0:04

Investigators believe Coburger killed Kaylei

0:06

Gansalves, Madison Mogan, Zeyner, Kernodle,

0:09

and Ethan Chapin inside of a rented home

0:11

not far from the University of Idaho campus.

0:13

At the time of the murders, Coburger was studying

0:15

at Washington State University, which is just a

0:17

few miles away from the crime scene.

0:21

Outside Coberger's apartment in Pullman,

0:23

Washington, detectives removing boxes

0:25

and bags from the apartment. They just kept

0:27

coming out with more and more stuff and loading

0:30

it into evidence vans. But in that list

0:32

of what they brought out, they do not list

0:34

knife in that evidence list.

0:42

This is the Idaho Massacre,

0:45

a production of KT Studios and iHeartRadio,

0:49

episode five The

0:51

Days After Death. Courtney

0:56

Armstrong a television producer at KT

0:58

Studios with Stephanie Leidecker, Jeff

1:00

Shane, and Connor Powell. When

1:06

Brian Colberger moved to Pullman, Washington

1:08

in early July of twenty twenty two

1:11

for his pH d program, he arrived

1:13

on campus with his dad driving a twenty

1:15

fifteen white Hondi Atlantra. Within

1:20

months of arriving on campus, Coburger

1:22

was pulled over by Washington State University

1:25

Police.

1:26

Hello, Hi, am, officer langis stops

1:28

being audio and video recorded.

1:29

You think you know why I stopped you. As the officer

1:32

approached the driver's side window, the twenty

1:34

eight year old criminology student respectfully

1:36

greeted her. Colberger

1:39

explained he was originally from a rural

1:42

area in Pennsylvania and was new to

1:44

the area. He said he accidentally

1:46

got caught in the intersection before turning

1:48

left on a red light.

1:51

Yeah, it was a little bit of confusion with speeding

1:53

because someone had stopped.

1:56

I wasn't sure what they were doing.

1:58

During the nine and a half minute interaction, Coburger

2:01

politely asked the female officer to explain

2:03

Washington State's traffic laws, before

2:05

he apologized for asking too many

2:08

questions. Do you have your license

2:10

on you?

2:12

You?

2:12

Do you have the registration and insurance?

2:15

I'm just going to this off route, Okay.

2:17

The traffic stop was unremarkable and

2:19

Coburger was let off with a warning, But

2:22

during the brief exchange, which took place

2:24

one month before the murderers, the officer

2:26

commented that Brian Coberger's vehicle

2:29

registration was set to expire in a

2:31

few months.

2:32

Let's see expires November

2:35

twenty second, twenty twenty two.

2:36

For the next month Coburger's wife twenty

2:39

fifteen, Atlantra remained registered

2:41

in his home state of Pennsylvania, But

2:43

five days after the gruesome murders, Coburger

2:45

did something he hadn't done for months. He

2:48

changed his registration from Pennsylvania

2:51

to Washington and received new license

2:53

plates. Was this simply a coincidence,

2:55

a last minute chore that needed to be completed

2:58

but had escaped Coburger's mind ring his

3:00

first and very busy fall semester.

3:03

Or was this one of the many actions

3:05

Coburger took to try to cover his tracks

3:07

after killing the four University of Idaho

3:10

students. Here's

3:12

Stephanie and Jeff.

3:15

It was roughly seven weeks from the time Kaylee,

3:17

Madison, Zana, and Ethan were killed

3:20

to the time Brian Coburger was arrested.

3:23

To me, the biggest question in this case is obviously

3:25

why did Coburger, if in fact he is

3:28

guilty, commit this crime?

3:29

And maybe asking ourselves why is

3:32

an impossible question. It's kind

3:34

of applying reason to an irrational situation.

3:37

Whoever did this is obviously a

3:39

monster, and we're clearly not going to be

3:41

able to assign logic to that person.

3:43

The other good question I have is what was

3:46

Coburger doing in the days and weeks leading

3:48

up to the murders exactly?

3:49

And there are so many unanswered questions at

3:51

this point, but thanks to the Probable Cause

3:54

AffA David, we do know some

3:56

of the movements and actions of Coburger.

4:01

Brian Coburger's cell phone is at the center

4:03

of the prosecution's case against the twenty

4:05

eight year old in the days and hours

4:07

before and after the killings, Investigators

4:10

say Coburger's cell phone use paints a

4:12

disturbing picture of a killer stalking

4:15

his victims and returning to the

4:17

scene of the crime.

4:19

Investigators say they believe the murders took

4:21

place between four and four to twenty five am.

4:24

According to cell phone data, Coburger's

4:26

phone was connected to the cellular network

4:28

near his apartment in Pulman, Washington,

4:31

at four forty two am on

4:33

the morning of the murders. His phone

4:35

disappeared from the network and was switched

4:37

off between two forty seven am

4:40

and four forty eight a m. On the morning

4:42

of the murders. Police say in the

4:44

Probable Cause Affidavid that this

4:46

is quote consistent with Coburger

4:48

attempting to conceal his location during

4:51

the quadruple homicide. Here's

4:55

reporter Chris Bargo.

4:58

At two forty two in the morning. Brian

5:00

Coburger's cell phone is recorded

5:03

as sort of being on the network in Pullman, Washington, where his

5:05

dormitory is on Washington State University

5:07

campus. Then a few minutes later goes off

5:09

the network and is disconnected. From

5:12

that point on, there's just counts

5:14

of people seeing his white hand lantro, so his white

5:16

han day luntra scene leaving Pullman shortly after that,

5:18

and then around three point thirty itt scene in

5:21

Moscow. Now, the direct route from

5:23

Pullman to Moscow is about fifteen minutes

5:25

tops, and this is late at night, so it's not going to be any traffic.

5:28

So it's assumed he took some sort of way

5:30

that would have gone around that sort of main road.

5:32

He would either went up north or he went down south

5:34

and took back rows to sort of get there. Because

5:36

the alleged killer is driving, police

5:38

belief from Pullman to Moscow,

5:41

if it is indeed Brian, that would suggest that it was

5:43

targeted because that's a very specific target. That's a very specific

5:45

house he's going to.

5:48

At four forty eight am, Coberger's

5:50

phone comes back online and pings

5:52

a tower just south of Moscow. But

5:55

police say Coburger did not head straight

5:57

home. Instead, he drove a

5:59

back roads route which was longer

6:01

and more remote.

6:04

That area that he drove south to where he the

6:07

road sort of goes down south about ten or twenty

6:09

miles and then it turns back up in a u. That

6:11

area at the bottom is just mountains and it's forest.

6:14

He arrives home at five point thirty in the morning,

6:16

where the WSU campus surveillance video

6:19

captures his white Atlanta returning home.

6:22

A few hours later, Coburger's phone

6:24

is back on the move. In a particularly

6:26

chilling move, Coburger's phone

6:29

pings a tower near the King roadhouse.

6:34

Ryan Coberger's saleshone allegedly

6:36

shows him here at nine to twelve

6:38

am and staying for about

6:41

ten minutes.

6:42

Surveillance video also shows a white Sedan

6:45

driving past the scene of the murders around

6:47

nine in the morning. Police

6:50

have yet to be called to the gruesome murder

6:52

scene. Stephanie

6:56

and Jeff.

6:57

It's the oldest cliche in criminal history,

7:00

the killer always returns to the scene

7:02

of the crime.

7:03

Well, actually, Steph, it's not true

7:05

for most killers. Many serial

7:07

killers do actually return to the scene

7:09

of the crime, particularly ones who are compulsive

7:12

or obsessed over their victims. For example,

7:14

Gary Ridgway, who was known as the Green River

7:16

Killer and convicted of forty nine murders,

7:18

regularly returned to the spots he dumped his

7:20

victims' bodies. Also the son of

7:23

Sam killer David Berkowitz. He told the

7:25

FBI that on nights he couldn't find a victim, he

7:27

would just go back to the scene of previous kills

7:29

and masturbate.

7:30

That's so sick, I mean, think

7:32

about it. Returning to the scene of the crime is

7:34

usually part of a pattern with killers who are

7:36

extremely confident and

7:38

pride themselves on being kind of untouchable

7:41

by law enforcement and basically

7:43

smarter than everybody else. Does that

7:45

sound like coburger to you.

7:47

Here's Jeff speaking with Adam Wand.

7:49

I'm not a criminology student, but I've seen enough

7:51

law in order to know, like, your cell phone is how

7:54

people track you. And he's like dumb enough to bring the phone

7:56

or turn it on on the way home, like he didn't even get all the way home.

7:59

What do you make of his lack of good

8:01

decisions?

8:02

We have a wonderful idiom in

8:04

English for his behavior, and

8:06

the idiom is a

8:09

little bit of knowledge is deadly.

8:14

Adam Want is a digital forensics expert

8:16

and a professor at John Jay College of Criminal

8:19

Justice. He spoke

8:21

to producer Jeff Shane about how a

8:23

cell phone can be used to establish Kolberger's

8:25

actions and whereabouts in the immediate

8:28

hours surrounding the killings.

8:30

I think in this specific case,

8:33

the little bit of knowledge he had

8:35

really hurt him. That

8:38

little bit of knowledge was if

8:40

I bring my cell phone to the

8:42

scene of the crime, I could

8:44

be identified as being there with my

8:46

cell phone. And he was right.

8:49

If he brought his cell phone there while it was

8:51

on, we would have much

8:53

quicker figured out who he

8:56

was and had been able to arrest him. But

8:58

what he did was smart to

9:00

him. He turned off his phone beforehand,

9:03

he turned it back on afterwards, And

9:05

if we never identified him

9:08

as a possible suspect, we

9:10

may never have figured out it was actually

9:13

him because he turned off his phone.

9:15

But once we realize he's a potential

9:18

suspect, and once we see

9:20

he turned his phone off right before that

9:22

period of time turned it back on

9:24

shortly after that period of time. That's

9:27

what we call an overt action

9:30

that he took that the jury

9:32

could look at to determine guilt.

9:35

So ultimately, what he did

9:37

to protect himself because

9:39

he didn't understand that these

9:41

issues fully actually might

9:44

be one of the most important pieces of information

9:46

that she used to convict him.

9:48

Because it looks suspicious that his

9:50

phone turns off for this window of time

9:52

and then turns back on on the border

9:55

of between these two towns.

9:56

Some people might say it looks suspicious

9:59

that his phone turned off and then back

10:01

on again. I go beyond that.

10:03

It's not just suspicious.

10:06

He took an action that

10:08

was recorded on his phone. His phone

10:11

would have recorded him turning it

10:13

off and recorded where he

10:15

was. And the fact that he turned it off and then

10:18

where he was, and the fact that he turned it

10:20

back on again, and the fact

10:22

that he took the time

10:25

to turn off his phone shortly before the murders

10:27

and turn it right back on shortly after the murders

10:30

certainly shines a spotlight

10:32

on him that's going to be

10:35

very hard to reboot.

10:36

He did not turn his phone off at all when he drove back any

10:38

of the other times that he had been there.

10:40

Let's face it, a stable,

10:43

emotionally mature, sane

10:45

person is not going to

10:47

go kill a houseful of people. In

10:50

this particular case, if

10:52

the suspect is the murderer,

10:55

then he's probably not

10:57

completely sane and stable, and

11:00

things that he did, good or

11:02

bad are going to come up in

11:04

the trial and come up in evidence, and

11:07

a lot of that evidence is going to be used by the jury

11:09

to figure out if he's guilty or not.

11:13

Did Coburger return to the house to try

11:15

and gather evidence such as the knife

11:17

sheath that he allegedly left in the house,

11:20

or did he return to relive the murders

11:22

like other overconfident killers, or

11:24

to admire what he'd done.

11:29

Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in

11:31

a moment. After

11:40

revisiting the crime scene and returning home,

11:42

Brian Coberger's day was far from over.

11:45

According to the probable Cause Affidavid

11:47

Coburger's cellphone data shows he drove

11:49

south from Pullman, Washington to Lewiston,

11:52

Idaho. The fifty minute drive

11:54

was just the beginning of a day of strange movements.

11:57

Following the murders, six

12:00

pm, Coburger arrives at an Albertson's

12:02

grocery store in Lewiston.

12:05

Surveillance video at twelve forty nine

12:07

pm shows Coburger walking

12:09

through the store and purchasing unknown

12:12

items at the checkout.

12:14

He leaves about fifteen minutes later. Here

12:17

again, Jeff and Stephanie.

12:19

So why does Brian Coburger make the long drive

12:22

and go to Lewiston, Idaho for some groceries?

12:24

Polman has stores like Safeway and Walmart. In fact,

12:26

SODA's nearby Moscow. It also has a Safeway,

12:29

a Walmart, and a Target and Adulatry.

12:31

And what does he need from the grocery store in Lewiston

12:34

that he can't get in Pullman or Moscow?

12:36

You know what this reminds me of is Angela

12:38

Wagner, who, along with her husband and two

12:40

sons, murdered eight members of the Rodent family

12:43

in twenty sixteen. When planning the murders, she drove

12:45

hours away from her house in Pike County to

12:47

get supplies for the murders. She thought

12:49

she was somehow outsmarting detectives by going

12:51

far away, but thanks to very trusty

12:53

surveillance footage they caught her right handed. Could

12:56

Coburger have been buying something like bleach

12:58

or other cleaning supplies he didn't want copseeing

13:00

and somehow thought buying it far away

13:02

from where he lived or where the murders took place would

13:05

throw them off.

13:06

Also, Lewiston is located

13:08

at the confluence of the Snake River

13:10

and the Clearwater River, so if he

13:12

was trying to maybe dispose of a murder

13:15

weapon like a knife, these big rivers

13:18

would kind of be an ideal spot.

13:23

According to the police Affidavid, Coburger's

13:25

phone pins a cell tower in Johnson, Idaho,

13:28

roughly four hours later at five

13:30

point thirty pm.

13:31

Let's unpack that a bit, because this is a really

13:34

important fact. There actually

13:36

is no Johnson, Idaho.

13:38

Yeah.

13:38

Our friends Deanna Thompson and John Green from

13:40

our new podcast True Crimes pointed

13:43

out that the Affidavid likely meant

13:45

nearby Johnson, Washington. The

13:47

town of Johnson is just off the highway between

13:49

Lewiston, Idaho, where Coburger went shopping,

13:51

and Pullman, Washington, where he lived. It's also

13:53

on the route investigator say Coburger traveled

13:55

after the murders.

13:57

And remember, according to officials, he

13:59

didn't take the shwe direct road between

14:01

Moscow and Pullman. He took the back

14:03

road country roads instead.

14:06

Later that day, on Sunday, November thirteenth,

14:08

at five point thirty six pm, for three

14:10

hours, Coburger's phone once again was

14:12

disconnected from cell service. Think about it.

14:14

This was a Sunday in November. It's cold,

14:17

there's NFL on TV. Coburger

14:19

is busy with his PhD and

14:21

TA work. This is a long time

14:23

to just be driving around aimlessly, especially

14:25

without your cell phone.

14:26

What was he doing and where was he going? Could

14:29

he have been moving and trying to get rid of evidence?

14:37

Following the murders people who interacted

14:39

with Coburger so a dramatic change in his

14:41

personality. Before the killings,

14:43

Coburger was disliked by his students at

14:45

Washington State University, who viewed

14:48

him as strange and remote. Here

14:50

is Hayden Stinchfield, a former student

14:52

of Coburger's.

14:56

When he came into class, he was very, you

14:58

know, not super mentally present. He would stand up the

15:00

front look at the ground. He had a lot

15:02

of like boiler plate responses he would give people

15:04

rather than you know, maybe something he had thought up on the

15:06

spot. It seemed like he would be you know, he'd

15:09

come in knowing what he was going to say to Like most interactions.

15:11

As a teaching assistant, Coburger was

15:13

disliked by undergraduates because of his

15:15

difficult grading and condescending tone.

15:18

He was also accused of being sexist

15:21

and acting inappropriately towards female

15:23

students. One young woman said

15:25

he creepily followed her to her car.

15:28

Following the murders, Coburger's behavior

15:30

towards women did not change, but

15:32

his grading style did about

15:34

a.

15:34

Month before winter break, when like the murders

15:36

happened. Definitely around then

15:39

he started grading everybody just a hundreds,

15:41

not like like like you pretty much if you turned

15:43

something in you were getting high marked, and

15:45

he stopped leaving notes. It was just, you

15:48

know, he seemed preoccupied.

15:50

It was much easier.

15:51

You'd turn in whatever you wanted pretty much, and he was

15:53

just braiding them up and sending them back.

15:55

Hayden Stenfield also said around the

15:57

time of the murders, Coburger's appearance

15:59

changed well.

16:00

Around that time period. I remember him, you

16:02

know, he had like a little bit more facial hair, just like stubble,

16:05

but definitely less like well kept

16:07

than he was. And he was a little

16:10

quieter, you know, he didn't he used to

16:12

stand up at the start of class and like talk about some stuff

16:14

sometimes, and this time he didn't really do that at all.

16:16

One of Coberger's fellow graduate students,

16:18

speaking to the media also noticed

16:21

a distinct change following the murders.

16:23

I did notice that he was, you know, he was cowing up to

16:25

class a little late sometimes. He always

16:27

had a coffee in hand. He always seemed

16:29

to be just perpetually exhausted.

16:33

Like everybody in a graduate program,

16:35

there's a little bit of awkwardness. You're trying to fit in. You're

16:38

trying to find Denise and Brian

16:40

cobol little fit in that he was awkward. He

16:42

was trying to fit in. He was trying to get

16:45

his inroad into this group and establish

16:47

these social bonds with other members of the cohort.

16:50

He did seem to get a little chattiol

16:52

going into the Lattle pul to the.

16:53

Tomb again,

16:57

Stephanie and Jeff.

16:59

Let's put us into perspective. Around this

17:01

time, Coburger was under a lot of stress from

17:03

WSU. His boss was not at him, and he

17:05

was about to get fired. Not to mention, he

17:08

must have known that the cops were circling

17:10

in on him in some capacity. Could all that stress

17:12

have been catching up to him.

17:14

Let's just go through the list. He's changing

17:16

his appearance. He's disinterested

17:18

in work, he's preoccupied at school,

17:21

he's behaving very overwhelmed. Clearly

17:24

some thing's going on. Is he just

17:26

overwhelmed because it's the end of the year and it's

17:28

before the holidays and that's

17:30

an intense time for many or

17:32

is he behaving like somebody who's

17:35

just committed mass murder.

17:36

I agree with that, but I will also say that the fact

17:38

he was being extra chatty is so strange

17:40

to me.

17:46

When Brian Colberger was arrested in Pennsylvania,

17:49

investigators also searched his apartment

17:51

in Pullman, Washington. Here's reporter

17:54

Chris Bargo.

17:55

His apartment is certainly very cleaned out. He did leave

17:57

a few things like a TV. His storagelock

18:00

grivid had ever been used. Was completely cleaned out. There's

18:02

no shower curtain when police go their first search,

18:04

and there's really very few things inside this apartment that make

18:06

it seems like someone's living there. It almost seems

18:09

like you just left beyond some trash. Maybe are the things he didn't want,

18:11

but we're not sure. He also manages

18:13

to clear it out before authorities get any sort of search

18:15

warrant or any sort of identifying him

18:17

as really as the suspect of the case, so

18:22

when they finally get to search out apartment, he's cleared

18:24

it out, so it's not The potential for evidence

18:26

has probably been decreased drastically because he'd been

18:28

gone more than two weeks actually by the time they searched

18:30

it.

18:32

Had Brian Coberger always lived such a

18:34

bare bones existence, or was

18:37

his Washington apartment empty because he had

18:39

stripped it clean and removed anything

18:41

that might have incriminated him.

18:45

Stephanie and Jeff I

18:48

remember being a student. You know you're

18:50

kind of broke, So it does stand to reason that

18:52

his place wouldn't be opulent and

18:54

lavish.

18:55

But no shower curtain, that is just odd.

18:58

I'm thinking he could have used it in his the

19:00

night of the murder to keep blood off the seats.

19:03

Like the TV show Dexter, where he

19:05

would use plastic to keep any

19:07

incriminating evidence away.

19:12

Three weeks after his arrest, the search

19:14

warrant for Coberger's apartment was unsealed

19:16

by a judge. It detailed what

19:19

forensic teams had found.

19:21

Investigators removed several items

19:23

from inside that apartment.

19:27

Among the items possibly connecting Coburger

19:29

to his victims were a single black surgical

19:31

type glove, the dust container

19:34

from Coburger's Bissel power force

19:36

vacuum, a computer tower, a

19:38

collection of dark red spots,

19:41

several strands of hair, including one

19:43

investigator's believe is from an animal,

19:45

multiple store receipts, including

19:48

one from Walmart with the Dickey's tag,

19:50

and two clippings from a pillow that contained

19:52

a reddish brown stain. Shortly

19:55

after Brian Coberger became the lone

19:57

suspect in the brutal quadruple murders,

20:00

he departed on a cross country trip

20:02

back home to Pennsylvania with his father. The

20:04

fall semester had just finished and Coburger

20:07

was heading home for the holidays. However,

20:10

after months of conflict with the faculty

20:12

in the criminology department over his behavior

20:14

as a teaching assistant, Coburger's

20:16

academic career is in doubt.

20:19

Just a few days after he departed campus,

20:22

Coburger would receive a letter from the school

20:24

saying that his job as a teaching assistant

20:27

would be terminated and his return

20:29

to WSU was very much

20:31

in doubt. Here's reporter Chris

20:34

Bargo, what

20:36

do you make of the car ride home with his dad?

20:39

So we know the dad drove him out, so I would

20:41

assume that's probably always the plan. I

20:44

don't understand why you drive home though, if you're

20:46

coming back, because it seems like to have your car for four weeks

20:48

in Pennsylvania to drive all that way and then all the way

20:50

back out, that's a pain in the ass. And that's a lot of miles

20:52

on the car. That's not really a new car. So probably

20:55

just keep it at the school. But we don't know. I mean,

20:57

obviously the dad isn't talking. We don't know when he decided to do it.

20:59

But again, that's something you could probably explain away at

21:01

the trial because it's dad drove him out there, so this is sort

21:04

of maybe dad just doing that again. But it's

21:06

clear that dad, I think didn't know because when you

21:08

get stopped that second time, he's talking about how there was like, you know, this

21:10

this crime at this school. I'm like, you would never bring

21:13

that up. If you knew, you would just sort of not even say the kid went to WSU.

21:15

You just move along. You try to keep that to yourself. But

21:17

the dad's like, oh, we're coming from WSU and there was this, you know,

21:19

sort of big shooting there the other day, not the

21:21

crime that his son allegedly committed, but there was another

21:24

incident right around the holiday. So it's

21:26

just sort of the dad just seem to be completely in the dark.

21:28

And I mean, and they also got home very quickly. They

21:30

made that trip, like I think they stopped one night maybe,

21:33

and then they were on the road. I mean, because they leave the thirteenth

21:35

and there Indiana on the fifteenth, I believe, which is

21:37

a very very fast trip.

21:39

And then I stall don't understand how I guess pulled over twice in ten minutes.

21:42

Coberger was behind the wheel when he was

21:44

stopped on I seventy outside of

21:46

Indianapolis for following too closely.

21:49

During the two thousand, five hundred

21:51

mile trip, Coburger is pulled over twice

21:54

in less than ten minutes in Indiana. The

21:56

interactions with the local police were caught

21:58

on bodycam video.

22:00

Hello, how you knowing? How y'all doing

22:02

today.

22:04

Good.

22:04

Good, Take a look your driver's lines in real

22:06

quick if I could.

22:10

Despite media reports that the FBI was

22:13

tracking Coburger on his drive home

22:15

for the Christmas holiday, local

22:17

police in Indiana say they did not know who

22:19

Coburger was and that the stops

22:21

were completely random and simply part

22:23

of routine drug checks.

22:26

Jeff and Stephanie.

22:28

Both times Coburger was pulled over by the local

22:31

police, he was let go with a warning for tail getting. The

22:33

interactions were very nonchalant.

22:35

On the one hand, yes, maybe it's a sign

22:37

of his privilege, but it seems very

22:39

unlikely that police would just happen to

22:42

stop a suspect in a murder investigation

22:45

twice within ten minutes.

22:47

According to the Indiana State Police, which

22:49

is where this happened, these stops were actually

22:51

just routine interstate drug trafficking prevention.

22:54

Can you imagine if he actually

22:56

did it. He's getting stopped by police twice

22:59

in ten minutes. He must have been

23:01

losing his mind. Was he nervous?

23:03

Was he calm?

23:05

Did he assume he was about to get arrested, or

23:07

perhaps even more disturbingly, did he assume

23:09

he would get away with it? And that he was somehow

23:11

untouchable.

23:15

Let's stop here for another break.

23:26

If Coburger believes he has eluded law

23:28

enforcement, he isn't taken any chances

23:30

once he returns to his parents' home in

23:32

Albertsville. In the days before

23:34

Coburger is arrested, police began

23:37

around the clock surveillance.

23:39

Law enforcement sources told CNN

23:41

that the Hondaia Launchra that Coburger was driving

23:44

was cleaned from top to bottom by

23:46

the suspect while.

23:48

He was under surveillance in Pennsylvania.

23:50

At his parents' home, Coburger was

23:52

seen meticulously cleaning his car,

23:54

with one investigator saying that Coburger

23:56

cleaned his car inside and out, not

23:59

missing an inch. He was also

24:01

observed taking other protective measures,

24:03

including taking trash out in the middle of the night

24:06

and putting garbage bags in his neighbor's trash

24:08

cans. He was also seen wearing

24:10

rubber gloves in public. Did

24:12

Coburger think police were closing in on him?

24:21

I mean, I think the only thing that can sort

24:23

of inform that is the fact that we know when he was arrested, he

24:25

was sitting at his table, wearing late tech gloves and putting

24:28

his trash in his bi block bags. So clearly he knew

24:31

they were onto him, Like that's obvious,

24:33

Like that he knew that, So that behavior would

24:35

suggest that he was apprehensive.

24:41

Despite his best efforts to cover up his tracks,

24:43

investigators were covered Coburger's trash.

24:46

They tested several items for DNA

24:48

and were able to make a definitive DNA connection

24:51

through his father. In the

24:53

early morning hours of December thirtieth,

24:56

police smashed the windows and doors

24:58

of the two story Coburger home in the

25:00

gated community of Indian Mountain

25:02

Lake Estates. Despite the raid

25:04

taking place at one thirty in the morning, the

25:07

swat team found Brian Coburger wide

25:09

awake and cleaning.

25:11

Mister Coburger was found awake

25:13

in the kitchen area, dressed in shorts

25:15

and a shirt and wearing latex

25:18

medical type gloves and apparently

25:20

was taking his personal trash, putting

25:22

it into a separate ziploc baggie.

25:25

Among the items taken from the home were

25:27

a flashlight, medical style

25:29

gloves, a large black sweatshirt,

25:32

two knives, a glock twenty

25:35

two forty caliber handgun, three

25:37

forty caliber magazine clips, two

25:40

black face masks, and a bag

25:42

of green leafy substance. Forensic

25:44

teams also searched Coburger's twenty fifteen

25:47

Balancha, taking swabs from the

25:49

car. They also removed the seats,

25:51

the brake, and the gas pedal, and found

25:53

a shovel, boots, and a pair of goggles.

25:56

Investigators have also reportedly collected

25:59

fifty one ten pherabytes of electronic

26:01

data as part of their investigation into

26:03

Brian Coberger.

26:05

He's left quite the fingerprint

26:07

online and I think

26:09

that's ultimately going to be the evidence

26:12

that sinks SIMP.

26:14

Much of the data is likely content and

26:16

information from computer drives and social

26:18

media accounts. While Coberger

26:20

appears to have tried to destroy or clean

26:22

up much of the physical evidence linking him to

26:24

the murders, it isn't clear how much

26:27

he tried to delete or clean up any

26:29

of the electronic data that might incriminate

26:31

him. Stephanie and

26:33

Jeff.

26:35

Of course, every suspect is innocent until proven

26:37

guilty. But if Coburger was actually

26:39

doing what the police say he was when he was

26:41

arrested, it is not a good luck. You bet.

26:43

The jury is going to hear all about the trash,

26:45

separating, the intense car cleaning and wearing gloves

26:47

in public. It's not how normal everyday

26:49

people act, and the prosecution is

26:52

going to remind the jury.

26:53

Of that and too many It looks like Coburger

26:55

was just trying to act like a criminal mastermind,

26:58

methodically covering his.

27:00

But as we know, getting away with murder is never

27:03

that easy.

27:08

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