0:00

We're

0:01

going to create new

0:04

viruses in laboratories that were resistant

0:06

to that they were going

0:08

to use that

0:10

to cull the population, that they were going to use

0:13

vaccinations to cull the population. and

0:16

also that they were going to change

0:18

the way that healthcare

0:21

treated old people so

0:23

that

0:24

more and more old people died

0:26

and didn't go long into into

0:28

life because from their extraordinarily

0:31

sick perspective, live. Old people are

0:33

useless to them. And what

0:36

we're looking at now very

0:38

clearly is this attempt to

0:40

play that card mass

0:43

global immunization with

0:46

an excuse of this manufactured

0:48

virus. to get

0:50

access to the bodies, the body

0:53

computer systems, as I would say, of

0:56

almost everyone on the planet. and they're

0:58

not doing that because they want to protect people

1:00

from anything. Cranky, the force that's

1:02

saying be vaccinated is the force

1:04

created the virus which they're saying be vaccinated

1:07

against, they're doing

1:09

this to get access to the global

1:11

population for very, very malevolent

1:13

reasons. And what

1:16

people need to realize is

1:18

that these families

1:21

do not come from the same perspective of

1:23

life and respect that we do. They

1:25

they see humans like cattle. Nothing

1:28

more than cattle. And most humans see cattle.

1:30

They therefore have no empathy

1:33

with the consequences for the human population

1:36

of their actions. So if people say,

1:38

they'd never do that mate, no no.

1:41

you'd never do that. They

1:43

do it all the time.

2:07

Welcome

2:09

to the last American Vagabond. Joining

2:11

me today is Garith. I could discuss a very,

2:13

very important topic that many of you have likely

2:15

already seen playing out on Twitter and

2:17

social media, and that is the censorship.

2:20

And as I termed it in the title today, the excommunication

2:22

of David Ike. on

2:24

a near global scale at this point. Twenty

2:26

six plus countries in the European area,

2:28

and then the censorship as well that's

2:30

been going on seemingly his entire career

2:33

for across multiple platforms

2:35

as we're all very aware of. So joining me today is

2:37

Garith Ike to discuss what just happened, why

2:40

you think it's happening, and to kind of get into the information

2:42

here. And really just kind of flesh out and discuss

2:44

how absolutely over the top and unjustified

2:47

this really is, as we all hopefully know

2:49

by now that we all have a right to express our opinions.

2:51

And as I played the clip there beginning, which was actually,

2:53

as I remember, I think, from nineteen ninety seven,

2:55

something David's laying out, whether or

2:57

not you agree with it that has really clearly

2:59

shown to come to pass in many ways in the world

3:01

we're seeing today, and yet we're seeing this happen. So

3:04

thank you for joining me today, Garrett. How are you?

3:06

Oh, good. Thanks, mate. How are you? I'm doing

3:08

well. I'm doing well. And and hope and by

3:10

the way, I'll shout out our previous conversation that

3:12

Gareth and I had. I hope you guys will check that out. Really

3:14

enjoy you guys work that you're doing at the iconic

3:16

network and continuing to kind of, you know, question

3:18

the narratives today, which is clearly showing to be

3:21

the the right path. So thank you for taking

3:23

the time. I know you're busy. So So

3:25

let's let let's start off with

3:27

the the band in general. Right? That's what's on everybody's

3:29

mind. So just kind of for those that may not

3:31

know what just happened to to David

3:33

Ike and and, you know, what was the

3:35

reasoning behind this in in what they, you

3:37

know, publicized? Okay.

3:39

So to start at the beginning, which

3:41

is always the best place to start, I think He

3:44

was asked to speak a peace rally, so

3:46

an anti war rally

3:48

in Amsterdam. There

3:50

was bunch of other speakers, a member

3:52

of the Dutch parliament was speaking as

3:54

well. And basically, you

3:57

know, that

3:58

is, you know, not too weird. Dan speaks

3:59

to rallies, you know, pretty regularly

4:02

has done for a long all the time. And so,

4:04

you know, yeah, he's gonna go and speak for maybe fifteen

4:06

minutes. Great. Whatever.

4:09

And then I got a message from

4:11

a mate who's like mate. Like, it's going

4:13

insane in Holland. Your dad's everywhere. I was

4:15

thinking what? And all

4:17

the mainstream media just picked up on it. Right?

4:19

And and they they

4:21

just whipped up this entire frenzy of

4:24

of him being an antisemite

4:26

and a racist and a hate preacher

4:28

and all this stuff. It was it

4:30

was very very strange and it was everywhere. and

4:33

they were speaking to different members of parliament

4:35

and stuff like that. They were interviewing these people.

4:37

They they had justice minister on

4:39

their heads of police on mainstream

4:41

media talking about it. Never asked with

4:43

that, or Of course. Of course.

4:45

But but so they had these interviews and they

4:47

were trying to basically stop

4:49

him speaking. Mhmm.

4:51

And there was one interview in particular where they

4:53

had two police heads and

4:56

and one of the police headspace.

4:58

He makes the point that we'll know you can't ban him

5:00

because he hasn't actually committed a crime. He hasn't

5:02

got a criminal record. Like, he's he's

5:04

not doing anything. And so

5:06

for us, like, if he stands up on that

5:09

stage and he starts preaching, hey, then

5:11

you can deal with it at that point,

5:13

I mean, as as a producer, but in

5:16

terms of banning information in the country, we

5:18

we have no legal frameworks

5:20

where I do that, you know, to which the

5:22

the journalists for one of, you know,

5:25

lots of other terms you could give them. Said,

5:27

is there not a way you can find a loophole?

5:29

That's extraordinary, isn't it? because, like, journalists are supposed

5:31

to be about free speech, because at the end of the day,

5:33

once free speech has gone, so is theirs?

5:35

Do you know what I mean? Like -- Yeah. -- was that

5:37

on the record? That that was stated on the

5:39

record Yeah. Yeah. It was on the on the TV. Yeah. It's

5:41

not where you can find a loophole. I mean, it's extraordinary,

5:43

really. But anyway, so they obviously

5:45

found they tried to find a loophole.

5:48

and they couldn't find one. And so then what they were

5:50

doing is they were just whipping up hate hate hate.

5:52

And then all of a sudden, you know, extinction

5:54

rebellion were gonna come. and

5:56

and do a counter protest, and Tifa were

5:58

coming to do an an counter protest. My

6:00

dad was getting death threats on his Instagram,

6:02

which were reported and manner

6:05

seemed to think they were fine. But, you

6:07

know, if you if you misgender someone you're off.

6:09

But but yeah. So he kind of

6:11

just you could see that the media were trying

6:13

to cause a bit of, you

6:15

know, an issue for him really. So -- Mhmm. --

6:18

you know, men my brother and and

6:20

other sort of members of the family with kind of a bit,

6:22

kind of, is this a good idea? Do

6:24

you know what I mean? I mean, yeah, you're gonna listen.

6:26

let's have it right. I mean, he wants to go and do it,

6:28

and he's not he's not gonna be bullied into not doing

6:30

it. But there was a part of us that were like, you know,

6:32

it only takes one lunatic than it. Do you know what

6:34

I mean? So And

6:37

so then, you know, I I they were

6:39

driving down to to

6:41

Kent to get on the the channel tunnel and stuff.

6:43

And for some bizarre reason, it must be like,

6:45

bloody, fake, or whatever. I was nipping

6:47

out for a run. You know, I want

6:49

those token ten minute runs, so you can tell yourself

6:51

that you can have put it That ain't after doing

6:53

it. Right. And so, literally,

6:55

just started running. And for some reason, I

6:58

was just like, I just quickly checked my phone.

7:00

and I had an email down there

7:02

from the Dutch authorities. Mhmm.

7:04

But obviously, I don't speak Dutch, so III

7:06

sent it across to to my dad's. and

7:09

to Christiana who was with him, who is

7:11

Dutch, sort of, to translate it.

7:13

Mhmm. And I just assumed it was,

7:15

you know, I don't know what I assumed it was

7:17

from probably probably maybe

7:19

like one final plea not to come

7:21

and whatever, you know, and that sort of thing. I

7:23

certainly didn't expect it to be what it was.

7:25

So then she you know, I get back from

7:27

from the run, like, ten minutes later.

7:29

And I've got a message from her saying, oh

7:31

my goodness. Like, this is this is insane. Like,

7:33

he's banned from the country. So I was

7:35

thinking, what? You know what? They've done it banned him for

7:37

the weekend, maybe so he can't talk, you know, at

7:39

this event. And then, obviously, the

7:41

further down will these these rambling

7:45

bits of of information. then

7:48

states obviously that he's banned from the

7:50

EU. So it's like, shit. That's twenty

7:52

six countries, but the and

7:54

then he's banned from the EU for two years. So

7:57

knowing for the weekend. And

7:59

then then accompanying

8:01

it is another letter

8:04

which lays out the

8:07

the terror warnings

8:09

and the fact that Amsterdam

8:12

is currently as a result of it in

8:14

in a level three terror alert.

8:16

Right? So basically, he, you know,

8:18

breaks that and so therefore can't

8:21

can't come over. It's like, some

8:24

terrorists, like, what the hell are they? This is

8:26

insane. Yeah. And then there was

8:28

quite quite a lot of uproar about it. People were

8:30

kicking off And then they tried to

8:32

back pedal a bit, and

8:34

I saw one news article in

8:36

the Netherlands was saying that, oh, no. No.

8:38

No. They they they they've seen they're doing it

8:40

for his safety.

8:41

That's

8:43

interesting. I didn't know that. Okay.

8:45

Yeah. So this was actually for his safety.

8:47

So he's banned from and it's virtually

8:49

the entire concept for two years for his own

8:51

safety. Only him a terrorist is for his own

8:53

benefit. Okay. That that's clear.

8:55

Right? Well, that's the thing. I mean, they tried to sort

8:57

of like I say backpedal in the sense of, no. No. No. No.

8:59

We didn't mean it like that. What we mean is,

9:01

like, because the terror level's high, we can't

9:03

protect him. It's like,

9:04

no. That's that's not how that was said. You'll

9:07

be back at it. No. And then actually,

9:09

when when the

9:11

prime minister was questioned

9:13

about it, he reeled off

9:15

the usual. We won't have him in

9:17

our country. We won't have hate in our

9:19

country. We don't blah blah blah. And it's like So you just

9:21

admitted that you banned him then because five minutes ago, you

9:23

just said you'll protect him. So which one is it? You

9:25

know, they They just cowards that can't

9:27

stand by their own actions. Well, do me a

9:29

favor of those in the United States and

9:31

elsewhere. Do you do you know the

9:33

equivalent to what tariff three level threat would

9:35

be an equivalence of, let's say, in the

9:37

United States framing? The I

9:40

had a screenshot of it. It it it

9:42

it basically goes along with

9:44

the the fact that there is a

9:46

very real threat. Mhmm. And then you

9:48

have a level four threat, which I think is

9:51

imminent. Like, it's coming at a

9:53

level five, which is basically, you

9:55

know, bombs are on the way. Yeah. So level three,

9:57

I think, is is out of five

9:59

with one being Okay. That that's

10:01

it. We're all we're all made. you know. So

10:04

yeah. So level three is there is a real

10:06

threat, which is insane.

10:08

You know? It's it's insane. These are just these

10:10

anti war protestors. And and what's

10:12

even more mad was the fact that someone

10:14

like extension rebellion -- Mhmm. --

10:16

would want to stage a counter protest to an

10:18

antinuclear war. Right.

10:20

This is the overlap that I'm that I'm

10:22

seeing I think is really interesting. Is is it this

10:24

feels related to

10:27

I mean, even the stated discussions

10:29

around why his ideas are dangerous

10:31

aren't rooted in the anti war discussion.

10:33

So why are they so concerned about

10:35

this anti war protest. Like, what are your

10:37

why why do you think this protest

10:39

was I mean, he he speaks at plenty of this

10:41

you know, over the years, discussions and

10:44

protests and rallies. So why this one? Why do you

10:46

think this was chosen at this time? That's

10:47

a very good question. I think part of it is

10:50

the fact that Tierry

10:52

Bordeaux, who is an MP

10:54

in in the Dutch parliament, has been

10:56

very positive about my

10:57

old man and about his theories and about

11:00

certain things. So, you know, it's kind of getting

11:02

some mainstream credibility,

11:03

which is what they're terrified of, you know.

11:05

And I and it it feels very much

11:08

like you know, they

11:10

they've they've bitten off too

11:11

much now. It's start

11:13

with Alex Jones. I mean, a billion

11:16

dollars. Like, they could have they could

11:18

have fined Alex Jones ten million

11:20

dollars, and they'd have taken our info wars with ten

11:22

million dollars, I'm sure. And,

11:25

you know, a lot of us would have been saying

11:27

that's insane. But they were in large portions going, you

11:29

know, ten million quid because it's a realistic

11:31

figure in people's brains. Right. You know?

11:32

And but they got a billion

11:35

and what I ended up seeing so much

11:37

was, I don't

11:37

like Alex Jones, but I'm not a

11:40

fan of Alex Jones, but And actually,

11:42

like, people said, they go, no. This is this is more

11:44

to this. And the same with more

11:46

of man, you know, what they could have done is they could have put a

11:48

travel ban on him for the weekend.

11:50

say, you

11:50

know, you're not coming to Amsterdam this weekend.

11:52

Mhmm. And and some people would have

11:54

gone, right here, fair enough.

11:56

Okay? whatever is wrong, but

11:58

it's a weekend, whatever. But you

12:00

ban ban someone basically from a continent

12:02

for for two years. you

12:04

know, again, I saw I'm no fan of bike,

12:07

but I think he's in there. But -- Yeah. -- you

12:09

know, because people said, well, hang on a minute. And

12:11

also, there is that other point, which

12:13

is if he's mad, like, you will

12:14

think he's a nutter. If you if he is, a

12:17

problem.

12:18

Exactly. What do you regret to these ideas if it's

12:20

so ridiculous? Exactly. Why is

12:22

what, you know, and I think

12:24

what they do

12:24

with the antisemitism thing is very interesting

12:27

because they've tried to use antisemitism against

12:29

bad debt for a long, long time. Generally

12:31

because of criticism of Israel. Any criticism

12:33

of Israel, you're in a system. I know that that goes.

12:35

Yeah. Well, same. That goes way back.

12:37

But

12:39

what they've done now, because they

12:41

they they they still want to silence

12:43

you for saying stuff that's not Israel related.

12:45

I mean, there's nothing Israel related. in terms of

12:48

Russia, Ukraine, and COVID, and

12:50

and, you know, cost of living, and all

12:52

this kind of stuff. So what they I've

12:54

seen a lot do it with my dad for years

12:56

and they're doing it with a lot of other people now

12:58

is they just change the meaning of words.

13:00

Mhmm. So globalist, for instance, that used to mean

13:02

globalist. That means Jewish. Right.

13:04

Right. You know, so they change it and

13:06

and what I saw a lot of was dog

13:08

whistle.

13:09

So I can say, well, I think

13:11

that, you know, I I think

13:14

that globalists are are trying to, you know,

13:16

create this this authoritarium

13:18

system and XYZ and blah blah blah blah. And

13:21

they go, right. Well, actually, what's

13:23

happening is this system

13:25

is kind of being put together, and and most

13:27

people can see that. You know, the world economic forum

13:29

is completely and and and is admitting

13:31

that they have politicians in, you know, with these

13:33

governments. Alright. Well, I can't really I

13:35

can't really debate them on that. I can't really call it

13:37

conspiracy theory. because it's happening.

13:39

The guy's got a book called the Great Recession by an

13:41

Amazon. So, you know so

13:43

what I do then is I say, oh, no. But what

13:45

they mean by globalist is It's a

13:47

dog whistle four. It's an anti semitic

13:49

trope. And so okay. So all you're doing then

13:51

is you'll say, you're accusing me of

13:53

saying something I didn't say. Mhmm.

13:56

By saying it's a doable. Well, you

13:58

know what's worse about this in general, and this is

13:59

what I'm seeing everywhere. And this is what's

14:02

so embarrassing when, you know, anybody

14:04

who's genuinely I I don't even wanna

14:06

say intelligent. Just somebody who's honest with

14:08

themselves. How in the world are they pretending

14:10

to speak on what you think

14:12

and feel? Right? Your intent. Like,

14:14

you could argue, here's what I think he

14:16

implies or or what he's implying, but

14:18

they can't say that for sure, but that happens all over the

14:20

place. We know what Putin really wants accomplish.

14:22

Right? It's just embarrassing that

14:24

they've basically just dove

14:26

into this argument. It's all emotional and

14:28

subjective. That's not journalists. Right? And so that's

14:30

literally everywhere. And so it's really

14:32

ridiculous that we and and this is a very clumsy

14:34

way to just as you pointed out, not

14:36

allow us to talk about any number of things.

14:38

Right? Whether Israel, whether it's COVID-nineteen injections

14:40

or anything else. You just broad brush the whole

14:42

conversation. Well, here's wink wink, wink, what they're really

14:44

trying to say. know, and maybe that's

14:46

true. But there's plenty of people that have these arguments

14:48

that are just not rooted in that, and they know that. And that's

14:50

covering it all up. So Exactly. Yeah. And

14:52

and what's funny is, you know, one of

14:54

the big things that that people got

14:56

on

14:56

board with. I mean, you know,

14:58

I I, obviously, I put on Twitter that he'd been

15:01

banned and, you know, which

15:02

is funny because when you look at the notifications,

15:05

there's a hell of a lot of hate in the anti

15:07

hate lot. Like, I

15:09

took a few days worth of absolute

15:11

barrage, you know, for me, like, name my name's

15:13

Ike for Foxtrot, like his war over ducks back, you

15:15

know, whatever. I'm used to it. Mhmm. But, you know,

15:17

I was reading this stuff from these you know,

15:19

and you look at their bios and their anti slashes,

15:21

anti hate. It's like, maybe you just unloaded a shitload

15:23

of hate on someone you don't even know. Right. You didn't

15:25

know who I was till five minutes ago.

15:27

And so they were all celebrating the

15:29

fact that, you know, this guy's been banned.

15:31

And his

15:31

side put the

15:34

celebrated based on miss misinformation. He's was

15:36

spreading misinformation. He's spreading fake news

15:38

and stuff like that. And so But the

15:40

article you're using to create

15:42

joy about, you know, you're sharing on your own Twitter, look,

15:44

he's been banned. He's been a mister Fash, came from

15:46

the Daily Mail was one of the main

15:48

ones for the English speaking world at

15:50

least. And it says in the article that

15:52

he says Jews were behind to COVID

15:54

nineteen. Right? He's never said

15:56

that. Right. He says it doesn't exist. So how are they

15:58

how are they behind it? And

16:00

that he's that he denies

16:02

the holocaust. he's never denied the

16:04

holocaust. And and what's funny as well was like the Daily

16:06

Mail of ofprinted stuff before where they've said he's

16:08

he's a holocaust denier that says that the

16:10

Jews were behind the holocaust.

16:11

I thought it

16:12

was a month. Right.

16:13

Exactly. I thought it was. This

16:16

you this is what this this is my point in general

16:18

today about why I think the hour average person

16:20

to less invested for one reason or another can

16:22

see through things like that. Like, you can't you don't you

16:24

don't forget that they just the arguments are

16:27

contradictory, but they're just trying

16:29

to let you know, what what's the term

16:31

level their bets? Or or, you know, basically just

16:33

put it everything out, they can't possible, and hope they

16:35

reach everybody with something. You know? That's it's

16:38

very obvious. It's the same. Isn't it throw

16:40

enough shit at some sticks? Yeah. Exactly. That's

16:42

what it is. It's just like lugget, barrels,

16:44

barrels. Right. Because, you know, what they want to

16:46

create is they want to create sorry. Yeah.

16:48

They they wanna create a situation where

16:50

there's

16:50

apathy towards him. Mhmm. Right. You

16:52

know what? You know what? would you

16:54

feel sympathy for an anti semite hate

16:56

preacher? No. I don't

16:58

think so. I think that's a very nice

17:00

person. Mhmm. So that's what they throw

17:02

and they throw that and they throw that. So then you look at it and

17:04

instead of going, I'll make this

17:05

dude who's committed. No crime has never been

17:08

convicted of a single crime or accused of a single crime.

17:10

It's been banned twenty six EU countries.

17:12

That's a bit mental. You

17:14

go, oh, well, we had to ban the hate

17:16

pressure. So what should we do in our country

17:18

is on? Well,

17:18

I mean, the the

17:19

interesting thing to point out here is and this

17:21

is what becomes so insulting is,

17:23

you know, like your point,

17:25

Somebody out there is gonna say, well, it seems a little

17:27

over the top. But, you know, x, y, and z, here's

17:29

what he said, and it's here's a daily mail claims he

17:32

said. But there is an endless amount of people you

17:34

could point out right now that are even being

17:36

demonized by the media for different reasons and

17:38

some are just justified who aren't

17:40

being banned. know, there's plenty of people. You can make the same

17:42

overlap with the whole banking conversation today

17:44

where you got Canadian protesters

17:46

having their bank accounts pulled, but just like Maxwell still

17:48

has a bank account. Right? Like, what's

17:50

how do you look at that and not see that this contradictory.

17:52

Right? So, you know, why do you why do you think

17:54

if they're so desperate to shut

17:56

this kind of conversation down almost in

17:58

a way that will expose their hand elsewhere. You

18:00

know, what's the desperation from their perspective in

18:02

this? What what are so dangerous about what

18:04

the ideas he's spreading? What do you think it is

18:06

in their minds? people

18:08

start to listen to him. Yeah. And that's

18:10

terrifying. So what you do? I mean,

18:12

at first, he came out and everyone laughed at it.

18:14

And so the the establishment kinda

18:16

happy to leave him alone really because every time anyone said his name, people

18:18

started laughing and they're quite happy with that. That's

18:21

fine. Right. And and then, you

18:23

know, all of a sudden,

18:25

things start happening that are true, you

18:27

know. And and people then start looking back

18:29

and going, hang on, this this nuke, like I said, this like

18:31

twenty years shit. This is

18:33

weird. And, you know, I think probably

18:35

over the last three or four months,

18:37

I'm constantly getting tagged in stuff on

18:40

Twitter. where,

18:40

you know, people are going, oh my god. I've

18:42

just discovered this guy. He said this and blah blah blah. Mhmm.

18:44

I know, you know,

18:47

god,

18:47

who's the rep of Chris Brown? Like, he shared

18:49

a bunch of stuff. And and and

18:51

and then you've got, you know, Kanye West is

18:53

basically speaking out about things and

18:55

saying, I don't even care. I'm just gonna take it. And all

18:57

of a sudden, it feels like people are getting a little bit

19:00

more courage. Like, whether you agree with what people

19:02

are saying or not, The whole kind

19:04

of shush. Shush. Shush. Shush

19:06

isn't having the same effect on people anymore. People

19:08

have done. People are like, now I'm gonna say what

19:10

I want. And people like

19:12

my dad and Alex Jones and others of them

19:14

they've him whatever you might think of them

19:16

-- Mhmm. -- they have emboldened people

19:19

to go, if these guys can take all this shit for

19:21

thirty years, man, I can take it for two weeks. You

19:23

know, what about Look, I'll say what I think.

19:26

And that's terrifying. That that will

19:29

terrify

19:29

the the establishment, you know. Because,

19:32

you know, in America,

19:34

obviously, inflow was this huge here

19:36

in the UK and in Europe, you know, that's

19:38

obviously very well known. There'll

19:40

be people that didn't

19:42

get the shot or or or didn't

19:44

wear a mask or didn't go along with with

19:47

restrictions because of listening to what he was saying

19:49

and information that he was putting out there, you

19:51

know. So and see that

19:53

save people's lives. I mean, that's that's not a

19:55

false understanding today. Absolutely. A

19:57

hundred percent. A hundred percent. And and that's

19:59

a threat. you know, and so what you do, you

20:01

know, it's like everything is an

20:03

inversion, isn't it? So what do you accuse someone that

20:05

spreads love and peace and

20:08

anti war? you call them a hey Preacher. I mean,

20:10

that's Oh, yeah. We see that as he is

20:12

calling for negotiations for Ukraine

20:14

or being called a threat, like,

20:16

literally a nuclear expert comments about

20:18

how people calling for peace negotiations

20:20

are somehow a nuclear threat. I mean, we

20:22

we are living in the most ex obvious

20:24

example of the orwelling inversion that I've ever seen

20:26

in my lifetime, where literally war

20:28

is peace now. I mean, it's it's it's I mean,

20:30

and that that kind of speaks to the whole point about this

20:33

though is that

20:33

I think it really comes down to

20:36

objectivity. People that are being, you know, willing to

20:38

ask questions but to your point before, if

20:40

it was something as ridiculous as they

20:42

wanted to make it out to be before. As you said,

20:44

they were happy just to make it

20:46

ridiculous. Why would we even talk about

20:48

it? Well, it's the same conversation today. So why suddenly is it

20:50

a concern to them? And your point is because

20:52

people are starting to pay attention. They're starting

20:54

to connect the dots. And again, regardless

20:57

about anybody. There's a lot of people.

20:59

Alex Jones, one of them in the past that has been saying

21:01

have been laying this groundwork that is now

21:03

very clearly coming to pass, like the Klippe play

21:05

in the beginning. Now regardless of your opinions,

21:08

about every single talking point to

21:10

whether it's all accurate or not. A lot of this

21:12

stuff is very real today and we can see it.

21:14

The manufacturing I mean, even the Wuhan

21:16

lab conversation is being jammed in even more

21:18

again today. So the idea of making

21:20

things viruses and having them be used

21:22

for vaccinations or whatever you think

21:24

that That's a very real conversation that's being had. And that

21:26

is one of the main crux of the that's

21:29

one of the crux of the conversation he was

21:31

having back So I wanna get into

21:33

your the the actual arguments.

21:35

Right? And and what like, for instance, here here's

21:37

an article that I saw, and this is how this always gets

21:39

framed. And I think this is what they're

21:41

desperately. And I do mean I do mean desperately

21:43

trying to make happen with

21:46

the conversation. Here's vice.

21:49

lizard elite conspiracy theorist banned from

21:51

twenty six European countries. Now why

21:53

is that the angle they're taking in your mind? Right?

21:55

Because we're not even talking about this at this

21:57

point. We're either anti war protest

21:58

or some

21:59

COVID-nineteen misinformation or, you know, they're that

22:02

that seems like a weird

22:04

reach in this conversation now. So why do you think

22:06

that's being discussed? And if you could kind of,

22:08

you know, give me the idea behind what

22:10

they're saying there and why it's not

22:12

exactly, you know, giving me your thoughts on

22:15

it. Well,

22:15

this is to create people

22:17

think he's mad.

22:20

Mhmm. Right? You know, because if you just always the

22:22

lizard guy, you don't go into

22:24

the, you know, the background of nine hundred

22:26

pages of of, you know, single

22:28

book that breaks down this whole kind of theory

22:30

and where all this comes from. Next one

22:32

is that. You just go, Elizabeth

22:34

Gaye. And and so people just instant him.

22:36

And the first two words of that

22:38

is

22:38

fucking idiot. Right. So I

22:39

mean, that that and that's what you've tried create,

22:41

you know. And also, like, I've read the the the

22:43

subheader there where it says, you know, you speak speak a

22:46

rally for a conspiracies, a

22:48

conspiracies group. Wasn't you speaking an anti war

22:50

protest? Yeah. It's not it's not

22:52

to do with the conspiracy. There is

22:54

a war going on. Like,

22:56

I know because my heat is gone up. overlap

22:59

right there to realize that they're just kind of clumsily

23:01

patching in people now that are criticizing the

23:03

war in Ukraine as conspiracy

23:06

theorists Like, they're it it it speaks to the the kind of

23:08

desperation of everything that's happening right now. They're losing

23:10

control of these narratives. Right? So they

23:12

they call them all conspiracy theorists. I mean, that's

23:14

as easy as that. And It

23:16

doesn't have the same weight though, Ryan. You know,

23:18

that term doesn't have the same weight. Like and that's

23:20

part of the fear, I think, is

23:22

the sense I remember seeing a meme early doors where there was

23:24

two memes. One made me laugh where the the

23:27

the it's point of view, guys

23:29

driving and there's a cow in the air. that's just

23:31

calendar. And just as I was gonna

23:33

say saying, but it's twenty twenty in there.

23:35

So it's just so ridiculous. That's that's

23:37

fine. It's just a flying calendar. Of course, it's And then

23:39

the other meme I saw was saying, like, when you

23:41

want to create a great reset, but

23:43

you inadvertently create a great

23:45

awakening. And it feels kind of like that's

23:47

what's happened. Mhmm. In things

23:49

have been so insane over the last couple

23:51

of years, couple of three years nearly now.

23:54

They've pushed through so many things

23:56

that have I don't think they would have wanted

23:58

to. Like like for me, I think if I'm

23:59

if I'm running things from behind the scenes,

24:02

that's how I want it. I don't want

24:04

people to know who I am. I just wanna run it

24:06

nice and simple. Here we go. Here we go.

24:08

The best way of robbing people

24:10

is take a penny. take, you know, take a cent out of

24:12

everyone's bank account all over the world. I've still got

24:14

billions all in, but they

24:16

didn't notice it. Whereas these guys just went in and

24:18

took a hundred grand out of people's accounts, and

24:20

everyone goes, well, and then it was going on, you know,

24:22

sort of metaphorically. What because

24:24

oh, sorry. Go ahead. I was just gonna say that

24:26

the people's people's idea

24:27

of the possible

24:29

is so

24:29

different now to what it was three years ago. Right.

24:31

But actually, you know, because if you just said to someone three

24:33

and a half years ago, oh, yeah, what they're gonna do is and

24:35

then explain the whole COVID era. they

24:38

didn't put me in a pack itself. They'd be like, take on this week. And

24:40

do you know what else people would have gone? Well, I ain't

24:42

going along with it. Trust me, mate.

24:45

You're well. it comes but so, you

24:47

know, people looking at

24:49

the alternative theories

24:51

and form of the better

24:52

term conspiracy theories.

24:55

that people are far more open

24:57

to that

24:57

stuff now than they were three

24:59

years ago because of the sheer madness they've been through,

25:01

will have said their idea of the possible

25:03

it's completely changed. It's completely removed

25:06

from what it was before. But it kinda makes

25:08

you wonder, at the very least, you know, trying

25:10

to remain objective because we know that you

25:12

you know throughout history, there's been things like this that

25:14

appear something else and are are I often use

25:16

the standard oil breakup as an

25:19

example where, you know, on the surface, it appeared that there

25:21

was a win in reality, it was exactly

25:23

what was

25:24

what was desired. It increased the wealth and

25:26

the control over the industry and so on.

25:29

You know, but I recommend how big oil conquered the world

25:31

from James Corbett. But in this context,

25:33

you just make sure you have to ask, is

25:35

this that obvious today to

25:37

some degree because they want us seeing it. You know, do you have

25:39

any thoughts on that? Like, because I do think there are some of

25:41

those things happening. Like Oh, I don't potentially yeah.

25:43

I think III also think there

25:46

is one of a

25:48

silent conspiracy. There's no. I do I

25:50

do feel like there is something kind

25:52

of, you know, behind

25:54

it in terms of that you

25:56

know, even on a cult is sort of, they

25:58

have to tell you. They have to tell

26:00

you what they're doing. And I think

26:02

they like to do it slightly more subtly than

26:04

they are doing it because are literally just

26:06

announcing everything that they're planning. You know, there

26:08

are still people out there believe it or not

26:10

that work in mainstream media that still

26:12

think the great research is a conspiracy

26:14

I mean, that is is like, you know, that's

26:17

insanity. That's that's woof ignorance. There there can't

26:19

be anything more than that because like I said

26:21

earlier, like the guy the guy's written the book and he's

26:23

on Amazon. He can buy it, make Yeah. You know, they're

26:25

not trying to hide it. I

26:27

think what they're doing is that they're trying to

26:30

frame

26:31

it a good thing. So, you know, they're

26:33

they're not gonna come out and say, oh, by the way, what we

26:35

wanna do is we we wanna just destroy all

26:37

your lives and make them unbearable

26:40

and fool your lives. for

26:42

fear, so you can't heat your home says, a

26:44

wall. There's a deadly virus. We're gonna do

26:46

that stuff. And then what we'll do is we just offer

26:48

you the solution on the back of it. What you

26:50

reckon, guys? Everyone's gonna go obviously

26:52

not. Mhmm. Obviously not. That doesn't sound very

26:54

good at all. I'm not I'm not in. So

26:57

what they do is they just create all those issues

26:59

and all those panics and fear within people

27:01

like you know, Putin's

27:03

gonna nuke you. The virus is gonna

27:05

kill you.

27:06

Climate change is gonna destroy everything. You know,

27:08

like today, there's a new story. We're not gonna better grow

27:10

potatoes in England anymore soon

27:13

apparently. And so they

27:14

create all these fears that people

27:16

have, like which is the main fear, which isn't it, if we're

27:18

honest, that's most people's fear is death.

27:21

And not being able to sustain

27:24

your your family and feed

27:26

and her clothes and and put a

27:28

roof on the head and all that sort of stuff. So

27:30

then they go, well, why don't we do this

27:32

instead? Oh, okay. Yeah. Cool. We'll do that then

27:34

because I'll do anything to protect my

27:36

family. So then you have people like dad and us and Alex

27:38

Jones and all others coming along and saying, well, actually, you

27:40

do know this is a scam. Mhmm.

27:42

And, you know,

27:44

probably up until about

27:46

three years ago, most people would

27:48

go shishish shish w silly.

27:51

put

27:51

your track suit back on whatever little insults they want to

27:53

throw at you. Whereas now,

27:54

they're kind of going, I don't know,

27:57

actually.

27:57

nicely Maybe

27:58

maybe Maybe maybe you're right. Actually,

27:59

maybe you're onto something. And that's that would be

28:02

terrifying to to an

28:04

an elite that is so outnumbered.

28:06

Yep. you

28:07

know. That's the reality too is they realize that.

28:09

I mean, it could well be like you discussed that

28:11

it's kind of part parcel with the idea

28:14

of you know, creating this

28:16

shocking reality

28:17

will awaken people to it. It's kind of hard

28:20

to miss that, but at the same time, you know, you I

28:22

I also I don't think it's as simple as that. I

28:24

really do believe that the efforts of the

28:26

iconic network and others out there

28:28

trying

28:28

to call attention to these awoken

28:30

people to it. You know, I think I

28:32

think if the

28:33

injection whole process

28:36

would have gone to quite a bit different if it wasn't for

28:38

the independent media. That's I do believe

28:40

that. Hundred percent. But I don't think it

28:42

stopped at all. I mean, I think clearly we're seeing

28:44

the infrastructure. a roll forward. And I think

28:46

what's happening with David is is an

28:48

obvious example of of shock and all kind

28:50

of idea. We're trying to scare people back, you

28:52

know, billion dollar fine, you know, kind

28:54

of a thing is scare people back from --

28:56

Yeah. -- getting to point these things out.

28:58

So so I guess the the the last part of this

29:00

discussion, so I think is, you know, where you

29:02

see this going with what happened here? Do

29:04

you think this will cause people to

29:06

rise up and push back even more, which I'm

29:08

hoping for? Or and then

29:10

let's talk about the implications of this in

29:12

general. You know, we're I I think this is

29:14

transitioning from and I think he may be the

29:16

beginning of a real transition here

29:18

from you know, bad ideas, dangerous ideas

29:20

to what we see them patching together,

29:22

that those ideas are in fact

29:25

violence. And here, therefore, you

29:27

are a criminal who should be put in prison

29:29

just for saying those things. Right? So get what

29:31

are your thoughts and all that? Oh, hundred percent. And it

29:33

all ties in, you know, even like

29:35

the pronouns and all of this stuff. It's

29:37

all it's all linked where where

29:39

words are violence -- Mhmm. -- you

29:41

know, that actually you can cause

29:44

harm harm with words. And like I said earlier, you know, when I

29:46

said that dad was banned, the abuse I

29:48

took, words don't seem very

29:50

harmful when they come from that side, but, you know, you

29:52

you get any any back.

29:54

And and, I mean, we're probably

29:56

talking about this in our last chat, to be honest, because it's something

29:58

that I think a lot of people

29:59

spoke about about the fact of the

30:02

reframing of domestic terrorism, like

30:04

reframing conspiracy theorists as domestic

30:07

terrorists. Right. And then

30:09

you

30:09

look into public

30:11

health you know, like, I never heard I

30:13

don't know about over your way, but over

30:15

in the UK, no one ever talks about

30:17

public health. It wasn't it wasn't a thing.

30:19

It was your own health, like, how's your health?

30:22

that, yeah, I've got diabetes, i. e.

30:24

too much, you know, whatever. It was it was

30:26

a personal thing. It was on you.

30:28

But during the the the rona area, it

30:30

all became public health. So suddenly everyone's

30:33

collective, you know. And

30:35

so and then but then they're doing it on the other end, like,

30:37

you've got the gay community, the

30:39

LGBTQ community as if they're all the same. It's like, what

30:41

are you talking about? And I think that's

30:43

all part of it that you just create these

30:45

these these things so that actually when you

30:47

say something against something that's what

30:49

you're doing is you're actually attacking everyone.

30:52

And

30:52

and and

30:53

so then, you know, they can use those

30:56

those laws against you like the

30:58

the the harms bill they're

30:59

trying to put through here. I mean, I know they've put through in

31:01

New Zealand to places like that. I mean, that place is

31:04

insane, but they they they had

31:06

to in the UK for

31:08

now amend that online harm's bill.

31:10

So there was actually a part of it,

31:12

which was

31:15

harmful but not illegal. Right?

31:18

Mhmm. So how do you even define that?

31:20

Right? Like

31:20

so they actually took that bit out, but

31:22

they actually wanted that in. They wanted that in

31:24

that actually. could be charged something even though it wasn't

31:26

breaking a law because it was considered harmful.

31:28

And this is exactly the point as as you're

31:30

getting to. You know, the idea is that we're seeing this in

31:33

every every realm of

31:34

conversation. I I point back to the I think

31:37

this was twenty twenty or I

31:39

believe I forget I

31:41

forget first name is Newman. The blonde the blonde

31:43

lady in in congress who was speaking in

31:45

regard to the threat that's building, but we don't know

31:47

how to stop it. Right? And that what we're saying

31:49

in that discussion Same idea. This was

31:52

related to the whole white supremacy vanilla

31:54

ISIS side up kind of discussion is that they

31:56

were saying, well, you know, they're not really breaking the

31:58

rules necessarily. they're

31:59

finding ways to circumvent them. So they're

32:02

basically meaning, well, they're not doing anything

32:04

wrong. We just think that they think

32:06

these ideas when they say these words are

32:08

kind of the same point. So it's just a slippery

32:10

slope. But if they write that in there, the

32:11

argument then becomes, well, now you've just

32:14

over time criminalized the the

32:16

step before that. and then eventually gets to that step

32:18

and they do it again. Right? And just one by

32:20

one, it becomes, well, you can't even, you know,

32:22

have this kind of facial expression because that

32:24

leads to the words that then lead to

32:26

violence or You see, I mean, it's if that's exactly Yeah. So it

32:28

takes out crazy, but that's what's already happening,

32:30

you know? Well, that's easy if you if you if

32:32

you if I've got a bunch of people that are

32:34

opposing me, and they're opposing my agenda and my

32:36

plan. And they're kind of being a bit annoying because they're sort

32:38

of getting in my way a little bit. And I'm really bothered. They bubb

32:40

it off. Right. But they're not doing anything

32:42

illegal, so I can't do anything on the on the

32:44

legal side. I'll just change the law

32:46

then. Right? I'll just make what they're doing

32:48

illegal. And then all of a sudden, I don't say, look, they're all

32:50

criminals. Yeah. But they weren't ten

32:52

minutes ago. but they aren't here or they aren't now because that's

32:54

why we passed these laws to it, you know.

32:56

Yeah. because that's what the whole COVID

32:58

nonsense was where they were just putting through

33:00

things into legislation. They never took out.

33:03

Right? That's not the framework.

33:04

Yeah. That that's why it's still it's still

33:07

there. Yeah. Yeah. And

33:08

and just because, you know, you can go

33:10

to the local pub if it's still open

33:12

and not close down and and

33:14

sit, you know, next to someone at the

33:17

bar, it

33:17

doesn't mean that you're free. It just means

33:19

they're

33:19

just allowing you to do it for a

33:21

bit. They can stop you doing it whenever they want

33:23

if you, you know, if you comply with

33:26

it. Right. And and, you know, that the worst

33:28

thing for them is a population that's emboldened.

33:30

The population says, you know, I'm not doing it. because

33:32

then it's over. You don't even need

33:35

any any you

33:36

know, you don't need Donald Trump.

33:37

You don't need a save yet unless -- Right.

33:39

-- you don't want to stress. You can just do it yourself.

33:41

Just say, no. I'm not doing it, mate. It's done.

33:44

And

33:44

so anyone that emboldens people

33:46

to do that is a target,

33:48

you know, because, you know,

33:50

as you said earlier, you know,

33:52

it it sends a message for one,

33:55

you know, where you look at, you know,

33:57

I look at my dad, I look at, oh,

33:59

jeez, mate. If I've got not got a

34:01

lot of self confidence, you know, and it takes a little

34:03

bit for me to speak out. But if they can

34:05

do that to those, make they will have me for

34:07

breakfast -- Mhmm. -- lunch and tea. I'm

34:09

not gonna say anything then because it's too it's, you

34:11

know, it's frightening. I don't want to. I'm not gonna

34:13

say anything. And then you'll find that a lot

34:15

of people are like that. Right? You know, you

34:17

know, the the whole kind of think I said to you before, like,

34:20

when COVID started, you know, I just spoke

34:22

out from the beginning, but that was easy. I worked

34:24

for myself. Okay.

34:26

I understand that. I'm privileged in that sense.

34:28

And I I was getting

34:30

private messages from loads of mates. People I went to school

34:32

with that were like, oh, I wish I could say what

34:35

you're saying. but I'd be but I'd get fired. Right. You

34:37

know? And

34:38

and, you know, there's a lot of

34:39

people in that boat. And so people like

34:41

Medad and and Alex

34:44

and others the the oh, okay. Fine. You can't speak,

34:46

then I will. Mhmm. That that's a

34:48

threat, and and and they have to try and

34:50

silence that. And But I do feel

34:52

well, I know they've just gone a bit mental with it.

34:54

It's just it's it's absolute overkill now.

34:56

Yeah. Again, it

34:57

it could be the shock

34:59

aspect of this or it could be trying to drive

35:01

an overreaction. That's one thing I consider as well

35:03

for people to test it out and then they can frame that as

35:05

being the problem that they wanted it

35:08

to be just, you know, cautioned to everybody in general. But I I think ultimately

35:10

it is about just trying to scare people back

35:11

from having these ideas because all it does is it's

35:14

sort of a

35:16

milgram experiment concept that, well, oh, well, you know, if if he's asking

35:18

questions, why can't I ask questions? You know, because you're

35:20

right. There's a lot of people that are

35:22

just, you know, social science in

35:24

general, the our species. You know,

35:26

we're we're hurt animals. We want to be a

35:28

part of the crowd, and we want to be accepted,

35:30

and people then, you know, silence their

35:32

own ideas. because they're afraid. And this the stuff scares average

35:34

person. So that's what those are

35:36

about. Right. Right. When having your dad

35:38

speak up and on

35:40

a bash say that we're allowed to have these ideas, which

35:42

shockingly people haven't come to their own conclusions about,

35:44

like, maybe I can think for myself. It's

35:46

allowing them

35:48

to realize that. You know, the argument, like, I come like, I think Corbett

35:50

makes the argument about, like, the TSA,

35:52

you know, where people just kind of dutifully stand

35:54

in line until somebody stands up

35:56

and goes, why are we allowing

35:58

this? And somebody goes, oh, I didn't know. Didn't

36:00

realize we were allowed to push back. You know, it's like,

36:02

you've got to show people that there is another

36:04

avenue to all this. And I make that argument

36:06

voting and everything else. But I think that's

36:08

why they're so afraid is because it creates

36:09

the possibility of questions.

36:12

And that's I mean, think about how crazy that is

36:14

where a time where they're afraid of simply asking

36:16

questions because that's how hollow most of

36:18

these narratives are today. Right? Oh, completely. This

36:20

is it's you know, it's a bucks life, isn't

36:23

it? Yeah. The day, you know, or

36:25

ants, which is the same film, basically. Yeah. But

36:27

it's it's not a story line, isn't it? The

36:29

the one little one just goes

36:31

well,

36:31

no. Why are we doing

36:33

that? And then it just takes a while

36:35

they get attacked, told to shut up,

36:37

charge the grasshopper. But actually, in

36:39

the end, you know, when they realize,

36:41

man, there's so few of them and so many of us,

36:43

like, what the hell are we doing? Yeah. Like,

36:46

no, I'm not doing it anymore. Then it's,

36:48

you know, it would be came over as simple as that. And, you know,

36:50

we came so close here. Like,

36:52

in not yeah. Last Christmas. Right?

36:54

They wanted to close down

36:56

last Christmas they wanted because they got away

36:58

with it the Christmas before. Mhmm. And they wanted

37:00

to close down another Christmas where all these

37:02

businesses lose all that money. They would've been I mean,

37:04

loads of have gone anyway. But and the ones that survived, they're being brins

37:06

now by the cost of gas and

37:08

electric. But they would have cleaned up a

37:10

hell of a lot more if they'd lost

37:12

another Christmas. and they wanted it.

37:14

They were pushing for it so much. They were

37:16

Poland. They were Poland. Poland. Poland constantly.

37:18

It was incessant, honestly. I hate government

37:20

polls anyway, but they were everywhere. And all that was

37:22

coming back was, no,

37:24

we won't go along with it. If you do it, you we won't

37:26

go along with it. So then the government then

37:28

decided, no, no no restrictions this Christmas,

37:30

and you're like, Yeah. If you come up

37:32

with that. If you come up with that on your own -- Yeah. --

37:34

because because all all it would have happened is if they'd have

37:36

actually pushed ahead and done it and everyone would

37:38

have rejected it, gotten with their

37:40

lives, opened their restaurants, opened their

37:42

pubs, that would have absolutely

37:44

shot everything to the

37:46

floor because that shows then what we already

37:48

know, which is the dynamic, which

37:50

is they we are the many, they are the few.

37:52

Right. But but it would have shown it to

37:54

everyone and even to

37:56

the you know, head buried in the sand would have gone.

37:58

Oh, so we don't have to listen to government

37:59

all the time. Right. Right. Right. So is it

38:02

interesting? Okay. Let this know. You

38:04

know? And so they couldn't do

38:06

it. And that's why when people say it, I've

38:08

got so much of it for the last couple of years.

38:10

Protest don't make a difference. Protest don't make

38:12

a difference. okay, in a lot of

38:14

ways that don't that don't necessarily change government policy most of the time. But you know what? You get enough people

38:16

together, enough pushback. Absolutely. that's

38:20

the and and to then on mass create

38:23

a kind of a

38:25

a bit of a disobedience from

38:27

the general public that don't even necessarily go to the process

38:29

or even necessarily agree with them, but they're kind of

38:31

bored of the restrictions now. So I'm not gonna go

38:33

along with it. you if you create

38:35

that, then then you can end it. You can end it

38:38

like that. Game over.

38:40

I agree. agree. And again, at the

38:42

same point, that's what they're most

38:44

concerned about is you're allowing people to realize

38:46

like, 000 so I can say

38:48

no to this. Right? These

38:50

aren't, you know, law across the land. So I

38:52

can stand up and go, I don't wanna show a shutdown.

38:54

And I think that's the point is that's why

38:56

that's the win right there. the fact that they go

38:58

there, oh, we decided we won't do it this

39:00

year. That's the that's them going if we do. We'll

39:02

be exposed that we don't have the control, so

39:04

we'll pretend like we still have control and

39:06

make that choice. I saw a great

39:08

clip of of, I believe, it was in the UK.

39:10

I don't wanna miss either way, it's the

39:12

same point that it was a a group of

39:14

people protesting on the street. and they

39:16

were, you know, most of them try to put their hands in

39:18

the air, try to be like, we're not being violent. The police

39:20

come running at them, right, with

39:22

the art trying to scare the background get them to respond they

39:24

can use that violence to justify the shutdown. They

39:26

just stood their ground. They didn't back up for the

39:28

most part. And the police, they

39:30

called the

39:30

police's bluff. They ran up. got

39:33

close. They didn't do anything, so they just

39:35

backed away.

39:35

And it's a simple lesson to be

39:37

learned that, you know, you need don't take

39:39

the

39:39

bait. Right? Stand your ground. and

39:41

and and allow people to see that there

39:43

is you can stand up and push back. You know?

39:45

And I think that's the real point of all this is

39:47

they're desperately afraid of people like

39:50

your father because he's showing people that there is another choice that you can't think for

39:52

yourself. You know, exactly. So on

39:54

that note, you know, where where do you what

39:56

it if you if you know, what what

39:58

is what are David's plans with this? I

40:00

mean, is he Well, I think yeah.

40:02

I think there's some legal stuff going

40:04

on, not from him, but from the

40:06

organizers of the of the protest anyway because I think quite a few of

40:09

them are are lawyers anyway, like, you know,

40:11

the anti war lawyers. So human

40:13

rights lawyers. So they, you know, they know the

40:16

law and they know what they're doing. So I think, you know,

40:18

obviously, just let them get on with it. In

40:20

terms of that had – he

40:22

did want to do some tours next year in terms

40:24

of speaking engagements. Obviously, it's been

40:26

a long time because So

40:28

he refuses to to get jabbed or wear a mask or test or any of that

40:31

stuff. So as long as those things were in place,

40:33

he's like, well, I'm not

40:35

doing it. So I'm not going then. That's fine. I've, you know,

40:38

stand my ground exactly the same as I have. That's

40:40

why I've not not traveled abroad because I I wouldn't

40:42

go along with

40:44

that. Mhmm. And so, you know, that kind of might throw a little bit of a

40:46

spanner in that, so we'll have to have a bit of a conversation about

40:48

about how we're gonna do that. But, you know what? Just

40:50

quickly, like, one thing because it

40:52

was just I was just thinking it

40:54

while you were talking then actually, you know, in terms

40:56

of a reason to silence

40:58

it. They

40:58

actually kind of made a bit of

41:00

a rod for their own back with it. When they when they

41:02

made such a huge deal in the

41:05

Dutch press. Mhmm. And said all the

41:07

stuff they said about how it was hate and it

41:09

was this and that. I mean, honestly, if you were reading it

41:11

and you didn't know who the person was, you might well

41:13

be jeez. This person sounds like a bill of

41:15

work, Christ. I mean, you'd like to think you'd go

41:17

away and actually research you and go, if I know it.

41:19

No evidence for any of this. But most people don't. Of

41:21

course, they don't. So they would look at this and go, oh my god. They don't let us go in the

41:23

country. This is awful. But then obviously,

41:25

if they'd actually having

41:28

built up this whole kind of, you know, almost effigy

41:30

to be

41:31

burned at the stake like this hate

41:33

figure -- Right. -- if they'd

41:35

have actually allowed him to come

41:37

and give the speech where which he he did on the beach actually overlooking the

41:39

channel, and and we put up on the website and

41:41

stuff like that. That's the speech he would would

41:43

have delivered anyway. with

41:46

the exception, obviously, of mentioning that he'd been back. But

41:48

if he'd have actually gone there and

41:50

delivered the speech, an anti war

41:53

speech, a speech of love and uni. I

41:55

mean, how would that have worked? Because

41:57

if he'd have been allowed in, people would

41:59

have wanted to see what

42:02

he said. god. I can't believe. Let's see what you got there letting people

42:04

up. I

42:04

just kind of agree with him there, actually.

42:06

That's Yeah. You know, and it would that would have

42:08

been even bigger problems. So I actually think by

42:11

the because they made such an uproar about it. Actually, in the end,

42:13

it was probably a case of we actually have

42:15

to

42:15

ban him out because if he comes here and he

42:17

speaks and he gives and he delivers this

42:19

this this speech of peace and unity. This we had a

42:21

little like an absolute bunch of morons, you know,

42:24

like so I think that, you know,

42:25

maybe that was another reason

42:28

actually that shared desperation. And they always leave it to the last minute as

42:30

well every time. You know, so dad's

42:32

in the car driving to to it.

42:34

You know, they always do that. They did it

42:36

with Australia. He was literally

42:38

about to board the plane. They

42:40

did it with with

42:42

canceling book launches in

42:44

the US. Again, they always wait till the morning

42:46

of you know I think it's a level

42:48

of spite, to be quite honest. Like, a hundred

42:50

percent inconvenience for him.

42:53

Yeah. Hundred percent. if you think about it now, like, you know,

42:55

you think twenty six EU countries he's banned from. He's banned from

42:58

Australia already. He's banned from Australia

43:00

like three or four

43:02

years ago. So you would almost certainly, I would imagine you would chuck New Zealand

43:04

in with that. Canada's not gonna let him

43:06

in. And so actually, you you start to get to a

43:08

point, like, actually, this is a guy who's in

43:10

his seventies, He's never crime

43:12

ever. He's never been

43:14

he's never even been investigated for a crime. So

43:16

I mean, no one's ever even, you know, the police have never even

43:18

turned up at the door and gone here, what

43:21

you've said Yeah. Is now

43:23

banned from, you know,

43:25

major major countries, a a huge portion

43:27

of of the world that

43:29

that's insane. Like -- Yeah. -- even if you don't like the guy.

43:32

He's a leicester fan. So, I mean, that's fine not

43:34

to like that. But, you you know, if

43:36

lesser football take, by the way, or soccer

43:38

soccer teams. you

43:40

know, even if you don't like them, you

43:42

must at least have at

43:44

least the foresight to look at that

43:46

and go Even if it's just a selfish foresight, well hang on, that

43:48

could backfire on me in the

43:50

end because it doesn't matter how, you

43:52

know, you could be just

43:54

the oil and extension

43:56

rebellion, Go Greta, you could be that now,

43:58

but there'll be other things that you disagree with

44:00

the narrative on because no one agrees with the

44:02

state one hundred percent of the time. you

44:04

know, even even all the most virtuous buggers on

44:06

Twitter, there will be something. Say for instance,

44:08

like people like that within the Labour Party.

44:11

So it's Ukraine, It's the labor

44:14

pie. It's pronouns. It's David

44:16

IXafascist. It's pro Palestinian.

44:18

Alright. Well, that could be a problem. That

44:20

one, mate. that one actually might be a problem

44:22

for you further down the line. And so

44:24

have, you know, have that at least little

44:26

bit of foresight to go, do you know

44:29

what? this could

44:29

backfire on us as well. This isn't a very good

44:32

precedent. If you can if you know if you can

44:34

keep people up. I mean, how many how many

44:36

rapists were allowed in

44:38

to Holland? over the

44:38

weekend. My bet my you know, how many arms dealers? You

44:41

know, my my bet and would

44:43

be quite a few.

44:45

well, and and it's not I mean, the point is these are provable, you know,

44:48

people that have been arrested and charged and

44:50

even served time that are fairly

44:52

coming back and forth, and your point is

44:54

that that's obviously not the case here. Right? So this really does come down

44:56

to thought crime. Right? Simple as that.

44:58

You are you are

44:58

committing a crime by having ideas that we

45:02

haven't sanctioned. I mean,

45:03

we need to realize how alarming that really is in this moment.

45:05

And not not even getting into the point before about how this

45:07

is being used to argue that those

45:09

ideas are about violence. just

45:12

the idea that we are actually standing in a position where

45:14

the argument is, you're not allowed to have

45:16

those ideas. Like, let's just all reflect on

45:18

how alarming that really is. You know?

45:21

And I think this is we just need to keep

45:23

fighting this battle right now in real time because that's what

45:25

it comes down to. Is it, this is thought prime. And

45:27

you're not allowed to have the the

45:29

ideas that saying you're not allowed to discuss and what will

45:31

be tomorrow's idea that we're not allowed to discuss and how

45:34

important will that be, you know? Exactly. And

45:36

and also,

45:38

you know, how are we meant to have evolved as a

45:40

species? Right? It's it's people

45:42

that come in from left field, that come up with

45:44

ideas,

45:45

you know, someone came up

45:47

with the idea of in in in

45:49

in a satellite. People would have gone, no. No.

45:51

No. No. That's that's that's too

45:53

left field. That's too out there. No. We don't want that. We're looking.

45:55

We're never gonna there's gonna be

45:57

no innovation

45:58

of anything. You know? Like,

45:59

if if you literally if you only sanction

46:02

what is agreed now, then no one's

46:04

gonna push that boundary. You don't push that boundary. You

46:06

don't go anyway. You don't achieve it. You don't

46:08

you don't become anything. There's no more

46:10

trailblazers. They don't

46:11

exist anymore. Right? It was a clip that I always play in regard

46:14

to peer reviewed research

46:16

where the guy simply says, you know, that that's

46:18

there's a difference between academia

46:21

and science. But today that they're, you know,

46:23

they're essentially complaining or rather academia is what they

46:25

put forward as science. With the reality being

46:27

that if you only look at peer reviewed research, you're never

46:29

gonna let you point out, you're never gonna find the new. As I

46:31

think the analogy uses is the finest candlemakers in the world,

46:34

couldn't even fathom the idea of a light bulb. Right?

46:36

And if you had allowed them to be the deciding

46:38

factor, well,

46:40

they're their business is is hinging on the idea that that doesn't come to pass.

46:42

And that's sort of where we are today, right,

46:44

in a in a broadly deal. Yeah.

46:47

exactly that. And that's the thing, isn't it? What the

46:49

peer review thing is basically, I just need to get a load

46:51

of my peers to agree with me. But what if I'm

46:54

one step ahead of all of

46:56

them? Exactly. you know, good news. You know, this yeah. There

46:58

was lots of follow the science and look where that

47:00

goes, you know. Yeah. And I always said,

47:02

like, from the beginning, I say, with climate change,

47:04

with everything. I'll

47:06

follow the science when the science can't be poor until that point. I'm

47:10

suspicious. Well,

47:10

the simple idea of trust

47:14

the science is contradictory to the idea of the scientific method. Right?

47:16

And that's just an analogy for everything we're

47:18

dealing with today. You know? And so I I

47:20

think it's just it's it's important that we do

47:22

not let

47:24

this fall We make sure that this is you know, I mean, there's a lot of people that have

47:26

been censored myself included. So we it it's

47:28

not that the censorship is unique.

47:30

It's the idea of how this is

47:32

transitioning. and this is a huge

47:34

step. Like, this this is an unprecedented

47:36

leap into the idea that your ideas can

47:38

literally ban you while at your point. They're

47:40

allowing all sorts of criminals human traffickers to

47:42

have access to everything else. And I think it really just

47:45

show you that they're not really afraid of the

47:47

crime or even immoral illegal

47:50

action. They're concerned about challenging their narratives. And I think

47:52

that's why your work, David's work, and everybody

47:54

involved in the iconic network, Jamie,

47:57

Richard all you guys

47:58

are doing great work, and it's important to keep

47:59

challenging this. So, you know, thank you for taking the time

48:02

today and and then No, mate. It's been great. John was

48:04

funny. So when it when it first

48:06

happened, I tweeted. I said the the EU might be

48:08

smug now. But

48:10

if he wants to go, I'll just get him an Albanian

48:12

passport, stick him in a dengue. Right?

48:15

I mean, that tweet got reported a bunch of times. I

48:18

was getting these messages from

48:20

Twitter. Basically, say, like, you haven't broken the Twitter rules.

48:22

Of course, I haven't said

48:24

joke because say, I wanna stick with that and a thingy. But the point stands,

48:26

do you know what I mean? Like,

48:28

the the

48:28

there's a difference between saying, well, I'm

48:30

gonna ban you off of YouTube which

48:33

is a private organization, and you can go and

48:35

start your channel on rumble to

48:37

your band from most of Europe.

48:39

It's

48:39

it's slightly different, you know, Yeah. because I

48:41

I don't agree with the YouTube bands, but they're they're

48:44

not a powerful baby. Yeah. Yeah. That's

48:46

what I mean. This is this is a a huge

48:48

step in that direction of

48:50

real world. you know, where where I mean, it's just a it's one step away from

48:52

it being not just banned, but we need to

48:54

actively seek you out and hold you to

48:56

account for these violent acts that you've

48:58

committed. You

49:00

know, the words that you're discussing, you know. So that's why this is so important, guys. So

49:02

it's important. And again, it really does come down

49:04

to the point to finish this up,

49:06

but that it doesn't matter

49:08

really whether you agree with everything he's saying,

49:10

sort of like with Alex Jones. I mean, I've made my

49:12

stance pretty clear on

49:14

on on platforms in my opinions and so on. But you we still

49:16

should stand behind people like this that are being

49:18

persecuted for ideas even if

49:20

you think they're wrong because it will

49:22

be used to attack you

49:24

next. Right? So Exactly.

49:26

Exactly. Anything else you wanna leave us with

49:28

here today? Here's any upcoming projects or, you

49:30

know, anything you wanna shout out, your platform,

49:32

so on? Well, we're just – we've got kind

49:34

of a bit of a follow

49:36

week this week on

49:38

filming that we're doing a right now special, which

49:42

is kind of remember a remembrance

49:44

special like a war related episode, which I won't

49:46

give too much away because we've got like some

49:48

pretty cool amazing

49:50

guests that people will probably try and get

49:52

to cancel on us if I go public on it. But that's,

49:54

yeah, that's quite a big episode

49:56

right now this week. And then

49:59

And then the walk comes out in in just a

50:01

few weeks, which is kind

50:04

of, you know, because new media can be

50:06

quite depressing. you know,

50:08

it's it's very easy to kind of, you know, just look

50:10

at the bad stuff.

50:12

Mhmm. So we make a series every

50:14

year called the Walk where we go

50:16

this one's in Scotland, and we go and

50:19

meet historians and just quirky

50:21

people that are cool and interested.

50:23

We go walk in thirty

50:25

odd miles and and meet these people and and it's it's

50:27

crazy. Right? But but it's it's good for that.

50:29

And, yeah, that comes out soon. So I hope people

50:31

are like that. Like, there's one guy we

50:33

met like, in the of Loch Ness, and he's been looking for the Loch

50:35

Ness Monster since, like, nineteen ninety

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two. Right. Yeah.

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But he's like hella hella intelligent and knows exactly what's

50:42

going on in the world on a political level big

50:45

time. Like, he gets it. Yeah.

50:48

And which you wouldn't expect because you your idea

50:50

of someone that is looking for

50:52

a a monster for that many years

50:54

is that they're a little bit cray cray, but actually

50:56

he's like, totally on it. And it's it's really interesting, actually.

50:58

So I hope people like that, and they can watch it

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for free sign up for free seven day

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trial whenever

51:04

you like, Nice. Nice. It's odd that that's considered crazy, seeing us how it's

51:06

never been necessarily proven to not exist, and it's

51:08

simply talking about an animal in

51:10

our like,

51:12

maybe it's you know, it's just so funny that things are deemed crazy conspiracy

51:14

theory. You know, we're not allowed to point

51:16

out that the the whole moon story was

51:19

provably the accurate story today. Technologically

51:22

speaking, we can prove that. Yeah. We'll talk about it.

51:24

You know, like, there's so many topics

51:26

out there. It's just so funny to

51:28

me. But anyway, you know, it's so interesting to see that these are being challenging. It it is a hopeful note

51:30

I think that the people are seeing through these

51:34

things are standing up in times that I've never seen happen before. And the the

51:36

last thing I wanna play on the way out here is just

51:38

to show people that

51:40

regardless of

51:42

what happened, This is the tweet that was put up by rage against rage

51:44

against the vaccine. Then in the Netherlands,

51:46

the massive freedom demonstration that was planned, this

51:48

is on the seventh that's posted or today,

51:51

those planned in Amsterdam was canceled due to

51:54

David I expand. However,

51:56

thousands of people still decided to

51:58

peacefully demonstrate, and

52:00

this is

52:00

the government's bomb. Just to show people

52:02

that

52:02

regardless of what happened, people stood up anyway.

52:05

They went out there anyway and stood up for

52:07

a peaceful a peaceful rally and the government

52:09

responded with violence anyway.

52:11

Right. They're scared of you, guys. They're scared of you

52:13

and they're scared of what's happening, so stay the

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course. Thank you for being here today, Garrett. I really

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appreciate it. Hey, man. See his brother.

52:20

Thanks, mate. And as always,

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everybody out there question everything. Come to your own

52:24

conclusions.

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Stay vigilant.