thank you, thank

40:58

you, thank you, thank you, thank you for the work that you're doing

41:00

for the sake of all of our

41:03

humanity and if you are connected in

41:05

some way to the people of

41:07

Palestine, I hope you're taking care of yourself,

41:12

your soul, your heart, your mind and your body. And

41:17

magic abound. Happy New Year.

41:20

You know I hope that all of your dreams come true. Okay

41:23

bye. I

41:48

really do. Dude,

42:00

Devin, that was really

42:02

hard. I

42:05

wish it were you. My

42:15

name is Maddie Kelly. I'm a writer

42:17

and comedian, and along with my co-host,

42:20

Mark Chavez and Ryan Beal, we are

42:22

setting out to write a romantic comedy

42:24

movie script that is genuinely romantic and

42:26

actually funny. Give me something that's

42:29

both sexy and romantic. Lacrosse. The

42:31

sport? And when we run

42:33

into trouble, we'll get help from some serious rom-com

42:36

experts. People who have worked on everything from 10

42:38

Things I Hate About You to Mama Mia. This

42:40

is all gold. It's

42:42

Let's Make a Rom-Com. Available now on

42:44

CBC Listen and everywhere you get your

42:47

podcasts. Radio

42:49

to the end. From

42:52

VRX.