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Hello, everybody. Welcome to a very special

1:36

episode of The Hidden People, where

1:38

I, Chris Burnside, the lead writer

1:40

and executive producer, am joined

1:43

by a variety of wonderful people whose

1:45

voices you may or may not know.

1:47

Why don't you introduce yourselves, everybody? I'm

1:49

Megan Burnside, executive producer and

1:52

sometimes writer. I'm

1:54

Carrie Zahn, sometimes writer. Very

1:58

small sometimes. Don't look at me like that. like

2:00

that Chris you're very small sometimes I

2:04

thought you were gonna bring up the rotor thing hey patreon

2:10

supporters will understand if you've listened to our

2:12

commentaries before hey

2:14

everybody

2:17

this is Jordan Lopez I play McKenna

2:21

fact I direct and

2:23

I criticize you

2:25

are also on our story team I

2:28

think at some point I was hard to

2:30

remember I like how you went through

2:32

your roles in reverse order in terms

2:34

of how much you spend doing them you're

2:37

lucky I remembered

2:39

them this time because half the time he asked

2:41

me to do something and I go I forgot the

2:44

name of the character amazing

2:45

yeah well

2:49

we are here today to talk

2:51

to you about what is coming next for the

2:53

hidden people because obviously if you've gotten this

2:55

far you know that we have wrapped up three

2:58

long seasons of story a really big

3:00

story

3:01

but the show itself is not over

3:04

even though that story

3:06

arc is over so we're

3:08

going to talk a little bit about the hidden people but we're

3:10

also and this is really what you want to stick around for

3:13

gonna talk about what's coming next so if

3:15

you want to know where the show is going and when

3:18

it's coming back and all of the other

3:20

details about it coming back definitely

3:23

stick with us because we will be getting to that

3:25

before we wrap up today okay

3:27

well I'm gonna toss out a quick question

3:29

since you just talked about how we wrapped

3:31

up season three and

3:33

it was a continuing story over 66 episodes

3:38

amongst those episodes there were a lot of spoilers

3:40

a lot of secrets that we had to keep under wraps

3:43

but what were the hardest ones to keep oh

3:48

I mean there are a lot of hard are

3:50

you talking about just season three or just in general in

3:52

general well the identity of the storyteller

3:54

was probably the hardest of all

3:57

because how many times did I

3:59

just want to call him by

4:01

name, right? Especially once

4:03

we were into season three and

4:06

we had his name actually

4:08

in the script. Like before that, it was just

4:10

listed as narrator. But once we

4:12

got into season three, his

4:14

name, Vodon, is in the scripts. But

4:17

we're writing that like a year or

4:19

two before it actually came out.

4:21

Oh, that was really hard. Mm-hmm.

4:24

I didn't find it hard to keep any secrets

4:26

because, well, one,

4:29

I didn't know some of them, a lot

4:31

of them actually, but I did know some stuff that

4:34

happened at the very end because I was there

4:36

since day one. But mostly I don't have a memory.

4:38

So I was just as surprised as someone

4:41

else.

4:41

Excellent. Yeah.

4:45

The fried chicken story, why hasn't no one said that

4:47

yet? I know. I

4:50

know for me, there were a lot of

4:52

spoilers that were difficult

4:56

to hold back, especially when it came to the

4:58

deaths of main characters. Yes.

5:01

Or big characters. It

5:03

started with Ron and then, of

5:06

course, our more recent ones in season

5:08

three, Riley, and

5:11

what happened with Alfie at the end. A

5:13

lot of them we knew and our performers,

5:18

we would have a conversation with them at

5:21

the beginning of the season and kind of let them

5:23

know what was gonna happen to the character.

5:26

Or sometimes not at the beginning of the season.

5:28

When they don't read ahead through all of their

5:30

scripts, they don't always know what's gonna happen

5:32

to their character. Well, there's the infamous

5:35

story of how I told Aaron Brewer that

5:37

Dane was going to die because

5:41

Norb Wessels, who played Ron, said, I

5:43

have a feeling I'm not gonna make it and then

5:45

I'm gonna die at the end of season one. I don't

5:47

think I'm gonna make it. And I said,

5:51

don't worry, Norb, if you're ever not gonna make

5:53

it, I'll definitely have a conversation

5:55

with you beforehand to let you know. And

5:57

not

5:58

a minute later, I was like, Hey, Aaron, can you stick

6:00

around after rehearsal? And

6:03

then everyone's looked at him like, oh,

6:06

you know, like you got called to the principal's office and I was just

6:08

like, oh no.

6:09

Oh my goodness. You

6:14

know, I think one of the things that

6:16

was and continues to be

6:18

the hardest to keep, it's not a huge secret or

6:20

spoiler, but even from the very beginning, as

6:22

I'm telling people about the hidden people and

6:24

to listen to the show, I always struggle with like, how

6:27

much do I share about even

6:29

just

6:30

Mac being a halfling

6:32

and or

6:34

even just a changeling, which is kind of what you think at first.

6:37

Like you want to give them, especially now that we

6:39

have 66 episodes,

6:41

a little bit of a taste of like what the show

6:43

is beyond just kind of the almost,

6:46

I don't want to say fake out beginning, but

6:48

that quick genre change,

6:51

but at the same time you want to let them like figure that out.

6:54

And I still struggle with, I don't know how much to

6:56

tell people, but I think

6:59

from the very beginning, we had twists

7:01

and stuff planned. Hard

7:05

to navigate with people.

7:08

Well, I mean, yeah, that was a huge difficulty

7:10

in general, like, and ultimately

7:13

like, I think we agree that we maybe dragged

7:16

out a little too long, slow road a little

7:18

too much, but

7:20

that's, you know, hindsight, 2020 and all that.

7:24

Well, there's just so much behind everything.

7:27

And as we get into in a little bit, talking

7:30

about potentially some other DWM projects that

7:33

are in the works and how, you

7:35

know, we plan so far ahead for

7:38

every show, and it's hard to remember

7:40

like, oh, they don't know about this yet, or,

7:43

oh, we recorded that a year ago, but I

7:45

can't tell my friends who are just listeners because

7:47

they still won't know for another year

7:49

or whatever.

7:50

Right. Mm-hmm. Yeah,

7:53

when the finale of season three came out, I

7:55

sat there and I was like, I wrote this two years

7:58

ago. Oh my gosh. Like, or no.

7:59

three years ago. I wrote that three

8:02

years before that. That

8:05

what's like it was crazy.

8:08

It struck me I was like wait that was 2020. I wrote that during

8:12

quarantine that finale.

8:15

And then we didn't record it until 21 because quarantine.

8:19

Yeah and then by the time it came out it was 2023 so like yeah we're

8:22

way ahead of this this podcast

8:25

episode is coming to you from the future. As

8:26

are

8:30

all of them. I mean kind

8:32

of but also from the past. Also from the past.

8:35

Well speaking of the past

8:37

maybe we talk about what was planned since day

8:40

one.

8:41

Yeah what do you remember

8:43

because you were there on day one. I was there on day

8:45

one. I mostly remember

8:49

trying to break the story from I know

8:52

it was based on the screenplay

8:54

that you had written and

8:57

I don't remember exact I know

8:59

we started

9:00

we started with McKenna

9:03

who had many many names that we

9:05

went through but knew that she that

9:07

as a character and I don't

9:10

know other than knowing that she had

9:12

close friends I

9:13

don't know that we went into it knowing

9:16

much else besides you know the obvious

9:18

storyline of the her being

9:20

a changeling or a halfling. But

9:23

since actual day one I think

9:25

that's all I remember. Do

9:27

you do either you or Jordan remember

9:30

any like things that didn't come out until near

9:32

the end that

9:33

we did have planned at the beginning but we

9:35

slow rolled all the way. I'm sitting

9:41

here going okay what's day one is day one

9:44

where we have a Starbucks meeting and we talk

9:46

about your screenplay or is day one that

9:48

was the zero yeah the first or

9:50

is day one where we wrote the screenplay

9:52

yeah that would have been used

9:55

before that. I know that was day one.

9:58

You know what Carrie? Anyway,

10:01

to answer your question, Chris, before I get murdered,

10:05

for me, the biggest payoff and the thing I remember

10:08

listening to season three as someone who worked

10:11

exclusively on season one and some

10:14

story for season two was

10:16

the cloak of Fenrir and that coming

10:18

up again was I, to

10:20

be honest, I sort of forgot about it,

10:23

which was nice as a listener because I kind of came to

10:26

it with somewhat fresh years. Speaking

10:30

of the cloak, I kept getting mixed up

10:32

as to exactly what it was, which I

10:34

know was part of the storyline,

10:36

right?

10:38

But I was told what it was at some point, could

10:40

never remember. And then finally we came,

10:42

he circled around in season three, I was like, Oh,

10:45

that's right. That's what it was.

10:48

Oh my God. Yeah, it was intentionally

10:51

confusing so that we could pepper

10:55

in weirdness throughout seasons

10:57

one, two and three. And so I'll

10:59

be being able to trick all

11:01

of the people that he shouldn't be able to trick, which

11:05

we hopefully trick the audience to.

11:07

Yeah, hopefully, ideally, it

11:09

was a surprise, but then one that you're like, Oh, I

11:11

remember that that seemed like

11:13

a throwaway like monster of the week

11:15

kind of episode all the way back in season

11:18

one. And now it ends up being pivotal

11:20

to the way the story ends. And we knew that the whole

11:22

time from the moment that the

11:24

cloak of Fenrir was, I

11:26

guess, settled upon, which I believe

11:29

that was Alexa and Steven that

11:31

came up with Alexa, Fett Fisher

11:33

and Steven Kalenberg that came up with the cloak of Fenrir

11:36

and the concept of the cloak of Fenrir. And

11:38

then

11:40

then we kind of like worked out, Oh, this is

11:42

actually going to play a role all the way up until the end.

11:44

And it would have to do with Alfie. And ultimately,

11:47

Alfie's fate, which I settled

11:49

on very shortly after the cloak of Fenrir

11:51

was decided. So maybe not day one,

11:54

but like still during season one, I was

11:56

like, Oh, I know what's going to happen to Alfie in the last episode,

11:58

and it's going to have to do with the cloak of Fenrir.

11:59

So what did happen, Alfie? Well,

12:06

Alfie pulled the pins on

12:08

five grenades and jumped

12:10

with Robin into the circle. And

12:13

so the two of them teleported

12:15

down into the mountain, into

12:18

Vodon's lair, and five

12:20

grenades went off, I guess. Or

12:24

did it? Well, I'm sure

12:26

the grenades exploded. The question is

12:29

what happened to Robin and Alfie? Exactly,

12:33

because McKenna teased something at the end of the

12:35

episode in that she

12:37

and team were going to go and check out

12:40

what happened to Alfie. Yes.

12:43

So they could know for sure. And so that is something

12:45

that we kind of left a

12:47

little bit up in the air. Yes,

12:51

that is very true. We did. And we'll talk

12:53

about that in a little bit about

12:57

some of those teases for the future. Yeah.

13:00

And one other thing that we talked about planned

13:02

since day one was Vodon, right?

13:05

So starting, we knew we wanted to

13:08

have him as the quote

13:10

unquote, big bad at the end of season

13:13

three. And we knew we

13:15

wanted to work up to that. So we started out

13:17

with him being the narrator. And so

13:19

he still had a role

13:22

to build throughout the

13:24

seasons. And

13:25

I don't remember, did we talk

13:28

about Vodon

13:29

and then say, well, what if he was the narrator

13:31

or did we already have the narrator and then did we

13:33

decide, like, well, what

13:34

if that was Vodon? That is the

13:36

order it came in. That's what I thought. That's

13:39

what I thought. We knew it was that we knew the narrator

13:41

would be the ultimate big bad.

13:44

We didn't 100 percent

13:46

have it settled on it being Vodon. Okay.

13:49

I had this idea that the third season was

13:51

going to involve the wild hunt

13:53

and there are a few characters in,

13:56

especially in the English history

13:58

of the wild hunt who have ridden the.

13:59

Wild Hunt, a few different characters. And

14:02

so we didn't actually know who it was going

14:04

to be and one of those characters was Vodon

14:06

and that's ultimately what

14:08

led us to settle on him. But the first

14:11

thing that did it was, yeah, we were we were

14:13

coming off of doing a show called Unwritten,

14:15

which was our first show, and Unwritten had a narrator

14:18

who was an omniscient narrator who just...

14:20

there was no in-story explanation

14:23

for why this dude was narrating the story. He just was

14:25

a dude narrating the story. And

14:27

you just sort of got

14:29

used to him after a couple episodes and he was just

14:32

this floating, you know, narrator

14:34

voice. And we kind of wanted the

14:36

storyteller and the hidden people to be that. We

14:39

wanted people to just like feel that he was just faded

14:41

into the background, not really think about his identity.

14:43

He's just there. He's just narrating and

14:45

then all of a sudden,

14:46

at some point, you realize, oh no, this

14:48

is actually an extremely

14:51

important character and the ultimate villain of

14:53

the story.

14:54

And it was so funny that Sean's such an incredible

14:57

talent, but we kept being

14:59

pigeonholed into narrator. So

15:02

it was really Sean's coming-of-age story. We promise

15:05

it's not this forever. Just for like a really

15:07

long time. I feel like we told

15:09

him pretty early on. I feel

15:11

like we told him before he told anyone else. Yes,

15:13

we did. I had a conversation with him right

15:15

out, like, on our first rehearsal after we had cast

15:17

him.

15:18

I pulled him aside and I said, this is ultimately

15:21

what's going on with this character. And

15:23

he was very excited because he thought he was just

15:25

going to be another narrator gig. Right.

15:28

And then I said, no, at some point, you're actually going to become

15:30

a full-on character in the story. And

15:33

it's going to be this really cool reveal.

15:35

So yeah, he knew he knew it was coming a lot

15:37

longer than the

15:38

other cast. Yeah. And

15:41

similarly, we actually told Luna

15:44

and Stephen Goegle, who play Nissa

15:46

and Alfie, about the Cloak of Fenrir and about

15:48

how they actually still had it

15:51

right after we rehearsed that episode.

15:53

And we told them no one else. Well, that

15:55

was partially my fault because I accidentally

15:58

told them. Oh. because I

16:01

am not good at keeping secrets. So

16:03

if it, and they asked me a question,

16:05

I'm like, I started to explain and then I'm like, oh,

16:08

okay, so we gotta tell you something, but you're not allowed to

16:10

tell anyone else. Because

16:12

I had started to tell them, and then I'm like, oh, I

16:15

wasn't supposed to do that. But yeah. Yeah.

16:18

I sometimes do that. So if you ask me a question,

16:21

I will sometimes accidentally tell you a spoiler.

16:23

Uh oh, now everybody knows to go on to

16:26

the discord and ask Megan

16:28

questions.

16:29

Going back to the question about day one,

16:31

was day one, this was

16:33

like, we had some unwritten cast

16:35

people, new people we had never met.

16:38

You're still such a young podcasting company.

16:42

Was that the time where you had us write

16:44

down our favorite snacks or was that still unwritten?

16:46

That was unwritten. That was unwritten. Okay,

16:48

I can't see, I can't remember. They're all blending.

16:52

Yeah, but I do remember like, like

16:55

having brought several people that I knew into, you

16:58

know, into the production, being

17:01

that person that was kind of like, okay, meet

17:03

so-and-so, it's gonna be great.

17:05

Or pre-casting them before

17:07

they even knew that I wanted them in those

17:09

roles. Despite them still, I mean,

17:11

they auditioned and they were perfect, but

17:13

still. It was just kind of funny that everyone

17:17

fit together so well from

17:19

day one. Yeah, it

17:21

makes for a better story. Yeah,

17:23

we had quite the family with the hidden

17:25

people. It was really nice. And that's why

17:27

we don't want it to go away entirely.

17:30

So is it going away, Chris?

17:32

We'll get to that, but no, it's not. We

17:37

will get to the details about

17:39

it coming back, but trust me, it is coming back.

17:41

We are not done.

17:41

Chris likes to build up to things. We

17:44

have a little bit more time before we can actually

17:46

answer those questions, Kerry. Sorry,

17:49

I'm just so excited. You gotta know. Well,

17:52

let's talk about a couple things. So a little

17:55

bit more on the hidden people. What were your favorite episodes,

17:57

storylines, most underrated characters?

17:59

What did you like about the show? Anyway,

18:02

why don't you go? Why don't you look

18:05

at me? I guess it's hard

18:07

for me to pin, especially like

18:10

underrated characters because

18:14

I feel like maybe

18:16

it's just among the circle of people that I talk to

18:18

about the hidden people, but I don't feel like anyone's like underrated.

18:21

I feel like they're they're

18:24

justifly- justiflyably justiflyably

18:26

hyped Yes,

18:29

Chris, you can keep that in. I

18:31

think I

18:34

think

18:35

hmm

18:36

So it's a true ensemble Yeah, but like in

18:38

a way where

18:41

everyone stands out and because

18:44

I'm like, well maybe it's Alfie because

18:46

Alfie's like not

18:48

like, you know, he kind of goes through this whole thing where he's like,

18:50

I don't know if I'm useful like I don't- everyone

18:52

has all these skills but I'm like, everybody

18:54

loves Alfie, he's hilarious so I can't

18:57

say that he's like underrated

19:01

Yeah, I don't know, do you think there's an underrated? You

19:04

know, I was actually kind of thinking about an

19:06

underrated storyline that that

19:08

goes along the lines of an underrated character and that

19:10

was Nissa's mom, Sif. Oh

19:12

yeah, okay, yeah I don't know if you've ever

19:15

talked about a possible storyline for

19:17

Sif, I know you've told us I'm not letting

19:19

anything out but it was

19:21

kind of who doesn't

19:23

love a good hippie? Am I right? Everyone

19:26

loves a good hippie in a hippie

19:28

story and then Nissa's last name

19:30

being Sif's daughter you know, is a big indicator

19:34

for anyone who understands what that means and then

19:36

I know we've talked about the

19:39

storyline that she could possibly have maybe

19:41

one day or Nissa could possibly have one day

19:44

I don't know if those will ever come true, I'm not going to say them because

19:46

I don't know what details

19:47

you're giving but underrated I

19:50

would say Nissa's mom. That's

19:52

fair. That is fair. We haven't heard

19:54

from her. Did we

19:56

hear her from her in season 2? No, she

19:58

was only in season 2. That's what I thought. And

20:01

then we tried to address Nissa's dad,

20:03

right? Because there were a lot

20:06

of fan theories and questions around,

20:08

well,

20:09

maybe Nissa is super powered

20:11

because maybe who's her dad is vote

20:13

on her dad is. There were many

20:15

speculations out there around who

20:17

Nissa's dad was.

20:19

Yeah. I think

20:21

I can tell you this because I'm

20:23

fairly certain that we didn't go down this route.

20:26

But

20:27

as early as I think early season 2, there

20:29

are a lot of notes and scripts talking

20:32

about how we had the idea

20:34

that Nissa could be, if

20:36

she were a supernatural being, if

20:39

her dad were supernatural, that Nissa could be a Valkyrie.

20:42

That was a big

20:44

plot point for a while. And then I

20:46

think very rightly so we settled

20:49

on going with the much more mundane

20:51

route of,

20:53

she's special because she's great,

20:55

not because she needs magical powers to be special. Unlike

20:59

McKenna, who definitely needs magic powers to be special.

21:02

It's fine. It's

21:06

fine. She's developed

21:08

a lot in three seasons, and I'm fine with that.

21:11

Well, and speaking of, I mean, I think McKenna

21:13

is an underrated character. A lot of times

21:16

I feel like the lead

21:18

of a show sometimes, even

21:21

though they're the lead and they're the focal

21:23

point of a lot of the action and the drama and

21:25

the story arc,

21:27

people pay more attention to the side characters

21:29

because the side characters have bigger personality

21:31

in one way or another. And I

21:33

think that McKenna definitely

21:35

underrated, especially in the beginning,

21:37

right? And I know that you had a lot of work

21:39

where you were developing McKenna through

21:42

a major growth and development

21:44

over the course of three seasons. Yeah,

21:47

honestly, I was actively trying to do

21:49

that, especially in season one, but I didn't realize

21:52

how big of a difference we really got with

21:54

it over the several years that

21:56

we were recording. But

21:58

my biggest thing when we were first

21:59

or showing a recording is rehearsal is a fun

22:02

time for me, whether it's theater rehearsal or podcasting

22:04

rehearsal. I enjoy going to rehearsal.

22:07

It's something I've always enjoyed, but I had to

22:09

come to rehearsal not wanting

22:11

to be there in order to get the character right.

22:13

And I wasn't trying to be meta or

22:16

whatever you call it. Or method. Method.

22:20

But in order to keep the

22:22

excitement down, I had to tell myself, oh, I

22:25

have to go to rehearsal again. I'm so

22:27

sick of going to rehearsal. Seriously,

22:29

give me another note, Chris. And I'll stab

22:32

you. Like, it just,

22:34

you had to get that way. And it

22:36

slowly starts to break away, even in season

22:39

one. Like, I remember there was a point

22:41

where

22:44

she meets

22:46

with Shailie, and Shailie takes her to the warehouse

22:49

where Dane's at or whatever. And finally,

22:52

McKenna's vocal fry breaks a tiny

22:54

bit, and she starts to be like

22:57

nervously excited about stuff. And you

22:59

can already hear the difference in the voice. And showing

23:01

that difference

23:02

physically, which you can't see,

23:05

versus vocally, is a whole different

23:07

thing. And it breaks just a tiny bit.

23:09

And I don't know if it's too subtle

23:11

maybe for just the casual listener, but for someone

23:14

like me who has to play her, especially going

23:16

back and listening, I'm like,

23:18

fucking nailed it. I do say so yourself.

23:22

Incredible. To

23:24

be humble. Come

23:26

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24:09

Well, we talk about that stark

24:12

difference between like episode

24:15

one, season one, McKenna, and the end of

24:17

the show. What do you guys

24:19

think is like,

24:21

what parts of day one McKenna

24:23

are still there,

24:25

if any? For

24:29

me, writing her, it was always

24:31

the complete

24:34

lack of regard for authority.

24:37

Especially authority that she didn't recognize or

24:40

she felt was in some way unjust or

24:42

unwarranted. She has that from

24:44

the very beginning. She's

24:47

such a jerk even to Thomas. He's like,

24:50

our parents were killed like in a car accident.

24:53

She's so horrible to him. And

24:57

that carries through all the way. Even after

24:59

she becomes an almost completely different

25:02

person, she still just cannot

25:04

deal with authority at all.

25:07

Yeah, I agree

25:09

with that. Her stubbornness,

25:12

her also like it's like

25:14

self-confidence. We beat it out of her

25:17

a couple times throughout the season, but

25:19

she still has it. Like she's still like, I'm

25:21

going to take this on. Even if I die,

25:23

I'm going to take this on. And most of our other

25:26

characters

25:26

are not like that. That is definitely McKenna.

25:28

No, none of them are like that. There's that moment in 315,

25:31

which is the Fata Morgana

25:33

episode, where they

25:35

come upon Morgan's grave. And

25:38

it's this really big deep

25:40

hole. And they're like, wow, that's a deep hole.

25:43

And then McKenna's like, be right back. And jumps

25:45

in and Mike goes,

25:47

I was going to say, be careful.

25:49

Or what should we do? But then she just jumped right in.

25:51

And Shaylee just says, Mike, meet

25:53

McKenna. Yup. And that's just her. She's

25:56

just like, oh, look, a hole. I'm going to jump right

25:59

in it.

25:59

We

26:03

missed a great line there. We could have added that. That's

26:05

true. Yes, we should have. A

26:08

storyline I have been sitting on, and I

26:10

haven't asked you guys about this, is that

26:13

now, we have ideas of what McKenna looks like based

26:16

on my personal attributes, the attributes

26:18

that are in the script and things like that in

26:20

our discussions. However, that is

26:22

not what actual McKenna

26:25

previously named looks like.

26:27

Because in season three, we

26:29

hear, what's her

26:32

name? The Queen. Liliana.

26:35

Liliana, thank you. We hear Liliana changing her as

26:37

a baby. So what do you guys think is

26:39

the difference? Is there a big, does

26:42

she have a scar or something? What

26:44

does she actually look like or was predicted

26:47

to look like? What was she originally going to look like?

26:49

Because ultimately, Liliana had to make

26:51

her match red or

26:53

fact or the original McKenna, whatever you want to call

26:56

her. So yeah,

26:58

that's a really good question. I don't know that I really

27:00

thought that much about that, but she probably

27:02

would look like a completely different person.

27:04

Completely. And do halflings

27:06

have a certain tell? You know what

27:08

I mean? Since she is the only true 50% halfling in

27:10

generations, was there a certain tell

27:13

to be

27:15

able

27:18

to know that? Or was it just a feeling? Or did they

27:20

all have earrings? You know what I

27:23

mean? I

27:25

don't know. It's been bugging me. And I think I

27:27

had thought about it briefly, but then when it happened

27:30

in season three, I was like, oh yes, 100%. Because

27:33

Liliana didn't just make up a family and then stuff her

27:35

in there and base the family on McKenna. She

27:37

changed her daughter, whatever the name was, to

27:40

look like Mack. So

27:43

I'm curious. That's a really

27:45

good question. I don't even know. And does Mack

27:47

ever think about that? That

27:49

would be weird, right? Knowing Mack, if

27:51

it's like a blatant disregard for authority,

27:54

probably not. You know what I mean?

27:57

That was a different time. I mean, she cuts her name.

28:00

in season three. She doesn't care what she looks like.

28:02

She doesn't care what her name was. That's

28:04

true. She does really embrace

28:06

who she is. Well, and that's part of

28:08

the storyline, right? Is Red or Fac

28:11

and McKenna understanding who they truly

28:13

are as singular people, not in the box

28:16

of being

28:16

McKenna Thorne. Right, right,

28:18

yeah. And then Red ultimately deciding, no,

28:22

you were always McKenna Thorne from

28:24

the moment I was taken,

28:26

and I don't wanna be that anymore. I don't wanna

28:28

be McKenna Thorne. You can have it.

28:30

Mm-hmm, for sure. I think McKenna

28:33

spent, I mean, over

28:35

the course of the show, so much time growing

28:38

and looking at season one

28:40

McKenna, whether

28:43

she could verbalize it or not, she did

28:46

not feel like she belonged. She had no idea who she was.

28:48

She didn't know why she didn't feel connections

28:51

the way

28:51

everyone else seemed to. So I think

28:53

by the time she would have had all

28:56

the

28:57

information or even the brain space

28:59

to consider something like, what was I supposed to look

29:01

like? She was so rooted in her

29:03

own identity that she finally found that

29:06

I think

29:07

maybe that wouldn't matter to her as much like you were saying.

29:10

Yeah, I don't think it did, but I've always been curious.

29:12

But it matters to Jordan. That is really interesting.

29:15

Jordan wanna know. Well, I mean, I guess that

29:17

begs the question, what does Liliana

29:19

look like?

29:20

Right, exactly, because she probably looks

29:22

a decent amount like Liliana. I

29:25

would have looked. Yeah. I

29:27

guess maybe I haven't just thought about it that much just

29:30

because we don't have visuals really for anybody.

29:33

If this were a film, I definitely think

29:35

that

29:35

that would be something that we would have had to think about

29:38

a little bit more because even if we never showed

29:40

it, like we now know what Red looks

29:42

like and what this McKenna

29:44

looks like. So what did she originally?

29:46

But that is really interesting. Maybe

29:48

she looked like Goth McKenna. Maybe

29:51

Goth McKenna was her trying to look like herself.

29:54

I bet you though, because

29:56

we talked about how McKenna as

29:58

an adolescent just. constantly changed

30:01

and became the new popular thing every

30:03

time, she wasn't trying to be,

30:05

but because of who she was and how she was acting,

30:08

she became the new popular thing so she would change

30:10

into something else. I bet you at one time

30:13

she was very close to what she

30:15

originally looked like. So maybe

30:17

she felt comfortable in that, was in it for a

30:19

few more months and previous looks,

30:22

I don't know. It's interesting.

30:23

It is interesting. Something to consider

30:26

like a future trauma. Yeah!

30:29

God, I love a good emotional damage. I

30:32

think my favorite underrated storyline

30:35

was, and this is, I'm saying

30:38

underrated based on the fact that this has fewer

30:40

listens than some of the episodes around it, is

30:42

the episode, Asymmetry, which is

30:45

probably my favorite episode that I've written

30:47

for the whole show. That is the fact

30:49

in prison episode. So good. You're

30:52

gonna bring it up. It was such a fun

30:54

episode. I love that episode. Super,

30:57

super proud of it.

30:58

Based

31:00

on, like I said, the number of listens, I

31:02

do think that one's underrated. But

31:06

I don't know, maybe I'm just really biased, but I was really

31:08

proud of putting

31:09

that one together. I really love a good

31:11

Sideways episode too. And we hadn't heard

31:14

hardly anything from her that season,

31:16

just that visit when they switched

31:18

bodies, which was very silly.

31:21

But when she thought it was hilarious

31:24

that Alfie was in McKenna's body.

31:26

But other than that, Ken dealt with

31:28

her in quite some time and then we

31:30

popped back there. I don't know.

31:33

I really, really liked that one.

31:35

I wish we had gotten to explore a few

31:37

of Fack's things. Like

31:41

the moment that always sticks with me for Fack

31:43

is also the prison episode, but

31:45

the time where they talk about how they find

31:47

where she was sleeping and she was sleeping on the leaves

31:50

of her dogs,

31:51

her demon dogs or whatever they were called.

31:55

We don't call them dogs. Barkast. You

31:57

mean the puppies. That.

31:58

No, that makes it worse. I'm like, I'm

32:00

gonna leave puppies. We're

32:03

just talking about trauma. But

32:07

she was sleeping on their leaves and it's so

32:09

sweet. And it's like, we never get

32:11

to explore how that

32:13

hurt Fac. Or did Fac find

32:15

a puppy one day?

32:17

Think about it. Well. Did

32:19

she bring home several strays? Maybe there

32:21

were opportunities for stories with Red

32:24

in the future. Now that she is settling

32:26

into her identity and trying to figure

32:28

out who she's gonna be. I think there

32:30

are opportunities for that. I do think that

32:33

she would probably want

32:34

a dog. When Alexa, Alexa,

32:36

I don't even think that was in her treatment for

32:39

episode 203, Ferris to the Mall, which is the

32:41

episode you're talking about where it mentioned that. I don't even

32:43

think that Alexa put that in her treatment. She just put it

32:45

in the episode. We were all just reading through

32:47

the script and suddenly devastated. Like,

32:51

oh my God, that's

32:53

incredible and horrifying. And incredible.

32:56

Yeah. Oh wow. I love that

32:58

moment. It's so tragic.

32:59

Well, and if you see that one

33:01

picture that we took. So if you're on our Facebook

33:03

or on our Twitter, we have this one picture

33:06

of Jordan as Fac with her blonde hair

33:08

blowing in the wind. She's sitting at the base

33:10

of a tree with leaves surrounding her. So

33:13

it was kind of a nod to that particular scene.

33:15

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It really

33:18

was. Very cool. Well, I

33:20

think we've talked about hidden people long

33:22

enough. So are we now ready to move on

33:25

and share some of the exciting new things that are coming?

33:27

Go for it. Let's do it. Let's

33:29

do it. Okay. So what else are we working

33:32

on? I know there's a lot. Well, we

33:34

are working, as far as things

33:36

that we're working on that we have announced

33:39

and that we will be,

33:40

that we're ready to talk about right now, we

33:42

have two new shows that will be

33:44

coming out this year. A

33:47

show called Think Fast and a show called Uncanny

33:49

Valley. So that is

33:52

directly what's next for Dayton

33:54

Writers Movement.

33:57

But lest you think that we have forgotten about the

33:59

hidden people.

34:00

Trust me, we haven't. But yeah,

34:03

that's directly what's next. We'll

34:05

be releasing this summer-ish timeframe,

34:07

Think Fast, and

34:12

then sometime fall-ish timeframe

34:15

on Candy Valley. So

34:18

if you could explain Think Fast to someone

34:20

or tease them about what's to come, what

34:23

would we say Think Fast is about? Yeah,

34:25

Carrie, what do you think Think Fast is about? I

34:28

am suddenly recalling the conversation

34:30

we had before we started recording where there are

34:33

right answers to these questions. Yes, there

34:35

were pre-ordained answers.

34:37

You wrote how many episodes

34:40

of Think Fast? I don't even know. There

34:42

were so many like Franken episodes where

34:45

we kind of wrote things together, but- Wait,

34:47

you can't just recall the exact

34:50

episode and title like Chris Cannon. I am not Chris

34:52

Burnside.

34:52

I believe Carrie's name

34:54

is on four of the seven

34:57

episodes. I never would have been able to tell you that. Believes

34:59

or he knows exactly that it's four. He knows exactly, no.

35:02

But Think Fast, I would describe

35:04

it as kind of a high

35:07

school superhero drama.

35:11

I think it's

35:14

got a very, not very different,

35:16

but definitely a different feel than Hidden

35:18

People, but still

35:21

deals with, there's always Angry Women

35:24

in any DWM show. We

35:27

tackle some maybe

35:29

harder topics in some ways,

35:31

but it's also set in a high school. So

35:33

there's that to take into consideration

35:36

with the characters and

35:37

them developing, but

35:40

it's a show that's a lot of fun and

35:42

simultaneously incredibly heartbreaking. Yeah.

35:46

I can't wait. Yes. It

35:49

is a lot of fun. I mean, who doesn't like a good superhero

35:52

origin story? And it definitely has that.

35:54

And I think for women who have lived through

35:56

high school, it has a lot of

35:59

scenes.

35:59

and themes,

36:02

scenes and themes that you will recall,

36:08

especially if you have had anxiety

36:11

going to high school, which who hasn't? I mean,

36:13

every student has anxiety. So yeah,

36:16

it's a lot of fun and the

36:19

performers are a great group

36:22

of performers. They're almost all,

36:24

all of the main cast are almost all new to DWM.

36:28

But Jordan, you did have a part in that.

36:29

Do you remember what your part was? No. Of

36:32

course you don't remember. Jordan does an

36:35

announcement. That's right. In

36:37

one of the episodes. You come over the loud speaker and

36:39

give an announcement to the school. So,

36:42

so far Jordan has been in every

36:44

DWM production. We don't plan on that

36:47

stopping anytime soon.

36:48

No matter how small. Yes.

36:51

Whether she remembers or not. Listen,

36:55

we were talking about how I just kind of show

36:57

up when Chris tells me something's happening, but I feel

36:59

like

37:00

that's very much huge. Oh, a hundred percent. So

37:02

we were talking before we started about how Chris and Megan

37:04

will email me. I don't see those emails. I

37:07

have no idea what's going on. They

37:09

text me separately a day ahead of time or two and

37:11

that's all I need. Or I get the occasional text, Hey, we just

37:14

emailed you.

37:14

Yeah. Thank

37:18

you. And I'll, I require a reminder text

37:20

also. Yeah. Yeah,

37:23

that might happen. That might happen. I think that's a pretty good

37:25

description of Think Fast though. High school

37:27

superhero drama.

37:29

I'd say it's probably like equal parts on

37:34

the like more fun high

37:36

school superhero side and

37:38

then the kind of darker

37:40

underbelly of what that looks like. Yeah.

37:43

Which might not be necessarily apparent right away, but

37:46

this show is gonna have a

37:48

much shorter season than The

37:50

Hidden People. That's why we're putting out multiple shows this year.

37:53

So it will get to all

37:55

of the big, you

37:57

know, plot developments and surprises

37:59

and twists.

37:59

and everything much sooner than, for example,

38:02

the hidden people did, which we were like, oh, how

38:04

long can we hold this one reveal? Oh,

38:06

maybe 66 episodes. Yeah, let's do that.

38:08

By the end of episode one,

38:10

you will start to understand. Yes, yes,

38:12

yes, you will. It moves a lot faster

38:14

in that way than some of our other work. I

38:17

think in the same kind of vein

38:20

comparing to the hidden people in a

38:22

sense, I guess, for people who are

38:24

fans of the hidden people and trying to orient themselves

38:26

in these new shows, some of the

38:28

things that I think

38:30

people really enjoy that they got from the hidden

38:32

people that they could also get and think fast

38:35

is really like the, I

38:37

can never say this word, the camaraderie, like

38:39

the friendship element. It's obviously

38:42

they're different characters, but there's

38:45

a lot of

38:46

just funny, genuine moments

38:49

between the characters where you do just kind of get

38:51

to see them being friends. And I think amidst

38:54

all the chaos and the hidden people, there's also

38:57

some of that that I think people latch onto

38:59

with those characters.

39:02

It looked like it hurt for you to say camaraderie. It

39:04

did, it did. I'm

39:07

drinking caffeine mostly so I can try to have

39:09

a personality, but also to help me pronounce

39:11

words.

39:12

I

39:14

didn't know it worked like that, but that's

39:16

awesome. It's wishful thinking. Yeah,

39:19

think fast. Excellent, excellent. Think fast,

39:22

talk slow. And then our

39:24

other show on Kenny Valley, so

39:26

you said that we're launching it in the fall, hopefully around

39:29

Halloween time. Do you want to give

39:31

a hint on what on Kenny Valley

39:33

might be about?

39:33

Well, on Kenny Valley is what we

39:35

were calling isolationist horror.

39:38

It is a horror story that

39:41

is set in Alaska.

39:42

So it's all about being isolated

39:45

from the bulk of society only

39:47

with a small number of people around. And

39:51

the impetus for this show stems

39:54

from this idea I heard before

39:56

that,

39:58

so if you don't know what the uncanny valley is,

39:59

principle is or concept.

40:02

It's when you see something that's pretending

40:04

to be a person but isn't and it unnerves

40:06

you. Like you watch a digital

40:08

character in a film or something and

40:10

it's like it looks like

40:12

a person but there are just some small differences

40:15

where you could tell it's not a real person and it's just like

40:17

it's very unsettling. One of the

40:19

examples was like the polar

40:22

express characters that you know probably

40:24

a lot of people have seen that if you've been sort of

40:26

unsettled by how real and not real

40:28

those animations look.

40:29

Yeah and this is like

40:32

people apply this to like robots and stuff

40:34

like if it really advanced robots

40:36

were a thing that that looked like people but

40:38

weren't you'd be able to

40:40

feel it it would feel creepy in some

40:42

way and

40:44

I read this thing that said that if

40:46

humans are upset and unnerved

40:49

and creeped out by things

40:52

that aren't human but that pretend to be then

40:54

that means that at some point in our history and

40:56

our evolution we had to fear

40:59

things that pretended to be people

41:02

which to me was a really scary concept.

41:04

That's so creepy and

41:07

so that is why the show is called Uncanny

41:09

Valley and because

41:11

it deals with that concept

41:13

and it is I think it's a really

41:16

different kind of story for us but

41:19

it is also a tight

41:21

contained season a

41:23

shorter season than like what the hidden people would do. It has

41:26

I think some like I said there's some unique

41:28

characters and different things that we haven't really done before

41:31

so it's taking some of our storytelling in new directions

41:33

trying to be

41:35

more of a horror thriller

41:38

than I think a lot of our other stuff has been so far.

41:40

Yeah definitely more on the darker spookier

41:42

just different

41:46

different content I guess different

41:48

a different vibe but still I

41:50

I like Uncanny Valley a lot. Jordan

41:53

was also in Uncanny Valley. Do you

41:56

remember your part? Yeah it's a little bit bigger.

41:59

too. Just a little. Yeah, I remember that.

42:02

I was there. Another

42:07

one where we're like, hey Jordan, do you want to be on the show? Yeah,

42:09

cool. Alright, here's your character. Okay.

42:12

Good, because we already wrote the whole season

42:15

with you in mind as this character.

42:18

What if I ever do something one day where I

42:20

can't? I'll never do that. I

42:23

just wait at my phone for someone to text me

42:25

about DWM projects.

42:28

But

42:31

there's still an angry or angry women

42:33

in this show. So if you like that,

42:35

if you like DWM, you will like this show.

42:37

That's true. That's I think our like

42:39

most consistent attribute. Yeah. Angry

42:42

women. Angry women. Well,

42:44

and a lot of the characters or their

42:46

voices will sound very familiar. That's true.

42:49

So if you have a favorite, me,

42:51

you will hear. Not

42:55

just me, but some of our favorite people.

42:57

That's true. You'll recognize a lot of the names

42:59

in the cast. Whether you will recognize their voices

43:01

depends on like how closely

43:03

you're listening because some of them are using some very

43:06

different voices than you're used to.

43:07

Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

43:10

I don't want to give away too much.

43:12

Yeah, don't. Yeah, but we'll

43:15

be making that one's coming a little later. So

43:17

we'll be talking more about that one as we get closer.

43:20

But

43:21

yeah, you'll definitely recognize a lot of the names.

43:24

Now, is there another reason that

43:26

our listeners should listen to these shows? Yes.

43:31

So yeah, you might be sitting here

43:33

going like, okay, I just like the hidden people.

43:35

Why do I need to listen to these other shows?

43:39

Imagine that it's,

43:42

I don't know when this movie came out, but imagine

43:44

it's like a decade ago

43:46

and around there and

43:48

someone says to you, hey,

43:52

I really like Iron Man,

43:54

the movie.

43:56

Do I need to watch like Thor?

44:00

and The Hulk and Captain

44:02

America. And

44:05

now, if you look back, I think you'll realize,

44:08

yeah, you kinda need to watch all of those

44:10

movies because they all

44:12

become really important shortly after

44:15

that. It's kinda

44:17

like that. So if you are

44:19

a fan of the hidden people

44:21

and you are going to then, of

44:23

course, tune in when hidden people

44:26

returns, which

44:29

will be happening in 2024, you

44:33

are going to, not just want, but

44:36

kind of need to know what's going

44:38

on in the other shows that

44:40

are all part of this. Because

44:43

when

44:44

you get to that next

44:46

season, the hidden people, you

44:48

will, there will be a lot of things that

44:50

you will be missing if you did not listen

44:53

to those other shows and you will not

44:55

be getting every bit of what's going

44:58

on. Because

45:00

when hidden people comes back, it's not

45:02

just gonna be hidden people season four, it's

45:05

going to be what we're calling hidden people Ragnarok.

45:08

And that is our big

45:11

return of the show. But

45:14

it's almost, if you, once

45:17

you get to that point, you will look back

45:19

on the shows that come out this year and next year

45:22

prior to hidden people Ragnarok

45:24

and you will realize that you were listening to the hidden people

45:26

the whole time in some ways. Yes,

45:30

so don't go away. Like whatever

45:32

you're thinking. Yeah, if you're

45:34

like, I don't know about high school superheroes

45:36

or I don't know about isolationist horror, trust

45:39

me. If you're gonna come back for hidden people

45:41

Ragnarok, you are

45:43

definitely going to want to listen to those

45:45

shows beforehand. Do we want them if they don't

45:47

listen to those? We

45:50

do. We do, but

45:54

are you a real fan of them? I'll respect for you personally,

45:56

we'll be lower. I think after

45:58

two episodes of hidden people.

45:59

Ragnarok if you have not listened

46:02

to Think Fast Uncanny Valley and

46:04

another show that we're we haven't really talked much

46:06

about yet um

46:08

you will be going back and listening to those

46:10

before you finish Hidden People Ragnarok I have

46:12

a feeling so do yourself a favor and

46:14

don't give yourself three shows to

46:17

binge listen through when

46:20

in 2024

46:21

just keep up with us as shows

46:23

come out yes or we'll find

46:25

you uh don't say Jordan my I will not be finding

46:27

you I will be going to bed

46:38

so let's give the audience a little

46:40

hint about the end

46:43

uh so season four uh so

46:45

at the very end of season three we

46:47

did have a little stinger yes

46:50

and did that give us a hint as to what is to

46:52

come in season four

46:54

yes so um i'm

46:58

gonna i'm gonna reveal a secret here

47:00

that

47:01

you can't get anywhere else because i double

47:04

checked this the stinger is actually

47:06

um and maybe we'll end up fixing this

47:08

once megan realizes that the stinger is not actually

47:10

in the transcript for uh

47:13

episode 22 of season three destiny

47:15

man manifest it's not the stinger

47:17

is not in that transcript so you can't

47:20

read this but i'm gonna tell you a secret so

47:22

if you haven't listened to this by the way go listen

47:25

right now check out after

47:27

the credits of

47:29

the last episode that we released

47:31

destiny may manifest you will hear

47:34

this stinger scene which

47:36

is black anise returning to arcadia

47:38

now that arcadia is

47:40

seemingly empty and

47:42

kind of wandering around with the dolls uh

47:44

and talking to them about how maybe she should

47:47

move back to arcadia because now no one's there

47:49

to be a jerk to her uh but

47:51

then

47:53

she hears the same roaring

47:55

thing that mckenna and

47:57

red had heard in the previous episode

48:00

cut the cord and is like,

48:03

oh that's not necessarily a great

48:05

sound. And then right after that the

48:08

dead rise from the ground

48:10

all around her. So like

48:13

corpses are pulling themselves out

48:15

of the ground and calling her name. And

48:18

as she prepares to defend herself, they

48:20

keep saying her name and then they say Black Annis come

48:23

with us, Hela Waits.

48:26

And the secret that you would only

48:28

know if you read the script is that

48:31

hell is spelled with one L. And

48:34

if you don't know what that means then you'll have to go look it up. But

48:36

some of you will definitely know what that means. Yeah

48:41

so that's that's the big I guess

48:45

tease of what's coming next.

48:47

Well between Hela Waits and the fact

48:50

that we're calling season four the hidden

48:52

people right, Narak? Yeah and

48:55

if you listen right after the

48:57

it says Hela Waits there is also

48:59

this

49:02

there's a sound effect as well that

49:04

you can kind of hear in the background that also relates

49:06

to all of this. So if you're up on your Norse mythology

49:09

there are some clues in there.

49:13

It's time to read a book. Kerry

49:17

says having no idea what any of this

49:20

means.

49:21

I don't care for the Dr. Pepper

49:23

and good time. Chris

49:26

do you want to explain how many people have actually read that part of

49:28

the script? Because it wasn't the majority of

49:30

us.

49:30

No, none of you. Me

49:33

who wrote it, Megan and

49:36

Daniel Gunther who plays Black Annis. Those

49:39

are the only people who were given those pages

49:42

at all.

49:43

So yeah no one who recorded

49:45

that episode when we did the whole huge

49:47

day where we recorded that finale and everyone who worked

49:50

really long hours that day.

49:53

None of them even saw that those

49:55

pages in fact. Yeah we had her come

49:57

in a separate day. Yes. To record

49:59

it.

49:59

Yes, it wasn't necessarily intentionally keeping

50:02

it secret, but

50:03

I had I knew what it was

50:05

gonna be But I hadn't actually written it all

50:08

so we knew that we would just do it

50:10

on a separate day anyway And that's what ended up

50:12

happening.

50:13

Yeah, it was super secret. We all heard it on

50:15

the live listening Would

50:17

we use twitch? Yeah twitch? Yeah,

50:20

we had a live listening event on twitch,

50:22

which was awesome I hope we continue to

50:24

do it through that platform and we all

50:26

got to hear the post-credit stinger and it was

50:29

Quite the surprise for all of us We

50:32

were we couldn't believe it. I'm

50:34

not surprised you guys didn't keep a secret. I'm

50:36

surprised

50:38

Danny did I Thought

50:41

we were friends Doing

50:50

some ADR actually,

50:51

okay. Okay. Yeah, cool.

50:54

Obviously we're not friends either But

50:59

yeah So that was that was a little tease

51:01

if you did listen that far that might have clued

51:04

you in that like oh wait Maybe this isn't over yet

51:06

because I think you could listen to the end of the episode

51:09

proper before the credits and think like oh Maybe this

51:11

is the end. Maybe the hidden people is over But

51:14

obviously that stinger is implying that there's something

51:16

more coming But even like and you mentioned

51:18

this earlier Megan even the end of the

51:21

episode proper ends The last

51:23

line of it is McKenna saying it's

51:25

an even scarier

51:26

story than the one you just heard What

51:29

happened next? And then the last

51:31

line is her saying even though we were

51:34

sure he couldn't have survived we had we

51:36

had to

51:37

Check to see what happened to Alfie.

51:39

Mm-hmm and so

51:42

so aunt Shaley

51:45

Called a bloke who knows a bloke who knows

51:47

a shaman druid well

51:50

druid was I believe the first one I thought the druid

51:52

also made another no there so the druid

51:54

has been mentioned before and this one it was

51:57

a shaman Because the druid is who

51:59

they called for

51:59

to go into brain. Yeah, to go into

52:03

Alfie's brain and then eventually McKenna's brain.

52:06

But no, this was a shaman. But regardless, clearly

52:10

setting up the notion that there's a whole story to tell

52:12

afterward and it's an even scarier story.

52:16

Dun, dun, dun! Creepy. Yeah,

52:18

so their

52:20

names aren't actually said in the episode, but

52:24

Thomas and Sam's grandchildren are

52:26

Inga and Adam. And

52:29

Inga and Adam are in for a new story

52:32

that's even scarier. We

52:36

haven't scared off anyone yet. Now,

52:38

now is the time. I think we first

52:40

got, we got a huge amount of listeners

52:42

that came in because we were listed

52:45

on the top eerie podcasts

52:47

years ago. So they were the ones that

52:49

liked that scary. So we are coming back

52:51

for you.

52:52

I think the real question is why are they still telling

52:54

the story to these small children? That's

52:57

true, poor kids. And we used

52:59

real kids too. I mean. McKenna's

53:02

like, oh wow, like you told them that

53:04

story? Like they're little. And then

53:07

not two minutes later, she's like, all right, I'm gonna tell you

53:10

an even scarier story.

53:12

And the performers

53:14

that played those characters are very young. They

53:17

were, yeah. They are very exciting. Well, especially

53:20

the little young actor who played Adam

53:23

was quite young at the time of recording. He

53:25

was

53:26

three? When

53:29

he recorded it? Four? I think he would

53:31

have been four. He was quite young. Yeah. His

53:33

voice has dropped since. I mean,

53:35

this was years ago. I don't know that it's quite dropped,

53:38

but. Yeah,

53:41

that was something. So clearly,

53:43

even as of the episode that you've

53:46

heard, we're

53:47

setting up more. And that's

53:49

why we're telling you right now,

53:51

just a little bit more about what

53:53

we're setting up and that the hidden people was absolutely

53:56

coming back and that everything we

53:58

make and release between.

53:59

now and when the hidden people comes back you

54:03

should kind of assume in parentheses

54:06

that all of those shows have the hidden people after

54:08

them in some way because while they don't have McKenna

54:11

in them they don't have Thomas in them they

54:14

are

54:15

about this

54:17

larger story. So Think

54:20

Fast Uncanny Valley are both gonna

54:22

be released this

54:24

year. Be sure to

54:27

follow us on Facebook we

54:29

have the hidden people Facebook fan page

54:32

and we've been doing some

54:34

newsletters to keep everyone up to date

54:36

and we'll continue to provide updates as

54:38

we get closer to releasing these

54:41

new shows. Think Fast we are

54:44

planning to get into a feed here really soon

54:46

so that we can have so you can sign up

54:48

and subscribe to that feed we will make

54:51

that announcement on Facebook

54:54

and Twitter and on our discord if you haven't

54:58

you can find links to our discord on

55:00

Twitter on patreon and

55:02

various places like that so you can hop

55:04

on the discord as well to kind

55:07

of

55:07

keep up to date with our info

55:09

and it also if you ever have questions

55:12

or anything like that someone

55:15

someone will answer them I will answer them Katie

55:17

will answer them will Chris's phone number

55:19

is Jordan and make her go

55:21

on and answer them.

55:23

Pretty much all the cast

55:25

the writers the

55:28

I don't know if you'd call him crew

55:30

for a podcast but almost

55:32

everyone's on there so if you have a question for somebody

55:35

you're probably gonna be able to get it answered. Yeah

55:38

yeah so hit us up if you if you're

55:40

curious about anything between now

55:42

and the release of the next the

55:44

next projects.

55:45

Do we plan on releasing

55:47

teasers on the hidden people feed to guide

55:50

everybody yes so that is one other

55:52

thing even if you're not following us in other places

55:55

we will be making notifications

55:57

and probably releasing the first episode

55:59

of the the new shows on the Hidden People feed. So

56:02

you will be at the

56:04

very least reminded there.

56:06

So if you're subscribed to the Hidden People, you will be

56:08

reminded of the new show there and then you can go and check

56:10

it out on its own feed

56:13

after listening to the first episode there. So yeah,

56:15

that's actually a really good point. Cool.

56:17

And if you're not subscribed to the Hidden People, how

56:20

are you here? Why are you listening?

56:23

If this is your first episode, you fucked up.

56:26

If you

56:26

unsubscribed to the Hidden People

56:29

because you thought it was over, you might wanna reuse

56:31

some, sorry, I'm just saying, no,

56:33

it's not over.

56:34

We will find you. Just

56:37

kidding. I don't know how to do that. That went

56:40

very Liam Neeson, very

56:41

creepy. Yeah. Jordan

56:43

has a very particular sub skill. Whatever. Yes. And

56:46

accents are not in that skill set. Nope. The

56:49

fact that I thought of that joke and then was like, I'm not

56:51

gonna say that. Don't worry.

56:53

But then you did it, I'm so glad. I got you

56:55

covered.

56:57

Well, listen, I always

56:59

admit my faults loudly. And

57:02

accents are a big part of that. Therefore,

57:05

part of my personality and that's fine.

57:08

I can do what is lovingly called

57:10

the millennial accent

57:12

by a lovely reviewer. And

57:15

I don't know, some time, oh,

57:17

the one time I had to rerecord fact because I went

57:20

too low for

57:21

some reason. Yeah, you did. You

57:24

were like- No one caught a day of. You were

57:26

like, I'm gonna channel this deep

57:29

voice. And we're like, that's interesting.

57:31

And then I played it for you. I'm like, I

57:34

don't know if this really matches Jordan. And

57:36

you're like, what? I

57:39

did the whole thing. And then I played you and

57:41

you're like, turn it off. Turn it off.

57:43

Turn it off. I'm doing it all over again.

57:46

That kind of got a bit of a cool. Yeah.

57:50

You wouldn't even let me play like 10 seconds. No.

57:52

You heard three seconds. You're like, yep, done. I

57:55

don't know what I was doing. You know, it's

57:57

funny, finally, by season three, I was able to do.

58:00

both Fac and Mac in the same

58:02

scenes as opposed to recording them

58:04

separately. Finally,

58:06

so we can't end hidden people simply

58:08

because of that Fac. It finally figured it out. You have

58:11

to use that new skill set some more.

58:12

Yeah, episode 21 was really

58:14

impressive with you just like, because

58:17

half of the episode is just you playing both characters.

58:19

And you just back and forth it the whole time. Yeah, there's,

58:22

I, you know, me, I'll listen to anything and

58:24

I'll go, fuck, why did I say that? That

58:26

was really stupid. So there's

58:29

one or two lines in there. I'm like, I'm not sure who

58:31

was supposed to say that.

58:32

Well,

58:37

you know, whatever. They're created to be

58:39

the same, quote unquote

58:41

person. So. And in fact,

58:43

is becoming less,

58:45

you know, like a fetch. So

58:49

it makes sense that they would almost sound

58:51

and act a little bit more similar by the end.

58:54

Exactly. And then as well,

58:57

hopefully our listeners know Fac is the only thing that's

58:59

aging, right? Or well, I

59:01

guess not the only person aging, but of Mac

59:04

and her, she is aging. Yep. That's

59:07

true. So that will play on the voice, I

59:09

think in the future, depending on how long everything goes.

59:11

So we'll see. Yeah, I mean, that's true

59:13

in the future. I never thought about that. In the future.

59:15

Oh really? Well, in the future, when McKenna

59:18

and Shailie are talking to, to Lee.

59:20

Yeah. And she

59:23

says, have you seen your aunt Red?

59:26

And he says, not in the last year. And

59:28

McKenna says, well, she's, you know, she went off the

59:30

grid and we can't find her. She's

59:33

like

59:34

in her sixties. I know that's why I never

59:36

thought about that. And McKenna's standing there

59:38

looking 28 still. That's

59:41

crazy. Yeah, it was 28 when we did this. Yeah,

59:43

because even, because even Lee was

59:45

like, they're younger than me now. Yeah.

59:48

Like, or at least they look younger than me now. Cause he's in his

59:50

thirties at that point.

59:53

So yeah, like Red is, I think like

59:56

probably 60 or 65 at that point.

59:59

So yeah, they, They would definitely not look

1:00:01

the same anymore. Interesting.

1:00:04

Look, sound. She's probably grown. I

1:00:07

imagine if she went off the grid, it's because she's on some

1:00:09

animal sanctuary in

1:00:11

the middle of the Appalachian.

1:00:12

With all of her new puppies?

1:00:15

All her puppies and cows. I've always

1:00:17

wanted a cow. I

1:00:19

like how this turned into you very quickly. Back

1:00:22

and I are so similar. It is scary.

1:00:26

So now we know what Jordan wants to do with her life, where

1:00:28

she wants to be with you. I'm not sure about

1:00:31

that, but cow. Cow. There's cow. Lots

1:00:33

of puppies. Well, I think what this

1:00:35

is all saying is that there's a lot more story left,

1:00:37

not just for McKenna, but also for Red. Red

1:00:40

has a lot more story out of her, too. And

1:00:42

we do realize that over here. So that's

1:00:45

also something that we have not forgotten.

1:00:47

We love Red. Yes. We really do.

1:00:50

So thank you for listening

1:00:53

to us be ridiculous

1:00:55

today. And

1:00:58

thank you for listening to 66 episodes

1:01:00

of The Hidden People,

1:01:03

possibly some of the bonus material as well.

1:01:06

We have, like I said, a lot more

1:01:09

material coming for you, a lot more

1:01:12

story with these new shows, and then when

1:01:14

The Hidden People returns. And when

1:01:16

it does, it's going to be, I mean, if you thought

1:01:19

it was big already, if you thought season three

1:01:21

was epic, that is nothing

1:01:24

like what

1:01:26

Hidden People Ragnarok will be, which

1:01:29

is off the scale in terms of

1:01:32

giant epic things that we've done. It's

1:01:36

kind of beyond, well beyond

1:01:38

any of the other stuff. So stay

1:01:41

tuned. Keep following.

1:01:43

Keep subscribed because we have so

1:01:46

much more coming.

1:01:48

Dun, dun, dun. Did we

1:01:50

keep a timeline? Yeah.

1:01:54

Summer. Summer will be the next. That will

1:01:56

be coming. Think fast this summer. This

1:01:59

summer.

1:01:59

Oh, Ragnarok. Oh, Ragnarok. We're

1:02:02

just saying 24. We don't know

1:02:04

exactly when in 2024 will be coming out

1:02:06

because we have a few things coming in between.

1:02:08

There will be multiple shows. I

1:02:10

think three shows releasing in 2024 as well.

1:02:13

In addition to the two more

1:02:15

that are still coming this year. So we have a lot

1:02:18

more stuff coming. But

1:02:20

yeah, it will be 2024. Cool.

1:02:24

Awesome. Thank you, everybody. Thank

1:02:26

you. Thanks for listening to us ramble.

1:02:29

Bloody gurgles. You had two didn't you? Yeah, I

1:02:31

did.

1:02:36

That's the things I deal with. I

1:02:38

think we should call this Guess Again, motherfuckers.

1:02:44

Don't you think people then would listen? I mean... The

1:02:47

hidden people's over. Guess Again, motherfuckers.

1:02:51

People Who Knew Me think I'm dead. An

1:02:53

original drama starring Rosamund

1:02:55

Pike and Hugh Laurie. Dear

1:02:58

Emily, I had to write. I

1:03:01

might be dying, is he? A story about

1:03:03

lies and love in the face of death. Emmy,

1:03:06

I remember how much of a coward you are. How

1:03:08

you used a terrorist attack to run away

1:03:10

from your mess and fake your own death.

1:03:12

I'm the only one who knows the truth. People

1:03:15

Who Knew Me, a ten-part series.

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Listen wherever you get your podcasts.

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Anna Sheridan, New York Times

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bestselling author of, you

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guessed it, supernatural horror.

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Missing for nearly six months now.

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About the coldest case I've ever seen.

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Well I guess the only way out is through.

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One more cave, Sheridan.

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It won't kill you. Probably. Given

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the circumstances of her disappearance

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and the subject matter of her

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work, someone with a more vivid imagination

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might decide she'd pierce the

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veil, so to speak. Are you

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still recording? Always.

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Why? What I do have, the

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only thing

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I have, are the... the tapes.

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Neither of us are going to be here forever, Maria.

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And I've spent enough time dealing with ghosts

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to know that the marks of our passage last far

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longer than we do. There's

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no place for ghost stories and close encounters

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in this investigation or

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any other. The Sheridan

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Tapes. A weekly horror podcast

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from Homestead

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on the Corner.