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knew along the way. I'm

2:07

a dumb guy. Is this a metaphor for a

2:09

woman's period? Yes or no? I

2:11

don't know. I didn't think about

2:14

that until right in a second. And

2:16

you asked me while I was eating a Pichio for

2:18

my mental health? Uh-huh. And, I mean,

2:20

there is a whole pool of blood, and

2:23

once she is bathed in it, she emerges

2:25

a new creature. So, like, maybe?

2:29

Well, we should just start the episode so we can

2:31

get into it, right? Like, what are we even doing

2:33

here? I'm gonna go get my Good and Plenty. Thank

2:36

you for tuning into Horror Virgin. What? I'm going to

2:38

go get my Good and Plenty. Leave your disgusting candy

2:40

out of it. Go get

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your Good and Plenty's, and then we'll kick it

2:44

off when you get back. Go

2:46

get your disgusting, licorice candy.

2:49

They're covered. What's up? There's some

2:51

licorice in the center! If I was like,

2:53

hey, these milk duds are actually

2:55

shit in the middle, would that make a

2:57

difference to you? Probably. You wouldn't be like,

2:59

well, there's chocolate on the outside. No, it's

3:01

still shit in the middle. You

3:03

know that he left, right? Yeah,

3:06

so I won that argument, technically. What's

3:09

that? I got wild energy today. I'm

3:12

drinking green tea, which I think, if

3:14

it doesn't come in this turquoise can,

3:17

is probably good for you. I learned

3:20

from my aunt in Arizona that nothing

3:22

turquoise can hurt you. What?

3:31

Thank you for tuning into Horror Virgin on page. Mikey.

3:33

And I'm your Horror Virgin Todd, which

3:36

means I don't like revisiting movies, but

3:38

you guys make me revisit them, and

3:40

this week we revisited The Descent. The

3:42

Descent. Because it was the listener request

3:44

winner. We should say that. And man,

3:47

did it win. It

3:49

had like 48% of the vote when I checked in with

3:51

it last, but I was like, oh, there's no way any

3:53

of the other three are coming back from that. So here

3:55

we are. Jake was like,

3:57

can I pop in? If it's Tremors, I was like, Tremors

3:59

ain't gonna win. Like, Descent is gonna win

4:01

with a fucking landslide. But like,

4:03

fully yes, anytime Jake wants to pop

4:06

in is welcome. Okay,

4:08

so the last time we did this episode, you

4:10

two weren't on it. Because it was like, I don't know, episodes...

4:13

I think I was on it. Were you?

4:15

I'm looking it up right now because I

4:18

honestly do not remember. What number was it?

4:20

It was episode 28, so Mikey, you were

4:22

on it. I don't know. No,

4:24

I don't think I was on it. Grave

4:27

Encounters was my first one. So you two

4:29

weren't on the last episode because it was

4:31

episode 28, and

4:33

Friend of the Pod Chris was

4:35

on that episode. That was that

4:37

like, dark period post-Clint before Mikey,

4:40

where it was just like a murderer's row

4:42

of a who's who of guests. And Chris

4:44

is one of those. Which Chris? Christopher

4:47

Nolan? Chris...Muda Chris Bridges? So

4:49

it was Chris who was the other half

4:51

of Majestic Swayze. He was also the lead

4:53

singer in Blackwater James, the band that I

4:56

was in in college and a little bit

4:58

after college. Christopher Walken? No. Mikey

5:01

and I's mutual friend Chris, who I love

5:03

very much, was a guest on that episode.

5:05

So since this is your first time on

5:08

the episodes, Paige and Mikey, how'd you feel

5:10

about the descent? This was my first time ever seeing

5:12

it all the way through. Was it the first time you ever thought...

5:14

Really? ...are you serious? Yeah, and

5:16

I'd seen portions of it. There's very famous scenes from the

5:18

film, so I was aware of the

5:20

film, but I had never just

5:22

sat down and watched it. Now, here's the other

5:24

weird thing. So the choices for listener requests were

5:27

this, Autopsy of Jane

5:29

Doe, Tremors, and Leslie Vernon, and

5:31

Tremors was the only one I had seen of

5:33

those four. Really? So there was a

5:35

75% chance that

5:37

I was coming into this blind no matter what. This

5:40

was the first time I saw the descent. I

5:42

have only one critique

5:44

of this film. That's actually

5:47

surprisingly low for you. Like,

5:49

normally, I mean, you're the one that went to film school,

5:52

so you like Seymour, you know what I'm saying? Yeah,

5:54

only one critique, because it's written well,

5:56

it's paced well, and has

5:59

very scary imagery. It's a scary

6:01

plot you get right into it It gets

6:03

into a lot of fears a lot of

6:05

the jump scares are earned and earned well

6:07

and done Well, my only complaint

6:09

is that there's too many characters and too

6:11

many of them look alike with names that

6:13

sound alike That's my one complaint. Are you

6:15

telling me that you didn't like

6:17

Janelle Jessica? Jimmy none

6:19

of those are their names Beth

6:22

and Becca Sam and Sarah

6:25

Juno and Holly so

6:28

and I had to like look it up a

6:30

bunch You should try dating more than one of

6:32

them at a time. Why would you do that?

6:36

but also three of them

6:38

are of similar hair

6:40

color and skin color and Roughly

6:42

the same build as the blonde. Yeah to the

6:44

point where when they're covered in blood you really

6:47

can't tell them apart easily Except

6:49

for the one that's on the Witcher and I

6:52

was like go to say I go and then

6:54

she died It was really sad, but you know,

6:56

but overall I thought this was really great. It

6:58

didn't scare me too much I thought it was

7:00

gonna scare me way worse, but I think in

7:02

a theater this would have been fucking terrifying I

7:05

think because I'm in my living room it

7:07

lessened it a little bit but in a

7:09

dark movie theater Fucking terrifying

7:12

terrifying. I'm sure I do

7:14

think this movie is one of the scariest modern

7:16

movies that you could probably watch I think an

7:18

original too. Yeah, and we've never done the sequels

7:20

for this podcast, which is good We haven't done

7:22

the sequels. No, I think I think there's only

7:25

one sequel though, right? There's one and we'll

7:27

also talk about the alternate ending on this one, too

7:29

Which I don't know if you guys did on the

7:31

original one, but I have info to talk about it

7:33

today That's what I was gonna talk about when

7:36

I originally saw it So it wasn't just an

7:38

alternate ending page like some of the releases had

7:40

the ending Yes, I saw it with the other

7:42

ending and the other ending the first

7:44

time I saw is with that other ending And

7:47

I prefer the other ending personally. I got

7:49

pissed off at the other ending. What is the other

7:51

ending? Let's let's close the loop on that so we

7:53

can talk about it. The other ending is she

7:55

gets in the car The thing pops up. She

7:57

is actually back in the cave and never escape

7:59

escape the whole time. Yeah. Okay.

8:03

I don't love that ending. Because here's the thing. I

8:05

don't love nihilistic endings. You know this about

8:07

me. However, it's not that just that she ends

8:09

up in a cave, it's that she's there with

8:11

her daughter sharing a cake. So it's like a

8:13

delusion. She is going to die there. But

8:15

at least she is reunited with her

8:17

daughter, which I feel like thematically works

8:19

for me better than just the stinger

8:21

ending. But I have info

8:23

about why there's two and why different

8:26

releases have two. Okay. Well, let's

8:28

save that for fun facts. Let's tease it up front. Oh,

8:30

for sure. Put it in the back.

8:32

You know what I'm saying? Well, this, the ending

8:34

where she escapes is how they have a sequel

8:36

where like they go back to find the other

8:39

people or whatever. It kicks off two days later.

8:41

I like looked at the description. I haven't seen

8:43

that one, obviously, but I read that one right

8:45

before we were recording this because I literally just

8:47

watched this for the second time in my life.

8:50

The last time was when we recorded for that

8:52

episode again, which was

8:54

episode 26, like back in 2018 or something. I

8:57

think my critique also, I hate

9:00

the other ending just because I don't like Nyla's to give.

9:03

And that is a personal choice for mine. You know that I respect

9:05

people who would like the other ending. But

9:07

I also think that they do look

9:09

too much alike when it gets dark.

9:11

Yeah, which sucks because they weave this

9:13

intricate, subtle story of

9:16

who is who and who and their

9:18

relationships with each other. Yeah. And

9:20

I feel like diversifying them a

9:23

little bit more would help you

9:25

track that a little bit better.

9:27

Yes, absolutely. Yeah. I

9:29

mean, I don't even I still don't remember

9:31

the main character's name, but like her and Juno's

9:33

thing is just crazily good in the background.

9:36

Yes, and brutal. Like once you find

9:38

out kind of like because they they

9:40

very subtly drop it in through the

9:42

movie. Yeah. And

9:44

like so this is the same guy who did dog

9:46

soldiers. This fixes almost all the problems dog soldiers have.

9:49

Agreed. I don't have any of the pacing

9:51

issues that we have with dog soldiers. Any of that stuff. Yeah,

9:53

I have no pacing issues. I have no in dog

9:55

soldiers that kind of did the same thing in the

9:57

same roundabout over and over again. That's gone. But

10:00

the good parts of Dog Soldiers, the

10:02

interpersonal relationships between them, that's here and

10:04

that's great. Yeah, which is something horror

10:06

movies do really poorly, I think most

10:09

of the time. But I think a

10:11

more diverse, identifiable cast. But man, I

10:13

don't know though, the movie kind of

10:15

drops at Juno sucks pretty quick when

10:17

you know that she's tricking them into

10:19

another cave. Oh, yeah. Okay, yeah, I

10:21

mean, Juno is like a hardcore villain

10:23

in this movie, which... Villain with

10:25

a capital fucking V villain. Yeah,

10:28

like, too, I think it's

10:30

sociopathic level. Well, but yes,

10:32

but they also humanize her. She

10:35

killed her husband and daughter.

10:37

Well, no she didn't. Was she driving

10:39

the other car, Mikey? Is that what you

10:41

think? I'm thinking that he would have been

10:43

so distracted driving if he wasn't having sex

10:45

with the Juno. I don't think that

10:47

has anything to do with this. I do

10:49

think she does bring up that he

10:52

was being distant, and I think that

10:54

Mikey might have a leg to stand

10:56

on here. But there's no way that

10:58

she could know that Juno is just

11:00

a stone cold villain. Like, she only

11:03

cares about herself, I guess, because she

11:05

lies to all of her friends to

11:08

get them here. Like, it's not

11:10

like she becomes a bad person

11:12

under insane circumstances. No. She's terrible

11:14

from Jump Street. But I feel

11:16

like a lot of the things we

11:18

see in this movie that typify her

11:20

as a villain are very human reactions.

11:22

Where anyone placed in that situation would

11:24

go one way or the other way,

11:26

and you almost can't fault them sometimes,

11:28

and she just chooses- Are you talking

11:31

about when she kills her friends? Yes.

11:33

Yes, Paige, I know! Like, okay, that's

11:35

the least villainistic thing I think she

11:37

does. I agree! No, but

11:40

it's her leaving her. Yes,

11:42

that is brutal, yeah. Well, if I accidentally

11:44

killed one of y'all and there's creatures and

11:46

stuff, I'm gonna be like, I'm- Run away!

11:48

So sorry. I think what she should have

11:51

done, and this is also a super dark

11:53

take, so sorry, but she should have done

11:55

what Sarah does when she- Like, oh

11:57

my god, I didn't mean to, like you suck up on

11:59

me, it's- I go fucking dark in here and I

12:01

just swung around and I'm so sorry and like

12:03

that is what you should be saying and then

12:05

You know, I do think that one of the

12:08

three blondes that's not Sarah that when she is

12:10

like saying to Sarah kill me I think she

12:12

would have said that to Juno and under those

12:14

circumstances, right? Well, I don't want to re litigate

12:16

the scene early But I will say that I

12:18

blame the girl for sneaking up on her and

12:20

not saying anything Why she

12:22

just fought a bunch of creatures with an

12:24

axe. She doesn't know that I mean like

12:26

I truly think it's nobody's fault It's an

12:29

accident. It's nobody's fault. Exactly Accident

12:31

page axe a dent you

12:33

get it. It was

12:36

a pic accident But

12:41

I hated this movie spoiler alert, I mean no

12:43

one no one's gonna be surprised by that I

12:45

was super scared of that when we watched it

12:48

in 2018 for the show and I never

12:50

wanted to watch it again And then to

12:52

host quit we were like fuck it. Let's revisit movies

12:54

with the new people. So here we are I

12:58

get why people think this is

13:00

an amazing movie because it is an amazing horror

13:02

movie I agree Like the problems we

13:05

have a dog soldiers are completely gone And I

13:07

think that this is a movie that would be

13:09

prone to those issues because they're literally just in

13:11

a cave Everything looks almost the same

13:13

all of the time, but it doesn't feel like

13:15

they're running around the same place They're not it

13:17

did in dog soldiers, right? I have some fun

13:20

facts as to how they did this and they're not

13:22

in the same place the whole time I remember

13:24

some of the fun facts from the last episode.

13:26

So I'll sit on that But yeah I mean

13:28

I think that they made very wise choices with

13:30

that so it didn't look and feel like it

13:32

was the same Like a cave that they found

13:34

that like was big enough for the cameras and

13:36

they had to use a you know 200

13:39

yard segment of it or whatever. So

13:41

yeah, I think I think they did

13:44

a really good job with that But

13:46

it was so hard to watch so

13:48

many jump scares I also was super

13:50

scared like super scared by the only

13:52

jump scare I really remembered and

13:54

that was the one on the camera

13:57

where you first see the creature pretty

13:59

much fully That's the best fucking

14:01

one. I remembered it. I remembered

14:03

how the creatures looked because of

14:05

this shot. And man, it still

14:07

scared the shit out of me. I like, I

14:09

was watching it in bed and my dogs were

14:12

around me and I was like, Oh! And like,

14:14

my dogs were like, what the fuck? Because I

14:16

was so scared by it. I had never seen

14:18

this movie, but I saw, I had seen that

14:20

scene. Because it's so famous. To the point where

14:22

she picks up the camera and she's like, infrared.

14:25

I was like, oh, we're gonna, and I still

14:27

wasn't ready. It still got me. And I like,

14:29

in the moment was like, Oh, fuck! Damn! And

14:31

then the movie just got me. No, I

14:33

mean, it gets you. And then like, there's

14:36

a bunch of other ones that get you.

14:38

And I was blown away because in my

14:40

mind, I'm like, Oh, it's a bunch of

14:42

ladies. They go spelunking and then they get

14:44

attacked by cave people. OK, cool. That's what

14:46

I remember as the movie. We don't see

14:49

a cave person. Well, we do technically, but

14:51

they don't see a cave person until a

14:53

little over an hour into this hour and

14:55

thirty nine minute movie, which is like crazy

14:57

because 60 minutes in, I'm like, Oh my

14:59

God, this is so tense. And it literally

15:02

is just them being stuck in a cave

15:04

that like had collapsed a little bit.

15:06

Well, the claustrophobia stuff is scarier to

15:08

me than the creature stuff. Like, I

15:10

will not do that. Mikey, same. I

15:12

would never, ever do this. As

15:15

a fat getting stuck in small

15:17

spaces is a constant fear.

15:19

It just seems like an insane thing to me.

15:21

Although, like, I realize that is the thing that

15:24

people do. But you also have to like, I

15:26

guess just be OK with like, hey, a lot

15:28

of people die doing this, but I'm going to

15:30

do it anyway. Like, yeah, that's fine. Have fun

15:32

with that. It's not for me. That's why I

15:34

don't skydive. I can't. Yes, I did

15:37

love this. Those scares did get

15:39

me especially. But also the tenseness

15:41

and the claustrophobia of being lost.

15:43

Yeah, absolutely terrifying. It could have

15:46

been a whole movie about just

15:48

being stuck in small spaces. And

15:51

I would have still been terrified. But then

15:53

there's the added layer of now some of

15:55

the graphics don't fully hold up. But

15:57

a lot of the practical parts. Really

16:00

do yeah, man, and so you give it

16:02

a pass I would say overall this looks

16:04

pretty damn good for as old as it

16:06

is there's only two scenes really where

16:08

it doesn't hold up Yeah, that's in

16:10

the very end. Yeah. Yeah, it's the

16:12

bats and the very end where she kind of

16:14

leaves Juno and we see a lot of them

16:16

and I think it's just because to have a

16:18

lot of them That's where the lighting and stuff

16:20

gets tricky well because that's actually just

16:23

like two dudes total in a suit

16:25

and they just like Have them come

16:27

in from different sections and then literally

16:29

piece to that footage together You

16:31

could sort of see where it's like cut

16:33

out to accommodate that in that shot It's

16:36

that and then there's one of the

16:38

pieces they lit differently. Yeah, and that's

16:40

the one that sticks out It's always

16:42

the lighting that gives it away, but that's the only

16:44

one that in the bats other than that I would

16:46

say it holds up it does it really

16:48

does. I think how I want to die

16:51

what this subject We were talking about Paige,

16:53

you know, you know how we want to die. Yeah, I was there No,

16:56

you guys talk about graphics. I was thinking about something

16:58

else. We know I was thinking that if I want

17:00

to die I want to do like a last stand

17:02

against a group of creatures like this

17:04

I think it's you know my dying wish so

17:06

just Mikey 2025

17:08

in Australia against a pack of roofs.

17:10

I mean that's next year which is

17:12

not how I want to go out

17:15

but like I Mean

17:17

not just like pessimistic thinking that's

17:19

not good enough. I want like

17:22

cave people zombies Vampires

17:24

something, you know, which one

17:26

could you pick like if you were picking

17:28

between vampires or zombies? Probably zombies

17:30

are they slow zombies or fast zombies? I think

17:33

it doesn't matter cuz you're still getting bit to death

17:35

where at least the vampires is gonna drain you I

17:37

feel and you Get glamored in the process. It's kind

17:39

of sexy and there's a chance you don't die and

17:41

you're like a mortal. Yeah, potentially There's more

17:43

of an upside with vampire than zombie

17:46

not me man. I'm blowing myself up

17:48

in this in this battle But also

17:50

what if it's like Alexander Skarsgard turning

17:52

you then like maybe it's a real

17:54

good time page I'm not a hundred

17:56

percent sure that Alexander Skarsgard couldn't

17:58

turn me I think

18:00

he could, I think he burned both men. I

18:03

mean yeah, he's a handsome man. Only

18:06

Paige could sexualize my death wish. Well,

18:08

you know what? You brought up vampires. It's on you. I

18:11

don't think I did. You did. You said

18:13

vampires are zombies. Let's check the tape. K

18:17

people. It would be these K

18:19

people. Honestly, okay. These K people

18:22

are sort of zombie-ish, right? Because

18:24

they eat flesh. They like- They just

18:26

eat meat. I think they're just carnivores and

18:28

we're an animal to them. Oh no,

18:30

I mean absolutely that's what they are, but because

18:32

of that they operate like zombies with my point.

18:35

Mikey, are we going to talk about how

18:37

you think that Jacob Elordi from Saltburn looks

18:40

like both the Green Goblin and these K

18:42

people discuss? Okay, I think it's more

18:44

like Green Goblin. Okay, so Green Goblin from

18:46

the first Spider-Man, you know, what's his face?

18:49

What is happening? Why are we talking- he is

18:51

not in this movie, nor is this the

18:53

Saltburn episode. He looks like

18:55

the K's people. Because

18:58

I don't have an outlet for this. And

19:00

I also don't have an outlet for this. We're going to have

19:02

to have some Saltburn talk for just a bit. Jacob

19:05

Elordi looks like the

19:07

Green Goblin costume, not William Defoe. I don't even know

19:09

who you guys are talking about. You guys were talking

19:11

about this last night in our texts, and

19:13

I was like, who the fuck is this? I'm

19:16

just trying to finish up my work mate and go to bed. Okay, hold

19:18

on, hold on. I'm going to copy an image. Okay.

19:22

I'm going to put it in the chat. Mikey made a

19:24

side by side for me last night. Share

19:26

it on your screen so I can see it that way.

19:28

Okay, hold on. Then I've got to do a little

19:30

bit of work for a second. Oh my God, Mikey, imagine.

19:33

A little bit of work. While

19:35

you're looking that up, whose bathwater would

19:38

you rather drink? The Green Goblin or

19:40

Doc Ock? Doc Ock,

19:42

obviously. He's a normal adult except for

19:44

those four things that control his mind.

19:47

I'm sorry, your immediate justification

19:49

was so bonkers. There's

19:51

nothing bonkers about it, Paige. It's just science.

19:54

It's science. There's

19:56

none of bonkers about it, Paige. Okay,

20:00

a Spider-Man, Toby McGuire, Andrew Garfield,

20:03

or Tom Holland, whose bath water

20:05

do you drink? That's a harder one,

20:07

I think. That's

20:09

a harder one! I feel like it

20:11

comes down to which spider you respect

20:13

the most. Okay, Todd, are you almost ready

20:15

for this? I am not the one who

20:17

we are waiting on right now. That's why he's

20:19

asking you. He's like, are you ready? Because the

20:21

waiting time is done. I'm absolutely ready.

20:23

Yes, let's go. Goddamn

20:26

it. They do. He

20:28

does look like the Green Goblin.

20:30

Okay, I mean I can't. Once

20:33

you see it, you can't unsee it. I still

20:35

don't understand why we're talking about him on

20:37

this episode, but he does look

20:40

like the Green Goblin. What are you smiling? Look

20:42

at that. Oh wow,

20:44

okay. Right? You can't unsee it.

20:46

It's because the cave people have sort of

20:48

the same face shape as the Green Goblin.

20:50

Therefore, he kind of looks like the cave

20:52

people, but he'd be way too big for

20:54

such a small cave. I got this

20:57

rounded hair, it's even more so. Rounded

20:59

hair. Now I know why your hair looks

21:01

like that. You walk into Supercuts and be

21:04

like, hey, can you round my hair? Round

21:06

this hair out. Round this

21:08

hair out for me? Oh shit, he's hosting SNL

21:10

this year? I mean,

21:12

you see the resemblance, right? You can't

21:14

escape it. Oh no, you are right.

21:16

I am on your side 100%. But

21:20

I can also see how he's sort of

21:22

handsome-ish too. I feel like this

21:24

is the one who is in the cave that

21:26

like all the cave honeys want to be with.

21:28

You know what I'm saying? Maybe. I

21:30

mean, he's 6'5". He's like real, real tall. And

21:32

I feel like it's like too tall. Like he

21:35

should have stopped while he was ahead. I have

21:37

a question. How bad do you

21:39

think he is at basketball to have not

21:41

gone into that at 6'5"? You know what

21:43

I'm saying? I mean, that's what I'm saying,

21:45

right? Like why you be that tall if

21:47

you're an underless? I don't know. They're not.

21:49

No, they're men and women. Yeah, you can see it.

21:51

I think there's a lady one, right? There

21:54

is one lady one that we see, yes. But

21:56

Mikey, for you, this whole movie is a

21:58

PSA on not the straight line. Distracting the

22:00

driver is what you're saying because it begins

22:02

and ends with that car ride She murdered

22:04

her family by nagging and that's all I

22:06

have to say about that. Yeah, what

22:09

are you even talking about? The

22:11

truth, Paige! The man is telling

22:13

the truth! No, that's terrible. I mean

22:15

I will say she does distract him and

22:17

he looks over but it's his fault because

22:19

he looks over like way too long Like

22:22

he's looking at her for like 15

22:24

full-ass seconds before that car hits them

22:27

Yeah, but we haven't even gotten there yet. They're

22:29

river rafting. They get to the end

22:31

of the raft area and

22:34

Paul and Jessica Sarah's husband

22:37

and daughter are waiting They

22:39

decide to get in the car to drive back to the

22:41

hotel and the other two women are going to meet them

22:43

later Juno conspicuously is not

22:46

really talking to them or involving

22:48

herself in the situation No, they

22:50

do a great job of showing

22:52

not telling that Juno is having an

22:54

affair with the man That's about to die in the

22:57

way that we described earlier. But at this point you

22:59

really don't know like you have no idea Yeah, but

23:01

as they're driving she says yeah You see you

23:03

seem a bit distant and I

23:06

do really love the way this car crash

23:08

is filmed Because we as

23:10

the audience see that oncoming car and

23:13

you're just like, oh no, no, no,

23:15

no No, and then the car crash

23:17

happens. Yeah, it's a great scene for

23:19

dread. I think it's so well

23:21

done I didn't do an amazing job with it, too

23:23

It's pretty graphic though because it's like yeah brass

23:26

poles like go through a

23:28

copper pipe copper pipes But yeah, like

23:30

they go right through the husband and then

23:32

hit the daughter like it's pretty

23:34

graphic Yeah, it's wild and we cut to what

23:36

we will find out is kind of a recurring

23:39

nightmare Although in this case kind of a premonition

23:41

because the shots we're seeing are actually the ones

23:43

from the cave true I do remember when the

23:45

husband and daughter died. I was like, oh shit I

23:47

remember this movie because up until that point I was

23:49

like, hmm I know we've seen this

23:51

but I don't really remember and then when that happened, I was

23:53

like, oh, yeah Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

23:55

Fuck cuz this is a scary one.

23:58

Yeah I wrote

24:00

that in my notes. This will be scary. It

24:02

is very scary. But in this

24:04

nightmare slash premonition, she

24:07

blows out the last candle, bathing

24:09

everything in darkness. She wakes up

24:11

screaming for Jessie, her daughter. We

24:13

get a great cool contrezume effect

24:16

as she runs through darkening

24:18

hospital hallways that are empty

24:21

until she finds her friend Beth and

24:23

runs to her arms and Beth breaks

24:25

the unfortunate news to her that her

24:27

daughter Jessie is dead. And

24:30

she ends up sobbing on the

24:32

floor of a now very, very

24:34

crowded hospital. We cut to the

24:36

Appalachians or Appalachians, if you're feeling

24:38

fancy. If you're feeling accurate.

24:41

What state park is it, Paige?

24:43

Oh, Chituga. I have gone down the

24:46

Chituga River. I know, you

24:48

told us about this when we

24:50

did. Deliverance, deliverance. So

24:53

I guess that's the river. This is the

24:55

cave next to the Deliverance Cave, next to

24:57

the Deliverance River. Allegedly. Allegedly is right because

24:59

if I remember my fun facts right, like

25:01

all of the outdoor stuff was filmed in

25:03

Scotland. No, Deliverance went down the Chituga. The

25:06

Chituga. I know, I'm just saying where

25:08

the movie is actually filmed was in

25:10

Scotland. This movie, it is set in

25:12

North Carolina from the point where after

25:14

the hospital scenes, they're in North Carolina.

25:17

Yeah. But all those shots were shot

25:19

in, I think Scotland and North Carolina

25:21

is called that because they did not secede

25:24

from the union. Their state broke apart because

25:26

the Northern part did not want to join

25:28

the Confederacy. Yes, but also none of this

25:30

was shot there. I don't think- That's what

25:32

we're saying, Mikey. None of this was shot

25:34

even in the US. Oh, I know, I

25:37

know. They just say it's in North Carolina.

25:39

It's surprising to me, you're still struggling to

25:41

understand. Well, they're not speaking American, I know

25:43

that. Okay, so Chituga

25:45

National Park doesn't exist. It's

25:48

referencing the Chituga River, which is a real

25:50

river, loosely referenced. It's a

25:52

reference to Deliverance, basically, in this

25:55

film. But all the

25:57

cave stuff was shot at Plainwood

25:59

Studios. talk about that more in fun

26:01

facts. Yeah. And pretty much none of the

26:03

exteriors were shot anywhere in America.

26:05

Most of them were shot in the UK.

26:08

Yeah. Anywho, back to this movie. So Beth

26:10

and Sarah are driving and we get kind

26:12

of a brief conversation between them where we

26:14

reveal that it's a year later and

26:17

Sarah is still struggling in her grief.

26:19

Cause like who fucking wouldn't be there's

26:21

a fucking traumatic accident. And Beth is

26:23

basically like, Hey, you don't have to

26:25

do this. You know, we can turn

26:27

around or we can just stay in town. And

26:29

Sarah goes, well, then you'll have to tell Juno who we

26:31

know was one of their other friends and

26:33

they kind of complained that she's always dragging them

26:35

out to these places and she came to Scotland

26:37

last year, but left pretty quickly. And

26:40

at this point in the movie, I feel

26:42

like this movie gives hardcore ritual vibe. It

26:44

does. And in a lot of ways, kind

26:46

of like a companion piece, I would say,

26:49

I w there's similar movies in a very

26:51

good way. I do agree. They're similar. I

26:53

think the ritual is more an exploration of

26:55

like survivors' guilt and what that does to

26:57

people, whereas this one I think is a

26:59

little bit different, although it is still like

27:01

grief heavy. Yeah. And I think that's why

27:03

they have similar vibes. But they come

27:05

up to an old barn where they

27:07

run into Becca and Sam. Now here's

27:10

what's interesting. There's a shot early on

27:12

with them in the barn, but it's

27:14

shot from the outside looking in, even

27:16

though all of our characters are inside

27:18

the barn, very much the

27:20

feeling of a voyeur watching them. Yeah.

27:22

Which I think is a really early

27:25

giveaway that they're going to be kind

27:27

of hunted throughout this movie, because even

27:29

though they, we don't see a creature

27:31

till an hour in, the creatures have

27:33

seen them. Yes. And know about their

27:36

presence the whole time. Yeah. We kind of go

27:38

around the horn in this room where

27:40

all of the girls have kind of collected talking about

27:42

how, you know, who each one of them are. This

27:44

is going to sound terrible. None of it's really that

27:47

important, except to find out that Becca

27:49

is going to be, it's either Becca or

27:51

Sam. I think it might be Sam. It's

27:53

one of the blondes that's not Sarah. One

27:55

of the blondes that's not Sarah. I think

27:57

it might be Sam is going to be

27:59

a dog. at some point. Yeah, she's going

28:01

to med school currently. Yeah, it's the

28:04

one who's in The Witcher. She runs Aratusa,

28:06

you get it. Anyway. If you ever met

28:08

somebody who's in med school, it's like CrossFit. They're

28:10

gonna bring it up in this conversation, you know what I'm

28:12

saying? The reason they bring it up here in

28:14

the movie is because we need to establish that

28:17

she's going to be able to set that leg

28:19

later. That's one of the only things you need

28:21

to learn from this scene is that she could

28:23

potentially help in a medical situation and

28:26

that Holly doesn't think the hype they're

28:28

going to go on is hard enough

28:30

and is in things for the thrill

28:33

because that will cause some of the

28:35

issues later in the film. Yeah, and she's new

28:37

to the group too, right? Like they don't know

28:39

her. Yeah, Holly's the newest. Okay,

28:41

let's talk about Holly for a second.

28:44

We kind of infer that Sarah has

28:46

been absent from some of these gatherings

28:48

for a while. Yeah. Because

28:50

obviously from what happened. Yeah, I

28:52

mean her husband died, her husband and daughter died

28:54

in a car wreck, you know, like she's going through

28:56

a lot. I think that's what

28:58

they reference with Juno saying she was

29:00

in Scotland last year but left quickly. They

29:03

were in Scotland when the accident happened. The

29:06

man she was cheating on. Yeah, but I'm not

29:08

getting, that's not what I'm trying to get at all. Okay. So

29:10

Blondie, Sarah has not been present

29:12

in their activities group for like

29:14

a year. Right. And

29:17

so I think a lot of these women

29:19

are meant to kind of be replacements for

29:21

her, but none of them quite replace her.

29:25

So I think Holly is meant to be

29:27

one of those replacements and Juno

29:29

kind of got all of them together

29:31

as a way to kind of bring

29:33

Sarah back into the fold. And

29:35

so I think that's how we end up kind of with this group

29:37

that some of them know each other, some of them don't. Because

29:40

clearly Sarah knows Becca and Sam. Yeah.

29:42

They must have been part of the

29:44

group or whatever, but Holly's the new

29:46

one and Holly's the one that's made

29:48

a lot of the traveling plans with

29:50

Juno, which I think typically would have

29:52

been Sarah's job. Yeah, I don't know.

29:55

I mean, I don't know what the nature of

29:57

their relationship was between Juno and Sam outside of

29:59

that they were friends. and that Juno

30:01

had slept with Sam's husband. The only reason

30:03

I say that is because there's a

30:05

couple conversations where Juno is

30:07

talking about what they're going to do

30:09

and Sam, or Sarah, is

30:12

like, we always file a flight plan, we always

30:14

do this. So Sarah would have

30:16

been their logistics person. And Holly even

30:18

is, but we will find out that

30:20

Juno did not trust Holly to tell

30:22

her all the information she needed to

30:24

complete those tasks. I think Juno did that

30:26

on purpose because I don't think they would have agreed to

30:28

go. But also I think Sarah was

30:30

the yin to the yang

30:33

where she would have strong armed Juno into giving up

30:35

that information. Yeah, that is very

30:37

much kind of the relationship I got. By

30:39

the way, I did some research. The

30:41

character that was in The Witcher, her

30:43

name in this movie is Sam. Okay,

30:45

so it is Sam. It is Sam. Yeah, her

30:47

real name is Myanna Burning. Right, right, right. But

30:49

she plays the character Sam in this movie. Or

30:52

Tasea in The Witcher. That's probably where most

30:54

people will recognize her now, for sure, yeah. It

30:56

took me half the movie. I was like, I

30:58

know I've seen this little English girl before. And

31:00

she's probably not English. She's probably something else. But

31:02

yeah, I was like, I've seen her. I've seen

31:04

her in some sort of period garb. Anyway. It

31:07

was a metaphor. Is

31:09

it? That's why

31:11

I started laughing when she said that. But yeah,

31:13

perfect, nailed it. You're in this cave with me!

31:17

What is the traditional period garb for women? Well,

31:19

it depends culturally on where you are,

31:22

but also with your comfort level. Anyway,

31:25

we won't get into it.

31:27

So we cut to them sleeping

31:29

that night to get ready for

31:32

leaving the next morning for their

31:34

cave climbing, diving, spelunking expedition. Yeah.

31:36

And Sarah has another nightmare about her daughter.

31:39

We wake up and Juno goes for a

31:41

run and then wakes everybody up. Everybody

31:43

gets into the trucks, but not before

31:46

Sarah takes pills. I mean, I assumed

31:48

she was seeing professional help

31:50

for her trauma and grief and

31:53

maybe had been prescribed something to

31:55

help with depression. Maybe

31:57

it was a good place to introduce one.

32:00

of the other series. Okay. There is a

32:02

theory, a reading that some people have of

32:04

this movie that none of the monsters are

32:06

real and she has hallucinated all of them

32:08

and potentially kills all her friends. I

32:11

don't see it, but that's cool. I just thought

32:13

this was like a PRN anxiety med. I

32:17

didn't even think this was a real, like a, like a

32:19

real prescription. I thought it was a real prescription. I mean

32:21

like an everyday thing. I thought it was like a PRN

32:23

like I'm having a bad night, I thought it was the

32:25

scene or whatever for like anxiety. We

32:27

never get a closeup of the label so

32:29

we don't fully know. Right. But that is

32:31

a reading of the film that people have.

32:33

I read some interviews with the

32:35

director where he's like, yeah, you could definitely read

32:38

the movie that way. And he's like, but I

32:40

mostly meant it this way. I was like, all

32:42

right. Anyway, so they get

32:44

to their parking point, I

32:46

would say. And conspicuously Juno

32:49

leaves the guidebook behind. Yeah.

32:51

They start their hike. They

32:54

walk past a real gross dead deer that

32:56

I think the implication is that the cave

32:58

goblins have eaten it. It wasn't eight

33:00

on enough for me. I think it was just

33:02

a random deer. I checked. I made sure to

33:04

look closely this time. It may have just been

33:06

like a foreshadowing of things to come. Yeah,

33:08

it could be. Yeah. Now have either

33:10

of you watched the show, Hellier? Is

33:12

it on stars? I only watch things

33:15

on stars page. Yeah. Fuck you.

33:17

If that was true, you would

33:19

have watched a lot of good things this year. Anyway, no,

33:22

it was on Amazon prime and there was a first

33:25

season and it is technically a

33:27

documentary, I guess. And then

33:29

there is a second season that I didn't

33:31

find quite as interesting, but it's a group

33:33

of people that go to investigate a cryptid

33:36

that lives in a cave system and it's

33:38

supposed to be goblins, but it is in

33:40

Appalachia. It's like in this area. And

33:43

there are a handful of

33:45

local mythology surrounding essentially

33:47

cave goblins. That does

33:49

not surprise me, especially like in the

33:51

Appalachian Mountains. People go like missing when

33:53

they go spelunking, like not super often,

33:55

but it happens, right? Yeah. So if you're

33:57

super into this movie, I guess maybe check hellier.

34:01

So they come up on this random

34:03

hole and Holly is just like I'm

34:05

gonna jump down there like immediately like

34:07

she's caution to the wind she's down.

34:09

But they set up they rappel down

34:11

into this hole and toss flares this

34:14

is where the bats come out and scare

34:16

Sarah. And they don't look great. Yeah no

34:18

they don't look great. But I think it's

34:20

fine it's like it's passable it's fine. Yeah

34:22

they're walking around with flashlights trying to find

34:24

the next area to go through in the

34:27

cave but this is also where Sarah sees

34:29

that there's water dripping and potentially maybe

34:31

sees a monster like yeah we're

34:33

not a hundred percent but there's

34:36

something around. Yeah I think that

34:38

the movie does a really good job of

34:40

like clueing you in that there's something down

34:42

there way before they see it. Yeah. Because

34:44

we're like maybe 15-20 minutes into the movie

34:46

at this point and we don't see them

34:48

for like another good 40 minutes. Yeah

34:50

but they find the next passage

34:52

they start squeezing through and it's

34:55

very very narrow. This is where

34:57

I would have noped the fuck out yeah I'd

34:59

be like this first thing was cool let's picnic.

35:01

Yeah like call in a helicopter or

35:03

something to get me out of here

35:05

but not that. But this is where

35:08

Sarah brings up she's like this isn't

35:10

how I imagined it this isn't how

35:12

the guidebook described it. Right well

35:14

because you know it's not. Well we'll get

35:16

to it yeah. Yeah yeah okay okay okay okay

35:18

we'll table it yeah yeah. Also that guidebook

35:20

if you look at it is like yellow

35:23

it's like caving for dummies kind of looking

35:25

like. Yeah. Spelunken

35:27

for dumkins. But

35:30

they climb through everyone gets through

35:32

except Sarah. Sarah gets stuck it's

35:34

a tight squeeze and just as

35:36

Juno is coming back to pull

35:38

her out a cave-in happens trapping

35:41

them on the other side but

35:43

also they lose their second bag

35:45

of rope which will be important

35:47

later. Yeah it's so crazy to

35:49

me that like they think that they

35:51

have a chance to live after that

35:53

cave-in happens. Oh well I mean here's

35:56

the thing they do. I know but like I

35:58

would immediately be like oh we're fucked. Yeah,

36:00

because there's just so much ground that just smushed

36:02

the ground that we were gonna ground through Yeah,

36:04

so like now we can't ground out of here

36:07

like we're screwed. That's what I would have thought

36:09

Yeah, but they all make it into

36:11

kind of a bigger cavern and this is where

36:13

they're like, okay Well, where does the guidebook say

36:15

to go next because we have to get out

36:18

like now now It's like hey our fun cave

36:20

time is over. Yeah now. It's time to get

36:22

out I just can't believe that this group

36:24

of women would not ask for directions

36:26

and they lost their way. They had no sense of

36:29

direction I just can't

36:31

believe it's almost worse than that Mikey like

36:33

Juno Didn't bring the guidebook because

36:36

she knows already that they're not going where

36:38

the guidebook is gonna be a help to

36:40

them at all There's they're not

36:42

even in the right case No, my theory

36:44

is that Juno was like I killed

36:46

your husband and daughter now. I've come

36:48

back for you. No, Mikey Because

36:52

you didn't even know that the accent was gonna

36:55

happen until it happened and We'll

36:57

talk about her thoughts because she just talked about it

36:59

later She lured all these people out to a

37:01

cave where no one else knew where they would be

37:03

that is that is fair Although I don't think

37:06

she did it to kill them. I think she

37:08

did it to try and reinvigorate her Relationship

37:10

with Sarah. Oh, I I

37:13

think her reasoning was actually much more self-serving

37:15

than that I think she wanted to be

37:17

credited with finding a new tunnel that's you

37:20

or whatever She knew she

37:22

needed her friends to help her so she just

37:24

like lied to them Yeah to get them to

37:26

die for her like it's a crazy

37:29

thing to do Yeah, it is cuz

37:31

she reveals in in this scene She's like well I

37:33

don't have the book and they're like why wouldn't you

37:35

bring the book and she's like because it doesn't matter

37:37

cuz we're not In that cave. Yeah, oopsie daisy. Yeah,

37:40

everybody's super excited about it. Yeah, so

37:42

now they have to find a way out

37:44

So they find another tunnel to the next portion

37:47

of the cave, but unfortunately it is

37:49

basically a cliff Yeah, they can see

37:51

that there's an area on the other

37:53

side So they throw a flare across

37:55

and then they get Becca to climb

37:57

across the ceiling of this cave. Yeah, man

38:00

and put anchors, no thank you.

38:02

It's so badass though because she is

38:04

rock climbing, free soloing more or less, although

38:06

she is roped in and she's putting in

38:08

things to anchor her, so like she can

38:10

rest because they're holding the other end of

38:12

the rope, but still that is so hard

38:15

to do what she's doing. And she does

38:17

make it all the way across, they throw

38:19

her another line, she feeds it through and

38:21

then they can just sort of like, you

38:23

know, clip it on a carabiner and rappel

38:25

over, not rappel, but like pull themselves over

38:28

as someone holds one end of the rope and the other

38:30

end of the rope is anchored in where that lady just

38:32

climbed over for, right? Right, right, right. So

38:34

like she makes it way easy for

38:36

everyone else to climb over and then

38:38

Juno, because she can't leave any rope

38:40

behind, has to let them take that

38:42

guide rope that Becca worked so hard

38:44

to put up and now Juno has

38:46

to do the exact same thing in

38:48

reverse so they don't have to

38:50

leave any rope behind. Like that is,

38:53

what they do there is like, that's

38:55

not just regular rock climbing shit, that

38:57

is like super next level rock climbing

38:59

shit. Yeah, but before Juno climbs back

39:01

over, cause Sarah's gonna go across and

39:03

Juno's gonna do the final climb. And

39:05

Sarah basically says, was this about me

39:07

or about you? Basically like,

39:09

was this really to get me back on this

39:12

trip or were you self-serving? And she's like, well,

39:14

no one's been here, I thought we could name

39:16

it after us and she's like, after me or

39:18

after you? Exactly. So Sarah

39:21

gets across and then as

39:23

Juno is climbing, Becca clipped

39:25

the last carabiner into an

39:27

old climbing pick. It's actually

39:29

the first evidence that anyone's ever

39:31

been there, right? Because it is supposed to be

39:33

this brand new cave system. So this

39:35

is another one of those things that they do

39:37

a great job of peppering in to like let

39:39

you know like some of the lore or some

39:41

of the things that have happened, but don't tell

39:43

you about it. They don't find like a manuscript

39:45

or anything. It's just like an old school, like

39:47

100 year old anchor that

39:51

they were using to climb across or whatever.

39:53

Right, now that anchor does kind of

39:55

pull out. Yeah, gives way. Juno falls, she

39:57

does have to kind of climb back up,

39:59

but. Everyone makes across a if

40:01

they get into the next set

40:03

of chambers where they see cave

40:05

drawings and realize that the mountain

40:07

depicts the cave is having two

40:09

entrances yes which means that they're

40:11

potentially is a way out of

40:13

the question is who drew those

40:16

things? Where did they go? I

40:18

was gonna ask. You who do you

40:20

think drew those. I think an

40:22

older indigenous group of people

40:24

drew those and that those

40:26

are their bones in the

40:28

cave. Very. Acceptable Answer: I have

40:30

a dirty joke written for this parts

40:32

of or my gave. You would lose

40:34

your job because I think this movie

40:37

pauses that of you want and deserve

40:39

pig and one came out the sting

40:41

of the cave All I got no

40:43

nail. I hate it but I also

40:46

love so I'm guilty Zuloaga Yeah you

40:48

fail the massages test. Wow wow saw

40:50

the all that What? That was all

40:52

Okay to be a progressive like me

40:55

you have to be able to perform

40:57

the test. And

40:59

you guys won't let me start a cold know.

41:01

So I okay pays I have. The you're reading

41:04

is perfectly understandable. Mikey Years is nonsense while I'm

41:06

here for it. I. Thought it was

41:08

either the people who came and with

41:10

that old school thing right to let

41:13

them know hey, there's another way out

41:15

or whatever. or it was like the

41:17

people who have then silly of all

41:20

ensue. Whatever these gay people or. I

41:22

can accept that too, Because they don't really

41:24

have eyes. They do have eyes. but they

41:26

they don't really work. they can't really see

41:28

Yes. So I do think over the overtime

41:31

they just lost that so that their ancestors

41:33

might have had that. Yeah and it looks

41:35

like a drawings from like thousands and thousands

41:37

and thousands of years ago. That's the reason

41:39

I thought that. Yeah, but I think it

41:41

takes loan or him alone. Evolution expert by

41:43

like another evolution as either Adam out those

41:45

things are. they're very much different. Than

41:48

people. They are yeah because even their

41:50

ears are like that. years and stuff. So I

41:52

just don't know. I know I would have had

41:54

to have been like a million years, like it

41:56

would have to have been a very long time.

41:58

Well what? I don't get. was I thought

42:00

H.G. Wells' Time Machine Man would come

42:03

and rescue them from these Morlocks. Hahaha.

42:05

Okay. But can we talk

42:08

about a prequel that focuses

42:10

on a tribe in this

42:12

area encountering these beings? I

42:14

mean, that would be cool.

42:17

Right? Sort of like Prey

42:19

but way more old school, right?

42:21

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, they try to

42:23

find the next tunnel with a lighter

42:25

because they're looking for airflow. Holly thinks

42:28

she finds it and she just goes

42:30

running basically through the tunnel. Yeah. Even

42:32

though it is wet and slippery, she

42:34

slips and falls, compound fracture, it's real

42:36

fucked up looking. Ugh. But as they're

42:39

trying to reset her leg, which is

42:41

brutal. It is. Sarah finds an old

42:43

metal helmet. Yeah. The broken leg

42:45

grossed me out, man. It was pretty graphic and

42:47

I hated it. It's pretty gross. Holly shouldn't have

42:49

sprayed like that in the dark, that was very

42:52

dangerous. I mean, she thought she saw daylight. They

42:54

actually do explain it later that it's phosphorus in

42:56

the rock or whatever. I don't know. They explained

42:58

it away in a way that where I, someone

43:01

who doesn't know anything about climbing, was like, okay,

43:03

cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense. Oh,

43:05

rock magic. Right? Is this what

43:08

people like mean when they collect

43:10

crystals? Rock magic? Yes, it

43:12

is. It has to be. Rock magic. I want

43:14

to point out that Mikey just answered a

43:16

call from his neighbor and is now just

43:18

shooting the shit with his neighbor. He's just

43:20

hanging out. While we're recording, he can't hear

43:23

us though. He's talking to his neighbor. Yeah,

43:25

sorry. Hey Mikey, sorry to interrupt the call

43:27

with your neighbor just now while

43:29

we were recording. Sorry about that. Look, I cooked

43:31

chili and gave them some. And he's like, I

43:33

just want to call you and tell you that

43:35

that chili was fire. I love that chili. And

43:37

I was like, oh man, that's really... If any

43:39

said, do you have your TV on? Turn it

43:41

to channel four. The new episode of Chicago PD

43:43

has them forming a partnership between mental health counselors

43:45

and the police in the TV show. We thought

43:47

of you. We wanted to, we want you to

43:49

come watch it. You know what?

43:52

That's pretty cool that they thought of me.

43:54

You're a good neighbor, Mikey. You're like State

43:56

Farm. Yeah. Because you're there. They

43:58

call me Mike with... The Christmas I did

44:01

this neighborhood. With

44:03

a lot like ah like that.

44:05

I was glad they like my chile. I was nervous is my

44:07

for else my first time cooking. At. All you gave

44:09

in Chile! Ah. I made seven

44:11

courts. My. He goes a little bit

44:14

overboard. what a nests during snow season.

44:18

I owe the comic two thirds of the

44:20

recipe and I was like this is way

44:22

more the to start with other as if

44:24

he did users look up like army personnel

44:26

recipes. For like mess hall time? Like

44:28

what? is? That a shit load

44:31

of silly bro. you're one dude. My

44:33

family's chili recipe in our family cookbook?

44:35

Zola explains. Okay, yeah, okay, that makes

44:37

sense. Is it the one for the restaurant?

44:39

Ah is is pat been passed down the

44:41

duty restaurant. Know and know if for yeah I

44:43

mean but like mikey comes from a pretty big

44:45

family like it makes sense that they might make

44:48

seven court is Julie and of heat on it

44:50

for a week or whatever but like he is

44:52

but one man it's okay some in i gave

44:54

them the much neighbors and and like I've I've

44:56

got a bunch of leftovers all freeze it if

44:58

it doesn't last as tomorrow I'll be a laugh

45:00

me through the snow storm I i did have

45:02

a great idea you just made a lot of

45:04

it as on sad but it's as author that

45:06

you shared and they like did a great. Anyway,

45:08

let's go back movie or yeah yeah we're

45:10

we're Honestly, I'm almost half a little more

45:13

The have Wicked Moon. Yeah, we should

45:15

find some response time to go. Like

45:17

Humor land. Lots of Holly did. Not

45:20

know but we kept the fitness I. Love.

45:25

My brother and. I

45:34

do not have. Dozens

45:36

And then I do you Like I say,

45:39

you're bad at all events like that show.

45:41

That said, would I be. We should. Keep

45:44

you telling us to go to humor land folly?

45:46

Humor landed issue. Of

45:50

humor where she did. I'm gonna

45:52

ruin one a pain. Fun facts:

45:54

go for it. As the only

45:56

Boehner we see in this film.

46:00

Are are. Up. To

46:04

the will regard reading of you know.

46:07

You thought it was anti abortion, but that's not

46:09

what Diablo Cody met at all. To.

46:11

Do love that movie! Also the

46:13

reference to our Jennifer's Body episode

46:15

where view all sorts of other

46:18

drugs and then and like sea

46:20

ice age is it a relationship

46:22

with Holly. oh I thought that

46:24

to I was gonna. Say. I think

46:26

she'd bought. technically. I think she is. I think

46:28

so. Her: She has to control people. So.

46:31

That is something that she uses to

46:33

control people. That the way I read

46:35

all that she's narcissistic I think in

46:37

a way I think so to get

46:40

around like as they referred a Holly

46:42

as. Her protege? I believe.

46:44

Yes, Yeah, so. This one little time

46:46

together. the runway, the like a lotta romantics up between

46:48

of I saw a sort of like read it that

46:50

way on some level. Of. Holly short

46:52

hair Know I feel.

46:54

Like you absolutely could read it that

46:57

way Tire I had similar suspicion but

46:59

I think you are right. I think

47:01

you know needs to be in charge

47:03

that we see her a take charge

47:05

readily which is you know not necessarily

47:07

a bad thing. But then we see

47:09

her wrestle to keep. Control. Even

47:11

when she may be is not in the best

47:13

place to keep it. I agree. I. Also

47:15

like Sarah does something in the

47:18

cabin seem that is similar when

47:20

like ever was talking about sarah

47:22

either that they start talking about

47:24

themselves. we sort of like learn

47:26

more about the women and see

47:28

brings up her husband and child

47:30

like. One Yeah. And then that's the whole

47:32

love each. Day saying we're like we learned

47:34

that her husband uses they love each day.

47:36

Yeah, wouldn't like loyally changes the

47:38

viable of the room because. It was

47:41

like that. really fun, silly like welcoming all these

47:43

women that we haven't seen each other a long

47:45

time and we're learning lot about him in the

47:47

just like but my dad has been once used

47:49

to tell me that he should lobbied stay and

47:51

everyone's like oh shit that was a. Real

47:53

downer. There's also an and I think

47:55

I may have skipped over at my

47:57

notes at eight I don't remember exactly,

47:59

but. There's one time where they talk

48:01

about the accident. And Juno says

48:04

we all lost something in that

48:06

accident. Yeah, right, Which

48:08

again, is a great

48:10

foreshadowing. That was my clue that Juno

48:13

was that one of them at least with

48:15

having an affair with the husband. Because.

48:17

I think for best she means we

48:19

lost our fun free wheeling friends that

48:22

was part of this friend group that

48:24

didn't have this. let's call it a

48:26

terrible to call emotional baggage but that

48:28

is what they mean. yeah you know

48:30

but would you know was actually saying

48:32

is like I also lost someone I

48:34

love for. Both of those readings are

48:37

Barkers because you also had a kid,

48:39

so there's no way she didn't have

48:41

a more complicated life and have been

48:43

in judo with having it. Yeah, right.

48:45

What are you trying to a or on the with her. Saying like

48:47

my frame was mostly broken and as which one

48:49

ago and girl says whether whatever lies. You not

48:52

saying it to her that she saying

48:54

we all lost something in the accident

48:56

but not completely being obvious about what

48:58

she means that she also lost her

49:00

husband because there was an affair. Yeah,

49:02

I mean I knows where she met. Oh I

49:04

thought she said that because her friend knows. I

49:06

think best isn't officially known to

49:09

see of the necklace. Blights

49:11

may have known and the movies

49:13

a little vague. As your that's third friend

49:15

though, you're going to put your head as deep in

49:17

the sand as you possibly tag of A. That is

49:19

something I do not want to find out after the

49:21

fact. Who Discussion time? Let's.

49:24

Say one of you was sleeping with Jake

49:26

as and Jake dies in the of the

49:28

other? One of you tell me want? To

49:30

take a guess as to which one of us would

49:32

be sleeping with jerk first stuff that is as one

49:35

of the about their own plots of land. Yeah

49:37

I was a if you are the

49:39

third wheel in that situation but the

49:41

person that the cheating was happening around

49:43

dies. Do tell them or do you

49:45

like let dead dogs live. I love.

49:47

This was exiting like hard

49:49

to answer cause the surviving

49:51

suiting midterm still deserves to

49:53

know. What do you want

49:55

to disparage? They're dead loved

49:57

ones memory. Right leg there.

50:00

There's really no resolution after telling

50:02

them that for the person who

50:04

was left, Alive right? Or and yes,

50:06

the kid the she did lose a

50:08

kid to but I feel like that's

50:10

more personal the her losing the kid

50:12

doesn't impact June or Bath necessarily other

50:14

than of economic Sarah Sad. So.

50:16

In this do you disparage the dead

50:18

person by telling the truth. Okay

50:20

so if if pod was sleeping with judge

50:22

of I didn't know for sure but I

50:24

had suspicions and and jake died I would

50:26

never know for sure. So why bring it up

50:29

I don't want to know I would ever

50:31

as Todd I would berries and but. What

50:33

if you found out and were like oh

50:35

I am sure now. I guess I need

50:37

to find a new group of friends because this

50:39

is too complicated. an average mighty that sounds like

50:41

cowardice and I would probably do the same thing

50:43

because I don't know that it's worth it. but

50:45

it would be hard for me to be around

50:47

that and know that and not. I don't know

50:49

it would be hard. I don't think there is

50:51

a right answer to. That it can. I

50:54

say that Like let's say I'm

50:56

receiving that information. I feel like

50:58

maybe it hurts. But. Also, I'm

51:00

like he's dead. So what does

51:02

it matter at this point? Exactly

51:04

right? Especially if it's like a

51:06

while since the death knell. Like

51:08

if you told me that what

51:10

my dad, grandmother had an affair

51:13

with a family friend I'd be

51:15

like wow, she had a wildlife

51:17

like it does it impact either.

51:19

But like you're not married to

51:21

your grandmother of a light you

51:23

know I you know as ah.

51:26

Now I know, but I'm just like

51:28

there's something like that. I'm like why

51:30

can't fix it or do anything about

51:32

it and continuing to think about it,

51:34

dwell on it might just make me

51:36

feel we're just so it. appears i would

51:38

depend on have a person's doing like if

51:40

they're not doing well i yandle thing i

51:43

would tell him at that time and wire

51:45

you know and then to do they have

51:47

suspicions like and it also what's the other

51:49

person doing what are they being like ah

51:51

alec there's a lot of factors there because

51:53

you're right it's harder like would that help

51:55

at all or not help at all a

51:57

ruling them again like if they're making peace

51:59

with the, do I want, do I set it back?

52:01

I don't know. Then again,

52:03

if there was a letter I found or something and

52:06

I read it and it told me that Jake was

52:08

sleeping with Todd, I would just hand you that letter

52:10

and be like, I found this letter. And

52:12

then that would be. Whatever I choose

52:14

to do with it is my business at

52:16

that point. Right, that's fair. One of my

52:18

favorite party down episodes is where they do

52:20

a funeral and the mistress and her son

52:22

show up at the funeral and they spend

52:24

the whole time trying to hide it and

52:27

then the widow finds out and is like,

52:29

oh, we had an open marriage. It's actually

52:31

nice to meet you. And then the reveal

52:33

was that there's multiple other mistresses at this

52:35

funeral. So sometimes it might be

52:37

something like that because you don't know what goes on behind

52:40

closed doors. I love that Mikey pretty

52:42

much just like, PS I loved you

52:44

through a letter from Jake that admits

52:46

to his infidelity with me. And

52:49

listen, I'm here for it. Except it

52:51

turned out his mom wrote it. I

52:54

probably tell, I probably tell, I would probably

52:56

tell. I probably try not to, but then.

52:58

I do think you gotta pick, you gotta

53:00

call your spot. You gotta like give them

53:02

time to grieve enough to where they can

53:04

handle that information though. So I put it

53:06

on a cookie cake. That's

53:09

the best way to say it. Like I

53:11

think it's like a cookie plus moment, right?

53:13

It's called a message cookie. Yeah. Like

53:16

they don't discriminate what message you put on

53:18

it. I don't think they're allowed to. Like

53:20

you could make Fudgy the whale say anything.

53:23

Jake slept with Todd before he died.

53:25

I just found out, I'm sorry. I

53:29

just touched a page crying. I'm

53:31

like eating a cookie cake. Still eating

53:33

the cake. I'm not gonna let it

53:35

go away. Butter and frosting. I mean,

53:37

it's a sad but delicious cookie cake.

53:40

Boom. Yeah.

53:43

I think if I was gonna remain being really

53:45

close friends with someone, I would have to tell

53:47

them. I, now that I'm processing it, like that

53:49

would bother me too bad. It would be hard

53:51

to remain close to them and not tell them,

53:53

yeah. What's better, a cookie cake or an ice

53:55

cream cake? I will go ice cream cake. I

53:57

would do a cookie cake because, and I'll just tell

53:59

you. because you take the time element out, I

54:02

don't know what I'm gonna have to do

54:04

to get up the nerve to do that.

54:06

And I don't want the message to melt,

54:08

and then I would have to explain it

54:10

on my own. Oh my God, so Mikey

54:12

is gonna deliver an extremely stale cookie cake

54:14

to you, and you won't

54:16

be able to eat it. No,

54:19

not stale. I

54:22

mean, I don't know how long you guys think

54:24

ice cream cake is good for, but that shit

54:26

starts melting. Because you got it six months ago,

54:28

and you've been bulking on taking it over. I

54:30

wouldn't do six months, but like an ice cream cake,

54:32

you got like 20 minutes tops. Have

54:34

you never had an ice cream cake? No,

54:36

you do, they could prove it. You have

54:39

to defrost them for like an hour

54:41

anyway. Look, you guys, I'm not gonna put

54:43

it on something. I'm not gonna get the Kroger

54:45

Carnival Cheat Vic ice cream. No, no, no, Baskin

54:47

Robin's like a good one. Yeah, you gotta go

54:49

to Baskin Robin's, get the good shit, yeah, or

54:51

Ben and Jerry's. You gotta order the one that

54:53

looks like a log. And then under it, if

54:56

you could write, sorry Todd, fuck

54:58

your dead husband, love Mikey. He

55:00

was alive at the time. Yeah,

55:02

yeah, yeah. Before he was alive

55:04

at the time. Let's make it clear

55:06

that I only had sex with Jake

55:08

while he was still alive. Yeah,

55:10

you didn't like salt burn his grave, it's

55:12

fine. I think cookie cake, they're cheaper, they're

55:15

lighter. You don't want this thrown at you if

55:17

it is thrown at you. If it's not offered

55:19

for you to have. Why'd I get the one

55:21

with nuts? If

55:24

Paige does not offer me a slice, it's not

55:26

the end of the world. I love ice cream

55:28

cake, I would be sad about

55:30

that. Oh, I get it, yeah. I

55:33

do love that Mikey comes over with an ice

55:35

cream cake that says the saddest sentence ever written.

55:37

And then he's like, hey, when you're done reading

55:39

that, can you cut me off a slice before

55:41

I go? I just want a rose. You can be

55:43

one of the corners. Like one of

55:45

the corners with the most frosting on it. Can

55:47

I have one of the roses? Yeah. What's

55:53

the craziest thing you've ever seen written on a

55:55

cake? Happy birthday? I don't think I've seen anything

55:57

crazy written on a cake. You need to get

55:59

out more. I did some weird

56:01

cookie cake stuff for COVID at our

56:03

company. I

56:06

am not at all surprised by that by what

56:08

you've just been saying. I hope we make it

56:11

out soon. Stuff like that. I

56:13

hope we make it out soon. Like

56:16

during lockdown? I

56:18

forgot, Mikey Day promoted you to

56:20

chief morale officer during COVID. I

56:22

got promoted to program manager like two weeks before

56:25

tornado and I'm dealing with the disaster tornado. The

56:27

health department was like, we have to shut, we're

56:29

going to shut down the whole country in like

56:31

three weeks. I was like, what? That's crazy.

56:34

And then cut to six weeks

56:36

later, I'm like in the office

56:38

just PPE'd up and I'm like, oh man,

56:40

everyone's working from home. And like, I'm here

56:42

with this cookie cake that says, hope we

56:45

live. I

56:48

do love that Mikey told us earlier

56:50

in this story that he bought the cookie cake

56:52

and he bought it on a day that no

56:54

one but him was at the office. Everyone

56:57

was remote. So he could eat it alone. No,

56:59

no, no, no, no, no. We kept open all

57:02

of our treatment beds. We had our whole crisis

57:04

team. We had plenty of people there. Okay. We're

57:07

going door to door with a cookie cake that says,

57:09

hope we live. We were

57:11

in the crisis center and I was

57:13

just like, oh, that'd be nice. Don't

57:15

do it. Let's get cake. Weird morale

57:17

boosting stuff. I think Mikey is just

57:19

now realizing what he did. I also

57:22

made HR change the company t-shirt

57:24

policy that six months. So

57:26

I could finally wear my God can beat up

57:28

your God t-shirts. No, no, no, no. I did

57:30

one. It was a pandemic at the disco and

57:32

it was the clip art of like John Travolta

57:35

doing the disco. The disco ball was a COVID

57:37

virus. Hell

57:39

yeah. And it was too soon. It

57:41

was before all the like science deniers like

57:44

gained all the ground. So like the cookie

57:46

cake that says too soon question mark. And

57:50

it was like a really cool design and it got out

57:52

of my department. So it was like, I had like 74

57:54

orders and then it like went to other departments and then

57:56

they're like, that is not appropriate. I had to do 74.

58:00

No refunds and then they formed

58:02

a committee that approves all t-shirts. I

58:07

love that this story includes Mikey designing

58:09

merch, selling 77 prints of it, and

58:13

then having to refund all of that. That's

58:15

insane. He shows up to the meeting with

58:17

like disco shirt. Yes, no on a

58:19

cookie cake. You know, I

58:21

learned, I learned a lot the last few years, uh, as

58:24

I was in management, uh,

58:26

and messaging on shirts and apparel

58:28

and cookies. And cakes and

58:30

you know, safe is more. You know what

58:32

I'm saying? Like safe is more. I think

58:35

what we've learned is if you've got something

58:37

sad to say, say it with a cookie

58:39

cake, you know, famous motto. Let

58:43

me tell you what funny has gotten me

58:45

in the corporate world. Nothing.

58:47

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58:49

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we're back to Holly going

1:00:12

to Humorland with her

1:00:14

broken humor. Ha ha ha. We

1:00:17

found our way there on a path paved

1:00:19

with cookie cakes. We did get there. I

1:00:21

was getting too sad. I wanted a little bit of

1:00:23

levity. I'm just picturing her like, here, I

1:00:25

can help. And then pulling out a cookie cake. This

1:00:27

is sorry, your leg hurts. Get well soon. Anyway,

1:00:32

Sarah finds that metal helmet and she

1:00:34

kind of goes looking around into basically

1:00:36

the next area of the cave. And

1:00:39

she hears like a low, low growl,

1:00:43

shines her flashlight around. And it's the first time we see

1:00:45

one of the creatures and it runs away. But they don't

1:00:47

see them yet. Well, no, Sarah has seen

1:00:49

one. No one believes her. She runs

1:00:51

back and Juno's like, you didn't see

1:00:54

shit. Well, I think it's because they're already sort

1:00:56

of panicking because the shift has happened and they

1:00:58

don't know if there's a way out, right? And

1:01:00

Juno is just like trying to keep everyone shit

1:01:02

together because she knows that they stay in one

1:01:04

location. They're eventually just gonna die, right? So they've

1:01:06

got to keep moving and try and find a

1:01:08

way out. Or if she knows that they start

1:01:10

thinking too much, they're gonna blame her for their

1:01:12

deaths. Well, I mean, it is

1:01:14

her fault. So yeah. But if

1:01:17

she can keep them moving and get them out, then

1:01:19

it's gonna be like that time Juno tried

1:01:21

to kill everybody, but everyone survived. But

1:01:24

now it's like shit's fucked because

1:01:26

one of them's hands is

1:01:28

all cut up from the rope burn thing. That would

1:01:30

be brutal. And now we're down also

1:01:32

a humorous bone. She went

1:01:34

down the tunnel to humorous land.

1:01:37

And now things are beyond, we're

1:01:39

gonna be okay eventually. Right.

1:01:41

So they start moving, they have to move Holly

1:01:43

because that's her only hope of getting out of

1:01:45

the cave. And this is where they

1:01:48

kind of enter one of the rooms of flares. They

1:01:50

see a bunch of bones of dead animals. We will

1:01:52

find out it's probably dead people. But

1:01:54

Holly has her camera and they turn on

1:01:56

the infrared and this is the infamous

1:01:59

shot of... them kind of scanning the

1:02:01

room and then right behind is

1:02:03

one of the monsters who screeches, bites

1:02:06

the neck, Holly is dead like

1:02:08

instantly just like lunch. It's

1:02:10

so fast how this goes down. Like it's

1:02:13

so crazy. Yeah. It's so scary

1:02:15

man. Yeah. And everyone

1:02:17

scatters. Of course. Like if

1:02:19

you saw that or honestly most of them probably

1:02:21

didn't see much because they couldn't

1:02:23

see through the infrared what we could see. They

1:02:25

heard the screech. Yeah. And everyone

1:02:28

just scattered. Yes. Even

1:02:30

scarier I think because you have no idea what's

1:02:32

going on. Yeah. Because now you're

1:02:34

alone. Yes. Screech down there.

1:02:36

That would be scary. He's my least favorite save by the way.

1:02:38

RIP screech. Anyway,

1:02:42

maybe it is screech. I don't know

1:02:44

when he died. I don't know what

1:02:46

happens to us after we die. Maybe

1:02:48

you become a cave monster. Only

1:02:50

if you were a cave monster and you're before

1:02:52

time. Principal

1:02:55

Belvedere definitely hit on a lot

1:02:57

of girls I knew when he came to our college town to visit.

1:02:59

Oh yeah. No he yeah. I've

1:03:01

heard that. Yeah. Anyway,

1:03:04

they scatter and they end up in various places.

1:03:06

So like Becca and Sam end up together kind

1:03:08

of hold up in a room with

1:03:10

a ton of bones and they kind of just stay very

1:03:12

still. Sarah falls and hits her head. Then

1:03:15

Juno is trying to fight the

1:03:17

monsters. Beth comes up

1:03:19

behind her. Juno swings and accidentally

1:03:21

gets Beth right through the

1:03:24

throat. It's brutal. It's so sad.

1:03:26

And Beth is. Definitely

1:03:28

going to die. Yeah. There's no

1:03:30

saving her. No saving her. She's going

1:03:32

to die. And we sort of litigated this before

1:03:34

but just like to re-pipe it like I don't

1:03:36

think there's anything Juno could have done differently and

1:03:38

I don't think the other girl did anything wrong.

1:03:40

It's just like Juno was so

1:03:42

amped up from literally fighting off two

1:03:45

monsters. Yeah. And thought another

1:03:47

one was coming up on her because it's dark.

1:03:49

I don't know. I just felt so bad for

1:03:51

both of them in that moment. Well she didn't

1:03:53

announce her presence. Yeah but I mean in that

1:03:55

moment would you think to do it? No. Absolutely

1:03:58

not. And even if she did

1:04:00

would you? You hear it with all the

1:04:03

screeching and scuttling? Probably not. Like, probably not.

1:04:05

But she basically is like, don't leave me. And

1:04:08

Juno's like, um, but I'm gonna

1:04:10

go. Yeah, no, I'm not gonna stay.

1:04:13

Right. But as she falls to the ground,

1:04:15

as she's saying like, don't leave me, she

1:04:17

grabs Juno's necklace and it pulls it off

1:04:19

of her and now she has Juno's necklace.

1:04:21

Oh, come on, man. I'm not gonna stay

1:04:24

with every person I accidentally kill until they're

1:04:26

dead. I mean, that's like a little much.

1:04:28

You gotta get back in the car and keep driving or

1:04:31

else they're gonna charge you with that hit and run. He's

1:04:33

not gonna bring him a quesadilla, that's for sure. Well, he

1:04:35

doesn't even bring live ladies quesadillas, so.

1:04:38

Exactly. Just cookie cakes that say, thank

1:04:40

you for letting me sex you. In

1:04:43

frost. He just keeps a bunch of

1:04:45

them in his fridge and like hands them to them as

1:04:47

they walk out the door. Oh, the next

1:04:49

time I'm dating someone, I'm gonna get them a cookie cake

1:04:51

with that message after I have sex with them. Thank

1:04:54

you for the penis touch. It

1:04:57

might be the last thing that we ever do, but

1:04:59

like, I think it's worth it. Lonnie, the

1:05:02

comedic premise was it's a negative, sad

1:05:04

message on the cake. You don't have

1:05:06

to do that. You can make it

1:05:08

a silly one, right? Right. Like,

1:05:11

thank you for the penis touch. It doesn't

1:05:13

have to say you have HPV or something.

1:05:15

Like it could just be like something silly.

1:05:17

I do love the thank you for the penis touch, but I

1:05:19

think you need to get multiples of them and keep them in

1:05:21

the fridge so when she sees you take one out, there's like

1:05:23

a stack of three others in there. Oh

1:05:26

shit, yes, I love it. Don't forget

1:05:28

your t-shirt and tote bag. I'll

1:05:30

get it and I'll put her first name as the first

1:05:32

word, but I'll get a different name crossed out first if

1:05:34

the first came apart. Janelle,

1:05:38

no, Brittany. I

1:05:44

love it. If they don't laugh at that, they might not be the

1:05:47

ones for me. Oh, hilarious. Just

1:05:50

me and Brittany eating cookie cake. Eating

1:05:53

cookie cake. You're going to take

1:05:55

a picture of the cake and send it to your girlfriend?

1:05:57

Oh, you know they would, but it wouldn't be a positive

1:05:59

kind of message. I would be dying!

1:06:01

I would be so funny! Anyway,

1:06:04

we cut to Becca and Sam who

1:06:06

are kind of huddled together with the

1:06:09

camera and they watch as essentially

1:06:11

the monsters feed on

1:06:13

Holly. They watch as the monsters

1:06:15

feed on Holly and this is where

1:06:18

they discovered if they're quiet, the

1:06:20

monsters don't notice them. But they learn

1:06:22

that in a very tense way because

1:06:24

they're like lying down in a crack

1:06:26

in the floor and this cave monster

1:06:29

crawls above them and it's pretty tense.

1:06:32

From here on out, which is only about 30

1:06:34

minutes of movie, it's pretty

1:06:36

tense and the only time

1:06:38

they release that tension is because they're about

1:06:41

to build you up to another very scary

1:06:43

jump scare. Right, and so the

1:06:45

creatures are literally crawling over them because

1:06:47

they don't know they're there and

1:06:49

the watch that Sam set in the

1:06:52

car goes off. And

1:06:55

they suddenly have to run. I love the struggle

1:06:57

for her to take the watch off as it's

1:06:59

crawling back to them because it hears the

1:07:01

sound. It's like the worst game of Marco

1:07:03

Polo. But she takes off the watch and

1:07:05

throws it so it goes past them to

1:07:07

the watch. And it stops and then he

1:07:09

hits it with his nose and it beeps

1:07:11

again. I was like, okay? It was just

1:07:13

like a weird scene. I don't know, it

1:07:16

was funny. I think it's easy to set

1:07:18

traps for creatures that are attracted to sound.

1:07:20

This is what bothered me about the movies,

1:07:22

about the creatures that are attracted

1:07:25

to sound. Quiet mouse. A quiet

1:07:27

place. Quiet please. Quiet mouse, yeah.

1:07:29

If you know that, why wouldn't you just

1:07:32

have a speaker, a ton of guns. I

1:07:34

mean, but they're armored, whatever. But that always

1:07:36

bothered me. I think they do a pretty

1:07:38

good job of explaining it in that specific

1:07:40

movie, but you're right. There are

1:07:42

ways to trick these cave monsters and I

1:07:45

do think Sam learning that in this moment,

1:07:47

sort of maybe doesn't give them an upper

1:07:49

hand but helps level the playing field some.

1:07:51

Which I like because this is a bunch

1:07:53

of women in a cave. It's not like

1:07:55

fucking Predator down here where it's like elite

1:07:58

special forces. Right. But these women are like... fighting

1:08:00

back like Sarah and Juno at the end

1:08:03

are like full on badass mode and I

1:08:05

love that yeah oh amazing yeah it's awesome

1:08:07

I mean we saw Juno a little bit

1:08:09

when she's killed one of the cave trolls

1:08:11

that was taking her friends right and then

1:08:13

spun around and killed her friends well

1:08:15

and we see it in this next scene

1:08:17

too because while while Becca and Sam are

1:08:20

kind of hiding Juno is not hiding Juno

1:08:22

is literally out for blood killing everyone that

1:08:24

comes at her and screaming as she does

1:08:26

it yeah to the point where Sam even

1:08:28

says like they're like oh my god she's

1:08:31

gonna bring down the whole place on her

1:08:33

making that noise and Sam is

1:08:35

like as long as it's not my head yeah

1:08:37

basically like as long as they kill her not

1:08:39

me which I fully get me too I

1:08:42

mean especially because Juno is the one that tricked

1:08:44

them into coming into a cave but they had

1:08:46

no business being in yep meanwhile Sarah

1:08:48

wakes up in a pile

1:08:51

of bloody corpses yeah and she

1:08:53

kind of takes Holly's leg bone

1:08:55

and some of her clothes to

1:08:57

make a torch oh wait did you

1:08:59

talk about them bringing out to get to it

1:09:01

well because she can't take Holly's humorous bone until

1:09:03

they bring Holly in and they eat her we

1:09:06

kind of talked about that it's all

1:09:08

cut in between but yes they brought

1:09:10

Holly in they ate her but then

1:09:12

Sarah wakes up yeah to them basically

1:09:14

eating Holly why she's seeing all of

1:09:16

that through the camera right so she's

1:09:18

like so that's Becca and Sam

1:09:20

watch it through the camera but they

1:09:22

can't see Sarah so that's what makes

1:09:25

Becca and Sam stay still but Sarah

1:09:27

is waking up to this with

1:09:29

Holly's already eaten at that point

1:09:32

basically I got you okay yeah but that's

1:09:34

how she like harvest the bone and she's

1:09:36

gonna make a torch and Becca and Sam

1:09:38

kind of make a run for it because

1:09:40

they're trying to kind of get away because

1:09:43

Juno is making noise and Juno kind of

1:09:45

comes up behind them fighting the

1:09:47

monsters and just snaps one's neck it's

1:09:50

a badass man she is pretty impressive

1:09:52

I mean fucking badass yeah

1:09:54

it's amazing but now that

1:09:56

they have a dead one Sam who's the one who's gonna

1:09:59

be a doctor is like, okay, what are

1:10:01

we fighting based on their eyes? They can't

1:10:03

really see well, but they they hunt with

1:10:05

sound like a bat and they've evolved somehow

1:10:07

to live down here in the dark. They

1:10:10

maybe look human, but maybe not. Who knows?

1:10:12

But in the melee, Juno thinks she's

1:10:15

found a way out because the previous

1:10:17

climbers left arrows and marks their route.

1:10:19

So if we follow the reverse of

1:10:21

their route, it should leave us out.

1:10:23

Yeah. So at this point, Sarah, having

1:10:26

made the torch, here's Beth

1:10:28

because Beth is still alive.

1:10:30

She's still bleeding out. Sarah uncovers

1:10:32

her. Beth gives her the

1:10:34

necklace because Sarah says I heard

1:10:36

Juno calling for me. And Beth is like, do

1:10:39

not trust her. Yeah. Here's the necklace, which

1:10:41

of course reveals that Juno was having an affair

1:10:43

with her husband because the necklace says

1:10:45

love each day, which is what her

1:10:48

husband used to say. Right. And

1:10:50

at this point, Beth is like, just don't

1:10:52

leave me here. Find your own way out,

1:10:54

but don't leave me here. And

1:10:56

Sarah's like, please, I don't think I can just

1:10:58

come with me. And she's like, no, I'm going

1:11:00

to die. But like, please don't leave me here

1:11:03

to live through this. So she

1:11:05

takes a rock and smashes her

1:11:07

head. But as that's happening, she

1:11:09

gets tackled. She flips the

1:11:11

monster over and stomps it to death. Yeah,

1:11:14

which is wild. There is a bad ass

1:11:16

to man. This is a brutal scene, though, because

1:11:18

she, like, I think does a very kind thing

1:11:20

for her friend, but kills her friend. Yes.

1:11:22

And that would be like so hard to

1:11:25

do. I don't think I could kill

1:11:27

either of you when she is saying,

1:11:29

kill me or, you know, please, please

1:11:31

kill me. And Sarah is saying in

1:11:33

return, I can't do that. I cannot

1:11:35

do that. Like, I understood that I

1:11:37

could if I if I thought that you

1:11:39

living would feel worse. Oh, and it definitely

1:11:41

would. Like she does her a kindness. Yeah.

1:11:43

Oh, that would be so hard to do,

1:11:46

though. In this situation, if either of you

1:11:48

were in best position, I would kill you

1:11:50

because I would consider it a kindness. I

1:11:52

would want you to. Yeah, like I do think

1:11:54

it's a kindness. Yeah, Todd stubs his toe and

1:11:57

needs me to do that. I'll do it. No,

1:11:59

Mike, hang on. Hang on, hang on, nothing like

1:12:01

that low level, right? Okay, but I need

1:12:03

us to rewind to our Dog Soldiers episode

1:12:05

where the guy had his intestines hanging out

1:12:07

and I was like, please shoot me if

1:12:09

this happens. And Mikey was like, no, I'm

1:12:11

gonna drag you through the rest of the

1:12:14

mission. I'm like, absolutely not, Jake and I

1:12:16

have a pack. And then we asked Jake

1:12:18

and Jake was like, absolutely, I would shoot

1:12:20

you because I love you. And I was

1:12:22

like, yeah, that's right. And now Mikey's like,

1:12:24

no, I would definitely shoot people, not drag

1:12:26

them through a Dog Soldiers mission. No, I mean,

1:12:29

I'd probably keep you guys alive. No. Because I'm

1:12:31

mean. But I give you a cookie cake about

1:12:33

it. Sorry, I didn't kill

1:12:35

you in the cave. Sorry, I

1:12:38

kept you alive. Be like, where did

1:12:40

you find a cookie cake in the cave? You

1:12:42

haven't left? I brought them. You brought

1:12:45

this from home? Oh, I found a way out

1:12:47

hours ago. Let

1:12:49

me be salty, I didn't kill you when you asked

1:12:51

me to cake. So after she has

1:12:53

stomped that one to death, she notices there's another

1:12:56

one crawling around and this is the lady one

1:12:58

crawling around. And it's one of the only ones

1:13:00

that has hair. Well, because it's the lady one,

1:13:02

right? I mean, anyone could have hair, but I

1:13:05

feel like they were trying to make it a

1:13:07

lady one. I think so too. She goes and

1:13:09

runs, she falls into a giant puddle of blood

1:13:11

in Viscera and who should also come out of

1:13:13

that same puddle, the lady one, and they have

1:13:16

a slap fight, which I love. It was actually,

1:13:18

it was great. Yeah. And it

1:13:20

shot so scary because she falls in and

1:13:22

then cuts to a different shot of like

1:13:25

just the bloody pool, for lack of a

1:13:27

better term. And you see bubble. And

1:13:29

then just slight bubble. Bubble, bubble, bubble. And

1:13:31

then her head comes up and then it's

1:13:33

all one shot. And then it starts to

1:13:35

pull back and she starts to move over.

1:13:37

And then something that has always been in

1:13:40

the shot who we didn't realize was the

1:13:42

lady, the lady troll lady, like attacks her.

1:13:44

And that was so scary because there are

1:13:46

so many things in there that looked like

1:13:48

just rock, but one of those rocks was

1:13:50

her. And she was waiting for,

1:13:52

yeah, it was so scary. It's so well done.

1:13:55

This movie is so well done. After she slaps

1:13:57

her a couple of times, she reaches and finds a

1:13:59

sharp bone and... stabs her through the

1:14:01

eye, killing her. It's so graphic.

1:14:03

However, that's not the only one.

1:14:05

There's another one, so she stays

1:14:07

still on the rock as it

1:14:09

crawls over her. Yeah, because that's

1:14:12

the more masculine-looking cave-trolled thing, and

1:14:14

it walks over, puts its hand

1:14:16

on her head even, not realizing

1:14:19

that's her. Right. Ugh,

1:14:21

that's so scary. Yep, but she

1:14:23

takes another rock, smashes his

1:14:25

head in with the torch,

1:14:27

and then stands up and

1:14:29

screams, just this like primal

1:14:31

cry. It's fucking great. Which

1:14:33

is fucking great. Yeah. Now,

1:14:36

this scene is part of the other

1:14:38

reading of the film, that is, she

1:14:41

might be, like all of the monsters

1:14:43

might be in her head, because in

1:14:45

the cut from this scene, so she

1:14:47

screams, and it's a very interesting edited

1:14:50

cut, because it cuts to a monster

1:14:53

screech where the others are.

1:14:56

Yeah. And the question

1:14:58

is, is that her or not,

1:15:00

right? Has she reemerged as this new

1:15:02

being metaphorically, which is how I would

1:15:04

read the movie, or was it always

1:15:06

her that they are running from discuss

1:15:09

or not? But like, just something to think

1:15:11

about. I mean, I definitely don't read it

1:15:14

that way, but I can see why you would,

1:15:16

yeah. Right. That's just not what I saw when

1:15:18

I saw it, but I can see how you got there. I personally

1:15:20

read it more metaphorically, but yeah. Yeah,

1:15:22

yeah, yeah. Here's how I read it. I think

1:15:24

she was put in this situation where it was

1:15:26

either fight for your life or die, and

1:15:29

her getting bathed in blood and fighting

1:15:31

is the surprise that she wants to

1:15:33

live and fight for life, and

1:15:35

then she comes out of that reborn as a

1:15:38

new person that has gone beyond her grief. I

1:15:40

agree. Which is why she is sort of reborn

1:15:42

in this moment. She literally is baptized in blood

1:15:44

and comes out. I agree completely. I think it

1:15:46

is her realizing that she is not

1:15:49

gonna let the grief of losing her husband

1:15:51

and daughter kill her, which is a good metaphor

1:15:53

for trauma, because it does change you

1:15:55

and you come out and you're a different person on

1:15:57

the other side. Absolutely it does, yeah. I think that

1:15:59

metaphor. And that's why I like

1:16:01

that she gets so that's why I like the

1:16:04

ending that she comes out me too But I

1:16:06

think they should cut it right after she breaches

1:16:08

out of the cave and that one shot and

1:16:10

then cut it even that I think a shot

1:16:12

to look like a bird it is yeah Yeah,

1:16:15

and then but the movie should end right there

1:16:17

like that's credit That's where it should

1:16:19

go right to the picture of all the ladies

1:16:21

they took right before they went into the cave

1:16:23

and then credit Yes, yes, are just her running

1:16:25

and then credit sure yeah, and I guess I

1:16:27

guess well We're talking about it now. We might

1:16:30

as well talk about it now I don't mind

1:16:32

the other ending because I feel like even with

1:16:34

this because this is how I read this scene

1:16:36

of Her deciding she wants to live and truly

1:16:38

fight I do feel like

1:16:41

even with the other ending she has

1:16:43

fought to the point that she physically

1:16:45

can fight and Even though

1:16:47

she will lose she

1:16:49

at least finds peace Like

1:16:51

reuniting with her daughter in death

1:16:54

really yes. Yeah I don't

1:16:56

have a problem with that, but I

1:16:58

also don't have a problem with the

1:17:00

other ending so you know But anyway,

1:17:02

so the rest of them run and

1:17:04

they're following the arrows, but they get

1:17:06

to Essentially another cliff drop-off

1:17:08

where they have to climb yeah, so

1:17:10

sam goes to try and climb But

1:17:12

they don't have enough rope and as

1:17:14

she looks up one of the cave

1:17:16

people is climbing above her It slashes

1:17:19

her throat. She stabs it so it

1:17:21

dies. Well. It doesn't quite die It

1:17:23

falls down into and what we hear is

1:17:25

water below them Although we don't really know

1:17:27

that because it's so dark But now

1:17:29

we do because that body made a

1:17:32

splash right right, but I mean not

1:17:34

before killing her like it flashed her

1:17:36

throat So like she like falls over

1:17:38

dead and like is laying back bleeding

1:17:40

out of her neck Yeah, like looking at

1:17:43

her friends who are like fucked right

1:17:45

in this moment And then right then it's

1:17:47

juno and one other lady and that lady

1:17:49

it's juno and becca Yeah, becca gets dragged

1:17:52

down the tunnel and it like rips her

1:17:54

fingernails and stuff. Oh, yeah, and like they

1:17:56

eat her Immediately, so she's

1:17:59

like yeah So

1:18:01

it's just Juno and Juno doesn't yet fully

1:18:03

know if Sarah is still alive. So, but

1:18:05

those the only two really left, right? Those

1:18:07

are the only two left and Juno jumps and lands in the

1:18:09

water. Yeah. Where

1:18:11

that guy is still alive, but she grabs that knife

1:18:13

and stabs him a couple more times and swims up.

1:18:16

She takes it out of him to kill him

1:18:19

with it. It's nuts. Right. But she

1:18:21

climbs out and Sarah pulls her up again, covered

1:18:23

in blood, full badass. And she's like, Becca, no.

1:18:25

And she says, Beth didn't make it. And she

1:18:27

says, you saw her die? Because

1:18:31

this is Sarah trying to confirm what Beth

1:18:33

told her, which was that Juno killed her.

1:18:35

I think this is Juno's one

1:18:37

opportunity to live. Yeah. And

1:18:40

she does not tell her the truth. Right. Or

1:18:42

at least the full truth. Right. So

1:18:44

they work to make it out, but they end

1:18:46

up in a room surrounded by cave people with

1:18:48

flares. Yeah. And essentially

1:18:50

they have fought as many of them as they

1:18:52

can, but there's too many. They are overpowered. And

1:18:56

so Sarah spikes Juno in

1:18:59

the leg with her pick

1:19:01

and reveals the necklace and

1:19:03

leaves Juno to die. Basically

1:19:06

is like, now I

1:19:08

get a head start because you're bait. Yeah.

1:19:11

And this scene up to this

1:19:13

point, and honestly, this point is pretty badass too,

1:19:15

but it's badass. Yeah. It is

1:19:17

like both of them, they have humorous torches,

1:19:19

you know, and they're like, one's holding a

1:19:21

pickaxe, one's holding a knife, and

1:19:24

they are just like Tomb Raider

1:19:26

wrecking these cave trolls or whatever.

1:19:28

Yes. And then there is

1:19:31

a lull in the action because the first

1:19:33

wave is dead, and that's when Sarah wounds

1:19:35

Juno so she can leave more or less.

1:19:38

She uses that bait to at least continue

1:19:40

down the cave and she falls down a

1:19:43

hole. She slips and falls into a bone yard. Yeah,

1:19:45

yeah, yeah. And it's revealed that that

1:19:47

is right by the exit, and she

1:19:50

just runs up to the exit. And,

1:19:52

yep, climbs up to daylight, very cool shot

1:19:54

as she's climbing up. It's beautiful because

1:19:56

it's so dark. I like this movie, yeah.

1:19:58

That like all you... see is the

1:20:01

light coming from where the cave

1:20:03

entrance is and it's illuminating

1:20:05

the path up on bones to

1:20:07

the exit and at the bottom

1:20:10

all you see is bone. It's

1:20:12

amazingly shot it's beautiful. But she

1:20:14

runs out and I do love these

1:20:16

next couple shots because she's running through

1:20:18

the forest just screaming at the top

1:20:20

of her lungs she's just like ahhhh!

1:20:22

I know! It's awesome! Whenever she

1:20:24

gets to the truck she puts her face

1:20:26

on the truck like she would never be

1:20:29

able to say the word truck again in

1:20:31

her life like she just seems so happy

1:20:33

to be on the truck and then also

1:20:35

screaming then gets in the car and starts

1:20:37

it and drives away like it's complex

1:20:40

grief. Yeah and drives a

1:20:42

distance but then pulls off

1:20:44

the road sobbing a truck honks at her and

1:20:46

she like barfs out the window a little bit

1:20:48

because she's just like oh my god I'm out

1:20:51

and turns and Juno's

1:20:53

ghost is there. Yeah.

1:20:55

And that's the movie! Unless

1:20:58

you're watching the UK version in which

1:21:00

case she wakes up to find out

1:21:02

that she is still in the cave

1:21:04

but now hallucinates that her daughter is

1:21:06

there blowing out that one last birthday

1:21:08

candle they blow it out into the

1:21:10

darkness and that's

1:21:12

the movie! So I've been seeing this movie

1:21:15

and I talked about the movie what'd you

1:21:17

guys think about the descent? Very good! Really

1:21:19

really well done! I mean it's got to

1:21:21

be top ten in the last 10-15 years.

1:21:24

I think it's actually older than that. I mean it's

1:21:26

it's almost 20 years yeah it'll be 20 years and two

1:21:29

it's 23 years old yeah. God. I know

1:21:31

but I mean I agree I think it's

1:21:34

one of the better horror movies that we've

1:21:36

done for this podcast like I think it's

1:21:38

a really well done but very scary movie.

1:21:40

I think it's one of the better modern

1:21:42

horror films. Yeah yeah I agree but man

1:21:44

is it scary like I don't really even

1:21:46

know this guy's name although I looked it

1:21:48

up his name is Neil Marshall the guy

1:21:51

who wrote and directed this and also

1:21:53

did dog soldiers and dog soldiers

1:21:55

yeah and doomsday like he's really

1:21:58

good he's gonna ton of stuff This

1:22:00

is early for him. Yeah, so the last movie

1:22:02

he wrote was the layer before that it was the

1:22:04

reckoning that was from 2020 Yeah,

1:22:06

he wrote the Centurion which was not

1:22:09

a not a horror movie But

1:22:11

it had Michael Fassbender and it's like Roman

1:22:13

soldiers. It was it's flat, but it's not

1:22:15

great Anyway, we don't talk about it. But

1:22:18

so page you have any fun facts for us. I

1:22:20

do well here it is with your phone

1:22:22

But baby fun facts now

1:22:24

according to one of the commentary

1:22:27

tracks on the special edition DVD

1:22:29

The actress who played Holly had a full

1:22:32

life cast done and a replica made so

1:22:34

that they could like rip her body apart

1:22:36

Of course. Yeah, and after they finished filming

1:22:38

she got to keep the head and according

1:22:41

to her one time She put it in

1:22:43

her mom's freezer as a joke, which I

1:22:45

think is great. That is not

1:22:47

fun. That's brutal, man Man,

1:22:50

that's a funny joke. That's amazing

1:22:54

So almost all of the cave sequences

1:22:56

were filmed at Pinewood Studios They made

1:22:58

21 separate cave sets for

1:23:00

the film. That's a lot. That's great.

1:23:02

That's a lot Some of

1:23:04

them big some of them small and they were

1:23:07

reused with different camera angles set dressing and lighting

1:23:09

To make them look like an endless collection

1:23:11

of tunnels and caverns But in

1:23:13

real life just a handful of walls, etc

1:23:16

Now they often limited the lighting of the

1:23:18

sets to light sources that the protagonist brought

1:23:21

with them like flashlights helmet lights

1:23:23

and light sticks But that means

1:23:25

that depending on how big the set is and depending

1:23:27

on where those lights are Sometimes that changes the lighting

1:23:29

which is why in that one shot toward the end

1:23:31

where there's a bunch of cave people Some

1:23:34

sets of them look different because the lighting was different on

1:23:36

that day Yeah Part of the reason they did this because

1:23:38

they thought it would be too dangerous to film in an

1:23:40

actual cave and it would have Time-consuming so

1:23:42

they just built one instead. I

1:23:44

think they made the right choice a hundred percent. They

1:23:46

absolutely did They would not have been able to

1:23:49

make it so beautiful without that right without it

1:23:51

being more controlled And you don't have it. You

1:23:53

don't have a controlled environment inside a cave, right?

1:23:56

Now production on this movie was

1:23:58

fast-tracked because they were trying to released before

1:24:00

an American movie called The Cave that

1:24:02

was coming out the same year but

1:24:05

unfortunately this movie opened in the

1:24:07

same week as the 2005 London

1:24:11

bombings. All of

1:24:13

the crawlers is what they're called were

1:24:15

professional actors as opposed to stuntmen

1:24:17

or dancers and they were asked

1:24:20

to each create a distinct character

1:24:22

for their crawler although even

1:24:24

in the finished film most crawlers only

1:24:26

appear for a few seconds.

1:24:28

Now the appearance of the crawlers was

1:24:30

kept secret from cast members until

1:24:33

the very first scene where they encountered them

1:24:35

was filmed. They weren't allowed to see makeup,

1:24:37

they weren't allowed to see anything.

1:24:41

When they were finally filming the scene

1:24:43

where the group encountered the crawlers the

1:24:45

actors were genuinely scared and screamed and

1:24:48

ended up running offset and laughing

1:24:50

because obviously like it scared them in the moment

1:24:52

they were like oh god that's

1:24:54

what they're gonna okay all right take

1:24:56

two but that shows you how scary they

1:24:59

were because the actors were scared and then

1:25:01

realized oh shit I'm in a movie like

1:25:03

this is fine I can laugh about this

1:25:05

like a haunted house yes

1:25:07

yeah I hate haunted house I would I would

1:25:09

not be able to do a I don't think I could

1:25:12

do a movie like this anyway the actresses in

1:25:14

the whitewater rafting sequence did it by

1:25:16

themselves without any stunt doubles and you

1:25:18

can you can see that too I mean

1:25:20

it's clearly them in those wide shots you know yeah

1:25:23

the fun facts name-checked the guy that built the caves and I

1:25:25

was like oh what else did he do and

1:25:27

just so you know Johnny English strikes again but

1:25:31

also a bunch of other things but not a

1:25:33

ton of things that were as famous stateside he's

1:25:35

more famous in the UK I mean that makes sense

1:25:37

all that shit was on Pinewood Studios which is in London

1:25:39

yeah now many of the crawlers were

1:25:41

actually shot at 18 frames per second

1:25:43

with a 45 degree shutter

1:25:45

to give them staccato movement they

1:25:47

do look very sharp in movement

1:25:49

yeah yes that's cool one of

1:25:52

the crevices that they built for

1:25:54

the fake caves was so narrow

1:25:56

and slippery that the actresses called

1:25:58

it the vagina Yeah,

1:26:01

well that saves me from having to

1:26:03

make a crass joke when you said

1:26:05

openings with slip. It's fine It's

1:26:07

fine. And I'll end on this one. So

1:26:10

Neil Marshall who directed this obviously directed

1:26:12

dog soldiers Yeah, didn't necessarily want this

1:26:14

to be his first film right after but

1:26:16

ultimately decided he would do it and he

1:26:18

would make it an all-female Cast to

1:26:21

kind of offset dog soldiers. Yeah, but

1:26:23

one of the things he did not

1:26:25

realize in writing it He's

1:26:27

not very claustrophobic. So he wrote in

1:26:29

all of those elements just to be

1:26:31

realistic to cave dwelling But as you

1:26:33

we talked about on this podcast many

1:26:35

many many people are claustrophobic Yeah, and

1:26:38

he didn't realize how much that was

1:26:40

going to scare people so when he

1:26:42

started showing it to test audiences and

1:26:44

some of them were citing the Colostrophobia

1:26:46

as scarier than the monsters. He was

1:26:48

actually very surprised by that and

1:26:50

those are your fun facts Well, thank you for

1:26:52

those fun facts page. Let's talk a little

1:26:54

bit about box office So what do you

1:26:56

think the production budget was for

1:26:58

the descent in? 2006

1:27:02

5 million fronks. Okay, so you can't movie

1:27:04

but okay page. What do you what do

1:27:06

you think it is? I'm gonna say 6

1:27:09

million page. That's a pretty good guess. It

1:27:11

was actually 7 million dollars But great guess

1:27:13

if you would just for inflation, that's almost

1:27:15

11. It's 10 point 9 million dollars Now

1:27:17

this movie came out on August 4th 2006

1:27:22

and was fifth in the theaters that weekend

1:27:24

It was beat by Talladega nights the

1:27:26

ballot of Ricky Bobby number two was

1:27:28

barnyard the original party animals Number three

1:27:31

was Pirates of the Caribbean dead man's

1:27:33

chest number four was Miami Vice and

1:27:35

number five was the descent What do

1:27:37

you think it made in its opening

1:27:39

weekend? Four million. Okay,

1:27:41

was it international release or just

1:27:44

in America? This is in

1:27:46

the US I do have

1:27:48

total international box office. I don't have

1:27:50

the breakdown by country though. Unfortunately, I

1:27:52

did look for it I'm gonna say

1:27:54

six both good guesses, but

1:27:56

it actually made almost 9 million

1:27:58

dollars 8.9 $9 million

1:28:00

in its opening weekend, which is more than

1:28:02

the budget. It was in the domestic, and

1:28:04

again, I realize it's a UK production, but

1:28:06

when I say domestic, I mean US. It

1:28:09

was in domestic theaters for 10 weeks, but

1:28:11

it was never again in the top five, and its second week

1:28:13

it was number eight, and then fell out of the top 10,

1:28:16

and sort of remained there until it was gone. But

1:28:18

what do you think it made in the domestic

1:28:20

box office? Okay, 22.

1:28:23

Mikey, you're actually a little bit closer. It's $26 million.

1:28:27

Now, this is an international-based movie. It

1:28:29

was based in the UK, obviously, so

1:28:31

it brought in a pretty good amount

1:28:34

internationally. It brought in $31 million internationally

1:28:36

for a total worldwide box office of

1:28:38

$57 million, and

1:28:41

if you adjust that for inflation, that takes that

1:28:43

up to almost $90 million. It's

1:28:45

technically $89 million today, which

1:28:48

is great. It also did really well in the

1:28:50

home market, so it made another $24.3 million in

1:28:52

the home market. So

1:28:56

it did great. It did really good.

1:28:59

He's obviously still out here making movies because he

1:29:01

knows what he's doing, and he always makes money

1:29:03

when he releases a film, but that's your box

1:29:05

office. So, Mikey, do you want to hit us

1:29:07

with that scary scale? Yes, our scary scale. Scale

1:29:10

of one to 10 about scary film film, or

1:29:12

one example is Ghostbusters, or 10 examples. Take the

1:29:14

chainsaw massacre, page. I'm gonna give

1:29:16

this a three,

1:29:19

but if I had seen it in theaters, this

1:29:21

would have probably been a seven or eight. This

1:29:24

is your first time watching it? Yeah, yeah.

1:29:27

Fuck, you're, shit, ugh. Jump scares don't

1:29:29

get me, though. That's not the thing that

1:29:31

scares me. They get me. To

1:29:33

be honest, I think Autopsy of Jane Doe, that was

1:29:35

the one where I was like, if this wins, I

1:29:37

think this might be real bad for

1:29:39

me. That one's also scary, and probably more

1:29:42

of your alley of scary, but this one's more

1:29:44

of mine, so I'm gonna give it a seven.

1:29:46

And this is the second time I saw it,

1:29:48

I saw it during the day. I mean, it

1:29:50

was night, I guess, but the sun was still

1:29:52

out, you know? And I was still scared.

1:29:55

It was scary. I'll probably give it

1:29:57

a two for the claustrophobic stuff. Yeah,

1:29:59

that. That was real rough. Yeah

1:30:01

man. But when I saw

1:30:03

it the first few times, it was really

1:30:05

scary. But that's our scary scale. Excellent. Well

1:30:07

this week, the listeners made us revisit the

1:30:10

descent. What are you guys making us

1:30:12

watch next week? It is February, so it is

1:30:14

Black Horror Month, and we are kicking it

1:30:16

off strong with something we have wanted to watch

1:30:18

for months. And that is Blade 2. Yeah.

1:30:21

I cannot wait. Like, I love Blade.

1:30:23

Some of the fuckers always trying to

1:30:25

icegate uphill. Iconic line. I cannot wait

1:30:27

to see where Blade goes in the

1:30:29

future. So exciting. I understand that at

1:30:32

some point we get Ryan Reynolds in

1:30:34

the mix, which I'm here for. That's much later. Although I

1:30:36

think it's 2. Yeah, yeah, that's fine. No, that's way later.

1:30:38

That's fine. I'll take it later. But listen, I

1:30:40

can guarantee you I'm going to enjoy Blade

1:30:42

2 as we check it out next week,

1:30:44

because that's your homework. So Mikey, do you

1:30:46

have a review for us to read? Not

1:30:48

yet. Alright. Well, while you're looking one up,

1:30:50

let me read a comment that

1:30:53

was under our most recent

1:30:55

Spotify episode. That episode being

1:30:57

the Jennifer's Body Revisited episode.

1:30:59

And this one's from Amanda.

1:31:02

She said, I love the ferret conversation.

1:31:06

My sister rescues ferrets and currently

1:31:08

has four. She's not to be trusted. That's

1:31:10

flag. So Amanda, thank you

1:31:12

so much for that awesome Spotify

1:31:14

comment. Mikey, do you have a review for us

1:31:16

to read? Rescues ferrets from where?

1:31:19

Like, the forest? I

1:31:22

don't even understand. So let me explain to you the

1:31:24

concept of Spotify comments. I

1:31:26

can't ask them follow-up questions. It's just

1:31:28

that one comment, Mikey. Whatever. Do

1:31:31

you have a review for us to read, though? Yeah,

1:31:33

I'm going to do one. M-Fox919.

1:31:37

Well, what does M-Fox919 have to say? Title

1:31:40

review is, I don't even like podcasts, but I love

1:31:42

this one. Okay. I

1:31:44

think that's a compliment. My friend got

1:31:46

me into this podcast. Shout

1:31:48

out Lydia. Yo, Lydia! On

1:31:51

a road trip to take the Stephen King tour

1:31:53

in Maine. Okay, that's cool. Since

1:31:55

then, I have been hooked, all

1:31:57

capitals, on this podcast. Awesome. Like

1:32:00

I said, I don't really care for pockets.

1:32:02

Same, M. Fox. Oh, you

1:32:04

think she only listens to Smallville recap podcasts

1:32:07

like you, Mikey? Is that what you're saying?

1:32:09

I'm even behind on that one, you know?

1:32:12

Yeah, about 20 years behind,

1:32:14

Mikey. It's Smallville. I was

1:32:16

there in the original time.

1:32:19

Like I said, I don't really care for podcasts,

1:32:21

but I could listen to this all day,

1:32:23

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1:32:26

involved is incredible, and it's made me

1:32:28

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1:32:30

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1:32:33

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1:32:35

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