0:14

Hello, everybody. I have the

0:16

privilege today of speaking with actor Dennis Quaid.

0:18

He flew into Scottsdale to

0:21

do the show in person. I

0:23

saw a screening of his

0:25

new film coming out in August, end

0:27

of August, Reagan, last year, and

0:31

thought it was a classic American production, very

0:33

much enjoyed it. Speaks

0:35

of a very significant time

0:37

in the history of the world, really, the

0:40

defeat of the Communist Empire, which is something

0:43

remarkable and

0:47

extremely relevant to today again, when

0:49

the same sorts of ideas are

0:51

making their re-emergence. And so,

0:53

what did we talk about? What are we going to talk about?

0:56

Well, Dennis's career, the

0:58

challenge of playing Reagan, the

1:00

purpose of drama, what

1:06

do you say? It's calling to us to see the

1:08

world through the eyes of other people so that we

1:10

can expand the way that we look at things and

1:13

we can expand what we can understand. We talk about

1:15

Hollywood. We

1:17

talk about the future of the music industry. We

1:20

talk about political attitudes and how

1:22

they affect the entertainment world.

1:26

Join us for all that. So,

1:28

I think it was about a year ago that

1:30

I was in LA and Mark

1:33

Joseph showed me an

1:35

early cut of Reagan. It's

1:38

changed from them. Well,

1:40

I liked it. I'll tell you why

1:42

I liked it. I

1:44

liked the fact that the film

1:46

concentrated on Reagan's activity

1:49

as an anti-communist. Yeah, the warrior. I

1:51

thought that was wise. All of his

1:53

life. Yeah, right, right. All of his

1:55

life. And so, I thought that was

1:57

extremely interesting. And I thought it was

1:59

a wise choice to concentrate

2:01

on that specifically because

2:04

that's the right, what

2:07

would you say? That's the central story

2:10

with him as far as pertains to

2:12

the world. That is what he, you

2:16

know, almost single-handedly really, because if we'd

2:19

had another president in there, it would

2:21

have been business as usual. He

2:23

defeated communism. Yeah, well,

2:26

the Cold War. He defeated

2:28

it in its last iteration. It's

2:30

making a lovely comeback at the

2:32

moment. Well, we didn't, he

2:36

didn't help them. No, he certainly

2:38

didn't. No, no, I agree. Yeah, and

2:41

I thought the film did a very good job of concentrating

2:45

on what truly was central about his presidency.

2:47

And I think that is what was central.

2:49

And it was daring. And as you said,

2:52

he had committed his whole life to it.

2:54

And so that was interesting. I also, I

2:57

also thought the movie was interesting from

3:00

a narrative perspective, because it kind of

3:02

harken, it was a classic Hollywood movie,

3:04

like it harken back to me, for

3:07

me, to the kinds of movies that were made in the 1950s and

3:09

the 1960s. Like it's unabashedly pro-American,

3:13

but not in a way that hits you

3:15

over the head. But it's also, it doesn't

3:17

have that kind of cynical bitterness that's characteristic

3:20

of much of the

3:22

productions of popular culture, really since the

3:25

1970s. And so that was nice to

3:27

see. And, and it was,

3:30

it was pleasant to be carried away by

3:32

a movie that was, it wasn't

3:34

like an Oliver movie

3:37

that Oliver would do, like about Nixon. Right.

3:39

Yeah. Right, right, right. Right. So, so how

3:42

did you get involved in that project? And

3:44

why were you interested in it?

3:47

I took a

3:49

meeting, I think this was like 2017, that I

3:51

heard these people,

3:55

they want you to play Reagan. And I

3:57

was just like, sure. Right. Because

3:59

I, didn't think I looked

4:01

like Reagan or the

4:04

only thing we had in common was that we were actors. So

4:10

I went and had a meeting with Mark. And

4:13

so it was a process, you know, because he

4:17

was my favorite president. I will

4:19

already. Yeah. And I

4:22

had to live through those times and knew what they

4:24

were. He was the first president. I

4:27

did vote for Jimmy Carter in 76, regretted it. But

4:31

in 1980, I voted for Ronald Reagan.

4:34

My dad was a huge Reagan fan.

4:36

And I voted for him

4:38

and went

4:40

home. And my roommate at that time

4:45

from Texas, he said, who did you vote for?

4:47

And I said, Ronald Reagan, he said, you are

4:49

kicked out of the hippies. Yeah,

4:51

definitely. So that was like, yeah, for sure.

4:53

And I'm not the hippie club anymore. So

4:55

you're the warmonger. How old were you when

4:58

you voted for

5:00

Reagan? I was 26. 26.

5:04

Okay. So you were old enough to have

5:06

some sense, but you could have easily still

5:08

been a hippie. So I wouldn't

5:11

have voted for Reagan when

5:13

I was back then. I was still being

5:15

too entranced by the blandishments

5:17

of the left. So why wasn't that at

5:19

that time? Yeah, yeah. Well,

5:22

like I said, I had voted for

5:24

Jimmy Carter about that. And then after,

5:27

which reminds me very much, those times remind

5:30

me very much of what's going on today.

5:33

There's this malaise that Carter

5:35

had his malaise speech. The country

5:38

had lost confidence in itself

5:47

about who we are. We was kind of

5:49

accepted that we were a nation in decline.

5:53

It was after Watergate. It was after

5:56

Vietnam. The oil crisis. The

5:58

oil crisis. And

6:01

yeah, Jimmy Carter was like

6:04

we tried to be and play nice with the

6:06

Soviets during that time That's you know as far

6:08

as peace Jimmy Carter did a great job with

6:12

in the Middle East with Egypt and Israel, but he

6:16

Would it came to the Soviets? It was like we

6:18

gave away the B1 bomber For

6:22

nothing in return and we kept for

6:25

nothing in return just to show our goodwill

6:27

I guess and It's the

6:30

way the real politic works in the

6:32

world They just were they were

6:34

doing the biggest military buildup and we're

6:36

making They were going

6:38

into Africa. They were all over

6:40

the world. They were making great strides into

6:43

Central America and the like and Wagon

6:49

who had always been you know, this

6:51

kind of Cold War and and

6:54

Great communicator came along and tell people

6:57

that like pick yourself up you

7:00

know, there's a brighter day ahead and It

7:03

was the perfect time for him right he

7:06

also had a very stark message Which was

7:08

that and very forthright which

7:10

was unapologetically that the Soviets were

7:12

an evil Empire. Yeah, which they

7:15

Certainly were and so he put

7:17

his finger on that perfectly and

7:19

so yeah, that was all by design He didn't talk to

7:21

the Soviets for the first six years of

7:23

his presidency because they kept dying on him

7:27

That's right. They were they were elect

7:29

they were putting forward like one 90

7:31

year old after another Right. There's a

7:33

sequence of them that lasted about six

7:35

months in office, right? But it been

7:37

up until his presidency it had been

7:39

a piece man With

7:43

the Soviets think Kennedy did

7:45

a really great job of it. Nixon was

7:47

actually no matter what you think of him

7:50

Personally, he was is

7:52

probably had the the

7:55

most knowledgeable world affairs President

7:58

we've ever had But

8:01

Carter, he tried to be

8:04

a nice guy. He

8:06

was an agreeable person. The same

8:08

way he personally got together, Sadat

8:11

and Begin, which he did a great job of.

8:14

The thing is being empathic and warm

8:17

and compassionate, that works real well

8:19

with people who are honest and decent.

8:21

And at the local level. Yeah, right,

8:23

and at the local level. That's exactly

8:26

right. That's right. That's a within family

8:28

ethic. Right. With the

8:30

real thugs, it's not the right approach.

8:32

They don't think you're a sheep. These

8:34

players in the world seem they're all

8:37

badasses. And

8:39

that's one of the attractions that I had

8:41

for Reagan. And at least, you know, he's

8:43

a badass, but he's my badass. Yeah, yeah,

8:46

yeah, and a principled person. A

8:48

principled person. Right, which was a remarkable thing

8:50

also to pull off, I would say, in

8:52

Hollywood, because I'm sure that he was subject

8:55

to the same temptations that people are generally

8:57

subject to in Hollywood. Yes,

9:00

and I'm

9:03

sure gave into quite a few of

9:05

those temptations. He was a human being,

9:08

but he always

9:10

picked himself up. He was, you

9:13

know, his movie

9:15

career, he was, I think he was disappointed

9:17

in his film career. He

9:20

was a B movie actor, and the

9:22

films were never quite up to what

9:28

they should be. You know, it's kind of

9:30

like he could have

9:32

been John Wayne, but John, it

9:35

was already John. Yeah, right. The niche was there. And,

9:37

you know, that

9:40

he was married to Jane Wyman, whose

9:42

career went like this, and

9:44

his just kind of stayed there.

9:48

And he became

9:52

vice president and then president of the

9:54

Screen Actors Guild during

9:58

that time. career

10:00

was fading, really.

10:03

And it's

10:07

there that his real

10:09

fight against communism started,

10:11

you know, even though it was kind of rumored, you

10:14

know, you've got to be crazy, but they really, after

10:17

the Soviet Union fell, come to find you

10:19

go to the archives, come to find out

10:21

they really were in

10:24

our unions, especially in Hollywood.

10:26

And yeah, well, it's, it's, you

10:28

don't want to, Reagan actually had

10:30

physical scars on his back from

10:34

finance. He got,

10:36

he got seriously beat up

10:38

in a brawl that the

10:40

Union Hall, in

10:42

fact, from that, and he had scars on his

10:44

back. And so he, he didn't

10:46

like, he didn't like

10:48

communism. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's

10:50

easy for us. Well, I think still

10:53

we're blind to the threat. I mean, I see

10:55

in all of this, university

10:57

uprising that's occurring now, and all

10:59

of these bad actors who are

11:02

protesting constantly in inner cities and

11:04

setting up encampments and building

11:06

these like independent cities. There's

11:09

a there's a stream of thought underneath

11:11

that that's, well, it's,

11:13

it's, it's very much akin

11:15

to the Marxist stream. Yeah,

11:17

that's dream is you get into

11:20

the society into the unions or

11:22

whatever is you start creating mayhem.

11:24

Yeah. And chaos. Yeah, you put

11:26

one at this corner, this corner,

11:28

this corner, and then you start

11:30

creating this mayhem. And from that,

11:33

you start confusing people, they feel like they

11:35

can't do anything about it, and it starts

11:37

to grow on its own. And

11:40

Reagan didn't want to expel

11:44

communists or even the communist party,

11:46

but he was principled in that way,

11:49

because he felt like democracy can handle

11:51

it. In fact, that's what he testified,

11:53

you know, at, at

11:55

Congress during during that time during the time

11:57

of the Red Scare and all that. I

12:00

guess that's what we're trying to figure out right

12:02

now too whether democracy can handle it democracy can

12:05

handle it It really can't what

12:07

it takes is for is for

12:09

people to be informed

12:11

be aware and and You

12:16

know, it's slow it's slow to move but

12:19

people got to get involved. Yeah Yeah,

12:21

and I do feel that pendulum happening

12:23

in this country now that people

12:26

are Waking

12:28

up you feel that because it

12:30

affects them in their house in

12:32

their house in their neighborhoods The

12:39

the structure of and the substructure of

12:42

society, you know kind of breaking down

12:45

little by little and Where

12:48

you don't feel safe anymore. You don't this is

12:52

This is not the way I remember it So

12:55

how did you figure that out in

12:57

your early in your mid-20s? I

12:59

mean, I would suspect that the

13:01

milieu you were in was pretty

13:04

radical radically progressive radically liberal What

13:07

how was it that you came to be oriented in

13:10

that more conservative direction or particularly

13:12

in the anti-communist direction? I'm

13:15

an independent. I've never been a Republican

13:17

or been a Republican Party or

13:19

the Democratic Party and I've I

13:21

voted both ways All

13:24

of my life according to what I thought The

13:28

country needed at that time,

13:30

you know the Republicans and Democrats is

13:32

you know They

13:35

need each other. Yes. Yeah,

13:37

they did the Republicans need

13:39

the Democrats but because of this

13:41

social thing and it at

13:44

the South air to To

13:46

to kind of lead the way progressively.

13:48

Do you know we move along society

13:51

and the Democrats need Republicans to Kind

13:54

of keep a little governor on that make sure

13:56

that we grow the right way and that you

13:58

know that we don't leave

14:01

behind principles and

14:04

things that are at the bedrock of

14:06

who we are. So it's

14:08

been both ways. So

14:11

let's go, let's go back to the, to, to Reagan

14:13

per se. So you had an, you had a meeting

14:15

you said in 2017 and you weren't sure that that

14:18

was a part that was right for you. I

14:21

thought when I watched the movie that

14:23

you embodied Reagan remarkably well. Well,

14:26

thank you. I appreciate that. At the time, I

14:28

guess, tell you the truth. What really is it

14:30

like this fear would up

14:32

my spine. Oh, okay. Because he's

14:35

one of the most recognizable

14:38

figures in the world. Right.

14:40

It's a big part to screw up. Yeah. And,

14:43

uh, you know, that's, so

14:46

I was, I was really hesitant about it. And,

14:49

you know, I also wanted to make sure it

14:51

was done right. And, and, you know, what it

14:53

was. And, uh, I, so,

14:57

uh, I, they

14:59

arranged for me to go up to the

15:01

library, which I went to, and from there

15:03

we went to, uh, I

15:06

met a son, Michael as well.

15:09

And we went to the ranch and

15:11

it was when I went up

15:13

to the ranch, you know,

15:15

the, what was the Western white house

15:18

back then above Santa Barbara and

15:21

went up. Five miles to

15:24

the top of the mountain, five

15:26

miles of the worst road in

15:28

California. And I can't

15:30

believe the queen of England actually tried to go up. She

15:33

was a tough cookie. That woman. But, uh,

15:36

you get to the top and he opens

15:39

up and I

15:43

realized that Reagan was not a rich man

15:46

because this place is, is like, it's

15:49

nothing special. And how special it

15:51

is. I mean, the house itself was

15:54

maybe 1200 square feet. You

15:57

Know, uh, it. They had a team

15:59

size bed. Everything was left exactly as

16:01

they left it. Is not a

16:03

it's not It Took place Asian tour.

16:06

Who is the odds? Private homes and.

16:09

Their king size bed but it was to

16:11

single beds that were zip tie dealer who's.

16:14

Yeah, all the. That

16:16

the refrigerator to stove is t

16:19

he does he work for g

16:21

in Syria ideal on that add

16:23

and tell that he had done

16:26

all the work themselves just like

16:28

the legend and sad and. But.

16:31

It's the reserves humblest, oh it at

16:33

the same time. but he was not

16:35

a rich family, made a lot of

16:37

people reds and does. But.

16:40

Job. He. Was.

16:43

Really? Who. Dissented months.

16:47

And. That was the

16:49

saying. They really can convince me. That.

16:52

The time. And starts

16:54

a well. you know we're both actors.

16:56

We both have a sunny disposition. Set.

16:58

Of optimistic about. The. World.

17:02

And. The something

17:04

about him though that other that's running

17:06

with matthew that that sunny disposition because.

17:09

You're you're not a time a wide

17:11

eyed deer in headlights sorted Guys, you

17:13

know it's It's very interesting to see.

17:16

That. Sunny disposition. Combined

17:18

with something more like what you

17:20

say traditional masculinity enough slightly when

17:23

rigid managed to right to Sousa.

17:25

He had enough pack own obviously to

17:27

stand up to the Communists and the

17:29

Union address. Please verify that? Yeah, right.

17:31

Exactly an immense out the up and

17:33

so. Fear. But. Fear

17:36

though says as there was also. In.

17:41

Injury in to emphasize that

17:44

your what really. Fascinates.

17:46

Me about acting isn't more and more

17:48

so as if is what makes people

17:50

sick. For whom and who are the

17:52

reasons behind some. What you

17:54

think? you know. Emote.

17:57

That's with the in the motivations. Go back.

18:00

We back to is something and Reagan that

18:02

was unknowable. I come to find

18:04

out and even those that were close to

18:06

him. Ah,

18:09

Would. Say that. Death. I

18:12

didn't don't even have Reagan was

18:14

aware of it. Limbers something. The

18:16

great communicator. There was a very

18:18

private place in there. That.

18:21

He could not breach. I'm sure

18:24

that Nancy. Knew

18:26

what that was. That he

18:29

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19:43

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19:45

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19:48

something singular about stuff. Like

19:50

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19:52

Would you say integrity and vision?

19:55

That. Enabled him to see. The.

19:57

true nature of the communist threat early

20:00

to fight that locally and to learn how to

20:02

do it. And then to take that

20:04

battle onto the international stage,

20:06

to make that the

20:08

focal point of his president. Yeah, even

20:10

when it was really not the issue.

20:13

Right. Right. If like both people were

20:15

over here about that, he was, that's

20:19

what makes a great president. Just when they

20:21

can point out because they have all the

20:23

info. And they

20:25

can say, it's here that we need to

20:27

go. Yeah. And

20:31

convince people that what

20:33

it is to go in the right direction, remind them of

20:35

the principles. And not

20:38

just the issue of the

20:40

day. Right.

20:43

Well, that's something like. To get folks.

20:45

Right, exactly. Well, that's something like a

20:47

prophetic spirit, right? That ability to see

20:50

the current situation clearly and to see into

20:52

the future and to put your finger exactly

20:54

in the right spot. And it

20:57

is, it isn't the case, generally

20:59

speaking, that American presidencies

21:01

are founded on, say, a

21:04

foreign policy vision. Right. Foreign

21:06

policy is important, obviously, but it's usually

21:08

not central. And it's much easier for

21:11

a president to default to some fast

21:14

payoff local issue and to do that

21:16

continually rather than to fight

21:19

the battle he fought, which he really fought

21:21

for decades. Right. Literally for decades. It was

21:23

the first to say no to the Soviets.

21:26

But his take was

21:29

so brilliant. And it

21:31

was disguised. And because

21:34

his idea, and it wasn't originally

21:36

his idea, it

21:38

was from a lot of reading,

21:40

research, and just

21:42

time spent, he

21:48

thought the answer was to bankrupt the Soviets.

21:51

Their economy is minuscule

21:53

even today to what ours

21:56

is. They had done so much

21:58

military spending. They were really, you

22:00

know, things were so bad over there for their,

22:03

for the Soviet people in lines just

22:05

to get food and this

22:08

and that. And that, he came

22:10

up, he comes up with Star Wars,

22:12

which didn't really exist. He got the

22:15

idea from the movie, you

22:17

know, about lasers, you know,

22:20

they're going to shoot down missiles in

22:22

space. You know, it

22:24

didn't exist. And

22:26

Russians knew it didn't exist. At

22:29

least 90%. They

22:32

knew it didn't exist, but it was that

22:34

10% that Reagan made

22:36

him think about it. He didn't, he didn't

22:39

back off of it at all. And

22:41

so, but it, that, and that's what,

22:44

that's a weird blend of action and thought. Yeah,

22:46

that really tore them up. And

22:49

so they were on this military spending

22:51

and it finally, they just, you

22:53

know, it just toppled. That's

22:56

really what brought the Soviet Union down. Yeah.

23:00

Well, that's, that's a remarkable climax to

23:02

a lifespan that, you

23:04

know, that originated in local fighting with

23:06

the communists in the unions in Hollywood.

23:09

Yeah. Yeah. So how did you

23:12

prepare to like, how much work

23:14

did you do biographical work and so forth?

23:16

I don't know exactly how you would prepare. A lot

23:18

of it, I, yeah, a lot of it I'd lived

23:20

through that. I'd lived through the times. Yeah. I

23:23

had a lot to do it. And I was the history buff to begin with. So

23:26

like, you know, I remember

23:28

the stuff, but I, I

23:30

watched YouTube was

23:33

really great because you have all of those,

23:36

you have everything. You can go

23:38

back and, and, and see.

23:43

And you know, what do you get the,

23:45

I work outside in a lot. So

23:48

I worked on the

23:51

physical as a person walks, talks,

23:55

and then from that it goes inside and

23:57

I realized why that is. it's

24:00

like Reagan had like a perfect smile. Yeah,

24:03

right. Like, Oh, yeah, that's good. Kind of

24:05

held like that. Right. And there was, and

24:09

after you do that a while, you

24:11

realize, well, why is that? And it's, Oh,

24:13

yeah, that's why you look like him. That's got

24:16

to be there's some muscles

24:18

that are deadened in

24:21

his face. Yeah. From what I

24:24

don't know, but that's, you

24:26

know, that leads you to the the inside of of

24:29

a person of where they

24:31

came from. And the way he

24:33

walked the way he the

24:36

way a person grooms themselves the way

24:38

they you know, the image

24:40

they put out and then there's what

24:44

really when you get down to this, the outside and

24:46

you have all the news stories and stuff. But I

24:48

talked to a lot of people knew

24:51

him personally. And

24:54

yeah, and I

24:57

think that's really where it formed.

24:59

I didn't want to do an impersonation. That's

25:01

the thing that scared me. Yeah,

25:04

I think of doing an impersonation.

25:06

What's the difference? The

25:09

first impersonation is an act, you

25:11

know, it's like something you'd see

25:13

on Saturday night. The getting

25:15

down to who the person is, the real

25:17

person is quite

25:20

another thing. The personal

25:23

side, it really humanizes them.

25:25

Yeah, it makes them

25:27

singular. And I like to get

25:31

a part of a real person of which I played many

25:33

I'd like to tell tell

25:37

it their story from their

25:39

point of view. Yeah. Yeah,

25:41

yeah. Well, not from the outside about what we

25:43

thought of them and not for me to really

25:46

try not to comment too much. I try to tell

25:48

it from their point of view. What is it like?

25:51

The question is, what if I

25:54

mean, were this person? Yeah.

25:57

In this situation. Right? Well, that's also what you're

25:59

transmitting. to the audience, right, that opportunity.

26:02

So part

26:06

of the reason that we go to see movies is because

26:10

by watching the people on

26:12

screen and by noting their

26:14

characterization, we can adopt their aim.

26:18

And as soon as we adopt our

26:20

emotions orient themselves around aim.

26:22

And so if you can embody a character's aim, exactly.

26:25

If you can, or

26:27

if you can characterize a person's aims, then

26:29

you can invite the audience to adopt their

26:31

perspective, right? And that means they can live

26:34

being Reagan, for example, in

26:36

the course of the movie. Absolutely.

26:39

And so, okay, so, so

26:42

how long did you play Reagan? And what

26:44

was the effect of that on you? Like,

26:46

I'm curious, when you embody these characters so

26:48

deeply, it has to, because

26:51

you're really occupying a different perspective.

26:54

It has to change you, I

26:56

would presume. You

26:59

know, I find myself like never really asking

27:01

that question. I,

27:05

it's something to me, it's

27:07

about learning about, it's

27:10

about learning about myself. Yeah, I

27:12

don't know how exactly how to

27:14

sometimes articulate that. But,

27:18

and I leave, I leave, I

27:21

have learned to just leave the character at

27:23

the end of the day, at the end

27:25

of the take, in fact,

27:28

just like, go

27:30

do something else. Right, right. Because I've already,

27:32

it's kind of like osmosis, I've already done

27:34

all the work, and now

27:36

just let the subconscious work.

27:39

Right, right. So you can leave it. See,

27:41

that's one of the things that you learn

27:43

as a therapist is to, because you're listening

27:45

to people, trying to adopt their perspective. But if

27:48

you take that home with you, then you

27:50

can't manage it over time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

27:52

They have happened to me. You know, I

27:54

learned that when I played Jerry Lee Lewis.

27:57

Oh, yeah. Well, to tell you about that. I

28:00

didn't believe that. Yeah,

28:02

it's a set. Take the truth.

28:04

And that was great balls of fire. Yeah, it was

28:06

great balls of fire. And so, you

28:09

know, I wound up at the end about six

28:11

months after it came out.

28:14

Or maybe a year. Yeah. I was in rehab. Oh,

28:17

okay. School. I see. I see.

28:20

And then, and, and there

28:23

was a manner in which that was directly attributable to

28:25

playing that character. Yeah. I mean, what did they do?

28:27

Make you manic? Like, what did it do? No, well,

28:29

I was kind of already kind of, you know, yeah.

28:34

I was already kind of along the path

28:36

and that just, uh,

28:38

Jerry D. Lewis is like everything on steroids.

28:40

Right. Right. Right. Man. That's how

28:43

you played him too. I mean, that's a very high

28:45

energy character, man. Yeah. He was kind

28:47

of, what a great pianist.

28:51

And, uh, and yeah, performer.

28:53

Yeah. He was one that I got to like

28:56

hang around. Uh,

28:59

he was on the set just about every day. Oh yeah.

29:01

In fact, we shot at Memphis and he

29:04

was, uh, over my

29:06

shoulder going, you did wrong, son. Like,

29:09

uh, after a good take,

29:11

especially the music stuff. But

29:14

you know, he was also very generous. See,

29:16

he would, uh, he was one of my

29:18

piano teachers. I didn't play piano before that,

29:20

you know, just like, yeah. He was

29:24

one of my teachers and, uh, you know,

29:26

getting that left hand really was the key

29:28

to Jerry D. Lewis cause it's a very

29:30

athletic move of being able

29:33

to keep that up. And I had a year

29:35

to prepare for it and,

29:37

and, and

29:39

that was on cocaine. So I

29:41

spent 12 hours at the, at the

29:44

piano, you know, during that. So

29:47

that, uh, um, but

29:51

it's, uh, I still play, you know, I continued afterwards.

29:53

And, uh, well, that's a good habit you picked. Yeah.

29:55

That was the, that was the good that came from

29:57

it. Cause it was, you know, that was a. great

30:00

gift from him. And he

30:02

was, he could be really

30:05

so generous of spirit. And

30:07

then he could be like a 14 year old schoolyard

30:10

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32:00

business. You've got to be in the

32:02

construction business. You've got to be hard-nosed

32:05

for all that stuff. Because you know,

32:07

it's like you gotta watch it. Yeah,

32:10

that's for sure. You can take it. He

32:13

built a building for a friend of mine in Chicago, like

32:16

a multi-hundred million dollar building. He brought it

32:18

in under budget and before scheduled, and that

32:20

was in Chicago. But he's very sweet at

32:23

the same time. He can be that. I

32:31

look at his kids. You know, he

32:36

did a great job raising his kids. You

32:38

look at it. They are, they

32:40

themselves are very principled and

32:43

a great relationship with him.

32:45

Yeah, right. Yeah, I mean, in a way,

32:47

I mean, you can't say the same thing

32:50

about Reagan. There

32:52

was, you know, we try not to be like a

32:57

love letter for this. You know, because

32:59

he was human. Yeah. At the same

33:01

time. And he, you

33:05

know, he didn't have

33:07

the greatest relationship with his kids. Was

33:11

he too preoccupied? Well, his son, you know,

33:13

his younger son, Ron, takes

33:17

every opportunity he can to talk

33:22

against them and to

33:24

really try to

33:26

tear apart the legacy of his father and his mother. And

33:33

Michael, Michael and he, that's who he

33:35

had. They

33:39

have a good, decent

33:41

relationship. He and Michael

33:43

do. And, you know, Patty,

33:47

I can't really, I

33:49

can't speak for any of them really. And

33:52

I'm sure they all have their personal reasons for

33:55

that. But he wasn't around

33:57

much because we're in the studio.

34:00

working for GE was always gone. It comes

34:03

from that generation that you

34:06

grew up in. You were pretty

34:08

independent and on your own as

34:10

a kid. Like

34:12

the way I grew up, my parents, it

34:16

wasn't like the 90s that

34:18

were your helicopter parents

34:20

or really, people

34:23

were living at home until they were 25 and

34:25

stuff like that. You were, a lot

34:28

of cases, you grew up on a farm, you were like 14,

34:30

15. It's like you

34:33

need to go find

34:36

your own life. But anyway, that was

34:38

the relationship. I think there

34:42

was a distance there, I

34:44

think, with his kids. Yeah,

34:48

well, it's hard for men to strike a balance

34:51

between doing what they need to do in the

34:53

world and being around enough for their family. Yeah,

34:55

I mean, I struggle with that all the time

34:57

because I'm always traveling and stuff and I try

34:59

to be there as much for my kids. But

35:02

parental guilt follows you no matter what. And

35:05

it's just always there no matter how good

35:08

a parent or present

35:10

parent you might be. So

35:13

what do you make of his flaws? Like

35:15

how would you characterize them? You

35:18

spent a long time inhabiting his skin. Like

35:20

we talked about Reagan as someone

35:23

who had a long term vision, who was very

35:25

committed to it, who was very good at communicating

35:27

that in a way that was compelling, and who,

35:29

well, who was one of the main

35:31

players in the devastation of the Soviet Union. Or I

35:34

would say him, Alexander Solzhenits and

35:36

then the Pope, or maybe

35:38

you could throw Lechri-Leste in there too, as

35:41

an additional contributor. They're not the only people,

35:43

obviously, they're the major players. It

35:47

was like that was in concert, all

35:50

with the Pope and Lechri-Leste. It was

35:52

all in concert with the

35:55

United States. They wouldn't have been doing what they did

35:57

if you hadn't had the support from the United States.

36:00

that they had, you

36:02

know, and, um,

36:06

but, uh, the,

36:08

uh, the flaws with

36:11

everybody's, everybody's flawed. You know, I

36:13

think like early, like his

36:15

movie career, I don't think he, I

36:18

don't think he believed in himself as so

36:20

much when he came to the, I think

36:22

that's why he accepted more second rate scripts.

36:24

Yeah. I think he was just out there

36:27

like, um, work for a

36:29

living, you know, and it takes, you

36:31

got to, um, you got

36:33

to be willing to wait for things at the same

36:35

time. I mean, that must be

36:37

a good thing to get right. I've

36:39

done stuff for money in these, uh, we

36:41

had done that. Yeah, but you know,

36:43

luckily I've been able to get through it. Yeah.

36:47

And, um, you know, also

36:49

remember, uh, like

36:51

in Iceland, the wind,

36:53

uh, you know, the final

36:55

meeting with, uh, or the, the

36:58

meeting with Gorbachev about, we were

37:00

going to like dismantle nuclear weapons

37:04

and Gorbachev had

37:06

said, you know, we'll

37:08

dismantle all nuclear weapons.

37:11

Just give up Star Wars. And

37:14

Reagan said, no, right. And

37:16

Star Wars didn't even really exist. And,

37:19

uh, you know, and he'd

37:21

offered his, he'd offered to Gorbachev, we'll

37:23

share the technology with you so that

37:26

we both have it said

37:29

to know that. And, but Reagan

37:31

said, no. And

37:35

I thought at that, at that time,

37:37

his presidency, I thought that, um,

37:42

there's that old codger coming

37:44

up, you know, that won't, that won't

37:46

bend and that, you know, I didn't

37:49

think it was finessed, uh,

37:51

the right way. I mean, I wasn't

37:53

there, but you know, it went down. And

37:56

then also it's, I think

37:58

he delegated a lot, which. was kind

38:00

of a strength in that he was an ad

38:02

man, you know, as president showed us what

38:06

kind of presidents he was the best Kennedy was

38:08

also great at it. But as far as being

38:10

representing a president as

38:13

an ad man, you know, image,

38:16

he was really good at but he delegated a

38:18

lot. And I think he wasn't

38:21

able like an Iran, Iran,

38:23

Contra, he wasn't able to

38:25

really keep his finger

38:31

and to really be

38:33

aware of what was going on. He was delegated

38:35

and I don't think

38:37

he had direct knowledge of it. You

38:40

know, once he said, okay, I like

38:42

these guys, then there's AIDS, AIDS was

38:44

another thing that I think he really,

38:47

you can fault him with he made

38:49

the wrong decision on AIDS. He

38:53

really portrayed it from the start as

38:58

that a punishment from God on for

39:01

the sin of being gay, because it was

39:03

right, really recognized as

39:05

a gay disease or a

39:08

pure drug addict. And, and,

39:13

you know, he was, in that case,

39:17

I think he was out of touch and

39:21

missed the boat. Yeah,

39:24

on that. But

39:27

you know, it's, you still

39:29

have men at principles, but you know, sometimes people

39:32

have their faults. And that's, of course, there

39:34

is no purpose. Well, it's worse than that.

39:37

In some ways, there's no perfect crime. Well,

39:39

also, sometimes I

39:41

learned this from reading Nietzsche. It was the first time

39:43

I really thought about it that it

39:46

isn't exactly obvious that someone's faults

39:48

are clearly distinguishable

39:50

from their virtues. I mean,

39:52

you look at Trump, for example, right?

39:54

He's got that bully aspect and he's really good

39:56

at it. Like he's like the world's best 13

39:58

year old bully. you with a

40:00

nickname and he's so good at that. He'll use

40:02

what you said and turn around and make a

40:04

nickname of it. He'll make fun of handicapped

40:07

people. There's

40:10

been so many times where I just want

40:12

to say, please, be quiet.

40:14

Why do you have to go there? Part

40:17

of that, I can't help but

40:19

think that part of that is also what

40:21

makes him intimidating to people like the dictator

40:24

of North Korea. Exactly. If

40:28

he was agreeable like Jimmy Carter, Jimmy Carter

40:30

was a very nice man by all appearances

40:33

and by all reputation. But he's not

40:35

the sort of person that a real

40:38

psychopathic leader is going to take seriously.

40:40

Whereas Trump, and maybe this

40:42

is also why he could deal with the mafia

40:44

types in the construction industry in Chicago. You

40:46

have to have a touch of Harry Potter.

40:49

You have to have a touch of the devil inside

40:51

you in order to understand what the devil's like. Our

40:54

allies take

40:56

care of their self-interest first. And

41:00

if that doesn't happen to coincide with us, they're

41:02

still going to look after themselves first. And

41:05

then you have Saddam

41:07

Hussein. The

41:10

ayatollahs, you have Putin, you have the

41:13

Chinese. They

41:18

are smart. These

41:22

are really smart people and they

41:24

know real politics and they are

41:26

ruthless when it comes to their

41:30

agendas. And

41:32

these have been going on a lot

41:34

longer than one president. These

41:37

guys are in there for life and

41:39

they've taken a little Kim

41:41

over there in North Korea.

41:43

This is like the third

41:45

generation since the grandfather, the

41:47

father, and the son. And

41:53

they're moving on these things. It's

41:56

not just talk from them. You have

41:58

to take them. It

42:00

looks to me like you need someone with a

42:02

certain degree of I did as far

42:04

as like, like, let's all be

42:06

so understanding. Yeah. Everything. They love that.

42:08

Yeah. Yeah. They love that.

42:11

Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely.

42:13

Well, this is the problem with a kind

42:15

of a naive agreeableness is that. Trying

42:18

to get along with people works really

42:20

well, unless you're dealing with the shark

42:22

in which case it doesn't work at

42:24

all. All you're doing is laying yourself

42:26

open to be ripped to shreds. Yeah.

42:28

This way it's always been, and you're

42:30

going to make things worse. Yeah. By

42:32

if you're trying to avoid war, you're

42:34

going to create one. Yeah. Because there's

42:36

just going to be this red line

42:38

that they come closer and closer to. If

42:41

you keep them over there, I say

42:43

don't cross that. Yeah. Yeah. But you keep

42:45

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42:47

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well, I think it's a remarkably. well,

43:50

I think Trump accomplished two things. That

43:53

were truly remarkable. And

43:55

I think very much

43:57

under appreciated. Oh.

44:01

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44:03

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you this is a little bit them up

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44:45

no wars and Abraham Forts is Alan Iverson,

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as was is fundamental achievement. Yeah, those

44:49

are both major achievements of peace. Yeah, which

44:51

is not nest. This is certainly not

44:53

what anybody would have predicted. As the onset

44:56

of Trump's present, everybody thought they'd. Be

44:59

a Reagan was gonna be a warm as

45:01

or he was tall that throughout his presidency

45:03

no matter what A and out and a

45:05

was specially what he was like saying go

45:08

to the Soviets are now It's like all

45:10

of the area of a dog. don't have

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a Brit have a war. but that's really

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what kept a sophomore at. Yeah. Definitely Definitely

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definitely several. The eighties were on. Sale.

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were more terrified of nuclear war and

45:24

eighties and were terrified now acquired a

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good reason to be there were there

45:28

was a least two incidents where it

45:30

was like that was a new I

45:32

know every they were seconds away from

45:34

pushing a button internet be a flock

45:37

of geese are you take to add

45:39

that the Korean? ah Airliner? Yeah that

45:41

the shutdown. This episode

45:43

instances they absolutely so

45:46

what's it been like.

45:48

That's been the consequences of. Your.

45:52

Political engagement? Maybe your political

45:54

stance? In relationship to

45:56

your career in Hollywood. I

46:00

am who I am as yeah. I

46:03

said idea of I. I'm. I'm.

46:07

An independent. I really truly

46:09

an independent Gonna have voted for Obama.

46:11

Wants a vote for Clinton? Wants. Voted

46:14

for asked for fucks of right

46:16

they get out. ah. Ah,

46:21

so it's is. I

46:24

have you ever get they'll be to why we were

46:26

doing reagan. Years

46:29

ever since we were doing and twenty twenty

46:31

and I was young. During cove it was

46:33

destined to the tried to cancel me twice.

46:36

Comes out that ah. Once.

46:39

Is over of. I

46:43

was doing a podcast around the time you

46:45

know and that. Forgot

46:47

what what outlet I was having

46:49

an interview with. It's. right

46:52

when cove it. Started. At

46:54

A and Trump was here

46:56

in those meetings. Beat. Up.

46:59

On television every day you're giving

47:01

updates about what was happening member

47:03

those times and up. Yeah.

47:06

It's been like or we're anything

47:08

Trump is handling. The

47:12

Crisis as said Love, You know? At

47:15

least he's there. Every

47:17

day. Is. It comes out

47:19

as a as said. He's

47:22

there every day. may not be

47:24

M P Make you are. Saying.

47:27

The right things or this or that. they get

47:29

away. It's his there every day at his dad.

47:33

Is. That's reassuring. In

47:35

a sea or leaders out there were doing

47:37

something about it and. And

47:40

over that. Ah,

47:44

He. Has he? He has

47:46

they were trying to like the day they

47:48

blew that up into. Does.

47:50

One time and then why we're doing a

47:52

film. There was this false story that came

47:55

out there says. That.

47:58

I had taken for huh? Thousand

48:00

dollars. From.

48:03

The Cdc through Trump's

48:05

to do a. Commercial

48:08

for the vaccine or something

48:10

like that. Which. Was

48:12

totally false. False narratives

48:15

and how ice yeah my son

48:17

was calling me up about like

48:19

a bench as although innocent people

48:21

yelling. And.

48:25

So view but I didn't cancel.

48:28

That is it was untrue to

48:30

be and so. I'm.

48:34

Flemish idea why you did, why you didn't

48:36

get canceled. I did. You

48:38

do something right? or didn't. I

48:41

get cancelled so why didn't it happens? you will

48:43

because they were armed guards. I don't I, I

48:45

I I don't have is it. It's.

48:49

I went on Instagram immediately and.

48:51

You know, exposed in my

48:53

area said. But. Right?

48:55

So there was small but no fire. Yeah,

48:58

helpful. Is Adamant moves.

49:00

it's I've. Life

49:03

of a Mirror Am really are

49:05

neither. Neither. Side is

49:07

left in my at them from a time.

49:10

When. You had. Conservative.

49:13

Democrats? yeah, liberal republicans

49:15

and their agendas. We're

49:17

not so far apart,

49:20

really. And

49:22

I'm. Now. It's become

49:24

this. Deep

49:26

wide salads, And.

49:29

Will. Answer than fifty fifty. So

49:31

it's hardly get anything done. As

49:36

a weird thing you know from our spencer been

49:38

a time in Washington. And. Lot of

49:40

time talk the democrats and republicans and. I'm

49:43

I've had more success talking to Republicans. Frankly,

49:45

it's been easier for me to talk to

49:47

them, and I don't think it's because I'm

49:50

particularly. It's

49:52

certainly not initially conservatives in my orientation,

49:54

although I think I've become more conservative

49:56

in some ways. the

50:00

The Democrats, their

50:02

fundamental sin, as far as I can tell,

50:04

is that they can't draw a boundary at

50:07

all between the mainstream Democrats,

50:09

which are the majority and

50:12

the minority of radicals. Yeah, the inmates

50:14

are controlling the asylum. Absolutely. Well, and

50:16

these are exactly the same people as

50:18

far as I'm concerned that Reagan was

50:20

facing off against in the 1950s in

50:22

Hollywood. It's exactly the same

50:24

thing. And like I've

50:26

asked 50 Democrats that

50:28

I've talked to. When

50:31

does the left go too far? And I've

50:33

never got a straight answer from any of

50:35

them. And that's, that's, that God's honest truth,

50:37

right? It's like, well, obviously the left can

50:39

go too far, right? I mean, remember the

50:41

Soviet union, remember Maoist China. It's like they

50:43

went too far. When? I

50:46

asked RFK that he said, I don't

50:49

want to have that kind of divisive

50:51

campaign. Really brilliant, man. But

50:54

you asked him what? Well, I asked him when the

50:56

left goes too far. And he said,

50:58

I don't want to run that kind of divisive

51:00

campaign. It's like, well, you know, the radicals are

51:02

pulling your party to the left

51:05

to, in a major way, and

51:08

maybe it's time to draw some boundaries. Like

51:10

for me, I'm not a fan at all

51:12

of the equity moves, idea of equality of

51:14

outcome. That's like, that's a

51:16

catastrophic idea. It eliminates individual

51:19

difference. And why would

51:21

you do that? Especially if you're interested

51:23

in diversity, it's like, there can't be

51:25

equality of outcome if you want people to

51:27

be different, like those things don't go together

51:30

and you're going to compare people on absolutely

51:32

every dimension. And you're going to, you're just

51:34

only call. You're going to wind up handcuffing

51:37

and, you know, basically

51:39

coddling people before they,

51:41

they can't get ahead

51:43

because your life's tough

51:45

for everybody around

51:47

here. And I definitely, I

51:49

totally believe in a safety

51:51

net for socially, you

51:53

know, that wasn't originally part

51:56

of the constitution. What

51:59

it was, What The Government. Supposed to provide

52:01

but you're definitely add. To.

52:04

Do believe in that Ab Ab but

52:06

up. And.

52:09

But. Is there some

52:12

government sponsored programs a your back on

52:14

social Security? They say that were matter

52:16

how people get Eaglebank. The nineteenth century

52:18

in there was like. His

52:20

message? Yeah yeah yeah yeah. like.

52:23

This are all the stuff. Starts:

52:25

Wary of animals. Morgan says it's

52:28

Rockefellers and everything. And there was

52:30

the Carnegie. There exists, no. Checks

52:33

and balances on Wells said

52:35

they were against Carnegie was

52:37

rivals. For. the the the

52:39

government himself that he put a

52:42

molly gathered they favor of they

52:44

had more cash of the government

52:46

dead and there was no checks

52:48

and balances on and lot of

52:50

people. First. The

52:53

wind up them with you up in the

52:55

down here. And so

52:57

as a incident this those it. Came

53:02

and to being as social networks

53:04

and the democrats can't take credit

53:06

for all of know yeah Teddy

53:08

Roosevelt was very they are progressive

53:11

as republican and I'm. Going

53:14

to and of course add in

53:16

of this season. But

53:18

I've since emptied that is in go

53:20

too far. About.

53:25

And what is the point? In

53:28

the and it's seems to me when it

53:30

goes too far, it's when it's not about

53:32

what they're talking about. It's. About

53:35

power. Yeah, It's

53:37

it's. totally just about power.

53:39

Here I'll share of: If you don't care

53:41

what you're tearing down if you look at

53:44

the political spectrum like and distribution between left

53:46

and right as you get farther out on

53:48

the fringes, you get. Out. Of the

53:50

political I think in terms. Is.

53:52

That you get into the domain of people

53:55

who are using the political for nothing but

53:57

power there are very give their exactly the

53:59

psychopaths it. The Marxist agenda.

54:01

Any agenda. your create chaos and move

54:03

into that and and do it use

54:05

as yeah and it's all about compassion.

54:07

But as with what it's about, his

54:10

power right that houses the Cz up

54:12

the disguised as ever. For added the

54:14

Republicans have done as. As

54:17

well get up with I. Was

54:19

really very proud of the Republican party back

54:22

back in the nineties in and a sense.

54:25

They played. Can.

54:28

Be. The.

54:30

First moved. There. Is a way

54:32

out Like the his way they were. Who

54:35

is Clinton and. That.

54:39

He was think they weren't working together like

54:41

six that have been working together. And

54:44

it it seemed like. To

54:46

me like a power move on the republican.

54:50

Party Send Us Back In the Nineties. In

54:52

are you going to the eighties into the

54:54

nineties? So I adjusted

54:56

his. Last year I did a seminar

54:58

on Exodus. On Story:

55:01

Moses and Moses Dark Temple.

55:03

Leader. And his. Fundamental

55:06

Temptation and flies pop. Right?

55:09

So it's always the case, and in the political

55:11

realm. The.

55:14

Temptation is to default power and

55:16

to props and sounds like an

55:18

appointment Get else to see Did

55:20

something which is not a question.

55:23

That because he lied about exist

55:25

in the go into like the

55:27

Republicans pounds the be impeached. That

55:30

yeah, a peach. Them examples of the

55:32

yellow. a play for power. At

55:35

get out as. He

55:39

has a failed ultimately in that scene

55:41

of times are soaked for it's add

55:43

and want Dad for Nasa Was very

55:45

good about. He

55:47

joked that two years into his presidency

55:49

he was like Doc he was. He

55:51

wasn't gonna make it said for the

55:53

second. Like six times are bad. And

55:56

yeah that is that he threw

55:59

so pregnant. I'm. So smart!

56:02

That. He basically absconded. The.

56:05

Republican Agenda. Flop.

56:08

Down and one stadium space

56:10

said the era of of

56:12

a welfare. In. This

56:14

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me return to Hollywood. If if

57:39

you don't mind, I'm. It

57:43

seemed to me to Hollywood took a walloping

57:45

blow calls. And then

57:47

site. And. As one

57:50

of the things I've noticed about myself as I used

57:52

to the movies all the time. and

57:54

to see if i love going to movies and

57:56

i'd gone to various you will be since com

57:58

it's kind of like I don't know if I got out

58:00

of the habit, something like that,

58:02

partly I used

58:05

to know where to get reliable reviews for

58:07

upcoming movies. Like I was in the stream,

58:09

I knew what was coming out of Hollywood.

58:11

I made plans to go see the movies.

58:13

That all disappeared. And now I don't

58:16

know how to get back to that. But I think- And

58:18

you're wondering, is it because of my age? Must

58:21

be. Yeah, yeah, well that could be too.

58:24

See, I don't know. Or is it just that way?

58:27

Well, I also don't know that.

58:29

And of course the media landscape is fragmented

58:31

too. And so it's hard to figure out

58:33

what courses you can rely on for information.

58:35

The way to advertise movies is nowhere near

58:37

what it used to be. Just like an

58:39

ad in the newspaper. Yeah, and that was

58:41

enough. Yeah, and then it became like TV

58:43

ads. And audiences could smell a movie. Yeah,

58:45

right. It was like so surprising. It

58:48

was just like, I remember for me personally, of

58:51

breaking away when that came out, it was

58:53

hard just to advertise or anything like that.

58:55

And we were driving to

58:57

the theater, and

59:00

you go for the opening of it on that

59:03

Friday. And there's a line around the box. Yeah,

59:05

yeah, yeah. Well, people are in the movie- How

59:07

do they know? Well, that's the thing is that

59:09

these things are very fragile. You know, is that

59:12

we never know what makes a whole enterprise

59:14

work. And if people are movie

59:17

fans, they're in the movie culture. They track

59:19

it. And if you break that, it's like-

59:21

That's gone. Yeah, well, yes. Okay, so you

59:23

feel that that's gone. You

59:25

don't see Roger Ebert on

59:28

television anymore. There

59:30

was the whole culture that went with it. Yeah,

59:32

yeah. That everybody watched. One

59:34

of those movies coming up and like, you know,

59:39

laying them out there, what they're about and

59:42

all that. And, you know- And

59:44

you knew months in advance. Really,

59:46

you know, great debates on what

59:49

they were about. Yeah. So

59:52

how do you view the current

59:54

reality and the potential future of

59:56

the film industry? Are

1:00:00

there still stars? That's the

1:00:02

thing. Who was the last movie star? Well

1:00:05

from what i've been able to understand the

1:00:07

only star truly standing. Leonardo

1:00:10

DiCaprio or That's

1:00:14

going too far back Leonardo Leo, have you yeah They're

1:00:18

still out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're

1:00:20

out there but they also My

1:00:23

sense too is that I

1:00:25

don't really know what to make of this that

1:00:27

there are they the last of a dying breed?

1:00:30

You know The news like

1:00:32

it's gone from It's

1:00:35

gone to social media. Yeah, that's where

1:00:37

the new movie stars are. I mean

1:00:39

Justin Bieber first star

1:00:43

Totally created on youtube. Yeah, you

1:00:45

know not that nowhere near the

1:00:47

the traditional way Yeah,

1:00:49

and then the actors now are

1:00:52

the same way. They have their their instagram

1:00:56

uh page they you know self

1:00:58

advertising and uh But

1:01:01

used to be back then movie

1:01:03

stars Like

1:01:05

you know going up and really until

1:01:08

the 80s 90s True

1:01:11

movie star you wouldn't do a

1:01:13

talk show on tv You

1:01:15

would avoid tv like to play right right

1:01:17

jack knickleson where you would never see him

1:01:19

on a talk show He'd do one interview

1:01:22

in a prestigious magazine. Whether it be time

1:01:24

Playboy, right whatever it was, right? That

1:01:26

was that's part of that protection of

1:01:29

Exactivity. Yeah, and you would you

1:01:32

know, some guy would spend a couple of

1:01:34

days with him or something But you really

1:01:36

wouldn't there was a mystery to him. Yeah.

1:01:38

Yeah So that when you went to the

1:01:40

theater really what makes a movie

1:01:42

star you go to the theater They

1:01:46

are a mystery. You don't know too

1:01:48

much really about their life Yeah, so

1:01:50

you don't want to live your own

1:01:52

life on them. Yeah, yeah, definitely. That's

1:01:54

that's what happens Yeah, you know

1:01:56

you see them for something inside you

1:02:00

Yeah, that's what makes a movie star.

1:02:02

Well, you actually don't want to know much about

1:02:04

the person like an actor And now it's like

1:02:06

you well, it got to

1:02:08

be that you just do everything

1:02:11

Yeah about everybody. Yeah, and that

1:02:13

brings them down to earth and that's not good if you're a

1:02:15

star Well, it doesn't

1:02:17

create mystery. Yeah, right But

1:02:19

it's that way I wonder too how much of it is the

1:02:21

fact that like when you and I grew up Being

1:02:25

on television was like that was a

1:02:27

remarkable and unlikely occurrence To be personally

1:02:29

on television even to know someone who

1:02:31

was on television the bandwidth was so

1:02:33

narrow and then the movies were above

1:02:35

that Yeah, yeah, it was easier to

1:02:37

be on TV than on the movies,

1:02:39

right? But now everyone is on TV

1:02:41

all the time Yeah, right and so

1:02:43

that that that's another borderline between the

1:02:45

public and actor that's disappeared It's like

1:02:47

everybody is video. Yeah the time they're

1:02:49

young. There's no going back. No, no,

1:02:51

no And and you

1:02:53

know Good things come out of it

1:02:56

Good thing. What do you see? That's good coming out of

1:02:58

it? Well for one thing there's this there's

1:03:01

really a broad communication And as

1:03:03

I guys people have taken over their own

1:03:05

stories Yeah, and like you could be like

1:03:07

me and choose not to participate Very

1:03:10

much, you know, I I mean I have an

1:03:12

Instagram page. I have a Facebook page and then

1:03:15

you know, I but I Know

1:03:18

I didn't grow up with it. So

1:03:20

it seems like a real chore to me. Yeah,

1:03:23

and Right, it's

1:03:25

not your culture. Yeah, and

1:03:27

I like face-to-face communication and

1:03:30

then I like this Yeah,

1:03:32

why why why do you know this it's

1:03:36

It's uh, it's a real it I

1:03:38

feel like I'm This

1:03:41

that is one good thing about today as

1:03:43

opposed to then It's that

1:03:45

you could do an interview like with a magazine

1:03:47

and you know, somebody was out to do. Yeah

1:03:51

So they kind of feel like they build you

1:03:53

up Yeah, you know you have this fall and

1:03:55

then you have the comeback. Let's say but like

1:03:58

this it's I'm

1:04:00

unfettered and I get

1:04:02

to represent myself in my way. YouTube's

1:04:05

great for that and podcasts are great

1:04:07

for that. And they really reward unfettered

1:04:10

communication. Like the people I've talked to,

1:04:12

anybody I've talked to on my YouTube

1:04:14

channel, politics or is false, they get

1:04:16

slaughtered. Like if they say what they

1:04:18

think. And it comes out very quickly. You find out who

1:04:20

people are, you can't hide so much. Yeah,

1:04:24

well, that's what Joe Rogan told me. He said, you

1:04:26

can tell if there's anything to anyone after about 20

1:04:28

minutes. You can, well,

1:04:31

people who are hollow, they're exhausted. Especially

1:04:33

in a podcast like Rogan's, which is

1:04:35

three hours long. It's like, there

1:04:38

better be some depth to

1:04:40

you to get through that conversation in

1:04:42

an interesting manner for three bloody hours.

1:04:45

They're kind of like, let's see what

1:04:47

happens. Like 30 years from now, when,

1:04:50

you know, some of this stuff

1:04:52

is gonna come back to haunt people. You

1:04:55

know, I mean, some of the things

1:04:57

that I did and thought or whatever, you

1:04:59

know, back in my teens, 20s,

1:05:03

man, I'm so glad it's not on YouTube. That's for sure,

1:05:05

man. I feel exactly the same

1:05:07

way. I can't imagine, you

1:05:10

know, I remember most of my

1:05:12

adolescents and my adolescent friends as really

1:05:15

a nonstop parade of stupid

1:05:17

decisions. Yeah, you should be able to

1:05:19

make those stupid decisions in private. Right,

1:05:22

that's for sure, man. The last thing

1:05:24

I would have wanted was video records

1:05:26

of that. For it to

1:05:28

be distributed around the school. I can't

1:05:30

imagine, like it was a difficult enough

1:05:33

enterprise trying

1:05:36

to negotiate the weird social world

1:05:38

of adolescence without having to be

1:05:40

absolutely terrified that some goddamn stupid

1:05:43

thing you did was going to

1:05:45

be permanently instantiated in

1:05:47

the minds of everybody in your town.

1:05:49

God, I just can't imagine what that

1:05:51

would be like. Terrible, terrible. Yeah,

1:05:54

and you just can't just move away from it because

1:05:56

it's in. Well, that's right. Well, that's right.

1:05:58

Well, one of the. wonderful things about human

1:06:01

memory is that we forget. Yeah.

1:06:03

Right? The remembering, that's not exactly

1:06:06

a miracle. Like things happened and so now

1:06:08

you know it. It's like, well, can you

1:06:10

forget? Can you put it behind you? Well,

1:06:12

not if it's permanently recorded. Yeah,

1:06:14

no, that's just, that's not good. Tell me

1:06:17

what you're working on now and what you

1:06:19

have in the future. Maybe what you're excited

1:06:21

about on the film front. Well,

1:06:24

I've started a production

1:06:27

company with

1:06:30

my wife and a business partner and

1:06:35

make films that

1:06:37

I really believe in and

1:06:39

that we all believe in as a company

1:06:41

and kind of

1:06:43

based on certain movies in

1:06:46

my career. Like

1:06:48

to me, like breaking away the right stuff,

1:06:50

the rookie, the parent trap, it's

1:06:52

a brand basically. And

1:06:57

that I want to do. And

1:07:00

part of that, we have a thing,

1:07:03

Diamondback, which is a film

1:07:05

I hopefully we're going to be shooting this year.

1:07:07

That very much like a movie from the 70s

1:07:12

that I've been working on. From

1:07:15

the 70s that I really believe

1:07:17

in. What's

1:07:20

the plot of Diamondback? It's

1:07:24

like Thunderbolt and Lightfoot. Or

1:07:28

a really great second poem movie.

1:07:30

It's like that. I see. And

1:07:33

it's modern at the same time. It takes place in the 60s. True

1:07:36

story. This kid who was in

1:07:38

the Marines, you know, stationed

1:07:41

in Quantico, gets out of the Marines. His

1:07:44

wife died while he was in

1:07:46

the Marines and they wouldn't let him go

1:07:50

home. She died of cancer.

1:07:52

And he's young and he's

1:07:54

just, it's

1:07:56

sort of like, Oswald. the

1:08:00

Marine, he got out and these

1:08:03

guys to get out of the military and they just kind of

1:08:06

like ramble around there. They

1:08:10

don't have a path. He wound up

1:08:13

robbing a bank. Really smart kid. He

1:08:15

wound up robbing a bank and

1:08:17

then robbed two banks in the same

1:08:19

day, same town. Well, and

1:08:22

for a penny and for a pound. And

1:08:26

what he was being sentenced, he got caught. It was

1:08:28

like in the desert. It was one of these chases

1:08:30

through the desert, which is like a modern Western. And

1:08:32

he told the judge what he

1:08:37

was sentenced that just give me

1:08:40

20 years because it doesn't matter because I'm

1:08:42

going to be getting out. I'm going to break

1:08:44

out. And then he did. And then

1:08:47

got caught again. He broke

1:08:49

out again. And he

1:08:51

eventually got, there was this one cop

1:08:53

that was chasing him and who came

1:08:56

like a father son thing. And

1:08:59

so he got involved with this case.

1:09:02

They wound up going like the third time. So

1:09:07

they shot each other in the

1:09:09

desert. And

1:09:11

right. So you got a sixties

1:09:13

adventure. You got a Western thing

1:09:15

going on. Antihero. It's an antihero.

1:09:17

A rebel hero turned antihero role,

1:09:19

which is very reminiscent of the

1:09:22

movies of the 70s. Are

1:09:24

you good at evaluating scripts? Yeah, I've read

1:09:26

enough of them. I know by page,

1:09:30

page 30 will really tell you, I mean,

1:09:32

I might be 15. I'll go, where's

1:09:35

this go? But page 30, if it

1:09:38

hadn't happened yet, it

1:09:41

ain't going to happen. And that's

1:09:43

how I choose movies. I read

1:09:45

a script and I am an

1:09:47

audience member with a

1:09:49

first time experience. Can you

1:09:51

imagine that? Of this story. Yeah. And it's

1:09:53

funny how like every movie

1:09:55

I've ever done, it's

1:09:57

the script. Yeah. In that.

1:10:00

description part.

1:10:02

But you

1:10:04

can certainly elevate it from there, but

1:10:06

basically it's the story. That's

1:10:09

what really gets me is this story. How

1:10:12

many movies have you done? We're

1:10:15

getting up towards, I

1:10:17

know it's at least 120, but it might

1:10:19

be 150. I don't know. Wow.

1:10:22

Wow. Yeah. And what percentage

1:10:24

of those do you

1:10:26

think? Are good. No, I wasn't exactly. Or

1:10:29

live up to what I thought they would be. Yeah,

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probably I'd say maybe 20%. Oh

1:11:11

yeah. Yeah, maybe 20%. And then there's those ones that

1:11:14

are just really, plus I have different reasons

1:11:22

for loving

1:11:26

some of the movies that's different

1:11:29

from an audience because it's like I

1:11:31

watch myself and so I remember it

1:11:34

has so much to do with what was going on in my

1:11:36

life at the time. You know what

1:11:38

I mean? So in the scientific literature,

1:11:41

the best predictor of quality,

1:11:43

so let's say the impact of

1:11:46

a scientist's work on other scientists,

1:11:48

that's a good measure of quality.

1:11:50

The best predictor is quantity. So

1:11:53

there's a real tight relationship. It's

1:11:55

very difficult to do anything of note without

1:11:57

doing a lot of things. Yeah. From

1:12:00

if you do a lot more, take

1:12:02

a chance now. yeah, get another the

1:12:04

normal, some of the more financially. Of.

1:12:09

His was reason motivated

1:12:11

that are that are.

1:12:15

Sensitive things I've ever had in

1:12:17

southern in my career except. Sunday.

1:12:20

Do as many different types of things as

1:12:23

possible. right? By price I

1:12:25

ask myself. As

1:12:27

as as as as early as a

1:12:29

grad in a John Ryan and now

1:12:32

whatever. That. Broadens what you're able to

1:12:34

do to Scotland. My interest rates like I

1:12:36

know what makes people tick right? You know

1:12:38

what's this right? friends? are they go the

1:12:41

best things or something that really scares you.

1:12:44

Cause. Fear I like really great Motorbike

1:12:46

Reagan for example, the really great Vote

1:12:48

Windows the movie come out when it

1:12:50

comes on August Thirtieth F F inside

1:12:53

his bonus. I'm really excited about it.

1:12:55

Yeah, I mean was submitted widely months

1:12:57

or a process in the editing of

1:12:59

it as well. That's that. Ah, That.

1:13:03

Gusto place or I'm. Really? Happy with.

1:13:06

I'm going to turn yogurt. Oh

1:13:08

good. I. Wonder how much has changed since

1:13:10

the screener I saw last year? He

1:13:12

had this. Yeah, Those

1:13:14

scripts. He. Had said the

1:13:16

movie you saw. Had

1:13:19

movies you at? yeah yeah no kidding

1:13:21

I swear really that's for sure and

1:13:23

yeah yeah something to be of that

1:13:25

it well sorry really have to forget

1:13:27

you area and he point and story.

1:13:30

At. All. Right

1:13:33

sir. Is that it? That's

1:13:35

it for this side for everybody watching and

1:13:37

listening. I'm going to continue this conversation The

1:13:39

hundred daily wire plus platform for another half

1:13:41

an hour so you could join this. they're

1:13:44

sort of thing else you want that was

1:13:46

worried like that. I'm working on a sob.

1:13:49

Zynga the Company. Our company is Bonnie Dale by

1:13:51

the way that on my mother's maintain. Our

1:13:54

for middle name and on the

1:13:56

i'm working on happy face right

1:13:58

now. Mom

1:14:00

that is I kids. Are

1:14:03

you okay so some players: serial killer?

1:14:06

Oh yeah Lol Happy days One from kinda

1:14:08

by ah oh yeah well we have the

1:14:10

best serial killers. Yeah you do get really

1:14:13

to kill the that combination of nice and

1:14:15

evil Nasa as a particular they can aid

1:14:17

is yeah this is really really bad. He

1:14:19

told that like. That. A

1:14:22

woman over five years and nineties, but

1:14:24

yet he was a doting father. And

1:14:27

it's really about his relationship.

1:14:29

It's. Really like the was her who

1:14:32

was our relationship what's his name

1:14:34

to like her relationship with her

1:14:36

dad. He's. What are

1:14:38

you? It is is root of it. Every look

1:14:40

up. Happy Face Killer! Oh.

1:14:43

Yeah, yeah, so what's it like to an avid

1:14:45

role like that is so much fun. For.

1:14:49

About a fast or I'd

1:14:51

say it's Jespersen. Thanks.

1:14:53

Very much as. Self. Edu.

1:14:55

As I said, everyone join us on

1:14:58

the Delaware. plus sides. I think I'll

1:15:00

walk through. His to

1:15:02

Quaids ah, autobiography and find

1:15:04

out. What said, I'm on a

1:15:06

roll to be an actor I'd like to find out about.

1:15:09

Also about. Why? that's a family affair?

1:15:11

Because it is with the planes and fight

1:15:13

remarkably and successfully and saunders An interesting story

1:15:15

there, so you're inclined to join us on

1:15:18

a daily wire. Plus side teased: feel free

1:15:20

to do so. Ah, Thanks

1:15:22

to the film crew here in Scottsdale for

1:15:24

making this possible. Thank you very much for

1:15:26

fly again! I'm very much looking forward to

1:15:28

seeing how. The. Reagan film

1:15:30

does. ah are abby run into any distribution

1:15:33

problems with it? is it is going to

1:15:35

be well distributed now and resisting nod nod

1:15:37

though it's it's could be why these could

1:15:39

be as a free thousand and thirty five

1:15:41

hundred years or so. Great great great while

1:15:44

I wish you all the luck with that

1:15:46

like it I'm like we shops around I

1:15:48

know all these years it was just we

1:15:50

can have waited to get the film ever

1:15:52

we wanted, haven't shopped at it seems with

1:15:54

all day agitation on campus and all the

1:15:57

politics that's in the air and now upcoming

1:15:59

election November that August might be a hard

1:16:01

time to release. It was as. Was.

1:16:04

A I'd won. The things was

1:16:06

I didn't wanted to come out

1:16:08

no no less severe ads as

1:16:10

I definitely didn't And then it's

1:16:12

about snout or less a year

1:16:14

and turns out. It's

1:16:16

perfect time for it's yeah? yeah yeah, seems

1:16:18

seems like a month is the advocate might

1:16:21

be or I say a load of Mister

1:16:23

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