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Music MAPS,

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Spring 2024. How's everybody doing?

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The MAPS conference is a three-day

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CME training course for practitioners,

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anyone that's working with kids and

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young adults. MAPS is the

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future of pediatrics with the goal

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of educating all

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practitioners across the country on how

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to properly treat kids

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with complex medical issues and special

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needs. We are here to help

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every child with special needs reach

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their full potential. We're trying to

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create this coalition of physicians who

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understand the needs of our

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patients in a more holistic

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or integrative way. When

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inflammation occurs in the brain, brain

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development stops. We have

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one in five children in our country

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with neurodevelopmental disorders. We have one

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in 36 children with autism. And

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so we're seeing a massive

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increase in children with chronic

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illness. There's a tremendous amount of

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science that we were never

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taught in medical school or science

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that we were taught in medical school

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that's been overridden by pharmacology.

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We're injecting nanoparticles into kids every

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time they get their injections. The

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aluminum nanoparticles are bound to bacterial

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and viral antigens, which

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means that not only are nanoparticles getting

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across the blood-brain barrier, but so are

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microorganisms. The bottom line is the traditional

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way of approaching things, the American Academy

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of Pediatrics, they've failed our kids in

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terms of our health care. So we

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need to be looking at what do

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we do? How do we take care

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of these kids? That's why we need

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MAPS because that's what we teach. Get

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to the foundation, get to the root.

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The idea is to expand your box

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of tools so that these

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children don't stay chronically ill and we

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can actually bring them to a more

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optimal form of health. here

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at MAPS really talking about the

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non-speaking population and hoping to shift

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the paradigm out there that non-speaking

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equals non-thinking. If they have difficulty

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with speech, they're generally all lumped

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into the same category as intellectually

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disabled. Once you give a reliable

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form of communication to a non-speaker,

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it turns out they're really

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pretty smart and they're very much able

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to make decisions about their own healthcare

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and their own futures. Hi, my

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life has been saved by doctors like you and

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I am grateful for all the extra effort

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you put into helping solve such

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a complex disorder. The speller's method,

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it's probably the biggest shift

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in the autism community to ever happen.

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This is something that I believe every

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practitioner needs to know about. Please

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take it from me. I am

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someone who had their life saved by the

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principles of functional and biomedical interventions. Before I

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got to MAPS, I didn't even know that

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non-speakers could speak. But that's what MAPS is

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about and that's what spellers is about, is

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in empowering these

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amazing human beings to

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share their light on the world so that

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we can all together make this a much

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greater place to live. What the families

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of special needs children really

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need are doctors on every corner.

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I know that we can beat this. We

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just need every doctor that really cares about

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our children to come to a MAPS conference.

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I think the world is really changing around

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this subject and one of the people that's

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making that happen, Dr. James Newins-Wander joins me

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now. Always an honor and

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a pleasure. Pleasure to be here, Del. Well,

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I mean you knew Jim, so let's just,

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you know, when something like that happens and

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it happens so quickly, there's several things that

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go through my mind. It makes us all

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think about, you know, could that

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be me? How does that happen? And I

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really think about all

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of the toxins in our environment, all the

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things that are going on. The fact that,

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you know, we are the sickest people in

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the world. industrial nation

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in the world. There are

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things in our food that aren't allowed in

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other countries. I, you know,

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questions I would wanna ask, did he get

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hepatitis B vaccines? I know when we were

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losing another great doctor, Dr. Tony Bark, and

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she says, as a doctor I got so

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many hepatitis B vaccines, I think

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those things are killing me now. And

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then you get into a system where you try to deal

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with it, and it just, as much as they act like

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they know what they're doing, medicine

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just seems blind. And,

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you know, and we're talking about

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chronic disease, which, for

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all of the pennies that people have

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dropped, and the little buckets at grocery

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stores, and the fundraisers, like we're not

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solving cancer, we're not fixing any of

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this stuff. What is going

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on? Are we, I mean, it just feels

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like we are looking at all the

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wrong places. Is this gonna be another five hour

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show, Del? It could be. What's going

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on? No, I mean, I

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think you hit on part of it, and

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it's this idea of, you know, we haven't

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changed. I mean, our genetics haven't changed. However

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long human beings have been on this planet,

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that hasn't changed. What's changed is the environment,

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the toxins that we put into our body,

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and then also what we eat, what we

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do to fight those toxins, because, I mean,

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things like lead and mercury, they've been

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with us forever. We have mechanisms, we

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have enzymes that are designed to detoxify

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lead and mercury. What we don't have

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are enzymes that are designed to detox

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PFOS, or designed to detox a dioxin,

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or something like that. Those are newer

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molecules that are very toxic. They're carcinogenic,

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and we really don't have great systems to

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detox them. I think PFOS, we have nothing,

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okay? And that's tough. Right, and we're talking

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about these forever chemicals that just are

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going to exist probably after

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we're all gone. Right, and so when

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you have a situation where

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you have cancer, I mean, you know,

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the strategy for the last at

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least 50, 60 years in treating cancer

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has been to use... surgery,

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which probably works if you can remove

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the tumor, then

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things that kill tissue. So either

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radiotherapy, radiation therapy, or chemotherapy. And

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the trouble with that is it's

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very hard to kill a tumor

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that is your genetics, right? I

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always say if you leave your

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tumor at a crime scene, they're

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going to bust you if they

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do genetic testing on it, right?

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So it's you, it's your genetics with

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some modifications, and somehow they're going to

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take a poison that's going to attack that

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and not kill you at the same

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time. So chemotherapy is going to go

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after every rapidly dividing cell in your

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body. That's why you lose your hair.

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That's why you get gastrointestinal problems. But

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the other rapidly dividing cells are your

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immune system. And what protects

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you against cancer? It's your

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immune system, right? And so I don't

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know. I don't want

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to pretend like I'm an expert at

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cancer because I'm not. But I do

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see cancer patients. I do know that

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there are pathways in cancer that you

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can target with medications like developed

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chemotherapy type medications. You can target them

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with off-label drugs. That's never popular because

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nobody has a patent on it. And

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you can target them with nutrients,

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with nutraceuticals, we call them. And

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then things that just support the body, that

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support your own nutrition. So there are multiple

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targets that you can use. The

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trouble is you go and there are studies out

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there that say if you see the oncologist

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and you see the integrative practitioner, you're

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going to do better than if you just see

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the oncologist. And the

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trouble is when you go see the

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oncologist, they have one tool in their

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toolbox. Now if

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what you have responds to that tool,

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hallelujah, praise the Lord. You have acute

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leukemia, chemotherapy works. You

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have most of the lymphomas, chemotherapy works

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for that. You have

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head and neck cancer, not so much. Okay?

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But that's the only tool they have in their toolbox.

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They have chemotherapy. of radiation and now they

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have immunotherapies but they're even reticent to use

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those even though they do work in head

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and neck cancer. You have to remember the

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vast majority of people that had head

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and neck cancer, it was because of

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tobacco use, right? But these days most

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people are not using tobacco anymore and

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so currently the main reason to develop

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head and neck cancer is supposed to

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be the human papillomavirus. It's actually a

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chronic viral irritation of the tissue that

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ultimately causes that cancer. So okay, that's

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right up the alley of what most

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integrative practitioners are looking at. Look at

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the root cause, if a virus causes,

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why can't we use some of our

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antiviral armamentarium to

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help with this in addition to whatever the

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oncologist or the radiation oncologist is gonna be

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using to treat the patient. And

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again, I don't know Jim's complete story. And by

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the way, I wanna be clear that I'm not

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making this, I have no idea what was

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wrong with Jim but it does bring up

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these questions because I have friends right now

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that are dealing with cancer and you're like, what do I do? I

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mean, obviously, people

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like Jim and Tony Bark know

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the best people and it doesn't always work out

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the way we want. The big thing

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that we use in medicine is fear,

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right? I mean, fear is what sold

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the pandemic, fear is what sold the

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vaccine, fear is what doctors use to

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sell you on what they

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want you to do. And again, you

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asked the question, are doctors in on

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it? I don't think doctors are inherently

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evil. And we've had this conversation before.

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I think we go into medicine because

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we wanna help people. I think we

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wanna do good, but I think we

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get brainwashed. But I can tell you

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that seeing how the system works and

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I know a lot of stuff. I understand

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how these systems work. I understand the biology

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of cancer and I understand the biology of

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chronic disease and what we can

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do about it. And yet I can sit there

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and listen to what some of these doctors are saying

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and they can convince me, oh,

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well maybe chemotherapy is the right way to go or maybe radiation is the

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right way to go. Even though I...

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know what the success numbers are, right?

10:03

So they're not going to come in and say, well

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gee, you know, you have

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cancer X and you don't have chemotherapy

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for it. It's got about a

10:11

15% success rate or a 10% success

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rate for your tumor, but we recommend

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you do that. They're going to come

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in and say, you have cancer X,

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we recommend chemotherapy and you need to

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start yesterday, right? They're going to use

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that fear because, I mean, at the

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end of the day, I can say,

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I don't have a fear of dying,

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but I'm not facing my own death

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today, right? So I don't know.

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Right, it does. You know, the decisions

10:36

we made, I had my moment that

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Jim covered for me for where, you

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know, I was thinking, well, I suppose I'm out

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of blood, not sure why you were part of

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helping me through that. I was like, I'm getting

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on a plane. You're like, don't get on a

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plane, Del! Don't get on a plane! Let's

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talk about the kids. It's a huge

10:56

part of what you do and we

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have, as I've said, just the sickest

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kids there are. It

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really is astounding that no one

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in government, none of our health

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agencies are addressing the elephant in

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the room. If you guys

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are so great at what you do with the

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regulatory agencies, something

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is causing this chronic disease

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epidemic and this is what I say. Like people say, you

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know, you're an anti-vaccine, you know, how do you know it's

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vaccines? Which is one of the things that I've focused a

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lot on. So let me be clear,

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I don't think it's just vaccines. I think, and

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they'll say, well, what about the air? What about the food?

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What about all the pesticides on our

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crops? Or the steroids and vaccines

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in our meat? Or the fluoride

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in our water? And I say,

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look, first of all, ICANN

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is investing in fighting

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for answers to all of those things. But let's

11:48

be clear, every one of

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those things, even the P-pass and all

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of it, have been approved and

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said to be safe by

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FDA, CDC, NIH, Health

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and Human Services. They exist and are

12:02

allowed to be used in this country

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because our regulatory agencies are saying, yeah,

12:06

nothing to see here, you know, go

12:09

on, no, give it to everybody, spray

12:11

it on everything. You can even breathe

12:13

it, you know, under your arm. And

12:16

clearly they're killing us. No,

12:18

and you know, you want to

12:21

fix healthcare in the United States, you got

12:23

to start with the kids, right? So, you

12:25

know, we have, and it's, the

12:27

numbers are just phenomenal when you look at them.

12:29

I mean, not just autism, you know, autism was

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maybe one in 10,000 when I went

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to medical school in 1981, right? You know,

12:37

now it's what, one in 36? You

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look at rates of autism are

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also delayed. I mean, if you look

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at this chart, when I

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say it was one in 10,000 in 1981, and

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it's one in 36, that's kids that were born

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in 2012, right?

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What's the rate of autism now? We have no idea.

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I put it on the graph, it's somewhere off the

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chart, right? Because we really don't know what that is.

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It could be one in 20, one in 15, one in

13:02

12. But even when you look at comparing maybe 1980 to

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where we're at now, it's not

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just autism, right? It's rates of

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asthma, it's rates of food allergies,

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right? I mean, everybody and their cousins

13:14

have food allergy. It's autoimmune disorders, it's type

13:16

one diabetes. And if you look at the

13:18

graphs for these, I mean, even food allergies,

13:20

because it's just been recent. I mean, this

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graph shows, this doesn't go back to 1980.

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I think this goes back to 2007. But

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if you look at the last 10 years, it's just

13:30

gone through the roof. And the graph on the

13:32

right, in case the adults say, well, I'm

13:34

not a kid. I mean, these are things

13:36

that used to sound so rare, like, oh

13:38

my God, your body's attacking itself? That's strange,

13:40

off the charts, rheumatoid arthritis. And

13:42

Crohn's disease used to be Ashkenazi

13:45

Jewish old men, correct? I'm

13:47

not being racist here. We take it

13:49

out of context these days, but that's where we, and now

13:51

it's children. Right, and

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the reason why autism rates went up is

13:56

because we're better at diagnosing it. Are we

13:58

better at diagnosing Crohn's disease? I mean

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come on are we better at diagnosing

14:03

a food allergy? No, it's that they're

14:05

more prevalent so then you look at

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okay, what about the Health

14:10

of kids just like we're supposed to

14:12

be this great country in terms of

14:14

taking care of our kids What about

14:16

simple things like infant mortality? I mean,

14:18

you know What is the death rate

14:20

for kids under one year of

14:22

age in the United States and compared to the

14:24

rest of the world? Okay, I mean this chart

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there's more babies dying on the first day of

14:28

life in America than all the other industrialized

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nations Absolutely, look women

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dying while giving birth. Absolutely. I mean you

14:35

would think we're in this Serengeti You know,

14:37

it's a hundred and thirty degrees outside and

14:39

there's not a pail of water in sight

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That's about your odds here in America. I

14:44

mean we were there's there's 29 wealthy nations

14:47

We're number 35 on that list if you look

14:50

at kids under five, you know mortality for kids

14:52

under five We're number 45. Yeah,

14:54

so we're number 36. Yeah, and

14:56

we're behind you know, we're behind China. We're

14:59

behind Russia We're behind Croatia. We're behind remain

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by all means let us write all the

15:03

regulations and hand the WHO and say this

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is what the rest The world needs to

15:07

do this is follow our lead This is

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what really pisses me off is is it's

15:12

not just children I mean if you look

15:14

at health outcomes for the United States for

15:16

everybody you compare them to those 30 industrialized

15:18

nations I mean this graph is great because

15:20

you can see most of them are clustered

15:22

up there Yeah, then who's you

15:24

got Switzerland and then you have Canada and then you

15:27

fall off the chart and that's the United States Right

15:29

and guess what kids we spend more money

15:31

on health care than anybody else, right? We

15:33

spend 50% more I

15:35

mean we put you in contact with

15:37

your doctor more often than every other

15:39

country that does better than you right

15:42

and we are The most vaccinated we

15:44

use the most drugs we have like

15:46

you were talking about these toxins You

15:48

know, there's a list of 1015 toxins

15:50

that they've been targeted for elimination. I

15:52

don't know 15 years now They're not

15:54

used in the rest of the industrialized

15:56

world, but we still use them things

15:58

like atrazine. I mean, this is horrible

16:00

for the hormones and how

16:02

it disrupts everything. And then this gets

16:04

into our kids. And again,

16:06

if your solution is a pharmaceutical,

16:08

you're missing the point. And

16:11

the idea that your kid

16:13

has asthma, well, why does your kid have asthma? I

16:15

don't know, only bad luck. I mean, really,

16:18

that's a biochemical basis for the disease?

16:20

Has no background in your family. Nobody

16:22

else ever had it. I

16:24

remember when I really started getting into this, I

16:27

was working on the Doctor of Television show on

16:29

CBS and

16:31

I did a story on, I think it was

16:33

Triclosan, or Triclosan, which was a product that was

16:35

in our toothpaste. It was in soaps and things

16:37

like that. And there

16:39

was studies showing that it is

16:42

altering your DNA. It's actually changing

16:44

your DNA. And obviously that's

16:46

problematic, not something you want your toothpaste to

16:48

be doing. And I remember reporting on the

16:51

story and when I did the investigation, too,

16:53

it was amazing as FDA finally said, there

16:56

are enough studies showing that

16:58

this is altering the DNA and children of people

17:00

and everybody using it in Colgate and Crest and

17:02

they were all using it. And

17:04

so the FDA said, so we're

17:07

gonna allow you a year to

17:10

prove that the benefits of in

17:12

your product outweigh

17:14

the fact that it's altering your DNA and

17:16

didn't take it off the market. And really,

17:18

if you didn't catch the one headline, which

17:20

I did to do a story on it,

17:22

you're just brushing away while the companies try

17:24

to figure out how do we make it

17:28

that this chemical that's mutating

17:30

your DNA still

17:34

has such a great benefit. I mean, this is how

17:36

they think and how they work instead

17:38

of making the company say, go take it

17:40

off the market. We're gonna destroy billions of

17:42

vials of this crap. Yeah, you're gonna pay

17:44

for it. Probably should have done the science.

17:46

It's just a disaster. So what is maps?

17:49

So when I think about all this contact

17:52

of doctors, we are in contact with our

17:54

doctors. We're more involved in medicine in America

17:56

than any other nation in the world. And

17:58

we are the sickest there are. Now, the

18:00

math says to me, doctors are

18:02

the problem, at least they're one of the problems. MAPS

18:05

is trying to not be the problem. What are you

18:07

doing differently? Well, we're... Okay, so

18:09

we sort of have the... If

18:11

you look at the AAP, what's the

18:14

mission of the American Academy of Pediatrics?

18:16

It's really to promote

18:19

the health, the mental, physical,

18:21

and social health of infants,

18:24

children, adolescents, and young adults. So MAPS

18:26

is looking at that same population, but

18:28

we're not just looking at promoting the

18:30

health, we're looking at identifying

18:34

and treating the underlying causes of

18:36

that problem. So if

18:38

you walk in my office and

18:40

you're flapping and you're not speaking

18:43

and you have rashes

18:45

and you're constipated and you don't

18:47

sleep and you come

18:49

in with a diagnosis of autism, I'm

18:52

not going to use that diagnosis as

18:54

how I treat. So

18:56

I'm going to look at each kid individually

18:58

and say, okay, what is the road that

19:00

got you here to this diagnosis? Well,

19:03

let's start with your mom. What happened when she

19:05

was pregnant? Was she sick? Did

19:07

she have any fillings replaced? Did she have

19:09

any vaccines done? Did she have

19:11

any antibiotics? What were the circumstances

19:13

of the birth? Was

19:16

it a C-section? Was it a vaginal birth?

19:18

Were there antibiotics? Were there other things happening?

19:20

Did that baby get vaccinated in the first

19:22

day of life or not? Because it does

19:24

make a difference. You can say what you

19:26

want, but there is a difference in timing

19:28

of these vaccines when they're presented. And then

19:30

how was that baby fed? Was that baby

19:32

breastfed from the breast? Was that baby bottle

19:35

fed with breast milk? Was that baby bottle fed

19:37

with, you know, infant

19:39

illness, formula type stuff? Did

19:41

that baby develop ear infections? Was

19:44

that baby fussy? Was that baby colicky? All

19:46

those kinds of things. Because you're

19:48

going to be able to classify these kids into

19:50

different categories. This is an immune kid. This is

19:52

a gut kid. This is a kid that has

19:55

encephalitis. A lot of kids on the spectrum. I

19:57

mean, one of the first times I was on

19:59

your show, we talked about it. article, this was

20:01

D'Assasio back before the

20:03

pandemic, but what he showed, it was

20:05

an autopsy article, and what he showed

20:08

was that almost 70% of

20:10

kids on the spectrum had

20:12

inflammation of their brain on

20:14

autopsy, and that inflammation wasn't

20:16

from a virus, it was

20:18

autoimmune. So if 65 to 70% of

20:22

these kids have autism because

20:24

it's autoimmune encephalitis, why

20:26

are we treating that with Abilify? That's

20:29

a psychiatric drug, that's not going to treat

20:31

the underlying problem. So we're looking at what's

20:33

actually going on. I remember a mom, I

20:35

always like to say this, said to me,

20:37

maybe a year or two ago, and she

20:39

said, you know, Del, vaccines didn't cause my

20:42

child's autism. Vaccine caused my

20:44

child to have a brain

20:46

swelling event, encephalopathy, and

20:48

the result of that encephalopathy, and it

20:50

would be a symptom that I think

20:52

we call autism, that symptom could have

20:55

been Tourette's, it could have been ADD,

20:57

ADHD, but it's a brain damage from

20:59

the swelling of the brain that has

21:01

a symptom. Do you think that's a way

21:03

to look at it? Yeah, absolutely. And again,

21:05

we look at, and it's, you know, MAPS

21:08

isn't just about autism, MAPS is really about

21:11

chronic childhood illnesses, you know, complex

21:13

kids. So whether it's autoimmunity

21:15

or it's asthma, or it's autism, it's ADD,

21:17

whatever the neural development of the problem will

21:19

be, I mean, you know, I just saw

21:22

a study that said something like 18-20% of

21:24

kids have a neural development problem

21:28

now. That's a good question, because I always

21:30

say, you know, when I'm giving my talks, I'll

21:32

say, you know, that 60% of

21:35

our children now are in a chronic

21:38

illness category that's either autoimmune disease or

21:40

neurological disorders. In your work,

21:42

though, how much of the neurological disorders

21:44

are actually autoimmune? Well, you're

21:47

drawing a line that it's

21:50

not a line, it's overlapping

21:52

Venn diagrams, you know, because

21:54

a lot of neurologic disorders

21:56

are autoimmune, or they're

21:58

inflammatory, or they're relatable. the gut,

22:00

you know, there's the gut-brain-immune connection,

22:02

you can't really separate those things

22:04

out. So that's why you

22:06

have to look at the whole child. You have

22:09

to use systems biology. You can't come in and

22:11

say, you have an ear infection, it's caused by

22:13

this bug, let me kill the bug, because that's

22:15

the AAP approach. And again, under the auspices of

22:18

the AAP, despite their mission statement,

22:20

they have failed miserably at what they're trying

22:22

to do. Because all that

22:24

has gotten worse. And again, that over

22:27

50% number is because a lot of

22:29

kids have obesity, right? That's what really kicks

22:31

them over 50 and 60. But

22:34

even obesity has been shown

22:36

to be related

22:38

to toxicity, right? So if

22:41

you are a toxic person,

22:43

you're much more likely to have obesity, type

22:45

two diabetes, all that sort of stuff, whether

22:47

you're a kid or adult. You know, and

22:49

if you're born with this stuff and you

22:51

have a predisposition, you're much more likely to

22:53

develop that early on in life and not

22:55

wait till your 40s to get

22:57

the beer gut. And that's gonna

22:59

happen when you're sex, right? Is MAPS really in the work

23:01

you're doing? Is this something people watch right now? Is

23:03

this for doctors? What does

23:05

a regular person want to know

23:07

or need to know about MAPS? We're really looking, look, I

23:10

always say, we got a

23:12

battle going on here, right? I mean, we

23:15

just have a battle for our children's health

23:17

and it's not just our children's, our adult's

23:19

health. It's for people like Jim. It's like

23:21

we have a battle going on and we

23:23

have this system that's entrenched and well-financed and

23:26

really driven by this pharmaceutical point of view.

23:28

I mean, for every problem, there's a pharmaceutical

23:30

to correct it. So really

23:33

what I'm trying to do is raise an

23:35

army. I mean, this is sort of the

23:37

image I have. I need an army, not

23:39

just of doctors. I don't just need MDs

23:41

and DOs. I need any practitioner. I always

23:43

say if you got a certificate on the

23:45

wall and you see kids in your office,

23:47

you should be a part of MAPS because

23:49

we train practitioners to understand these principles, these

23:54

principles of root cause medicine. Don't treat

23:56

the symptom up here with the antibiotic

23:58

for the ear infection. treat it

24:00

down here with the fact that this kid is

24:02

sensitive to dairy and the dairy's keeping them congested

24:04

and they're not draining their ears. And if the

24:06

ears plug up, eventually some bacteria is gonna cause

24:08

problems or some virus because most of them are

24:10

viral. But if we can

24:12

fix it down here, you never have to ask

24:14

the question, which antibiotic should I use? Because they're

24:17

not gonna get the ear infection in the first

24:19

place. I mean, that's the approach, right? And it's

24:21

so, it's for- Should someone be seeing a MAPS

24:23

doctor if their child is, like, is there a

24:25

replacement for pediatrics? Do we go and do I

24:27

just say, my kids

24:30

healthy, I wanna keep them from going

24:32

into that space? That's an interesting question.

24:34

I mean, unfortunately, there's not enough

24:36

of it. My goal was eventually,

24:38

yeah, that there would be enough MAPS doctors

24:40

that you could do that. Because parents are

24:43

always saying, well, what about my well child

24:45

visits? It's like, what's

24:47

a well child visit? Right, right. Because basically it's

24:49

a vaccine appointment, right? I remember I read

24:52

Jarvik's, the guy that made the Jarvik's

24:54

heart like the first artificial heart. I

24:56

just randomly read an article and

24:59

the whole article was how he said, if

25:01

you are not sick, don't go

25:03

to a doctor. He says, I just wanna

25:05

be perfectly clear, going to get checkups, going

25:08

to get like, he's like all of it,

25:10

you know, prostates, he was against all

25:12

of it. When you go to a doctor, they

25:15

will start you on a path that

25:17

will ultimately end more likely in

25:19

your demise than doing any good for you. I mean, it

25:21

was just a shock. I mean, you know. Well, again,

25:24

what medicine is really good at is acute

25:26

care, right? We're really good at, you know,

25:28

you got a gunshot wound, you got acute

25:31

leukemia, you're having a heart attack. We're very

25:33

good at that. That's what medicine shines at,

25:35

right? And I always say, you know, if

25:37

I'm in a car accident, I lacerate my

25:39

liver, I don't want a homeopath, I want

25:41

a surgeon, right? You know, I want acute

25:43

care. But what we are awful at

25:45

is chronic care. And the reason for

25:47

that is the medications, the interventions we

25:50

use, all have toxicity associated with it,

25:52

right? Risk benefit, you gotta weigh the boat to

25:54

determine how you're gonna put a patient on it.

25:56

Well, it's one thing if you're gonna put a

25:58

patient on something for two weeks. Now,

30:00

I don't think she's lying. I

30:02

think she honestly believes that they

30:04

don't cause autism. She has faith. You got to

30:06

hand it to her. I do. And

30:09

it's the power. She has faith. It's the

30:11

power of that system. She believes. She does

30:13

believe. She believes. Somebody say,

30:15

hallelujah. But it

30:17

is, I mean, that's what we're up against.

30:19

Yes. You know, we are

30:21

up against a machine that somehow has

30:23

managed to brainwash

30:26

very intelligent human beings. Right. You

30:30

can't do that in medical school if you're stupid. So

30:32

these are very intelligent human beings and able

30:34

to brainwash them to the point of which

30:37

where she would defend that to the death.

30:39

She burned at the stake rather

30:41

than admit that they caused autism. Right. Because

30:44

that's what I feel like it was a good death.

30:46

I mean, like really, I did my service to humanity.

30:49

I think I mean, I know there's people I'm sure

30:51

the comments are going, Del, you guys are crazy. You're

30:55

sick, twisted human beings. No, look, you know, I

30:57

don't I don't even want to go to bed.

30:59

I don't want to go there. Right. You

31:01

know, I mean, you know, if we can change the CDC grade, if

31:03

we can change the NIH grade, and certainly there

31:06

is a certain presidential candidate probably can do

31:08

that. But really, what

31:10

I'm looking at is what can I do in the

31:12

system that we have now? And

31:14

that's where we need people

31:17

to come to maps. And I'm

31:19

looking for, you know, I know

31:21

I'm preaching to the choir on your show for

31:23

the most part, but what I'm looking for, you

31:25

know, parents, tell your doctors. I mean, you can

31:27

tell if your doctor's burned out, if your doctor's

31:30

frustrated. I can't imagine being a pediatrician, seeing a

31:32

patient every five to 10 minutes, knowing that that

31:34

the kid you're putting the antibiotics on, they're going

31:36

to be back in two months for another round

31:38

of antibiotics because you haven't done anything for why

31:40

they have it. You know that if you've been

31:42

in practice more than 10 years, you know that.

31:44

Right. And those are the people we

31:47

want to bring over. We're not crackpots. We teach

31:49

science. So if you're a doctor out there, you

31:51

got a kid coming on on third round of

31:53

antibiotics, you're thinking, boy, this doesn't make a whole

31:55

lot of sense. We need to

31:57

make a shift. Right. And it's not just, again,

31:59

it's not just body,

34:00

right? Is

34:03

that out there in the future of MAPS?

34:05

Is it possible somewhere out in the future

34:07

you're like, I want that type of doctor.

34:10

They should have their own licensing system. The

34:12

issue with the licensing is

34:14

that the licensing is intimately

34:16

tied into ordering testing. And

34:18

if you do need pharmaceuticals,

34:20

that's with the licensing. So

34:22

you pretty much would need

34:24

a completely parallel system

34:27

of medicine where you have your

34:30

license through the system, you

34:32

can order labs through the system, you

34:34

can order medications through the system. So

34:36

you'd have to have an entire system. That's

34:39

more than I can bite

34:41

off right now. But again, what I'm

34:43

trying to do is within what we

34:45

have right now, within the hierarchy

34:48

and the regulations of what we have

34:50

right now, what can we do to

34:52

train practitioners to get better outcomes? I

34:54

mean, what would the future look like

34:56

if we had a bunch of kids

34:58

that were eating the way they're supposed

35:01

to, that were detoxified, that weren't having

35:03

their immune systems blasted out of the

35:05

water, that weren't being fed antibiotics at

35:07

the drop of a hat, that weren't

35:09

being put on pharmaceuticals because

35:12

they're depressed and you're not looking at the

35:14

why and you're just throwing a drug at

35:16

them. What would that future look like to

35:18

have those kids grow up and become healthy

35:20

adults? What would that do to the price,

35:22

the cost that we are paying for medicine,

35:25

for our medical care and maybe move us up

35:27

because we weren't always at number 37 or 38,

35:30

right? We were at the top at one

35:33

point. Yeah, but that was before we now

35:35

have a pharmaceutical industry that has a stranglehold

35:37

of that. Well, we gave drug versus we

35:39

didn't do what you were doing, which it

35:41

used to be honestly, you go

35:43

and talk to, what's

35:46

Dr. Sears, the father of the family that?

35:49

Yeah, Bob's father. Huh? Yeah,

35:51

but I mean, back when doctors actually talked

35:53

to the patient, listen to the patient, Andy

35:55

Wakefield talks about this. We used to be

35:57

taught to listen to the patient. knows

36:00

best. They're gonna give you the information you need that no one

36:02

else knows. Now it's like they

36:04

blame society for being doctor at

36:06

Google. All of our doctors are doctor at Google.

36:08

It's like, oh, autism, like you said, autism, beep,

36:10

all right, here take this drink. If that makes

36:12

you sick, add this one to it. I mean,

36:14

it's just it's what it's become. How do we,

36:17

where's the next conference at? Well, the next conference

36:19

is gonna be in Scottsdale, in

36:21

September. It's gonna be the fifth through

36:24

the seventh. Beautiful place. It's actually

36:26

a great place to bring families in the fall. So we do like that

36:28

one. It is gorgeous. Yeah. And

36:30

the and the setup for this is gorgeous. It's

36:32

got a couple of pools. They each have their

36:34

own bar and food area. But

36:36

the the conference is gonna be for doctors still

36:38

drink once in a while. Okay. This is the

36:40

crazy back backward

36:46

world we have, right? If you look at

36:49

the top causes, reversible causes of mortality, right?

36:51

Number one is whether or not you smoke.

36:53

Smoking being bad. Right. Number actually, I'm sorry.

36:55

Number one is your vitamin C level. That's

36:58

what you eat. Oh, wow. Okay. Number two

37:00

is whether or not you smoke. Smoking being

37:02

bad. The number three for men is

37:04

alcohol. Okay. And number four is exercise.

37:07

Number three for women is exercise. Number

37:09

four is alcohol. Alcohol being a positive,

37:11

you live longer if you drink, right?

37:14

And the reason why there's a difference between

37:16

men and women is alcohol causes prostate cancer

37:18

and breast cancer. Men tend not to die

37:20

of prostate cancer. Women do die of breast

37:22

cancer, right? So I always tell my male

37:24

patients, you know, you've got a choice between

37:26

the bar and the gym, go to the

37:28

bar first cause you'll live longer. It's

37:31

not that alcohol is healthy. Okay. Okay.

37:33

Very clearly, it's not all I drink

37:35

rent one, it's resveratrol, it's an antioxidant.

37:37

It's like I drink martinis and I

37:39

get the same benefit. It's

37:43

because it relaxes you. It

37:45

is the cost of that stress

37:48

response being turned on 24 seven

37:50

all the time. You do it right here.

37:53

Yeah, that's

37:55

what I'm saying. There are other ways to get the benefit. You

37:57

know, the martini is the quick way, but yeah, it's a little

38:00

If we want to donate or do anything, if

38:02

we want to get involved with you, what's your

38:04

website? Yeah, so the website for maps is medmaps.org.

38:06

We actually have a You

38:09

can click on a To

38:15

donate, you know and then also because we're

38:17

just trying to get our footing financially We're

38:20

also appealing to anybody out there that is interested

38:22

in supporting this cause, you know people that have

38:25

been fortunate in life And yeah and have money

38:27

that they want to donate, you know, we are

38:30

looking for larger donors that can help us get

38:32

our feet on the ground So

38:35

we can hit the ground running so, you know, I'm

38:37

really excited about the future. Our growth has been like

38:39

this, too I mean our growth looks like the autism

38:41

growth. Yeah, that's what I mean the needs like this

38:44

And so I mean and everyone I know that's

38:47

whether you were mainstream or not you come up

38:49

you run into a dead end You're told there's

38:51

nothing I can do. We've given them all the

38:53

drugs we can think of. Sorry, your kids not

38:55

doing better A lot how

38:57

cancer goes you and then moving into

38:59

other spaces So you're you know, there's

39:01

a huge need and there's plenty of

39:03

work there Well, and I just you know glad

39:06

you mentioned that because I just want to put on

39:08

a plug I mean I you know, I came here

39:10

to talk about maps and what we're doing with the

39:12

kids But you know Jim's death has affected all of

39:14

us and and and it's been tough I mean, I

39:16

wasn't that close a friend of his I knew him,

39:18

you know, I'd been on the stage with him I

39:20

knew his work. I knew his passion But

39:23

the whole thing with with something

39:26

as complex as as cancer, you

39:28

know, don't get one opinion You

39:30

know don't rely strictly on your

39:32

oncologist number one. Sorry Yeah consult

39:34

back to Google but also consult

39:36

an integrative practitioner that Understands

39:38

cancer because there may be things you can

39:41

do to improve outcomes even When

39:43

they say there's nothing we can do

39:45

and don't wait until you're at death's

39:47

door to do something like that You

39:49

know and that's what I really I

39:51

think is tragedy because most

39:53

of these chemo Wrenchments wipe

39:55

out your ability to fight the cancer in

39:57

the first place and if they work great

40:00

But if they don't work, what are

40:02

you left with? I

40:04

love that you're out there paving the new old way of

40:07

medicine. It's

40:10

so important. It's a cartel now. It's a

40:12

drug cartel that you're up against. So

40:15

if anyone's out there, if you're out there and

40:18

you've done well in life, this is

40:20

really a worthy cause. It is another

40:22

way that we can fight for our

40:25

future. There it is, medmabs.com. There's a

40:27

QR code. Keep up the great work.

40:30

Thank you so much. I appreciate it. You're

40:33

one of my confidants, people that I

40:35

lean on many, many times.

40:38

I'm just really honored to be with you,

40:40

my friend. The feelings are mutual, though.

40:44

As I like to say, when things get dark, I

40:46

turn on the High Wire. Good. Let's

40:48

keep it that way. I'm glad Vodar reminded me we

40:50

all got a laugh. Yes, we do. It

40:53

all starts to get ridiculously

40:55

scary.