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1:01

morning, good afternoon, good evening. Wherever you are

1:04

out there in the world, it's time for

1:06

us all to step out onto the high

1:08

wire. And sometimes I'm asking

1:10

us all to do this together, which even makes

1:12

that wire even more precarious when you put all

1:14

of that weight on it. I

1:16

say that because I want to start out

1:18

this conversation today with a topic

1:21

that I'm sure is going to trigger

1:23

someone in this audience. It

1:25

happens every time we try to deal

1:28

with something that revolves around the idea

1:30

of our environment and

1:32

then growing and food and

1:34

farming. So

1:36

I want to ask the audience today,

1:39

because I've watched a few times as

1:41

we're getting into these controversial topics, that

1:43

sometimes the

1:46

trigger is, I want to say something right

1:48

away, I know where this is going, and

1:50

I know that the feed and all the

1:52

comments get rolling, but then I feel like

1:54

some of you really miss the nuance of

1:56

what we're discussing. So I'm all

1:59

about judgment. That you should be

2:01

skeptical. And I've told you I'm not

2:03

here to tell you what to think.

2:05

I'm just trying to tell you how

2:07

to say where your information see come

2:09

from, where you love how you prove

2:11

a point. And so I'm open to

2:13

end his criticisms. Both ten we try

2:15

to at least listen first and then

2:17

criticize after. The reason I say all

2:19

this is because today we're going to

2:21

be talking about farming and for me

2:23

personally, I want all the pesticides and

2:25

herbicides off of all of my food.

2:27

I eat organic. I make sure that

2:29

my family eats organic. I'm tired of

2:31

reading about two hundred and sixty chemicals

2:33

in the umbilical cord a pregnant women.

2:36

Those types of things really bother me.

2:38

Now for some in our audience we

2:40

you know want to have you know

2:42

a booming economy and we say well

2:44

as regulatory agencies a good in the

2:47

way. Then you're gonna hurt the economy

2:49

and hurt America. I understand all of

2:51

that. but does that mean that every

2:53

industry then suggest be poisoning us and

2:55

we suggest watch our quality of life

2:58

disappear? We now have chronic illness skyrocketing.

3:00

Neurological disorders skyrocketing were well over.

3:02

We know of fifty percent. Some

3:04

think it's more like sixty percent

3:06

of America and silver and an

3:08

adult now have a chronic illness

3:10

meaning their sit there and fire

3:12

allies. Something needs to change how

3:15

we go to change it if

3:17

we fight number One for freedom

3:19

of industry to do whatever he

3:21

wants to make as much money

3:23

as it can while also trying

3:25

to fight to do the right

3:27

things for our earth and ourselves.

3:29

So. Get ready. Because. The

3:32

name of the film Where That A Talk

3:34

About is exactly what we all need to

3:36

work on. This. Is. Common.

3:39

Ground. Is

3:46

the matter? Is.

3:51

To soil. We've.

3:59

Been proven. Round up does

4:01

cause cancer. If

4:03

you burrow deeply enough, there is

4:06

a high line of money from

4:08

the pesticides industry into those universities.

4:10

They're getting the kind of science

4:13

that money can buy. A

4:21

tourist soul. And

4:23

of mommy nappy. That

4:32

there's a way to save and. It's.

4:35

Called me to do research. Center

4:40

is. Restoring the

4:42

land sales that say that We

4:44

found that ask actually making it

4:46

better. We.

4:50

Have added over ninety six

4:52

son of Carbon razors. Indo

4:54

are source and we mitigate

4:56

climate. Absolutely.

5:00

We're going to check the underwear and

5:02

the regenerative versus the conventional soybean fields

5:04

and see if we can tell a

5:07

difference between the microbial activity. We've.

5:13

Eliminated insecticides, pesticides, herbicides. We're

5:16

saving up for the for

5:18

her dollars an acre. It

5:20

works out to be about

5:22

two million dollars a year

5:24

and said that is serious

5:26

cash. I.

5:31

Forgot. My soon as feel

5:33

like I'm under dress that

5:35

if you are the people

5:37

and can make a change

5:39

well decide Time to finally

5:41

get regenerative agriculture that prioritize

5:43

the farmer. Is

5:53

authentic since the land. A second absences

5:55

those that came before us and those.

5:57

that are gonna come after him I

6:01

could change everything. There's

6:04

hope. I

6:07

said this later, I don't want it. But

6:09

it's also a promise. So

6:12

I'm gonna fight like hell to save

6:14

your future for my children. Because

6:17

I love you. Well,

6:31

the film Common Ground has just released,

6:33

and I'm joined now by two of

6:35

the producers, the founders of Kiss the

6:37

Ground, Finian Makepeace

6:39

and Ryland Engelhardt. It's really great to have you

6:41

guys here, Finian. Thanks for having us. Ryland, thanks

6:44

for coming in. Yeah, thank you so much. So

6:47

this is film number two, A Journey

6:49

that you're on. First

6:52

of all, regenerative farming.

6:56

How'd you guys get into this? Where does this whole

6:58

thing start? Beautiful. Yeah,

7:01

happy to... So I

7:04

come from hospitality, and actually

7:06

from hospitality that was specifically

7:08

around vegan plant-based diet. My

7:12

family actually brought a restaurant called Cafe Gratitude in

7:14

Gracias Madre to the world. I

7:17

just ate Cafe Gratitude like a week ago. I

7:20

go through California, it's one of the things I like to

7:22

get a nice veggie meal. It's

7:24

cool. Organic ingredients. Yeah,

7:29

so that was my life, was serving.

7:31

I thought veganism, plant-based whole foods was

7:33

the way, the truth, the answer, and

7:35

we were doing that in Los Angeles,

7:37

San Francisco, and then Los Angeles. That

7:40

led me to obviously getting interested

7:43

in health and wellness. I was

7:45

evangelizing the plant-based world

7:47

and sustainable business, and

7:50

that brought me to New Zealand, where I

7:52

was speaking at a conference, and

7:54

basically I found myself sitting in an audience

7:56

of a panel discussion called Can

7:58

Human Beings Succeed? life on

8:00

planet Earth. And five of

8:02

the six experts said we're degrading

8:05

the ecosystem in ways that ultimately we're

8:07

heading into the Anthropocene and

8:09

it's pretty much too late. And

8:11

the last person who spoke was a guy by the

8:13

name of Graham Sate and he said what

8:16

we don't see is that we are

8:18

part of nature and if we

8:20

see ourselves as separate, we don't see

8:22

how we could actually work with nature

8:25

to heal the damage that we've done.

8:27

And that's through a process of regeneration

8:29

starting with our soil and then everything

8:31

above that soil. And

8:33

here I am sitting somewhat

8:36

as an arrogant California vegan

8:39

running the most sustainable

8:41

business doing all the right things and

8:44

I'm seeing a conversation for the first

8:46

time that connects the dots

8:49

that shows me that right,

8:52

we can't just sustain a broken

8:54

system or a broken soil

8:57

or a broken degraded coral

9:01

reef or ocean system. That

9:04

needs to be regenerated until we can

9:06

sustain something. And it was a

9:09

complete epiphany to

9:12

really understand that the way

9:14

photosynthesizing plants work

9:16

with soil microorganisms is

9:18

a perfect technology

9:22

that is nature which is self-healing, self-correcting and

9:24

self-balancing. Just like our bodies, which is something

9:26

we talked about a lot. Finney, you guys

9:29

go way back. Yeah, Rylan and

9:31

I go way back. We grew up in

9:33

Ithaca, New York together. Our parents were friends,

9:35

both activists as well. But yeah, as Rylan

9:38

was in the... So like what, hippie parents

9:40

type thing? Nick Pease

9:42

is his last name, Engelhardt.

9:44

Yeah, we go way back.

9:48

So for Rylan, I was always the activist

9:50

policy knowing guy would be like, all right, what are

9:52

we doing? Both of us kind of activators in our

9:55

own right. And he came back from New Zealand just

9:57

lit up like, look, I really need you

9:59

to get this. And it just so happens I

10:01

convinced the guy who was talking to come to LA to

10:03

talk with us. So the two of us set up an

10:05

auditorium. I brought my sound equipment. I was in music. And

10:08

in four hours, this guy just lays

10:10

down this argument of what can happen

10:13

when we work with farming, regeneratively.

10:15

When we, instead of degrading or even

10:17

trying to sustain what little we have

10:19

left, we actually rebuild the soil by

10:22

helping plants pump carbon into the soil and

10:24

it rebuild it. It helps the water cycle.

10:26

It helps biodiversity. It helps the nutrient uptake

10:28

of plants. So this gets laid out. And

10:30

it was that same night we go back

10:33

to Rylan's house and I was like, if

10:35

this is all true, this is literally the

10:37

biggest solution because everything

10:39

up until that point was how do we go off the

10:42

cliff slower? That was it. That's

10:44

what we most of us have still. That's what it

10:46

all seems like, is yes. Everyone's like, okay, yes, but

10:48

we're all just going to go a little slower. And

10:50

this was the only solution that was taking us to

10:52

say we can regenerate. And it didn't mean all going

10:54

back and living in caves or anything. It was like,

10:57

no, with these practical solutions, with these

10:59

leaders. So we hit the books in Rylan's garage.

11:01

I lived right down the street and we just

11:03

dove all the way and we said, if this

11:05

is true, we have to dedicate our lives because

11:08

there's nothing more prolific than

11:10

this solution right now. And within

11:12

a year and a half, we met the directors, Josh and

11:14

Rebecca, and convinced them to make the film Kiss

11:16

the Ground with us. And

11:18

the rest is really history. It was just... Yeah. I

11:21

mean, the truth, the miracle truth of it, and really, I'm

11:23

going to say it is a miracle. And

11:26

it's been a miracle path of how it has

11:28

happened in that I moved

11:30

into a little apartment

11:33

in Venice to open Cafe Gratitude.

11:36

And that apartment was Josh and

11:38

Rebecca's apartment, but they had built

11:40

a film studio in the garage

11:42

and they were moving to Ojai.

11:44

I moved in, started building a

11:46

nonprofit, and then that garage

11:49

that was their film studio became

11:51

the nonprofit and then collaborated to

11:53

then having these films be made.

11:55

Yeah. And if I could add just one

11:58

thing, for us, I was in music. touring as

12:00

an activist and very active in a lot

12:02

of ways, Ryland and restaurants. But we

12:04

were basically like, we're not the scientists, we're not

12:06

the farmers, and we're not the indigenous leaders who

12:08

know this stuff. But we can, and

12:11

we are champions. So we really

12:13

saw, instead of just being like, oh, be on

12:15

the bleachers and say yay to what they're doing,

12:17

we could make sure that this idea becomes something

12:19

that the world gets access to. And

12:22

we said, look, if it happened to us, it

12:24

can happen to anybody. And that's where really,

12:26

I think, the strength of Kiss the Ground,

12:28

the organization, is we're saying, we're going to

12:30

help to make the story available, we're going to help

12:32

make the education available to the world. And

12:35

that's what we've been doing for almost 13 years. And

12:37

it's because we said, we're not going to make

12:40

this exclusive. We're willing to talk to anybody and

12:42

get them connected to this. Because like

12:44

Ryland, he's gone on a complete trajectory

12:47

change of like, wow, animals are a part of

12:49

this healing. Well, explain that to me. Because I

12:51

mean, you were saying I was a vegan, and

12:53

then he had this aha moment. Why

12:55

does regenerative farming affect your perspective of

12:58

being vegan? Because it seems like you're

13:00

growing plants. Plants are vegan. So what

13:02

is it I'm missing? Well, that's actually

13:05

not true. No? OK. So vegetables aren't

13:07

vegan in many cases. OK. So

13:10

the way that soil gets created

13:12

is, in

13:16

the greatest capacity around the world, is

13:19

in the collaboration and

13:21

the symbiotic relationship between

13:24

grass-eating animals, bovines, and

13:27

perennial grasses. So whether

13:29

it's in the center of this country

13:31

or in the savanna in Africa, where

13:34

there's large amounts of soil

13:36

organic matter, healthy soil, which

13:38

is ultimately what become

13:40

agricultural lands that can produce a lot of

13:42

food, it is through

13:45

that partnership of grass-eating animals grazing,

13:47

pooping and peeing, and then moving

13:49

away for a year that ultimately

13:52

is adding financial,

13:55

organic matter capital into that bank

13:57

account that then has the capacity.

14:00

to grow life, grow plants,

14:02

grow food, and animals

14:06

are essentially the perfect technology to

14:08

make that rotational movement on land

14:11

such that land can get continuously

14:13

healthy. So yeah and I just

14:15

want to say it

14:18

was inconvenient for me as

14:20

a decade-long

14:23

restaurateur family that

14:25

was running vegan restaurants in

14:27

Los Angeles serving millions of

14:30

vegan meals to then

14:32

realize you know as we started to what would

14:34

the big idea was well it's gross and vegetables

14:36

for our vegan restaurants my dad started to do

14:38

that and as he did that he

14:40

realized wow to get these vegetables

14:43

to grow I need to add

14:45

things like cow manure that's

14:47

coming from a CAFO feedlot. I

14:50

need blood meal,

14:52

bone meal, fish emulsion, even

14:54

calcium supplement. Calcium supplement calcium

14:57

is only alchemized through the

14:59

body of a biological being

15:02

so if we're getting calcium it's actually

15:04

alchemized by something living that then died

15:06

and then became something that our body

15:08

could uptake. And I want to as

15:10

a someone who hasn't been a vegan

15:12

nearly as much as Ryland I wanted

15:14

to make a quick observation the people

15:16

who are doing that are very justifiably

15:18

trying to help and doing something that's

15:20

not very easy to do. I agree

15:22

to make a lifestyle change out and

15:25

all the credit to that. I think that the important thing

15:27

is to look at progression in any sense and say wait

15:29

a minute we're looking at a

15:31

solution here that is both economically

15:33

viable and and both such

15:36

a big ecological change and

15:38

as Ryland was talking about grasslands cover half

15:40

of the world and most of the grasslands

15:42

are what are turning to desert very quickly

15:45

it's because those environments are brittle it just

15:47

so happens grasslands make brittle environments

15:49

where it doesn't rain it's not very moist habitable

15:51

that's what adapted there that's what evolved

15:54

there that's not where trees naturally evolved

15:56

so you have to say

15:58

in regenerative agriculture its context context

16:00

context in some

16:02

areas in south america even united

16:04

states you can have places where

16:06

agro ecology systems work without many

16:09

animals involved can they help uh...

16:11

yes but it doesn't have to be

16:13

large-scale grazing operations the point is

16:15

are you trying to create regeneration the

16:18

system that is currently broken not functioning

16:20

right regaining its function ability getting better

16:23

over time and to do that lots

16:26

of times animals are super important

16:28

other times they're less necessary

16:31

as an agroforestry system can can show

16:33

but the big point is you can't

16:35

be siloed in your thinking you

16:37

have to be able to look at your contacts

16:39

in your environment and say where are we what

16:41

is it and asking us to do and

16:43

what is the water system want to do what is all these

16:45

things want to do and then you're enhancing that ability to function

16:47

at a high level and i just want to say one more

16:50

thing which is that we

16:52

often times think oh we just need to plant

16:54

some trees right that's kind of the the go-to

16:56

environmental thing plant trees much of

16:58

the planet doesn't have the

17:00

war rainfall actually sustained tree

17:02

canopy so grassland savannah is

17:04

what is its uh... primary

17:07

uh... eat healthy balance ecosystem and

17:09

to just sense that often say that's

17:12

going to be conservation rewild without the

17:14

grass-eating animal partnership it actually will continue

17:16

to degrade to some of what we're

17:18

seeing in the netherlands and i want

17:20

to get in that a minute words like

17:22

well no this is got to go back to being

17:24

forest is not farmland or whatever and and having government

17:27

step in which is something that you

17:29

know i'm really struggling with the before i get

17:31

into that what really sort of led me to

17:33

this conversation was i interviewed zac bush couple

17:36

of years ago and you really like sort of

17:38

woke up uh... my perspective

17:40

because i was really struggling with the

17:42

fact that i've always called myself an

17:44

environmentalist but i'm not down with the

17:46

for a terry in carbon credit scoring

17:48

you know we'll be in the world

17:51

economic forum rules are going to govern how

17:53

we all move to this world and

17:55

he served hide this together in a way

17:57

that i thought really Crop.

18:00

Last all sort of barriers and lines it just

18:02

take a look this olympic from that be that

18:04

interview. The. Lungs of the planet.

18:06

Is the soil. Yes,

18:09

Trees? yes, that, but you don't get free

18:11

respirator if you don't have the microbiome in

18:13

the mycelium in the soil doing it's work.

18:15

And so what happened in the Nineteen seventies

18:17

and we started Poison. The

18:20

microbiome of the soil systems and

18:22

create dirt on a scale that

18:24

is now again back then unbelievable.

18:26

But the current estimates are that

18:28

ninety seven percent of the arable

18:30

farmland in the world has now

18:32

been depleted, are severely depleted. Which.

18:35

Means ninety seven percent of the lungs

18:37

the earth are now in. It's an

18:39

stage of emphysema. There. Is

18:41

no surface area left. Their

18:44

egos. So one of the points that he

18:46

was making their that I found it is

18:48

is he got into. You know when we

18:51

talk about C O Two causing climate, she's

18:53

global warming. Whatever you are you saying about

18:55

it, you know He said that wouldn't even

18:57

be a problem. You know? Sure, trees taken

18:59

so many gig at times in the ocean,

19:02

absorbed seventy gigs at times. but the vast

19:04

amount of C O Two is really absorbed

19:06

by the earth which is something that we

19:08

are. You know when I taught we talk

19:10

about medicine all the time. Fiber vaccines are

19:13

these issue the got. Biomes being now

19:15

becoming more and more important right? We

19:17

are recognizing that you know there's all

19:19

sorts of products in every grocery store

19:21

now to try and get more of

19:23

a stronger got by I'm going you

19:25

know bacteria in my stomach, the dirt

19:27

is the same and cylinder You know

19:30

when we want balance there's these microbes

19:32

that are eating an absorbing C o

19:34

two that that's where they work on

19:36

my that's how the be The plants

19:38

ran on what Zach was saying I

19:40

think get a super important thing for

19:42

anybody watching today. Is. Go to

19:45

google earth. And. Check out

19:47

the world and see for yourself

19:49

how much land. Is. In

19:51

agriculture is pretty obvious there's usually little where

19:53

where's indifference I guess but you look at

19:56

that and then you look at a little

19:58

closer and you cds fenced off area. That

20:00

are obviously no longer and farm production.

20:02

Because. They're too degraded to use anymore. Those

20:04

used to be if they were fenced off

20:07

grazing when no one's going to. Cents.

20:09

Off the desert and Grace had right has

20:11

that would be pointless. The Point is a

20:13

used to be grazing land his own in

20:15

the desert in area thirty million acres or

20:17

year. Become. The size

20:19

of England become too degraded to

20:22

farm anymore. Even propping them up

20:24

with chemicals like was phosphorus and

20:26

nitrogen, they're just too degraded. So

20:28

that's the rate of loss of

20:30

fertile land that we have now.

20:32

What makes land fertile is when

20:34

it is full of soil organic

20:36

matter. Soil organic matter happens to

20:38

be fifty percent carbon, so. What's

20:41

Aca saying is so true. If we're going

20:43

to balance the climate, we have to look

20:46

at the land as where's the carbon and

20:48

go Now. So. Much of

20:50

my frustration with the climate, conversation and

20:52

the obvious reason why people reject it

20:54

often is that it's basically putting all

20:56

the blame on to C O Two

20:58

in the answer. Yes, I quickly on

21:00

illusion. The harbin up there does create

21:02

a thermal blanket young cool. but when

21:04

we look at the problems we're facing

21:06

from that. We. Have to say

21:08

wait a minute if the land is broken.

21:11

Is the oh serious drought and flooding is

21:13

all because of C O Two? The As

21:15

really hold the pause right at it from

21:17

that doesn't make any sense. In

21:19

the nineteen sixties a nationalized the land bunch

21:22

of people remember farm before degraded land in

21:24

a decade. Turned. It's a desert now.

21:26

it doesn't work anymore. They put us into

21:28

the cities and the land is completely degenerating

21:31

by itself now. And you're like there's no

21:33

trees, there's no grass, is nothing covering land.

21:36

Wait. now it floods in the

21:38

rain, hits a solid block of

21:40

dirt. In. That water runs

21:42

off ensue. The rivers

21:44

and streams completely muddy, Taking usually five tons

21:46

of topsoil per acre per year while out

21:48

diseases is worth zero. Like what had a

21:50

fig, Rain was great. We had a big

21:52

grin. None of it infiltrates into the ground.

21:55

The soil sponges broken what used to happen

21:57

as it hits the plants, rickles into the

21:59

soil sponge. and regenerates your

22:01

water supplies all of your your

22:04

springs in your aquifers are being recharged now

22:06

when you have ninety percent of the land

22:09

degraded most of that water is quickly running

22:11

off into the oceans within a couple days

22:13

of a big storm you're back to a

22:15

drought so many places in africa

22:17

in in western united states we say we

22:19

finally got a big rain the

22:22

california i'm talking about the government like god

22:24

was mystery landing on cement we might as

22:26

well be landing on cement and then you

22:28

take onto add onto that all that their

22:30

ground when the sun hits it is he

22:32

died it's like we say

22:34

all you have a city that's meant that makes

22:36

sense that it's he island but no one's counting

22:38

the heat that is radiating up from the surface

22:41

of millions and millions and millions of acres then

22:43

you say when it was all the water if

22:46

a half an inch sorry if

22:48

the if and acre of land that

22:51

gay brown one of the guys from

22:53

film has can now hold a hundred

22:55

thousand gallons more purple of water one

22:57

acre because he's built the soil back

22:59

uh... so you've got the soil sponge yeah you're

23:01

basically saying well all that water that used

23:03

to be in the degraded land where is

23:06

it now and we know

23:08

water vapor is one of the biggest contributors

23:10

to climate catastrophes as well as heating up

23:12

in the word or not counting enough i

23:14

thought about the climate equation were just like

23:16

degraded land heat island effect plus the water

23:18

where is it if we start talking like

23:20

that in the climate i think a lot

23:22

more people would be like a let's let's

23:24

say i would say i mean in many

23:26

ways i would say you could really just

23:28

say that we're talking the

23:30

climate problem is really just the blood

23:32

coming out of a wound right let's

23:34

fix the world like it really isn't

23:37

an issue that wall it is is showing

23:39

we have a symptomatic you know a symptom based

23:41

on a lack of balance with how this is

23:43

really a lot of the like a lot of

23:45

the ones of you know fifth-degree third-degree burns on

23:47

the on the hospital bed with all these inputs

23:49

going in with a clip keep that alive that's

23:51

what we're doing right now i don't like what

23:53

if this person fully feels the function again right

23:55

that's regeneration at the early and i think that

23:57

just we've it back to the fact bush thing

24:00

the soil is the

24:02

microbiome of the earth.

24:05

And we know that

24:07

we can be doctoring

24:10

all over the body,

24:12

but if we

24:14

don't have the system that can actually

24:16

balance and is supporting the immune function

24:18

of the body, we're ultimately

24:20

just going to be doing patchwork drawing on

24:22

the mirror versus actually addressing

24:25

the patient and the problem. So

24:27

right now the soil, as I think he said,

24:29

97% has been degraded. So

24:33

it's very difficult to create balance

24:35

if the microbiome, again, if we're on the

24:37

human health, to get balance, we have to

24:40

heal that part and then we can start

24:42

to heal the larger piece. And

24:44

one other thing is that

24:46

when plants came on

24:48

land and started creating soil and

24:50

the skin of the earth became

24:53

green, there was a 9th,

24:55

again, this is a fact that I believe

24:58

that someone said, so I'm just going to

25:00

say it that way, it was

25:02

a reduction of about 80 to 90% of

25:06

carbon or greenhouse gases in the atmosphere

25:08

that came down to create this beautiful

25:11

climate and livable ecology

25:13

that we have been seeing over the last 10,000

25:15

years when human beings have been

25:17

in existence. So that was the

25:20

technology of photosynthesizing plants, trees and

25:22

grasses pulling and creating that carbon

25:24

to come down and create a

25:27

livable system. We say it has 500 million

25:29

years of research and development at

25:32

its back. Well, and that's what's

25:34

so annoying is when I look

25:36

at Bill Gates, who's now

25:38

an environmentalist, I guess, and the entire

25:40

answer, like you're saying, is let's just

25:42

leave the burn victim alone. The answer

25:44

is like chemicals, like let's go ahead

25:46

and make fake meats, fake this, fake

25:49

that, growing them inside hydroponics, inside light,

25:51

inside of buildings, instead of, wait a minute,

25:53

what about all the farm land? As someone

25:55

who cares about health, and especially our rural

25:58

communities that are so impacted by health, Open.

26:00

Farmland. as well as as human health. When.

26:02

You when you're looking at it, it's still

26:04

who wins With all these systems that are

26:07

being put out by the Global Leaflets column

26:09

for a second built? Wait a minute. Who

26:11

really wins here? Because when. People.

26:13

Are healthy, They. Don't need as much

26:15

pharmaceuticals, etc. They're not going into debt with

26:17

their for hospitable. When the farmland is healthy

26:19

it doesn't need and so you look at

26:21

a farmer debt. for example how much they're

26:23

taking out of here just a prop themselves

26:25

up The chemicals and inputs is that are

26:27

the men are health Minister Malcolm Corner. Like

26:29

with regeneration we are seeing it. I have

26:31

been around has been there we know these

26:34

leaders. You guys actually have some great for

26:36

his while we to yeah look at farmers

26:38

have you guys despite take a look at

26:40

This is is how this entire farming process

26:42

works. for just one for. Me: Clark

26:44

is one of the first

26:46

farmers to crack the code

26:48

of large scale know till

26:50

regenerative organic agriculture. To

26:56

do this refuses to special

26:58

machines. The best tool

27:00

we bought was a role. Okay, this

27:03

is our role term for this what

27:05

I call my baby. Or

27:08

roller cram for is my

27:10

dad steamroller. It smashes the

27:12

cover crop down. the dead

27:14

cover crops protects against weeds,

27:17

And become soon as I'm like. that's

27:20

our math says suppress weeds so

27:22

we no longer need of spray

27:24

round up. Other

27:27

machine called and air Cedar

27:30

aka know till drill. Plants

27:33

the seeds without telling soil.

27:36

Industrial agriculture uses expensive

27:38

chemicals to fertilize, cross

27:40

and kill weeds. At

27:44

Regenerative agriculture uses free microbes

27:46

and cover crops to bring

27:48

nutrients into the soil. Right

27:52

now we're We're standing in

27:54

Midwest America. There's. thousands

27:56

of pounds of phosphorus and

27:59

potassium right below our feet. We

28:01

just need to get the cover crops out

28:04

there, unlock them, bring them to the surface,

28:07

and regenerate them. We've

28:10

got biomass covering the soil. Biomass

28:13

is the layer of cover crops

28:15

protecting the soil. We've

28:17

got the microbial biome working in high

28:19

gear. The microbial biome

28:21

is the life in the soil.

28:24

We've got aggregate stability that's eight

28:26

inches deep. Aggregates are

28:28

how the microbes build soil. We've

28:31

got 1.5 million earthworms

28:33

per acre. Earthworms

28:35

turn plant matter into soil.

28:38

The more earthworms, the healthier

28:40

your soil. We've got

28:42

water infiltration rates of 20 inches

28:44

an hour. And infiltration is

28:46

how much water the soil can hold

28:48

instead of running off. The

28:52

deeper the soil organic matter, and

28:54

thus the more carbon that soil

28:56

has, the more water the

28:59

soil will hold. We've

29:01

eliminated seed treatments. We've

29:04

eliminated insecticides. We've

29:06

eliminated pesticides, herbicides.

29:10

We are saving upwards of $400 an acre on input costs. It

29:16

works out to be about $2

29:18

million a year in savings. That

29:21

is serious cash. All

29:24

right, the film is called Common Ground. Super

29:27

fascinating, and I get it

29:29

when I'm looking at this. So one of

29:32

the things that I wanna talk about is, I'm

29:35

concerned, I'm concerned about doing topics like this

29:38

because we see what happened in Sri Lanka,

29:40

where the government decides we're gonna be the

29:42

greenest country in the world, and all farmers

29:45

are getting rid of all the fertilizers and

29:47

things that this guy just said, I don't

29:49

have to use any of that stuff. But

29:51

they just take it away and say good

29:53

luck with that, and farmers are starving, ultimately

29:55

started killing themselves because it

29:57

couldn't grow anything. So how do we do this?

30:00

this on a large scale? How do

30:02

we move without the government coming in,

30:04

ultimately just destroying farms, not teaching anyone

30:06

how to actually farm this? How

30:09

do we do

30:11

this at a scale that it could actually make

30:13

a difference? Awesome question, and

30:15

I'm so glad you asked it. And

30:18

when we look at these phenomenon that

30:20

are essentially taking

30:22

a crisis and then having people who aren't

30:25

asking the right other people how to solve the problem.

30:27

And I think the same thing happened similar in the

30:29

US. One of the reasons I had Rick Clark, who

30:31

you just saw there, testify at the first ever hearing

30:34

at the House Ag Committee on

30:36

Regenerative Agriculture is because he's

30:38

showing up and saying, I've been on this

30:40

trajectory and I know what it takes and

30:42

I know how to get there. But

30:45

you have so many people who are out there training,

30:47

undergrads coming, going into USDA, getting

30:50

jobs, but don't have enough evidence

30:52

themselves, don't have enough experience to be

30:55

actually giving the idea. So Gabe

30:57

Brown, who's also featured in this film Common Ground, has

31:00

a company called Understanding Ag. And they are

31:02

currently helping transition 34 million acres

31:05

in the US alone. So they

31:07

are leaders. Give that some perspective

31:09

on scale. So the

31:12

organic agriculture sector, which has been probably

31:14

67 years of

31:16

development, is still less than

31:18

1% of American ag land, whereas that

31:22

number, 34 million acres, is somewhere between 4 and

31:24

5%. That has

31:26

actually scaled in the last six years. So

31:30

we're looking at an option where

31:32

we're saying, wait a minute, pause and

31:34

check in. So in these scenarios around the

31:37

world, we were saying, oh, this is bad.

31:39

Here's the solution. Any of

31:41

these regenerative experts, and again, we are the champions.

31:43

We are not the experts ourselves. But we work

31:45

day in and day out with these folks. Different

31:48

sides of the spectrum on so many of the issues,

31:51

but we work together in Common Ground on the soil

31:53

stuff. And they're saying, yeah, if you're going to get

31:55

off nitrogen, it's a drug. You

31:57

can't just cut off. You have to have

31:59

a rehabilitation. process and you have to

32:01

get expertise from people of how to do that

32:03

quickly now what you should take eight or ten

32:05

years or twenty years sometimes because

32:08

of the expertise that come together over the

32:10

last decade or twenty years we

32:12

can do what we do in twenty years in three

32:14

to four so the pace is getting much better it

32:16

does look much better for farmers and ranchers that's why

32:18

they're coming to this in droves now because they're saying

32:21

i can actually get off the trip faster

32:23

i'm not going to cut it nitrogen in

32:25

my your first year i'm not going to

32:27

cut these herbicides are my first year but

32:30

they see a practical economically

32:32

viable pathway that isn't

32:35

twenty years long which takes a heck of a

32:37

lot of dedication it is two or

32:39

three or four years that they're able to to go on this trajectory

32:41

and save thirty percent on their

32:43

input cost your one that is that that's where we

32:45

need always comes down to finance comes down to money

32:47

i was on a you know i

32:50

was doing a tour on the vaccine issue with backs

32:52

remember i did of the bone you know interview on

32:54

a radio show guys with me

32:56

like you know is conservative love loved everything yeah

32:58

we should have a right to you know control

33:00

goes our body and i said it's just like

33:03

life is safe to spend ninety percent you know

33:05

life is a ton of our crops is a

33:07

world you know i don't know like we're

33:09

going to be wearing iowa or ohio wherever you said like

33:11

i'm in the middle of farmland here man and

33:13

and you know that doesn't go over well

33:15

here we love our life is say we

33:18

don't want someone just destroy what there's no

33:20

proof that that's toxic and you know farmers

33:22

need to make living that's how they make

33:24

living and i really got from the had

33:26

not thought about which is when

33:28

we talk about issues like this there

33:30

are that the people that are going to have

33:32

to ship the farmers who by the way they're

33:34

great great grandparents for probably doing it just like

33:36

this but there's any of our

33:38

way now it's like a died didn't

33:41

really feel like you're about to blindfold me time

33:43

i have behind my back and and then tell

33:45

me yeah i mean if the communities of the

33:47

pier thing which has been when i've gone to

33:49

these events these conferences and in the other country

33:51

and many other places they're saying you

33:53

know we need more support from people who

33:56

are willing to take this jump because their

33:58

communities their friends their uncle's like Oh, they're

34:00

uncles the chemical salesmen go but you're not gonna buy

34:02

my chemicals But I just wanted to set something here

34:04

as someone who's left And

34:07

and working with someone like Rick Clark all the time. He's

34:09

on the right Yeah, no things, but that's what's so

34:11

cool about this movement is you have people who are no

34:15

pardon I don't know if I'm

34:17

allowed to say here, but they're

34:19

there's nobody saying they're saying look

34:21

Let's put these ideologies aside and

34:23

Rick isn't saying you got

34:25

to cut this today Immediately and isn't fanatical

34:27

and and many of us are saying this

34:29

is a practical solution First

34:31

and foremost of second on second. It's

34:34

resilience third. It's water fourth It's biodiversity

34:36

fifth six six maybe climate is seventh

34:38

or eighth in the topic of what

34:40

it's doing But that's not what we're

34:42

starting with that's not the reason It's

34:44

being picked up and exciting a

34:47

huge generation of farmers right now to say I

34:49

can do this and it doesn't matter What's what

34:51

side of the political spectrum of a month? I

34:53

can believe in this because the leaders who are who are being

34:55

pointed to are Practical thinkers and

34:57

they're not doing that silo just because they're saying

34:59

there's a way to get here I'm not forcing

35:02

you to do it now But I

35:04

can show you how to do it and how to

35:06

make it economically viable and I think what's really exciting

35:08

is that? this is this

35:11

is being a farmer led movement

35:13

whereas organic with somewhat

35:15

a business CPG Company

35:18

driven marketing campaign and it's

35:20

even classified organics classified as

35:22

like a marketing term Whereas

35:26

regenerative agriculture. I think

35:28

really speaks to the DNA of

35:32

The farmer culture of America,

35:34

which is more sovereignty more

35:37

self-sufficient I'm buying everything from outside. I can

35:39

get my own Where

35:41

we're generating itself. That's right And

35:44

when they see when they actually

35:46

see how they can actually do that and

35:48

make more money doing it all

35:50

the you know The other things of the letting

35:52

go of the chemicals on some level They they

35:55

are doing that because they feel like their hands

35:57

are tied in many cases. And so

35:59

yeah it ultimately gives

36:02

a vision of hope. And seeing

36:04

over the last six years, this

36:06

huge insurgents of adoption

36:08

and participation in this movement is very

36:10

exciting. And it figures for economics, we're

36:13

talking about, for row crop, at least

36:15

80%, 78 to 80% more profits for

36:21

farmers doing this in row crop. 350%

36:24

more for ranchers who are doing regenerative. So

36:26

I mean, the economics just speak for themselves, that's

36:28

part of the big reason. Amazing, you have

36:30

a ton of celebrities in this documentary. It feels

36:33

like, you know, we just listened to Laura

36:35

Dern, you know, was putting the

36:37

VO on there, Woody Harrelson. Why are celebrities,

36:39

why were they attracted to this? I mean,

36:41

is it just, did you pitch it as

36:44

an environmental issue or is it different for

36:46

each person that you got involved in the

36:48

film? I mean,

36:50

I would say there's obviously

36:52

some variation between all those that

36:55

are participating, but I would

36:57

say, you know, the

36:59

energy of our infectious, passionate,

37:03

enthusiastic optimism and

37:07

showing them something that they hadn't, you know,

37:09

everybody wants to be a champion of something

37:11

good, you know? And

37:14

I think there's a lot of disenchantment

37:16

in the good solutions that we've been

37:18

bought and sold on. And

37:21

soil and nature

37:23

being a system

37:25

that is inherently healing and

37:27

how do we support that system is

37:30

I think a compelling idea at

37:32

the philosophical, spiritual and human level.

37:35

So, you know, Woody Harrelson, I've known him

37:37

20 years. He got married

37:39

in my mom's house in Kipahulu in Maui. And,

37:42

you know, he's a staunch

37:45

vegan. And I think when he

37:47

said yes to me, he didn't know what

37:49

he was saying yes to. But

37:52

I think he trusts over our

37:54

20 year relationship that

37:56

what I'm passionate about, you know,

37:58

that we're hopefully evolving. growing

38:00

and willing to shift our understanding

38:02

of things and he got

38:05

it and he was able to he

38:07

said okay well this the the the

38:09

upside is more powerful than my sort

38:11

of dogmatic stance and he was willing

38:13

to come to the table and you

38:15

know jump in on this common ground

38:18

we did he did kiss the ground he narrated

38:20

kiss the ground by himself yeah the first movie

38:22

which is available on netflix common ground's coming to

38:24

streaming in september by the way for folks out

38:26

there but i think it was important when we

38:28

work with woody the first time was a

38:30

big thing that we noticed and we had a powwow

38:32

about it before the final narration which was like woody

38:35

harrelson as much as he's been a

38:38

really amazing activist all his life was

38:40

sitting in a state of the

38:42

same state i was in yeah wait a minute

38:44

we're all just going to go off the cliff

38:47

slower and and so when he caught on to

38:49

the regenerative solution it did give him hope

38:51

and that was something that for all of us we got moved and

38:53

we're like we got to put that on camera and

38:55

have him expressing that change in

38:57

him that happened with this is

38:59

actually hope versus just a

39:02

little less bad and the other

39:04

he said to me personally i've

39:06

been an activist for 40 years

39:08

and i mostly think it was you

39:10

know it was inconsequential and

39:13

my participation in kiss the ground actually is

39:15

one of the first things that has me

39:17

feel like wow i'm doing something that is

39:19

you know moving and contributing you know he

39:21

told me he was like i had a

39:23

surreal moment where king charles

39:26

i met him and he said kiss the ground that's

39:28

one of my favorite movie i've sent that to a

39:30

thousand people wow um and he's like out of

39:32

all the things i've done this

39:34

is actually something look i've all i mean

39:36

of all the things that i've done like

39:39

one of my you know we've gone a

39:41

couple times to joel salatin's farm i got

39:43

to like dig my hands down into the

39:45

dirt there very much like you see in

39:47

that film and he'll show you i mean

39:49

and honestly like right across the dirt road

39:51

at the neighboring farm it is desolate there's

39:53

like it's it looks like a dust storm

39:55

blowing by and the cows are just like

39:58

i'm like what are they eating over there

40:00

and over here it's like fern gully you know

40:02

i have a great idea that you can feel

40:04

the water in the dirt that still there and

40:07

i just thought why isn't everyone

40:10

doing this and you know this is the kicker and

40:12

i thought i have a little short film i made

40:14

with dr alan williams is one of my favorite works

40:16

of gay brown is one of the stars of both

40:18

movies he

40:20

he was basically expressing like people have

40:22

the assumption that farmers renters just

40:24

know this inherently and we we want that to

40:26

be respected for all professional but the same way

40:28

you probably like the like assumed doctors but non-anil

40:31

they don't write better now right now it really

40:33

did good right now we have to assume on

40:35

the side of like weight maybe people don't know

40:37

and when we tried that on thirteen years ago

40:40

like i didn't know i was a no at

40:42

all environmentalist when i was twenty nine and i

40:44

had zero idea so we're going to probably be

40:46

outboard is not round got out or it turned

40:49

out week we went out with that very

40:51

clear thing like and when i'm in the senate when

40:53

i'm in the house when i'm talking with the people they've

40:56

been on the act committee for fifteen years everyone

40:59

would assume they know they don't know the farmers

41:01

don't know so this is a cool idea both

41:03

for the for the actors we work with were

41:05

environmentalist aside from what he a lot of amazing

41:07

environmentalist people who've been doing great work they

41:10

didn't know either so we always start from like

41:12

we didn't know probably people don't know turns out

41:14

we learn from the experts farmers and

41:16

ranchers don't know so that

41:18

the beauty of this is in an age-old tired

41:22

revolutionary solution that no one's been listening to

41:24

it's actually something that people actually don't get

41:27

once they get it i just watched a

41:29

clip of gay brown from another little uh... peace he

41:31

was basically saying when they're training

41:33

farmers they have euro go

41:36

back so when they're taking you know

41:38

i said thirty four acres are helping transition anyone

41:41

who goes to their stuff they don't go back with

41:43

the content for years and i'm going back none of

41:46

them go back because they get that this is a

41:48

trajectory that helped and i want to mention one

41:50

thing that really hit my heart when

41:52

i went to ranching at three hundred fifty time

41:54

percent more profitable right for a check the

41:57

number one reason ranchers asking

41:59

for assistance from folks like Gabe Brown and these

42:01

other rock stars is

42:03

for the birds. They used to

42:05

have birds 30-40 years

42:08

ago. The birds are gone and

42:10

they want their birds back. Wow. And

42:12

you're like it's not just money. It's

42:14

like where are my streams? Where are

42:16

my fish? Where are my birds? And that's

42:18

something that's like... Yeah. It's

42:20

huge. Huge for everybody. Yeah. It's gonna require that

42:23

we keep stepping up to the plate in bigger

42:25

arenas. So one of the reasons we had Regenerate

42:27

America was a campaign we've run for the last

42:29

two years from Kiss the Ground. We have 135

42:32

organizations working with us, farm groups and businesses.

42:34

But we've been going to DC because if

42:36

you don't show up and you don't get

42:39

the audience with these folks

42:41

and you don't click their brains or

42:43

their staffers brains into this idea, they

42:45

are being not controlled but

42:47

they are being super influenced

42:49

by the people who've been super influencing them

42:51

for a very long time. Right. And they're

42:54

starting to play the chum chum game. They're

42:56

like, oh yeah, we're going to be on

42:58

regenerative sides. You have them going to the

43:00

DC also talking about this and that's where

43:02

you if you don't show up and you

43:04

don't bring the farmers and ranchers along with

43:06

you to speak that reality to the power,

43:08

you're ultimately going to just get squashed. So

43:10

we have been pushing forward. So people, if

43:12

they want to sign the petition for Regenerate

43:14

America, it's at kisstheground.com

43:16

or regeneratamerica.com. You just put that in

43:19

if it's easier. But this is a way for

43:21

you to say, I want regenerative ag in the

43:23

farm bill. The farm bill's been delayed as a

43:25

lot of people know and hopefully will pass this year.

43:27

But we have to demand it. We've made huge progress,

43:29

lots of market bills involved and had a lot of

43:31

champions inside the House and Senate on both sides of

43:33

the aisle. But we're still ultimately knowing

43:36

we weren't going to win against big

43:38

ag today. Maybe we got to keep

43:40

going though. So this is where we have to keep

43:42

pushing all of us. Well, look,

43:45

I'm so psyched to be supporting this film.

43:47

I'm psyched to be supporting this movement. To

43:50

me, this really is. It's one of those

43:52

solutions that when Zach first

43:54

introduced it to me, I think this actually

43:56

brings both sides, left and right together. This

43:58

is our food. what we're eating. This

44:00

is what's going in our children's bodies. And

44:03

instead of, and one of the things, can

44:05

you imagine a country where if all of

44:07

our farmers move in this direction, then it's

44:09

not just the elitists that can afford the

44:12

organic food aisle at Whole Foods. Everybody

44:14

is eating this way. I mean, we really

44:16

need to start dreaming into that future and

44:18

to hear that more and more farmers are

44:20

moving in this direction. You can move tens

44:23

of millions of acres and

44:25

get it done in a few years.

44:27

It's really, really something that I think

44:29

is probably the most

44:31

exciting piece of the

44:33

food world of getting

44:36

big ag out of there, getting big chemical

44:38

out of there. And let's get back to

44:40

doing what we do best. Yeah. I mean,

44:42

hallelujah. I mean, really, that's why some new

44:45

age hippie guys

44:47

from California have

44:52

spent the last decade championing agriculture

44:56

because really it was like, wow, that, and

44:59

it also speaks to that

45:01

we, we, there is a place in all

45:03

of us that wants to love and wants

45:05

to be an expression of love. And what

45:07

are the mechanisms to express

45:10

our love and regeneration physically

45:13

and spiritually is everything

45:16

that we want to be participating in. And

45:18

it gives us a framework and a pathway.

45:20

And you have to be inclusive because as

45:23

you regenerate your ecosystem capacity increases. So instead

45:25

of being like, I'm going to kill that

45:27

thing now, that thing, that thing's the enemy

45:29

of like, you have to inherently look holistically

45:31

and be inclusive. And so you

45:34

have this, this perpetual direction

45:36

of understanding that everything's

45:38

connected, understanding that it's all there. And, and

45:40

I think it's, so remarkable.

45:42

Everyone I talked to in this movement

45:45

is just awestruck by how,

45:47

how much common ground

45:49

really is. And that's why I love the name

45:52

of the common ground because it's so genuine. This

45:54

is not just a couple guys who

45:56

were on the West coast started this up. This

45:58

is so much. unified party of

46:01

people from very different political religious

46:03

backgrounds whatever it races that are

46:05

coming together me i know this

46:07

is that sorry those folks

46:09

that this is what's happening in front of

46:11

us and it's both so practical scalable economic

46:14

and it's real and it's happening so where

46:16

people see common ground right now in theaters

46:18

check common ground uh... film.org or kiss the

46:20

ground.com is the organization you can find the

46:22

schedules there which is the future of the

46:24

showing last week that i think i think

46:26

i think i think i think i think

46:28

i think i think i think i think

46:30

that the people around us go on netflix

46:32

but streaming for common ground can happen in

46:34

september and yet we're just we just also

46:36

want to give a shout out to joshua beckett to kill

46:38

the directors who really made this happen

46:40

at the end of the event a huge part

46:42

of the production bringing all these faces and people

46:45

into it but i'll be at the end of

46:47

the made this terrific phenomenal film that really moves

46:49

people and uh... and so it's exciting we're now

46:51

working last one called ground flow which is the

46:53

international focus of the return of agriculture movement which

46:55

will be coming out in a couple years just

46:57

the ground.com is that the best way to sort

46:59

of follow the work that you guys are doing

47:01

that the winner or anything like that i mean

47:03

we're all kids are grounded for face books at

47:05

the ground cnc and because i started in california

47:07

alright will keep up the good work thank you

47:09

so much for making about here yet there was

47:11

a hey everybody get

47:14

out there and this is how we support

47:16

right we vote with our dollars do you

47:18

want this to be a future do you

47:20

want you know regenerative farming do you want

47:22

a biome that's going into your plants and

47:24

therefore in your body less drugs less chemicals

47:27

that's what we're all about here the howerson

47:29

definitely support this film get out there take

47:31

your friends and family and uh... let's start

47:33

this revolution uh... in food

47:35

all right it's that time of the

47:37

day the jackson port she

47:49

alright jeffrey coming into this you

47:51

know with a lot of hope got a hope

47:53

for farming so uh... what else

47:56

is going on in the world yet

47:58

wonderful to see those solutions out there

48:00

in the mix of this conversation because that's really where we

48:02

need to go. And I'm gonna

48:04

switch to a different conversation here,

48:06

but it's a similar idea. We

48:08

can take some steps right now,

48:11

very simple steps, to avoid making

48:13

an already bad crisis worse. And what am

48:15

I talking about? Well, it's hard to turn

48:18

on any news report nowadays or listen to

48:20

any podcast without the subject matter sounding

48:23

like this. Take a listen. All

48:25

right. First of its kind to me report

48:27

by the peer-reviewed journal The Lancet says mental

48:29

health issues were magnified by the pandemic. Data

48:31

shows rates of depression and anxiety in young

48:34

people rose by more than 50% in studies

48:36

from 2010 to 2019. Nearly

48:41

one out of every three American

48:43

adults reported having symptoms of anxiety

48:45

or depression this summer. An additional

48:47

53 million cases of

48:49

major depressive disorder and 76

48:52

million cases of anxiety disorders

48:54

were caused by COVID. We

48:56

have seen increased reports

48:58

of distress, increased reports of

49:01

stress, increased reports of individuals

49:03

feeling overwhelmed. A newest study by the American

49:06

Academy of Pediatrics finds a 64% increase

49:09

in antidepressants being prescribed to young people

49:11

in 2020 and

49:13

it's even higher for girls between the ages of 12 and 17, which

49:16

saw a 130% increase since March of 2020. Pharmaceutical

49:21

companies hold wide a reporting spike

49:23

in the most common prescribed antidepressant drug

49:25

from 10% in Australia to as high

49:27

as 34% in the U.S. While

49:31

the rise in numbers is alarming

49:33

antidepressants, they can actually be life-saving.

49:35

They say to keep an eye

49:37

on your child's behavior and mood

49:39

changes. Yeah,

49:43

I mean, this is one of those I told

49:45

you so as we saw that happening with the

49:47

COVID pandemic. You're gonna destroy the lives of these

49:49

kids and people and lock them down, take their

49:52

jobs, and here we are. And

49:54

so the question is, can people be helped in a

49:56

different way? Can we do stuff to

49:59

not make it happen? Make it any worse

50:01

and let's focus on the in that

50:03

report. It talks about the widespread use

50:05

of antidepressants and this is one of

50:08

the big tools in the toolbox for

50:10

Psychiatry is perhaps one of the biggest

50:12

their it as us our eyes, he's

50:15

A for mood disorders, these are for

50:17

depression, bipolar disorders and we look at

50:19

some of the the data surrounding this

50:22

is medicines three decades now of of

50:24

use for this this drug basically a

50:26

drug class and here's a study because

50:28

people are becoming. A long term users

50:31

of these drugs. Now this is the just

50:33

thirty days your life straight. This is something

50:35

you're out for to five years and counting

50:37

so it seems like I had to be.

50:40

Where every I have met that you know

50:42

is involved with this process of taking these

50:44

drugs is finding that they're never offer them

50:46

a major seems to me like you're on

50:48

this for life. Like where do they go

50:51

A day I needed it now. Why do

50:53

I suddenly no longer need it Right and

50:55

so just seems like they're They're on this

50:57

thing forever. Right and

50:59

so what? Some of the data showing

51:01

because you hear lot of the positive

51:03

about this but your to study ah

51:05

the Uk and it looked at two

51:08

hundred over two hundred and twenty thousand

51:10

people. They looked at the primary care

51:12

records for them, they went back and

51:14

looked as as looking at long term

51:16

treatment of antidepressants and adverse outcomes and

51:18

where they conclude. The authors concluded our

51:20

findings indicate an association between long term

51:22

anti depressant usage and elevated risk of

51:24

Cac as coronary heart disease. Cerebral.

51:26

Vascular Disease. C B

51:29

D Mortality and all cause mortality.

51:31

What's. Inside a good thing if you

51:34

try time a long term usage and

51:36

let's look at one of these one

51:38

of the popular ones as us our

51:40

eyes. This is selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors.

51:42

This is Zoloft. Let's just look at

51:45

the package insert of Zoloft right at

51:47

the top of the search for this

51:49

isn't the first page. Warning: suicidal thoughts

51:51

and behaviors on capital letters. The black

51:54

box warnings antidepressants increase the risk of

51:56

suicidal thoughts and behaviors in pediatric in

51:58

young adult patients. so. I mean,

52:00

this is always something that perplexes me

52:02

because you're taking this to

52:04

kind of avoid that in some people. And

52:06

it literally is causing the thing you're trying

52:08

to avoid. And these things are given to,

52:11

some of these drugs are given to people

52:13

as young as eight. So this is what

52:15

we're talking about here. And we've talked about

52:17

it before and I'm gonna put it out

52:19

there. And I know it's super controversial, but

52:21

while we're discussing all the school shootings in

52:23

these issues that are taking place in this

52:25

nation, like we're seeing nowhere else in the

52:27

world, this has certainly got

52:29

to be on the table. I mean, I know

52:31

a lot of people say you can't blame those

52:33

drugs, but when you see that label,

52:36

what happens? Suicidal thoughts, suicidal ideation.

52:38

And then when you look at

52:40

most of the manifestos by these

52:42

kids that go and do these

52:44

atrocities, it's just this, I

52:46

don't wanna live anymore and I don't care

52:48

if anyone else does. And we're giving this

52:50

product that enhances that. I mean, this is

52:53

where we've got to get into these regulatory

52:55

agencies. Can we do some

52:57

studies on just the psychological effects? Is it

52:59

possible this is what we're seeing? Is it

53:02

kids that were on these that are shooting

53:04

up the schools or they just came off

53:06

of it? I mean, things that we've gotta

53:08

be looking at. Put it all on the

53:11

table as we have these conversations. And

53:14

this class of drugs, SSRIs, last year, and

53:17

we've reported on this, there was a lightning bolt that

53:19

shot through this idea of

53:22

this changing and playing around with these

53:24

brain chemicals. And this is a study

53:26

here within nature. It's titled the Serotonin

53:28

Theory of Depression. And it was a

53:30

systematic umbrella review of the evidence. So they

53:32

looked at 17 studies. Most of these studies

53:34

were meta-analysis and systemic reviews. And

53:37

just for the viewers out there, those are some

53:39

of the strongest forms of evidence you can possibly

53:41

find. So if you think of like a pyramid,

53:44

the weakest would be a case study. Look at

53:46

maybe one person and say, well, it did something

53:48

for one person, but the meta-analysis, the systemic reviews,

53:50

that looks at bundles

53:52

of studies. So this is what this study was dealing

53:54

with. And what did they conclude? They wrote

53:57

this. Our comprehensive review of

53:59

the major strands of... research on serotonin

54:01

shows there is no convincing evidence that

54:03

depression is associated with or caused by

54:05

lower serotonin concentrations or activity. This

54:08

review suggests that the huge research

54:10

effort based on the serotonin hypothesis

54:12

has not produced convincing evidence of

54:15

a biochemical basis to depression. This

54:17

is consistent with research on many

54:19

other biological markers. We suggested it's

54:21

time to acknowledge that the serotonin

54:23

theory of depression is not empirically

54:25

substantiated. This is huge. I

54:28

mean that's amazing. I just want to

54:30

give, put my bias in here. The

54:32

pharmaceutical industry is really good at crafting

54:34

their studies and those are usually the

54:36

only studies being done worldwide. When all

54:38

the studies that you have funded yourself

54:40

to prove that this works end up

54:42

leading to that result, which is we

54:44

just don't see that this serotonin seems

54:46

to be affecting depression at all, that's

54:48

probably in a mountain of funding to

54:51

try and make studies show

54:53

that it actually is connected. So what

54:55

would happen if unbiased research was taking

54:57

place to be like this is the biggest

54:59

scam in the history of the world. Right

55:02

and so let's get to the heart

55:04

of this this conversation, this story here.

55:06

So as people are coming off these

55:08

drugs they're finding again 30 years

55:11

of usage of these drugs and they're

55:13

finding still new side effects

55:16

for people withdrawing from these drugs. One

55:18

of them is called, you're not gonna

55:21

believe this, it's called brain zaps and

55:23

this is actually written up here it

55:25

says in SSRI withdrawal brain zaps go

55:28

from overlooked symptom to center stage and

55:30

it says physicians were initially unaware or

55:32

dismissive of brain zaps due to limited

55:34

information and a focus on downplaying the

55:37

addictive nature of the antidepressants. So

55:39

the doctors were so interested on saying

55:41

these aren't addictive you can come off

55:43

these anytime and this is you

55:46

know they're saying it's rare see we've heard

55:48

that before but these are this is basically

55:50

electric electrical shot that goes through

55:52

people's brains they feel it inside their

55:54

brains it's actually reading about it's

55:57

on the surface of the brain but you feel inside your

55:59

brain it's obviously very disturbing. Some people say

56:01

it's like my brain has to stop and reboot

56:03

when it happens. It

56:05

itself causes anxiety, cognitive

56:07

issues. This is something

56:10

that's happening that doctors are

56:12

just now paying attention to. Why are

56:14

we bringing up all this information? Well,

56:16

it's because of this article

56:19

in Stat News, which just knocked

56:21

me off my seat, the time

56:23

has come for over-the-counter antidepressants. Now,

56:27

get ready for this. Now, what are they

56:29

talking about here? They're just talking about doling

56:31

these things out like candy. A new license

56:33

has to be given

56:35

for that to become over-the-counter. So you

56:37

think, okay, great. Well, maybe they can

56:39

start incorporating some of these new side effects, do

56:42

some new research on this. The serotonin theory is

56:44

in question. Maybe we can finally get to the

56:46

root of this. But you go into this article

56:48

and it talks about this new licensing to get

56:50

this done. It says, this process would primarily involve

56:52

studies to prove that consumers can

56:54

understand and follow the medication label,

56:56

not new clinical trials, because more

56:59

than three decades of evidence shows

57:01

that SSRI antidepressants are safe and

57:03

effective. We need to

57:05

really pump brakes here as a society because anybody

57:08

knows, common sense, these aren't safe.

57:11

There's risk to them. And five seconds of

57:13

research will prove that. And for people to

57:15

go out and say- Hold on a second.

57:17

I just want to make a call for

57:19

the team right here because it just as

57:21

I read that, I just reflect on Aldous

57:23

Huxley who wrote Brave New World at the

57:25

center. That was this idea of Soma. Everyone's

57:27

going to be taking a drug to be

57:29

made happy. And I remember, there's a

57:32

famous interview he did back in the

57:34

beginning of television, I

57:36

believe, with Mike Wallace early

57:39

in his career where he

57:41

predicts that we're all going to

57:43

be taking a drug to accept the world that we

57:45

shouldn't be accepting. Take a look at

57:47

this. In this book that you mentioned, this book

57:49

of mine, Brave New World, I

57:52

postulated a substance called Soma, which

57:54

was a very versatile

57:56

drug. It would make

57:59

people feel happy in small doses,

58:01

it would make them see

58:03

visions in medium doses and it would send

58:06

them to sleep in large doses. Well,

58:08

I don't think such a drug exists now, nor

58:10

do I think it will ever exist, but we

58:12

do have drugs which will

58:14

do some of these things and I think it's

58:17

quite on the cards that we may

58:19

have drugs which will

58:21

profoundly change our mental

58:23

state without doing

58:25

us any harm. And that

58:27

is the pharmacological revolution which has taken

58:29

place, that we have now powerful

58:32

mind-changing drugs which physiologically

58:35

speaking are almost costly. I

58:37

mean, they are not like

58:39

opium or like cocaine which do

58:43

change the state of mind, but

58:45

to leave terrible results physiologically and

58:47

morally. How

58:50

shocking is that? It's like

58:52

the guy is taking a

58:54

time capsule from the moment

58:56

we live in going back

58:58

until like 1950s, 1960s early

59:00

and then saying you're

59:02

all going to be taking drugs and

59:04

here we are, here's the moment it's

59:06

happening where suddenly I can just walk

59:08

in and just drug myself, drug my

59:10

kid, oh they're misbehaving, let me just

59:12

drug them, let the school just drug

59:14

them with a product that as you

59:16

pointed out doesn't even do its job.

59:20

We don't have to go down this

59:22

road. This will say something about society

59:24

that we may not be able to

59:26

reverse at that point. And what we're

59:28

finding too, this is New York Times,

59:30

that antidepressants are addictive. People

59:32

can't get off them. So this is

59:34

something obviously that wasn't at the beginning.

59:37

They weren't really studying this when they started doling

59:39

these out, Prozac by the millions of doses. And

59:42

this is obviously another issue

59:44

and a laundry list of issues. But

59:46

here is another one. This one has

59:48

just come about in the last, I

59:50

would say about five years. Again, what

59:53

was considered rare, doctors weren't listening to

59:55

their patients because they thought this was just

59:57

a side effect of depression itself. We're

59:59

talking about. sexual dysfunction, not

1:00:01

during the drug while you're on it, after

1:00:04

you stop taking the

1:00:06

drug. Here's one of the headlines. They're

1:00:08

calling it an epidemic, the hidden epidemic

1:00:10

of sexual dysfunction, which experts blame on

1:00:12

SSRI antidepressants. And

1:00:14

let's just go in here because it will unpack this

1:00:16

a little bit because a lot of people are sharing

1:00:19

this for the first time. It says, the symptoms they

1:00:21

describe, these are the patients, are strikingly similar, genital

1:00:24

numbness, a total lack of sensation around the growing,

1:00:26

and for men, erectile dysfunction. They report

1:00:28

they no longer experience sexual or romantic

1:00:30

attraction at all and have been

1:00:32

left with an emotional numbness. Most

1:00:35

have seen relationships collapse as a result

1:00:37

while others have missed out on the

1:00:39

chance to have children. Some have never

1:00:41

experienced pleasure during sex called anhedonia and

1:00:44

worry they never will. Significantly,

1:00:46

all have found their symptoms repeatedly

1:00:48

dismissed by medical professionals who insisted

1:00:50

they are linked to their underlying

1:00:52

depression and not the pills. Dr.

1:00:54

Joanna Moncrie, professor of critical and

1:00:56

social psychiatry at the University College

1:00:58

London, says, the majority of people

1:01:01

taking SSRIs will get some form of

1:01:03

sexual dysfunction. There's no doubt about that.

1:01:05

They're prescribed as sex defenders to curb

1:01:07

the libido, so it isn't a huge

1:01:09

stretch to imagine that symptoms persist. She

1:01:11

adds, the other thing that makes it

1:01:14

convincing is all the evidence about prolonged

1:01:16

withdrawal symptoms from SSRIs. If

1:01:18

you take drugs for a long time, they alter

1:01:20

the brain in ways that may be permanent or

1:01:23

at least take a long time to normalize. Wait

1:01:26

a minute. So it just said that they actually

1:01:28

prescribe these things to sex offenders because they know

1:01:32

that it inhibits your

1:01:34

sexual desire. And so,

1:01:38

again, we talk about, we should

1:01:40

be looking at school shootings. When

1:01:42

we, this other conversation we've been

1:01:44

having a lot on this desire,

1:01:46

this confusion, the

1:01:49

body dysmorphia, the transgender thing in children,

1:01:51

many of these children feeling like they're

1:01:54

in the wrong body. As we've talked

1:01:56

to those that are trying to detransition,

1:01:58

saying, I was depressed. I

1:02:00

was on antidepressants, my psychiatrist said maybe I'm

1:02:03

in the wrong body, I decided to get

1:02:05

a sex change operation. Well now,

1:02:08

doesn't that sort of at least

1:02:10

potentially bring in a cause

1:02:12

of why so many kids are saying that

1:02:15

they just feel like they're in the

1:02:17

wrong body? I mean, if you've got

1:02:20

numbness and you've got no attraction to,

1:02:22

you know, based on gender or sexuality,

1:02:24

I mean, what a

1:02:26

mess they're making with this

1:02:28

whole thing. It seems

1:02:31

like that would be a common sense approach

1:02:33

to perhaps start some studies, but absolutely. And

1:02:36

in 2019, the European Medicines Agency actually

1:02:38

added their own black box warnings specifically

1:02:40

for this. And this is it right

1:02:42

here, you can look at it, talking

1:02:45

sexual dysfunction, selective serotonin

1:02:47

uptake inhibitors. And

1:02:49

it says there have been reports of

1:02:51

long lasting sexual dysfunction where the symptoms

1:02:53

have continued despite discontinuation of SSRIs and

1:02:55

SNRIs. So they're

1:02:58

calling it really post SSRI sexual

1:03:00

dysfunction. So it's actually a term

1:03:02

now. And so we're

1:03:05

reporting on all of this and it's a

1:03:07

lot to take in. Obviously, there's a direction

1:03:09

here, we're following the evidence, but it's important

1:03:11

to understand that you can't just quit these

1:03:14

medications. There are safe ways to do this

1:03:16

and correct ways to do this. They talk

1:03:18

about the medical community does something called tapering,

1:03:20

they do cross tapering, they manage the symptoms

1:03:22

as you're coming off this. It's a very

1:03:24

delicate process. So in fact, the Cleveland Clinic

1:03:27

actually put out a complete review of

1:03:29

some of these issues in

1:03:31

their medical journal, discontinuing antidepressants, perils and

1:03:34

pitfalls. And it goes through all of

1:03:36

some of the strategies, all of the

1:03:38

things that may happen to look

1:03:40

out for. But it's

1:03:42

interesting, it says in there, one

1:03:45

of the sentences or paragraphs, it says,

1:03:47

who is most at risk of discontinuation

1:03:49

symptoms? You think that would be an

1:03:51

important question for the medical community. It

1:03:53

says, despite extensive literature on ADS, that's

1:03:55

antidepressant discontinuation syndrome, again, there's a term

1:03:58

for it, there is still little known

1:04:00

about the patient characteristics that pose

1:04:02

the most roles. No one's ever

1:04:04

looked. Nevertheless, though the risk

1:04:07

of ADS cannot be eliminated, it can be reduced

1:04:09

through awareness of known risk factors. So that's where

1:04:11

we're at right now. We

1:04:14

just need to have awareness of this. But

1:04:16

you know, the take away. Let me just

1:04:18

make that caveat to everyone in the audience.

1:04:20

For those of you that maybe are using

1:04:22

SSRIs, we mean no

1:04:24

judgment on this show. We are simply showing

1:04:26

what we find. We're on

1:04:29

an investigation showing the side effects.

1:04:31

I'm sure there's people that have

1:04:33

had their lives saved by these

1:04:35

products. But if you watch a show

1:04:37

like this and decide, I need to get

1:04:39

off of those drugs, definitely please consult

1:04:42

the professional in doing that. We want to

1:04:44

make sure that everybody's safe and healthy and

1:04:46

there's the right way to do things and

1:04:48

clearly based on those warnings the

1:04:51

wrong way. Right.

1:04:53

It's very important. What

1:04:55

we're also trying to do here with the over the counter

1:04:58

idea, that's the first time I've seen

1:05:00

that idea really start floating in mainstream.

1:05:02

We're trying to avoid a scandal, a

1:05:04

crisis here to go further down this

1:05:06

hole. There's actually a

1:05:08

scandal that has unfolded and is coming

1:05:10

to an end now. It's happening in

1:05:12

the UK. American audiences

1:05:15

probably don't hear about it or understand

1:05:17

it really because it's such a big

1:05:19

deal over there but it hasn't crossed

1:05:21

over to the reporting here. So if

1:05:23

you haven't seen anything on this, take

1:05:25

a look at some of these clips.

1:05:28

It is a scandal that

1:05:30

has already claimed thousands of

1:05:32

lives. Tens of thousands of

1:05:34

people were infected by contaminated

1:05:36

blood transfusions. It was hailed as

1:05:38

a miracle treatment. For

1:05:40

many, it was a death sentence. As

1:05:42

many as 30,000 people in the UK

1:05:44

were given blood treatments infected with HIV

1:05:47

and hepatitis C that was between the

1:05:49

1970s and 1991. The

1:05:53

UK was short of blood

1:05:55

clotting treatments. This

1:05:58

was particularly acute for thousands. of

1:06:01

hemophiliacs and the National Health Service turned

1:06:03

to a product called Turek.

1:06:06

Factor 8, made from blood plasma,

1:06:08

was imported in the 1970s and

1:06:10

80s, much of it from the

1:06:12

United States where it was collected

1:06:14

from prisoners, sex workers and

1:06:16

drug users who were paid for their

1:06:18

blood. 1,250

1:06:21

people with bleeding disorders in the

1:06:23

UK got HIV and hepatitis

1:06:25

C as a result of this.

1:06:28

380 children, two

1:06:30

thirds later died of AIDS

1:06:33

related illnesses. I was

1:06:35

given some contaminated blood products from the government and

1:06:38

with that I got HIV, hepatitis

1:06:40

C, VCJD and

1:06:42

the hepatitis AMV. So with that my

1:06:44

life has been kind of turned upside

1:06:46

down. These individuals are people

1:06:48

that have been fighting for answers for almost

1:06:51

50 years. And despite

1:06:53

years of campaigning, the government only announced a

1:06:55

full inquiry to 2017. Around

1:06:58

2,900 people are thought to have died from

1:07:00

this and inquiry into the scandal is set

1:07:02

to conclude in May. I've cleared

1:07:04

some inquiry, Will. Give

1:07:06

us some justice and some peace. Wow.

1:07:12

So, you know, we're reporting on

1:07:14

this for several reasons. One,

1:07:16

to hold the people that are responsible to

1:07:19

feed to the fire, to get justice obviously

1:07:21

for the people that are still alive and

1:07:23

their families. But also

1:07:25

to show, there's a common stream

1:07:28

in the conversation of, well, you know, things

1:07:30

like the Tuskegee medical experience, that happened, you

1:07:32

know, 80 years ago. The medical community

1:07:36

doesn't do that stuff anymore. We're

1:07:38

much more conscious now about what

1:07:40

we're doing. So let's

1:07:42

look how this really came down.

1:07:45

So in 2017, after decades of

1:07:47

trying to get justice here, you

1:07:49

had this inquiry started in the

1:07:51

UK. And it gained steam pretty

1:07:53

quickly. This was the Lancet. UK

1:07:56

government announces contaminated blind query by 2020.

1:08:00

The ministers have committed publicly to supporting

1:08:02

the completion of this and getting compensation

1:08:04

for the victims. But at the

1:08:06

center of this is, there's a lot of

1:08:08

people, but one of them is Jason Evans,

1:08:10

and he is a director, but he's also

1:08:12

lost his father to the infected blood scandal.

1:08:14

And he was the lead claimant, and

1:08:17

he tried to sue in high court

1:08:19

to get justice. And

1:08:22

that was before this inquiry started. Then

1:08:25

it kind of got just wrapped up into this whole

1:08:27

thing. And he actually made a

1:08:29

documentary called In Cold Blood to

1:08:31

just look at

1:08:33

this entire situation. Factor 8 is

1:08:35

what it's called. So how

1:08:38

do we get here? What really happened? You can

1:08:40

get an idea from that reporting, but when you

1:08:42

dig into it, it really paints a

1:08:45

picture that I think everyone needs to look at. So

1:08:47

there was a company named ImmunoAG, and

1:08:49

they supplied a lot of the

1:08:51

factor 8, the plasma, the

1:08:54

key components for this clotting

1:08:56

drug to the UK, to the NHS,

1:08:58

to their medical community there, from the

1:09:00

70s all the way to 91. And

1:09:04

in their documents, now this has been released because

1:09:06

of this public inquiry. So that's why this is

1:09:08

so interesting. We really can't turn our backs on

1:09:11

government ever, because the keys are in

1:09:13

the ignition there.

1:09:16

If you start it, they will do some deep dive research,

1:09:18

make these things public, make this a big issue, which it

1:09:21

has become in the UK. So we

1:09:23

look at some of these internal

1:09:25

documents, and this company was out

1:09:27

of Austria, and they had collection

1:09:29

places in Austria, in Germany, where

1:09:31

people were donating plasma, and they

1:09:33

called it Cryobulin, that was the

1:09:35

product name. It says Cryobulin 2

1:09:38

will be significantly cheaper than Cryobulin

1:09:40

1, because the British market will

1:09:42

accept a higher risk of hepatitis

1:09:44

for a lower-priced product. In the long

1:09:46

term, Cryobulin 1 will disappear from the

1:09:48

British market. So what are they talking

1:09:50

about there? Cryobulin 1

1:09:53

was basically given from

1:09:56

free donations by people in Austria

1:09:58

and in Germany. Cryobulin 2,

1:10:01

because it's significantly cheaper, is because

1:10:03

it was taken from prisoners in

1:10:06

the US. This is a US-based product. It

1:10:09

was sex workers, homeless people,

1:10:12

and so there was a higher risk of contamination

1:10:14

there. And you can see, that was in 1974,

1:10:16

75, these documents are. So

1:10:20

right at the beginning of this factor 8, it

1:10:23

was starting. But you can see in more internal

1:10:25

documents here, we'll go into this, where are they

1:10:27

being collected? And this

1:10:29

was to one of the heads of the company.

1:10:31

It says, for your personal information at the moment,

1:10:34

our plasma-phoresis stations are located in New York, Baltimore,

1:10:36

Birmingham, Alabama, Philadelphia, and Knoxville.

1:10:39

Well, it's commonly known that somewhere

1:10:41

between the mid to late 70s,

1:10:44

AIDS was starting in New York,

1:10:46

San Francisco. So literally, their blood

1:10:48

collection, the plasma collection station, was

1:10:51

in New York at the heart

1:10:53

of the AIDS epidemic. And

1:10:56

it's really important to understand, the way they

1:10:58

make this factor 8 product is they pull,

1:11:00

they get these shipments in, and they pull

1:11:02

all of this plasma, these blood products

1:11:05

into one vat. So even

1:11:08

if you get 10 people that aren't

1:11:10

infected with anything, with AIDS, with hepatitis

1:11:12

C, and you get one or two

1:11:14

that are, it infects the whole product

1:11:16

line. So huge problem there. How

1:11:18

many would they put together at one time? How

1:11:21

many different blood samples? I've

1:11:24

read up to 60,000 was the high end. 60,000,

1:11:28

all at one time. So you're making it,

1:11:30

in fact, impossible to avoid having

1:11:33

a blood infection that's contaminating

1:11:35

everything. Wow. Right.

1:11:38

Right. And so there were people,

1:11:40

there were doctors looking at this and going, hey,

1:11:43

there are hepatitis, we're seeing a lot

1:11:45

of hepatitis cases where we're starting to

1:11:48

see AIDS cases in these transfusions. We

1:11:51

really need to look into this. So doctors

1:11:53

started, while still giving this factor A, they

1:11:55

didn't stop giving it, they started to do

1:11:58

studies. And these studies... were

1:12:00

patients were not given informed consent. So

1:12:02

this is a second layer upon this

1:12:04

scandal. So this is a BBC headline,

1:12:07

and it reads, infected blood scandal, children

1:12:09

were used as guinea pigs in clinical

1:12:11

trials. And let's really go through this

1:12:13

for a second. Luke O'Shea

1:12:16

Phillips, 42, has mild hemophilia, a

1:12:18

blood clotting disorder that means he

1:12:20

bruises and bleeds more easily than

1:12:22

most. He caught the potentially lethal

1:12:24

viral infection hepatitis C while being treated at

1:12:27

the Middlesex Hospital in central London, which was

1:12:29

administered because of a small cut to his

1:12:31

mouth, aged 3 in 1985. Documents

1:12:35

seen by the BBC suggest he was

1:12:37

deliberately given the blood product, which his

1:12:39

doctor knew might have been infected, so

1:12:41

he could be enrolled in a clinical

1:12:43

trial. The doctor wanted to find out

1:12:45

how likely patients were to catch diseases

1:12:47

from a new version of heat treated

1:12:49

factor VIII. Though he had never

1:12:51

been treated for his condition before, Luke was given heat

1:12:53

treated factor VIII to stop his mouth bleeding. A

1:12:56

letter from Luke's doctor, Samuel Macon,

1:12:58

to another expert in hemophilia was

1:13:00

submitted in evidence to the public

1:13:03

inquiry into the infected blood scandal,

1:13:05

writing to Peter Kurnoff at London's

1:13:07

Royal Free Hospital. Dr. Macon detailed

1:13:09

the treatment of Luke and another

1:13:11

boy, asking, quote, I hope that

1:13:13

they will be suitable for your

1:13:16

heat treated trial. Documents reveal doctors

1:13:18

knew Luke had contracted hepatitis C

1:13:20

as early as 1993, but

1:13:22

he was not told until 1997. One

1:13:25

medical record states a positive test result

1:13:28

and says, have not discussed with

1:13:30

patient or family. So

1:13:32

what these medical doctors in this community

1:13:34

was trying to do, they were testing

1:13:36

out if treating this factor VIII, heat

1:13:38

treating it, would kill some of the

1:13:40

hepatitis, would lessen this viral

1:13:43

burden for these transfusions. And

1:13:45

so these people were put

1:13:47

in these trials. There's

1:13:49

so many documents to show that these trials were

1:13:51

going on. This is just one of them I

1:13:53

grabbed, people can read all

1:13:55

of these on their own. But there's

1:13:57

also a compensation scheme that was suggested.

1:14:00

Now, this is the important part of

1:14:02

this because the government, a lot of

1:14:04

people in the government and ex-government officials

1:14:06

like Boris Johnson, they're behind compensation to

1:14:09

get compensation to these people as fast

1:14:11

as possible. Typically, this is unlike most

1:14:13

governments that do this. Rishi

1:14:16

Sunik is where this stands. The buck stops

1:14:18

with him. So far, he has denied any

1:14:20

type of scheme to be green lit. But

1:14:23

the amount of pressure he's getting is

1:14:25

enormous by the public and politicians in

1:14:28

general. So, this is a compensation scheme. And

1:14:30

this was in the public inquiry. This is

1:14:32

their second report. And they outlined. And it's

1:14:35

really interesting here to see this because you

1:14:37

have the person here, the person affected, and

1:14:39

you have all different types. You have literally

1:14:41

five types of different awards that could be

1:14:43

possible for them or all five on top

1:14:45

of that. So, you know, we think of

1:14:48

other award systems. It's

1:14:50

just this flat award or, you know, we'll just

1:14:52

pay your medical costs. They're talking about the

1:14:55

cost of their social life, the cost that took them away

1:14:57

from their families. So, this is

1:14:59

a really thorough compensation scheme. So,

1:15:01

it would be really interesting if

1:15:04

this thing gets green lit because it

1:15:06

could set a precedent for future harms.

1:15:09

And this is the latest headline here.

1:15:11

You have 180, more than 180 politicians

1:15:13

demand immediate financial compensation for infected blood

1:15:15

scandal victims. So, this is – you're

1:15:17

seeing the government come together in a

1:15:19

very rare way to address

1:15:23

this controversy and this scandal to get

1:15:25

the victims the compensation they need. So, I think

1:15:27

this is a glimmer of hope in a story

1:15:29

that's just heartbreaking. You know,

1:15:31

I think as we look at this,

1:15:33

what you're watching is in real time

1:15:35

now how governments, you know, modern democracies

1:15:37

or republics, whatever you want to call

1:15:39

them, go out of their

1:15:42

way to hide the mistake. And this is

1:15:44

human nature. This is where anyone that just

1:15:46

believes in government agencies right now just believes

1:15:48

your – my doctor would tell me if

1:15:51

they knew. You see it

1:15:53

time and time again. This is an issue

1:15:55

that comes from the 1970s through the 90s.

1:15:59

It's compli – About I'm sure in the

1:16:01

middle of A yet doctors in the

1:16:04

middle of it recognizing cheese were giving

1:16:06

you know I hemophiliacs aids in and

1:16:08

Hepatitis C and we're talking to each

1:16:10

other about it knows bringing the case

1:16:13

there and in only one someone you

1:16:15

know finally either their affluent enough for

1:16:17

you know I don't know intense enough

1:16:20

to demand a in investigations two thousand

1:16:22

and seventeen starts happening in in only

1:16:24

like seven years later after I'm I'm

1:16:27

sure every government agencies tried to shut

1:16:29

it down. Try to hold backs

1:16:31

it finally see the light of day

1:16:33

which would beg this old ask the

1:16:35

questions how many things right now are

1:16:37

contaminated people and selling them as we

1:16:40

know it's that we won't hear about

1:16:42

for fifty freaking years. Especially the covered

1:16:44

vaccine. This is something I've said. You

1:16:46

really believe that he at the a

1:16:48

your the Cdc will ever admit that

1:16:50

they force of products older brother the

1:16:52

United States to take away your job.

1:16:55

If you don't take it's now that

1:16:57

we're see hard. The task across a

1:16:59

rule receives turbo. Cancers. Do you really

1:17:01

think government agencies ago draw the way say

1:17:03

ah are bad that's on us really sorry

1:17:06

sorry your browser bizarre, sorry told y'all to

1:17:08

get it and still you could go to

1:17:10

your job if you didn't get a cast

1:17:12

as it's results are more suited Situation: we're

1:17:15

not have very high risk of turbo cancers

1:17:17

in heart attacks and hard as it is

1:17:19

never gonna happen is never going to happen

1:17:22

in. This is a problem when governments are

1:17:24

making decisions for our bodies so I don't

1:17:26

care where you're at on the issue of

1:17:28

vaccines. Are any of this. I'm against

1:17:30

government mandates of anything that affects my

1:17:33

body periods. You want to do your

1:17:35

research. I get to do my. We

1:17:37

get to decide how we're going to

1:17:39

see our bodies are children and let

1:17:41

the chips fall where they make. But

1:17:43

I do not trust government's making these

1:17:45

decisions and now every time see when

1:17:47

his stories. I never ever ever will

1:17:49

trust that governments make a better decisions

1:17:52

for us than we made by ourselves

1:17:54

And that's why Mass Swipe jumped off

1:17:56

the ship. Government doesn't know best. You.

1:17:58

know we gotta get them out our lives so

1:18:00

that we're making our own decisions. I'm

1:18:03

getting heated because it's just so infuriating

1:18:05

to hear just how many of these

1:18:07

stories have happened. And

1:18:10

I think one of the morals of this

1:18:12

story is just because your government doesn't acknowledge

1:18:14

something does not mean it doesn't exist. And

1:18:16

to keep pushing, to keep doing the research,

1:18:18

to keep getting the word out there in

1:18:20

any way you can because at

1:18:22

some point you may be helping someone else, at

1:18:25

some point your government may acknowledge it and there

1:18:27

may be a compensation and there may be a

1:18:30

homecoming for some of this information and

1:18:32

finally putting it to rest. So great

1:18:34

point, Del. And

1:18:36

believe me for everyone out there, people have said

1:18:38

walk away from the autism issue, Del. There's

1:18:41

so many other things you can prove we will

1:18:43

never walk away. The high wire will never walk

1:18:45

away. The informed consent action network is never going

1:18:48

to walk away. We recognize the injuries that are

1:18:50

happening out there in the world to those that

1:18:52

are receiving vaccines. And everybody, and

1:18:54

I'm not here to talk about who

1:18:57

it works for, we are focused on

1:18:59

who it's not working for. It's not

1:19:01

working for a vast group of children

1:19:03

and parents that are suffering and we

1:19:05

will make sure that one day, hopefully

1:19:08

sooner than later, that in the courts

1:19:10

of law, in the governments around the

1:19:12

world, they will have to atone for

1:19:14

what they've done wrong. They will have

1:19:16

to reimburse as this what's happening here

1:19:18

in the UK. They will have to

1:19:20

pay to take care of these children

1:19:22

and these injuries and these families that

1:19:24

have been so completely disrupted by one

1:19:26

of the greatest lies ever told. So

1:19:29

we're committed to it, never going to walk away from

1:19:31

it. I don't care what anyone

1:19:33

says about me. I don't care what the

1:19:35

New York Times, the Washington Post, or any

1:19:37

headline you want to bring. The science is

1:19:40

now there. More science needs to be

1:19:42

done and God willing, it will be

1:19:44

done immediately. Jeffrey,

1:19:46

thank you for that report. Thank you for giving

1:19:48

me so fired up. Okay. I'll

1:19:50

see you next week. Well,

1:19:53

I mean, obviously

1:19:56

I'm passionate about this. These are the things that

1:19:58

I care about. You

1:20:00

know, these are God's children that were

1:20:02

just lied to and destroyed and hurt

1:20:04

for no reason for a bottom line

1:20:07

so that you could get a cheaper

1:20:09

blood product. Like the government's, well, let's

1:20:11

go ahead and just spend another $100

1:20:13

billion on somebody else's

1:20:16

war, on somebody else's border, but let's

1:20:18

like save a couple nickels on a

1:20:20

blood product we're giving to our own

1:20:22

citizens. This insanity in the world has

1:20:24

got to stop and the high wire is going to

1:20:27

point it out as long as we are here. One

1:20:29

of the big things we're pointing out

1:20:32

as I've said is this stupid,

1:20:34

terrible COVID vaccine that was rushed

1:20:36

on the market by crony capitalism

1:20:39

and some agenda. God knows how

1:20:41

deep it goes, but

1:20:43

now the repercussions are happening and the world would

1:20:45

not really know about it. There would be no

1:20:47

facts to be really sink your teeth into. I

1:20:49

mean, how do we know? We're

1:20:52

not going to wait 50 years. The high wire

1:20:54

is not waiting 50 years. You know what we

1:20:56

got? We got air in Siri today. About

1:20:59

50 years from now, immediately, the moment this

1:21:01

vaccine was released, we put our legal team

1:21:03

on it. We said, you have tracking systems.

1:21:05

We know you do and you're not going to

1:21:07

hold them back for, I think it was

1:21:09

75 years the FDA

1:21:11

wanted to hold back the data on the

1:21:13

Moderna vaccine and the Pfizer vaccine. They wanted

1:21:15

to hold back the v-safe data. Well, guess

1:21:18

what? For those of you that are donating

1:21:20

the high wire, you made it possible for

1:21:22

us to not have to wait a half

1:21:24

a century. And this is where we're at

1:21:26

right now. As

1:21:36

many of you are aware, on behalf of ICANN,

1:21:39

we have been suing the CDC

1:21:41

for well over two years with

1:21:43

regards to their v-safe data. This

1:21:46

is the safety system they said would

1:21:48

assure that COVID-19 vaccines are safe and

1:21:51

that they're tracking their safety. When

1:21:53

we finally got that data, it

1:21:55

showed that over 7.7% of the users reported needing

1:22:00

medical attention and on average 2-3

1:22:02

times after getting a COVID-19 vaccine

1:22:04

and over 70% of

1:22:07

those were emergency room, urgent care

1:22:09

or hospitalised situations. So, serious stuff and

1:22:11

it shows why the CDC didn't want

1:22:13

to release it to the public. Well,

1:22:16

there was one other set of data

1:22:18

that the CDC didn't release and that

1:22:21

was the free text field, basically boxes

1:22:23

where people could type in typically up

1:22:25

to 250 characters, just

1:22:27

any information on other symptoms that they wanted.

1:22:30

Well, CDC fought vigorously to also hide

1:22:32

that data and as many of you

1:22:34

already know, a judge thankfully ordered

1:22:36

that it be released. In February, the CDC released

1:22:38

390,000 of those entries and another 390,000 were released

1:22:44

last month as well. We

1:22:47

covered some of the disturbing findings from the

1:22:49

first batch and what we can tell you

1:22:52

is that many of those disturbing findings from the

1:22:54

first batch, 390,000 entries, we

1:22:56

also see in the second batch, so there

1:22:58

is a consistency so far. Some

1:23:00

of the very disturbing conditions

1:23:03

that we saw at an

1:23:05

alarming rate, including things like

1:23:08

palsy, shingles, tinnitus, heart palpitations,

1:23:11

the CDC should have been very

1:23:13

concerned about this data. It

1:23:16

probably was and that's probably precisely why

1:23:18

it fought so hard to hide it

1:23:20

from the public. We still have 10

1:23:22

more batches to go with an

1:23:24

increasing number that is going to be produced every

1:23:26

month and as they come in, I'm sure I

1:23:29

can't report to you exactly what it was. I

1:23:42

know many of you are tracking

1:23:44

these document dumps very closely that

1:23:46

Aaron's serious team has been able

1:23:48

to fight for and

1:23:50

deliver this data, the Pfizer

1:23:53

data, the Moderna data, the

1:23:55

v-safe data is currently being

1:23:57

used in lawsuits all

1:23:59

across the state. the world, all

1:24:01

across the world, not lawsuits just by the

1:24:03

informed consent action network, but by everybody because

1:24:06

of our open platform, because we are presenting

1:24:08

it to the world, which is the only

1:24:10

thing we want to do. We just wanted

1:24:12

to make sure that they were as transparent

1:24:14

as they promised they would be, that the

1:24:17

government of the United States of America that

1:24:19

did most of the testing on this was

1:24:21

involved and said, we'll be totally transparent. We

1:24:23

recognize we're rushing this out onto you, but

1:24:25

then when it came to releasing the data,

1:24:27

oh, actually, we need 75 years to be

1:24:30

able to deliver that. We said, oh, hell

1:24:32

no. Oh, hell no. You're going to

1:24:34

deliver it right away. And they are.

1:24:36

We are spending millions in courtrooms to

1:24:38

make sure that our government is transparent

1:24:40

so that the world can see what's

1:24:43

going on here. And that is only

1:24:45

made possible, only made possible

1:24:47

by you, by your $1 donation, your $5

1:24:51

a month, your $25 a month is

1:24:53

making sure that we don't wait for

1:24:55

50 years to save people's lives. We

1:24:58

get to do it immediately. So please, there

1:25:00

is so much work that needs to be

1:25:02

done. There's so many lawsuits we do need

1:25:04

to bring. Then there's other products that are

1:25:07

being made that we need to stop immediately.

1:25:09

We need investigations on and we're held up.

1:25:11

Look, we're doing an amazing work and you're

1:25:13

all making it possible. But should

1:25:15

we have any limits? The only limit

1:25:17

is how many of you decide that this is

1:25:19

important to you. That's the only

1:25:22

limit we have right now because we can

1:25:24

keep hiring more brilliant lawyers that want to

1:25:26

save the world. We can keep doing investigations

1:25:28

across the world to find out wherever there's

1:25:31

a stone that needs to be unturned. Our

1:25:33

only limit is how many of you watching,

1:25:35

the millions of you watching right now that

1:25:37

are thinking, I don't know if it's worth

1:25:40

my dollar. I don't know what

1:25:42

it's going to take, but I hope today watching

1:25:44

what's going down in the UK, knowing

1:25:46

it has to be happening right now,

1:25:48

there's probably something we're giving our children

1:25:50

right now that is going to lead

1:25:52

to health issues in the future that

1:25:55

had I can be funded well enough to do

1:25:57

all the best investigations we want to do. have

1:26:00

known about it. So why don't you

1:26:02

take it upon yourself right now to say, you know what,

1:26:04

they do have an incredible track record. It's

1:26:07

amazing how many lawsuits they win when everyone

1:26:09

else is just talking about it. So why

1:26:11

don't you become a part of the informed

1:26:13

consent action network. We have a match right

1:26:15

now for all the legal work that we're

1:26:17

doing. One of our sponsors has put up

1:26:19

$500,000 if we can match it. Last week

1:26:21

we'd hit $55,000 have been raised, which means

1:26:26

that's $110,000 towards this work.

1:26:28

This week where we at?

1:26:31

We've now hit $100,000. So we're moving up the

1:26:34

ladder. We've almost doubled from where we

1:26:36

were last week. So thank you for

1:26:38

everybody that got involved, but I want

1:26:40

to be really clear. This isn't just

1:26:42

any donation. You need to scan that

1:26:44

QR code. Use this QR code or

1:26:46

that bit.ly slash I can legal match

1:26:48

because that's how we're tracking this. This

1:26:50

is exactly what's happening. So

1:26:52

if you were ever considering getting involved in

1:26:55

the work that we're doing here, this is

1:26:57

the perfect time to do it. Every dollar

1:26:59

you give will be doubled. It'll be matched.

1:27:01

Please become a recurring donor. It helps us

1:27:03

have it, you know, be able to look

1:27:06

into the future and schedule how many things

1:27:08

we can actually get involved in. We want

1:27:10

to do it all. We want to do

1:27:12

it all, not just for you, for me,

1:27:14

for my kids, for every one of us

1:27:17

that works here. We're passionate about trying to

1:27:19

make the world a better place for our

1:27:21

children. I want to be proud

1:27:23

of what I left my kids. I'm working

1:27:25

so hard to make that happen. You too

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can make that happen by becoming a recurring

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donor and thank you for everyone that's made

1:27:31

everything we've done so far possible.

1:27:35

You know, it takes courage. And

1:27:37

one of these things we talk about donating, you don't

1:27:39

even have to have courage to do that. It's not

1:27:41

like you're like standing in the middle of your office

1:27:44

space saying, hey, guess what everybody,

1:27:46

I'm donating the ICANNs. Totally private,

1:27:48

it's totally quiet. But the

1:27:50

more of us that would stand up, the

1:27:52

more of us that would just shout from

1:27:54

the mountaintop, you know what, I'm mad as

1:27:56

hell, I'm not going to take it anymore.

1:27:59

This is ridiculous. the more

1:28:01

we would see change, the faster we would

1:28:03

wake up, the faster this movement would grow.

1:28:06

And then there's some that have pulpits and

1:28:08

they have cameras on them and microphones and

1:28:10

they tend to even be more afraid, especially

1:28:13

actors. Imagine being an actor.

1:28:15

I mean, I know several of them, many of them

1:28:17

support me quietly. I'm like, come on, will you please

1:28:19

step forward? Do you know what it would do if

1:28:22

you would just save the world? I know you've been

1:28:24

watching all my movies. I know you follow all my

1:28:26

television shows. As it turns out, I'm not getting the

1:28:28

vaccine. You know what that would do? And

1:28:31

they're like, yeah, for like the week

1:28:33

before it ruins my career. That's

1:28:36

what's going on with a lot of actors. And I

1:28:38

get it. You know, it is just

1:28:40

a giant popularity contest. If Hollywood turns on

1:28:42

you, there's not much you can

1:28:44

do after that. But every time an actor does

1:28:46

step up, I wanna celebrate him.

1:28:49

There's a hero we're gonna talk to today. And

1:28:52

here she is. And the Emmy

1:28:54

goes through. Raya J. Mattel. Raya J.

1:28:56

Mattel. Raya J. Mattel. Raya

1:28:58

J. Mattel playing the iconic and

1:29:00

granola server in the sopranos. I almost

1:29:02

got killed for so far. Christopher. Oh

1:29:05

my God. When I went in for

1:29:07

the audition, I didn't know it was a mafia

1:29:09

drama. I thought it was about opera

1:29:11

singers. Why don't you just forget about working

1:29:13

and be with me? Oh, yeah. And

1:29:16

be one of those wives like Carmella soprano. You're

1:29:19

so well known for your Emmy-winning role as the Emmy

1:29:21

winner. I'm gonna say that. I'm gonna

1:29:23

say that. You're so well known for your Emmy-winning

1:29:25

role as Adriana in the soprano. Do

1:29:28

people still come up to you and quote your line?

1:29:31

Yes, they do. Is

1:29:33

it would've been Christopher alone in a car with a woman? I

1:29:36

was killed. People come up to

1:29:38

me all the time. You know, when you're on TV,

1:29:41

people think that they're best friends with you. If

1:29:43

I were a movie star, people would leave me

1:29:45

alone, never talk to me. They'd be intimidated, especially

1:29:47

with these big, mean eyebrows all the time. I

1:29:50

wanna marry you. I got you a ring and

1:29:52

everything. Don't listen to a maid.

1:29:54

He's been jerking you around for three years.

1:29:56

You're wasting your whole huge heart. There

1:30:03

are so many people that are

1:30:05

responsible for this, but if I even try to

1:30:07

thank any of them right now, I might puke, joke,

1:30:10

cry or die. You've already

1:30:12

seen me do that, so I'm just going to

1:30:14

say thank you and go have 10 drinks. Now

1:30:16

she's starring in this season's highest rated new sitcom,

1:30:18

Joey. That's a hoe, what a tramp. That's

1:30:20

a mirror, Gina. Dammit,

1:30:24

that is me. Had

1:30:26

you done a sitcom before? No, I

1:30:28

still don't know what I'm doing, but I'm

1:30:30

trying. I'm not used to seeing myself

1:30:32

not getting strangled. When I did

1:30:34

The Sons, that was another situation where

1:30:36

there was no role. They

1:30:40

asked me to do the pilot as a favor. It's

1:30:42

going to be different this time. This time I have

1:30:44

my baby to live for. When

1:30:46

FX heard that they got me to

1:30:48

do it, they were like, well, would she stay? And

1:30:51

they asked me if I'd stay, and I said, of course I'll

1:30:54

stay. But is there a role? I mean, what are you going

1:30:56

to do with me? I just died. They

1:30:59

brought her back to life. I think

1:31:01

Wendy Power lies in the fact that she's

1:31:03

April's mom. April, I'm your

1:31:05

real mother. I'm your mom. I

1:31:07

love you. She's not a manipulator. She's not

1:31:09

there to get over on anybody. She's

1:31:11

not going to betray people. There's

1:31:13

a line. I can't

1:31:16

believe they did this. But they've done this on a couple of

1:31:18

shows. Be careful, or Adriana, you are

1:31:20

a good reference. I'm doing the one thing I

1:31:22

swore I'd never do. Saying yes to a reality

1:31:24

show. What's the meaning behind the night? I mean,

1:31:26

obviously, you're a mom. I get that one. Yes,

1:31:29

I'm a mom. And my

1:31:32

house is sort of like a

1:31:34

commune for sipsies and crazies. So

1:31:36

everybody always says that my house

1:31:38

is in the vortex, which

1:31:40

I guess would not be the better name

1:31:42

for the show if it's running around in

1:31:44

the vortex. Right. So it's

1:31:46

kind of the mothership. OK. Yeah, and

1:31:48

we're kind of out there in space a little

1:31:51

bit. Today on the motherf***ing mothership, I am going

1:31:53

to be cracking the whip on my musician boyfriend

1:31:55

to finish some songs that he's been working on.

1:32:00

I understand half of what I'm saying, I'm sure. That's

1:32:05

enough reason to watch it. That's enough reason to

1:32:07

watch it. It's my super mom award. Help me!

1:32:11

I have a f***ing artifact today. Will you

1:32:13

please take care of my kids? The

1:32:16

only way for me to work right now is

1:32:18

an independent film, because I

1:32:20

haven't complied to all the rules that it

1:32:22

takes to work in TV these days. The

1:32:24

censorship is astounding to me. I cannot believe

1:32:26

a censorship is happening in the world right

1:32:28

now. And no one is paying attention. I

1:32:31

lost everything because I held it. I

1:32:33

consumed information as much as I could about

1:32:36

what was going on. It didn't sit right

1:32:38

with me. I felt like the whole thing

1:32:40

was... This is all very

1:32:42

suspect. What would you say to your audience? Always

1:32:46

follow the truth. Well,

1:32:50

it's my honor and pleasure to be joined

1:32:52

right now by Drea de Matteo. Drea, what

1:32:54

an honor it is to have you on

1:32:56

the high wire. Thanks for

1:32:58

joining us. I am so

1:33:01

excited. I don't think you'll understand

1:33:03

that for the last

1:33:05

three years, I was just religiously

1:33:07

on the high wire watching and

1:33:09

listening to everything you were saying,

1:33:11

because there was no getting

1:33:14

me to pay attention to mainstream media at

1:33:16

that point. Wow, that's amazing.

1:33:18

Well, it's probably... I mean, look, I don't

1:33:20

know how you made it out there in

1:33:23

Los Angeles. We had just run... I

1:33:25

moved my whole studio out of there

1:33:27

and just before COVID happened, but I

1:33:29

just had a sense California was losing

1:33:31

its mind. I spent my

1:33:34

career working in Paramount Studios there

1:33:36

on CBS Talks to

1:33:38

the Doctors, but so many

1:33:40

of my friends... I mean, what a difficult

1:33:42

time to be in

1:33:44

Hollywood. First of all, did

1:33:47

you have friends that at least were aligned

1:33:49

with you as you went through this process?

1:33:53

No. I don't think that

1:33:56

even one of my friends was

1:33:58

aligned with me. I was very

1:34:00

quiet about it, especially once everybody was,

1:34:05

everybody was lining up to get vaccinated.

1:34:08

But I was surprised that they cared that

1:34:10

I wasn't. My friends didn't really say much

1:34:12

about it, but I remember my

1:34:15

brother was like, I really think that you

1:34:17

need to protect your family. And I

1:34:20

was just like, wow, we're gonna play that card? I'm

1:34:22

not protecting my children. I thought I was protecting

1:34:25

my children by doing the research before

1:34:27

I, it's really

1:34:29

when you're a kid, you're gonna follow your friends and

1:34:31

jump off a bridge. Right. You need

1:34:34

to research this, we need to

1:34:36

understand things a little better. Man,

1:34:38

people were real condescending at that time

1:34:40

and everybody was a scientist and I

1:34:42

have doctors in my family. And

1:34:45

there was just such a, it

1:34:48

was so arrogant. It wasn't even, and I

1:34:50

was humble about my decision of what I

1:34:52

was an arrogant about it, but everybody has

1:34:55

this arrogance about them. And I was like,

1:34:57

but based on what? It

1:35:00

was such a wild mental slip. Yeah.

1:35:05

Especially saying, cool, we

1:35:08

consider ourselves like hippies and liberals

1:35:10

and all of that. Where

1:35:12

did all my liberal friends go? Yeah.

1:35:16

I was like, you're a tyrant now. Yeah,

1:35:19

it was really a trip. I

1:35:22

mean, so much of it, yoga studios that

1:35:25

were not allowing you in, if you hadn't

1:35:27

been vaccinated, and it just like, how does

1:35:29

this fit into Ayurveda and all of these,

1:35:31

all of this hippie, like I was to

1:35:34

say, well, I was raised, I'm a hippie

1:35:36

kid. I was raised by hippies. We were

1:35:38

the ones that ate organic food and

1:35:42

had these crazy diets. None of the

1:35:44

kids in my school could understand and

1:35:46

certainly were vitamins before pharma. And

1:35:50

then it just sort of this whole thing shifted

1:35:54

and when we

1:35:57

think about what's so funny about imagining, you

1:35:59

go through it. is because you

1:36:01

tend to play these really intense

1:36:04

balls out characters that have no problem

1:36:06

stating who they are, where they're at.

1:36:11

When you're in Hollywood, as

1:36:13

you were saying, you're very quiet about it.

1:36:15

Is that more your nature? Do you

1:36:18

sort of show us something different in film

1:36:21

than when you walked down the street, or

1:36:23

was it just a situation that had you

1:36:26

keeping it on the lowdown? I'm

1:36:30

generally a really shy

1:36:32

person. The character I

1:36:34

played as a man was actually a

1:36:36

victim. She

1:36:39

might have had a moment, cursing

1:36:41

a Christopher or whatever, but she

1:36:43

was a super victim. I

1:36:48

felt super... I didn't

1:36:50

feel like a victim during

1:36:52

the pandemic. I felt... I

1:36:56

mean, look, you mentioned vitamins. I'm jumping around

1:36:58

here, but when I realized that they were

1:37:00

going to get rid of things that I

1:37:02

lived by, like NAC, or... There

1:37:05

was just all this talk in Canada,

1:37:07

too, just getting rid of all of

1:37:09

these supplements. Now

1:37:11

I'm like, wait a minute. Now

1:37:14

I really need to understand this

1:37:17

further. This is way beyond anything

1:37:19

that we're hearing in the mainstream

1:37:21

media. It's just... I

1:37:23

know the mandates happened. I

1:37:26

was petrified of losing everything.

1:37:30

I was petrified of losing my home, my

1:37:32

bank account, everything, because I was hearing all

1:37:34

of this sort of rumbling of,

1:37:36

you don't comply, you don't

1:37:38

pay, basically. I don't mean

1:37:40

by the actual virus.

1:37:43

I mean by your government, kind

1:37:45

of. I mean, listening to all

1:37:48

of the propaganda in our own

1:37:50

president, talking about it, the winter

1:37:52

of death, all of that sort of stuff. I

1:37:56

just started really

1:37:59

following... calling money,

1:38:01

I guess, really than anything.

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And then once you see all

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the connections and all of the veins,

1:38:09

the arteries, and

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you just kind of can't unsee it. And

1:38:18

it was hard to talk to anybody in

1:38:20

Hollywood about any of that. I don't really know anybody in

1:38:22

Hollywood, to be honest with you, I've never really been a

1:38:24

part of my own industry anyhow. So

1:38:26

it wasn't lost for me, but what was

1:38:29

a huge loss was not having

1:38:31

my potential to earn. And

1:38:34

the mandate stopped that and it's trach, my

1:38:36

agent dropped me. And

1:38:39

it just was, I'm already a

1:38:42

50, after my 50, that's

1:38:44

also not the easiest place

1:38:47

to be. But I always maintained and was able

1:38:49

to take care of my family. I had never cared

1:38:51

about being a part of the industry and being like

1:38:53

a big time actor. I just wanted to do my

1:38:55

job. Make as much money

1:38:57

as I need to raise my children some single mom

1:38:59

and then goodbye. So

1:39:04

I never saved, I never saved money. The

1:39:08

minute it hit, I'm like, holy, so it was