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really do Hey

1:02

Hey, all you cool cats and kittens

1:04

from the sunshine state I'm Greg Carlwood

1:07

and while we might spend a lot

1:09

of time talking about the conspiratorial threads

1:11

We see from false flags and pandemics

1:13

to climate change policies in the seating

1:15

of a fake alien invasion We

1:17

don't spend a lot of time talking about how

1:19

frustrating and isolating It can be

1:22

when we're the only ones within our families

1:24

and friend groups to see or care about

1:26

these things It affects

1:28

some more than others But the

1:30

majority of people have been conditioned

1:32

to see us as illogical crazy

1:34

unhinged and even a potential threat

1:37

Cove it showed just how easy it is for

1:39

the big machine to break Long-standing bonds

1:41

and the ever-increasing string of highly

1:43

charged events We've been served up

1:45

sense is eroding whatever's left

1:47

for many people What should

1:50

be private medical decisions and personal political

1:52

opinions are now the first boxes Some

1:54

people want to make sure they can

1:56

check off on some made-up compatibility checklist

2:00

Society seems to be splitting down

2:02

these lines, and many conspiracy-minded folks fear

2:04

being stuck on the outside of everything.

2:07

Not to mention the material itself can

2:09

take its own mental toll, and the

2:11

associations between the big R rabbit hole

2:13

and the feelings of hopelessness, depression, and

2:15

paranoia have been seen many times before.

2:18

So today we're airing our Festivus

2:21

grievances, talking it out, and breathing

2:23

a cathartic collective sigh of relief

2:25

with John Kirwin, the author of

2:27

The Conspiracy Theorist's Survival Guide, a

2:29

guidebook for persecuted truthers who

2:31

knows the pitfalls of walking the path less

2:33

traveled as well as anyone. John

2:36

was a long-time day trader as well

2:38

as being a worship leader and pastor

2:40

for decades, but because of his commitment

2:42

to conspiratorial truths, he has paid a

2:44

heavy price. Although instead

2:46

of giving up, he has transmuted tragedy

2:48

into opportunity with his new book, the

2:51

material on his website, wakeuperorelse.com, and conversations

2:53

like the one we're going to have

2:55

today, so let's do it. The

2:58

Conspiracy Counselor, Truth-er Therapist, and Shoulder

3:00

to Cry On for the Newly

3:02

Segregated This Holiday Season. John, my

3:04

man, welcome to the higher side.

3:08

Wow, that's got to be the greatest

3:10

intro I've ever gotten. That is spectacular.

3:13

Thank you. Ah, too kind, too kind. I

3:16

try. So you reached out

3:18

with a copy of your book, which I

3:20

appreciate, and I told you that the Christian

3:22

framing isn't exactly my bag, but then I

3:25

heard you on several previous interviews and got

3:27

into the book a bit, and

3:29

you do cover an area that

3:31

is often neglected, which is the

3:33

social consequences of being conspiracy-minded. And

3:36

we're getting into the holidays. We're probably getting

3:39

into gatherings where we might feel like the

3:41

black sheep or the odd man out, and

3:43

I thought it might be helpful for some people

3:46

to at least feel like they aren't alone and

3:48

know that others feel their same pain

3:50

or have similar situations. So

3:53

these things kind of pushed me over the threshold,

3:55

and here we are. And

3:57

let's start with your own awakening, which I

3:59

understand came from when you realize

4:01

the Federal Reserve isn't exactly federal.

4:03

Is that right? That

4:06

is correct. It was back in 2017. I

4:10

remember I was thinking of voting for John

4:12

McCain. When I

4:14

look back on it now, it

4:17

is so embarrassing because when

4:19

you're in normie, your brain is shut off. You

4:21

don't have a grid for

4:24

wanting to know. So you're just doing

4:26

life. What

4:28

happens though with a lot of us, because

4:30

the matrix as we call it is

4:34

a physical construct, but it's also a

4:36

metaphysical construct. So there's this

4:38

aspect of it that's like, whoo, it's

4:40

like a theory. It's like

4:43

a bewitchment. And

4:46

somehow there's an awakening going on.

4:49

The Great Awakening is definitely happening. I

4:51

mean, there's masses of people are just,

4:54

well, it's raining redfills. It's kind of

4:56

our nonsense. It's

4:59

raining redfills, man. The normies must be

5:01

tribulating. Anyway, I get this tap on

5:03

the shoulder from the Holy Spirit. I'm

5:06

just like doing life. And all of

5:08

a sudden I notice, hey,

5:11

the Federal Reserve isn't federal. I

5:14

realized it's a white building in Washington

5:16

and it's called the Federal Reserve. Federal

5:19

Express is not federal. But

5:22

then I found out because I'm in the financial

5:24

markets that it's a private bank in Puerto Rico

5:27

and blah, blah, blah. And

5:29

I go, wait a minute.

5:32

As you do. I'm like, obviously

5:35

these congressmen and senators know.

5:38

And it's just like it dawns on

5:40

you that the whole system is lying

5:43

through their teeth. But

5:45

this is the real punchline right

5:47

here. And many of your subscribers

5:49

will relate to this. When

5:52

you have that first experience, this is your

5:54

entry into the rabbit hole, you

5:56

then ask yourself, well, if

5:58

that's not true, what? What else isn't true? Right?

6:02

Absolutely. Down you go. Right.

6:05

And so this path, in

6:08

your case, has taken you all the

6:10

way to the flat earth and everything

6:12

in between, right? Let

6:14

me give you my bio. I always like to

6:16

do this just to set the record straight. Sure.

6:19

After the Federal Reserve, I think the next thing I

6:21

looked at was the moon landing, because what happens is,

6:25

once you see, you start

6:27

to see. Because the filters come

6:29

off. It has to do with a lot of things,

6:31

but one of them is the

6:33

Reticular Activation Center. That's a part

6:35

of your brain that filters out

6:37

things that are inconsistent with your paradigm.

6:39

So for instance, if you decide

6:41

you're going to buy a Honda Accord, all

6:44

of a sudden you're driving around now,

6:46

everywhere you look there's Honda Accords. They

6:48

come into your consciousness now where before

6:50

they were filtered out. So a

6:52

lot of normies, if I can use

6:54

that term lovingly, they

6:58

have this filter where they're

7:00

part of a tribe, they're normies.

7:03

The central characteristic of a normie is

7:05

they don't know and they don't want

7:08

to know. That's

7:10

their filter. Well,

7:13

I started to know and then I started

7:15

to look. And so once you start turning

7:17

over rocks, everything's a

7:19

conspiracy. So the moon landing was easy.

7:22

9-11 was next. I was on

7:24

9-11 for about a year. Because that's

7:26

a seminal one for a lot of people. If

7:29

you can get past 9-11 and still think

7:31

the Building 7, I mean, you

7:34

got the 2000 architects for a 9-11 truth.

7:36

How do you get by that? It's true.

7:39

They like wrote affidavits. They're like, dude,

7:41

I build these things and I knock

7:43

them down, okay? Building 7 came down

7:45

with a controlled down list. Period. I'm

7:48

like, I believe you. Yeah? And

7:51

you start to look, at least for me, 9-11 was

7:54

very important. And

7:56

I started to look into the

7:58

concept of a false flag. realize, oh

8:00

my God, most major conflicts

8:02

involved a false flag at

8:04

the start. Like the general

8:07

structure of a false flag is

8:09

really relatively common when it comes

8:11

to machinations of the

8:13

big machine, moves on the global chessboard

8:16

and getting that into wars or starting

8:18

conflicts. So you just put it into

8:20

that continuum and you're like, oh, 9-11 is not this

8:23

one-off crazy event. You just put

8:25

it in the proper context and

8:28

it's what you should expect a lot of

8:31

the times. Yeah. The Lucy's

8:33

have been very good at painting

8:35

this picture of America,

8:37

the beautiful, and how things like

8:39

that wouldn't happen in modernity. False

8:42

slides, you know, forget about

8:44

project Norwoods and the Gulf of Tonkin

8:46

and all of these things that are

8:48

declassified, but it just starts

8:50

picking up steam from there after 9-11. No,

8:54

it was 9-11 was the next thing. Then it was

8:56

the moon landing. Moon landing at that point took me

8:58

like five minutes, which really

9:01

boggles the mind because you're like, uh,

9:04

it took me 50 years to find out the

9:06

moon landing was safe. So then

9:09

once you find out the moon landing is safe,

9:11

flat earth is easy because the whole resistance to

9:13

flat earth is how big it is.

9:16

And people have that pre-Auri argument or a

9:18

pure argument. I forget how you

9:20

say that, but it's like you come to

9:22

the table. Convinced there's no way the earth

9:25

could be flat because all

9:27

the governments and the media and all

9:29

the people would have to be involved in

9:31

government. Can't keep secret. Yes, they can. They

9:35

sure can. And they are only supposedly 536

9:37

people have gone to space or whatever. Anyway,

9:44

so underground bases, reptilian shape

9:46

shifters, the transpocalypse is probably the

9:48

biggest gut punch when you realize

9:50

most of the people that you

9:53

see on the TV, the movies,

9:55

the media, the government are

9:57

the opposite. The guys, the woman.

10:00

the woman's a guy. On that one,

10:02

what did it for me there was I saw,

10:05

what's her name? I can't remember her name.

10:07

She was Playboy Centerfold. I

10:09

didn't actually see her. I just saw her on the

10:11

cover. Right. She

10:14

was a guy. No, I was doing a research and

10:16

I came across the fact that this was the first

10:19

male Playboy model. So

10:21

she, her Wikipedia thing said she

10:23

was born a guy. Playboy's

10:26

telling me she was a guy. So I'm like, okay,

10:28

she's a guy. Well, this individual

10:31

was as beautiful as any woman

10:33

I've ever looked at. Okay.

10:36

What that did was it created a template

10:38

for me where I was

10:40

then able to accept because your mind

10:42

doesn't want to accept, you know, like

10:45

the really beautiful movie stars

10:47

and singers could be a

10:50

male. Right. Because they're

10:52

so beautiful. Your mind refused

10:54

to accept it. Well, once I saw that

10:56

she was a male and I

10:58

was pretty strongly convinced she was a male, the

11:01

filter came off. Right. And

11:04

once you know the anatomical clues, like the

11:06

shape of the man said versus the woman's

11:08

head and the size of it, the

11:10

slope of the shoulders, the ring fingers longer than

11:12

the women, all of these

11:15

anatomical clues are easy to see.

11:18

And you start going like, oh,

11:20

not her. You know, I mean,

11:22

you David, they're all guys. Apparently

11:25

this woman, I was just wanting to get

11:27

the name, Kossi, C O

11:29

S S E Y, is her last name. She

11:31

was featured in Playboy in 1981 and she

11:33

actually was outed against her will. So

11:39

this was not supposed to be public knowledge. And

11:41

then once she was outed, she reappeared in the

11:44

magazine in 1991. So

11:46

that might surprise some people that

11:49

it goes back that far. And

11:51

I do have questions for you

11:53

about the transpocalypse, as you call it, and

11:55

some of the names that are in there. But

11:58

before we get hung up on specific little. things.

12:01

Proceed on through maybe some of the

12:03

other rabbit holes that you

12:05

went down. Yeah, well

12:07

of course during this period of

12:09

discovery I'm married to a beautiful

12:12

woman who I love to this

12:14

moment but she's a normie

12:17

and armies don't know, they don't want to know, and they

12:19

don't want you to know. And

12:21

so that started

12:23

the process of my marriage of 24

12:26

years ending in divorce like two

12:28

years ago because the next

12:30

one was the Mandel effect. Now I'm

12:32

coming from a biblical worldview, I

12:35

got radically saved at 23, ended up

12:37

in the ministry, full-time ministry

12:39

for like 10 years in a big

12:41

church, then another 20 years in like

12:43

lay ministry as a worship leader. And

12:46

so I find out like

12:48

the mirror mirror on the wall never existed,

12:50

it's magic mirror. Grand Central Station

12:52

never existed, it was always a Grand Central

12:54

Terminal. The monopoly guy never had

12:56

a monocle, that was the one that really convinced

12:59

me. And you go

13:01

down the line and there's thousands of

13:03

these things, there's just no way statistically.

13:05

Well guess what? The

13:08

things that are changing in

13:10

our environment includes the Bible.

13:12

All right,

13:14

this is a big problem for

13:16

the church because the

13:20

Bible seems to teach that it couldn't

13:22

possibly change. Thy word

13:24

is forever settled in heaven. Well it

13:26

turns out that doesn't

13:29

mean that because

13:31

the term scripture and the term word of

13:33

God are not the same thing and that's

13:35

they're being conflated to mean the same thing.

13:37

It doesn't say the scripture is forever

13:39

preserved on the pages of the book. Right,

13:43

and so I understand you have

13:45

four kids with your ex-wife and

13:49

obviously you were in the ministry for you say 24

13:51

years. I mean this has been a part of your

13:53

life forever, so this is clearly a part of their

13:55

lives too. Was this the thing

13:57

that like your wife said no more? Was

14:00

there like a final straw or was it

14:02

like, I mean, cause I would imagine that

14:04

if you thought 9-11 was a false flag,

14:06

she could probably live with that. It's pretty

14:08

inconsequential to one's life. Maybe COVID had an

14:10

effect, maybe Flat Earth had an effect. Was

14:13

there a single thing where she was just like,

14:15

it's too much? No, it

14:17

was the accumulated impact. You

14:20

know, I'm Mach 5 with my hair

14:22

on fire. So I don't, you know, I'm

14:24

a content creator, you know,

14:26

and on that note, if it was Flat Earth or

14:29

moon landing stuff, I would have walked away for

14:31

the sake of my marriage. I

14:33

did actually, I shut my channel down twice

14:35

to try to save my marriage. But

14:38

what happened was because my sense

14:40

of destiny around the Bible changing

14:43

and the fact that 99% of

14:45

the entire church

14:47

either doesn't know it's happening or refuses

14:50

to acknowledge that it's happening. I

14:52

felt, you know, like some men are born

14:54

to greatness, others have it thrust upon them.

14:57

I had to do something. And so I did

15:00

not leave. Okay. I was asked to

15:02

leave. I

15:04

did not divorce my wife over this. And what

15:06

I found over the last

15:08

seven years of being a content creator on

15:10

YouTube, wake up or else is my channel.

15:14

I have interacted with tens of thousands

15:16

of people and I've personally

15:18

interacted with 200 properly

15:20

that have been divorced by

15:22

their spouses because they found

15:24

out these things. I mean, the health

15:27

emergency thing, are we on YouTube at

15:29

all with this? I

15:31

decide afterwards if it goes on YouTube. Actually,

15:33

usually I put clips on YouTube because I'm

15:35

on my last strike and this or that,

15:37

but my YouTube is not what it used

15:39

to be. The real meat is just the

15:42

podcast feed, the audio. So say

15:44

whatever you want and let the chips fall where they

15:46

may. All right. So because

15:48

of what I call the monkey juice,

15:50

right? There was a lot

15:52

of marriages that broke up just

15:55

over that. That's true. Or

15:57

the Patriot movement has broken up tons of

15:59

families. It doesn't take

16:01

all 10 or 15 big

16:04

conspiracy theories. It could be one. And

16:06

what happens is what I

16:09

found in my research and

16:11

being in this for seven years full-time

16:13

is it isn't the truther

16:17

for the most part. It is the

16:19

normie that is the one that gives ultimatums.

16:21

I was told if you talk

16:23

about crazy things, I can't have a relationship

16:25

with you. My kids told me that. My

16:28

wife told me that. I

16:31

don't issue ultimatums like that. You

16:33

don't, listener. We

16:35

don't do that. Okay? So

16:38

my job in this world is

16:40

to encourage you and

16:42

to congratulate you for

16:44

having integrity, which is at the

16:46

core of what drives you. You

16:49

found out things that were true, but

16:52

they were unpleasant. And

16:54

you decided, I don't care what

16:56

the consequences are. I have

16:59

integrity. I love the truth. That's why

17:01

we're called truthers. But

17:04

the normie runs a

17:06

little algorithm in the back of

17:08

their peanut brain that says, whoa,

17:11

if I question officialdom, I'm going to

17:14

walk through a crap storm. I'd

17:17

prefer not to do that because first of all, I'm

17:19

very smart. And I'd have to

17:21

be stupid for them to trick me into thinking the

17:23

earth is flat. So my pride won't

17:25

allow me to acknowledge that's

17:27

obvious. Plus, if I do that, I'm

17:30

going to be raked over the coals

17:32

like I do to other people. So

17:34

I better just pretend that

17:36

this person is crazy. See,

17:38

the reason they attack you instead

17:41

of having an intelligent discourse is

17:43

because there's too much meat on

17:45

the bones of our arguments. Okay?

17:48

Why is the earth round if

17:50

I can see 50 miles at

17:52

night as a mariner? I can see the

17:54

lighthouse. The tallest lighthouse is 400 feet tall.

17:58

50 miles away. There should be. 1500 feet of

18:00

curvature. Uh,

18:04

that is true. There's a lot of those

18:06

strange things. I know you've linked to Eric

18:08

De Baye's massive YouTube video. I think it's

18:10

six hours long and that was an interview

18:12

I did that he makes

18:14

a lot of really interesting points.

18:16

I find it kind of largely

18:18

inconsequential compared to something like COVID

18:20

that was deep in everybody's lives

18:22

on a daily basis and how

18:25

they lived and acted. But

18:27

your book starts with this. It says,

18:29

if you journey down the proverbial rabbit

18:32

hole and it has cost

18:34

you friends and family, destroyed your marriage, convinced

18:36

loved ones you're crazy and has made your

18:38

life a veil of tears, this book is

18:41

for you because I've experienced all four of

18:43

these things. And you told us a little bit about that.

18:46

I've also heard you say that three of

18:48

your four children won't talk to you and

18:50

said, if you're going to talk about this

18:52

stuff, we can't have a relationship. That's extremely

18:54

heartbreaking. I'm a new dad of two

18:57

kids under two and I

18:59

can only imagine that happening down

19:01

the road. It would be

19:03

pretty brutal. And I understand the

19:05

sense of purpose and destiny but

19:09

man, I just have

19:11

to think there might be a point where I

19:13

would think, is it worth it? Wouldn't

19:16

there have been some version of

19:19

events where you could be a little

19:21

more subtle with your thoughts and still

19:23

have this relationship and influence your kids

19:25

and still have an intact family because

19:28

what is life really about in the end? I

19:30

know you say you tried that but we

19:33

can have our controversial thoughts and

19:36

keep them to ourselves when

19:38

the cost goes beyond a certain point, can't

19:40

we? Because if we think about what the

19:42

elite really want, it's to divide us and

19:45

to break up families and

19:47

to keep us all from climbing

19:49

the ladder collectively together which requires

19:51

some cooperation especially on a family

19:53

level. Look how they operate. So

19:56

did the elite win with you? No,

20:01

because the sentiment

20:04

of not shoving things down people's

20:06

throat is valid and I teach

20:08

that myself. However, when

20:11

it's your wife that is opposing

20:13

the truth and you have

20:15

to try to be the husband and the father

20:17

of children where you're raising them, you're

20:19

forced to make a lot of decisions together

20:23

and your worldview just flipped

20:26

upside down. And

20:28

I started saying, honey, I got off the bus,

20:30

I can't do life like I used to. I

20:32

can't clap like a trained seal when

20:35

they trounce out the latest

20:37

recruits that the football gave because

20:40

all wars are banker wars and I

20:42

can't salute the flag because it's the

20:44

jolly Roger and now I'm an American

20:46

state national. I can't pretend the Bible's

20:48

not changing sitting in church. However,

20:51

what I did was I tried to do what

20:53

you said. I've remained quiet

20:55

for two years, but

20:57

it got worse because the

21:00

elephant in the room is you're a kook, you're

21:02

a nut job. My kids basically

21:05

told me they're pissed off at me

21:07

because they believe I'm

21:09

a weak-minded boob that has

21:11

believed Photoshop tricks and then I

21:13

chose those stupid lies over them

21:15

so they're offended and

21:18

there's no fixing that. Okay, because

21:20

again, there was a number of

21:22

times when I would go to them and say, honey,

21:24

let's try to talk. Let's just share,

21:26

tell me how you're feeling. I don't want to talk about it. Okay,

21:30

so not only can you not reason

21:32

with them and show them, look, here's

21:35

a picture of the earth from the moon

21:37

and it's this big and then you have a picture of

21:40

the moon from the earth and it's the same size but

21:42

the earth is four times larger, how could that be? They

21:44

won't do that. They will

21:46

not use their reason to try

21:48

to build bridges of understanding. So

21:50

you're shut off, you're cut

21:52

off from reason and then

21:54

you're cut off from trying to talk about matters of heart.

21:56

So for two years, I would go to the dinner table,

21:58

I would just sit there. And I just eat. I

22:01

called it Happy Dad. I was

22:04

forced to be Happy

22:06

Dad and talk about hair,

22:08

nails, movies, play dates, fun

22:10

fun seasons in the sun. That's all they

22:13

want to talk about. Because the

22:15

normie just wants their happy life. And

22:17

what you are, truth or? What

22:19

you are is a buzzkill, okay? You're

22:22

a buzzkill and they don't want to

22:24

be told in the superhero movies that

22:26

the portal is real and there's real

22:29

wicked mad scientists like Bill

22:31

Gates and Klaus Schwab and these

22:33

people that operate in these very

22:36

empirical realms like all the way

22:38

up the corporations, the IMF, the

22:40

central banks, the Bank

22:42

of International Settlements, the Bilderberg, the United

22:45

Nations, Chatham House, Freemason

22:47

Lodges, all the way up

22:49

to the think tanks of the trilateral commissions,

22:51

the Vatican, Crown, Washington, you've got the three

22:53

city states, then you've got the committee of

22:55

300, the council of 13 and

22:59

then the pin yard, right? They

23:01

don't care about any of those

23:03

things. They want to

23:05

go play basketball and I get

23:07

it. They just want a dad who loves

23:10

them and wants to be in their life and I

23:12

tried to provide that. But

23:14

I was given an ultimatum, okay?

23:16

So here's my response to your very

23:18

valid observation, okay? I want you

23:21

to imagine two people, one

23:23

of them gets radically born again. They're

23:25

two atheists, okay? Two

23:28

atheists get married and then one of

23:30

them gets radically born again, filled

23:32

with the Holy Spirit and loves Jesus all

23:34

of a sudden and the other one's looking

23:36

at him like, oh boy, I'm glad you're

23:38

happy but there's a complete paradigm

23:40

shift of the worldview and

23:43

then after about let's say it's you, okay?

23:46

Greg, let's say you're the one that got born

23:49

again and now your wife comes to you and

23:51

says, listen, Greg, I'm glad you're happy but

23:53

you're going to have to choose. It's either Jesus

23:55

or me. I'm

23:59

here to tell you. I

24:01

would not even have to pray about that one. I

24:03

would not even have to think very long. Honey, I

24:05

love you, but if you're going to throw down the

24:08

gauntlet, I'm sorry, but I'm going to have

24:10

to take door

24:12

number two where Carol Merrill is now standing.

24:15

Right. And that's fair to say.

24:17

I actually think about this quite a bit.

24:19

Luckily, my wife is on my

24:21

page with a lot of this stuff.

24:23

She was very supportive in me starting

24:26

this show, which has just been insanely

24:29

lucrative and successful, and it's gotten me

24:31

out of a shitty job in the

24:33

rat race. And so, you know, she

24:35

gets it. She might not let it

24:37

occupy as much as her mental space

24:39

as it does for me, but

24:42

she doesn't argue

24:44

with any of it. Like she's very much open-minded

24:46

and on that page, but there has to be

24:48

all kinds of things that break

24:50

up marriages, as you mentioned, someone

24:52

becoming born again or someone deciding

24:55

they're gay or trans or a

24:57

number of things.

24:59

And I just don't know how

25:02

exactly to feel about that because when

25:04

you make a commitment to a person

25:06

and then you radically change the direction

25:09

of your own ship, I mean, that's not what

25:11

they signed up for. So

25:13

I think it's important to have a

25:15

lot of these conversations before marriage and

25:17

make sure especially with

25:19

the vaccination thing, you're going to have kids

25:22

probably. And when you make

25:24

that decision, it also means

25:27

that you can't go to most schools and

25:29

it means that your family might have real

25:31

problems with it. So you have to be

25:33

able to stand your ground. So

25:36

yeah, that kind of stuff is

25:38

important. Of course, some people's awakening comes after the

25:40

point of marriage and there's nothing you can really

25:42

do about that. But

25:46

when you get married and

25:48

you have common belief systems

25:50

and worldviews, I think if

25:53

you alter that worldview and you go 180 degrees

25:56

in a different direction, I don't necessarily, a

25:59

lot of times, fault, a partner for

26:01

being like, well, I married a straight

26:03

man. Now you're telling me you're a gay

26:06

woman? Like, you know, just to use an

26:08

extreme example that does happen. It's

26:11

not always their fault. I don't know exactly

26:13

what could be done about that, but something

26:15

I think about a lot is that phrase,

26:17

ignorance is bliss. You kind of touched on

26:20

that. I know people who are actually happy

26:22

with low wage, long hour jobs, because they've

26:24

never had the thought about how much

26:27

better it could be. And when

26:29

I had a regular job, I remember how miserable

26:31

I was. There were nights where my now wife

26:33

would be in tears saying, I love

26:35

you, but I worry that you're never going

26:37

to be happy. And I

26:40

honestly wasn't going to be

26:42

able to let a job take 50 hours

26:44

of my week and barely pay enough to

26:46

scrap by. And so we were

26:48

in a situation where I threw a Hail Mary

26:50

pass and it worked out, but she

26:52

was like, I can't be with someone who's going

26:55

to be miserable forever. So you figure it out

26:57

or this just won't work. And, you know,

26:59

luckily I figured it out, but I've

27:02

thought a lot about that phrase

27:04

because sometimes I'm jealous of those

27:06

who can work a shitty middle

27:09

management job for some typical corporation

27:11

and be happy. I actually would get envious

27:14

of that and start wishing that I was

27:16

more ignorant. So I could just enjoy the

27:19

basic life because it's

27:22

a lot easier to achieve that when you think

27:24

that that's the path,

27:26

you know, it gets difficult. So I

27:28

don't know a lot of things in here and

27:30

I'm sure a lot of listeners have dealt with one

27:32

aspect of it or another, but

27:35

we walk a wobbly

27:37

road, man. Well, I'll

27:39

apply what you just said to the

27:42

journey of the truth or because you said a

27:45

spouse might say, I can't be with someone who's

27:47

going to be miserable their whole

27:49

life. Well, that becomes the

27:51

perception of the normie because

27:54

when you become a truth or one of

27:57

the things that happens is your values change

27:59

your ideas. deals change, what

28:01

you prioritize. You basically go from living

28:04

on a cruise liner to living on

28:06

a battleship. You go to a war

28:08

footing because you find out the

28:10

people that run things are

28:13

actually Luciferian, blood-drinking,

28:16

petivore, psycho-monsters. And

28:18

they have an agenda to kill everybody. I

28:21

mean, that's what the Guidestones told us, reduced

28:23

the population to 500 million. Well,

28:25

hello. We've operationalized

28:28

that whole thing and we were right, but

28:31

they don't know that. Still, to this day, they don't

28:33

know that. And so you're all

28:35

of a sudden freaked out, okay? And then

28:37

you're finding out all these rabbit holes and

28:39

so you're looked upon as obsessed by

28:42

your spouse. So it creates a

28:44

very intangible family dynamic

28:46

when you start finding out all this

28:48

horrible stuff. Like most of what

28:50

we're trafficking is bad news, right? So

28:53

what happens though is

28:57

you're implacable. You refuse to come

28:59

off of something because you have

29:02

an instinct for survival, right? I

29:04

don't take kindly to being slow kill

29:07

and enslave. No. All

29:09

right? The whole tax scheme is

29:11

a terrible enslavement that we

29:14

can escape from. That would not

29:16

go over with my wife. There's no way she

29:18

would bite down on being an estate national and

29:20

repudiating your 14th amendment status

29:23

and talking back to the

29:25

police and all this. I mean, it's crazy

29:27

to her. So they view you as

29:29

going rogue and they

29:31

view you as falling in

29:34

with a bad crowd because now

29:36

you're unpatriotic. No, you are the

29:38

most patriotic. And so

29:40

one of the greatest revelations is when I

29:42

looked up the term normal in

29:45

the dictionary because my daughter said, dad, I wish

29:47

you were normal. And I looked

29:49

it up and normal means you're in

29:51

compliance with the rules. Well,

29:54

that's the opposite of a truther. A

29:56

truther is now questioning the rules.

29:59

They're now. beginning to question for

30:01

the first time and

30:03

you're looking okay but the

30:05

normies like the British Guards you

30:07

know the British Guards where they just look forward

30:10

and you go up and go hey you try

30:12

to get them to like look right normies

30:14

don't look they

30:17

will not look at your

30:19

three ring binder okay filled

30:21

with evidence they're thinking

30:23

the shock and awe approach well

30:25

surely if I saw them enough

30:27

examples they'll be convinced that's

30:31

a great point and I like that you've

30:33

talked about that before that in the truth

30:35

or mind it's just like oh well they

30:37

haven't been presented with the right evidence yet

30:39

they haven't been presented with the facts like

30:41

I have and then you present them and

30:43

they still don't see it and that's because

30:45

it is a faith-based argument

30:47

they believe in the structures of

30:50

the system they trust the system

30:52

they have faith in it and

30:54

you can't break faith

30:56

with facts and that

30:58

is why I'm so averse to

31:01

religious thinking I have faith in

31:03

my own discernment and

31:05

that's basically it and

31:07

I can't trust some old book

31:10

I can't trust some preacher I just

31:13

can't because there's too much manipulation

31:15

too many layers of propaganda and

31:18

so I have

31:20

an open mind and take in a

31:22

lot of different perspectives and different information

31:24

but I keep it all kind of

31:27

at arm's length because it

31:29

just seems wise to do and if

31:31

there's a God who looks at this

31:33

system the way it is and the

31:35

way I'm choosing to navigate it and

31:37

thinks that I've done something wrong and

31:39

deserve to burn in hell then fuck

31:41

that God I don't care that's kind

31:43

of my general perspective because

31:46

imagine getting kicked out of a

31:49

Mormon family for wanting to do something

31:51

different or getting kicked out of an

31:54

Amish family for wanting to have a

31:56

zoom conversation like we're having right now

31:58

people put arbitrary rules out there

32:00

and say, you must live within these

32:03

guidelines, whether it's a normie cult or

32:05

a religious cult, I don't see a

32:08

ton of difference. Sure.

32:11

You know, I get it, man. I get

32:13

it. There's a lot of questions around

32:15

how God runs this universe. And

32:19

after walking with this God for

32:21

40 years, you know, I

32:23

finally came to where He spoke to me once

32:26

and He said, John, do you have any other

32:28

questions before you're ready to follow me? So

32:30

basically, the answer to some

32:33

questions is there is no answer this side

32:35

of eternity. And so Jesus

32:37

said, you got to come as a child. So

32:40

the issue is

32:42

a man with an experience is not

32:44

at the mercy of a man with

32:46

an argument. So your arguments sound rational

32:49

until you meet Jesus. So

32:52

I walked into a church at 23 years

32:54

old. My goal at that point was to

32:56

be a rock star and to have a

32:58

Porsche with a car phone. That was what

33:00

was on my radar. Okay. And

33:02

at that point, I was the biggest drug dealer in high

33:04

school. I started smoking when I was

33:07

four. And so I'd already

33:09

lived three lives. Small stories short. By the

33:11

time I walked in there and

33:14

I go into this little church in Newark, New Jersey,

33:16

and it was just about, you know, 50 people,

33:18

whatever. And this little old

33:20

lady on the out of tune piano and this

33:22

teenager on the drums. And they're

33:25

singing this song like, lift Jesus

33:27

higher, lift Jesus. And

33:30

to me, the rational part of me

33:32

was like, whoa, I'm like

33:34

looking for an exit strategy. I didn't

33:36

want to embarrass myself or anybody, but

33:38

this was so corny.

33:41

However, okay, there was this

33:43

other compartment of me that

33:45

all of a sudden was feeling like

33:47

warm cream being poured into my dark

33:49

soul. Hey, now all I can tell

33:52

it was love

33:54

on steroids in the air.

33:57

So that seized me. I was like, whoa.

34:01

And the people had joy and they're

34:03

like free and I don't know

34:05

man. It was just like another world This

34:08

is a singing going on, you know, and

34:10

I'm thinking whoa, this is awesome. This is better

34:12

than the coke This is like what I've been

34:15

looking for. Those are the thoughts that started going

34:17

through my mind And so then

34:19

the guy tells the sermon, you know Romans 6. I

34:21

remember telling the lady. Hey, why did

34:24

you tell him about me? That's what I told her

34:26

and she said honey. I didn't tell him about you So

34:29

the Word of God we don't read the word the

34:31

word reads us So at the

34:33

end I'm just telling you my journey man at the

34:35

end of the thing the guy says if you're here

34:37

today You're not absolutely sure you go to heaven you

34:39

can come up and receive the gift of eternal life

34:42

and I was like If I went

34:44

to died right now, I'm absolutely sure I wouldn't

34:46

go to heaven So

34:49

I jumped over to pew and

34:51

I said the little prayer and nothing happened

34:53

No bomb columns of light nothing. But

34:55

the next day I'm down in

34:58

the basement with Tom daggers and my friend Rob Paul

35:00

were getting high they passed me to joint and I

35:02

looked at it and I was like I'm

35:05

not interested. I'll say it ain't so but

35:08

God made the plan Bro,

35:10

but I had changed I looked at it and I

35:12

was like you can't get higher than the most high

35:14

I was already high Well, it's

35:16

nice to be inspired for sure and dig it

35:19

lots of people have felt the warm cream in

35:21

the dark corners of the church but

35:24

in terms of the archetypal things

35:26

we're talking about the conspiracy

35:29

theorists who Awakens and their

35:31

life kind of falls apart Funny

35:34

enough that is the sort of thing

35:36

I've tried to transmute through the course

35:39

of this show I've tried to reinforce

35:41

the idea that your worldview should serve

35:43

you or your worldview should improve your

35:45

life Thinking critically should be

35:47

an asset in one's life not a liability

35:49

And if it isn't maybe there needs to

35:51

be a new approach and I

35:53

know every situation is different But the

35:56

system does try to pigeonhole and isolate

35:58

us as your book discusses but with

36:00

a lot of this material, what are

36:02

we really talking about? Avoid the pitfalls

36:05

of big pharma, eat organic, avoid glyphosate,

36:07

make sure your water is clean and

36:09

unfloridated, have a proper sense of what

36:12

fiat really is and how the economy

36:14

works, never get too vested

36:16

in any politician, avoid the rat race

36:18

life, no job is ever gonna pay

36:20

you what you're worth independently, no one

36:22

is gonna save you, so you have

36:25

to pull yourself up and thrive despite

36:27

the uphill battle. So there's

36:29

a version of things where the

36:31

fruits of these bullet points provide

36:33

a positive example for what it

36:35

is to be in this camp,

36:38

a healthier person who doesn't

36:40

eat the mainstream shit, a happier person

36:43

than one who tried to work in

36:45

some shitty company because that's what they

36:47

thought they were supposed to do, even

36:49

a more mentally stable person than those

36:52

being traumatized repeatedly by the next news

36:54

cycle. These are the kind

36:56

of things I think about because they paint us as

36:58

paranoid, well am I paranoid or is it the person

37:01

mind-controlled by mainstream TV that's

37:03

paranoid? We're thought of as

37:06

irrational, largely

37:08

unhealthy, living in some basement,

37:11

not getting sunlight and all this,

37:13

I disagree. So I try

37:15

to flip a lot of those things because

37:17

as you say in the book, the CIA

37:19

invented the term conspiracy theorist as a pejorative

37:22

and I guess I'm trying to

37:25

take that culture back or say there's got

37:27

to be a way that truth can serve

37:29

us and make our lives better and screw

37:32

your perception or

37:34

your projection of what a truth there

37:36

really is. I'm gonna flip that. The

37:39

worldview has to serve you or it's

37:41

a bad worldview and I cannot conclude

37:43

that our worldview is bad or wrong.

37:46

Great, awesome. Okay, so you

37:48

said a lot. First of all, here's

37:50

a million dollar tip. This is in

37:53

the book. When I was silent for

37:55

two years, I still was getting persecuted because

37:57

we'd be watching the TV show or whatever.

38:00

with the kids and the term conspiracy theory would

38:02

come up and they'd all look at me and giggle.

38:05

Well, that's disrespectful. That's shaming me and

38:07

I didn't appreciate it. I'm trying to

38:09

comply with your gag order and

38:11

your censorship and I'm still getting slimed. So

38:14

I came up with this. Hold up

38:16

your right finger. Say, excuse me, I may be

38:18

mistaken, but I am not crazy. And I'd appreciate

38:20

it if you didn't use those terms to me.

38:22

It's very disrespectful. When I started doing

38:25

that, man, things

38:28

really started improving for me

38:31

because you mentioned the

38:33

obsession. Obsession is an attack vector.

38:37

In other words, if you're

38:39

in a burning building, you should be

38:41

obsessed. You

38:44

just found out that the

38:46

world is run by Luciferian

38:48

blood-drinking psychomopsters. A

38:50

normal person reacts to that very

38:53

dramatically, not like the

38:55

normie does where they don't want to know

38:57

that. It looks like you're watching a movie

38:59

night on Friday night and two thugs kick

39:02

the door in and you just look up

39:04

and you go, oh, isn't that interesting? And you

39:06

go back to watching your movie. That's what we

39:08

observe. But they

39:10

use obsession as a way

39:12

to manipulate. So in other words, obsession

39:15

is a character flaw in their mind.

39:18

And it states that you're messed up and

39:21

you're now disqualified from being my guide and

39:23

my instructor and warning me and talking to

39:25

me about it. You have to go over

39:27

and fix that problem in your life first

39:30

before you can. So it's a way to

39:32

shut you down. It's another personal ad hominem

39:34

attack. But that

39:36

is part of the mind control, what I

39:38

call the death to truth or algorithm. There's

39:42

no rational reason for the normie to

39:44

act the way they do. So I'll

39:46

give you an example. It's in

39:48

the book. I had this one pastor that we reached

39:50

out to. I called him up, Pastor

39:52

Tom, right? Mild-mannered guy.

39:55

I'm like, listen, my wife and I are

39:57

having some conflict. Would you mind just sitting

39:59

down with us? and just try to

40:01

mediate. Sure, John, no problem. Come on over.

40:03

Let me ask you, you know, what do you guys wrestle with? I'm

40:05

like, well, I'm

40:08

part of a growing number of people who

40:10

are beginning to question things like the moon

40:12

landing, the shape of the earth, flat and

40:14

stationary like the Bible says. I'm

40:17

doing content on the Mandela facts and

40:19

the Bible supernaturally changing the Phil end

40:21

times prophecy. And he's like, well,

40:23

if that's what you believe, you're nuts and I can't

40:25

help you. Click. Now,

40:28

a minute later, the guy calls me back and

40:30

apologizes. But that's an

40:32

example of a triggered response that

40:35

isn't consistent with these people's character,

40:37

right? So they jump in your grill and

40:41

they don't have a rational argument.

40:43

They attack you. And

40:46

then you have to defend you. And

40:48

you're like, well, that's irrelevant. I'm not,

40:50

you know, it's just a

40:54

battle that we are in and we have

40:56

to realize that. And so

40:58

in response to your statement, though, what's the

41:00

response to this? That's what you're

41:03

basically saying. The response to

41:05

tyranny is to

41:07

be salt.

41:10

Okay, because a lot of folks are

41:12

trying to lay low. Okay, I'm

41:15

going to lay low, go along to get

41:17

along. Well, no, those days are over. They're

41:20

coming for us. And

41:22

you have to be like William

41:24

Wallace. Okay. All men die,

41:26

but not all men live. And

41:28

they're going to come for you in a hundred different

41:30

ways. I mean, they've blown up 120 food

41:33

manufacturing plants since January. Your

41:36

derailing trains and chemical spills to

41:38

drive you into the 15-minute cities.

41:41

You got this ghoul, John Kerry,

41:44

parading around in his private jet

41:46

telling us that we have to shut down

41:49

the farms because their carbon

41:51

footprint. I mean, these people are obviously

41:55

wacko and then they're weaponizing

41:57

the IRS. They're going to drop the… minimum

42:00

reporting to $600 and so everything's going to

42:02

go to them. They're

42:05

closing the banks, Fed coin's in operation.

42:08

The pandemics, this first

42:10

one was just a test case to see

42:12

how we would respond. They're

42:14

using lawfare to put people in

42:16

prison, Jan 6 and all that.

42:19

They're de-banking people if you get out of line.

42:21

It's like the credit score is around the corner.

42:24

They're trying to start World War III in

42:26

Ukraine. That didn't work. They just jumped

42:28

over to Israel and of course the censorship

42:30

is just ratcheting up and it just goes on and

42:32

on and on. So what are you going to do?

42:35

You're going to do what you do, bro. Do

42:37

it. I agree with so many of

42:39

those things that you said. Two quotes

42:41

come to mind. You made some points

42:44

about obsession that we're good. Well, when

42:46

it comes to the material and our

42:48

tendency to get obsessed with it and

42:50

keeping an eye on every little thing,

42:52

I kind of think

42:54

attention is a currency.

42:58

They want our attention one way

43:00

or another. Does it matter if

43:02

we're spending eight hours a day

43:04

on conspiracy blogs or MSNBC or

43:07

Fox News? Does it

43:09

matter? As long as our focus

43:11

is on an obsession about their

43:13

machinations up here rather than what actually

43:16

hits our lives or potentially hypotheticals. I

43:18

think you can find this quote attributed

43:20

to Terrence McKenna and Alan Watts and all

43:22

kinds of people. I think it was in

43:24

Huxley's book though. But the

43:27

quote is, when you've got the message,

43:29

hang up the phone. So

43:31

it's like I understand that

43:34

everything is twisted and unfair

43:36

and I understand there's

43:38

a power hierarchy and it's

43:41

kind of hidden behind the

43:43

matrix veil. Not

43:45

that I've hung up the phone, this is my job. But

43:47

for most other people, when you

43:49

see some of that stuff, it's like, okay, I get it. Now

43:52

I'm going to go live my life according

43:54

to my new understanding.

43:56

The other quote, when it comes

43:59

to dealing with others, that comes to

44:01

mind when it comes to how do we

44:03

navigate when so many people disagree with us

44:05

about these things. It's

44:08

a quote from Hamilton where he says,

44:10

talk less, smile more, don't

44:13

let them know what you're against or what you're

44:15

for. And I use that

44:17

a lot when I'm navigating through

44:19

life and there's people I

44:21

enjoy, their company when we play golf. They

44:24

don't need to know what I think about

44:26

9-11. They barely need to know

44:28

what I do for work as long

44:30

as we can have a good time when we're

44:32

out there and there's a high laughs per minute

44:35

ratio. That's what I'm looking for in a good

44:37

time. So I

44:39

think it's actually good to

44:41

keep our thoughts closer to

44:43

the chest sometimes so

44:46

that we can actually improve the quality

44:48

of our experiences with other people, which

44:50

I think life is about experience and

44:52

trying to have more good times than

44:54

bad. Yeah.

44:57

So I think what you're talking

44:59

about is what's your priorities or what

45:02

I call your ideals. I mean, your

45:05

ideal might be enlightenment. So you might

45:07

have a life path that's

45:10

more like a Buddhist monk where you

45:13

spend most of your time in deep

45:15

meditation and fasting

45:18

and you're practicing being

45:21

in the present like chop

45:23

wood, carry water. Or

45:26

it might be contribution, which

45:28

is your ideal where you have

45:30

a sense of that you're on a

45:32

crusade to make a difference. You only get one

45:35

life to live. You have a

45:37

sense that you're born for greatness and

45:39

there's a sense of destiny behind a lot

45:41

of truth. There's decision to carry the truth,

45:43

to be an agent of

45:45

change. There's sense destiny has come

45:47

to them and they feel a

45:50

burden to respond no

45:52

matter what the cost. That

45:55

is a major theme. I just wanted to

45:57

focus on that theme for a minute because definitely

46:00

in the mix that people get some

46:03

would say delusions of grandeur when

46:06

it comes to I've got to carry the

46:08

torch for this conspiracy, this knowledge that I've

46:10

learned, I've got to shout it from the

46:12

rooftops. And yet a

46:15

lot of us also acknowledge that this

46:17

is a individualized process of awakening, a

46:19

journey, and it can't really be

46:22

sped up for other people. The

46:24

three kids that won't talk to you today

46:26

in two decades they might think that

46:28

you had it all right, but you're not

46:30

going to be able to speed up their

46:32

process of awakening. You can lead a horse

46:34

to water, can't make them drink, and all

46:36

that stuff. But for a lot of

46:38

people who start to get these feelings of

46:41

I must now be a prophet for

46:43

the flat earth or 9-11

46:46

or four dated water or chemtrails

46:48

or whatever it may be, where

46:51

does that usually go? And I

46:53

think you can tell by the fruits

46:56

if the idea

46:58

that this is part of their

47:01

destiny is accurate or if it

47:03

is a miscalculation. Because a

47:05

lot of times I see people take

47:08

that tact and spiral into

47:10

obscurity and my

47:14

assessment of that is why you clearly didn't find

47:16

the right life path or it would have gone

47:18

a different way. Yes,

47:20

the idea that you can tell them by the fruits

47:22

the fact that I'm divorced and my kids don't talk

47:24

to me would maybe

47:27

be used to suggest that my

47:30

manner of dealing with

47:32

these things is incorrect. However, that

47:35

is not a measurement of how

47:37

truth impacts. Jesus said, I

47:39

didn't come to bring peace but a sword

47:42

and I will pit mother against father, son

47:44

against daughter, and the members of your own

47:47

household will be your enemies. And

47:49

so the 12

47:52

disciples, 11 of them were

47:54

martyred, some of them

47:57

terribly. Peter was crucified upside down and

47:59

then the The last one was exiled

48:01

on the isle of Patmos. So a

48:04

trail of dead bodies behind you doesn't

48:06

necessarily mean that you're off. Well,

48:09

what should be the measure that we

48:11

are on our individual life path? This

48:13

is another super important observation you made.

48:16

And that's the observation that people

48:19

can only come at their

48:21

pace. Well, the problem with

48:23

that concept is that you don't

48:25

know who is ready. Because

48:28

what I find in my ministry

48:31

on YouTube is that people

48:34

come across my video and my

48:36

video is the thing that gets

48:38

them to look and then they

48:40

are convinced. So I

48:42

don't know who's ready. But by

48:44

being a voice to the topic, I

48:46

am able to convert a lot of people. And

48:49

then my goal is to help disciple

48:51

them, to educate them. How do you, okay,

48:53

now that you're one of the kooks

48:56

and the people around you are not happy

48:59

with you, how do you deal with

49:01

that? So that's my response to the

49:03

idea of what I call fatalism. Don't bother

49:05

talking to anybody because they need to

49:07

find out on their own. No, that's not

49:09

how it works. We're supposed to tell and warn.

49:11

It would be like if you're walking down the

49:14

street and your family, you know, is

49:16

two in the morning but they're all asleep but their

49:18

house is burning. Okay,

49:20

you're not going to say, oh, son

49:23

of my business. That's just their journey to

49:25

burn a lot. Yeah, right. You got to

49:27

step into stuff, man. Be nosy and do

49:29

things. I

49:32

get that point. I do. But I

49:34

guess I don't see it as my responsibility to

49:37

convert other people. I

49:40

live my life as an example. That's kind

49:42

of what I was getting at earlier with

49:44

the archetypes. That's not true. Greg, look at

49:46

you. You're a podcaster. What are

49:48

you talking about? You are an influencer. You're

49:50

doing it every time. I'm preaching to the converted.

49:53

I'm preaching to the converted most of the time.

49:55

No, no. You're discipling. You're

49:57

trying to bring your point. By

50:00

bringing me on, okay, or bringing

50:02

your guests on, you're acting

50:05

as an agent of change. So

50:07

I don't really think you believe what you're saying. Well,

50:10

going back to that archetype, they try

50:12

to paint conspiracy rabbit holes

50:15

as something that will derail your

50:17

life. Now, I mean, you know, we're talking

50:19

to someone who has had some issues in

50:21

that department, but I guess I'm

50:23

saying that, like, here's a great

50:26

example. I have this artwork I keep on my desk

50:28

that is, you know, COVID artwork.

50:30

It's a family walking maskless through

50:32

the crowd while everybody else is paranoid

50:34

with a gas mask on and that

50:37

kind of thing. And

50:39

I think there were a lot of memes during COVID that

50:42

hit at that truth, which is

50:44

like, no, the conspiracy theorist is

50:46

the one who has less fear

50:49

than the normie. And

50:51

that's kind of the archetype I

50:53

try to project. Like my life

50:55

is so much better because I

50:57

learned that I was trapped in a

51:00

matrix. I have navigated, accordingly,

51:02

got out of that shitty job,

51:04

become my own person, made a

51:06

successful business as an independent person.

51:09

And I get more sunlight than I used to

51:12

because I understand the value of it. I eat

51:14

better food than I used to because I understand

51:16

the value of it. And

51:18

in every category, my life is

51:20

better from going down the rabbit hole.

51:23

And that's kind of what, you know,

51:25

I'm trying to get at is I try to

51:27

lead by an example. Like there's people in my

51:29

life that definitely aren't conspiracy theorists, but they look

51:31

at me and they're like, man, like what part

51:33

of his life isn't together? And

51:35

I hope that that inspires them to

51:38

take the same journey. I don't have to

51:40

tell them anything. I just have to show.

51:43

And I think that might be a

51:45

better approach for some people. Maybe when

51:47

your kids see how

51:49

successful you've gotten and all these different

51:52

things that you could manifest

51:54

over the next 10 years, maybe they start

51:56

coming around and say, man, that

51:58

isn't crazy because a crazy person couldn't

52:00

achieve these things? Yeah,

52:03

social proof. But see, they don't

52:05

want to know about my social proof. So it's

52:07

kind of like if the cops came to my

52:10

door and said, so and so live

52:12

here like they named my son, right? Yes.

52:15

Well, we're here to arrest him for murder. Well,

52:17

you must have the wrong house. And then they

52:19

confirm it's him. And then they say,

52:21

well, that's impossible. And then they say, well, we

52:23

have proof. And this is

52:25

what I would say. I don't

52:27

care what proof you have. I know my

52:29

son. So the

52:32

people that were trying to show the

52:34

social proof, you know, that

52:36

I have millions of people that want to listen to

52:39

me and you think I'm crazy. What does that mean

52:41

to you? They don't care. They

52:43

refuse to let it go in. So

52:45

the truth or journey is

52:48

very common for it to be a

52:50

rocky road. Okay, it's not easy to

52:52

have your worldview turned upside down. To

52:55

find out that the infrastructure,

52:57

the power structure is lying,

52:59

including the media, like that

53:02

was the biggest impact thing when 9-11. Okay,

53:06

I remember that what really got me was

53:08

I watched Loose Change or one of

53:10

those documentaries and it showed like two

53:12

or three commercial airliners that had bird

53:14

hits, okay, on the nose cone. So

53:17

the nose cone of the plane

53:19

is completely imploded, right, from birds.

53:22

All right. Yet the media shows me

53:25

the plane hits the thing and then it comes

53:27

out the other end for about two or three

53:29

seconds and the nose cone is

53:31

fully intact. So the CGI

53:33

messed up. They allowed the plane

53:35

to go all the way through with the

53:37

full nose cone went through, I don't know,

53:40

thousands of feet of concrete

53:42

and steel and perfectly intact. That's

53:45

what convinced me. Here in the

53:47

CGI planes camp. Okay, okay, I

53:49

get it. But here's what I

53:51

want to say is your story is not over.

53:53

You're in a difficult chapter, but your

53:56

story is not over and you

53:58

might actually be thankful for this

54:00

chapter in the long run. Your bonds

54:02

with your family, kids in

54:04

particular, may be stronger at the

54:07

end and you can on a daily

54:09

basis navigate towards that with intention, I

54:11

believe. Well, let me just point

54:13

something out. You are one of the few

54:17

that are very fortunate because

54:20

in my interaction with thousands

54:22

of people, okay, there's basically

54:24

three types of spouses for

54:26

a truther. The first is

54:29

what I have lovingly, okay, my wife

54:31

is awesome, I begged her not to

54:33

do it, I begged her three months

54:35

ago, honey, I love you, this is madness,

54:37

I want to be married to you, you know,

54:40

don't do this, I don't

54:42

want to be married to you in two different

54:44

worlds. So the normie is just like, no, shut

54:46

up or else. And then the second type of

54:49

spouse is one that is the normie

54:52

but they have grace. So

54:54

they allow you to have your obsession.

54:58

They don't want to really talk about it but

55:00

they're not going to break up things over it,

55:02

okay. And then the third one, which is the luckiest

55:04

one, they are married to a truther.

55:06

So you got two truthers and that's

55:08

fairly rare. What's the most

55:11

common is my situation. Yeah.

55:13

And I think a part of it for

55:15

me was going through this process very early.

55:18

I mean, I'm talking about this stuff in high

55:21

school and college and that's it's filtered into a

55:23

lot of my relationships from the ground up. It

55:26

wasn't some radical change I made

55:28

after making a commitment to a person and

55:30

starting a family and then taking it in

55:33

a different direction, which is kind of what

55:35

I meant by that earlier stuff. But really,

55:37

it's just that me and my wife might

55:39

not agree on every single thing top to

55:41

bottom, but we trust each other's discernment and

55:43

we trust each other's logical

55:46

process. And as

55:48

long as we always apply a similar

55:51

type of logic to various situations,

55:53

even if we're not exactly 100%

55:55

aligned, we can see where the

55:57

other is coming from. And

56:00

we have faith in each other that neither one of

56:02

us is going to radically disrupt

56:05

the ship and suddenly

56:07

become evangelical or trans

56:10

or any of the wild

56:12

things that could derail a

56:14

stable situation. And

56:16

I guess I'm very fortunate for that. And I

56:19

didn't necessarily calculate that

56:22

out. It just, I got

56:24

lucky, I guess I suppose. Yeah,

56:26

each situation is really different. Like there

56:28

was a next door neighbor that I had

56:31

who was a total truther. I mean, we

56:33

would have talks over the fence and

56:35

she'd be like, so do you know about the

56:37

project Bluebeam? I'm like, of course. Really?

56:41

And so she was down the rabbit

56:43

hole, but she had a husband who

56:45

was very successful. He had like 13

56:48

rental properties. He retired from Duke Energy.

56:50

They were living large and she didn't

56:52

say boo, okay, to

56:54

him or to kids. She was total

56:56

secret agent. And I totally understand. All

56:59

right. Me? I

57:01

told my wife and stuff and then after

57:03

a while I shut up. But I

57:06

was like, I got to go over here and

57:08

make videos. Okay. See what

57:10

I got was an ultimatum that I can't even

57:12

do that. I basically had to recant and

57:14

I was going to do it, but I had this kind of

57:16

a vision. It wasn't like a vision. I was

57:18

just sitting there and all of a sudden I

57:21

imagined Peter, the apostle Peter. Now this guy

57:23

was a fisherman, right? So he was just

57:25

doing life and it says Jesus

57:27

came along and said, follow me. I'll make you fish as

57:30

a man. 10 words. And

57:32

it's the next verse as he immediately dropped his nets

57:34

and followed. So this is what I imagined.

57:37

And then of course, Peter goes on to,

57:39

you know, be an apostle and you

57:41

know, all this stuff. Imagine

57:43

if he went back to his house and he's like,

57:46

honey, I met the Messiah

57:49

and I'm going to follow him. And she's like, what?

57:52

What are you talking about? How are you

57:54

going to provide for us? Uh, you're a fisherman. Your

57:56

father was a fisherman. Your grandpa, you're not going anywhere.

57:59

And what if Peter? went

58:01

like this. Yes,

58:03

dear. Yeah,

58:06

I guess the whole story would be different.

58:08

Yeah. But

58:11

yeah, man, it is about that time

58:13

where we wrap things up. I guess

58:15

I'd like to try to put a

58:17

finer point on the book's themes and

58:19

your message to the conspiracy-minded trying to

58:21

avoid these feelings of isolation, frustration, depression,

58:23

and all the rest of it. Stuff

58:26

that often does hit a bit harder

58:28

during the holidays in which we are in

58:31

the midst of. What would

58:33

you say in summary, advice

58:35

for the persecuted truther

58:39

as we get into the holidays and the end of

58:41

the world or end of the world, Freudian slip, end

58:43

of the year. Yeah, what would you

58:45

say? All right. Well, the book

58:47

is called The Conspiracy Theorist Survival Guide. You

58:49

can get it on Amazon. It's

58:51

available in audio or paperback. You

58:53

can also get it from my

58:55

website, wakeupforelse.com, and it's

58:58

a guidebook for persecuted truthers. It's

59:00

an emotional, spiritual, intellectual guide. It's

59:02

going to help validate your position,

59:04

give you guidance. It's really, people

59:06

say they can't put it down. If you're a truther, you're

59:09

going to love the book. Now, what

59:12

I would say in closing is being

59:14

a truther is kind of like going bald. Okay,

59:18

you can go bald and be

59:20

happy or you can go bald and

59:22

be obsessed and depressed about it. But either

59:24

way, you're going bald. Okay. I know that.

59:27

You're a truther, man. You're a

59:29

truther, lady. And there's nothing you can do

59:31

about it. You can't unsee what you see.

59:35

Right? So you can't put yourself back in the box

59:37

and go be a normie. So you're going

59:39

to have to figure out how to walk the

59:41

walk. And that's what I talk about on my

59:43

channel, Wake Up For Else. How do

59:46

you do this? Because this is a

59:48

nightmare. Okay, I cry every day.

59:51

Almost without exception. I cry every

59:53

day. And there's a lot of people. I

59:55

mean, I have reams of people that have posted,

59:58

John, my kids don't talk to me. John McKiddz,

1:00:00

don't talk. My

1:00:03

wife and I are ready for divorce. It's

1:00:06

universal. Your

1:00:08

exception, Greg, the impact of

1:00:11

finding out this stuff and

1:00:13

the pushback is universally the same. That's why

1:00:15

the book is so resonant.

1:00:19

You're going to see yourself in this book and you're

1:00:21

going to be laughing and you're

1:00:23

going to be like, oh my gosh, this is it. This

1:00:25

is what I'm doing. So

1:00:28

be encouraged, okay? Be encouraged. You're

1:00:30

not wrong. You're not crazy. It's

1:00:33

not your fault. It's the fault

1:00:35

of the normie. They're

1:00:37

dragging you through this crap storm. They

1:00:40

don't want to know and they should know.

1:00:42

The truth is not optional, okay? It's

1:00:45

not optional if you have integrity.

1:00:47

They're lying to themselves and

1:00:50

to you and then instead of dealing

1:00:52

with it, they're attacking you to shut

1:00:54

you up. It's really evil, okay? So

1:00:56

be encouraged. You're a good person and

1:00:58

the reason that you want to tell people about

1:01:00

what you found out is because you care. That's

1:01:04

a good attribute, okay? I

1:01:07

agree. Well said and it's hard

1:01:10

to not be bitter at the normies because

1:01:12

if they would get on board with us,

1:01:14

we could build a better world. The

1:01:17

only strength we have against the

1:01:19

cabal is our numbers. So when

1:01:22

they break us up into all these different

1:01:24

camps that fight amongst each other and

1:01:27

they keep the truth hidden, yeah,

1:01:29

it's hard not to be frustrated

1:01:32

because we know we could build a better world but

1:01:35

the people who should be aligned with us

1:01:37

to do so are still drinking the Kool-Aid.

1:01:39

Yes, that's a sad thing and

1:01:41

I really empathize for you. I absolutely

1:01:44

love the book and I understand exactly

1:01:46

the things you're talking about. It's not

1:01:48

that it hasn't happened on the periphery

1:01:50

of my life. It definitely has but

1:01:52

it just hasn't really affected

1:01:55

my core, you know, thank God

1:01:58

but I see it happen all the time. I know

1:02:00

people who have gone through this process. I

1:02:02

seriously empathize with it. And

1:02:05

it's just really sad to see because when

1:02:07

I think about the elites' plan

1:02:09

at the end of the day, it's to

1:02:11

divide us. So when we are

1:02:14

divided from our loved ones and our house

1:02:17

is divided against itself, well,

1:02:20

that seems like what they want ultimately.

1:02:22

And that's unfortunate that it happens because

1:02:25

when you look at how they've built wealth

1:02:27

through the generations, it is multi-generational. It's

1:02:30

putting their families in positions

1:02:32

of power. It's having a lot of

1:02:35

kids to cover the spread in a

1:02:37

certain sector and dominate. And

1:02:40

when we are separated from our wives

1:02:42

and kids, we can't do that. And

1:02:45

they love to see that. So

1:02:47

it sucks that awakening

1:02:50

can sometimes feel like one

1:02:52

step forward, two steps back in a

1:02:54

certain sense. Your story is

1:02:57

not over. The people listening, their stories are

1:02:59

not over. Maybe you've

1:03:01

been through a rough patch and a rough

1:03:03

couple of years, but maybe

1:03:05

the people in your life will

1:03:07

reach an awakening point and a

1:03:09

crisis of consciousness with their

1:03:12

worldview. And they will

1:03:14

immediately have the thought, huh,

1:03:16

maybe dad was right. Maybe my

1:03:19

brother was right. You know, these kinds of

1:03:21

things. And you'll be the first person on their list

1:03:23

to help them reconcile with their new

1:03:25

understanding of the world. So I wish

1:03:28

you the best. I hope that that

1:03:31

reality does manifest for you. I've

1:03:33

had a great time talking to you. We've laughed, we've

1:03:35

cried and no

1:03:37

family should be broken up over this or anything.

1:03:40

But I understand how it happens. Best of luck

1:03:42

out there. Congratulations on the book. Thanks for talking

1:03:44

to me and keep fighting the good fight. Greg,

1:03:47

thanks so much for having me. It was

1:03:49

a great interview. I really appreciate how you

1:03:52

handled the interview and I thank

1:03:54

your audience for receiving me and

1:03:57

appreciate the time to share my journey. Thanks

1:03:59

so much. Of course. Cheers. Ah,

1:04:04

happy holidays guys. Man,

1:04:08

I really did think this was

1:04:11

interesting and fun. I've

1:04:13

seen John popping up on a couple

1:04:15

other podcasts, so I'm glad that other

1:04:17

hosts are responding to his call as

1:04:19

well. The thought with

1:04:22

this one really was to talk about

1:04:24

how we approach these topics with other

1:04:26

people, how we

1:04:28

incorporate a conspiratorial view in our

1:04:31

lives, the common situations we might

1:04:33

find ourselves in, and

1:04:35

just showing a little solidarity in that

1:04:38

we all likely experience some of these

1:04:40

things to at least a

1:04:42

small degree. I've had

1:04:44

my worldview affect relationships, just

1:04:47

not really ones that

1:04:49

were as consequential as the ones in

1:04:51

John's life. And

1:04:53

I definitely was not trying to

1:04:55

flex or rub in how an

1:04:58

alternative mindset has improved my

1:05:00

life, but I really

1:05:02

was just trying to compare and contrast

1:05:04

our journeys with the listener in mind

1:05:08

in that spirit of the

1:05:10

thought that maybe these common

1:05:13

side effects of being red-pilled, as

1:05:15

they say, can

1:05:17

be an asset rather than a

1:05:19

liability. And I'm

1:05:21

not even trying to be an example.

1:05:23

I know that it's all the show

1:05:25

that I have to be thankful for,

1:05:27

and almost nobody is going to leverage

1:05:30

their enjoyment of alternative takes into their

1:05:32

new career as a podcast host. That's

1:05:35

not the point. But

1:05:37

it's a cliché in the conspiracy

1:05:39

subculture that it can wreck your

1:05:41

life and cause you to go

1:05:43

down a schizo-paranoid spiral. And

1:05:46

it is a cliché and a stereotype

1:05:48

because there is some truth there. It

1:05:50

definitely can do that. But

1:05:52

it also improves one's life in the simple

1:05:54

way that we don't get caught

1:05:57

up in the last round of

1:05:59

propaganda. And we

1:06:01

probably likely have healthier hearts after the

1:06:03

last few years. But

1:06:05

we also know how important it is

1:06:07

to limit our exposure to toxins and

1:06:09

eat a whole food all natural diet.

1:06:13

Through this process I think we've

1:06:15

learned to better appreciate and

1:06:17

lean into nature, grounding, good

1:06:19

sun, and just

1:06:21

divesting from the offerings of

1:06:23

the death-promoting industrial chemical system.

1:06:27

Social media, another thing I would hope

1:06:29

that we've learned to keep at arm's

1:06:31

length. There's a lot of stuff that we

1:06:33

learn about that is not actually all that controversial

1:06:36

and can be implemented without having

1:06:38

to explain anything big picture. And

1:06:41

by that standard, by that

1:06:44

metric, how is the knowledge,

1:06:46

if implemented, not an improvement

1:06:48

to one's literal life and

1:06:50

health? The only one we

1:06:52

have. It might hurt

1:06:54

us socially, but if a

1:06:56

lot of that data is on our side, then

1:06:58

it must result in an improved individual

1:07:01

life. But regardless

1:07:03

of how it affects some of our relationships,

1:07:05

we know you can't beat people over the

1:07:07

head with this stuff. There

1:07:09

is always the desire to share

1:07:11

new knowledge, as John mentioned. You

1:07:14

learn about a new topic and you just want to

1:07:16

talk to everyone about it. But

1:07:18

I think restraint is important.

1:07:22

It really does help me to have

1:07:24

a mindset of, I know

1:07:26

what I need to know, and I only

1:07:28

share with people who want to hear. I

1:07:32

don't mean to be condescending towards the other

1:07:34

people in my life, but

1:07:36

they have their own strengths and their own

1:07:38

qualities that I respect that I don't have,

1:07:41

and I love them for other reasons. I

1:07:44

think about a buddy I used to

1:07:46

have who was just obsessed with dubstep,

1:07:48

morning, noon, and night. Well

1:07:51

dude, I don't really like that stuff, so I

1:07:53

can't vibe with you on much else if that's

1:07:55

going to be the single dimension

1:07:58

to your life. I

1:08:00

like to think what we do here

1:08:02

is a little bit more important than

1:08:04

a digital musical genre, but

1:08:06

conceptually there's a

1:08:08

parallel there. The perspectives

1:08:11

we hear on this show I think

1:08:13

are important, but maybe we can find

1:08:15

better ways to represent the

1:08:17

truth. Maybe we can

1:08:20

just embody it rather than constantly

1:08:22

pontificating about it. I

1:08:25

shouldn't speculate on John's personal life because I

1:08:27

don't know anything more than what he shared

1:08:29

today, but is there

1:08:31

a world where John's family sees John

1:08:34

after a few years with new eyes,

1:08:37

looks around at the state of a lot of other people

1:08:39

in the world, and then looks

1:08:42

at John and thinks that

1:08:44

he seems like he's reached an

1:08:46

enlightened level of wisdom. He looks

1:08:48

as healthiest even. Maybe

1:08:50

it's obvious to them that he appears to

1:08:52

be the best version of himself they've ever

1:08:55

seen. Maybe they start

1:08:57

to think my dad is a person whose

1:08:59

advice and guidance I'd be lucky to have

1:09:01

access to, or

1:09:03

this version of my ex-husband

1:09:05

is so attractive to me now that I

1:09:07

worry that it's me who could never measure

1:09:10

up. I think

1:09:12

that option exists for John, and if

1:09:14

I find myself in a similar position

1:09:16

to him, I would like to think

1:09:19

that stepping into that would be my

1:09:21

highest priority. There

1:09:23

is something to be said about

1:09:25

the often overlooked, sometimes multi-generational ripple

1:09:27

effects of breaking up a family.

1:09:31

It certainly is what the big machine

1:09:33

likes to see happen, and I'm not

1:09:36

sure if it matters to them if

1:09:38

it's over fentanyl or false flag awareness.

1:09:41

The results are similar. But

1:09:44

you know, the flip side of that is that sometimes you

1:09:46

can't go back and do things differently. Consequences

1:09:49

last, and if that's the situation

1:09:51

we're in, we best recognize it

1:09:53

and move forward. Families

1:09:56

do break up all the time, and everyone ends up

1:09:59

in a different position. up thriving. I'm not

1:10:01

trying to be overly dramatic about this

1:10:03

either. I'm not even a nuclear family

1:10:05

or bust kind of person. I think

1:10:08

the reason it works so well is

1:10:10

because of the way our system and

1:10:13

culture is structured. And there might be

1:10:15

other ways, even better ways, but those kind

1:10:17

of changes are above our pay grade. The

1:10:20

point really for listeners is that

1:10:23

there are a thousand different ways

1:10:25

to process the rabbit hole and

1:10:27

to represent yourself. Maybe

1:10:29

think of yourself as the hidden background

1:10:31

wise man in the

1:10:33

lives of your loved ones.

1:10:36

A source of subtle influence.

1:10:39

You can actually get people to

1:10:41

move into the future with you

1:10:43

as if everything about the conspiratorial

1:10:46

mindset is true without

1:10:48

ever really having to get into it

1:10:50

like that. As Gordon has said, you

1:10:53

don't have to go any deeper with your neighbors

1:10:55

than do you think vegetables

1:10:57

will get better or worse in quality

1:10:59

over the next decade? And also

1:11:02

same question, what about price? Maybe

1:11:05

we should work together on this instead

1:11:08

of just being a victim of what

1:11:10

we see is going to be

1:11:12

a worse product that

1:11:15

costs more. And not

1:11:17

that my solution to everything is gardening either,

1:11:19

but a lot of

1:11:21

the major problems we have we can't

1:11:23

actually do much about. Just knowing doesn't

1:11:25

seem to affect change and

1:11:27

we're more likely to get ourselves erased

1:11:29

than we are to change anything, sorry

1:11:31

to say, but it goes

1:11:34

back to what are the actionable steps

1:11:36

in all this. What

1:11:38

are the things I can do now that

1:11:40

make my life and the world better that

1:11:43

don't hinge on waiting

1:11:45

for some great awakening? Anyway,

1:11:48

I hope this was useful if you ever

1:11:50

think about such things and John's book really

1:11:52

is a great one to have.

1:11:54

I think he had a good time. I hope

1:11:57

he gets some really great feedback and words

1:11:59

of encouragement from you guys. I

1:12:02

also have to say that I really

1:12:04

appreciate a guest who is sitting there

1:12:07

with a pen and paper jotting down

1:12:09

notes. I do that every time and

1:12:11

it's been years since I think any guest

1:12:14

also did that to my knowledge. So

1:12:16

big thanks to John. I wish him

1:12:18

well. The second hour was great

1:12:20

too. I hope you sign up for Plus

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to hear it along with all the shows

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of Christmas past and future that you've only

1:12:27

heard half of. Use

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the links right in your show notes. We

1:12:31

just updated them to be less annoying and

1:12:34

to ask you for less information. I

1:12:37

know most people are signing up on

1:12:39

their phones and I want it to be

1:12:41

the easiest sign up imaginable, right? Then we

1:12:44

both win. In higher

1:12:46

side news, the last episode with Rekluse

1:12:48

has certainly been a popular one. 4.8

1:12:50

rating from the Plus members

1:12:55

and the comments seem just as

1:12:57

complimentary. The man is thorough

1:12:59

and well-spoken and those are

1:13:01

two key ingredients for a good time in

1:13:03

a place like this. Let's

1:13:06

do the meetup calendar thing and I'll let you

1:13:08

get on with your day. December

1:13:11

16th we have the London

1:13:13

event at the Camden Beer

1:13:15

Hall. December 22nd, Sinspiracy 5

1:13:18

at Element Eatery in Cincinnati,

1:13:20

Ohio. And December

1:13:23

22nd is also the event

1:13:25

in Bulgaria that is a crossover

1:13:28

meetup with the No Agenda Show.

1:13:30

I think our recent Bulgarian

1:13:32

guest Dan Zusoko is gonna try to

1:13:34

be there. I'm jealous

1:13:36

already but there it is. Obviously this

1:13:38

episode is a great pitch for how

1:13:41

the meetup calendar can be useful and

1:13:44

it's there for you. You're welcome. I

1:13:47

am getting out of here. I've done my part.

1:13:49

Your move! Disenfranchised dissidents initiated

1:13:52

outcasts and truth bringing black

1:13:54

sheep of the families. Your

1:13:58

fucking move. I

1:14:00

will stay again until I get

1:14:02

you If it's all right, I'll

1:14:04

keep my mouth shut I will

1:14:06

stay again until I get you

1:14:08

I will stay while I fall

1:14:10

asleep Will the chair come? Will

1:14:13

it get you right? I will still

1:14:15

go on for a deep breath

1:14:17

I will go on for a day

1:14:19

of my life I will stay on for a day of my life

1:14:51

Yeah, the long way, daily process

1:14:54

All the phases, all the messes

1:14:57

How do you say you're gay? All

1:15:00

these things that I say God Tell

1:15:03

you the basics, they print your money

1:15:06

You're the man in your head, you're a thief Never

1:15:09

smiling, and you can't speak Or

1:15:11

the seventh, you didn't speak

1:15:25

It's a wonder, it's a wonder

1:15:28

It's a wonder, it's a wonder It's

1:15:31

a wonder, it's a wonder It's

1:15:34

a wonder, it's a wonder A man

1:15:37

in a dark In the

1:15:40

case of the General You're the

1:15:42

special soldier Now concerning the specification

1:15:44

of your local several-descent organization

1:15:48

The basement of any house or building

1:15:50

will become a good improvised shelter if

1:15:52

you block the windows with sandbags If

1:15:55

you don't have sandbags, just

1:15:57

what can you do? take

1:16:00

it under you

1:16:02

find me in the bunker you find

1:16:06

me in the bunker

1:16:11

find me in the bunker find

1:16:15

me in the bunker take

1:16:20

care of your phone night take

1:16:26

care of your phone night

1:16:55

you