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Making headlines this week, a lot of people
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are concerned that the military draft is coming
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back. Why are they thinking this?
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Well, there's a lot of moving parts of this story,
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so let's dig right into it. Okay. In the United
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States here, we have the Selective Service System. So all
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males 18 to 26 are supposed
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to enroll in this when they turn
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18. And from that pool, if there's a
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war, the Department of Defense can choose from
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that pool to induct these
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people into war, into the military
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basically. So what happened over this
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last week was the National Defense
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Authorization Act. This is a yearly
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act. It gets re-upped. All
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the people put basically the legislators, the lawmakers,
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put their kind of wish lists into here
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what they want. You know, we've seen the
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Patriot Act come from this. It's really interesting
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things come from the National Defense Authorization Act
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in the past, but one of the
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things that we saw was an automatic
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induction into the Selective Service System. This
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is the headline here. Congress
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moves to make Selective Service automatic. So
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it wasn't really automatic before. It goes
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into this in the article here. It
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goes into this. It says, while it
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is a felony not to register currently,
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there is still a shred of voluntary
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left automatically registering young men for what
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is essentially a drafty list rips the
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last veil away. And though there
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is no act of conscription for war today, this
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would make it a lot easier for Uncle Sam
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to start it. So USA Today
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went into this and talks about what happens
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because it like it said, it is a
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felony not to register if you're 18. Honestly,
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did you register? I don't remember ever
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registering. I mean, is that something? Was
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there a box I checked? Wasn't paying
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attention? You know, were
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we all like, you know, up
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for felonies and didn't know it?
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I'm sort of confused that that
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was a responsibility. If
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we are for felonies, the track record is
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pretty good here because this investigation by USA
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Today, it says this, it says still only
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20 men have been criminally charged
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with refusing to register for the draft since
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President Jimmy Carter reinstated it in 1980 in
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respect. to
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the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Only 14
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were convicted. The last indictment in 1986
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was dismissed before it
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went to trial. So now the system relies
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largely on voluntary compliance and patchwork of state
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laws and the risk of losing federal benefits.
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So if you go to the Selective Service website,
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it basically is, it's like a poster. It's like
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an ad saying, hey, don't forget to fill this
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out, everybody. So there's now
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two versions of this National Defense
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Authorization Act going. One is passed
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through the House. Now this
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is the one they're talking about. If you look at this
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bill right now, as it's written, it says this, except
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as otherwise provided in this title, every male citizen
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of the United States and every other male person
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residing in the United States between the ages of
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18 and 26 shall
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be automatically registered under this act by
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the director of the Selective Service System.
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Now the Senate- Wait, hold on a second.
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Go back to that. I
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know we've sort of looked through this
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a little bit. What does it mean
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by every male citizen in the United
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States and every other male person residing
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in the United States? Does that mean we
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have the potential, we keep talking about all these
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military age men that are
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coming in illegally? Is it possible that
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they get enrolled into
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fighting in our
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armed forces? The
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language does seem to leave it open. And
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it's September 30th is the end of this
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fiscal year for this bill to
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pass. So up until that time,
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we're gonna see some, I think some hotly debated
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and contested points on this going back and forth
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before it really becomes law. The president signs it.
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So that's- What's disturbing about that? Like, I mean,
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just, and I know I'm off course, we've talked
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about what we thought we were gonna talk about,
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but that really jumps out at me, Jeffrey, because
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when we look at the concern
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that we have of authoritarian governments,
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when we went through what we did
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with the COVID pandemic, you always look
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at these other nations that were way
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ahead of us on authoritarianism, right? We
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have this brilliant constitution that's been standing
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in the way, though it got really
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stepped on. The question is, does a
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military ever- turn on its own
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people. And many times we've seen the
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military step down and not take the
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orders to attack
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their own people. But what if your military
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is filled with people that are not citizens
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here, did not grow up in this country,
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have no affinity to our country. If your
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military is made up of those people, it
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seems like they would do just about anything they're asked.
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I don't know. It's something that I
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think I want to look into more.
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So let's definitely look into that because
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that just seems very problematic. Yeah,
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we're seeing actually some foreshadowing that in Seattle,
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the DACA immigrants
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are allowed to apply for law enforcement
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positions. That's one city. That's making headlines
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as well. But let's jump back to
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this really quick. The Senate Armed
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Services Committee has its own version. So now there's
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the House version and the Senate Armed Services Committee.
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So these are two versions. These are like wish
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lists. Now it did pass the Senate
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Armed Services Committee by a vote of 22 to
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three, I believe it was. But what's interesting there
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is you look through that document, doesn't say anything
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about automatic registration, but it does say this. It
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amends the Military Select Service Act to require
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the registration of women for selective service.
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Now this has been a contested subject
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since 1980 when women were not
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allowed or basically not allowed to be in
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the selective service system. In 2019, a district
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judge ruled that the women should be allowed.
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This was a lower court ruling, court ruling,
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renews debate on women in the draft. But
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then in 2021, the Supreme Court wrote an
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opinion on it and basically kicked the matter.
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This is AP. It kicked the matter back
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to lawmakers. So the high court won't review
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men only draft registration law. So basically said
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the Supreme Court said it's going to be up
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to Congress. They're going to have to figure this
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out. We're not going to get involved. There's still
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deliberation going in on this. So end
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of fiscal year, September 30th, 2024, this
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is when it's all going to go down. So there's
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going to be some back and forth. They're going to
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try to mesh these points together. I mean, is it
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possible we come out with an automatic selective
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service system for men and women? Absolutely.
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and this is why people are kind of concerned
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about this, but why is this happening? Well, perhaps
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one of the reasons is this headline in 2022
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in New York Times, with
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few able and few willing, U.S.
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military can't find recruits. This was at a
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time when they were basically kicking people out,
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servicemen and women for not getting the vaccine,
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the COVID vaccine. So there are
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all time record lows for recruitment. So
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this is a huge issue for the
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military. And they need to find- There's several
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issues, Jeffrey, that I have with this
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issue. First of all, you
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and I both believe wholeheartedly
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in this country, in standing
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for our sovereignty and protecting it,
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no matter what, I
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would absolutely put myself in harm's
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way if it meant protecting this nation
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for the future of my children. So
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am I against the draft? My problem
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is all the wars that I've seen
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in my lifetime never seem to have
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done anything to protect my nation. They
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seem to be for sort of corporate
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and special interests. And
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that bothers me. And none of it seems to
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have landed in making the world
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a safer place. But what's really disturbing
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here, when I think fewer able,
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that concept, when
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we think of a draft and we think of
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people going in the military, when we talk about
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what we do, 60%
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of our country now has a
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neurological or autoimmune disease their entire
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life. They are chronically ill. That
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makes most of them, I think, ineligible to even
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be in the military. So can you imagine? I
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mean, look at what we've done to ourselves in
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the 1980s, back when
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we're talking about Jimmy Carter days when you might
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have drafted. Only 12.8% of our population
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had chronic illness. Now,
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and this is the last, in 2011, 54%. We,
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you know, there's a lot of signs showing that it's at
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least 60%. So
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when you think about how many of the people that
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are raising their kids that are watching this show that
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are feeding your kids right
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exercise and certainly, not
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injecting them with vaccines and
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destroying their immune systems and getting
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into all the autoimmune problems and
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the myocarditis and the pericarditis that
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is gonna take all these other,
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now all of a sudden, that
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pool ends up being my kids.
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And that bothers me. That really bothers
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me. And it's why it makes, I think, this issue
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very important for the people watching our show right now.
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An extremely valid point. And also the idea is,
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like you mentioned, you touched on there, the idea
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of running off to war is
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not really a popular one. And we
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look at this chart here. This is
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the Selective Service Systems chart. Let's go
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over a century since World War I.
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And you can see here the
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conscription, bringing these people into the
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military. World War I, you're looking at
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almost 250 million people. World
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War II, you have almost 350 million men. And
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then you see Korea, Vietnam, obviously smaller
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wars, but especially when it
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hits Vietnam, this was a widely unpopular
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war, especially as it dragged on
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politically and socially. And 1969 was
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the first really draft. So
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we're talking over 50 years ago for the Vietnam
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War. And how was
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it done? Well, that evening, all
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the males in the United States who
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knew what was going on, were probably huddled around their
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TVs, 18 through 25, I believe it
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was at that time, with apprehension.
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And they watch this. Take a
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look. The draft
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lottery, a live report on tonight's
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picking of the birth dates for
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the draft. Here at Selective Service
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headquarters in Washington is CBS News
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correspondent Roger Mudd. Good
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evening. It was 29 years ago that
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the first and most famous lottery number,
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158, was drawn
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as the United States entered World War
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II. Tonight, for the
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first time in 27 years, the
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United States has again started a draft
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lottery. And the famous first
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pick tonight is September 14th, the
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first birthday. that now is designated 001, which means
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for 19 year olds born on September 14th at beginning
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in January, local draft boards
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will induct those men born
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on September 14th borrowing the
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firmage. The next birthday
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in order April 24th and
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so on down the line this evening. Fairly
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ominous lottery there. It's not like a
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winning lottery, you know. Amazing.
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And so the drafty whose birthdays were
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called may find themselves in the Vietnam
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War zone at their first
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tour basically less than six months after
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their basic training. So they go right
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into that. And just a quick
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history lesson here. I'll take a moment for the Vietnam
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War. We have the famous whistleblower Daniel
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Ellsberg. He was a RAM corporation whistleblower. He
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leaked the Pentagon papers in 1971 to the
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New York Times. And
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what those showed, we actually have the copy of
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the first installment. They ran several installments, issues of
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this. But it traced the
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decades of U.S. involvement before the war
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in Vietnam, basically trying to topple the
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regime there, the communist regime. And
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even the Gulf of Tonkin incident that was
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history told us was the reason
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we entered the war turned out because these
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Pentagon papers and others turned out to be
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a false pretext. So as you
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said earlier, basically a lot of these wars,
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they're really not what they were told to
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be upfront when people were drafted for this.
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So it's really important we have this alternative
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media, this independent media telling a story as
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well because we're entering into a time again
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where we're seeing these drums of war. And
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we're not just seeing this in America. This
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is what makes this story so interesting because
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it's not just, you know, we don't have
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enough recruits in America. So we're going to
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make this automatic registration to the Selective Service.
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This is happening everywhere. And there's
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a big war happening, Ukraine, Russia. And
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this is headlines in Europe. UK
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and other NATO allies urged to consider
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conscription as Ukraine Waranter's third year. The
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first step towards conscription, Germany proposes
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new selective military service. So
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they're saying this, everyone has to be in
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military service now. And
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then we're having some more movement on this
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space in July 9th, starting July
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9th, Washington, D.C., we're going to have
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a NATO summit. And in that NATO
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summit, the U.S. and key allies, according
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to AP News, are debating what commitment
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to give on Ukraine joining NATO at
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this upcoming summit. I'm sorry, that was
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CNN. So remember, NATO
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with Ukraine joining NATO, that is the red line
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in the sand for Russia. Obviously, nothing's
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been committed to it, but they keep kind of
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beating around that bush very hard. And
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it's not helping when the NATO chiefs
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are touting this. NATO chief
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touts nuclear move to counter Russia-China threat.
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So they're putting their nuclear arms on
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standby. So we're in really, really interesting
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times right now. And this military draft
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has a lot of people paying attention,
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the potential for it. Thank
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you.
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