What comes next in any good true crime story is the twist — that moment when everything you think you know about the case so far is upended and suddenly it all looks very different. Anticipating it is what keeps us hooked as events unfold, and that jolt in the stomach you get once it arrives is like nothing else. With Landscapers, it comes as the investigation begins to go deeper and the detectives move past the "what the hell?" moments and start to get at the hidden undercurrents in the testimony.

In the third episode of Landscapers, this odd couple with the strong emotional connection that we have come to sympathize with is seen in a new light. Is Susan quite as fragile and helpless as she seems, or is she quietly canny enough to know the ins and outs of financial crime? Is Chris really just the supportive husband who tried to clean up the mess after the fact, or did his knowledge of historic guns and expertise in accountancy lead him to play a much more central part in the story? The tension between what we think we know, and what we actually know, is explored in this episode.

Caroline Crampton is joined by Will Sharpe, director of Landscapers, creator Ed Sinclair and actor Kate O’Flynn, who plays DC Emma Lancing.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices