0:00

It does take courage. It takes courage to step

0:03

out. And what's even more amazing

0:05

is those brave heroes that step out

0:07

often without even being recognized. All on

0:09

their own. They're not doing it for

0:11

fame. They're not doing it for fortune.

0:14

They're doing it because it's what's right.

0:16

So many of those courageous heroes have

0:18

come across this desk and sat on

0:20

our stage here at The High Wire.

0:23

It's really the thing I'm the most

0:25

proud of. Today's

0:27

story is one that maybe you don't

0:29

know about. Seems, you know, no one was

0:32

paying attention that there are products out

0:34

there that could have really protected you

0:36

from COVID, but the U.S.

0:39

government made sure you didn't hear about

0:41

it. And if they tried to just

0:43

tell you what they could prove, they

0:45

bring a lawsuit and they try to destroy

0:47

you forever. Most run. Most say, what do

0:49

you need me to pay? All right, I'll

0:52

never say it again. You know, this

0:55

routine, well, not

0:58

Nate Jones. Take a look at this.

1:04

I was born in Kansas City. My

1:06

dad was going to medical school.

1:08

He was always looking for natural

1:10

things to do, non-pharma solutions. And

1:13

he used saline a lot. And

1:15

it wasn't until he read

1:17

some of the studies in the 90s about

1:20

how dentists were using xylitol to prevent tooth

1:22

decay. And there was a study that was

1:24

showed that xylitol is blocking the ability of

1:26

strep pneumo, H-flu, M-catin, and some of these

1:28

other pathogens to adhere to the tissue. And

1:31

he surmised that if you can block it from adhering

1:33

to the tissue, you're not going to get

1:35

sick as often. So he put xylitol into

1:37

a saline and started spraying it up their nose

1:40

and they stopped getting sick. At

1:42

the end of 1999, I went out to visit my dad,

1:45

who lives in West Texas, and

1:47

I was sitting in his clinic with him. And one

1:49

of these nurses came in and said, Dr. Jones, we need

1:51

some more of that jungle juice you mix up for

1:53

the kids. And then the nurse came back and said, yeah,

1:56

that lady, you just went and made that up. She

1:58

just drove from Arkansas with three grandkids

2:00

in the car because one of her family members

2:03

that lived out in West Texas was telling

2:05

her how effective this doctor was treating ear

2:07

infections and so she drove out to West

2:09

Texas bought a couple of

2:11

bottles this for you know a couple of bucks

2:13

and turned around and drove back to Arkansas and

2:15

to me if someone's willing to drive eight hours

2:17

each way to buy a couple bottles you

2:20

should probably start a business with it. I

2:22

quit my job working as a diver

2:24

doing underwater construction and moved back here

2:26

to Utah while I started the company.

2:29

My dad came up with the name

2:31

spelled XLEAR as pronounced clear because

2:33

it clears your nose, washes your nose

2:36

and the X is from the xylitol. So

2:38

we were selling a couple bottles a month

2:40

and then about six months after we started

2:42

we were at a medical convention down in

2:44

Texas and this doctor comes up to us

2:46

and starts asking a lot of very good

2:48

questions and it turns out that it was

2:50

Dr. David Williams and he ends

2:52

up writing this newsletter and then all of a

2:55

sudden within a matter of three days we went

2:57

from doing about a thousand dollars a month in

2:59

business to doing about five thousand dollars a

3:01

day and pretty soon I

3:03

mean we were the number one selling nasal

3:05

spray in the natural market. In 2016 we

3:08

were in the mass market we were in

3:10

a lot of the pharmacies most of the

3:12

chains everything's going great and then COVID hit.

3:14

Mystery virus in China that now has the

3:16

World Health Organization on edge. New infections

3:18

exploding from coast to coast

3:21

shattering records for single-day deaths,

3:23

hospitalizations and new cases. I

3:26

was concerned about how it would affect my family. You

3:28

know my kids are young you know I was worried

3:30

more about my mom and my dad who were elderly.

3:32

It took me a couple of months to realize that

3:34

it really wasn't what we were being fed in the

3:36

media wasn't really what was true. But during early 2020

3:40

kind of started getting a little concerned that

3:42

our public health agencies they'd forgotten how to

3:44

read because there was a

3:46

bunch of papers that started coming out

3:48

in the medical literature talking about just

3:50

using saline. It's just rinsing your airway

3:53

and how that would help with COVID. We've

3:55

been selling a nasal hygiene product for 20 years.

3:58

We understand nasal hygiene. as good

4:00

as any other group on the planet. And

4:03

we just said, hey, you know what? We've never looked at

4:05

viruses. The doctors are telling

4:07

us it's having a good effect. And so

4:10

we sent it up to the Utah State

4:12

University Virology Lab. Does this kill this SARS-CoV-2?

4:15

And sure enough, they responded and

4:17

said, yes, it destroys it, rather

4:19

effectively. And we thought it was

4:21

a xylitol. And what we found out was that

4:23

the grapefruit seed extract that we'd been using for

4:26

20 years as a preservative destroys

4:28

this virus. And the data just kept coming

4:30

out about why and how it would be

4:32

effective. And again, we shared that with the

4:34

government. Again, we shared that with the CDC,

4:37

and they ignored it. But we

4:39

had a lot of the professional baseball teams

4:41

that called us and asked for product for

4:44

their teams to use. Another one is my

4:46

phone rang, and it was George Stephanopoulos. I

4:49

have COVID, and this guy reached out and says

4:51

that your nasal spray might work. And I overnighted

4:53

a couple of bottles to him. And when other

4:55

doctors, when people that were treating people with COVID,

4:57

started talking about how nasal hygiene worked. Some of

5:00

them were using our products, some of them were

5:02

using other products. But we would repost some of

5:04

those and say, hey, people, wash your nose. And

5:06

then July 29 of 2020, we actually got

5:10

a warning letter from the FTC saying that

5:12

we could not be sharing any of the

5:14

data from any of our studies or any

5:16

of the doctors what they were

5:18

talking about as far as nasal hygiene goes and

5:20

how it could be beneficial. I

5:23

said, this is absolutely stupid. But we

5:25

took down the social media post, trying

5:27

to appease the people at the FTC.

5:30

And we never heard back from them. Our lawyers reached out

5:32

to him and said, hey, are you happy with this? Do

5:35

we have your blessing? Did

5:37

we appease you? And they didn't

5:39

respond. They didn't respond. And when we got

5:42

new data studies, we would post those studies.

5:44

We would do press releases. And

5:46

then they came back to us and

5:48

said, no, you can't be sharing these

5:50

press releases because they're not human airway

5:52

studies. And so then we go and do those. And then they come

5:54

back and say, well, you can't just either

5:57

go and do this other study. We go and do that study.

5:59

And they say, OK. you can't use that

6:01

one either. Now you have to go

6:03

do two RCT studies. The goalposts were

6:05

moving. They kept coming back with ridiculous

6:07

after ridiculous after ridiculous and we said

6:10

no. And

6:12

so it was a little bit over a year later after

6:14

they gave us the warning letter, they sued us.

6:18

Fusing us of making unsubstantiated claims. They're telling me

6:20

that I broke the law. I know that I

6:22

haven't broken the law. I think that the people

6:24

at the FTC that are censoring us have broken

6:26

the law and they have caused people to die.

6:28

I mean, I knew I was in a fight

6:30

because I knew that we were in the right.

6:32

I knew we had science on our side and

6:34

I wasn't going to back down. You

6:38

know, when we all

6:41

want some lawsuits about

6:43

the unsubstantiated claims of

6:45

how about the COVID vaccine and its

6:47

effectiveness and now its safety, especially amongst

6:50

children. I don't see the government stepping

6:52

in there and bringing a lawsuit,

6:54

but God forbid you decide

6:56

to irrigate your nose. Well, at the heart

6:58

of this, um, is just

7:00

a really great individual doing what's right.

7:03

I'm joined now by Nate Jones. Thanks

7:06

for having me. It's really a pleasure to

7:08

have you. Um, you

7:10

know, lots of people sort of

7:12

run when the government gets involved.

7:15

I guess in the beginning you tried to

7:17

work with them, right? Like, okay. Uh, but

7:20

what I find interesting about your story is

7:22

usually when you hear about a vitamin company

7:25

or somewhere in natural health, they're just making

7:28

claims, which is hard to stand by. You

7:30

were just basically publishing science

7:33

that was, you were

7:35

funding to have look at your product

7:37

and saying, look, this is what the

7:39

science shows, right? Correct. I

7:41

mean, and early on in 2020, and again,

7:44

in the intro, Nate talked about this, we

7:46

had never in 20 years

7:48

thought about looking at viruses. And so we

7:51

obviously didn't have any data to back

7:53

up. So we weren't saying anything, but

7:55

doctors started talking about it, about using

7:57

it in whether, whether treating patients with

8:00

COVID. People who are doctors who

8:02

are treating patients with COVID, you know, not

8:04

just people at the CDC. And

8:06

they asked us and said, Hey, can you find out why

8:08

this is working that well? And that's why we actually

8:10

send it up and have the studies done. And as soon

8:12

as those studies came back, we understood

8:14

from the first set of data that we

8:17

got that it would be beneficial for

8:19

20 years. We've been out there talking,

8:21

educating, researching about bacteria and how if

8:24

you can stop something in your nose

8:27

before it spreads to the rest of your body,

8:29

your chances of getting sick are obviously, I mean, this

8:31

is, this is something that a, that a kindergartner knows

8:33

and understands. You know, if it

8:36

doesn't spread to the rest of your body, your chance of getting sick are

8:38

going to go down. We know that. I

8:40

mean, why do we wash our hands? Why do we brush our

8:42

teeth? Why do we take, you know, all of this stuff, but

8:45

we don't really wash our nose that much.

8:47

And that's where most of the pathogens in

8:49

in our body come in through. It's certainly

8:51

COVID. All the science said this thing's colonizing

8:53

here. It's moving down into your throat right

8:55

in here is where it starts. If

8:57

you, you know, that's the moment. Then once

9:00

it really, once it goes past there and

9:02

it hits your lungs, then you're in trouble.

9:04

But if you could stop it here and

9:06

what I find so shocking about all these

9:08

stories, but especially is it just, it's such

9:10

a common sense thing. As you said, saline

9:12

would do something, but if there's something in

9:14

that saline that actually kills the virus,

9:16

then correct all the better.

9:19

But meanwhile, we're being every doctor

9:21

was saying don't do anything at

9:23

all. We have absolutely no treatment

9:25

whatsoever. So what

9:28

is the side effect of saying you may want

9:30

to try rinsing your nose? I mean, since that

9:32

is where it is, maybe some of it will

9:34

rinse out. I mean, we're so

9:36

far outside of reason in this conversation. Well,

9:38

a side effect of doing that is the

9:40

government would sue you. Right.

9:43

I don't know. You know, you almost would

9:45

rather die than, right than actually do it.

9:47

But no, I mean, we had data, there

9:49

were articles that were getting published in the

9:51

Journal of the American Medical Association suggesting that

9:54

it would probably work, but they had data

9:56

from the study. The first one that I'm aware of where

9:58

they actually had data was an NIH funded study. at

10:00

Vanderbilt University, where they were using saline irrigation.

10:02

They had 60 people over the age of

10:04

65. They all had COVID. They

10:06

test positive. They have symptoms. And then under a

10:08

week, they're all better. And

10:11

when you go out and try to share this, the

10:13

companies that provided the material, their

10:16

competitors' bars, Neoman, Navage, they said, okay, well,

10:18

we won't share the data. Which if you

10:20

ask me, I think that's a travesty to

10:22

their customers, and it's a travesty

10:25

to our country, because they need to

10:27

stand up and share the data

10:29

for something that's so safe and

10:31

has, I mean, yeah, granted it was a

10:33

study of 60 people. But

10:36

the safety factor of that efficacy,

10:39

is it really going to hurt anybody if they go and

10:41

put some salt water up their nose? Not really. And

10:43

we've known that you can use iodine in a

10:45

nasal spray. They use baby shampoo in nasal sprays.

10:48

We've been using xylitol for decades, iota

10:51

carrageenin. And there's all kinds of things

10:53

that we know block bacteria and

10:55

viruses from adhering in our nose. Here

10:57

in the US, we suppress

10:59

that information. There's too much money being made

11:02

off of the pharmaceuticals to treat all these

11:04

diseases that we breathe in. So

11:06

tell me a little bit about, let's take it

11:08

back a step, because we sort of rushed through

11:11

it in that. Your father

11:13

decides, let me try putting

11:16

xylitol into a nasal spray. Is that sort

11:18

of how this starts? Correct. What

11:20

was his thinking on that? Like, why xylitol? So

11:23

they've known since the 60s, they started doing it in the

11:25

40s, so that's where I got missed

11:30

out. But they started doing research in

11:32

the 60s looking at how xylitol prevents tooth decay.

11:36

Dentists were doing these research studies. Dentists

11:39

really didn't really communicate that much

11:41

with physicians. And

11:44

what happened is, when PubMed came online,

11:47

my dad was on there querying how to prevent

11:49

ear infections, and what kept coming up with these

11:51

dental research studies, because the dentists that

11:53

keep all the data, and the kids in

11:55

these studies with all the xylitol chewing gum,

11:57

looking at how to prevent tooth decay, they

11:59

noticed... They also were recording the

12:01

data showing that they got 42% fewer respiratory

12:03

infections, ear infections, just by chewing gum with

12:05

xylitol. Really? Okay. You

12:08

get rid of tooth decay, 42% fewer ear infections.

12:10

These are University of Michigan dental school studies. They're

12:13

published. They were published a long

12:15

time ago. And my dad read that. And then

12:17

there was a study that came out in 98

12:19

in a journal of antimicrobial chemotherapy where

12:21

they actually talked and said, this is what's happening.

12:24

Xylitol is blocking the ability of strep pneumo, H,

12:26

flu, MCAT, and all these pathogens from adhering to

12:28

the tissue. And you can block that

12:30

adhesion. You're obviously not going to

12:32

get sick that much. And

12:35

so we understood that. My dad, he goes, well,

12:37

I have all these babies that are having current

12:39

ear infections rather than bombard. It's a huge issue

12:41

in kids. It didn't used to be, but kids

12:43

been in the tubes in their ears and just

12:45

it's a real mess for a lot of parents.

12:48

But he started putting it into a

12:50

saline spray, started washing their nose out and they

12:52

stopped getting sick. Kids that were

12:54

coming in, you know, constantly for antibiotics, they

12:57

stopped getting sick. So I quit my day

12:59

job. I started the company and 20

13:01

years later, we're in most of your pharmacies,

13:04

your grocery stores, your retailer. I mean, we're

13:06

everywhere. And

13:09

then we have COVID and we end up learning

13:11

what it does for not just SARS-CoV-2, but H1N1,

13:13

RSV, and a couple of other ones.

13:17

Wow. And so all you were doing is putting

13:19

up the study here that we just did

13:22

a study. Here's where it's at. This is

13:24

what you can say. You're not, beyond that,

13:26

you're not like we're curing coronavirus. This is

13:28

what it shows how it's affecting the virus.

13:31

What is the source of xylitol? To

13:34

me, in my mind, I'm like, that's like a

13:36

fake sugar, right? It's like a fake sugar product.

13:38

So how is it end up having some medicinal

13:40

value? It's actually a natural sugar. Okay. In fact,

13:43

the best way to get it is if you

13:45

go break a corn cob after you get your

13:47

next beer or corn on the cob, break the

13:49

cob in half and suck on it. And that's

13:52

xylitol. About 40% of the dry weight of a

13:54

corn cob is xylitol. Really? It's

13:56

the number one sugar in biomass.

14:00

It's one of the sugars that makes up plant walls.

14:02

Okay. So I mean, it's extremely common.

14:05

And if you go back a couple of hundred years

14:07

before we were processing glucose sucrose,

14:10

it was the number one sugar that we ate as humans. Wow,

14:13

so that was really our sweetener in

14:16

nature when we were just eating things and not adding

14:18

an outside sugar. And

14:21

so now you're bringing that back around. Are

14:23

there, I mean, you were telling me backstage

14:26

that they're doing some looking at gut biome

14:28

being affected by it. Yeah, there's

14:30

a couple of studies out there that are

14:32

where they're looking at things like autism, bone

14:35

microbiome, they're looking at, they have somewhere they're

14:37

looking at cancer. Even

14:39

though I'm funding it, that's outside of my

14:41

area of what I truly understand. I

14:44

could say enough just to confuse myself

14:47

and everybody else. But

14:50

no, it's some exciting research. So

14:52

now this lawsuit, are you the only one?

14:54

I mean, as you said, Navage, there's all

14:56

these other nasal irrigation companies, you can go

14:58

to the drug store, you see them there,

15:01

you see Clear there, did

15:03

they receive the same letter? They received the

15:05

same warning letter and they just, yeah.

15:09

Walked, they just ran and they just said, well,

15:11

we'll stay away from it. Tucked down in their

15:13

foxhole was their word. Right. Until

15:16

it all blows over. And then you

15:18

decided to step out. So like just,

15:20

I don't promote products, but this

15:23

is about a product. But you made it

15:25

clear, like you're fighting for this. Yeah. But

15:28

really, this is a competitor, right? Correct.

15:30

How will this competitor be affected? Because is

15:33

this also a xylitol product? Yeah, no, they

15:35

use xylitol. There's a couple other ones that

15:37

use xylitol. What I'm trying

15:39

to get to is that the concept of

15:41

nasal hygiene is something that we do

15:43

need to look at and understand. Okay,

15:46

I know it, I understand it. Yeah. We're

15:48

blocked from actually discussing what it does because

15:50

of our government and these agencies that I

15:53

guess are run by the pharmaceutical companies. Because public

15:56

health, I mean, I'll give you a good example is soap.

15:59

Yeah. We all know that washing your hands with

16:01

soap and water is probably the best way to stop

16:04

the spread of communicable diseases out there, period. But

16:06

the soap companies can't go say that because

16:09

they're not a drug. So we can

16:11

go in and say washing your nose helps

16:14

you smell better, but

16:17

we can't really get into what's behind it. And

16:19

in the past, the CDC, when they were

16:21

actually doing their job, they were out there

16:23

educating people. They were out there talking to

16:25

people about washing their hands,

16:28

using soap and water, singing the happy birthday

16:30

to you while you're washing your hands. They

16:32

were also out there sending dental hygienists to

16:34

schools to teach people, teach kids how to

16:36

brush their teeth, how to use those little

16:38

pink pills and give you a toothbrush and

16:40

some toothpaste. And they were teaching people

16:43

how to do that. And since

16:45

1980, I guess, because that's when I was

16:48

there, they've kind of abdicated that. They just

16:50

don't do it anymore. And they're

16:52

just so myopically focused

16:54

on just sitting around waiting to

16:56

have a vaccine for everything. Well, I

16:58

mean, as we pointed out just earlier in the show,

17:00

every doctor is being paid essentially, it looks like, to

17:02

be a drug pusher. Sell drugs. And

17:05

if a drug doesn't fix it, everybody else

17:07

has got to keep their science off the

17:09

television, keep it off your websites. You're not

17:11

allowed to talk about it only. And this

17:14

is really where this gets very complicated, right?

17:16

Because on the one hand, I mean, I

17:19

fight for safety studies every day. I was

17:21

like, where are the safety trials on vaccines?

17:23

It's one of the big questions. But pharma

17:25

likes that we have the randomized control trial

17:27

out there because really, technically, they're the only

17:29

ones that can afford to do it. I mean,

17:31

it does cost oftentimes millions of dollars to do

17:33

a trial like that, right? Yeah, but usually, that's

17:35

the sad thing is these

17:37

days, it's not really the pharma-suo companies that are

17:40

paying for it. It's mostly our tax dollars. How

17:42

so? Because the NIH, I mean, you listened to all

17:45

this during COVID. Well, we're funding that. We fund all

17:47

this research. The NIH and

17:49

the NIAID, they fund billions of

17:52

dollars in research. They're the ones that are funding

17:54

most of that. The pharma-suo companies don't fund as

17:56

much. Everybody thinks that they fund a lot of

17:58

money. usually the government

18:00

that's funding it because they get kickbacks from

18:03

it. They get royalty payments from it. Yeah,

18:05

that's something that we saw with COVID. Multiple

18:08

scientists would be paid for life for

18:10

developing it inside of a government agency.

18:12

And then that same government agency promotes

18:14

the product that they developed. They get

18:16

their kickbacks and lo and behold, the

18:18

side effects, I don't know what you're

18:20

talking about. We don't see any side

18:23

effects. We're not doing any studies to

18:25

look at it. We're not looking at

18:27

VAERS. We refuse to refute what's happening

18:29

there. So when

18:31

you did these studies, you kept going

18:33

and doing studies of

18:36

your product. I mean, that has to have an

18:38

expense to it too. Why do it? Because

18:41

I like to know. Yeah. I

18:43

like to know what I'm talking about.

18:47

So when we really

18:49

started doing studies was actually during COVID

18:51

because that opened up a whole new

18:53

door of viruses. We

18:56

did a study in 2006, I want to say, where we actually had a... We

19:04

couldn't find anybody in the US who knew it, so we found someone in

19:06

the Czech Republic, but they went and looked at a bunch of kids and

19:08

used a xylitol nasal spray on

19:11

them prophylactically for a couple of months because

19:13

it had chronic ear infection, chronic otitis media.

19:16

And that study showed

19:18

that the kids that used a nasal spray

19:20

with xylitol reduced the incense of ear infections

19:22

by over 80%, which is phenomenal.

19:26

The other thing that it showed

19:28

is it showed a shift of

19:30

the nasal microbiome from pathogenic bacteria

19:32

to non-pathogenic bacteria. The good

19:34

bacteria. Yeah, the commensals. It doesn't kill everything.

19:36

It's not like an antibiotic which has its

19:38

own issues because it wipes out

19:40

the good and the bad. Correct. And

19:43

we also know that from 50 years of studies of xylitol

19:45

in the mouth because it does the same thing in the

19:47

mouth. But when we tried

19:49

to get that study published, the

19:52

editors of the pediatric journals were

19:54

like, nah, there's no way. There's

19:56

no way this is how. There's no way that spraying sugar

19:58

water up your nose is going to happen. to reduce

20:00

your infections like this. And so we

20:02

just said, well, we just spent a couple hundred thousand dollars

20:04

on getting his study done. Yeah. And it's

20:07

money wasted. So we

20:09

kind of slowed down doing a lot of research in

20:11

the nasal space. Yeah. We funded a bunch in oral

20:13

care and stuff, but you

20:15

know, it's mostly so that we

20:17

know it. We can go in and talk to

20:19

the doctors and the dentists about it, share the

20:21

data with them, but the government stops us from

20:24

actually sharing that data with the public. What faith

20:26

do you have from your vantage point now in

20:28

the sort of government regulatory system? It's supposed to

20:30

be looking, I mean, it's supposed to be protecting,

20:32

you know, people, Federal

20:35

Trade Commission protecting America's consumers. That's

20:37

their tagline. Yeah. But I can

20:39

show you with data that

20:42

by the stuff that they're censoring,

20:44

just censoring us, censoring our

20:47

competitors, people died.

20:49

I mean, if they had come

20:51

out on the news and said, hey, guys,

20:54

just wash your nose with salt water. I guarantee

20:56

you there would be hundreds of thousands of people

20:58

alive today. The studies show that. Yeah. I mean,

21:01

it's not like it's making you level up. Studies

21:03

show that, you know. You

21:05

took relatively, you know, as safe of

21:08

drugs as there's gonna be out there

21:10

with ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, took them out of

21:12

people's reach while you had no answers.

21:14

Then you push Remdesivir, which in its

21:17

study, manipulates itself mid study. Tony Fauci

21:19

goes in, changes the endpoints, you

21:21

know, change the protocols, which

21:24

is fraud. Like

21:26

they perform fraud, but bring the case

21:28

against you how confident are

21:30

you with your case? I mean, you know,

21:32

it's... I'm pretty confident because they still, I

21:35

mean, it's just the stuff that we found out in

21:37

depositions already. I mean, they haven't, they're deposing me the

21:39

last week of June, but we've already deposed them. And

21:41

one of the funny things, I mean, it's not funny,

21:44

it's really sad, is

21:46

that the people at the

21:48

FTC, they acknowledge that

21:50

they never even opened the emails and read the studies. Really?

21:53

We could have sent them any study they wanted. And

21:55

they said it wasn't in the news, so it can't be true. The

21:58

news. Yeah. Well, that

22:00

reminds me of, you know, when,

22:03

you know, the head of the CDC says, I learned

22:05

about, you know, the COVID in, in, in, at CNN

22:08

or the, the vaccine, I think it was the vaccine

22:10

she said, I learned about it at CNN. I was

22:12

like, you're the head of the CDC. You're learning about

22:14

the fact that it's going to be ready by the

22:16

news. Yeah. But to answer your question, I have very

22:19

little confidence. Um, you know, I

22:21

mean, you have so many drugs that are approved

22:23

and then, and, and

22:25

then, you know, we find out they're harmful. I mean, you

22:27

have opioids that are approved. You have Vioxx. I mean, the

22:29

list is long. Yeah. Um, you know,

22:31

and they, but yet everybody sits there and

22:33

talks about regulating. I'm not in a supplement

22:35

business. I don't sell supplements, but

22:38

everybody talks about the need to regulate

22:40

the supplement business more. More

22:42

people use supplements in America than use

22:44

pharmaceuticals. Okay. They're cheaper people use them,

22:47

but yet you have over 2 million people

22:50

reporting adverse effects from drugs every

22:53

year. And you have about 3000 people

22:56

reporting adverse events from, from supplements. Right.

22:58

So tell me which one you think

23:00

needs to be regulated more. Right. What,

23:04

uh, when you look at the government system

23:06

and if you were a king for a

23:08

day, I mean, it does appear regulatory capture

23:10

is a huge issue. The pharmaceutical industry has

23:13

just got itself wrapped around the CDC,

23:15

FDA. I don't know FTC

23:17

what's involved there, but we see EPA has

23:19

got Exxon official, it's just like somehow

23:22

these lobbyists have, you

23:24

know, where these regulatory agencies are supposed to

23:26

be, as they said, looking out for the

23:28

consumer. Ultimately they're doing the bidding

23:30

for their bosses, which appears to be the

23:33

industries were supposed to be being protected from. If

23:36

I was president, because here in the U

23:38

S we don't have Kings. If

23:40

I was president for a day,

23:42

um, I would probably just

23:45

demand that the CDC and the

23:47

surgeon general, you got to

23:49

increase what they're doing

23:52

to educate people about how to

23:54

stay healthy public health. The golden,

23:56

the golden century. Yeah. But

23:58

the golden time of public. health was really from

24:01

the late 1800s to the late 1900s. We

24:03

had a reduction in almost every type

24:05

of communicable disease and it wasn't through

24:07

vaccines, it wasn't through pharmaceutical products, it

24:09

was because our public health agencies were

24:11

out there making sure that we exercised,

24:15

that we ate food, good nutrition,

24:17

that we had good personal hygiene, and that we

24:19

had good sanitation. We had water coming to our

24:21

houses, we had the sewage getting pumped away, we

24:23

had the trash getting taken away. All

24:26

of that stuff. Those are the four pillars

24:28

that public health policy should be based on.

24:30

They shouldn't be based on sticking

24:32

a needle in everybody. And they shouldn't be

24:34

based on pharmaceuticals, but that's what the Surgeon

24:36

General and that's what the CDC are doing

24:38

now, is they're focusing on that. And

24:40

I tried to find out

24:43

what the budget, the amount of money being

24:45

spent on prevention and education

24:47

was compared to the $4

24:50

trillion that we spend on sick care, health

24:52

care. And I couldn't find a good solid

24:54

number, but it's a couple of billion. So

24:57

you're spending a couple of billion as a country on

25:00

educating people and preventing and teaching them how to

25:02

brush their teeth and wash their nose, wash your

25:04

hands. Even that, because

25:06

when we look into it, we look at

25:09

food pyramids or whatever shape they put the

25:11

food, you see that it's being funded by

25:13

Kellogg's and Nabisco and the

25:15

World War is supported. So is the

25:17

funding even going to actual health? Or

25:20

again, again, that's the,

25:22

the issue is the poisons is,

25:24

you know, what, what is good

25:26

for you when it comes to

25:28

nutrition? I don't believe that what's good

25:30

for you or you or you is the same for

25:32

me. I mean, I read a book once called the

25:34

China study about, you know, being a vegetarian

25:36

and I'm like, Oh, this makes sense. So I became

25:39

a vegetarian for a year and I blew up to

25:41

like 320 pounds. I mean, I

25:43

was way bigger than than I am now.

25:45

Yeah. You know, and so obviously being a

25:47

vegetarian doesn't work for me. I

25:49

have a neighbor who's a vegetarian. He's healthy

25:51

as can be. So obviously

25:53

it's not a one size fits all

25:56

and people in public health should understand

25:58

that. Right. Absolutely. But yeah. But

26:00

it's you know. But I think that. I

26:02

I don't think that the Cd or that is Cdc.

26:04

I don't think that the Ftc. Should. Be

26:06

able to sue people unless they're I'm actually

26:08

making false and misleading statements. That's what the

26:11

law says. losses that we can't make false

26:13

misleading statements. That's what Congress gave them. we

26:15

all knowledge at everybody and businesses. Yeah that's

26:17

true. We probably should be allowed to gonna

26:19

lie about what this does. We should be

26:21

able to got my the do a gonna

26:23

prevent you from getting something. right?

26:25

Totally. I was all play was lifted. Playbills

26:27

What's in his book you got here? What's

26:29

this about? So this is actually it's just.

26:31

you know they say you don't have a

26:33

the thing that they have is. The.

26:35

Ftc says you have to have. Substantial.

26:38

Study right? Take. There's bunches

26:40

of studies back and wins gets as soon

26:43

as is available for people. Oh no as

26:45

to stop there. All your the studies are

26:47

all available on our web page. Linger on

26:49

your weapons. Yeah, what's your web page as

26:51

clear Xl ear.com Force last days ago and

26:53

you know there's been a couple of of

26:55

great people that have talked about this. I

26:58

mean you know Doctor Mcauliffe? Yes, he talks

27:00

about this lot now. Yup. Ah, other doctors

27:02

have come out and talked about it. Me:

27:05

Know. When. The when a

27:07

great peril by the way by Sunday at

27:09

it's like your your advice is assembly under

27:11

review for whoa You know that? So so

27:14

when they sued me. This. Is actually

27:16

addressing when they sue me. The. Very

27:18

first person that that. Reached. Out.

27:20

To me and said hey. We. Want to

27:22

talk to you about this because of the government suing you.

27:25

What? You're selling is probably true, and it's

27:27

probably effective right in. that. And it was.

27:29

And it was a podcast Pat podcast called

27:31

Investigators. And. I started getting you know people

27:33

com up hating on I'm. Which

27:36

and. Tell. Me: why that even

27:38

make sense? Wouldn't. Next steps in

27:40

this case where where where you at right

27:42

now as as well when I'll flip to

27:44

be deposed. Me and they just roped in

27:46

my my eighty seven year old than or

27:48

were young. They they just noticed up last

27:50

week that they want to depose him. right

27:53

you know they i think that they know they're

27:55

not going to win and there's trying to make

27:57

as much hassle as they can hear for the

28:00

simple reason that that you know

28:02

that's their their thing is the

28:04

FTC has many times said

28:06

that it isn't we don't care whether win or lose

28:09

it's the process is the punishment and

28:11

so if you asked if I was keen for

28:13

a day I would just abolish the FTC for

28:15

the simple reason they're not doing anything good yeah

28:18

I mean you'd think they were but it's so

28:20

easy to prove someone's lying and

28:23

it becomes way more difficult to sit there

28:25

and make it so vague so

28:28

they can really what they're trying to do is they're

28:30

putting out guidelines that make it so vague that they

28:32

can sue anybody they want to yeah for making any

28:34

claim at all I mean that's

28:37

what I think really is it's guys like you

28:39

true that's really what it means to be a

28:41

true American patriot now someone's got to stand the

28:43

ground if everyone just gives in if

28:45

everyone runs away I mean you could give

28:47

a successful company nobody knows what's going on

28:49

the product still on the shelves people can

28:51

go and get it so you're

28:54

going out of your way to sort of stand

28:56

your ground and put yourself in you know harm's

28:58

way I think I think as I

29:00

dig more into it I realize that there's more

29:02

at stake than just me

29:04

or even my company it's if you

29:06

take away all the supplements and stuff that people

29:09

you know rely on and they're

29:11

you know natural products again I

29:13

think that's a bigger impact on America not just

29:16

take them away but because now they're gonna go

29:18

and rely more on pharmaceutical products right exactly

29:21

right that's the whole goal I think

29:23

that's shifting though I really feel like we're

29:25

in a very important moment why it's so

29:27

important to tell stories like this I'm really

29:29

happy to meet you it's an honor to

29:32

meet people that are just doing what's

29:34

right just do it right well

29:37

take care best of luck okay let's post it

29:39

on all of your successes will do all right

29:41

we'll keep you in our prayers