0:01

I keep saying, you know,

0:03

they're using health and science as a

0:05

weapon, this concept of health. No

0:07

one saw it coming when we started doing this work

0:09

at the high wire. We were all alone. There was

0:11

nobody reporting on the dangers of vaccines. Long before COVID,

0:14

we started the show at the end of 2016 and

0:16

into the beginning

0:18

of 2017 because

0:20

what we're finding in the work that we

0:22

were doing with Aaron Siri about the actual

0:24

testing going on, that there was things that

0:26

no one knew about and it could only

0:28

be revealed by suing the government of the

0:31

United States. But what if

0:33

you worked with the government? What if

0:35

you were on the inside? What if

0:37

you, you know, grew up believing, you

0:39

know, that the future, you know, had

0:41

to do with virology and immunology and

0:43

you studied it and you were doing

0:45

this great work and creating amazing vaccines

0:48

and maybe even dabbling a little gain

0:50

of function or watching it happen and

0:52

recognizing what's going on and suddenly you

0:54

realize, oh my god, I'm

0:57

surrounded by morons and

0:59

I think they might just destroy the world.

1:03

I might be overstating it but I'm gonna let him

1:06

tell you all about himself. I'm talking about Robert

1:08

Malone. An internationally

1:11

recognized physician. A scientist, an

1:13

author, a speaker, a bioethicist,

1:15

the global clinical research scholar

1:18

at Harvard Medical School. He

1:20

holds 10 patents, his

1:23

published works have over 7,000

1:25

clinical citations. One of the bravest voices

1:28

in the medical community speaking

1:30

out against censorship. And the

1:32

inventor of mRNA vaccine technology,

1:35

Dr. Robert Malone. The apparently very

1:37

dangerous, Dr. Robert

1:40

Malone. Welcome Dr. Robert

1:42

Malone. I spent

1:44

30 years as a scientist and

1:46

as a physician developing vaccines, including

1:48

the core technology that gave rise

1:51

to these mRNA vaccines. I'd spent

1:53

my whole career in vaccines. I

1:55

literally invented mRNA vaccine

1:57

technology when I was a... I

2:00

was working at the California Regional Primary Research

2:03

Center with my wife, trying

2:05

to develop this tech and test

2:07

it in non-human primates as well

2:09

as mice, and we could not

2:11

overcome the toxicity. Our top expert

2:13

in gain-of-function research, a

2:16

former project manager at DARPA, he called me

2:18

up and said, hey Robert, we got a

2:20

problem. This novel coronavirus

2:23

looks that's circulating here in

2:25

Wuhan looks like it's going

2:27

to be a problem. He did a threat assessment,

2:30

made a decision that once again, like

2:32

Wazika, there was no way to develop

2:34

a vaccine in time to really mitigate

2:36

the risk. What we needed

2:38

to focus on was a repurposed drug,

2:41

so that's pretty much what I did

2:43

largely with DOD funding. What I originally

2:45

highlighted when I kind of came out

2:47

of the closet metaphorically on the

2:49

COVID crisis is the

2:52

gross ethical failures that were ongoing.

2:54

I'm a scientist, I'm committed to

2:56

this, and I'm committed

2:59

to medical ethics.

3:01

Unfortunately, we've politicized the situation

3:03

and we didn't need to,

3:06

and we really should have been focusing

3:08

on the science, and now the science

3:11

is making it clear that these vaccines

3:13

are no longer making sense. It has

3:15

been a sharp shock for

3:18

me to come to terms

3:20

with what modern propaganda and

3:22

media manipulation really means.

3:24

You cannot underestimate the

3:26

absolute lack of any

3:29

morality on the part

3:31

of these people that are promoting these false

3:33

narratives. There are no boundaries. This

3:35

executive branch has invested over

3:37

one billion dollars in

3:40

promoting these narratives in social

3:42

media and in the

3:44

legacy media. When you have a

3:47

society that has become decoupled from

3:49

each other and has

3:51

free-floating anxiety, in a sense

3:53

that things don't make sense. We

3:55

can't understand it. And then

3:57

their attention gets focused by a leader or a leader.

4:00

series of events on one small

4:02

point just like hypnosis, they

4:05

literally become hypnotized and can be led

4:07

anywhere. We're gonna be living with the

4:10

consequences of this in so many different

4:12

dimensions for not just our

4:14

generation, you're talking about your children, my

4:16

grandchildren are gonna be

4:19

living with it in so many

4:21

different ways. It's it's profound what

4:23

we've done. The truth is like

4:25

a lion. You don't have to defend

4:27

it. Let it

4:29

loose. It will defend itself. Well

4:36

he's an immunologist, a vaccinologist, a

4:39

molecular virologist, a pathologist and a

4:41

physician and he's also one of

4:43

the inventors of the mRNA technology.

4:46

It's my honor and pleasure to

4:48

be joined right now by Dr.

4:50

Robert Malone. Welcome back. Thank you.

4:53

It's really good to have you.

4:55

It's been a while. Yes

4:57

it has. I've seen you out

4:59

on the speaking circuit. We've been doing a

5:01

lot of things and clearly by that montage

5:03

you have been a busy man. Yeah. But

5:06

we find ourselves in this

5:08

incredible time and

5:10

in some ways I would say the public

5:12

has been educated in

5:14

a way that has been very

5:17

helpful in that concepts like you

5:19

know immunology, virology, vaccine development, gain

5:21

of function is now something that

5:23

at least on a cursory level

5:25

your average person watching the news

5:28

knows a little bit about which

5:30

makes this conversation a little bit

5:32

easier. But they don't seem I

5:34

think we're just because also well I know

5:36

they just let it roll off but

5:39

you have both been a part

5:41

of the process around virology, immunology,

5:43

working with pathogens like this, how

5:46

to stop them, how they're created

5:48

but you've also been inside

5:51

and seeing how the government thinks about this

5:53

and Department of Defense. So for people that

5:55

maybe have brand new you know followers and

5:57

watching the show every day just very quick.

10:00

The little guys who were the

10:02

innovators coming up with new solutions

10:04

and understanding new technology didn't

10:06

understand how to write federal

10:09

contracts and win them and

10:11

maintain them. So I

10:13

became that person basically to enable

10:15

innovation from the small guys to

10:18

compete in the same arena as the

10:20

big boys. And I did

10:22

it quite successfully and that people criticized

10:24

that I made so much money. No,

10:26

I'm sorry. Working as a consultant

10:29

is pretty much a hand to mouth existence.

10:32

But I did win literally billions of

10:34

dollars for my clients. And

10:36

I think we did a lot of good

10:38

work, including into the COVID crisis. Work

10:42

with Ebola. I was at the tip

10:44

of the spear in bringing forth the

10:46

Ebola vaccine for a small company in

10:49

Iowa that eventually sold

10:51

it off to Merck and that's the

10:54

licensed Ebola vaccine for what it's worth.

10:57

It's not a great vaccine, but in the

10:59

face of Ebola, it's better than nothing. And

11:04

worked on repurposing drugs for Zika.

11:07

And then along comes this

11:10

COVID crisis. And

11:13

I again did a threat assessment, as was

11:15

mentioned in one of those clips, and determined

11:17

that there was no way that you could

11:20

build a safe and effective vaccine against this

11:22

coronavirus because no one had ever built a

11:25

safe and effective human vaccine for

11:27

coronavirus. It evolves too quickly. It's

11:30

too slippery. It has too many ways of

11:32

evading immune responses. And that

11:34

what we needed to do was focus on repurposed drugs. And

11:36

so I pulled together a team and that's what we did.

11:39

We focused on repurposed drugs,

11:42

early paper on the use of

11:44

famotidine. Treatments made a

11:46

lot more sense. Just treatment still. Early treatment. Because

11:49

it's going to evolve too fast. It's just going to get around

11:51

a vaccine. And that kind of became in

11:54

the group of decenter physicians.

11:57

And you've had many on your show here. That

12:00

kind of became the norm,

12:02

is focusing on early treatment

12:04

and repurposed drugs. In our

12:06

case, with DOD, we

12:09

came up with a combination of famotidine,

12:12

psiloxaphatin, these are both off-patent

12:15

drugs, with safety track records,

12:17

etc. And then particularly

12:19

effective is if you added ivermectin.

12:23

And we tried to then, the

12:25

data was so compelling that

12:27

we were able to convince the Department

12:29

of Defense to allocate a substantial amount

12:31

of money to move this into real

12:33

solid clinical trials. You know, well

12:36

structured, randomized,

12:38

with controls, etc. And

12:43

we got stonewalled by the FDA.

12:47

For me, it was stunning. I pulled together a

12:49

highly experienced team of

12:53

vaccine specialists, clinical trial

12:55

specialists, regulatory affairs

12:57

specialists, and we had

12:59

the capital, a couple hundred million bucks from

13:01

DOD to do this, and

13:03

we put together the INDs and all

13:05

the documentation, we had substantial

13:08

clinical data. These

13:10

are all licensed drugs, off-patent,

13:12

inexpensive, what's not to like.

13:15

Okay? And presented that to

13:17

the FDA, no. DOD.

13:21

Okay? Then we revised that. Present

13:24

it back to the FDA. No. You

13:26

have to prove that ivermectin, you have

13:28

to prove the mechanism of action of

13:30

ivermectin in vitro, in other words, in

13:32

cell culture, which is not how it

13:34

works. Okay? If we're going to allow

13:36

you to go forward. And so

13:39

each time, this is months of

13:41

work and months of delay. And in

13:43

the end, nothing came to

13:45

those trials. And I left

13:48

the group. I stopped being a consultant because

13:50

I started speaking out, as was mentioned, about

13:52

the bioethics of what was

13:54

going on, the jamming of these products

13:56

into people, without allowing them

13:58

to understand what was going on. really

14:00

going on. You'll remember the Dark Horse

14:02

podcast with Steve Kirsh, which was kind

14:04

of a moment in time. Yeah, it

14:07

was a moment. I like to say

14:09

three old men sitting around a table

14:11

talking for two hours and it goes

14:13

viral. That's when I

14:15

knew something weird was going on. But you'll

14:17

recall that we talked about this,

14:20

the technical word is common

14:23

technical document. The Byron

14:25

Bridle from Canada had obtained from

14:27

the Japanese Regulatory Authority because they

14:29

had placed it on their website,

14:31

whereas the FDA hit it. Ed

14:35

did the TGA in Australia, etc. But

14:37

for some reason the Japanese made it

14:39

available. When I read it,

14:42

after Byron read it, and

14:44

then there was an effort to write

14:47

a little summary document for

14:49

trial site news. Trial site news

14:51

was spooked by this. They said,

14:53

well we're gonna get this guy

14:55

Malone to review it. Byron Bridle

14:57

was scared silly, thought this Malone

14:59

guy was really gonna rip him

15:01

an extra one. What was posted?

15:03

Was this the actual genetic sequence?

15:06

No, it was the common

15:08

technical document is essentially the

15:12

body of information that

15:15

is submitted worldwide. They translate it,

15:17

but it is a common format.

15:20

It used to be called the IND. It is

15:23

a body of evidence that says this

15:25

is what we know about this product

15:27

from our non-clinical testing, etc. This

15:30

is why you should allow us

15:33

to move forward with emergency use

15:35

authorization or clinical trials. It's all

15:37

about the vaccine. This was the

15:39

document that showed that the

15:42

product didn't stay at the site of injection.

15:44

It went all over the body.

15:48

The levels of protein production

15:51

were sky-high. It had

15:53

this paradoxical affinity

15:56

for ovarian tissue. Remember all those

15:58

issues? Yeah. That was

16:00

that document. So concerns about fertility. And

16:03

what, you know, a lot of, there's a

16:05

whole lot of nuance that in all this

16:07

jibber jabber about what Malone did or didn't

16:09

do or who he's with or whether he's

16:11

controlled opposition. I

16:14

actually set up, I had

16:16

enough status in the field in

16:18

history that I was able to get

16:20

Peter Marks on the phone. And

16:23

we scheduled a Zoom conference. And

16:27

I was assuming that

16:29

the FDA was basically having

16:31

the wool pulled over its

16:33

eyes by Pfizer and

16:35

Moderna. Okay. You

16:37

know, how else could you explain

16:39

the FDA allowing this to go

16:41

forward with this body of data

16:43

that was so shocking? Yeah. Clearly

16:46

demonstrated that it did not meet

16:48

normal criteria, established criteria for a

16:50

vaccine candidate. I

16:53

was shocked. And

16:55

so I assumed that somehow

16:58

the FDA had not had

17:00

sufficient expertise to really comprehend

17:03

this information that was being put in front

17:05

of them. Seems like a logical,

17:07

if you're coming from the position of assuming the government

17:09

is actually competent. Well, and you're used to working with

17:11

that many. Yeah. You had this sense

17:13

of blaming. I was assuming that they were competent

17:15

and that somehow they had just been manipulated.

17:20

And so I set up this

17:22

phone call with Peter Marks and

17:25

offered my experience. You know, I

17:27

created this tech. I was the

17:29

one that pioneered the use of

17:32

luciferase in animals as a reporter

17:34

gene. This whole system is based upon

17:36

what I did when I was 28 and 29. Okay.

17:41

So I'm thinking they just don't comprehend what's

17:43

going on here. And if

17:45

I can just help them to understand,

17:47

then they'll do the right thing. And

17:51

what comes back at me was Peter

17:53

says, well, you actually have

17:55

only seen this one document and

17:57

there's much more information. now that

17:59

we've received, and I've reviewed it,

18:02

Peter, okay, he's not a vaccinologist,

18:04

he's not an immunologist, he's an

18:06

oncologist, he's a cancer guy, okay,

18:08

but he's reviewed it

18:10

and he sees no concerns, okay.

18:12

Now, what is that new body

18:14

of evidence that he's received that

18:17

he's telling me to basically, he

18:20

tells me straight out. I

18:22

would really appreciate it if you would back

18:24

off of this, not make a big issue

18:27

and let me discuss this with the

18:29

public at my own speed

18:31

at the right time. So, I'm

18:36

still assuming that these guys

18:38

are acting in good faith and

18:40

they're government employees, they've come to

18:43

this position, they understand what

18:45

they're doing and giving them the benefit of

18:47

the doubt. Well,

18:49

the document that he's referring to is

18:51

the Pfizer dossier that the

18:54

courts, they tried to lock up in the courts

18:56

for what, 65 years? 75 years, yes. I think

18:58

you guys played a role in busting that loose,

19:01

okay. So, that document that

19:04

then Natalie, you know, was

19:06

gone over by so many

19:08

people, including your team, that

19:11

revealed all kinds of additional

19:13

malfeasance and misrepresentations and

19:15

redirections and we could

19:17

call it lies, was

19:21

what Marx was referring to,

19:23

okay. So, at

19:26

this point, as this is

19:28

starting to happen, I realize that you're

19:31

not in Kansas anymore. Right. And

19:33

all the assumptions that I've made about

19:35

what's going on here are wrong.

19:40

And that's what really starts the

19:42

cascade. And then I

19:45

get booted off of Twitter. No, and

19:48

as many say, and I don't, you know,

19:50

we've had you on before and the rest

19:52

is history. You were now the Robert Malone

19:54

that's traveling around. I want to get

19:56

into some detail and there's so many places I would

19:58

want to go with this conversation. But

20:00

I'll try to stay specific to begin

20:02

with. You said that the

20:04

DOD who you're used to working with was

20:07

the ones that wanted treatments. Even early on

20:09

in COVID, they're looking at that. That segment.

20:11

That segment of what you were working with.

20:13

DOD is a huge enterprise. Okay. Now, the

20:15

question I have for you, because it's something

20:18

that really shifted fairly recently. I mean, I

20:20

don't know, it's probably maybe a half a

20:22

year ago when I interviewed Scott Atlas, that

20:25

changed my perspective. Who

20:27

I have deep respect for. Yeah, the amazing

20:29

guy. Amazing guy was there in the truth. Truth

20:31

teller at the front lines

20:33

and just really, really great. Just got

20:36

treated like dog dirt. So it comes down

20:38

to that day, right? We hear everywhere we

20:40

go, it's the day, the day, that they

20:42

got it all worked out. They're working all

20:44

together. They, you know, as though there was

20:46

this sort of Who's the puppet masters? Like

20:48

the puppet masters. But what he revealed to

20:50

me, and I wonder if you feel the

20:52

same way, but he revealed in many ways,

20:54

he was saying in his book that

20:58

essentially Deborah Birx never believed in the

21:00

vaccine. Right? She didn't care for the

21:02

vaccine. She thought the vaccine was stupid and it wasn't gonna

21:04

work. She was really into the

21:06

lockdowns and the social distancing and the masks.

21:08

And then Fauci on the other hand, is

21:11

the one in the task force that really

21:13

starts promoting this vaccine, pushing the vaccine. Of

21:15

course, he's with NIAID, which is connected with

21:17

Moderna. And that there was really sort of

21:19

a little battle over what would really go

21:21

on. And you see some of that in

21:24

some of the interviews where Redfield saying, I

21:26

don't think the vaccine is gonna work. You're

21:28

better off wearing a mask and that probably

21:30

doesn't do much. And he sort of, so

21:32

these three, they're sort of called the Troika in

21:35

Atlas' book. Right? But

21:37

it gave me this sense where I

21:39

thought they were all aligned. And

21:42

what I also did not really realize is

21:45

she comes in through, I believe, Department of

21:47

Defense and really is a military operative that

21:49

should have been wearing epaulettes. We're all thrown

21:51

off by the, you know, the scarves, but

21:53

she was actually military. And it

21:55

seems that this whole thing had a military

21:58

function that wasn't necessarily. about

22:00

the vaccine seem to be more about distancing

22:02

and lockdowns. Am I, is any of that? I mean,

22:04

I know that you've looked at some of this extensively.

22:07

Yeah. And

22:09

Pottinger's role in this and

22:13

Burke's bringing Pottinger in. Yeah.

22:16

And the role of Pottinger's CDC

22:18

wife who

22:20

had the back channel with Burke's, who

22:23

got Pottinger in, and

22:25

Pottinger who I'm told

22:29

by a variety of different

22:31

sources that Pottinger is very much

22:33

an anti-CCP person. And yet he

22:35

was the one with the back

22:38

channel back to the Central

22:41

Communist Party in China that pushed

22:44

lockdowns in

22:46

alignment with Burke's. And

22:49

a lot of these other what are

22:51

called non-pharmaceutical interventions. And one

22:54

way to phrase it as my friend

22:56

Frank Gaffney likes to say is they

22:58

imported the China solution, which

23:01

by the way was reinforced by Ted Gross and

23:03

the WHO. Right. I know

23:05

you're shocked. Yeah. But

23:07

that was facetious. So

23:13

it's complicated. And

23:16

Scott got

23:18

sidelined quickly. Yes. And

23:22

his observations are

23:24

crucial artifacts to

23:27

help us discern what transpired here.

23:30

But they

23:33

are from the

23:35

perspective of someone who was

23:38

in that position for that brief moment of time.

23:40

A bit like you. And that was basically ejected

23:42

out. Trying to bring this person, that person, and

23:44

saying, why are these people not communicating the way

23:46

one would naturally believe they are? Yeah. And

23:49

sort of the dynamics going on here are fascinating

23:51

because they're still playing out in the present. So

23:53

we had the Fauci testimony and then immediately. By

23:56

the way, people like, wow, we still in COVID. I

23:58

mean, look, we may be. basically

24:00

a pandemic coming right around the corner.

24:02

We should all know how these cogs

24:05

are working because they're still spinning right

24:07

now. Okay, so yeah,

24:09

and these three characters,

24:13

this trucker that you're talking about

24:16

have long standing professional rivalries. Deborah

24:18

Birx is a Tony Fauci postdoc.

24:21

Deborah Birx ran the DOD

24:23

HIV vaccine program. They

24:26

did things there that were contrary to

24:28

what Tony Fauci wanted them to do.

24:30

Okay. Okay, Bob

24:33

Redfield was basically

24:35

rescued out of obscurity

24:37

because of some misstatements

24:40

and actions that he made within the DOD having

24:42

to do with AIDS vaccine. All this goes back

24:44

to the early days of AIDS, okay? So all

24:46

AIDS, this is like the AIDS team, like they

24:49

were all fighting each other. They've all been fighting

24:51

each other for decades. My entire career, okay? And

24:54

Bob Gallo and Tony

24:57

Fauci got in a big fight over who

24:59

was gonna control the AIDS money and

25:01

Bob lost. Okay. And

25:05

Redfield pushed

25:07

a vaccine story for

25:09

a vaccine candidate that turned out to be

25:11

wrong. And he got ejected out of the

25:14

DOD basically for research fraud. Whether or not

25:16

that's actually what happened, that was the politics

25:18

of what happened. And Bob Gallo

25:20

saved him, okay? So Bob Gallo

25:22

and Tony Fauci are frenemies

25:24

going back decades. Okay. Okay,

25:27

Bob had to create this new

25:29

vaccine research center in Baltimore and

25:31

he hired Redfield who

25:34

now is running a clinic as was discussed

25:36

with Chris Como the other day. And this

25:39

is what was fascinating, the Como interview followed

25:41

almost right on the heels of

25:43

the Fauci testimony. And Redfield directly contradicted

25:45

a bunch of things that Fauci said

25:48

in his testimony, no surprise. Right. What

25:51

you're looking at is you're getting a window

25:54

into the academic

25:56

politics and government

25:58

politics that... gene

48:00

therapy, adenovirus being the same platform

48:02

that was used by J and J or

48:05

Janssen and AstraZeneca.

48:09

So this was a gene therapy trial involving

48:11

a young man in

48:14

which the researchers went

48:16

off protocol because

48:18

they weren't getting a clinical response with

48:22

the allowed doses. And so they went

48:24

to a higher dose without getting permission

48:26

to do so. And the

48:28

kid developed what's called DIC,

48:30

or disseminated intravascular coagulation, and

48:32

he died. And it

48:34

basically shut down the entire gene therapy

48:37

domain. And a

48:41

huge black mark for this very high

48:43

profile you pen investigator. And

48:46

I was confronted, I shared

48:48

what I knew about this with

48:52

my mentor and he said, you have an obligation Robert,

48:55

to go public with what you know. And

48:57

I knew at that time, if I did

48:59

so, I would destroy that phase of my

49:01

career as an academic. And in fact,

49:03

I did and it did. And

49:06

yet I survived. I

49:09

survived because people respected

49:11

that I acted with integrity. I

49:14

had numerous friends and colleagues

49:16

that do. I was a person who

49:18

acted with integrity and they

49:21

supported me and that allowed me to carry

49:23

on. I do have kids, now

49:26

grandkids, obligations, wife, et

49:28

cetera. I have to pay

49:30

my bills. But I had the experience

49:32

of having spoken truth to power once

49:39

before in a very sensitive way, compromised

49:42

what had been my career. And

49:45

yet the

49:48

way I like to put it is I still own

49:50

my soul. You do. And there's a question I have

49:52

to ask because I really

49:54

think it's pending. And what you're talking about is gain

49:56

of function is going on for

49:59

monkey pox. And they're

50:02

trying to make these things infectious and super

50:04

virulent. For all the best reasons. For all

50:06

the best reasons. Fundamental science. Let's just make

50:08

the deadliest thing we can. They're doing it

50:10

with bird flu, which is super scary research.

50:13

We are not, and I'm still shocked. We're

50:15

just like, oh yeah, well, consensus now says

50:17

it was a lab leak. Well, then what

50:19

the hell is it? What are the consequences?

50:21

What are the consequences? What is this thing?

50:23

Because it appears to me, as I now

50:25

see it, that if it's a lab leak,

50:28

we took a virus that didn't really infect

50:30

humans very well, gave it a Farron Clemens

50:32

site, and a few other attributes that made

50:34

it just highly infectious

50:36

for human beings. Then we put out

50:38

a vaccine that made sure that we

50:40

cannot eliminate it from the planet, made

50:42

it endemic, because our bodies cannot fight

50:44

it off. We're all harboring it, carrying

50:46

it, sharing it, and it's continuing to

50:48

evolve. So we sat in a lab,

50:50

we increased its potential, maybe 100

50:53

years, who knows? Maybe would have done it in nature at

50:55

5, 10. Could have taken

50:57

100 years to develop the ability to infect

50:59

people the way it does, but now that's

51:01

its starting point, and now it's off and

51:03

running and evolving in people. Okay, Del, there's

51:05

something, you know, that I've

51:07

now spent four years trying to figure out this

51:09

core question, who are the puppet masters, and what

51:12

the heck happened to all of us? Right, right.

51:14

The other day, a follower

51:16

on my sub-stacks sent me an article

51:18

that was written, an interview from 2017

51:20

from a journal in New Zealand. It

51:25

comes from a guy named Alexander Kozimov.

51:27

I think I'm pronouncing that right. Alexander

51:30

Kozimov happens to be

51:32

a former Soviet agent,

51:34

intelligence agent, from the

51:36

USSR and then from Russia, whose job

51:39

it was to engage in

51:41

bioterrorism-related activities. Okay.

51:45

And he got pissed off at his supervisor

51:47

because he thought he was corrupt, and he

51:50

quit the organization in Russia

51:52

at this time, and immigrated to

51:54

New Zealand and hung out as Shingle as a consultant,

51:56

and then he did this interview in 2017. after

52:00

the prior H5N1 per Fuffle. Yes.

52:05

Okay? Because this is not the first rodeo

52:07

for bird flu. Right. Okay? This

52:10

is the gift that keeps on giving. Right. If you're one of

52:12

these folks that wants to do this. He

52:15

uses the term information bioterrorism.

52:17

I use the term psychological

52:19

bioterrorism. He makes the

52:22

clear case that the economic

52:24

impact of information bioterrorism or

52:26

psychological bioterrorism is at least

52:29

tenfold greater than any of

52:31

the documented actual bioterrorism events.

52:34

Okay. Like the ones that happen

52:36

in the subway and in Tokyo, etc. Yeah. And

52:39

he goes through a series of steps.

52:42

He's speaking as an

52:44

expert in spy craft. He's

52:46

just laying out this is how we

52:48

do it. Okay. Okay?

52:51

He lays out this series of steps that

52:54

are used in promoting

52:57

weaponized fear around

53:00

infectious disease for profit

53:02

and control and disruption

53:04

of society. And

53:07

remember this 2017. Yeah. He

53:09

lays out this series of steps. He

53:11

has words to define the different players

53:13

and how they interact. You know, thought

53:16

leaders in the press, etc. And

53:18

what their roles are that they play as

53:21

they go through this process. He's

53:23

just laying out spy craft. This is how it's done.

53:25

This is how you do it. This is how you

53:27

do it. Okay. And I read

53:29

through this thing and I'm gobsmacked because

53:32

it is the script for

53:34

what happened to us during the COVID crisis. And

53:37

at that point. So whether or not it's

53:39

a bio lab leak or whatever, it wasn't

53:42

nearly as dangerous as what they did to

53:44

us. So the fear of this

53:46

thing out in the public. And what

53:48

they're doing. We destroyed everything we believe

53:50

in, took away our rights, took away

53:52

a right to go to a courtroom,

53:54

took our jobs away, destroyed our children's

53:56

education, you know, destroyed religion

53:59

and churches. infectious

56:00

disease fear porn. And

56:04

just like they did with Monkey Pox,

56:06

and absolutely, you know, it

56:09

comes right on the threshold of

56:11

the elections, and all

56:13

these other things, and people are scared

56:15

silly about what's going on financially, the

56:17

fact that the Central Bank digital currency

56:20

story is ready to be deployed on

56:22

all of us, and

56:24

then, Dell, as

56:26

you recall, when we were in Geneva, the

56:29

only thing that people could talk about

56:32

in small groups was not the sneakiness

56:34

of Tedros and the WHO. It

56:37

was the risk of the American

56:39

deployment of tactical nukes in

56:41

Russia right before the election. I mean,

56:44

this, all these things, I hate

56:46

to say it, it sounds so crazy, but

56:49

a lot of people are saying it now,

56:51

and you ran, you know, you did a

56:53

great series on

56:57

what the meaning of the

56:59

just-concluded European Parliament elections

57:01

are. And a major

57:05

thread in all of those

57:07

parties, labeled as

57:09

far right, I assert these are

57:11

center-right populist parties, is

57:15

they don't want war. And

57:17

they are all scared silly

57:20

about the drumbeat of NATO.

57:22

The German Republic has

57:25

now authorized, the Bundestag has authorized

57:27

German soldiers to go to battle

57:29

inside Russian territory. That's crazy. Okay,

57:32

it's like, it's as if they

57:34

don't think that

57:40

the weaponized fear about infectious disease

57:43

is gonna be enough, and

57:45

so they have to add layers and layers

57:47

of fear on top of that to get

57:49

us to whatever end they

57:51

are seeking and whoever they are. And

57:53

that's the big question is, who

57:56

is this cabal that

57:58

is orchestrating this? And

58:00

personally, I've come

58:02

to the conclusion, and it's totally aligned

58:05

with Cosimov's statements. Operationally,

58:08

this is CIA together with

58:10

the Five Eyes Alliance that

58:12

are busy doing the kind

58:15

of technical orchestrating. I

58:18

don't think they're the puppet masters behind it. I

58:20

think they're operational. But they

58:22

are definitely central to it. And

58:26

I'm concerned, but

58:29

fundamentally, this is my latest

58:31

thing, okay, is the

58:35

deployment of fear about

58:37

infectious disease in

58:41

order to manipulate and control

58:43

populations is

58:45

fundamentally unethical. This is

58:47

wrong. And the people that

58:49

are doing this type of stuff need to be

58:51

shamed. They need to

58:53

be forbidden from engaging in

58:55

public discourse. They need to

58:57

be forbidden from participating in

58:59

the World Health Organization, the

59:01

United Nations. They need to

59:03

be forbidden from participating in

59:05

our government. This is fundamentally

59:08

wrong. People that will weaponize

59:10

fear in

59:12

the general population of infectious

59:14

disease have no

59:16

right to be involved in

59:19

public discourse. And somehow,

59:21

we have got to make it

59:24

clear that this is not acceptable

59:26

behavior. Fantastic,

59:28

absolutely. From your lips

59:30

to God's ears, we got work to do. And I'm

59:33

so glad to have you on our team. Thanks, thanks,

59:35

Tom. Dr. Robert Malone. Incredible. Thank you. Thank you. Thank

59:37

you.