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December 31, 2023, thank you for joining me today. Well,

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I decided to do a little bit of a

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combination today. We haven't had a live

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discussion with Robert Inlakesh for a while, so

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I decided to invite him on today for

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sort of an interview slash daily wrap up

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focus on a few different

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points, but predominantly on what's going on in

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Israel and the Gaza focus. And

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I think it's important not only to hear

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his to read his writing about this, but

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to really see his, you know, visualize his

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perspective, it's been hearing him talk about it.

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The reason I say that is because as

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I've given him a lot of credit for in this entire process,

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as I just recently discussed with his article, 120 people

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on his and his kind of family

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reaching family unit has been killed in

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Gaza, which is unbelievable. And for somebody to be

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in that position and yet still be able to

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objectively cover this story deserves a lot of credit

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in my opinion. But I think he's got one

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of the most important perspectives on

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all this because of the personal side of it, but

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also because of his amazing

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work over the years on this exact topic. So Robert,

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it's good to have you on the show. Thanks

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for I guess co-hosting today. How are you? Thanks

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for having me. It's great to be back. Yeah, yeah.

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I haven't had you on live for a while, so it's good to get

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it, get you on talk about this stuff. So,

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you know, I mean, anything you want to start with in

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general, because I wanted to get into a couple of peripheral

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points first about Ukraine and Yemen. We were talking about before

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we started, but you know, just how are you, man? And

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you know what's going on? We haven't talked in a while

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like this and anything you want to start with people to

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know about like I mentioned your family. family stuff, but I

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don't know how much we'll get into that today, but people

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care about what you're going through, man. So anything you want to

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talk about to start out? Well,

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it's everything in

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my life really has been consumed by what's

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going on in Gaza, sort

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of a day-to-day dealing

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with it, trying

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to process everything that's going on

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and be there

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for everyone in my

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personal life because it's not just

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through my wife's side

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of the family, we have family in the

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Gaza Strip, but also I

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have a lot of friends there and

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a lot of colleagues there and a

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lot of people who have family there

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who are on the outside as well.

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So yeah, that's basically been

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my life since October 7 has just

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been trying to deal with this and

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it's been hard to focus

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on anything outside of that to be honest,

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just because of the massive death and destruction.

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Right now, including those

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who are presumed dead and missing under

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the rubble, it's roughly 30,000

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people who have been killed. And

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that's probably how I

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can summarize how I've been. Well,

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you're a very humble person, but I

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just think there's a lot of

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credit to be able to cover this

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the way you have, man. And I don't know how you do it

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quite frankly. It's an impossible

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situation. And you're right. I

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mean, as much as this is all-consuming

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because it almost should be. Like

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I've been saying from the beginning, this is one of the biggest events

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that I think we will be talking about

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this for centuries to come because of how unprecedented

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this is. I

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also think that it really does connect in a lot

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of ways. And I don't even mean like conspiratorial, like

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that, like legitimately connects with so many different moving parts

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of a lot of different agendas, not even foreign policy

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related. And I just think

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people are just beginning to understand that. And

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going back to the origins of Zalu, Zionism

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or rather the state of Israel and how

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it all interconnects with governance of other countries

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I mean, it's an unnerving conversation to really

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get into and finally people are as well

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I think touch on today in regard to

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the op-ed from Harvard from a Jewish leader

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They're are finally finding the courage to acknowledge

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that you know, not that anti-semitism

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Anti-semitism doesn't exist nobody honest is gonna say

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that but rather that it's obviously being weaponized

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and has been for a very long time

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To cover up the crimes of the state of Israel

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as well as other many other topics I just think

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that's a monumental thing to

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see breaking down And I think we'll start

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off early at a point today also about

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the interesting shift of I think we'll start

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with that the corporate media You

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know and how all of a sudden it seems like

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they're telling the truth about what's going on in Israel

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Like actually what are your what what's your take on

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that? Like I don't think they're telling the truth I

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think it's a watered-down version of it. But what's your

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Opinion of that do you feel like they're suddenly telling

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the truth or and if so, what's the motivation behind

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that? What are your thoughts on that? I

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think they have to mix in some truths But

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they've just told so many lies at this point

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that it doesn't make up for it But in

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my personal opinion when I'm looking at this in

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their coverage a lot of it Taking

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aim specifically at Benjamin Netanyahu the

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Israeli prime minister And

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his coalition and the

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reality is it's not just Netanyahu

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who is a genocidal maniac The

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opposition are also genocidal maniacs in

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his war government which

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was established Benny Gantz is in there

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Benny Gantz and Yerlupi. They're the two

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leaders The two

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most prominent leaders in the Israeli opposition and

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both of them as well have

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genocidal sentiments So, you know in

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my opinion They know the US

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establishment that Benjamin Netanyahu is not

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going to be in power after

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this once the war ends And

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so they're trying to shift blame

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onto him for everything But we're

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talking about now a conflict which

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has gone on for more than

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75 years since the

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establishment of Israel. And

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it's been 75 years of apartheid policies

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of occupation. And a lot of people

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think that the occupation, a technical

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occupation began in 1967. It didn't.

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The people who are now citizens

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of, Palestinian citizens of Israel were

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under occupation since

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1948 up until 1966.

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So the occupation has been going on

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a very long time. Israel's policies have

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always been monstrous

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and extremely racist. But

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now what we're seeing is that, like you

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said at the beginning, this is an unprecedented

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event to see that they've killed 30,000 people.

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The closest thing they've done to that in the

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past is when they went into Lebanon. They

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killed roughly between 15 to

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20,000 people. And then after

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they expelled the Palestine Liberation Organization,

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which is the secular organization

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under which all different Palestinian

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political parties fit into, which was

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based in Lebanon at the time in

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opposition to the Israelis, of course, attempting to

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try and make a Palestinian

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state. When they expelled them from

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Lebanon, then they used their Christian

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militias to commit all

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sorts of horrifying massacres against

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Palestinian refugees and

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Lebanese as well. Lebanese were killed

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in these massacres, which took place. But

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in terms of the sheer scale of

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what we're seeing now in such

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a short period of time, it's

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hard to find an accurate historical

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comparison to what the Israelis

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have done. I've pointed

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this out before, and I try to point it

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out as much as possible, that if

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you look in the first two years of the

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ISIS insurgency in

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Iraq, the United Nations

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noted that some 18,800 civilians were

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killed in roughly the first two

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years. Israel... having

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killed around 30,000 people

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in just less than three months,

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well outdoes those civilian

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death tolls. If you look at the child

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death toll alone in Gaza, which is set

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at around 11,000 now, in Syria, between 2013

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and 2023, according to UN statistics, ISIS

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killed roughly just

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over 5,000 civilians in total

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in Syria. That's according to

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the UN statistics. So Israel has

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killed in less than three months

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more or less double,

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more than double actually, the amount of

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children of the entire ISIS

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death toll in Syria

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in around 10 years. So

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that's what we're looking at right now. And

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then on top of that as well, you

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have to look at the sheer amount of

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bombs that have been dropped, the tonnage that

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has been dropped on Gaza, the fact that

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the majority of people in Gaza are now

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homeless. Like we're

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talking about around 90% of people have lost their

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homes or are homeless, they've been displaced. So

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it's completely unprecedented. And

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many of those people displaced now what for the

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fourth, fifth time? That's not exaggeration, right? I mean,

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I think what for the average would probably be

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the original Nakba, and then most, some people this

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might be the second time, but many of them

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have been removed from these different settlements, right? So

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that's multiple times for a lot of these people.

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I just, that's a part that sticks with me.

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The idea of, I just

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saw a video that really resonated with me. I think I'll actually

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end with that today. Just talking about

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these people that just rebuild everything,

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you know, the idea, really his main point was

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what they're attacking mostly here is hope. The

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idea that these you just the resilience

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of the Palestinian people to continue to come back

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and rebuild their homes and try to and live

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their lives in an unimaginable horror and then have

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them destroyed again and destroyed again. It just really

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sits with you, you know, and to your point

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about the children. I want to include

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these stats that like it's the fine points that stand

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out more than anything because of what you keep seeing

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is this Conflation with like you said oh well this

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many children died in Syria and they forget the fact

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that that was a longer war with More people and

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what you know it's it's an it is unprecedented, but

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we have numbers that show the horror 9,000

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children amputee amputated right having one having

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one arm or leg amputated. I think

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it was actually 9,000 without Anesthesia

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if I'm aware that correctly 80,000

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pregnant women being forced to march along you know I

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mean these things really stand out to the average person

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you just can't Conflate that with some other other

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focal point you know so it's it's really

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unnerving so back to the original question Oh

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actually one thing I want to ask you before

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we get back to the media you mentioned Gaza

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and the occupation there I actually glad you brought

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that up because this is one of those sticking

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points that people use to confuse and manipulate So

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I'm glad you said that so obviously as the

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UN is always maintained It's an occupied territory Palestine

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not just Gaza, but then the Gaza point where

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there was the militarization And then

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the removal they claim really have just

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while maintaining control of literally everything So it's still

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an occupation, but can you explain that for people

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why one? They're still clearly occupying

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all of Palestine and specifically Gaza whether or

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not they pulled out and why that's a

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confusing point for some people And how it's

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misused by by zydis Yeah,

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well there's three different Types

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of occupation which are going on which people

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don't know about so there's the occupation of

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the West Bank where? Israeli

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forces they have their military in

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the area. I won't go into the breakdown of area

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a B and C That

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occurs in the West Bank, so that's like

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a full-on Israeli internally occupying the West Bank

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But even in the West Bank you've got

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area a for instance where the Israelis will

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enter whenever they want don't get me wrong

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But that's under the de facto security

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control of the Palestinian apart And

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so Israeli soldiers aren't marching through central

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Ramallah every single day. They're on the

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periphery They set up checkpoints, but if

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you go into Ramallah in the West

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Bank where the Palestinian

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Authority is based out of, you're not

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going to see Israeli soldiers in central

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Ramallah. They play with

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semantics and try and depict

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the situation which isn't the reality. Then you

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have East Jerusalem, which under international

12:14

law again is occupied. Now

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Israel illegally annexed the territory,

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actually East Jerusalem, which

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the international community has completely rejected. The

12:24

only one really to recognize it is

12:27

the United States actually to say that

12:29

we recognize this annexation. It was Trump's

12:31

administration, correct? Trump's administration,

12:33

exactly. And Biden has carried

12:35

that on. He still recognizes

12:37

it as Israel's undivided capital,

12:40

or whatever they say, despite

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saying that they wanted to say solution, which

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doesn't make any sense. But regardless of that,

12:47

the occupation inside of East Jerusalem

12:49

looks different because Israel annexed it.

12:52

So they have police there,

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police forces as their occupying

12:56

force. It's not the army.

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So it's completely different. And

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Palestinians in East Jerusalem have

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a special ID, a Jerusalem

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ID. So that's a different

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system there. I won't go too deep into it. And

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then you have Gaza. And in Gaza,

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there was an occupation internally inside of

13:14

Gaza like there is currently today in

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the West Bank. But because the

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people of Gaza resisted and put

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up a lot of resistance, and

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also the second point here is

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Gaza biblically to the Israelis and

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the Israeli settler movement isn't as

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consequential and important to

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the Israeli settler movement as the West Bank. So

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they saw that it was getting dangerous for them

13:38

and their soldiers because of the resistance there.

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And what they did is they took

13:42

their forces from occupying internally. So Gazans

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could go to the beach. Wow, what

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a privilege. You could go to the beach

13:50

while you're still in your occupation. They withdrew

13:52

to the periphery. But

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they then took the settlers out,

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a few thousand settlers. sort

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of nut job crazy fanatics that

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they pulled out. And then they

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put in settlements surrounding Gaza, militarized

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settlements surrounding Gaza. And

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in 2006, you had the election, the

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Palestinian legislative election, which Hamas won.

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And when Hamas won that election, Israel

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then placed a blockade on Gaza, the

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United States and the European Union put

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sanctions on Gaza, so nothing comes in,

14:25

nothing comes out. Israel had complete and

14:28

utter control of the situation. The

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occupation of Gaza was worse because

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of the blockade and because of

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the economic sanctions. Then in 2007,

14:37

the US Bush administration, without authorization

14:40

of Congress, of course, because

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they never go to actually ask Congress for

14:45

these things, put funding

14:47

towards an illegal coup

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attempt using Hamid

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Dahlan, who was the head of

14:54

the Preventative Security Forces of the

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Palestinian Authority, to take by force

14:59

the democratically elected governing force out

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of Gaza. But Hamas saw

15:04

it coming and they preempted

15:06

it and they quashed that coup

15:08

that started like this. They call

15:10

it the Palestinian Civil War between

15:12

the Fatah Party and Hamas. When

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they kicked the Palestinian Authority

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out, which was seized

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by Fatah, then

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Israel doubled down on its blockade in

15:24

2007. And

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so they control everything. They control the

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airspace, they control the waters, they control

15:31

the entire, they call it a border

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area. It's not really a border. There's

15:35

the Rafah border with Egypt,

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but there's not a border around Gaza. You've

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got like our mister's lines and

15:42

the separation fence, but it's not a

15:44

border because Gaza is not

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a state. So it's still

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an occupied territory, according to the

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International Court of Justice, the United

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Nations, the majority opinion of countries

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in the United Nations, every

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single international legal body, human rights organization.

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It's just common sense. I think it's common sense, yeah. You

16:05

know, that's the frustrating part about this is you have

16:08

all the evidence everywhere, including the international bodies that they

16:10

tell you you're supposed to look to, and it's all

16:13

very clear. And so I'm glad – thank you for explaining that because that's

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– there's a lot of information

16:17

there. And even then, I'm sure you could go

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on for another hour about the different finer points.

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And so it's important for the average person to

16:24

understand the just inherent blatant willful lie that's being

16:26

spun around that point. And

16:28

again, to the beach point you made, and then, you

16:30

know, there's supposed to be allowances to be fish to

16:33

fish, but as you pointed out in many interviews in

16:35

the past, that the allowance, even though

16:37

they're supposed to be like legally allowed a certain amount, Israel

16:39

changes that day to day and they're not notified about it,

16:41

so they'll just get shot for being one mile out in

16:43

the ocean, or you know, whatever it is. And it's just

16:45

– it's always under control, you

16:47

know. And I actually just saw an interview with

16:50

Mark Lamont with a former Israeli official saying

16:53

the same – you know, basically pushing back on

16:55

the same point. Like they have complete control over

16:57

every single aspect, including the Rafa border, even though

16:59

Egypt, yes, controls their side of it, to argue

17:01

that somehow they're allowing Hamas to have control over

17:03

what goes in and out. I mean, it's just

17:05

comical. I mean, it doesn't make any sense, so

17:07

thank you for that. So let's

17:10

start with the point about – Ukraine,

17:12

really, I wanted to get into, and I'll include this

17:14

by the way since you brought up the Hamas points

17:16

for people that don't know that clearly Israel

17:18

has been funding Hamas. It's stated

17:21

by Netanyahu it shouldn't be a secret anymore, but they'll still

17:23

don't seem to know that point. Well, let's

17:25

start with the Ukraine point, but really this goes

17:27

into the larger point as well about why the

17:29

corporate media seems to at least be giving you

17:31

some things that we would argue are true. And

17:34

this comes from a report – this

17:36

is from clandestine discussing a Ukraine launch

17:39

with NATO weapons on a

17:41

civilian location killing – started at 14, turns

17:43

out to be 22, even reported

17:45

by the New York Times. Ukrainian missile

17:47

attack on a Russian city kills 22, hitting

17:50

civilian locations, reported in the article. But

17:52

just really quickly on your thoughts on that and

17:54

how interesting it is that suddenly Ukraine doesn't matter

17:56

right now. They're going, yeah, they killed civilians even

17:58

before you have evidence of them – bombing the

18:00

Kromestok train station or Poland

18:02

with a bomb, and it doesn't really get this kind

18:05

of critique. So why do you think it's happening now?

18:07

And then again, we kind of already touched on why

18:09

they're shifting their truth. Well,

18:11

I'm not an expert on the Ukraine war,

18:13

but it looks like it's coming

18:16

to an end soon and that

18:18

it's over for the Ukrainian side.

18:21

And it looks like they're committing acts of

18:23

desperation at this point. And the US media

18:26

to their credit, at least reported on this

18:29

and their biased reporting on Ukraine has

18:31

been very clear for the entirety of

18:33

the two years of the conflict. Now

18:35

we're heading into two years. But

18:40

when we're looking at what's going on

18:42

there, it's interesting because the United

18:45

States government is still condemning Russia.

18:47

And they say that Russia has

18:49

tried to commit genocide and that

18:52

Russia is an occupying force and

18:54

Russia illegally annexed territory and Russia

18:56

killed civilians and Russia bombed them

18:58

all. Oh, my

19:01

theory with this, the

19:03

way that United States government speaks is

19:05

that Russia is not sufficiently defending itself.

19:07

In order to defend yourself properly, you

19:09

need to massacre 11,000 children and 30,000 civilians.

19:14

I'm sorry to laugh about that, but it's just like, that's

19:16

such a perfect point. Sorry, go ahead. Yeah,

19:20

sufficient self-defense is

19:22

to massacre 20 times plus the

19:25

amount of people that are killed on your side, civilians.

19:28

Can't go after soldiers. That's where Russia

19:30

is going wrong with its self-defense. It's

19:33

killing too many soldiers. It needs to

19:35

kill more children and women and elderly

19:37

people in order to get the US

19:39

stamp of approval of self-defense. Gosh,

19:42

for those that can't pick up on sarcasm, he's

19:44

obviously making a joke about the comparative. The way

19:46

that you can, as even Matt Miller will argue,

19:48

we know we need to investigate every single bomb

19:50

to be able to do, but Russia comes out

19:53

and does one. Whether

19:55

or not they commit what you think they did, they

19:57

didn't even investigate anything. They call it genocide, and it's

19:59

just such a hypocrite. stance and you're there's

20:01

just no comparing the two discussions interesting

20:04

point though when you talk about an occupying force This

20:07

is an important legality around this right so

20:09

the argument would be in

20:11

the midst of warfare Territory

20:13

is taken or you know, I guess

20:16

temporarily occupied It's a more legal word

20:18

for it and then it becomes a

20:20

legal occupation if you don't remove After

20:23

the war right and this is where Israel kind

20:25

of makes this argument that they've always made They've

20:27

been in some on forever war when they want

20:29

to but then argue they're not what suits their

20:32

interests But so you couldn't argue

20:34

Russia is occupying Moving

20:37

from Crimea and Donbass from the conversation even

20:40

though we can prove they're not illegally occupying

20:42

those Other parts of Ukraine

20:44

technically right now they wouldn't be because they're still in

20:46

an ongoing war. Is that correct? Well,

20:49

the difference between occupation and what's

20:51

called an annexation is that an

20:53

occupation is temporary So if

20:55

you're in a territory temporarily and you don't

20:57

want to seize that territory for instance in

21:00

the Donbass and in Crimea Russia

21:02

annex the territory, right And

21:05

so it absorbed it into its own country and

21:07

they voted for it in both places Yeah,

21:10

so they had they had votes for

21:12

it and they had this whole process

21:14

The United States will say that that's

21:17

illegal and it's wrong and whatnot Even

21:19

though they recognized that the Syrian Jolan

21:21

which no other countries recognized really as

21:23

part of the Israeli territory is Yeah

21:26

Yeah, they annexed that that's fine That's their

21:28

territory and the East Jerusalem is Israel's territory

21:30

too despite the fact that that's a violation

21:33

of international law And there were no votes

21:35

there by people to join

21:37

into Israel They just took it and

21:39

declared that it's theirs in the 80s the

21:41

early eight obvious It's

21:44

just so it's on the face of this conversation,

21:46

you know And again while they're allowing the biggest

21:48

genocide we've seen in our lifetimes and calling it

21:50

legal and rules based international order It's just that

21:52

this is largely why I think people are so

21:54

aware of this You just can't this just doesn't

21:57

work doesn't matter how stupid you are. This is

21:59

just doesn't work And either you're invested in the narrative

22:01

or you aren't. I think that's all that's happening right now, quite

22:03

frankly. I

22:05

think it's quite clear for everyone to

22:07

see what's going on. The finer details,

22:09

I think, yes, there

22:11

can be discussion

22:14

on finer details about what's going

22:16

on. We can debate whatever.

22:18

We can talk about October 7. We

22:20

can talk about different strategies the Israelis have. We can

22:22

talk about Hamas. We can talk about everything we want.

22:24

But at the end of the day, it's very clear

22:26

what Israel is doing. I don't

22:29

think anything clouds that. I think anyone with

22:31

the most basic understanding that just goes into

22:33

this and looks at numbers and just looks

22:35

at the videos and photos and sees what

22:37

Israel is doing, does a

22:39

basic Google search on it, could see what's going on.

22:42

Exactly. That's the point I made before about

22:44

in the past, they'll tell you,

22:46

if you're questioning this or that, well, look to the

22:49

UN. Look to Oxfam, UNICEF, all these groups. And now

22:51

they're all saying the same thing. And now they're Hamas,

22:53

apparently. No

22:55

more statement, just they are Hamas. It's

22:57

insulting to your intelligence. Last on this point,

23:00

he points out, the Russians have called an emergency

23:03

UN security meeting because of this bombing in a

23:05

civilian location in Russia. And officials

23:07

in Russia are blaming the US, as I think

23:09

is an obvious case to make. Russian ambassador is

23:11

saying that they spoke to the media. And they're

23:14

saying the US is waging a hybrid war against

23:16

Russia, and also basically trying desperately to get them

23:18

to respond. I think that's a fair statement. I

23:20

think they've all, like with Syria, that's a classic

23:22

tactic. When they respond, that becomes the impetus for

23:25

the point. And you forget about the original actions.

23:29

Now, we also have the point about this. Now, I know we have a

23:31

limited time today. So I just really want to include this. And you can

23:33

comment on if you want. US

23:35

Navy has now been downing missiles in the Red Sea

23:38

in regard to attacks on the ships, which I

23:40

still wonder how much of this is, in fact,

23:42

actually happening. I'm not disputing that the Yemeni, the

23:45

Houthis, or the Israeli movement have these capabilities. I

23:47

just know that it's very easy for them to

23:49

lie about this kind of stuff. And

23:51

then the Navy has besunked three Houthi boats

23:54

in the sea. This is going to escalate, I think, from a

23:56

lot of different angles. Do you have any thoughts on that? Yeah,

23:59

well. Yemen's Ansar

24:01

Allah, they released a statement on

24:03

this and that they said that

24:05

the American government bears the repercussions

24:08

for this. They

24:10

killed 10 Yemeni naval

24:12

soldiers. And

24:15

yeah, the threat has been very

24:17

clear from Ansar Allah. They

24:20

said, we're going to stop all Israeli shipping. All

24:22

shipping going to the port of Ilahat is done.

24:25

It's over. Forget about it. If you're coming

24:28

through, you're risking your ship getting

24:30

hit at the end of the day. So you're

24:32

risking your life. You can either go the other route. You

24:34

can go around the entirety of the continent

24:37

of Africa and through into the Mediterranean. But

24:39

you're not coming through here. You're not coming.

24:42

And they'll hit them. And they still hit the ship as

24:44

well. The fact that the United

24:46

States bombed all of these Yemeni forces and

24:48

killed 10 people in the defense

24:51

of who and with what UN Security Council

24:53

resolution to back them militarizing this area of

24:55

the world. So it's illegal, number one. Number

24:58

two, did

25:00

the American people ask for this? Did the American

25:03

Congress approve of this? Was there any

25:05

approval of this? Or did they just throw a bunch

25:07

of ships in there, try and

25:09

get this coalition, this multinational coalition, which is just

25:11

a bunch of European countries? And then Bahrain

25:13

said, yeah, yeah, sure. We'll join. Bahrain

25:16

is negligible in terms of its naval capabilities.

25:20

It might send a few of its princes

25:22

to help block the sea there because they

25:24

all weigh at least 600, 700 pounds. So

25:27

maybe they're going to help, you know, like

25:30

they can put them in the ocean as a boy

25:32

or something. But

25:35

it's basically a European coalition to

25:37

what? Allow more

25:40

goods to come into the Israelis to

25:43

allow them to continue their genocide. Normally,

25:46

the Yemenis have been very open about this. Let

25:49

the aid into Gaza. If you

25:51

let the aid just go in to the people who

25:53

are starving to death there now, we'll let the boats

25:55

go through. Go ahead. Let the aid in. The

25:58

United States says, no, we're going to do it.

26:01

send our navy there which risks a war

26:03

because the Yemenis can blow those boats out the

26:05

water. Those aircraft carriers, they're not going to

26:07

exist if they want to go to war. If

26:09

they want to strike Yemeni territory and go

26:11

to war with Ansar Allah, they'll lose all of

26:13

it. It's done. Then what do they

26:16

do? Looking like idiots with a bunch with

26:18

how ever many soldiers are there from

26:21

their navy on those aircraft carriers and

26:23

those boats. When they're at the bottom

26:25

of the ocean or they're floating

26:27

in the water, then what? Are

26:30

you going to use nuclear weapons? Because invading it,

26:33

well, we've seen how that's

26:35

gone in the war on Yemen so

26:38

far. It's not going to make a difference throwing

26:40

US troops into another forever war. They're not going

26:42

to win that war. Right. I

26:45

agree. I agree. But here,

26:47

there's a legal issue here though that

26:49

I think is really important. Trying to

26:51

be objective about this is that technically,

26:54

if you're striking – now, there's a whole issue

26:57

to this, or whether or not Israel's utilizing

26:59

civilian ships to – in which we know all these

27:01

– they always accuse their adversaries of

27:04

it, but I think they all do it during times of war.

27:06

I think it's just a tactic. That would

27:08

mean if they were, then that would make

27:10

it a military target. But if they are

27:12

in fact just targeting anything Israel-related, that's technically

27:14

a crime if it's not in the context

27:16

of the military engagement. I think

27:18

this gets really difficult because like with Hamas, for

27:20

example, saying that – and we'll get into this

27:22

next in regard to October 7th, that well, we

27:25

see all of them as legal targets because it's all

27:27

part of this occupation they brought in. There's an argument

27:29

we made there, but my point is hard line

27:32

for civilians. You just can't cross that line. You have

27:34

to maintain that if you want any accountability

27:38

or respectability. Now, when that's happening,

27:40

I think that there's a line

27:42

being crossed there. I can understand why that gets

27:44

pushed because Israel's crossing lines all over the place.

27:46

But you see what I'm saying? It's interesting. Then

27:48

in regard to the – well, just I wanted

27:50

to point out that there was a ship that

27:52

was literally flying like, we're not Israel. We're not

27:54

– literally in the little tag they type in,

27:56

it said something like IOC, not Israel. So –

28:00

And that was funny because they're just clearly getting

28:02

the message and so it's working also as the

28:04

point So any thoughts on that in regards to

28:06

legalities? Well, we can talk

28:08

about legalities all day long what they're doing Sure,

28:10

whatever like we could say that it's illegal But

28:13

we live in a world where there's no such

28:15

thing as legal or illegal anymore that the International

28:17

Criminal Court doesn't matter International law

28:19

doesn't matter. It doesn't that make an impact because

28:21

they can carry out a genocide in Gaza and

28:23

by the way The people

28:25

of Yemen know what it's like to be blockaded by

28:28

the way because the blockade on Yemen is illegal as

28:30

well so if you're gonna

28:32

blockade Yemen and starve the people to

28:34

death to the tune of 400,000

28:36

people in the country and You're

28:39

gonna bomb them into the ground and

28:41

you're gonna deprive them of their rights and

28:44

you're gonna steal their resources And

28:46

then when they choose to fight back in

28:48

defense of another people who have been

28:50

starved to death who are being blockaded Who

28:53

all these war crimes are agreeing to but

28:55

now Yemen what it's doing Oh, it's illegal

28:58

under international law to stop shipping

29:00

coming into a certain area. I think they could

29:02

make their legal arguments I'm not a lawyer. I'm

29:04

not qualified to talk about How

29:07

legal whatever is but I can talk

29:09

morally What's

29:11

what's more moral if the law is not

29:13

being respected? And also you can

29:16

you can tell somebody for instance They can be a

29:18

criminal with a gun running down the road and shooting

29:20

at grandmothers and you can go hey, that's illegal And

29:23

he just keeps shooting people or do you grab your

29:26

weapon and you kill him? Just

29:28

something from killing more people now. Well,

29:30

they're both deaths aren't they they're both

29:32

killing but at the end of the day Understandable

29:35

why you've taken out the shooter. So

29:38

that's what they're doing They're doing whatever

29:40

they can to support a people who

29:42

are being subjected to genocide as

29:45

an attempted ethnic cleansing a really actually an

29:47

ethnic cleansing because the majority of them have

29:49

already been pushed for their from their homes

29:51

and Her being starved to death So

29:53

and they've been occupied and this is

29:55

the thing they talk about international law

29:57

and they talk about legality. Where is that?

30:00

the legality. We live in a world of

30:02

the powerful and the powerless, and that's what

30:04

the United States government has done. It's undermined

30:06

every international institution with this. It

30:09

doesn't even go to its own Congress anymore

30:11

to order strikes on foreign territory, to militarize

30:13

areas of the world, which it wants to

30:15

militarize, to send bombs

30:17

to a country which actively is

30:19

being accused of

30:22

committing genocide. The genocide

30:24

convention has been

30:26

triggered against it, and Blinken,

30:28

who goes over there and says, I

30:30

come to Israel as a Jew,

30:32

he says, so he comes there as a

30:34

Jew, not as an

30:36

American official, and goes, I'm openly in

30:39

solidarity with everything you're doing. That's basically

30:41

what that meant. That's what

30:43

he meant. I'm here with you. I'm

30:46

not going to be balanced on this. And then

30:48

he goes, I'm going to send hundreds

30:51

of millions in weapons so you can

30:53

continue to kill children. So

30:57

what Yemen's doing morally

30:59

is fully correct and justified.

31:02

Hundred percent. Now, if

31:04

there's some legal implications, oh, well, they

31:06

stopped some boats going to the Israeli

31:08

side. Israelis are not starving because of

31:10

this. The Israelis economically are suffering. But

31:12

at the end of the day, you're

31:14

living on occupied territory. You've got an

31:16

army which is committing a genocide. I'm

31:19

sorry. Yeah, there should be a blockade from

31:21

all angles. Until you stop

31:23

a genocide. Yeah, if that's what it's

31:25

going to take to stop a genocide, morally I'm speaking,

31:28

morally I'm speaking, blockade them from

31:31

all angles, Mediterranean as well. Nothing comes in. If

31:33

you're going to starve Gaza, you starve until you

31:35

stop it as well. If

31:38

there's no problem, if the law, I would

31:40

be fully for the law and all the

31:42

legal arguments. I would, I would say, yes,

31:44

stop doing that. If the law

31:46

was respected, but nobody respects the

31:48

law, that's the problem. The law is just

31:50

a bunch of writing on a piece of

31:52

paper and it only applies to powerless people

31:55

who have nothing, no

31:57

way to fight back. Yeah

32:00

everything you said is completely true man and it

32:02

quite frankly agree with everything you're saying but the

32:04

hard line here. And this is really

32:07

a conversation of the day that i think we should

32:09

even have like a really good depth because this is

32:11

it's it's obviously i don't even know. It's

32:14

almost impossible to make a decision here because

32:16

you're at a point where like i guess

32:18

the obvious logical point trying to remove emotion

32:20

from it would be. That even though they're

32:22

not respecting the law or whatever kind of

32:24

moral even guidance that we use to kind

32:26

of influence the law it's not being acknowledged

32:28

or even followed by them. Then

32:30

if we did the point that would be that if

32:33

we don't either then it just becomes the

32:35

same point that then just become this fulfilling

32:37

same cycle of. You know like i

32:39

guess the argument be to act in

32:41

a way that is trying to better that situation

32:43

like i'm getting a product and not an unemotional

32:46

point but then coming from the other side of

32:48

it like you just can't be in a position. Living

32:51

in your air conditioned home and everything is fine

32:53

you know and then acting like these people who

32:55

have been murdering raped and pillaged and suppress your

32:58

their entire existence and act like they like it's

33:00

not justified to act in response to that because

33:02

i mean technically legally it is justified but this

33:04

is where you get into the point of what

33:07

i was getting to about the. Not

33:09

just holding the ships but actually targeting the ships

33:11

with missiles if again that is actually what happened

33:13

that's more what i was getting at because i

33:15

think technically it is a crime and. I get

33:18

it but i would if you watch it happening

33:20

it's kind of hard not to say what i

33:22

completely get why they're doing this they have been.

33:25

Starved and suppressed by these people so it's even

33:27

justified since they're not following the law but my

33:29

again it's just it's you get what i'm coming

33:31

from it becomes this impossible situation where if we're

33:33

trying to get away from this cycle. Doing

33:36

the same thing they do in response is almost

33:39

a guarantee that that won't end unless you have the

33:41

hopes of the person that is doing so will. You

33:44

know immediately stop doing all those things once this passes

33:46

which is the hope right i mean i get it's

33:48

just an interesting thing you know i mean i said

33:50

i responded good if you want to say anything response

33:52

to that but it's just such a complicated

33:55

situation and i think we always have to err on the

33:57

side of the people that are suppressed.

33:59

Have. no voice that are being manipulated, you know.

34:02

Also, this is Yemeni territory and Yemeni waters

34:04

as well. That's another thing. And if there

34:06

waterways in their area of the world. So

34:09

another thing is if you send American, the ones

34:11

who've been killing people, by the way, in the

34:13

area are not the Yemenis. They haven't been killing

34:16

people. And if you fire ammunition into a ship,

34:18

you can do it in such a way where

34:20

you're not going to kill people, but you're going

34:22

to stop that ship from moving. And

34:24

they've said it, you're not coming through

34:27

here. We've locked it down. Now blockading

34:29

an area. Right. The full legal implications

34:31

of whatever a blockade is. But if

34:33

you're doing it during the course of a

34:35

war and it's not starving

34:38

a civilian population, it's economically

34:40

damaging them and preventing certain goods

34:42

from coming to them and aiding

34:44

them and abetting their war crimes.

34:47

If you're doing that, you can make your legal

34:49

arguments. Again, I'm not an international lawyer, so I'm

34:51

not going to make that. I'm not making the

34:53

legal cases here. I'm making the moral case. Have

34:55

the Yemeni has been killing innocent civilians on those

34:58

ships? No,

35:01

they haven't been. Who's been killing people? The

35:03

United States military just killed 10 people.

35:06

So, and in a territory which is not their

35:08

own. So in terms of

35:10

what Yemen is doing morally, I think it's

35:12

completely correct. I don't think there's any problem

35:14

with it personally. That's how I see it.

35:17

I don't see there's any problem with it.

35:19

Legally, I'm not an international lawyer. I'm not

35:21

going to try and make any case any

35:23

way or the other. I don't know. I

35:26

can't tell you what is and isn't legal. What

35:28

you're saying, for instance, I can fully accept that

35:31

that's going to be interpreted as a crime. If

35:33

there's a case you can make that

35:35

stopping ships from coming to a country

35:39

and enforcing a blockade or administering sanctions

35:41

to a country, for instance, can be

35:44

legal in certain contexts to prevent a

35:46

certain regime from committing war crimes. For

35:48

instance, the US and the EU would

35:51

try and justify their sanctions on numerous

35:53

countries around the world because they say,

35:55

Bashar al-Assad is a war criminal or

35:57

exes of war criminal or whatever. And

36:00

again, it doesn't make it right because we know

36:02

that they're not sanctioning the leaders for saying they're

36:04

sanctioning the people But in this case the Israelis are

36:07

not starving like the Israelis, you

36:09

know, they might be suffering economically people might

36:11

lose their businesses But

36:13

you've made the choice the active choice to

36:15

be in an apartheid regime and support the

36:17

apartheid regime Which is now

36:20

committing a genocide and attempting to ethnically cleanse

36:22

the people and these are the people that

36:24

voted in their representatives Which are a bunch

36:27

of psychopaths who want to commit a genocide?

36:29

So here's the thing like when we're

36:31

getting into the legal thing I can say a

36:33

hundred percent I don't know with league legality and

36:35

I I could try and build cases Hypothetically,

36:38

but I don't know because I'm not

36:40

an international lawyer However morally the position

36:42

of the Yemenis the only ones in

36:45

the entire region or in the entire

36:47

world that has a state apparatus Which

36:50

has actually done anything to help them

36:53

to stop the genocide other than you

36:55

can argue South Africa really? Yeah,

36:58

and maybe Iran playing a certain

37:00

role there, but that's it Yeah,

37:03

well, so two things are important and then again

37:05

I think we should you know, we definitely should

37:07

talk about this more but you know I just

37:09

to be clear like well I mean first of

37:11

all I think what's difficult about that is the

37:13

argument of you know voting them in and so

37:15

on it's the same argument being thrown at Palestinians

37:17

to argue that while they voted in Hamas and

37:19

therefore we can kill them, you know It's just

37:21

difficult because not everybody there voted but you

37:23

know again to the main point though Let's just put it

37:25

like this from a personal perspective if I was in that

37:28

position you're damn right I would be acting that way like

37:30

let's just be very clear about that like that's I

37:32

from a moral perspective I absolutely believe

37:35

that if I was in that position if my

37:37

family was being killed and murdered I mean you're

37:39

damn right. I would rise up and fight back

37:41

hundred percent that just trying to be an objective,

37:43

you know discussing from this perspective It's it's really

37:46

difficult not to bring in those points and see

37:48

it But yeah, I mean, I think we're watching

37:51

the abuse of exactly what we're doing here Right

37:53

that the people in these leadership positions. They don't

37:55

care about the things we're talking about They don't

37:57

care about the human rights or the legalities or

37:59

the international law And yet here we

38:01

are trying to decide this and discuss it and

38:03

try to because we care about these things right

38:05

and that that's the Main point for me

38:07

is that the people pushing from this angle this

38:10

position I think are striving to achieve something that

38:12

has nothing to do with occupation or land theft.

38:14

It's about Self-determination right

38:16

I mean and that's what we'll get to the

38:18

the op-ed from Harvard point from

38:20

a Jewish leader making the same point You

38:22

know, but yeah, I think that's important I'm

38:25

glad you made that statement though because from a moral perspective

38:27

I think it is very clear as well The

38:29

one thing that I'd add to this is

38:31

when I talk about the Israelis electing their

38:33

leaders and by the way the Palestinians Haven't

38:36

had an election since 2006 and that's because

38:38

of the pilot in authority the United States

38:41

and the Israelis as well But

38:43

they haven't had an election so we don't know

38:45

who they've elected number two because the Israelis say

38:47

hey they elected Hamas So we can kill all

38:50

of them Obviously What

38:53

I'm saying what I'm saying is

38:55

not okay Israel They elected these

38:58

Israelis elected these fascistic nutjob

39:00

war criminal psychopaths who are a

39:02

bunch of narcissistic killers who want

39:05

to basically from every single major

39:07

party there want to mass murder

39:09

and ethnically cleanse

39:11

Palestinians from every major party

39:15

all of them think that way These are

39:17

all the major parties there with the exception

39:19

of a small small number of other parties

39:21

in their Knesset All of them

39:23

think this way. Okay, my point is

39:25

not that they should be killed for that but

39:28

if they're gonna lose business because

39:30

of that because they live inside

39:32

this genocidal entity and they elect

39:35

these leaders and their business in

39:37

Elat is going to be damaged

39:39

because And they voted

39:41

for this and they support this

39:43

and they support the war And

39:46

their business is gonna be damaged again. Not

39:48

a legal point a moral point Yeah,

39:51

I'm sorry. You're gonna lose some business bro

39:54

Like watch the way I look at it not that

39:56

they should be old for that. Of course.

39:58

That doesn't qualify you for Because

40:01

you voted in even – you voted in

40:03

the most fascist, racist government that the world

40:05

has seen at this point right now, today.

40:09

It doesn't qualify you

40:11

for being murdered morally. I

40:13

wouldn't make that argument. But if you're going to

40:15

lose some business, I mean yeah,

40:20

that's what you're making, by the way. Oh,

40:23

100%. That was clear. I don't think anybody took you as

40:25

suggesting people should be murdered. I don't think – your work

40:27

is clear on your opposition to things like that. But

40:30

I think what is –

40:32

the direction of the settled –

40:34

basically the larger point is that the

40:36

settle – the idea that this is

40:38

an occupation versus the other side –

40:40

that changes the dynamic, obviously. And

40:43

you could point out, too, I think it's important to note there's a lot

40:45

of people, Jews and otherwise

40:47

in Israel, that are actively advocating the opposite

40:49

of what those groups are. It's

40:51

the majority, for sure, in regard to the

40:53

leadership and everything we're talking about. But I

40:55

think that the fact that this is an

40:57

illegal occupation, which means then Israel is bringing

41:00

in civilians into what even they argue is

41:02

an ongoing war effort. I mean, there's a responsibility

41:04

there. These are all important dynamics to all this,

41:06

including the fact that Israel funded Hamas, which then

41:08

causes – you know, you could bring all this

41:10

around. And all these things are very important. So

41:13

I guess that to end on that segment, it's

41:15

just interesting that the point, again, is that we

41:17

seem to care about these things. About

41:20

whether or not we're acting

41:22

in accordance with the law

41:24

or human rights. And the reality is

41:26

the leaders or rulers only

41:28

use those things to manipulate people, and I think

41:30

that's at least my opinion. I think that's very

41:32

clear. And the other

41:34

thing that I would add just shortly

41:36

is that you can't expect occupied and

41:38

oppressed people and armed groups, which are

41:40

formed to defend them, to respect laws

41:42

that you don't respect, to fight in

41:45

a more moral way than the states,

41:47

which are – –

41:49

supposed to be bound by something more moral, and they're

41:51

supposed to be held to a higher standard. So yeah,

41:54

you can't go out to the people who are

41:57

subjected to genocide and have been murdered and – besieged

42:00

and starved and deprived of all human rights and

42:02

then go, hey, but hey, we have this piece

42:04

of paper here that we wrote back in the

42:06

40s. And that

42:08

says that if you want to fire a rocket, you've

42:10

got to go into an open field where we can

42:12

target and kill you straight away. So you have no

42:14

resistance. So your only legal resistance is to go into

42:17

an area where we can kill you with precision weapons.

42:19

Oh, we can't do that.

42:21

Oh, I

42:24

lost you. No,

42:27

you can't do that because you

42:30

don't have precision weapons. You don't have modern

42:32

guided munitions. So it's an indiscriminate weapon. We

42:34

drop indiscriminate weapons. That's fine. But if you

42:36

do it, that's a war crime. And we're

42:38

going to write it in our stupid human

42:41

rights reports about how Hamas committed a war

42:43

crime. Okay, give us precision guided missiles so

42:45

we can go find. No, no, no, no.

42:47

You can't have that because you're terrorists. So

42:50

every single time, no matter which

42:52

way you try and argue it,

42:54

it's just they can't win. And

42:57

there's also always some pseudo-legal jargon

42:59

which is thrown at them to

43:01

justify why they're the worst people on

43:03

Earth and why Israel is moral and

43:05

the United States government is moral somehow.

43:08

And don't forget, they just argued – and I'm at

43:10

this point that keep trying to make for them when

43:12

they make these cases that they targeted the al-Aqsa mosque

43:15

with their rockets yet make the argument that they're indiscriminate

43:17

because they're not guidance. And

43:19

that's why they're a war crime. This is

43:21

the obvious dishonesty from the statement. One last

43:23

question for you actually because maybe you

43:26

know this in the legal side of it. In

43:29

the context of this – so let's just take exactly like we're talking

43:31

about. But take two – you could take two different entities if that

43:33

makes it easier. And you have

43:35

the illegal occupier, the obvious one that

43:37

is in the wrong in the sense

43:40

of the illegal occupation. And

43:43

they begin committing crimes against the occupier

43:45

– occupied. And

43:47

that's clear. So those are crimes post-war – let's just

43:49

pretend we're in a world where they'd be accountable for

43:51

those things, a world that we would like to be

43:54

in. But then in the process before it's over, you

43:56

have the occupied in response to that, which

43:58

again is a very, very important thing. Again, for those

44:00

that don't remember this, they have a

44:03

legal right to armed rebellion, then do

44:05

commit crimes. Let's say they deliberately then

44:07

target a hospital or civilians in that

44:09

process of that. What do you—once

44:12

that's done, is

44:14

there some kind of a legal argument for why that's

44:16

not a crime because they were committing crimes, or the

44:18

point would be, do you think they should all be

44:20

held accountable? It would just be that the occupier is

44:23

far more accountable and far more, you know, potential crimes

44:25

to be levied at them. How do you see that?

44:28

I think that's two sides of it. The

44:30

legal side of it, I know from

44:32

interviewing international lawyers on the topic, and

44:34

I interviewed a prominent international lawyer on

44:36

the issue

44:39

of the prisoners, for

44:41

instance, the Israelis who were taken. And I

44:43

asked the question, is it justified in that

44:45

position for Hamas if they took them for

44:48

this reason? And

44:50

he said, I can't say the reasons that

44:52

they were taken, et cetera, so I can't make a

44:55

legal statement on that. I

44:58

can't say whether it's legal or not, or whatever. But

45:00

what he did say is, like, if you go and

45:02

you take, let's say, an

45:05

Israeli woman who's 21 years

45:07

old, okay, and

45:09

you want to trade her for a Palestinian woman or

45:11

five Palestinian women who are 21 years old, to which

45:14

they're holding, for instance. Even though

45:16

you could understand why that's the case,

45:19

and morally you could make an argument, right? You

45:21

could go, okay, yeah, they're trying to trade them.

45:24

You could try and make that justification. Still,

45:27

that's a crime under international law,

45:29

because you've taken somebody against their

45:31

will and helped them hostage.

45:33

So the same thing with any war crime.

45:37

I know there's degrees of war crimes,

45:39

for instance. There is, like,

45:42

the most egregious ones, which are under

45:44

genocide, right? The

45:46

most egregious violations of international

45:48

law. And there's different levels of

45:50

violations of international law, of course.

45:54

And that's on human rights

45:56

organizations and the United

45:58

Nations, and then, of course, the likes

46:00

of the International Court of Justice and

46:03

the International Criminal Court if they were going to make,

46:06

have rulings to decide what

46:08

constitutes what. But what I

46:10

would say is based

46:13

upon my understanding, a war crime is a war

46:15

crime at the end of the day no matter

46:18

what context it's committed in, according to

46:20

the law. Now, if

46:22

you're going to talk about the right

46:24

of the occupied to respond whilst

46:27

they're still being killed, I think

46:29

very easily there's a moral

46:31

responsibility. And

46:33

then what that crosses over to, and then

46:36

how is that justified

46:39

because, of course, the occupied have under

46:41

the 4th Geneva Conventions the right to

46:43

armed resistance. But then what

46:46

you have, because that's not the only

46:49

basis for making an argument in international

46:51

law. So then

46:54

you have others who could come in

46:56

and make a legal case that firing the

46:58

rockets there, that's

47:01

a war crime because they're not guided munitions.

47:05

And that shooting the

47:07

Israelis across this territory or whatever

47:09

these Israelis died in the circumstance,

47:11

that's not legitimate and that's a

47:13

violation of international law. And

47:17

even when they're targeting soldiers with those

47:19

rockets and munitions, because they're unguided, they

47:21

can make the arguments that they're illegal.

47:25

And that I think is nonsense. And I think it's

47:27

just as nonsense as under international

47:29

law, a nuclear weapon is

47:31

not banned, but an explosive bullet is banned.

47:34

So there's holes in the law, it

47:36

doesn't make any sense. I

47:38

agree, an explosive bullet shooting and it's

47:40

somebody, it's overkill. You shouldn't be able

47:43

to use an explosive bullet to shoot

47:45

somebody. But you're going

47:47

to say that's illegal and a nuclear bomb is

47:49

not illegal. I mean,

47:52

it makes no sense. And we

47:54

can use our brains to make

47:56

sense of things. So I think

47:58

when we're analyzing, There has to

48:00

be a mixture of both acknowledge

48:03

what the law is but

48:05

then I Believe that

48:07

in this situation since there is a

48:10

genocide be ongoing. I Believe

48:12

that we should give our input and

48:14

use our brains and go wait that

48:17

doesn't make any sense That

48:19

that is not right And it doesn't

48:21

mean that you have to agree with every single

48:24

action committed by the Palestinian armed groups If

48:26

you look throughout history whether in Algeria South

48:28

Africa go back to the Haitian revolution Whatever

48:30

you want people who are fighting against oppression

48:33

You're not going to agree with every single

48:35

action that was taken and the Haitian Revolution.

48:37

There was an order given To

48:40

kill all whites That's

48:43

what they gave that's an order they

48:45

didn't actually kill everyone but the order

48:47

was given Now that's

48:49

not a very nice order But there's

48:52

some context to that order and

48:54

there's a long history of repression and slavery

48:58

And mass murder which came before

49:00

that which is why we understand

49:02

the Haitian Revolution in its current

49:04

context And

49:06

we don't have to agree with everything that

49:08

was done by the side that was resisting

49:11

That's not and go that was moral that

49:13

was fine because at the end of the

49:15

day We're not in that position of a

49:17

people who are enslaved or subjected to genocide,

49:20

right? So I think the better okay good No,

49:23

no, go ahead. I was gonna get a better

49:25

point for from an American audience would be simply

49:27

to point at any American US government war right

49:29

and this is the point I made about like

49:31

for instance when on October 7th, you know, yeah

49:34

the Legally protected

49:36

act of arms of arm resistance into what

49:38

were illegal settlements Which was the where they

49:40

went into and and then That

49:43

was legal right? Anything on military targets

49:45

including taking military targets But on the

49:47

civilian engagement which they admitted to doing

49:49

that I Argue those were still crimes,

49:51

right? So There is that overlap in

49:53

a US war. Let's just take a

49:55

rack which is or Syria which are

49:57

rife with human rights violations war crimes

49:59

You Know. The border. I mean you could

50:01

get into borderline genocide allegations with what we know

50:03

happen to places like Rocca threat so. My.

50:05

Point is. You. Can clearly prove

50:07

the American soldiers raped, murdered, stole in some

50:09

cases were held accountable. many, many, many others

50:12

were not. So does that then invalidate in

50:14

the mind of an American? everything that stood

50:16

for it. Maybe it should split. it doesn't

50:18

for the vast majority people. So that's the

50:20

only real argument there is that if you're

50:22

going to make the standards and it better

50:24

be applied equally to everything, clearly you have

50:26

people who are being oppressed in far, far,

50:28

far more egregious ways than most things work

50:30

Even know about. And. Are so that

50:32

that's and if you're gonna pretend that was justified

50:34

in the Invasion of Iraq or whatever you want

50:36

to talk about than so too, would that be

50:38

right. My point is, I'm just trying to bring

50:40

this to the most static like you know, objective

50:42

even though I can from a moral perspective be

50:45

like I would do the same. And I agree

50:47

with you that we have to say yes, that

50:49

was a crime like if we're trying to teach

50:51

yoga at all. I think only because miss Regular

50:53

to the point of like irritating objectivity is because.

50:55

They're. So obviously not. You

50:57

know, all these leaders and rulers are actively doing the

50:59

opposite. so I think it behooves us to show what

51:02

we could do. you know, to me. But the end?

51:04

With that, I do agree with you. I really do

51:06

that. I think that it's obvious what they're doing is

51:08

justified in most every actor taking. Now.

51:10

We I know we have limited time. let me know

51:12

we were. You know get the and I had a

51:15

few of the things you want to get into. I

51:17

feel like I want your thoughts in general are just

51:19

briefly on. October. Seventh in general.

51:22

You. Know some talked about a lot of things and

51:24

we can get into like I'll a by the way

51:26

for the audience have been Robert talks about as I

51:28

plan on making this a routine thing with Robert net

51:30

experiment because what's going on but just because I think

51:33

his work has been tactic so I will try do

51:35

this periodically. Seven back on to talk about the things

51:37

we can do deeper on this one in particular. But.

51:39

As Negatron simply says, the truth must be

51:41

told. this is coming from an Israeli analyst.

51:44

Or Amos Hero saying that the Israel

51:46

entered a difficult for his trap. After.

51:49

October seventh and it's still unclear how they're

51:51

gonna get out of that trap and whole

51:53

point or arguably means that. This. Was

51:55

something that they were manipulated into, but I'm

51:57

not sure if I would agree with that

51:59

like a. The so much evidence about involvement

52:01

or rather the willful ignorance of what was

52:03

building. And you know, so what's your general

52:05

thought to what happened there? On. October

52:07

Seventh. I think the Israeli

52:09

suffered a massive strategic blow and nuts because

52:11

of lot of incompetence. Personally at some level

52:14

what I see it as a lot of

52:16

people have made arguments to the contrary. I

52:18

don't think they hold up, I think there's

52:20

a lot of incompetence which went on and

52:22

then they tried to wrestle it back by

52:24

saying we knew and a year in advance.

52:26

and we have a plan that we've had

52:28

for two years on how to invade Gaza

52:30

with adults and they come up with a

52:32

bunch of different things are definitely people have

52:34

knowledge of it but I think they ignored

52:36

that. Arms. And I can

52:38

I can say from anecdotal that decisis.

52:40

Anecdotally, I know people from Gaza is

52:43

crossover for instance, that sense and gone

52:45

to go work for instance I know

52:47

as well as a Scottish friend of

52:50

mine from the other side of that

52:52

fence. the wolf's around it for half

52:54

an hour before being surrounded by Israeli

52:57

commandos and Tom. So. You

52:59

know it's they're not as like this whole thing

53:01

about how advanced they are and how wonderful they

53:03

are and how. How

53:06

powerful the Israelis are I'm in of at

53:08

the end of the day. They're very very.

53:10

Arrogant. On and

53:13

very very racist and they didn't

53:15

think that the Palestinians would have

53:17

the capabilities to do something or

53:19

that they would have quite frankly

53:21

for. Know. A better

53:23

word to use the balls to do

53:25

this on. And when it

53:27

happens, regardless of what we want to

53:29

argue led up to that and who

53:32

was involved or whatever. In.

53:34

My opinion what happened is that

53:37

this is a massive military blow

53:39

to the Israelis. They lost around

53:41

four hundred soldiers, roughly. One

53:44

The Earth on The Seventh. Sorry.

53:46

He's even just on seventh. Them off

53:48

for hundreds. This on the seventh. Just

53:50

on the seventh. Around four hundred Israeli

53:52

soldiers, roughly just under lad. And then

53:54

if you add in the police, the

53:57

armed guards are the security forces. The

53:59

off duty I'd. Soldiers who

54:01

picked up their weapons and others

54:03

who came with their guns. Ah,

54:05

then you're just over four hundred

54:08

and is the city statistic that

54:10

were given and they overran all

54:12

Israeli military positions along the separation

54:14

sense I'm and a push teeth

54:17

and I went into a command

54:19

and control centers. They took out

54:21

the command and control in the

54:24

in the south and the Israelis

54:26

were completely embarrass, completely embarrassed. And

54:28

then what? The evidence. Shows is

54:30

that the Israelis came in basically

54:33

with their helicopters. And

54:36

their tanks and fired indiscriminately

54:38

Arm and a engaged and

54:40

firefights with Palestinian fighters are

54:42

now why we don't have

54:44

time to get into absolutely

54:46

everything here. But

54:48

a lot of different Palestinian groups

54:50

crossed. It wasn't just a mouse

54:52

on and then as well civilians.

54:54

Love with the civilians that people

54:56

civilians came in and there were

54:58

civilians who brought guns became. Icon.

55:01

Say who killed Hitler? Who and

55:03

every situation I don't know. There

55:06

seems to be on significant evidence

55:08

that a lot of Israeli noncombatants

55:10

were killed. How. Many exactly as

55:12

well because these numbers the start changing. The

55:15

reason why I doubt that is because there's

55:17

some people that are included in the civilian

55:19

statistic, but they carried firearms and there's some

55:21

cases of those for I have. To.

55:24

Say that that the overwhelming majority

55:26

of that statistic is would be

55:28

disingenuous, so we at least know

55:30

around just under seven hundred, I

55:32

think they say. I

55:35

were killed Unarmed Israelis on and

55:38

so not situation. Who killed who?

55:40

How many were killed by his

55:43

side? I. Can't say that

55:45

the Israelis killed a significant amount of their

55:47

own civilians and this is an embarrassment for

55:49

them as well. So. the

55:52

israelis haven't been faced with this

55:54

military raid which turned into something

55:56

a lot more bloody having faced

55:58

with the city And what they began

56:01

to do is cook up all this propaganda to

56:03

make themselves the victim to justify What was gonna

56:05

come next and Hamas they know

56:07

the Israelis Whenever anything

56:09

is done against the Israelis the

56:11

repercussions every single time the Israelis

56:13

go for blood They always

56:16

want blood. They always want vengeance they need

56:18

to spill a lot of blood to make

56:20

them feel good about themselves and They

56:23

knew this Hamas knew this when they were planning this and

56:26

so they knew the Israelis were gonna come in Did

56:29

they know they were gonna come in that hard and

56:32

That they would shut off all the water and all

56:34

the food and all of the electricity for the people

56:36

of Gaza And they would do what they're doing right

56:38

now. I Don't know

56:40

if exactly if Hamas knew that

56:42

they would be this monstrous because they've never

56:45

experienced something this monstrous I

56:47

think the world hasn't really experienced. This

56:49

is very unique what happened Like

56:51

because we can look at death tolls and go

56:54

yeah We can compare this death toll to how

56:56

many people were killed by the British in the

56:58

Malmau revolt in this period of time But like,

57:00

you know, we can go back and do those

57:02

sort of comparisons to whatever we want But

57:05

really in terms of the tonnage of bombs the

57:07

blocking of aid the size of the Gaza Strip

57:09

the population It's

57:12

a unique crime in history and

57:14

the level of dehumanization is quite unprecedented in

57:16

my opinion like you always see this

57:18

level but It's just

57:20

overwhelming how in your face it is and and

57:23

the worst part for me is how then you

57:25

have a lot of people in positions Of authority

57:27

telling you not just that it's okay But it's

57:29

the right thing like it's so I think that's

57:31

what's jarred so many people free from the illusion

57:33

is they just can't rectify that Yeah,

57:36

and and this is the thing as well like Here

57:39

when you're looking at what's going

57:41

on The Israelis have basically said

57:43

that all of the Palestinians in Gaza. They're

57:46

all terrorists. They're all Hamas They're all connected

57:48

to Hamas if they're not connected to Hamas

57:50

and they're not how math then they're Hamas

57:52

human shields And if they're not how mass

57:54

use human shields, then they were an unfortunate

57:56

casualty of war And if they didn't bomb

57:58

themselves and we bomb them accident with

58:00

the munition that we weren't supposed to draw, but

58:02

we really did because there was maybe some guide

58:04

there and Just that

58:06

there's a million excuses for everything but

58:09

ultimately the Israeli society agrees Palestinians

58:12

are human animals and we should just murder them

58:14

all in Gaza all the people

58:16

in Gaza should die on Average

58:18

the Israelis agree with what they're doing

58:22

This is the thing all the polls suggest

58:24

that not only to the Israelis agree the

58:27

majority of the Israeli people Agree,

58:29

this is how brainwashed they are. The

58:32

majority agree. They want more They

58:35

don't think they've been tough enough and

58:37

here's an interesting dynamic to this and I agree

58:39

with you Unfortunately, Abby Martin's work has made this

58:41

clear in the past right going through the you

58:43

know The civilian locations and just asking for opinions

58:45

and it's very clear But at the same point

58:47

they make on that is how clearly you know,

58:49

the same way Americans are radicalized for war from

58:51

their government It's the same kind of game. But

58:54

what's interesting in a macabre way is that because

58:56

of what they have done? well

58:58

two things because of the fact that there are

59:00

Israelis in Gaza and Then

59:03

the overwhelming onslaught knowing they're there which

59:05

they've clearly provably now killed their own people

59:07

more than once with bombings and shootings in

59:09

Gaza That has caused the Israeli population to

59:11

suddenly call for a ceasefire, right? But as

59:13

I keep making the point most of them

59:15

aren't saying don't go back to kill go

59:18

back and finish what you're doing in Gaza

59:20

But first get our people home and it

59:22

started this interesting schism between the conversation where

59:24

they're going no screw you stop what you're

59:26

doing We want our families back and I

59:28

think the Israeli government Netanyahu Predominantly

59:30

expected them to go wholeheartedly along with

59:33

it And it's I don't think

59:35

they expected the pushback and I in every possible

59:37

way It seems they've broken the you

59:39

know illusion or that the hold they had over people

59:41

on the power of the propaganda I mean, it's it's

59:43

fascinating. Would you agree with that? It's

59:45

interesting because what you're seeing is Netanyahu is not

59:47

popular anymore By the way, his approval rating is

59:49

in the floor and that's because he's not dealing

59:51

with this properly But the only problem is no

59:54

other leadership would have dealt with it in any

59:56

other way They all would have done

59:58

the same thing. I can guarantee you how You

1:00:00

know how you know

1:00:03

harsh this policy or that would have been

1:00:05

I can't say but right now you have

1:00:07

Benny Gantz Who's of the opposition who's in

1:00:09

that war government and who thinks the same

1:00:11

thing? So if if there's gonna be

1:00:13

an election tomorrow, Benny Gantz would be Prime Minister According

1:00:16

to all the polls Benny Gantz is in this

1:00:18

war government who is leading this

1:00:20

genocide. So that's the reality there,

1:00:22

but Having said

1:00:25

that the Israelis have achieved absolutely

1:00:27

nothing militarily in Gaza Nothing

1:00:30

haven't destroyed a decent portion of the

1:00:32

tunnel system. They haven't killed Anyone

1:00:35

in the senior military leadership of

1:00:38

Hamas they've taken some people in the Politburo

1:00:40

in their homes at the start But

1:00:43

that doesn't mean anything really militarily. They

1:00:45

haven't done any damage on Hamas Hamas

1:00:48

is actually more popular than ever not

1:00:50

only that Hamas is Inflicted the

1:00:53

worst military defeat on Israel that's

1:00:55

ever happened and they continues to

1:00:57

get worse and worse and worse

1:00:59

Abu Abaydah the spokesperson for the Hassan

1:01:02

Brigades the armed wing of Hamas came

1:01:04

out the other day and he said

1:01:06

we've hit over 825

1:01:09

Israeli military vehicles either partially or

1:01:11

fully destroying them just

1:01:13

to give you that's not the only organization

1:01:15

There's about 12. There's more than a dozen Palestinian

1:01:17

armed groups there Hamas is the most powerful.

1:01:20

Do you think that I Think

1:01:23

according to what we've seen and also

1:01:25

the Israelis were following up with their

1:01:27

own Statistics at the start and then

1:01:29

they just stopped announcing them. So at

1:01:31

the start the Hamas statistics were on

1:01:33

point They

1:01:35

were there were they were very they have been

1:01:37

right? I mean even the Guardian and AP pointed

1:01:39

that out historically it almost ends up pretty close

1:01:41

to what Israel ultimately ends up saying There's

1:01:45

a difference there because I think they're talking about the

1:01:47

the health ministry Oh, you're right

1:01:50

staying with the health ministry because the

1:01:52

health ministry. Yes There is Hamas has

1:01:54

control of the civil administration because Hamas

1:01:56

it has an armed wing Hamas does

1:01:58

work in civil society Hamas

1:02:00

is a governing force, right? It's

1:02:02

a political party. People just think,

1:02:05

ah, it's a terrorist organization, whatever.

1:02:09

But it has a civil administration there

1:02:11

and international organizations which have to interact

1:02:13

with it because it's the governing force

1:02:16

there. And the God of Health Ministry

1:02:18

is run by doctors. It's not run

1:02:20

by like, you know, a Hamas commander

1:02:22

with a Kufia on his face and

1:02:25

an AK 47, who just like starts

1:02:27

announcing statistics. No, like this is hospitals

1:02:29

that are giving statistics and collecting the

1:02:31

data. And then you have a doctor

1:02:34

who is heading off the health ministry,

1:02:36

who's fully qualified for his position and

1:02:38

is respected internationally and has worked

1:02:40

with international organizations and for international

1:02:42

organizations in the past, worked

1:02:45

outside the country in the past, and is

1:02:47

a professional who is coming up with this statistic

1:02:49

and handing it and has always been proven pretty

1:02:51

much correct on the statistics that they

1:02:53

give the God of the Health Ministry and also the

1:02:55

God of the Health Ministry, by the way, their statistics,

1:02:58

they get checked in in Ramallah as well. They

1:03:01

get checked over in Ramallah. People don't know

1:03:03

this before those press reports come out, unless

1:03:06

it's just the spokesperson in Gaza, he might

1:03:08

make a statement by himself, for instance, but

1:03:10

the reports that they put out, they're

1:03:13

checked in in in Ramallah in the

1:03:15

West Bank, when Palestinian Authority is there,

1:03:17

the Palestinian Health Ministry because it's connected

1:03:19

to it. So

1:03:21

people don't know that. But in terms of what's

1:03:23

going on on the ground in Gaza, in terms

1:03:25

of the military defeat, Yahya

1:03:27

Sinwar, who's the head of

1:03:29

Hamas in Gaza, he wrote

1:03:32

a letter to the senior

1:03:34

leadership of Hamas outside. And

1:03:36

he said that we've directly hit 5000 Israeli

1:03:39

soldiers, a third of whom have been killed.

1:03:41

That's what he said. So that would put

1:03:43

it roughly around 1666 soldiers

1:03:45

killed. Wow. There's no way to confirm that.

1:03:47

But the one thing is that we've seen

1:03:50

the Israelis have not announced a lot of

1:03:52

their deaths, which have been recorded on camera,

1:03:54

by the way. And every day we see

1:03:56

more videos of Hamas and that she had.

1:04:00

Ali Mustafa brigades, all these different

1:04:02

armed groups, hitting tank after tank

1:04:04

after tank after tank after tank,

1:04:06

and blowing these things up and

1:04:08

burning military bulldozers and hitting troop

1:04:10

formations and detonating entire buildings on

1:04:12

top of troops and ambushing them

1:04:14

like every single day. We're talking

1:04:16

about multiple videos coming out of

1:04:18

the military actions are committed. So

1:04:21

for Israel to say they say 172, I think

1:04:24

soldiers have been killed since the ground incursion.

1:04:27

I don't believe that. The

1:04:29

casualties, which they're

1:04:32

reporting on in general, Haaretz started

1:04:34

doing a dive into that

1:04:36

and they went to the hospitals and they

1:04:38

realized that in every single hospital, they've got

1:04:40

a military sensor there. Anything

1:04:42

that those hospitals say or report or write

1:04:45

down, that's being monitored by the military.

1:04:47

So they can't report anything. And

1:04:50

there's a military sensor as well, which

1:04:52

is applied on Israeli media. So how

1:04:54

accurate the Israeli statistics are, we've seen

1:04:56

that the Israelis have delayed the announcing

1:04:59

of dead soldiers by around a

1:05:01

month. In one case, at

1:05:03

least one case a month it took them. So

1:05:06

there's a there's a lot of

1:05:09

indication that the the death toll

1:05:11

is higher, that the injuries are

1:05:13

higher. And even if you go

1:05:15

by the Israeli official death toll, this is like the worst

1:05:17

defeat ever inflicted by a bunch

1:05:20

of armed groups in a besieged

1:05:22

territory who've manufactured their weapons locally

1:05:25

and lured like this Israeli analyst

1:05:27

said, they've been lured into a

1:05:29

trap because Hamas knew them. They

1:05:32

knew them better than themselves. They knew these are

1:05:34

genocidal maniacs. They're not going to come and go

1:05:36

to the United Nations and talk about, yeah, like

1:05:39

come sit with at the table with us or

1:05:41

else we're going to go to the U.N. Security

1:05:43

Council and get a resolution to invade your ass.

1:05:45

No, no, no. They weren't about to do things

1:05:47

legally. They're about to go in and drop as

1:05:49

much tonnage and aim for damage

1:05:52

and to starve the civilian population and

1:05:54

to demonize every single Palestinian and to

1:05:56

mass murder and kill. That's who these

1:05:58

people are. They're very pretty. They're

1:06:01

racist, narcissistic psychopaths and they come in

1:06:03

and they knew. So Hamas lured them

1:06:05

in, come in, come. You've

1:06:08

destroyed all the buildings. This is the perfect environment

1:06:10

for us to kill you. And

1:06:12

they've come in with their military and

1:06:15

Hamas, you want to look

1:06:17

at the statistics of how many Hamas have

1:06:20

killed in terms of Israeli civilians, the

1:06:22

soldiers since October 7,

1:06:25

even including October 7, if

1:06:27

you look at hell of a lot

1:06:29

better than the Israelis, the Israelis, they're out

1:06:31

there killing 30,000. They say, oh, we might

1:06:33

have got anywhere between somewhere

1:06:35

around 1500 to 5000 Hamas.

1:06:43

There's no proof for this. And the one video

1:06:45

they just put out, which proves that they killed

1:06:48

a Hamas member, became

1:06:50

like this man, this Hamas

1:06:52

fighter became immortalized because everyone

1:06:55

saw him in

1:06:57

the midst of battle after being

1:06:59

wounded, saying his last words and

1:07:01

going into the prayer position. So

1:07:03

it ended up looking epic. And

1:07:06

that was supposed to be the big propaganda victory.

1:07:08

And it's the only footage that they presented of

1:07:11

them actually killing someone who's Hamas.

1:07:15

Which to me shows you that they would have

1:07:17

been parading these around in front of us if there was

1:07:19

more evidence to it. It shows you very clearly. Now, I

1:07:21

do know you said you had to be out of here

1:07:23

at a certain time, so make sure you watch your clock. We're about

1:07:25

seven minutes past. I don't know if you have an interview

1:07:27

or not, but I wanted to end adding these, you

1:07:31

just pointed out, emphasis on damage, not accuracy

1:07:33

is what they said on October 10. I

1:07:35

just think that's hilarious that we can talk about this as

1:07:38

if we're debating it. And they literally state this on

1:07:40

October 10, what their main point was,

1:07:42

or the important 972 magazine

1:07:44

article about a mass assassination factory.

1:07:46

And this was about the Habsara,

1:07:50

the Gospels, what it translates to in regards to

1:07:52

their AI programs they're using to bomb, just to

1:07:54

back up what you were saying. It's exactly what

1:07:56

you were discussing. It's very self-evident at this point.

1:07:59

Now, I know you said that. You can hang out if

1:08:01

you got more time. I'm going to go through a few more points,

1:08:03

but I'm going to go through them if you'd like to drop off

1:08:05

or you can hang around. You're welcome to stay.

1:08:07

I don't know how much time you got left, brother. But

1:08:11

I wanted your final thoughts if you do have to go

1:08:13

on the genocide convention

1:08:15

point. Where do you think that's going

1:08:17

to go, and is that even going

1:08:19

to change anything? I

1:08:21

would like to believe that it would go

1:08:23

somewhere and that this would be a quick

1:08:25

process, but

1:08:28

logic suggests that it won't prevent

1:08:30

what's going on right now. And

1:08:33

at the end of the day, it would

1:08:36

be great to see all of these

1:08:38

war criminals actually be tried, and Israel

1:08:41

suffer. And one

1:08:43

of the results of this is Israel

1:08:45

could be temporarily suspended from the UN

1:08:48

General Assembly. At

1:08:51

least that's what I've been told. And

1:08:53

so I'd like to see that happen

1:08:55

as a repercussion, and maybe that would

1:08:57

restore at least my faith

1:09:00

in international law, because I

1:09:02

think anyone looking objectively right now can see

1:09:05

that we live in a world of the

1:09:07

powerful and the powerless. And

1:09:10

yeah, unless you have the better weapons

1:09:12

and more funding, there

1:09:16

is no real way of getting any justice. You

1:09:18

have to get strong. You have to get weapons.

1:09:20

You have to fight back. And

1:09:23

that's what they're telling the world,

1:09:25

basically, for what they're doing right now. And

1:09:28

that's the United States, because I

1:09:30

believe this is the US government's

1:09:32

war. Israel is

1:09:34

dropping the bombs. But

1:09:36

the United States can call this off in five seconds

1:09:38

if it wants to, but it doesn't.

1:09:41

So the US government, in my

1:09:43

opinion, is – Joe

1:09:45

Biden and Anthony Blinken are just

1:09:48

as complicit, in my opinion, as

1:09:51

Yoav Galant and Benny

1:09:54

Gantz and Benjamin Netanyahu. I

1:09:57

don't think we should treat them differently. But

1:09:59

unfortunately – Let

1:12:00

me know if you agree with this not just net Yahoo with

1:12:02

the larger coalition at this point I

1:12:05

think they're very angry at a number of people

1:12:07

because the blame game is gonna begin as soon

1:12:09

as this war stops And they're

1:12:12

gonna start turning on each other because everyone's

1:12:14

gonna be pointing fingers like it was the

1:12:16

military No, it was nothing Yahoo. No, it

1:12:18

was the security minister. It was this guy.

1:12:20

It was his rhetoric She

1:12:22

was guarding the fence like that's going to be the

1:12:25

way that this this

1:12:27

sort of develops when Everything ends

1:12:30

and then Yahoo will be removed from power

1:12:32

and they might put him in prison for

1:12:34

corruption charges or whatever Definitely

1:12:37

not genocide because they believe what they're doing is,

1:12:39

you know Wonderful and it's

1:12:41

the work of the most moral army on

1:12:43

earth and all the rest of their nonsense

1:12:45

that they believe there But

1:12:48

I think people are very angry, but they

1:12:50

don't know where to aim the anger exactly

1:12:52

So, you know, it's being harnessed by different

1:12:54

political forces and and you know

1:12:56

thrown in different ways and

1:12:58

none of them You

1:13:01

see no Israelis other than a few who

1:13:03

have always been on, you know The side

1:13:05

of justice have always known what's going on

1:13:07

and from before this understood

1:13:10

the situation very well The

1:13:13

majority of them still can't understand why

1:13:15

Hamas did this and that's why the

1:13:18

Israeli government have tried to make them

1:13:20

look so dirty and so horrible and

1:13:23

The Palestinians must be a bunch of savages because why

1:13:25

would they want to do this? And

1:13:28

that's the explanation they're given Palestinians are savage

1:13:30

animals Basically and that they're all horrible people

1:13:32

and they're dirty and they're not human and

1:13:35

they're not like us and they're an enemy

1:13:37

and they're anti Semites and they're

1:13:39

Hitler and everything else Because

1:13:41

they can't face the reality that

1:13:43

there's a reason this happened There

1:13:46

is a reason now. That's not

1:13:49

me going. Oh, well every single thing

1:13:51

that Happened is justified

1:13:53

and individual cases of this and that

1:13:55

work. That's fine. That's not me saying

1:13:57

that it's me saying exactly what

1:13:59

the UN Secretary-General said and that's that

1:14:02

it didn't happen in a vacuum Right,

1:14:04

it wouldn't have happened if you did

1:14:06

not keep Gaza under a siege for

1:14:08

17 years It

1:14:10

wouldn't happen if earlier this year you attacked and

1:14:13

bombed Gaza unprovoked It wouldn't have

1:14:15

happened if you didn't attack other last year It

1:14:17

wouldn't have happened if you didn't attack Gaza the

1:14:19

year before that and the year before

1:14:21

that and the year before that It

1:14:23

wouldn't have happened if you committed didn't commit your massive massacre in 2014

1:14:25

in 2012 in 2008 9 in 2006

1:14:31

it wouldn't have happened if you didn't if you just

1:14:33

left people to live It

1:14:35

would have never have happened if you just let the people

1:14:37

live as they look

1:14:40

what No, no, I

1:14:42

finished the point. Oh, sorry It's a little bit of

1:14:44

delay for me on the side But so as Dave

1:14:46

Smith said which I think is a powerful point that

1:14:49

should the if the Israeli government truly did want

1:14:51

peace As they pretend to which is

1:14:53

their own statements, especially now they would there

1:14:55

is no two-state solution they've come out of the gate

1:14:57

with that now even though as you know, well, it's

1:15:00

always been the reality that they've actively tried to stop

1:15:02

that as even that her at point makes where they

1:15:05

Funded Hamas to make sure that they didn't get that state.

1:15:07

It's very simple and he said he's proud of that today

1:15:10

But did the interesting point that he Dave Smith

1:15:12

argued, you know Should

1:15:14

they have wanted peace they could have used this

1:15:17

like after October 7th If the

1:15:19

argument is that we Hamas is the bad guy and

1:15:22

we want to make peace with the good people of

1:15:24

Palestine That they could have used this

1:15:26

moment to say look let's Here's a

1:15:28

real two-state solution Like it, you know

1:15:30

on the back of this horrible thing that we

1:15:32

have we argue have every right to just do

1:15:34

what they're doing now and we offered a real

1:15:37

solution that was genuine like as if that would

1:15:39

actually happen from these groups and that they would

1:15:41

accept that and then make peace with the Palestinians

1:15:43

and together fight Hamas like that would

1:15:45

literally change the world in a little in many different ways,

1:15:47

right because of how much this Topic

1:15:50

influences so many things but of course that's not

1:15:52

what happens Like you said they don't even go

1:15:54

to the UN to legally justify what they do

1:15:56

They just jump right over and commit genocide and

1:15:58

all the rulers of the world completely

1:16:01

go along with it, as even their people push

1:16:03

back on it. You know, it's just very clear

1:16:05

to everybody, I think, right

1:16:07

now, that this is genocide. And

1:16:09

to that point, there is an endless amount,

1:16:11

as you've seen, and again, brother, if you need to jump

1:16:13

off, go ahead, but I'd love

1:16:15

for you to stick around. Abu

1:16:18

Bakr Hussein points out 322 fully sourced

1:16:20

examples of dehumanizing probe genocidal ethnic cleansing

1:16:22

statements, as you've well covered, and we've

1:16:24

all pointed out, and this is actually

1:16:26

really in depth if you want to

1:16:28

dive through it. And

1:16:30

here's a clip I'll play from Desensored News. Israeli

1:16:33

historian, Raah Siegel, says, Israel is very

1:16:35

deeply immersed in a genocidal discourse. He

1:16:37

says, where we see clear incitement to

1:16:39

genocide, a crime in and of itself

1:16:41

under the Geneva Convention, you don't need

1:16:43

a degree in comparative literature to interpret

1:16:46

these kinds of signs and statements. So

1:16:48

I think this is an important clip. And

1:16:51

the issue that, again, we can elaborate

1:16:53

more on, perhaps, is incitement,

1:16:56

right, which is, again, a different

1:16:58

crime in the genocide convention. That's

1:17:00

Article 3, but related. So incitement

1:17:03

to genocide, which usually happens actually

1:17:05

in media discourses, but also in

1:17:07

political discourses or in just

1:17:09

in sometimes in public spaces

1:17:12

in various ways. And it's

1:17:14

important to say that Israel

1:17:17

today, and anyone who follows Hebrew

1:17:20

language sources, and they're all

1:17:22

over social media today and

1:17:24

the Israeli media, Israel

1:17:27

is very deeply immersed

1:17:29

in a genocidal discourse. We see

1:17:31

this in the media, in the

1:17:33

Israeli media since 7th of October.

1:17:36

We see this in politics. We

1:17:38

see this in public spaces. And I'm

1:17:40

talking about huge signs

1:17:42

hanging on the bridges of the

1:17:45

Tel Aviv freeway right after the

1:17:47

7th of October, calling to flatten

1:17:49

Gaza, to destroy Gaza, written

1:17:53

on them directly, that

1:17:55

the image of triumph would be zero

1:17:57

people in Gaza. So very direct. again,

1:18:00

very explicit. You

1:18:02

don't need a degree in

1:18:05

comparative literature to interpret these kinds

1:18:08

of signs and statements.

1:18:10

In the media discourse and in

1:18:12

the political discourse in Israel after

1:18:15

7th of October, we see clear

1:18:17

incitement to genocide, right? Clear, clear

1:18:19

incitement to genocide. And all

1:18:21

this has been widely published.

1:18:24

And I can repeat

1:18:26

some of the quotes here if

1:18:29

needed. But it's important to

1:18:31

say that one of the cases that comes

1:18:33

close to this kind of society immersed in

1:18:35

the genocidal discourse perhaps is Rwanda, and

1:18:37

the Rwanda genocide in 1994. As

1:18:40

the genocide was unfolding, we had

1:18:43

journalists and radio people

1:18:46

inciting for genocide

1:18:49

for the murder of Tutsis in that

1:18:51

case. And it's important to

1:18:53

say that in the ICTR, in the post-genocide

1:18:55

trials, in the case of Rwanda, there was

1:18:58

also a media case where journalists indeed stood

1:19:00

trial and were convicted for

1:19:03

incitement to genocide. So that's another element

1:19:05

that actually differentiates genocide from other crimes

1:19:07

in international law. And again,

1:19:10

we see here, like the issue of intent,

1:19:13

which is in Article 2 and

1:19:15

refers to people with what's called

1:19:17

command authority in international law. So

1:19:19

state leaders, war

1:19:21

cabinet ministers, and senior army officers,

1:19:26

also their statements are very clear,

1:19:29

explicit, and unashamed. Also

1:19:31

incitement in Israel is clear, explicit, and

1:19:33

ashamed. Just to give a recent example,

1:19:35

a journalist at Zviya Haskeli on Channel

1:19:38

13 on the TV in Israel just

1:19:41

openly outright said

1:19:44

that he thinks that at the beginning

1:19:46

Israel made a mistake because it should

1:19:48

have the Israeli attack

1:19:50

on Gaza should have been much more

1:19:53

Actually violent and severe. And It should

1:19:55

have killed 100,000 Palestinians. Only

1:20:01

the A, the Tv anchor

1:20:04

fair. You. Know said are

1:20:06

you sure that ask what you're saying

1:20:08

There was some exchange between them you

1:20:11

know is this are all the other

1:20:13

people they're sitting a have had nothing

1:20:15

to say it's and the official

1:20:17

response of Channel thirteen of days really

1:20:20

to V to that was that is

1:20:22

you know that were just expressing the

1:20:24

plurality of in a position and Israeli

1:20:27

society. That's this is outright and ashamed

1:20:29

rights or it's very common today's

1:20:31

in Israel and it's something I think

1:20:33

we should all be paying. Attention.

1:20:37

And. For the podcast that's the is a

1:20:39

Israeli historian and that backs up your point

1:20:41

perfectly. Robert, write down your out there that

1:20:43

is the majority people in in in the

1:20:45

country by enough it's courses you say this

1:20:48

in another context as in other place you're

1:20:50

racist right? But here is an Israeli Jew

1:20:52

saying this about? you know it's it's just

1:20:54

this is the conflict around what we're seeing.

1:20:56

You know pointing out an obvious objective reality

1:20:58

is not racist or regardless of whether that

1:21:01

insult somebody or whether that is a highlighting

1:21:03

an uncomfortable fact of a government it's frustrating.

1:21:05

I'll often this happens if any any comments.

1:21:07

On that clip. That

1:21:09

like the i mean. That's.

1:21:12

What? We didn't see on the other the Israeli

1:21:14

media frequently that they're always say now i mean

1:21:16

that specific same and about one hundred thousand people

1:21:18

as one on it's own. But

1:21:20

it's very similar. So lot of the other things

1:21:22

that we've been hearing and I'm Innocent society for

1:21:25

Israeli. Soldiers who are?

1:21:27

You know it of these many concerts

1:21:29

they set up for them and they're

1:21:31

dancing around and and talking about decimating

1:21:33

Gaza. And there's gonna be no more

1:21:35

Gaza and even making anti black statements

1:21:37

in the midst of that because they're

1:21:39

so incredibly racist. That's the thing that

1:21:41

we're talking about. A genocidal racist

1:21:44

regime. Of the genocidal

1:21:46

racists population. The. Majority of them.

1:21:48

And as is the ridge that the realities I

1:21:51

wish that wasn't the case. And

1:21:53

people will go to that will your the

1:21:55

anti semite for pointing out how racist they

1:21:57

are. As that. I've.

1:21:59

Lived. I know how racist they

1:22:01

are. I've seen Israeli soldiers shoot children

1:22:03

myself Like it's something

1:22:05

where you I can't throw it in the face If

1:22:07

you're gonna go in the Jim Crow South the majority

1:22:10

of people there were Supporting

1:22:12

the system and to

1:22:14

speak historically you're just anti-white

1:22:17

Well, no, like okay people supported Jim

1:22:20

Crow as Jim Crow laws that just

1:22:22

happened. Yeah, the government Supported

1:22:24

it too that happened. It's

1:22:26

not anti-white to say it It's just

1:22:29

a reality of history people own slaves.

1:22:32

Are you saying you're you saying that all

1:22:34

white people are slave owners? What

1:22:38

what where does this stuff come in that's a

1:22:40

blood libel like right no historical

1:22:42

fact which happened And

1:22:44

this is what a population did white South

1:22:46

Africans Joining the apartheid era

1:22:49

if you're gonna talk about their sentiments towards

1:22:51

black people and what they thought about black

1:22:54

people You're gonna pull up examples of what they said

1:22:56

on their shows about black people and then they

1:22:58

turn around and go you're just Anti-white

1:23:00

South African you're anti-afrikaner.

1:23:04

It's like That's

1:23:06

just ridiculous. I mean we'd all laughed

1:23:08

out the room But because they weaponized

1:23:10

this statement of going you're an anti-semite

1:23:12

you're doing blood libel. That's an anti-semitic

1:23:14

trope But I'm sorry, it's just nonsense

1:23:16

and everyone's ignoring it now including a

1:23:18

lot of Jewish people as well Especially

1:23:21

a lot of Jewish people who are

1:23:23

extremely pissed off by all of this

1:23:25

nonsense because it's like in their name

1:23:27

It's being done and they're here in

1:23:29

Western countries watching this genocidal racist maniac

1:23:31

regime Committed genocide

1:23:34

against an innocent civilian population

1:23:36

and then they're seeing why am I

1:23:38

being roped into this? Why

1:23:41

is the memory of the Holocaust being roped

1:23:43

into this? They're sitting there and

1:23:45

they're thinking that and that's why you see so

1:23:47

many young Jewish people especially coming out And

1:23:50

speaking against this because they're like, oh my god

1:23:52

again Again, I'm being

1:23:54

roped into this into War

1:23:57

Crimes and bombing civilians and killing

1:23:59

children. And. Yet in figure

1:24:01

that's the bigger pointed to tight like to your the.

1:24:04

I. Think it's more specifically about. It

1:24:06

in this case you know could look there. There

1:24:09

are people that live in Israel that are Jewish

1:24:11

as you will know that are equally kind of

1:24:13

wrapped up in the propaganda. So it's really specifically.

1:24:15

it's definitely aimed at Jewish people. I think of

1:24:17

obvious that the Zionist manipulation but that it's more

1:24:19

about the Israeli zionist overlap than specifically like. As

1:24:21

you're pointing out, there's plenty of you Jewish groups,

1:24:23

Jewish individuals all around the world you don't agree

1:24:26

or in Israel plenty of. I'm getting beat up

1:24:28

by the idea of all the time for calling

1:24:30

the stuff out. You know, So it's it's. It's.

1:24:33

Like you said, it's stating out an obvious

1:24:35

back and upper in. You try to flit

1:24:37

for ten deployed seeding that fact you racist

1:24:39

it is. Just it's just a

1:24:41

drives racism. That's the point we're gonna get you

1:24:43

in a second about the idea of weaponizing anti

1:24:46

semitism. In fact, make use unsafe, you know, and

1:24:48

that's the whole point or more or less safe

1:24:50

and they are and will quickly to that point

1:24:52

you made. Cars. New to share this

1:24:54

and it's exactly the point you're making. A

1:24:56

family Black Israeli soldier who was neutralized in

1:24:58

Gaza can skip planes that no one does

1:25:00

of them, unlike the families of the other

1:25:03

Israeli soldiers. You. Know and the any get this is not

1:25:05

a secret. I mean the to ask Ethiopian Jews

1:25:07

how they're treated Israel. It's obvious that there's an

1:25:09

author's is different and you don't You don't get

1:25:11

their statements again. If you actually pay attention, make

1:25:13

it very clear that that's how they feel from

1:25:15

it From of Israeli government perspective. you know, That

1:25:19

that much. But there's a tier as

1:25:21

well like they're This is the thing.

1:25:23

They sort of have their Jewish caste

1:25:25

system there. losing. That's the thing that

1:25:28

people don't know about that because there's

1:25:30

a lot of a you know, racism

1:25:32

and persecution by Ashkenazi jews against a

1:25:34

Sephardic jews and and Ethiopian jews. And

1:25:36

they're sort of the system that gets

1:25:39

here system debate and spending on your

1:25:41

skin color there and there has been.

1:25:43

There's a long history of this. There's

1:25:45

a long history of the of the

1:25:47

white Ashkenazi jews are discriminating. Against Iraq

1:25:50

you choose. And the Yemeni Jews

1:25:52

And Syrian jews And Egyptian jews

1:25:54

neat. The opium eccentric cetera. There.

1:25:56

Was even an Israeli Black Panthers

1:25:58

party. Which a lot

1:26:01

of people don't know about which

1:26:03

was formed of like care of

1:26:05

middle eastern North African juice. On.

1:26:08

The. As a because of the discrimination

1:26:10

Friends Since I'm sure you know

1:26:12

about this or but they stole

1:26:14

the children from Yemeni Jewish parents

1:26:16

Thousands of them and they place

1:26:18

them in the care of a

1:26:20

white Jewish families and some of

1:26:22

them disappear. There were allegations of

1:26:24

experimenting on them as well. I'm

1:26:26

Pamela rocks. Issue is real quick.

1:26:28

This is just this is just

1:26:30

like like the Native American aspect,

1:26:32

like it's just never stops. Like

1:26:34

we can't pretend like this is

1:26:36

not the same old horrifying. Worst

1:26:38

example of racism. it's of apartheid in size

1:26:40

and pointed out a frustrated we can be

1:26:42

honest about it going. To

1:26:44

same thing and you see that for instance

1:26:47

I've what they did on them in Canada

1:26:49

right now with the residential schools here it's

1:26:51

the same thing we're in Australia where I

1:26:53

used to live with that the Stolen Generations

1:26:56

is that exact same thing you know to

1:26:58

you know they need to get the savage

1:27:00

out of the indigenous population so they need

1:27:02

to. You know I'll give them to. Families.

1:27:06

Other than their on the still the children

1:27:08

away and the put them in schools, reeducate

1:27:10

them and be changed their minds of and

1:27:12

they did this and this is the thing

1:27:14

as well. They robbed the the Jews from

1:27:17

the Middle East of their culture and their

1:27:19

language in many ways. As a route

1:27:21

preserve some of that the most of them

1:27:23

don't their their kids now they don't speak

1:27:25

Arabic. There. As it and

1:27:27

they're they're taught to hate themselves to a

1:27:29

certain extent Of my some of that the

1:27:31

craziest soldiers in the army that you'll see

1:27:33

are not the white Jews must have the

1:27:35

time. The. Most crazy soldiers

1:27:37

are the ones trying to prove themselves to

1:27:40

the rest that a lot of people don't

1:27:42

know. The Support: What is the Israeli Society

1:27:44

because it's completely hidden and and and it's

1:27:46

something that. People. don't talk

1:27:48

about that the others a

1:27:50

system of racism there within

1:27:52

the jewish society is law

1:27:55

or so it's not just

1:27:57

a a jewish racism against

1:27:59

arabs And non-jews no,

1:28:01

it's also as well like there's

1:28:03

this internal situation which is going

1:28:05

on the most impoverished for instance

1:28:08

People will you look at the poorest people where they

1:28:10

live they live in the south This

1:28:13

is another thing perhaps we could get into another

1:28:15

day and there's lots of element Another thing that

1:28:18

we have to get into is probably the the

1:28:20

history of Hamas Another as well,

1:28:22

but I believe that to another point. Okay.

1:28:24

Yeah No, I really I really was playing

1:28:26

on it because I think these are all

1:28:28

really important deeper dives to have I'm

1:28:30

just gonna point out since you brought up the point

1:28:32

about it And if you want to quickly explain to

1:28:34

people where the term blood libel comes from I've done

1:28:36

it on the show in the past It's just interesting

1:28:38

the context he's saying, you know The UN face was

1:28:40

saying genocide is when you kill seriously harm or inflict

1:28:42

unlivable conditions on a group Israel says, you

1:28:44

know Their statements we just discussed will make ours

1:28:47

unlivable. God's is our amalek will slaughter man woman

1:28:49

child They've made all these statements South

1:28:51

Africa says well, that's genocide Israel says how dare you

1:28:53

that's blood libel It just shows you how ridiculous this

1:28:55

is and it's a point you just made actually that

1:28:57

it's not blood libel to acknowledge that You just said

1:28:59

you're doing or you're doing what you just said

1:29:02

you're gonna do, you know And and

1:29:04

you could you what's the give you the quick quick

1:29:06

quick background of blood libel? It comes from the allegation

1:29:08

against Jews right regard to yeah So

1:29:11

it's the blood libel allegation was

1:29:13

used in order to murder

1:29:16

and expel Jewish populations in Europe

1:29:19

so like this is the thing like To

1:29:22

try and accuse them of blood libel like oh

1:29:24

well you're Where where's

1:29:27

the fret coming by saying

1:29:29

that under international law you're doing the thing that

1:29:31

you said you do it That

1:29:34

it makes no sense and like

1:29:36

it's ridiculous to even I don't even feel

1:29:38

most of the time like going into it

1:29:41

I feel like laughing at it. It's the

1:29:43

same like the accusations of anti-semite. You're an

1:29:45

anti-semite Okay, even

1:29:47

if I was refute my point Right

1:29:50

exactly, but then on to the main obvious

1:29:52

reality is that you're not but the your

1:29:54

point making there Is that you're not even

1:29:56

engaging with the logical argument we made like

1:29:58

you're you just can't you? Like

1:30:01

whether or not this person's racist are you gonna ask

1:30:03

why your government murdered people? You know, it's like it

1:30:05

just becomes this it's obvious That's that's

1:30:07

the point I made earlier that it seems right

1:30:09

now All we're really dealing with are people that

1:30:11

are like really three categories like afraid to even

1:30:13

get into this conversation But mostly

1:30:15

see it people that see it are screaming about it

1:30:17

and people that are invested in the interest of Israel

1:30:19

Like I don't know anybody I've talked to

1:30:21

everybody I talked to is in one of those three categories

1:30:24

And it's not like I'm not sure This is probably

1:30:26

one of the I'm beginning to think this is more

1:30:28

obvious than the way I think people were seeing what

1:30:30

koba 19 was at the end, you know, and it's

1:30:32

for things like this Israel minister

1:30:34

is now openly calling for the return of

1:30:36

Jewish settlers to the Gaza Strip when I

1:30:38

said that in the beginning We were called

1:30:40

racist and a conspiracy theorist, you know, it's

1:30:42

actually on the surface what they're doing former

1:30:44

Israeli settlers You're into return to Gaza, you

1:30:46

know illegal settlers Smotritch touts

1:30:48

the revival of the Gaza settlement after war

1:30:50

once Gazans encouraged to leave don't you love

1:30:53

this new dynamic now? They're talking about voluntary

1:30:55

displacement like like what's happened so far is

1:30:57

with you know That's what they're not doing

1:30:59

asking them. Would you mind going to Egypt

1:31:01

like as they're Starving with in

1:31:04

a desert on the s, you know Anyway,

1:31:07

what are your thoughts on that? Voluntary

1:31:09

we destroyed your home and killed wiped out

1:31:12

half your family and then afterwards we said

1:31:14

hey You can go into the desert if

1:31:16

you want like that's voluntary,

1:31:18

of course But

1:31:20

no like this whole idea of them bringing

1:31:22

settlements in to Gaza Unless

1:31:25

they completely wiped the population from Gaza. It's

1:31:27

not going to happen. It's a pipe dream

1:31:29

But it's their genocidal ambitions and this bloodlust.

1:31:32

They want to see everyone dead so much

1:31:34

blood and killing and murder and They

1:31:37

they you know get off off of this

1:31:39

stuff I mean look at how the soldiers

1:31:41

are carrying on and by the way These

1:31:43

reports will start to emerge in more details

1:31:45

and but in the north of the

1:31:47

Gaza Strip where there's hundreds of thousands of people

1:31:49

Still there's various allegations

1:31:51

of sexual assault. There's executing

1:31:53

people at random throwing women

1:31:55

pregnant women off of roofs

1:31:59

All sorts of things I hear new stories every single

1:32:01

day, people being released

1:32:03

from the detention and like everyone in

1:32:05

the group, basically, they had all their

1:32:07

bones broken. I heard

1:32:10

the other day of someone who was

1:32:12

released and from the

1:32:14

group only he and another were able

1:32:16

to walk the rest of them weren't

1:32:18

even able to walk. That's

1:32:21

how badly they were beaten. They were like their bones

1:32:23

are broken in their legs. So the way that they're

1:32:25

treating them in one case, they shot dead the men,

1:32:27

the husbands and fathers in

1:32:30

front of their children and wives.

1:32:32

And then they took the

1:32:34

women and children into a room and threw a grenade in

1:32:36

the room. Which

1:32:38

they're doing, which interestingly

1:32:40

ties back to the allegation about what Hamas did

1:32:43

on October 7. And there's all these weird overlaps

1:32:45

to the as people have argued, they tend to

1:32:47

accuse them of that which you are guilty, which

1:32:49

is a classic propaganda tactic, right? It's, and

1:32:51

you know, what's dangerous about this, and

1:32:54

this is why I I truly despise

1:32:56

Western media, I despise

1:32:58

them, the Israelis, they're

1:33:01

gonna say whatever they're gonna say, that

1:33:03

you disgusting, despicable pieces

1:33:05

of human filth,

1:33:08

who call themselves journalists, who

1:33:11

repeated these lies, egged

1:33:13

on these Israelis to do this. Those

1:33:16

soldiers there now believe this nonsense

1:33:18

because the US president was reporting the

1:33:21

same thing and saying he sort of

1:33:23

confirmed photos of the headed babies, they're

1:33:25

committing these atrocities with more anger and

1:33:27

more hatred in their hearts. Right?

1:33:31

Because they believe all this nonsense crap

1:33:34

that they say about October 7. Oh,

1:33:36

they, you know,

1:33:38

they mutilated the woman's body and

1:33:40

the Hamas fighters were gang raping

1:33:43

and throwing around the breast and

1:33:45

beheading the women and and hanging

1:33:47

the baby on clothing lines and

1:33:50

beheading all of the babies, 40 babies

1:33:52

and everything that you can

1:33:55

imagine, this is the most disgusting, made

1:33:57

up nonsense that you've ever heard. And

1:33:59

they repeat it constantly and then this whole thing

1:34:01

that the New York Times and every other media

1:34:03

outlet in the west like well there is proof

1:34:06

where's the proof of the mass

1:34:08

rapes I wanted independent investigation by

1:34:10

the way if it happened 100 you're

1:34:13

gonna get a condemnation from me

1:34:15

right I'm not gonna hear

1:34:17

and justify that that's disgusting there's no

1:34:20

way to justify that however is

1:34:23

there a single person they this is what

1:34:25

they say to you when you go okay

1:34:27

where's the females they say believe all Israeli

1:34:29

women okay

1:34:31

where's the Israeli woman that's

1:34:33

alleging that she was sexually assaulted

1:34:35

and raped there are none it's

1:34:38

all wrong claiming to to

1:34:40

relay what they say is what they're claiming that's it yeah it's

1:34:43

like believe what men say about what

1:34:45

Israeli women allegedly went through and they've

1:34:47

got no physical evidence of it they've

1:34:49

got no women accusers and the one

1:34:51

woman that came forward with an actual

1:34:53

story saying she saw another woman raped

1:34:56

said this nonsense story about all of

1:34:58

these women being beheaded in her

1:35:00

accounts of what was happening and we know

1:35:02

that there weren't all these women beheaded right

1:35:05

so obviously she's a known liar I'm

1:35:08

showing this on for the podcast the the Heretz article

1:35:10

where they literally break this down and it's it's the

1:35:12

title is the Hamas mass and by the way the

1:35:14

Hebrew version of this is way more important than the

1:35:16

one that came out in English which waters it down

1:35:18

the Hamas massacre led to the spread of horror stories

1:35:20

not all of which happened in reality and I'll include

1:35:23

this as always but you can read through these oh

1:35:25

this is the one that's behind the way I'll have

1:35:27

to get the way back machine version but the the

1:35:29

point is that in this article they openly discussed what

1:35:31

you're saying Robert the fact that there were no beheaded

1:35:33

people there were no rather the

1:35:35

specifically there's no proof evidence

1:35:37

you could argue is an allegation as a person

1:35:39

you know people seeing certain things but no proof

1:35:42

of rape no proof of beheaded babies let alone

1:35:44

human beings in in in the context of the

1:35:46

uh even Owen Jones from the Guardian made that

1:35:48

statement um this is an important one actually I'll

1:35:50

do this real quick since I want to show

1:35:52

this the the guy from zaka right

1:35:55

that group that's been this this individual has

1:35:57

been specifically the one who's been going around

1:36:00

and repeating the story over and over.

1:36:02

And it's not true. Even Herette says

1:36:05

very clearly that the idea that one, a

1:36:07

baby put in an oven didn't happen, as

1:36:10

well as the fact that the

1:36:13

mother's stomach being cut open and opened, that

1:36:15

didn't happen either. And that's this guy right

1:36:17

here. He continues to

1:36:19

go around and make these statements to this very day.

1:36:22

And they make it in this very article. They say

1:36:24

that's just not true. It did not happen. I

1:36:26

just find it crazy that they just continue to

1:36:28

double down on the evidence. And the rape allegations

1:36:30

I've gone really deep on in general. Like, again,

1:36:33

we could probably follow up on that. But they've

1:36:35

used images that we've proven. We're from 2022. I'm

1:36:40

using basic science and medicine, or

1:36:42

rather, I guess, health. I pointed out that the

1:36:44

idea of the pelvis bone being broken by somebody

1:36:46

raping somebody is near impossible. The amount of weight

1:36:48

it takes to do that, it

1:36:51

takes like a violent car crash. And I went over

1:36:53

this in depth in the show. And so all these

1:36:55

things are coming out to prove that they

1:36:57

lied or made some things happen to cover

1:36:59

up what they did. I don't know. That's for the audience to

1:37:01

decide. But that's a really uncomfortable

1:37:03

reality. Now, I want to go

1:37:06

ahead. You know, there's allegations as

1:37:08

well. And when they started pushing this really

1:37:10

hard, allegations started coming out

1:37:12

from Palestinian women, female prisoners who

1:37:14

were released, where they said that

1:37:16

the Israeli guards were raping them.

1:37:19

So they started pushing at this time. And

1:37:21

Haaretz, by the way, participated in this. They

1:37:23

said, testimony after testimony. Yeah, I read the

1:37:26

entire article. And it was not a single

1:37:28

testimony. They haven't taken any direct testimony. This

1:37:31

commission that was set up hasn't taken

1:37:33

a single direct testimony. Yet they've already

1:37:35

drawn their conclusions on what they say

1:37:37

that happened in the mass rape campaign.

1:37:39

When the woman who's heading it up,

1:37:42

LKM Levy, I forget her first name.

1:37:45

That's her last name. She

1:37:48

says, oh, how dare

1:37:50

you? I'm not going to fall into it.

1:37:52

That's a dirty game to play. You're asking

1:37:54

me to give an estimate on how many

1:37:56

were raped. And then because she's like, journalists

1:37:58

came to me. I'm paraphrasing. Journalists came

1:38:01

to me and they were asking, is it

1:38:03

10? Is it 100? Is

1:38:05

it thousands? Can you give us an estimate? And

1:38:08

I'm not going to play that game

1:38:10

like she's morally above them. And she's

1:38:12

connected to the Prime Minister's office and

1:38:14

made legal justifications for like torture methods

1:38:16

and all sorts of nonsense. And

1:38:19

then she comes out like it's the

1:38:21

hardest thing I ever did is make

1:38:23

these allegations basically against Palestinians, which are

1:38:25

the equivalent to like look at these

1:38:28

savages. This is why we need to

1:38:30

kill them. Believe us. Believe Israeli men

1:38:32

talking about Israeli women, but we're going

1:38:34

to say Israeli women. It's

1:38:36

like she's an Israeli woman, but

1:38:39

she's not the one making the allegations. Right,

1:38:42

right. I'll include this. Here's the one you mentioned.

1:38:44

I'll include this as well. And you're

1:38:46

right. I mean this was the main point immediately

1:38:49

pointed out, testimony after testimony. In this very article,

1:38:51

they make the point that they have yet to

1:38:53

take testimony. It's insulting. And then

1:38:55

again, the larger point of all this is

1:38:57

just here – this is her speaking about

1:38:59

this exact discussion. I think it was Max

1:39:01

Blumenthal that originally broke this and pointed out

1:39:03

that this image that was used on this

1:39:05

website was old. I

1:39:08

then found – I caught that they had deleted it

1:39:10

from this website after that was broke. But here's the

1:39:12

actual image right here, and it's posted on Twitter from

1:39:14

2022. And it's got this Curtis

1:39:16

woman from before. And here she

1:39:19

is literally producing that image in

1:39:21

her presentation of that woman. So

1:39:23

right there, alone, they're presenting this as

1:39:26

factual information that we can prove is not true. So

1:39:29

at the very least, to an objective person out there, you

1:39:31

have to acknowledge that they have sent things out that are

1:39:33

not true. And I would argue you can prove that they

1:39:35

know that. And so like

1:39:38

I said, same thing you said. I'm not – when that

1:39:40

woman was brought out of the back of the Jeep, I

1:39:42

said that looks like she was probably sexually abused. But

1:39:44

I'm not going to say I know that because we

1:39:47

don't know what the context was. She could have been

1:39:49

sitting in blood. We don't know. So my point was,

1:39:51

until we have more evidence, we don't know, and we've

1:39:53

never gotten more. Oh, and since we're into this, I

1:39:55

will include the – I'll

1:39:57

find it when we're done, the Times of Israel article where –

1:40:00

Or they go over the fact that their forensic evidence was

1:40:02

not taken, and that time is now past. So

1:40:04