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Hello, everybody. I

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had the pleasure and

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the discomfort as well of

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talking with Dr. Aitain Heim

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today. And

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he is a general and trauma surgeon operating

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in Greenville, Texas. More

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relevant to this story, he's come out

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as a whistleblower recently against the

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largest children's hospital in the world

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in Texas, which

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has been conducting illegal sex

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change operations, pediatric

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sex change operations. And

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if that's not bad enough after he came

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out as a whistleblower, the

0:54

Department of Justice sent federal agents

0:56

to his house twice,

0:58

the second time armed, the

1:01

second time to lay charges against

1:03

him, which are

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very likely to prove, shall

1:08

we say, spurious

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and motivated. And

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so that's the state

1:15

of the medical justice

1:18

and also psychological communities

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today in the face of this

1:23

absolutely catastrophic and pathological

1:25

onslaught of the gender

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affirming care radicals. And

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so we discuss all that.

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Join us. Dr.

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Heim, start by situating

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yourself for everybody. Say who you

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are, where you are in your

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career, where you're working, where you're

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located geographically. Just contextualize this for

1:48

everyone. Yeah. And thank

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you for having me on. My name is Eitan

1:52

Heim. I'm a general and

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trauma surgeon in a small town outside

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of Dallas. I grew up in Florida. You have a

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brother in the office. and sister, two parents, very

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close with all of them. I

2:03

went to college in Florida and then medical school there

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as well. And

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I went to, did my surgical training

2:10

at Baylor College of Medicine in

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Houston, Texas. And, you know, this was a big

2:15

deal for me because it's one

2:17

of the most prestigious surgery programs in the

2:19

country. You know, a lot

2:22

of legendary surgeons have come from that program.

2:24

So I started that program in 2018 and

2:28

was there for five years until 2023. So

2:32

I was able to see the world

2:35

of medicine surgery before

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COVID and the transgender

2:39

insanity and then afterwards. So

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I had a unique perspective because I

2:45

was at the bottom of the rung during this time. And,

2:48

you know, it had completely changed my life, changed

2:50

the way that I perceive medicine in

2:52

the world around me. And it was during

2:55

my time at this residency program

2:58

where we rotate at a few different hospitals.

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So the program is Baylor College of Medicine,

3:03

but we'll rotate a few different hospitals. One of

3:05

those being Texas Children's Hospital,

3:08

which is the largest children's hospital in the world. One

3:11

of the best hospitals too. So

3:13

you spoke in that brief

3:15

description of the dawning

3:17

transgender insanity. Now, those are

3:19

pretty harsh words. And

3:22

you said you were in a very unique position

3:24

to be able to observe that. And

3:26

that was associated to some degree with COVID. So do you

3:28

want to flesh that out a bit? What

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exactly did you see happening? And why do you refer

3:33

to it in those terms? Yeah, because

3:35

so when you're a surgical resident,

3:37

you're at the very bottom of

3:40

the totem pole of these big teams that take

3:42

care of a bunch of patients. So

3:44

all the grunt work is done by

3:46

the residents, talking to these

3:48

patients, doing the consents, seeing them

3:50

every single day. And these are

3:52

these big county hospitals, big children's

3:54

hospitals. So when I started in 2018,

3:56

this was like the apex. of

4:00

American medicine, where people would

4:03

be taken to the operating room, you know, cut

4:05

from the sternum to the belly, you know, have

4:07

their entire aorta replaced if they had disease, and

4:09

these people would go home, and I was able

4:11

to see this, and it was amazing. You know,

4:13

this is what I always dreamed of doing, because

4:15

my dad's was auditing, he would tell me stories.

4:18

And, you know, during that time, there was a

4:20

vigorous debate about issues in medicine

4:23

and surgery. We would have these meetings

4:25

every week where we would discuss these

4:27

topics, and we would discuss them freely.

4:29

We would have these

4:32

different points of view that were fleshed

4:34

out, you know, in really rigorous ways.

4:38

But in 2020, all that changed.

4:40

And this was, again, the time where I was at

4:42

the bottom of the totem pole, right? It was like

4:45

my second year in training. And

4:47

it was in March of 2020 that

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everything had changed where the

4:52

medical profession and really

4:54

our society's institutions had

4:57

been transformed, I think, in two ways,

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where they had, instead

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of pursuing medicine

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based on morality and evidence and science,

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it was based on ideology. And

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what I mean by that is this

5:12

belief that truth is subjective, that

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it's not reflective of the object of

5:18

world, right? So that something is true

5:20

if you say it's true, not because

5:22

you can observe it or record it

5:24

or measure it. All you have

5:26

to do is just say it's true. And

5:29

this is a problem when you see it in like a college

5:31

classroom, but it's a totally

5:33

different thing when it's guiding the interventions

5:36

that you're recommending for patients.

5:39

And that's what

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happened during COVID with the masks,

5:43

the lockdowns, the social distancing. None

5:46

of this was ever based on any type of

5:49

scientific thought. It was simply because

5:52

someone said it and everyone believed

5:54

in it. But

5:56

the second component that changed

5:58

was censorship. The ideology

6:00

had taken hold, but no one was able

6:02

to question it. No one was able to

6:04

debate it because of the censorship. It

6:07

happened in the media, it happened in

6:09

the news, but in academic medical centers,

6:11

I can attest that it was, this

6:14

is where the effect was most powerful.

6:17

Where if you questioned anything, you

6:19

would have the most severe repercussions

6:21

to your job, to your future,

6:24

to your opportunities, everything. So

6:27

a lot of people saw that in like this

6:30

very kind of bird's eye level, but I was

6:32

in the hospital. I saw

6:34

how people would die alone. They

6:36

would suffer for weeks in the

6:38

hospital. And then the

6:40

last day they're alive, there's

6:43

no one in the room with them except for me. And

6:46

I would see them pass away like this

6:48

and suffer. And the most important people

6:50

in their lives were not there. And then they have

6:52

to live with that guilt. But the worst thing I

6:54

saw is what was

6:56

happening to the children. Because when

6:59

these lockdowns were happening, we

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would see bad cases of abuse before, but

7:04

the abuse we saw afterwards was the most shocking

7:06

thing I've ever seen. Where you would

7:08

have kids come in so frequently, because

7:10

they weren't in school, the signs of abuse weren't

7:12

being picked up. So it's like during

7:14

that time that became very familiar with the sound the mother

7:17

makes when you tell her that her child is dead. That's

7:20

a horrifying thing. So

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that was my first few years of training. Let

7:24

me summarize that just to make sure that we've

7:26

got it. So the case you're making, you talked

7:29

about the dawn

7:31

of something approximating a subjective theory of

7:33

truth. And you say that things really

7:35

changed in March 2020. And

7:37

then you make a causal claim. You

7:39

said that in

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the throes of the pandemic

7:44

lockdown, there

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were hypothetical

7:51

medical practices that were implemented that

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weren't based on evidence at all.

7:57

The social distancing, for example, and the

7:59

use of masks. And

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if you oppose that, the introduction of

8:03

a very strict

8:06

form of censorship and your sense

8:09

is that that actually changed medical

8:12

culture quite dramatically and quite

8:14

suddenly and maybe quite comprehensively.

8:17

And you saw that extend to

8:19

the degree where we

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were allowing or hospitals were allowing

8:23

or insisting that people who were

8:25

ill suffered and died alone

8:27

because they weren't allowed to see their loved ones.

8:30

And that perverted the

8:33

entire medical enterprise. And

8:36

then you said that you also saw the

8:38

dramatic effects of that, of

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the lockdown practices on children who I

8:44

presume were exposed to more abuse partly

8:46

because they weren't, that

8:49

wasn't being monitored by schools,

8:51

but also partly I would

8:53

imagine that the additional economic

8:55

stress and sheer proximity that

8:57

two children that

8:59

was produced by the lockdowns also exaggerated

9:01

the conditions that would lead to abuse

9:03

to begin with. And so then

9:06

you maybe you'll tell us how that ties into

9:10

the transgender insanity because

9:12

that's the next step, right? So, okay.

9:14

So you saw a

9:16

perversion of the medical enterprise that you believed

9:18

was quite profound. Now, why do

9:20

you think you experienced that more dramatically in some

9:23

sense because you were at the bottom of the

9:26

medical hierarchy at that point? Why do you

9:28

think that gave you a particularly insightful viewpoint?

9:31

And the reason is because we would see

9:33

these people every single day. The ones who

9:35

would have to make the phone calls to

9:37

the families was us. The people who would

9:39

stay after and talk to the patients was

9:42

us. The breakdowns

9:44

these people would have were experienced by

9:46

us. We would see all the worst

9:49

parts of it. And

9:52

so yeah, that I believe laid

9:54

the groundwork because when you have

9:56

the entire medical establishment, every doctor

9:58

who participated in this, They like adopt

10:00

this sin, right, this shame, because

10:03

everyone knows it's wrong, but everyone's doing it.

10:06

And it's kind of like you prepare

10:08

them for what's next, because if they

10:10

don't speak out on that, then they're

10:13

not gonna speak out on anything else.

10:15

And it's in that environment, because the

10:17

transgender thing, if you remember, was always

10:19

there. Like the Jazz Jennings, he

10:22

was like 10 years before that, but

10:26

it was after COVID, where

10:30

the only way this becomes

10:32

as universal, as institutional

10:35

as it has now, is if

10:37

doctors don't say anything. Because

10:40

what these people are proposing has

10:42

zero therapeutic rationale. And

10:45

that goes before evidence. That's

10:47

upstream from evidence. Like

10:49

if I take out an appendix, right, I take

10:52

out someone's gallbladder, a colon mass, because I think

10:54

it's a tumor, I have

10:56

to have a logic, a rationale. I

10:58

have to be able to identify a

11:00

problem, make sure that the risks, sorry,

11:03

the benefits outweigh the risks, because

11:06

whatever intervention we're applying, you have

11:08

to do that calculus. But in

11:10

this case, with these transgender interventions,

11:12

there's none of that. The only

11:14

way it happens is if doctors

11:16

don't say anything about it, don't

11:18

point out how completely insane what

11:20

they're doing truly is. And

11:23

it was after that, around 2022, 23, that

11:27

you saw the transgender ideology

11:29

proliferate. It's like a wildfire,

11:32

right? Where you saw it. Yeah,

11:34

so that's an interesting, it's

11:36

an interesting hypothesis. You see, I hadn't

11:38

considered the fact that acceptance

11:41

of the lockdown

11:43

lies, especially on

11:45

the medical side, and

11:47

the emergence of that cancel culture around

11:49

any criticism, set

11:51

the stage for the

11:54

next sequence of lies.

11:57

I mean, there's other causal reasons I

11:59

presume. I mean, I read a PDF

12:01

a while back that was prepared by a

12:04

marketing agency that described the

12:06

growth opportunities on the transgender

12:09

treatment front, the so-called gender

12:11

affirming side of medicine,

12:13

which that gender affirming phrase, that's like

12:15

one of the most manipulative

12:18

lies I've ever heard in my life. It

12:20

goes along with the legislation

12:23

to forbid so-called conversion therapy, which I

12:25

as a therapist know that nobody has

12:27

been doing for like 70 years. That

12:30

was a complete bloody lie right from the beginning. And

12:33

the idea that this care is gender affirming

12:35

is it's

12:37

the antithesis of the truth. And

12:39

so your claim is part

12:41

of the reason that spread so quickly was because

12:43

there was a culture of compliance

12:47

and silence that had already established

12:49

itself firmly in the medical community.

12:51

Can you think of any other

12:54

reasons? Have any other

12:56

reasons occurred to you to account

12:58

for why this new idea, which

13:02

is so utterly insane, right? I

13:04

think it's Joseph Mangali level of

13:06

insanity. I've never seen the

13:08

medical and psychiatric community do anything

13:10

worse in my entire life than

13:12

what's been happening with so-called gender

13:14

affirming care. And so what

13:17

other reasons do you know that made

13:19

this occur? So, and just

13:21

one more thing about what you say for the language.

13:24

So it's anti-language, right? It's not just

13:26

a euphemism. It's not just

13:29

a few degrees off from the

13:31

truth. It's not oriented towards the

13:33

truth. It's oriented towards the exact

13:35

opposite. It's a complete lie. It's

13:37

an anti-truth. It's an anti-truth, it's

13:40

anti-language and it's anti-medicine. What this

13:42

is is not medicine. Completely, it's

13:44

diametrically opposed to reality and

13:46

to the truth, you bet. It's

13:48

really something to see. And like, as

13:51

you are implying, most lies are just

13:53

slightly off kilter, right? That's how people

13:55

get away with them. But there are

13:58

specific forms of lies that are- are diametrically

14:01

opposed to the truth. And

14:03

they're obviously insanely

14:05

pernicious. And that's

14:08

exactly the situation with so-called gender-affirming

14:10

care. Okay, so what did you

14:12

start seeing? You talked about the

14:14

kids that you'd seen who'd been

14:16

damaged by the COVID lockdowns

14:18

and the increase in abuse, but that's

14:20

a separate issue apart from the establishment

14:22

of the culture that we're describing. That's

14:25

a separate issue from the issues surrounding

14:27

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so it was around 2021, 2022. Everything

15:49

with COVID is happening and I'm

15:51

a part of it, right? So there's a part where

15:53

I've adopted this shame. I know this is wrong. I

15:56

know these people are being harmed. I know that what medicine

15:59

is doing is wrong. and people

16:01

are losing things that

16:03

can never be taken back, and

16:05

that I'm a part of that because

16:07

I was playing a role

16:09

in it. I tried to fight back

16:12

everywhere I could, but in

16:14

my inside, I knew that there

16:16

was a sense of shame within me. But

16:19

then it was during that time that the

16:22

transgender issue proliferated.

16:25

It became nationwide, worldwide. And

16:28

you think that these things

16:30

are happening in Washington State, Oregon,

16:32

New York, California, but you

16:34

don't think it's happening in Texas.

16:38

So the story starts in March of 2022,

16:42

where I was still a resident, the Texas

16:45

Children's Hospital had issued a

16:47

public statement unequivocally

16:49

saying they were going to shut

16:51

down their transgender clinic because

16:54

of potential criminal

16:56

liability. And that last part

16:59

is important because they acknowledged

17:01

that issue, potential criminal liability.

17:04

The reason they released that statement in March of 2022

17:08

is because a few weeks before, the

17:10

Attorney General of Texas, Ken Paxton, had

17:13

issued an opinion saying that these

17:15

interventions could be investigated as child

17:18

abuse, which they are. So

17:20

it makes sense why the hospital would release that

17:22

statement, right? They need to protect

17:24

themselves, avoid this criminal liability. So

17:27

they say we're shutting down the program.

17:30

And I

17:33

knew that that was a lie unequivocally. The

17:37

reason I knew that is because I worked

17:39

there. I did surgery there. The people who

17:41

were doing these procedures had told me they

17:43

were doing these procedures. So

17:45

over the next couple of months, people I worked

17:47

with had told me that, man, I

17:49

just implanted some puree block device in some 11, 12, 13 year

17:52

old kid who believes

17:54

they're transgender. And

17:56

I thought, man, that's odd. They

17:59

released this statement. and a few weeks before, a

18:01

few months before. So

18:04

I thought maybe this, maybe

18:07

like a few holdover cases, maybe they

18:09

were scheduled beforehand. You know, I

18:11

didn't believe it. It just seemed so absurd that the

18:13

hospital would be lying about something like this. I

18:16

just didn't think it was possible, right? So

18:18

over the next couple of months, it just gets

18:20

worse and worse, more and more frequent,

18:23

where it's becoming more frequent, but

18:25

also the stories are getting crazier, where

18:27

you have these kids with tons

18:30

of psychiatric issues. All of

18:32

those are being ignored, and they're just getting

18:34

these drugs, whether blockers, hormones, to

18:36

affirm their gender. So,

18:40

but I still didn't believe it, right?

18:43

Took me months. But then

18:45

it was January of 2023 that all doubt was gone,

18:50

because it was during that time that

18:52

the directors of the program, the transgender

18:55

program, the one that supposedly

18:57

did not exist, were given

18:59

the opportunity to speak at the hospital's

19:01

most prestigious lecture series. It's called Grand Rounds.

19:04

This is a lecture that's given every single week.

19:06

It's like, demonstrates the priorities

19:08

of the hospital. So

19:10

you have the directors of the transgender program who

19:13

are talking to the entire department, talking

19:16

about their algorithmic approach to

19:19

the hormones and the

19:21

blockers, advising general

19:23

pediatricians to ask about

19:26

gender identity behind the backs

19:28

of their parents, talking about

19:30

fertility preservation in

19:32

11, 12-year-old kids, talking about mastectomies when

19:34

kids get a little bit older. And

19:39

that was mind-blowing. But then

19:41

even, there was a few weeks after

19:43

that, there was a Zoom conference with a few

19:46

members of the transgender program with

19:48

a group of 150 medical students,

19:50

right? Like a public Zoom conference,

19:52

where you had one of the social

19:55

workers who talked about how they actively

19:57

concealed the existence of the program from

19:59

governing state. right, governing medical

20:01

bodies by saying, instead

20:03

of documenting consults, right, or

20:06

giving documentation to parents, she

20:09

would defer documentation, like

20:11

just calling consults or just tell

20:13

parents. The reason is to not

20:15

leave a paper trail. So these

20:18

people were explicitly talking about how

20:20

they were hiding this program. How did you

20:22

get access to that Zoom call? Because they

20:24

were public. The

20:27

entire medical school, it was a

20:30

medical student group who put on this conference

20:32

so anyone could join. There were like

20:35

150 people there. And the Grand

20:37

Rounds, yeah, the Grand Rounds lectures

20:39

are open to every person that texts his children,

20:41

every person at Baylor. So you have

20:43

like hundreds, if not like over a thousand people who

20:46

know the hospital said one thing, but

20:49

they're doing the exact opposite thing behind

20:51

closed doors. So

20:55

it took me months to make that conclusion because

20:58

it's just so insane and- Shocking,

21:01

right, right, of course, of course. Well,

21:04

I talked to Michael Schallenberger after

21:06

he broke the WPATH files. And

21:09

Michael is obviously a journalist who,

21:12

he broke the Twitter files too, him

21:14

and Tybee. And Barry

21:18

Weiss, I think was involved in that too. So he's

21:20

not a coward. And he told

21:22

me when we discussed the WPATH

21:24

revelations that he had watched Abigail

21:27

Schrier and I talk about her

21:31

book, Irreversible Damage and

21:33

the harm that gender affirming care, care,

21:36

God, I just, I can't even use those

21:38

words, is doing to

21:40

children. And he said that

21:42

he couldn't believe it. It

21:44

took him two years. It took him

21:47

two years to admit to what

21:49

might be going on.

21:51

And it's obvious that you were

21:53

suffering from the same conundrum and

21:55

it's not that surprising, right? Because-

22:00

Watching something like that unfold is the sort

22:02

of thing that makes you question your own

22:04

sanity because you're forced into a

22:06

position where you think, well, either

22:08

I'm seeing what's going on and a

22:10

thousand people are ignoring it even though

22:13

it seems extremely pathological and illegal and

22:16

anti-medical and immoral, and

22:19

that that's casting a dim light on the

22:21

entire profession. Or you're gonna

22:23

wonder if maybe there's something

22:25

wrong with the way you're looking at the

22:27

world. Both of those

22:29

are really stark and terrible choices. And

22:32

so it's not surprising it took

22:34

you a number of months

22:36

before you would even fully

22:39

admit to what was going on. What

22:41

was your emotional state like at that point?

22:44

You really look at who you are,

22:47

right? Like, who am I as

22:49

a person, right? Am I really a doctor? Am

22:51

I a surgeon? Because that was like the question, that was a

22:53

question that was going through my mind. I never thought about it.

22:56

I never answered that question

22:58

before, but because everything

23:00

that happened during COVID, I

23:02

was so angry. Every day I was

23:04

angry and my wife would tell me, like,

23:07

Aton, you're angry. My parents would tell me you're

23:09

angry. And I'm like a very not

23:11

angry person by disposition. Like,

23:13

I never have been angry in the

23:16

operating room. And that's saying something

23:18

for a surgeon to not be angry in the operating

23:20

room. But I was angry. And I

23:22

was, because I

23:24

hated to see what was happening to these people, to

23:27

these kids, to even

23:29

these adults, everyone, because everyone was

23:32

taking on these lies,

23:35

but people were

23:37

being harmed by it. People were dying alone.

23:39

These kids were suffering. And I was seeing

23:41

it every single day. So

23:44

when I would come home, I was angry. But what

23:46

I realized is that I was angry with myself, because

23:49

even though I'm at the bottom of the

23:51

totem pole, like, I still have a responsibility.

23:53

If I'm a doctor, I'm a surgeon, I

23:56

have to do something, because my dad's a doctor.

23:58

And he always told me, Like,

24:00

you have to take care of your patients. That's

24:03

the most important thing above anything else. But

24:05

he also said, you have to take care of

24:07

the profession. You have to be

24:09

a good doctor. You have to represent yourself

24:12

well. And I thought

24:14

about everything he had told me in was

24:17

I representing medicine? Like

24:19

surgery, like was I being a doctor in that moment? I

24:22

thought, if I don't do

24:24

something about this, I could never

24:26

live with myself, right? You have the biggest

24:28

children's hospital in the world. Lying

24:30

to the public about a program

24:33

that is manipulating, mutilating, and

24:36

sterilizing young children. You

24:38

have probably hundreds, if not a thousand people

24:41

who know about it, and I

24:43

know about it. So if I

24:45

didn't do something, right? You

24:48

know, for my wife's pregnant, she's,

24:50

my kids, she's doing October,

24:52

my first girl, she's

24:55

gonna be a daughter. If,

24:58

when she grows up and she looks back,

25:01

what is she gonna think of her father if

25:03

I didn't do something and just let this happen? Because

25:06

she's gonna know. So I thought I

25:08

had to do something. And that was in January of

25:10

2023, where I thought, you

25:12

know, the

25:15

reason I'm angry is because the shame

25:17

within myself for not doing something.

25:20

So, right? I knew that

25:22

there were risks. I knew that there were things to fear, but

25:24

there's something greater to fear rather

25:27

than the consequences within this world. Okay,

25:31

so I've got three questions. Like, how

25:33

many kids and adults do you think

25:35

were affected by this so-called

25:38

care during that time? How

25:43

did you come to the conclusion about what

25:45

to do? Because that's not

25:47

straightforward, right? Not at all. And

25:50

then what do you think

25:52

was the highest, the higher order issue

25:54

that was at hand that

25:57

was compelling you to both feel. guilty

25:59

and to speak. Do you mind if

26:02

I answer those in reverse order? Sure.

26:05

Yeah. So

26:09

in medicine, just like in anything

26:11

else, the only way to live

26:13

appropriately is to orient yourself

26:15

by the truth, to live by the truth.

26:19

There's nothing you can get away with. If

26:21

you lie, you're going to pay for it. So

26:26

that's the higher order

26:29

principle that was in my

26:31

mind that was driving that. But also

26:33

that, but number two is

26:35

something more physical, more granular,

26:37

is that there were kids being harmed, that

26:40

I could do something about it. There

26:43

were children who were an imminent threat of

26:45

being harmed. So

26:47

how many? Second

26:50

question, a lot. I

26:53

can't necessarily give you the exact numbers because

26:55

what I saw was limited, maybe

26:58

probably hundreds, a lot. But

27:02

then your first question is,

27:04

so I have this information, right?

27:08

I have to orient myself towards truth in order

27:10

to live, but also to fix this problem. There's

27:12

kids who are going to be hurt. And

27:15

I have the information, but what do I do about

27:17

it? Like I'm a no one,

27:20

right? I don't have social media.

27:23

I'm very private. I

27:26

live in a very small town now. So

27:28

I thought, well, we have to find someone who

27:31

can do something about this. So we just started

27:33

reaching out to anyone, everyone and

27:35

anyone who might do something about it.

27:38

So it took us five months to

27:41

get a hold of someone who would take this story.

27:43

And we reached out like tons

27:45

of emails. I just sent emails, like

27:47

emails to dozens of people. Who's us?

27:50

You said us. Yeah,

27:54

okay, fine. I just wondered, well, the reason

27:57

I asked, well, the reason I asked is

27:59

because... And this is useful maybe for anybody

28:01

watching and listening is that one

28:03

of the things that's useful to do if

28:06

you ever find yourself in a situation like this is

28:08

to see if there's a couple

28:10

of other people around that you can trust, that

28:12

you can ally with because it's

28:14

relatively easy to fire one person but it's

28:16

anti-pilary them, but it's a lot harder to

28:18

do that with two and it's probably impossible

28:20

to do it with four. So,

28:23

but you were doing this alone. Why

28:26

do you think you had to do it alone? Because

28:28

the American academic medical system

28:31

is like East Germany. Like

28:33

no joke, if there was

28:35

a colleague who kind

28:38

of thought the same way, we

28:40

would physically go to dark,

28:43

quiet corners and talk about

28:45

these things, right? But no, no,

28:48

it's, there is

28:50

a culture of censorship and

28:53

fear that is

28:56

very, very real. And

28:58

I can attest because I was there, I lived through it.

29:01

It's unimaginable. So no

29:04

one's gonna do anything like this. And I wouldn't

29:06

want to necessarily involve people because

29:08

especially we sacrifice

29:11

so much against that point. I

29:15

mean, many

29:17

people would be, that's why it's

29:19

so easy for doctors to say, I'm just not

29:22

gonna do anything. I'm not gonna, I'm

29:24

gonna stay silent, right? But their

29:26

calculus is incorrect. So

29:28

yeah, it was during that

29:31

time, I just would send emails. It's

29:33

like news organizations I thought would be

29:35

receptive to the story or journalists. Took

29:37

me five months because I think people just didn't believe

29:39

me. Well, that may be part of the

29:42

reason. The other part of the reason might be that they're

29:44

in a culture that's the same as yours, because

29:47

it's shocking. Look, I know what

29:51

you're saying already to some degree.

29:53

I mean, I'm being investigated by

29:55

my college in Ontario for daring

29:57

to question the gods of the

29:59

transgender. I don't know the extent of it.

30:02

And it could easily be

30:04

that if it's a movement of silence that's

30:07

infiltrated the medical and the psychological

30:10

communities that it's

30:12

no better in the world of,

30:14

especially in legacy media. In fact, maybe

30:16

it's worse. And that could easily

30:18

be the case. So who did you

30:21

reach out to just to make sure that you're

30:24

not in the right place? That

30:26

could easily be the case. So

30:28

who did you reach out to just

30:30

out of curiosity? And then who finally

30:32

responded? Yeah. So I won't say

30:34

the names of the organizations, but

30:36

these are the conservative organizations who would take a

30:38

story like this. So

30:41

I want to have a degree of... Charitable.

30:47

Charitable, yeah. Because they

30:49

may have not believed me. They had other things going on. Like

30:51

I get it. Like I'm just

30:54

some random guy who's like emailing him a

30:56

bunch of times. Probably saying I'm some weirdo.

30:59

So yeah, understandable. But

31:01

then after months, I

31:04

finally get in touch with Chris Farrufo in like

31:06

early to mid May of 2023. And

31:10

he demonstrated some interest in his

31:12

story. So we go through

31:14

the vetting process to make sure I'm not... I'm

31:17

a real person. I'm a surgeon. I work there. That

31:20

story is true. And it was the

31:22

perfect timing because I didn't know this at the

31:24

time, but the Texas Senate

31:26

was voting on the bill to

31:28

ban these interventions in the

31:30

state of Texas like a week

31:32

later. So we go through

31:34

this process to get the story ready. And

31:37

then the story comes out on May 16th, 2023

31:39

and blows up in

31:43

the news. It's everywhere. I

31:45

think you even retweeted about it, if

31:48

I remember correctly. But

31:50

the story does exactly what we hoped it would do. I

31:53

was the anonymous whistleblower. No

31:56

one knew my name. The story had

31:58

outlined how the hospital had worked. to the

32:00

public and not only continue

32:02

the program, but expanded it behind closed

32:04

doors. Within 24 hours of

32:06

that story coming out, the

32:10

Texas Senate passed that bill

32:12

with bipartisan support, banning

32:15

the interventions that we had exposed.

32:18

And it was passed with bipartisan support, partly because

32:20

our story came out the day before, because

32:22

there were multiple Democrats who didn't know this kind

32:24

of thing was happening in their districts. And

32:27

the reason I know that is because I spoke

32:29

with the guy who wrote that law, and he

32:31

had told me that they had printed out physical

32:34

copies of our story and handed it out to

32:36

every single member of the Texas Senate.

32:39

So within 24 hours of our story coming out,

32:42

the conduct we had exposed was

32:44

voted to become illegal in

32:47

the state of Texas. Yeah, well, it

32:49

was probably the case too that the

32:52

Democrats that you're speaking of and

32:54

the Republicans as well, were

32:56

also very loath to believe

32:59

this. You know, I've talked

33:01

to many Democrat, Congressman and

33:04

senators, especially at the

33:06

federal level. And especially

33:10

the Republicans are often blind

33:12

to what's really going on,

33:14

let's say in higher education,

33:17

in the medical schools, for example. There

33:19

are 10 years behind the time or 15 years

33:21

behind the time, but the Democrats

33:24

are, I would say willfully blind

33:26

to the pervasiveness and danger of

33:28

the radicals that are within their

33:30

midst. They say, for example, that

33:33

when someone like Kamala Harris

33:35

says equity, that

33:38

all she means is equality of opportunity, which

33:41

is complete bloody rubbish. She uses

33:43

a different word. And if she's

33:46

not smart enough to know the difference, then

33:48

she's too stupid to be vice president. That's

33:50

for sure. And if she does know the

33:52

difference, then she's too ideologically corrupt to

33:54

even be a proper citizen of the United States.

33:57

And so she's damned if she does and damned

33:59

if she doesn't. as far as I'm concerned.

34:01

And the fact that the moderate Democrats enable

34:04

that kind of idiot ideology

34:06

is, it's unforgivable as

34:09

you can see in consequence of

34:11

the trans catastrophe because it is a

34:13

catastrophe. Okay, so you got a hold

34:16

of Chris Rufo and he brought the

34:18

story forward. You're

34:21

anonymous at this point. It

34:23

makes a legislative difference. What

34:25

happens at the hospital? Bring

34:27

us forward from May, 2023. So

34:31

I'm anonymous at this point. No one knows

34:33

who I am. I'm so busy with surgery.

34:35

It's like nothing even happened. A

34:38

few days after that, another whistleblower comes

34:40

out, someone who worked in the transgender

34:42

clinic, who actually worked with these doctors

34:44

and was horrified by what was

34:46

happening. So this person comes

34:48

out in another story released by Christopher

34:50

Rufo, a few days

34:52

later. The attorney general, a few

34:55

days after that, announces an investigation to the

34:57

hospital. And then about

34:59

a week and a half after, the CEO

35:01

of Texas Children's says that he's gonna shut

35:03

down the program in accordance with

35:06

SB 14. After

35:08

that, everything goes quiet. That

35:11

was May of 2023. I

35:13

was getting ready to finish my residency,

35:15

my surgical training, because that was my

35:18

chief year of the program. So

35:20

you're doing all this while

35:23

you're not even completely finished

35:25

your medical training. So this really

35:27

is your introduction into modern

35:30

medicine as it's practiced currently.

35:33

I can't believe, I can't imagine how demoralizing

35:35

that would be. But it's for that

35:38

reason that I did it, right? It's

35:40

because of, I was seeing

35:42

what was happening. Of course, someone

35:44

has to do something about it. Because

35:46

if I want to pass on a career,

35:49

a profession to my children, a world to

35:51

my children, I

35:53

have to do it when it's the most difficult thing to do.

35:55

It's like, what options did I have? So

35:57

of course, you know. But

36:00

yeah, it's kind of funny to say that

36:02

because it was on the

36:05

day of my graduation from surgical training that

36:07

the next part of the story where it gets gets

36:09

really wild because Five

36:13

weeks later the day I'm graduating from surgical

36:15

training one of the most important days of

36:17

my life, right? You spend all this time

36:19

sacrificing you miss all these important events. So

36:22

it's a Friday June 23rd We

36:24

have the ceremony in a couple of hours about

36:26

to meet with my family My wife

36:28

and I are just getting ready in our apartment when

36:31

all the sudden I get an

36:34

aggressive knock on the door I think man

36:36

like that's weird. Like who could this be? So

36:38

I shuffle over I open it and

36:40

standing outside our two federal agents with Health

36:43

and Human Services They

36:45

show me their badges and tell me that

36:47

they're investigating a case regarding medical records so

36:50

in that moment everything

36:52

just you freeze right your mind just

36:54

shuts down and And but

36:57

in the back of my mind like, you know

36:59

in like my cerebellum somewhere, you know I I

37:01

just knew they were there to make an example

37:03

of me because I was anonymous

37:06

We were able to tell this story a bill

37:08

got passed another whistleblower came out They had to

37:11

shut down the program if I

37:13

was able to do this How many other people

37:15

were able to do this right? It was a

37:17

challenge to the dominant political ideology Of

37:20

course, I knew that's kind of what

37:22

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we sit down and they want to... So

38:35

you figured that out right away. You basically

38:37

figured that out right away. How the hell did

38:39

they know who you were given that the story

38:42

had broken anonymously? Well, they

38:44

had most likely used

38:47

a huge amount of federal resources

38:50

to pursue this investigation in

38:53

that time to find out it was me. They had to mobilize

38:56

the agents, do an

38:58

investigation, find all

39:00

their evidence, surveil me to find out when

39:02

I was going to be home, surveil me

39:04

to find out when I was graduating, find

39:06

out where my address was, and then come

39:08

to my home a few hours before I

39:10

was graduating. So it's like when you have

39:12

the most power. Do you think they timed

39:14

that? Do you think they timed that to

39:16

coincide with your graduation? And also, who is

39:18

they as far as you know? Obviously,

39:22

the hospital wouldn't be very happy with you because

39:24

they had to shut down this program. And then

39:27

there are people pulling the strings behind the scenes

39:29

to keep the program going. But who

39:31

do you believe or perhaps know

39:34

was behind the investigation

39:36

into the whistleblowing? Well,

39:38

you know who runs Health and Human

39:41

Services and the FBI

39:43

and the

39:47

different legal organizations that

39:49

want to see this pursued? So,

39:52

yeah, you have the most powerful people in the

39:54

country who I believe are behind

39:56

this. And I think the timing was exactly

39:59

what I was looking for. exactly what

40:01

they were intending, because they have to use

40:03

the value of that accomplishment, the meaning of

40:05

that day, as their

40:07

method to extort the

40:10

threat, right? They have

40:12

to use that as the extortion

40:14

for my compliance, because

40:16

they know I'm starting my career. In

40:19

order to preserve that, they need

40:22

to do that so that I comply with them.

40:24

I admit to something that never happened, so

40:27

that I can participate in some phony

40:29

investigation and then close the door permanently

40:31

for other whistleblowers in the country. But

40:34

as they're coming to find out, they

40:36

knocked on the wrong door, because

40:39

that day we decided to fight. But

40:43

when they were setting up their little tripod to

40:45

do an interview, my wife comes out. She

40:48

was getting ready, and luckily my wife is

40:50

a brilliant attorney. She's actually

40:52

an assistant US attorney at

40:55

the Department of Justice. So my wife works at

40:57

the Department of Justice. She's a lawyer in the

40:59

Northern District of Texas. She

41:02

had been hired at the time, and that's an important point later in

41:04

the story, just kind of put that in the back of your mind.

41:06

But she comes out, and we both look

41:08

at each other and we'd say, bad idea. We

41:11

go to our bedroom, and we both say, you

41:13

know what, not a good idea to speak

41:15

with them without an attorney present. We

41:17

go back out and we tell them, we

41:20

won't speak with them further. They say, okay. They

41:22

pack up their things. Before leaving, they hand me a

41:25

target letter. And it's just a piece

41:27

of paper that says, I

41:30

am a potential target of a criminal

41:32

investigation, and it's signed by

41:34

a assistant US attorney in the Southern

41:36

District of Texas. So we

41:39

knew that a few minutes after

41:41

that door opened, the door closes,

41:43

our lives are gonna be changed forever,

41:46

because we had a choice, just like before. Do

41:49

we fight back? Do I fight back? Do

41:53

I submit to this ideology? Do

41:55

I compromise everything I believe in,

41:58

everything I believe my profession to be? You

42:00

know, do I, you know, compromise what

42:03

was happening to these children? So there

42:06

was, there was no question. There was no way I would

42:08

allow that to happen. So,

42:10

you know, I decided

42:13

to fight that day and we've been

42:15

fighting ever since. What do you think, what do you

42:17

think, what do you think

42:19

they wanted from you? Like they

42:21

presumed, I imagine, or knew that

42:24

you were the whistleblower at that

42:26

point. And they came using these

42:28

very sophisticated, I would say, and

42:31

well thought through intimidation tactics, extraordinarily

42:33

well-timed, I would say, sadistically well-timed.

42:36

And, but you've

42:39

already broken the story. And so

42:41

you've done most

42:44

of the damage that you could do, arguably. What

42:46

do you think they wanted from you at that

42:48

point? Fear and compliance.

42:52

Because they needed, right?

42:54

It's like, it's not the

42:56

typical justice system, right? Where it's

42:59

these people who are actually pursuing

43:01

the truth in order to obtain

43:03

justice. This is the exact opposite.

43:06

When you become a target of

43:08

a corrupt justice system investigation, people

43:11

believe that when you comply, when you give in

43:13

to them, you're actually gonna make it better for

43:15

yourself, but it's the exact opposite. Because

43:17

it's their virtue, it's the truth

43:20

that they are targeting. So

43:24

you believe that your participation, right?

43:26

If you're innocent, will exonerate

43:28

you, but it's the exact opposite. It's

43:31

because you're innocent, because you're virtuous, that

43:33

they're targeting you in the first place.

43:36

And I knew that at that

43:38

point, because I was able to see all

43:40

these investigations over the previous couple of years,

43:42

where this was happening. So at that point, I already

43:45

had the framework in my mind. Like, this

43:47

is a corrupt Department of Justice. What

43:50

kind of investigations are you referring to that

43:52

you had seen over the previous years? If

43:56

you think about the main political

43:58

investigations into. to political

44:01

opponents of the democratic party over the

44:04

past four years. So

44:06

for example, if you look at anyone

44:09

who spoke out during COVID, if

44:12

you look at Douglas Mackie, if you

44:14

look at the abortion- Batted sharia. Yeah,

44:17

by Chari, if you look at the

44:19

abortion protestors who are being sent

44:22

to prison for 10, 20 years for the face

44:24

act for sitting in front of a

44:27

clinic, right? You

44:29

know, your compliance does

44:31

not exonerate you, right?

44:34

It's because of your innocence, because of your

44:36

virtue that you're being targeted in the first

44:38

place. So I knew that, it was obvious.

44:40

So I still don't exactly understand

44:43

what, okay, say they wanted

44:45

your compliance, but compliance with regard to

44:47

what? For you to retract your accusations,

44:49

you're telling me that you knew that

44:51

complying wasn't going to help you, but

44:53

I still don't understand exactly what they

44:55

hope to accomplish other than to

44:58

intimidate you and to stop other whistleblowers. Is

45:00

that the gist of it? And

45:02

you know, that's actually a really

45:04

good question because compliance towards what?

45:08

I believe they needed me to comply,

45:10

right? In order to admit to a

45:12

crime, to grovel at their feet, to

45:14

issue some fake

45:17

apology for doing the right thing. So

45:21

basically, outline

45:23

for us what exactly the

45:25

charges were. So I see, so they brought these charges forward

45:27

to you. And the

45:29

presumption was that possibly you

45:32

could admit to them. Hypothetically,

45:35

that would mean things would go easier for you, which

45:37

is completely not true, but then it would also discredit

45:39

you and

45:43

serve as an object warning to anybody who was going

45:45

to pull the curtain back in

45:47

the future. Okay, so what exactly did they accuse you of?

45:52

So at that point, completely unclear. And

45:55

that's where it goes into the next part of the

45:58

story. But I think it's- Okay, okay. Yeah,

46:00

it's the point where they needed to make an

46:02

example as me, they needed to make me into

46:04

a criminal, right? Because if they

46:06

could do that, of course, they

46:09

shut the door permanently to every other

46:11

whistleblower in the healthcare system in our

46:13

country, they shut it permanently. Well, and

46:15

they discredit you too. Exactly.

46:18

Right, and that's gonna be very

46:21

convenient because you could imagine that

46:24

Ken Paxton, for example, and

46:26

the rest of the Texican Republicans aren't

46:29

going to take the rebellion of the

46:31

Texas Children's Hospital and their lies

46:33

lying down. And so you play a

46:35

pivotal role in that. Their best strategy

46:37

is to discredit you and turn you

46:39

into a criminal, obviously. Okay,

46:41

so continue with the story, let

46:44

it continue to unfold. Yep, so

46:46

after that, right, what do we do, right? So my

46:49

wife and I, we had the graduation, we go on

46:51

our patio and

46:53

we celebrate. So we put on Vietnam War

46:55

music, we opened a bottle of champagne, and

46:58

we celebrate because at that point, what do you do? Good

47:03

for you, so you went on with the

47:05

celebration? Of course, yeah, yeah. Yeah,

47:08

now we have you. Okay. And

47:10

it was kind of one of those moments where you look

47:12

back and you're like, oh my God, that's completely insane. But

47:14

what else could you do? When

47:17

the federal government comes to our country door, you

47:19

have to fight back. Well, I also think when

47:21

you're shocked like that, you

47:25

tend to revert to what would

47:27

be typical and habitual behavior, because

47:30

you don't know what else to do. I mean,

47:32

what the hell do you do when the feds

47:34

come knocking at your door, because you've blown the

47:36

whistle on people in

47:38

your children's hospital who are mutilating

47:41

kids? Like, that's

47:43

a nightmare that's really beyond comprehension. And

47:45

so it's not like you're gonna know

47:47

how to react. Yeah, and

47:49

it was at that point where it's

47:51

like, once you cross the Rubicon, you're

47:53

never gonna go back to that life,

47:56

that you become this new person. Like, you're

47:58

entering this unknown. where

48:01

you don't know what it's going

48:03

to be, right? It's like complete darkness, but

48:06

you have faith, it's the right place to go. So

48:10

we got in touch with our attorneys, right?

48:12

Through Christopher Roof, a brilliant people. Marcella

48:14

Burke, she's amazing, she's a fighter. So we

48:16

knew she was the right person for the

48:19

case. Over the next couple

48:21

of months, we go into like this state of

48:23

legal purgatory where we have

48:25

no idea what's going on, what

48:27

they're investigating, anything, because we had

48:30

exposed that the hospital was lying. They were

48:33

doing something that they acknowledged held criminal liability,

48:35

right? It's like, I'm a whistleblower. I had

48:37

made this public, a law got passed within

48:39

24 hours. Like, what could they

48:41

be potentially doing? But it was

48:43

over the next six months that

48:45

the corruption we saw coming from the Department

48:48

of Justice was so severe

48:50

that I had no choice but to take

48:53

this story public because

48:55

I had no intention of

48:57

doing this. We moved to a

48:59

very small town and I work in

49:02

an even smaller town. We just

49:04

wanted to get on with our lives, like

49:08

have a family, operate

49:11

on my patients and take care of them. But

49:14

it was during those six months where

49:16

we knew that I would

49:18

be destroyed if I stayed silent. And

49:22

that's why I took my story public. But to

49:24

outline that a little bit more, after

49:27

I took my story public in January of 2024, six

49:30

months after, my attorneys had

49:32

sent a letter to Congress outlining

49:34

that misconduct in a

49:37

letter to Jim Jordan. And just to

49:39

give you an example of a few things. Oh,

49:41

yes. So the misconduct, you're speaking

49:43

of the misconduct, sorry, you're speaking of

49:45

the misconduct of the Department of Justice

49:47

officials specifically? Yeah, yeah.

49:50

Okay, and the misconduct you're referring

49:52

to, is

49:54

it limited to their intervention

49:57

in your case and their

49:59

ill-defined threat? or were there more things

50:01

you said that you became aware of more corruption?

50:04

So obviously they came

50:06

to intimidate you with

50:08

ill formed and false charges. And

50:11

obviously that's bad enough, but you alluded to

50:14

the fact that you discovered other things as

50:16

well. Yeah, well, it was

50:18

the interactions between my attorney and

50:22

the prosecutor, my attorneys and the

50:24

prosecutor. And it was so shocking

50:26

that my attorneys felt obligated to blow

50:28

the whistle themselves. So

50:31

it was, for example, the prosecutor

50:33

in this letter says

50:36

that she was going to bring me into a jury trial, even

50:39

if she was going to lose, even on a

50:41

technicality. And

50:44

what that means is if there is no

50:46

crime, then you just pursue it if you're going to lose. The

50:51

implication being, right, the belief is that they're doing

50:54

this to an

50:56

innocent person because I had

50:59

blown the whistle, right? So they were

51:01

essentially telling us this. They had

51:04

threatened my wife. My wife was undergoing a

51:06

background check for

51:08

the Department of Justice. And

51:11

during those instances in this letter,

51:13

it says that one of the

51:17

first things I was brought up was that she

51:19

says, well, I'm surprised Andrea would

51:22

interfere with an investigation like this.

51:26

She won't have any issues unless she continues to

51:30

become a problem. And

51:32

what she was referring to was my wife

51:34

advising me of my constitutional rights. Not

51:37

only that, it's also saying I had no right

51:39

to blow the whistle. That for

51:42

my job as a doctor, it was

51:44

not my job to blow the

51:46

whistle on what was happening, that if I had

51:48

an issue, I should have just

51:50

stood outside with a sign. And

51:53

it was over

51:55

those months where I made

51:57

the conclusion, these people are going to

51:59

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53:05

You, well, you said something very relevant is like,

53:08

I told you earlier that Shellenberger had a

53:10

hard time believing what Shryer

53:13

and I had discussed. And

53:15

then I've also and

53:17

so that just shows you how difficult it is

53:19

for people to believe what's actually going on. But

53:22

then also it's the case that when

53:27

someone like you pops up or

53:29

arguably someone like me, say in

53:31

relationship specifically to the Ontario College

53:33

of Psychologists, it's a lot of

53:35

easier for everyone to assume that

53:38

you're a troublemaker or that I'm

53:40

a troublemaker, that there's something fundamentally

53:42

wrong with us. And

53:44

that the institution

53:46

that we're criticizing couldn't possibly be

53:49

that corrupt. And like that

53:53

impulse to demonize

53:55

the whistleblower is valid

53:59

when. institutions are

54:01

mostly sane and have

54:04

integrity. And our

54:06

institutions were mostly sane and had

54:08

integrity until quite recently. And

54:10

what that also applies is that it's

54:13

very hard for anyone to overcome their

54:16

suspicion of let's say someone like you.

54:18

When I first heard about your case

54:20

in detail, I had tweeted you

54:22

out a year ago or so as you pointed

54:24

out, but I became more aware of what was

54:26

going on with you again in recent months. There's

54:29

this little part of the back in the

54:31

back of my mind thinking, oh, this

54:33

guy, he's probably just a troublemaker. He's probably

54:35

just a narcissist, you know, because even

54:38

though I know that that

54:41

could well be not true, right? And I

54:43

have more reason to know that than most people.

54:45

And so what that also applies is that

54:48

moving ahead with a case against you

54:51

is perfectly, it's a perfectly

54:53

logical strategic move, even if they know you're

54:55

innocent and if it's doomed to failure, because

54:58

the mere fact that you'll be dragged through

55:00

the courts is enough to

55:03

have 25% of people or

55:05

50% of people write you off as

55:07

probably a criminal. You know, where there's

55:09

smoke, there's fire. There's no way you

55:12

would be being prosecuted if you hadn't

55:14

done something wrong. So it's a

55:16

very smart strategy. Yeah, and especially,

55:19

it's especially smart because there's gonna

55:21

be no consequences for them, right?

55:24

They can bring this case, right? It's based on

55:26

nothing. And they will

55:28

become princes and princesses

55:30

in this new empire of lies,

55:32

right? Their loyalty to the cause,

55:38

to go after an innocent person is like their

55:41

own blood sacrifice. If they

55:43

can protect this evil ideology, if

55:45

they can protect the harming of

55:47

these children, then they are demonstrated

55:49

to be, you know, loyal subservience.

55:52

But then I thought it's like

55:55

people are waking up to it, right? Like

55:57

people are seeing the justice system for what it is. Like

56:00

this is a corrupt investigation. This whole

56:02

thing is corrupt. And I'm

56:04

gonna be destroyed, right? Or worse,

56:07

especially when you think about what's happened to

56:09

other whistleblowers, right? Like

56:12

in Boeing's case where-

56:14

Yeah, right, no kidding. If you're

56:16

a problem. No kidding. So I

56:18

thought the only way to survive

56:20

this, both theoretically and

56:23

possibly physically, is to tell

56:25

this story because it's gonna happen either

56:27

way. Yeah. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay,

56:29

so let me ask you again here.

56:32

So you mentioned earlier who

56:35

was leading the charge in

56:38

the legal battle against you. So

56:40

let's return to that for a minute because in

56:42

so far as it's possible and correct, I

56:46

would like the people who are doing this not to

56:48

be hidden. Now you mentioned

56:50

the assistant attorney general in the

56:52

South of Texas. Is that the

56:55

person who's pursuing this

56:57

case? Yep, yep. And people can- And

56:59

who is that? Yeah, people can-

57:01

Who is that? People can find it. If

57:04

they're interested, they can find out who that person is.

57:08

Okay, okay, fine, fine. So we'll leave it at that.

57:10

All right. And so why are

57:13

you loath to make the name public now?

57:15

Just out of, I'm not gonna press you,

57:17

I'm just curious. Just out

57:19

of caution. Yeah, and also just

57:21

for that. Yeah, okay, okay. Okay, that's fine,

57:23

that's fine. All right, so, oh,

57:26

and you mentioned I

57:28

believe it was Paxton's or maybe

57:30

the Senate's proclamation that the

57:33

practices that the Children's Hospital were

57:35

engaging in could be

57:37

construed as criminal. I'm

57:39

curious at a international

57:41

crimes level because I think

57:44

there's every reason to

57:46

assume that the sterilization and mutilation of

57:49

children is actually

57:51

a crime against humanity. It's not a

57:53

mere form of criminal activity, mere. And

57:56

I do believe, I mean, I'm not

57:58

a lawyer and that's a problem, but. But I read the

58:00

relevant description

58:03

of what constitutes crime against humanity.

58:05

And if this doesn't qualify,

58:07

then, well, either my comprehension

58:10

is addled or the

58:13

legislation is written badly. Those are the options, as

58:15

far as I can tell. And

58:17

just to take a little detour for a second,

58:19

I would actually challenge that.

58:22

Like Dr. Pearson, I

58:26

would say that this is already a crime. It's

58:29

always been a crime. If a

58:31

patient comes into my clinic, right, I

58:33

was doing surgery earlier today, I was

58:35

in clinic tomorrow. Someone comes

58:37

into my clinic and they say, Dr.

58:40

Heim, right, I'm

58:43

so overweight, right, I'm

58:46

so overweight, I need a gastric sleeve. And

58:50

they say it's my body image, I need this

58:52

surgery, I need it because you need to affirm

58:55

who I am. But they're

58:57

skinny, right, and their BMI is like 15. If

59:00

I were to operate on that person and do a

59:03

gastric sleeve, right, because they told me that,

59:05

I lose my license, I go

59:07

to prison. What's happening

59:09

here is no different, but it's worse. Right.

59:13

Right. Yeah, so

59:15

it's our Overton window has shifted

59:17

for this one single issue. Everywhere

59:20

else it's correct. But because this was

59:22

infused with politics from the

59:24

beginning, our Overton window has shifted. All

59:27

we have to do is shift it back. Well,

59:30

you already showed too though in

59:32

your earlier description is the Overton

59:34

window for what constituted acceptable medical

59:37

evidence shifted terribly during the pandemic. And

59:39

that set the stage for this next

59:41

sequence of lies. The fact that we've

59:43

accepted the shift of that Overton window

59:46

with regard to medical practice in this

59:48

one domain means for sure

59:50

it's going to shift in

59:52

other ways. Right. You

59:54

can see this happening already. There are

59:57

already papers being published in psychological journals.

1:02:00

Once you tell this story publicly, the corruption

1:02:02

becomes self-evident. Because it's like what,

1:02:04

in what you said earlier, it's like when people

1:02:06

hear it, like they naturally think,

1:02:08

man, there's, this guy's probably a criminal. He's

1:02:10

probably a scumbag. But like, I

1:02:13

wouldn't let them define the story.

1:02:16

If I'm gonna go through this, it's gonna be on my

1:02:18

terms, right? I'm not gonna let

1:02:20

them lie. That's a better strategy. That's a

1:02:23

better strategy, definitely. I'm not gonna let them

1:02:25

lie, just like

1:02:27

they have everything else to

1:02:29

manipulate, to cheat, to

1:02:31

coerce. In this case,

1:02:34

I have control. Even though, you know,

1:02:36

everyone would think I'm like the one

1:02:38

who's leasing control. When you're

1:02:40

the focus of an

1:02:42

investigation by a corrupt Department of Justice, you'd

1:02:44

think you're not in control, but

1:02:46

you have all the control. Because the

1:02:48

only way for them to maintain their

1:02:51

legitimacy is through your compliance, right? But

1:02:53

it's only through your compliance that you

1:02:55

get destroyed. So I took the

1:02:57

story public, and the reason was just to

1:03:00

protect myself, but also because the

1:03:03

story is meaningless unless there's offense,

1:03:06

right? And most of

1:03:08

our politicians aren't doing it, right? Most

1:03:10

of the people who we elect to represent

1:03:12

us aren't doing it. There's some good ones.

1:03:15

But now it's our responsibility,

1:03:17

right? And during those six months where

1:03:19

I was anonymous, we had

1:03:21

spent over $250,000, all

1:03:24

of our savings, our investments, everything. Like we're

1:03:26

broke. We've been broke for a long time.

1:03:28

That's okay. But we

1:03:30

had gone on the offense too, to

1:03:33

try to defend these bills, to try

1:03:35

to develop cases, not only to protect

1:03:38

whistleblowers, but also to make

1:03:41

sure this doesn't happen in the future. But

1:03:45

so I come out in January

1:03:47

of 2024 with my story publicly.

1:03:50

Over the next few months, until June, a

1:03:53

week and a half ago, I'm

1:03:55

just public, right? I was

1:03:58

working as a surgeon at the time. intermediation,

1:24:00

the idea that that's fully reversible

1:24:02

is absolute bloody nonsense. But do

1:24:04

you have a sense of

1:24:07

just what magnitude this problem is

1:24:10

and then of what

1:24:12

the magnitude is in

1:24:14

terms of the full movement towards

1:24:16

surgical intervention? Specifically

1:24:18

among minors, let's say. I

1:24:20

know that the diagnosis rate has gone way

1:24:23

up. It's now at minimum

1:24:25

thousands and thousands of children who

1:24:27

are diagnosed with gender dysphoria, but

1:24:30

this is more specific on the medical side.

1:24:33

Being administered hormonal

1:24:35

interventions and then

1:24:37

I know

1:24:39

what's that happens, the probability progressing towards

1:24:42

surgery is quite high. So

1:24:44

what kind of numbers do you think we're looking at here? So

1:24:47

I wanna answer your question in two ways. So

1:24:50

specifically the numbers, I would

1:24:52

say hundreds of thousands and

1:24:54

it's important for people to understand that once these

1:24:56

children are being put in this position, they

1:25:00

become a chronic medical patient for life because

1:25:03

puberty blockers are not reversible. And

1:25:06

especially because by their own protocols,

1:25:09

they shut off any exit ramp.

1:25:11

They shut off any alternative because

1:25:13

any alternative is prevented

1:25:15

by the threat of their

1:25:17

own suicide. They're blackmailed into

1:25:19

one pathway forward. So

1:25:22

they're not meant to be on puberty blockers for a short

1:25:24

period of time. I would implant

1:25:26

puberty blockers in kids who actually had

1:25:28

precocious puberty, this early onset when they're

1:25:30

like six years old, they start having

1:25:32

signs, but you take them out right when they become 11,

1:25:34

12, 13 years old, but

1:25:37

in this case, they're meant to block the

1:25:39

entirety of puberty, then hormones,

1:25:42

then surgery. But the

1:25:44

reason we can't give you

1:25:46

an exact number is because

1:25:48

there's illicit uses of drugs

1:25:50

over the internet for everyone.

1:25:53

But then I wanna answer your question

1:25:55

in a second way because those are numbers,

1:25:57

those are just statistics.