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We've talked about Mickey Willis

0:02

and Plan-Demic, the musical. They

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had a huge screening in

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Las Vegas having screenings all

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around the country. They're winning

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awards, but what

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is it like to be a part of watching it

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and seeing it? Take a look at this. The

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message in this film is so important. It just gives

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you so much joy and so much relief.

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I loved it. I found it very uplift.

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The movie brought tears to my eyes. I

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just can't wait to share it with everybody.

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Absolutely epic. Let

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the freedom

1:02

ring. Let

1:04

the freedom

1:06

ring. Come

1:08

on everybody,

1:10

make some noise. We

1:17

all know he's one of the greatest

1:20

filmmakers on the planet today, but great

1:22

filmmakers are made great because the

1:24

people they surround themselves with. Today, Mickey

1:26

Willis joins me with his secret weapon

1:29

to Plan-Demic Deepak. Welcome to

1:31

the High Wire. Hey, how you doing? Good

1:33

to be here. Good to see you. Mickey.

1:35

Good to see you, Joe. Always a pleasure.

1:37

I haven't seen it yet. I

1:39

haven't seen this long version. I

1:41

have my little cameo. I can't wait. It's

1:43

coming up. First of all, it's just dates.

1:46

Austin, is the next screening? The next one

1:48

is actually in Los Angeles at the Directors

1:50

Guild of America as part of the Malibu

1:52

Film Festival. Oh, fantastic. Excellent. And then

1:55

next month. Alright, and what is that?

1:57

What's the dates in Austin? June

2:00

15th and Malibu Film Festival is

2:02

the 25th. So we're leaving tomorrow.

2:04

All right fantastic. Okay Deepak

2:07

how first of all, how did you guys connect?

2:10

Well, I think it we're looking at about

2:12

15 years ago 14 years ago or something like that.

2:14

We lived in a 16 Yeah, yeah,

2:16

we lived in a big community house We

2:19

had a live work environment with our entire

2:21

production company in Ojai, California And

2:24

we would have amazing events

2:26

every single weekend musicians and

2:28

speakers on the property and

2:30

Deepak graced us with his presence one time

2:32

and fell in love with him

2:34

and his gift for music and So

2:37

we've been wanting to collaborate for a number of

2:39

years and this is our first official Real

2:41

deep collaboration and man what an incredible

2:44

experience it was Absolutely. What's

2:46

your background? How did you get into music? Yeah,

2:48

yeah, man started out growing up learning music, you

2:50

know as a very young kid I was listening

2:52

to Michael Jackson and trying to always copy sounds

2:54

and bands that I liked and had violin lessons

2:56

when I was very young But I was sort

2:58

of like the 80d rebellious kid and became more

3:00

of a street musician playing by ear But

3:03

I went to school for pre-med and pre-law But the

3:05

whole time I had bands I was singing acapella groups

3:07

and you know I was following the Indian path of

3:09

being either a doctor or a lawyer engineer or some

3:11

kind of scientist But once I graduated my parents were

3:13

happy and I branched off and came to Los Angeles

3:15

to be an artist They're still happy you guys I

3:18

mean the first couple years they might have been a little

3:20

bit. Hey, what's going on? This isn't our normal path and

3:22

probably just because they came first generation the security was I

3:24

kind of a main You know main value,

3:26

but I think when they started seeing successes coming through

3:29

I was doing gigs with Rihanna in the Irie You

3:31

know I'm getting I was on modern families a co-star things like

3:33

that started coming through and you know They were

3:35

getting validation from you know, a lot of it's

3:37

about also we what are the what are the

3:39

other family? I'm just gonna say like our kids

3:41

at Harvard our kids here and they started getting

3:43

calls from like aunts and uncles and cousins I

3:46

were like, hey, we just saw Deepak on modern

3:48

family or a Cadillac commercial And so they're like,

3:50

okay, we're getting validation with this crazy path. I

3:52

we're down. We're down. They're very proud now I

3:54

got to meet you in our Vegas showing and

3:56

they're there little tiny sweetest people

3:58

you ever made and they stood there

4:00

looking at their son and it was it was beautiful

4:02

to see that how proud they were. You know, I

4:05

feel like I'm a little part of this. We

4:07

were having a party at our house. You know,

4:09

yeah, where I met you. Yeah, yeah. You pulled

4:11

out a guitar and it's just like, you know,

4:14

there's a lot of people that like will like

4:16

pull out and jam like campfire music. But

4:18

there's something different when someone pulls out a

4:20

guitar and like just like, I mean, neighbors

4:22

are like, what is going on in here?

4:24

Just really captivated. And we were talking about

4:27

being in the middle of this pandemic. This

4:29

is insane. What's going on and what

4:31

we're, you know, going through. And so

4:33

four years ago, yeah, Thanksgiving, they'll

4:36

had a Thanksgiving gathering at his house

4:39

and a group of probably 50 of us

4:41

or so in total, we're all together. And

4:44

Del always has really great wine. And so I will

4:46

admit we had a little bit too much of that.

4:48

He pulled out his guitar and we start singing

4:51

songs just to make light of the situation that

4:53

everyone was going through such torture at the

4:55

time, you know, being separated from their families

4:57

and all the confusion. And so we started

4:59

singing songs, comical songs,

5:02

making up names, you know, reversing

5:04

the names we had. Fampany, Fampany,

5:06

Ouchy, and Gil Bates. Yeah, exactly.

5:08

So we're making up parody songs.

5:11

And then someone said

5:13

behind us when we were singing probably way too loud

5:15

and probably irritated the rest of the party. I apologize

5:17

for that. Whoever was there. They

5:19

said, wow, this would make a great Broadway

5:22

musical. Right. And I stopped and

5:24

I looked around and I said, musical,

5:28

we're gonna do it. And everyone laughed at

5:30

my wife who knows me goes, I

5:32

know that look, he's not he's not joking. Here

5:36

we are. So at

5:38

the heart of it, I mean, look, you've

5:40

done this series of plandemic

5:42

movies, you've really been going after the establishment.

5:45

But it's risky as a musician to get

5:47

involved with someone that's sort of speaking the

5:49

truth that way. Was all this is this

5:51

sort of perspective that Mickey has new to

5:54

you or not at all? I mean, I've

5:56

always been curious. As a

5:58

young kid, I always thought there was weird stuff going on. on

6:00

just even in high school middle school questioning things staring

6:02

at the dollar bill and you know using magnifying glasses

6:04

on a personal check and you know if you guys

6:07

don't know if you look at the personal check on

6:09

the signature line that's not a line those are words

6:12

and little you know it says authorized signature and

6:14

little weird clues like that led me down a

6:16

path of curiosity and discovery of the things may

6:18

not be what they seem the media may not

6:20

be accurate there might be more things you

6:22

know behind the scenes and so that led

6:24

me down all these different questions curiosity studying

6:26

economics I was a mathematician as I mentioned

6:29

doing pre-med pre-law okay so the

6:31

math didn't work out when I was studying Keynesian

6:33

economics something was about it wasn't right it's set

6:35

set up to create debt I

6:37

was like this isn't weird this is weird they're indoctrinating

6:39

people with a mathematical way that's actually

6:42

designed to create debt central banking systems Jekyll Island

6:44

you know you can go back into the history

6:46

we can go out and wrap it whole here

6:48

okay that's what led me to Ron Paul Austrian

6:51

business cycle my sees Rothbard all that free markets

6:53

and so that's kind of been the path I've

6:55

been on and then you know oh well it

6:57

led into like understanding politics a little bit more

6:59

and how you're way too smart for a musician

7:01

man like that you're not supposed to be clearly

7:03

like that he must like who was there first

7:06

then I always thought this guy he was there

7:08

before I was I was still a useful idiot

7:10

as they call it and and

7:12

wanting to look away from all this stuff I had people

7:14

warn me years ago and come to me and say you

7:16

know your position meet is very important and maybe you can

7:18

help get this truth out to the world and they'd lay

7:20

it out for me and they talk about the big conspiracy

7:22

and all the tyrants that are trying

7:24

to take over America from within and I

7:26

thought this is just crazy these people yeah

7:29

you know they're looking for they're looking to

7:31

feel important somehow this this is this can't

7:33

be real and it wasn't really

7:35

until you know

7:37

what began my deep dive

7:39

behind the curtain was when my

7:41

wife and I and Nadia and I decided to have

7:44

a child and then said what are we going to

7:46

do when in terms of vaccination and

7:48

then I started our decision at the

7:50

beginning was well we'll just get what's needed

7:52

because one thing I'm clear on is the

7:54

schedule just seems over the top yeah 70

7:56

some odd vaccines before their age six or

7:58

something like that just. I don't know any

8:00

body that would require that. So let's figure out

8:02

what the child really needs. And I started to

8:04

go down the rabbit hole. And that's

8:07

kind of when things opened up for me because I

8:09

started to see the evidence pointing in

8:11

a different direction than the mainstream media

8:14

was directing us. And

8:16

that really opened me up to

8:19

look deeper that there

8:21

was a possibility that, you

8:24

know my story, that I had a brother killed by AZT

8:26

and then a mother died, bad cancer treatment.

8:28

So I was already kind of keyed in at this

8:30

major problem within Western medicine. But

8:33

then when I started to realize

8:35

it's not incompetence, there's something corrupt

8:37

here. And there's a movement

8:40

that really wants to keep us sick

8:42

and dependent. And the

8:45

further I went down that rabbit hole, the

8:47

more I learned and the more unbelievable

8:50

it became. And

8:54

it still is today. It's still, even though we know

8:56

what's going on, I still

8:58

grapple with the idea

9:01

that there are people that are consciously doing

9:03

harm on a mass scale. But

9:05

it's so evident, but I still just have

9:07

a hard time computing that in my mind,

9:09

that there are people that have so lost

9:11

their soul that they can

9:13

perform that way. Yeah, we've had a lot

9:15

of very deep, intense

9:17

conversations. We've, I feel like sometimes you jump

9:20

on that side and I'm over here, like,

9:22

wait a minute, did I come back? And

9:24

you're like, wait, I'm back up. Because it's

9:26

really mind blowing. The music

9:28

very quickly, this is a very serious

9:30

topic yet. There's

9:33

so much beauty. How do you approach a

9:35

project like this as a musician? Like, what

9:37

was like, is there a goal? Is there

9:39

a feeling? Absolutely. Feeling drive it? Does it

9:41

start with an intellectual mathematical structure of music?

9:43

Yeah, I mean, for me, art is feeling

9:46

based, but I think having a purpose has a

9:48

little bit of a balance of left brain and right

9:50

brain. I think the balancing of the hemispheres is really

9:52

key for society in general. So as an artist, I'm

9:54

thinking, hey, what's the feeling that can create, that can

9:56

move, touch and inspire people, but also with a little

9:58

bit of thought behind it and intention. that can create

10:01

change, create a movement, create unity. And

10:04

so I think when working with Mickey, especially he's a great

10:06

storyteller, and as an artist, that's my job to be a

10:08

storyteller. It was an amazing

10:10

partnership to work with him because he's

10:12

providing narratives that I align with already

10:14

about unity, freedom, team humanity is like

10:16

a big passion of mine. And

10:19

so writing songs that can unite people lyrically and

10:21

also with hooks and melodies that are coded to

10:23

be remembered. That's kind of like how I'm like

10:25

to think about it. What is this pattern

10:28

or shape that could be encoded

10:30

that we're gonna remember, we're gonna sing it, even though we're

10:32

gonna sing the melody and we're gonna sing the words. So

10:35

the melody has to be really important and sort of the

10:37

lyrics so that you're gonna repeat it because to me, it's

10:39

a mantra, a mantra is something you repeat, right?

10:42

So lyrics are a mantra, like we sing those

10:44

Beatles songs that we remember and if they have

10:46

meaning and you can remember them, then we're actually

10:48

reprogramming, you know, just like affirmations have power, so

10:50

the songs, songs are like affirmations, but they're musical

10:52

and you can sing them to each other. You

10:54

know, being in a Coldplay concert or any other

10:57

place where everyone's singing together, that's when we put

10:59

down our differences, that's when we're in joy, is

11:01

when we're singing together. So that's kind of my divine

11:03

vision as Deepak World and Team Manatee to create just

11:05

a one world sing along that goes on forever, like

11:07

Michael Jackson, Heal the World, things like that. I think

11:09

I'd like to be able to contribute to the world

11:12

in that kind of way as well. One

11:14

of the things that I ran

11:16

into early on in my storytelling career

11:18

too was recognizing that language

11:21

is limited. This thing we

11:23

call language that gets produced through the mind

11:25

can only take us so far, but the

11:27

true magic of life is ineffable. We

11:29

cannot describe it, we can do our best to come

11:32

close to kind of paint a picture of it, but

11:34

language is so limited that the stuff that

11:37

really transcends the human experience, the stuff that

11:39

goes into the other dimensions of reality, where

11:42

truly the healing power is,

11:44

where we find peace and

11:47

connectedness with each other. Music

11:49

is one of the only languages, they call it

11:51

the language of the soul for a reason. It's

11:53

one of the only languages that will help us

11:55

get beyond the thinking mind that is limited Based

11:58

upon our, the. The scope

12:00

of our vocabulary music will take

12:02

us would have as transcend. Beyond

12:05

that it hills the body. It

12:07

also carries vibrational properties which we

12:09

spoke about last summer's on the

12:11

show this happening simultaneously which is

12:13

why cultures since the beginning of

12:16

a time have beat on drums

12:18

and and bear scans or whatever

12:20

and my do just decreed that

12:22

unified experience and so for me

12:24

at you know years of telling

12:27

stories I recognize that arm with

12:29

Connor reached. The end of that we

12:31

can fill our minds was so much data.

12:33

but at what point does that just become

12:35

a an overloaded hard drive to where nothing

12:37

happens when she picked computer no longer compute

12:39

and that's where music takes over for me

12:41

And that's why I chose to work with

12:44

the Park here so we can take this

12:46

to the next level of created an experience.

12:48

Beyond. A spoken word. To. Me

12:50

as a united A with thought well and

12:53

like was a young kid. I want to

12:55

get a lawyer members city movie theaters and

12:57

as a boy you know you'll have enough

12:59

uptight society. the no tears of run down

13:01

my face is members a game I want

13:03

to be able to make everybody feel like

13:05

Disney movies do for me and I was

13:07

in film school and I remember the news

13:10

died The sound teacher your and sound class

13:12

and he said i wonder if you know

13:14

how much how are you people think music

13:16

is important in in film likely was fifty

13:18

percent most viewed as a fifty fifty bp.

13:21

Is a human are you would say

13:23

eighty percent of film and experiences music

13:25

and a memory. played a scene of

13:27

Last Temptation of Christ with just just

13:29

the visuals and then he play with

13:31

Peter Gabriel sound you they played just

13:33

Peter Gabriel soundtrack by itself is like

13:35

which One major feals of the like

13:37

a devotee music that he put together

13:40

and it was sort of off the

13:42

charts. Arms you've bought even winning awards.

13:44

Mickey In. A. Mean like it

13:46

was crazy about it. like in

13:48

a place that rejected us like

13:50

past us out California, Santa Monica

13:52

rights and Monica film vessels just

13:54

very quickly. What is it feel

13:57

like to go back? like in

13:59

the Lions. In with films

14:01

about the lions. And

14:04

had be winning awards like tell me

14:06

about what a sign my face I

14:08

think it must be a sting operation

14:10

a caterpillar and me and would I

14:12

write i get up it or as

14:14

real I regarded or around but you're

14:16

hungry and backs on. It's been really

14:19

mind blowing because not only have a

14:21

matter of fact I want to say

14:23

that your your previous guess made. That's

14:25

another incredible story to tell because I

14:27

don't know if you plan this or

14:29

not but made and spry gum and

14:31

clear they are first major brands sponsors.

14:33

Or look at our posters are stepping repeats

14:36

and everything you see that their logos on

14:38

it right down to the bottom or log

14:40

or posts are there and so just really

14:42

kudos to people like Nate that have stepped

14:45

forward because of their personal experience with with

14:47

the tyranny that rural facing To say. Even.

14:50

If this might hurt my business, I'm going

14:52

to stand for the truth and stand for

14:55

these people because you're telling the truth and

14:57

what we're witnessing now is everyone who stepped

14:59

out yourself big time. On top of the

15:01

list for being so brave. Go. To

15:04

leave the mainstream to take the chance

15:06

that you took Dell and I know

15:08

is your friend. What what that took

15:10

to leave a a a very prof

15:12

profitable lucrative career once you built your

15:14

status in Hollywood is kind of like

15:16

been in the military right? You never

15:19

lose those stripes and you can always.

15:21

you can always fall back on on.

15:23

you know that that title to. Score!

15:25

Jobs in Hollywood, you've earned it. And you earned

15:27

it. And then you let it go. All.

15:30

In favor of telling the truth and people like

15:32

nade and all these corporations. Now there's the Axis

15:34

by the way we were all or I mean

15:36

you had no idea you do reconnected but of

15:39

is is what we get A used to write

15:41

a i just as amazing as it is a

15:43

sickness which is a whole other subject. Maybe one

15:45

day we can talk about because we're recognizing that

15:48

so much in life as when you stand up

15:50

for what's true, when you stand up for life.

15:53

Which. is probably the easiest way to say

15:55

we're here to procreate and to create

15:57

life we are here as a holographic

15:59

frog of the Creator.

16:02

And when we are here in support

16:04

of life itself, there's some

16:06

magical thing that happens and all these

16:09

synchronicities happen and all these things that

16:11

the chances are a kazillion to one

16:13

that you would, you know, meet in

16:15

the oddest of places, but we're all

16:18

brought together because there's an alignment with

16:20

nature itself, with God itself. And this

16:22

just keeps happening and happening in our

16:24

lives. But the fact that we're

16:26

now getting called into these experiences

16:29

with people who just three years

16:31

ago were thinking

16:33

that we were the worst people on the planet. Friends

16:35

of yours, I know, were really harsh back

16:38

in California. Very, very harsh. Now

16:40

the sad part is when I really

16:42

dig into it with most of them

16:44

and we've recircled to become friends again

16:46

and I find out like what turned

16:48

them around, it's they've had a direct

16:50

experience now. They've either been injured or

16:52

they've lost a loved one and now,

16:55

you know, there it almost takes that

16:57

for some people to swallow their pride,

16:59

forget about all the shaming they did

17:01

against others to say, okay,

17:03

now I've had something so dramatic happen

17:05

in my life that I can no longer

17:08

avoid looking at it. And so

17:10

that's what we're seeing a lot of and it's

17:12

it's a as we've talked about many times, it's

17:14

a bittersweet experience to be perfectly honest with you

17:16

because I would love,

17:18

as I've mentioned before, I would love to

17:20

have been wrong in 2020 when we released the

17:22

film. I would love to have just been embarrassed and

17:24

put my shoe in my mouth and say we totally

17:26

got this wrong but it turns out we totally

17:29

got it right. Yeah. And but the,

17:31

you know, where we might want

17:33

to take a bow for that, it doesn't it doesn't

17:35

warrant that for me. It's really a sad thing,

17:37

you know, that that we that it

17:40

was something that was so invisible to

17:42

so many people, good people, highly intelligent

17:44

people and they had

17:46

to wait to actually feel the suffering before

17:49

they could see it. But

17:51

the good news is they're seeing it and

17:53

they're waking up and we're we are starting

17:55

to now be invited into arenas that we

17:57

never thought we'd be in a million

17:59

years. and people

18:02

that have a lot to

18:04

lose are now supporting us, mainstream people,

18:06

reporters, media starting to tell

18:08

the truth. And

18:10

so I think that there's a truly this, which is

18:13

why the film before this one, we call The Great

18:15

Awakening because it truly is, we're in the middle of

18:17

a great awakening right now. I agree. And

18:19

I think the musical is a great way to try and

18:21

bring us all back together, this laugh, let's

18:23

have some fun around this, let's bring some joy. What's

18:25

the best way to, I mean, you have so many

18:28

brilliant projects going. Where do we check in

18:30

if we want to see one of these screenings or get to?

18:32

Is there a place that just has the calendar of all the

18:34

amazing things you're up to? Pretty much, yeah. If you just go

18:36

to plannedemic.com. Okay. Everything is on

18:38

there with the Austin premiere,

18:40

which we're super excited about. It'll be the first

18:42

time that you'll see the film. Yeah, I'm looking

18:44

forward to it. And you're so good in it.

18:46

Really, I think my favorite moment is what you

18:48

brought to it. And I don't know

18:50

if your viewers know that you have a background, you're

18:53

incredible wife, Lee, and you're both musicians. You

18:55

have a beautiful singing voice, and she's just

18:57

an angel who plays guitar and

18:59

sings. And so there's this, again, I

19:02

find myself sometimes when I connect with someone on

19:04

a deep level, I'll ask them, are you a

19:06

musician? Yeah. Because I find there's something about the

19:08

people that know how to speak the language of

19:10

music that I just find

19:12

there's an alignment there. And so it

19:15

was just a pleasure to have you as part of this.

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And I'm excited that you've actually waited and not even seen

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a rough cut. No, I was like, I'm going to just

19:21

tell me what it's done. You guys have been tweaking, tweaking.

19:23

Deepak, how do we follow your music and the

19:26

work that you're doing? Yeah, just launching right

19:28

now as we speak, deepakworld.com spelled D-P-A-K-World, and everything's

19:30

on there, including Plan-demic, other music coming out. And

19:32

the song I'm about to do on the show

19:34

with you today is actually called It's Our Time.

19:37

Together We Rise was actually originally written as

19:39

the Independent National Convention Anthem this September, which I'll

19:41

be doing the song at again, too. So we're

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going to do that here on your show.

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It's also the closing credits for Plan-demic. And

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so really excited to get this new song out there.

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It's not released yet. Great. And that'll be the beginning

19:52

of a series of more movement-based songs.

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And I've done a lot of work in the industry.

19:56

I've worked with artists, done stuff with Disney. But it's

19:58

always been like separate, where I will play. Part of

20:00

me is an activist, part of me is out there

20:02

spreading truth, doing the research on the politics, and then

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I keep my music separate, and I felt like it's

20:06

now calling to bring it together and bring art and

20:08

music together, being an artist, preneur, an artivist, whatever you

20:10

want to call it, in order to actually make music

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that makes an impact as well, not just on the

20:14

front line, speaking and, you know, public speaking, which I

20:16

do as well, but actually making the music a part

20:18

of that message. And so this is one of the

20:20

first songs that you'll be hearing that has that intention

20:22

in mind. I've heard this song, I'm looking forward to

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hearing it in just a moment. Rise

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up from the ashes, rise

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up from the place, sleep

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through the lies that feed

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the fire that we create.

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Come out from the shadows,

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come out in plain sight,

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nothing to lose, it's time

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to lose until the day.

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Together, united, united,

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quietest, no hiding

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anymore. Glory,

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we find it, we're losing, we

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can't keep quiet anymore. Glory,

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we find it, we're losing, we

21:42

can't keep quiet anymore. Glory,

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we find

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it, we're losing, we

21:56

can't keep quiet anymore. There

22:00

ain't no homie gonna lose this

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sweet goodbye, not just the poor. Yeah,

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I'm the rhythm and the cover of

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everything. The talking

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heads are gonna make us cry. And

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when we strike back, you

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love each other. Go! I

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ain't even hiding, I ain't

22:26

even no hiding anymore. I

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told you we're fighting, we're losing,

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we can't keep quiet anymore.

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But together we will run. Together

22:38

we will run. Together

22:43

we will run. And when we long,

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it's our time, it's our time. Together

22:49

we will run. Together

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we will run. Together we will

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run. Together

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we will run. Together we

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will run. And

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when we long, it's our time, it's our time.

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Together we will run. Together

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we will run. Ah,

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together we will run. Ah,

23:51

together we will run. Together

23:54

We will run. And When we

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long, it's our time, it's our

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time.