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I'm a hypochondriac that also loves to travel.

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And I don't want to, you

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know, toot my own horn, but I travel pretty

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I am to see and I aim to see

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what I know. It's basically a mantra that's all

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new overseas and all across America. Uh,

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but as you know, my interests in

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life are weighted heavily in my

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obsession with a pop culture. Probably

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why if you follow me on Instagram, I'm

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usually outside the Myers house, if I travel

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and I'm in LA or, you know, if

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I'm in New York, I'm finding ghostbuster locations

2:41

and also the changeling and also

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reenacting George C. Scott walking around in the

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beginning of the changeling, because that's just what

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I like to do anyway.

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So you could imagine my

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me, like you, like all of us,

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it's called Stephen King's main. And

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you may have heard about it. Uh, after

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all, it got the endorsement from uncle Stevie

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himself. Please welcome Sharon

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kitchens to the club. Sharon,

3:13

say hello. Tell us a little bit

3:16

about yourself. And you know, we always

3:18

go with our Stephen King

3:20

origin stories. Uh, so maybe start

3:22

there. Yeah. I've lived in Maine for

3:24

a little over two decades and,

3:26

uh, I grew up in a suburb, I grew

3:28

up between a suburb of DC and a little

3:30

town in Arkansas. And then somehow

3:32

made my way to New York and Los

3:34

Angeles, the bright lights. And then. To

3:37

Maine and my, my origin, my

3:39

Stephen King origin story is, okay. So when

3:42

I was growing up, my dad traveled a

3:44

lot and we had one

3:46

of these big, big ass, um,

3:49

National Geographic atlases, like the big kind

3:51

of turquoise blue ones, probably

3:53

as big as I was. And so,

3:55

so my dad, when he would go away,

3:57

right. And he would travel and he'd come.

4:00

back and we look at the book and we

4:02

look at places that he'd been and all of

4:04

that. And so at one point he'd been up

4:06

to Maine, right? So he was telling me about

4:08

Maine and he was telling me about Acadia. And

4:10

I think it was around that time. So

4:13

that's how I became interested in place and

4:15

story and the two together. And I

4:17

think it was around that time, probably

4:19

when he was on one of his trips that I

4:21

got my greedy little hands on his bookcase. And

4:24

right after I totally, inappropriately read

4:26

In Cold Blood by Truman Capote.

4:28

Oh wow. I was going to

4:30

say that's a dark, that's probably a darker

4:32

book than King's. And Stephen King will

4:35

love this one is The Onion Field

4:37

I think was next. Yeah. Also completely

4:39

inappropriate for my age. And then I

4:41

got my hands on, I think it

4:43

was like Salem's Lot was like the

4:45

first one, which I love to this

4:47

day. And he is so expert about

4:49

place and story. And so it

4:51

was just kind of that whole, that's a really

4:53

long way of saying that's kind of where I

4:55

came into like Stephen King and Maine and storytelling

4:58

and all that. So no, it's fair. I

5:01

mean, there is something about finding

5:03

Stephen King at a young age. Like that's how I did.

5:06

I said it so many different times in this

5:08

podcast, now that we're seven years, I can't remember

5:10

what my own origin story is. Because

5:13

I've learned that I'm just starting to

5:15

lose my memories with like some of

5:17

the earliest moments. But I want

5:19

to say one of the earliest memories I remember

5:21

just seeing his books was the hardcover of The

5:23

Shining. And just the like,

5:25

I didn't even have to read it to

5:28

know like, oh, this is something evil. Like this is

5:30

something I shouldn't be looking at. This is something that

5:32

is taboo. And it was like the

5:34

kid's eyes, which is funny, because he's the good guy in the book.

5:36

But I was like terrified of the kid. It wasn't anything else on

5:38

the book. It was just the kids with the eyes. But

5:41

it's funny how you just gravitate towards that stuff. And it

5:43

was like, I just would take it from my dad's shelf

5:45

also and just be like, all right, I'm taking this. I'm

5:47

gonna fucking finally read this thing. Okay.

5:50

Yeah. And I feel like there's like, for those

5:52

of us constant readers, there's like those milestones in

5:54

lights and in the King reading. And so I

5:56

feel like when I read it, which I do

5:58

reread every few years. I just

6:00

kind of something about carrying the tome around with me. That

6:04

was like a second kind of introduction.

6:06

I mean, I remember that. I remember when

6:08

I read Misery, when I read Dolores

6:10

Claiborne, there's certain books that stand out

6:12

more than others, but it for me

6:14

was, yeah, it's okay. Like

6:16

I was the girl that was 100% at the library. How

6:19

many books can I take? How big a bag can I have?

6:22

And then also I'm going to fill my arms with

6:25

like just loads. So I just,

6:27

that book was like, it's okay to be

6:29

this way and not be maybe

6:32

like everyone else, you know, like be this

6:34

individual and also how rad are these people?

6:36

Like how are these kids that are going

6:38

out together to like, you know, get this

6:41

monster and yeah, I

6:43

loved their adventures. That was to me, it was

6:45

like super seated. Nancy Drew. Yeah,

6:47

there's there was something about because I in

6:50

terms of like adult reading that I

6:52

got into when I first was like, all right, this

6:54

is a book for adults. I do

6:56

recall like Jurassic Park being a big gateway for me because

6:58

it was like, all right, I love this movie. I'm going

7:00

to go read the full book now. And I do think

7:03

that was like a stepping stone for me to be like,

7:05

all right, I'm going to go read these bigger books, which

7:07

is probably when I went into like The Shining and all

7:09

these other things. But you're right. There

7:11

are a lot of entry points that are

7:14

interesting because it's like as a kid, I

7:16

did find myself gravitating towards the books that were big on

7:18

movies. Like I knew about the movies and I was like,

7:20

all right, I want to see these. I'm

7:23

just, my whole life was dictated movies growing

7:25

up. You know, I had like, if it was Jurassic

7:27

Park, that was there, then it was a soundtrack that

7:29

I would buy. And that's how I found bands. So

7:31

of course, it would be Stephen King movies that got

7:33

me into his books. But there

7:35

is something about revisiting, you

7:37

know, a lot of his adult books when you're

7:39

in your 20s versus your 30s versus, you know,

7:42

going into your 40s and which was what I'm doing

7:44

now. And I it's

7:47

just interesting how they evolve with you at that

7:50

time. Yeah, I feel like like, when

7:52

I was a kid, when I

7:54

was a teenager. As an adult, like

7:57

how I I look at the

7:59

different characters. I relate to, right?

8:01

So consistently, it's always been Mike from

8:04

the Losers Club. I mean, like in

8:06

the, in the, the, the story, that's

8:09

always been, yeah, it's,

8:11

it's just how, like Carrie, Carrie was

8:14

not one of my favorite books when

8:16

I was younger, a hundred percent. It's

8:18

like one of my top favorite Stephen

8:20

King books out of question because I

8:22

have all these life experiences that have

8:24

added up where I'm like, okay, like

8:27

I get more what he's writing. I have

8:29

so much more appreciation and also the writing

8:31

is so good. It's really good. Yeah.

8:33

Yeah. So the rainy season in

8:35

nightmares and dreamscapes that to me is a

8:37

star like full on and that wasn't something

8:39

I would ever, I think of appreciated when

8:41

I was younger and they're just something about

8:43

those damn femperic toads that I'm in love

8:45

with. Yeah. Well, that's a big

8:48

favorite with ours too. We love that. Okay. So

8:50

we love because again, yeah, it's like, is it

8:52

kind of was really drawn in by the horror of it,

8:55

right? Like the hook and oh, this

8:57

one's about the killer car. This one's about the killer dog.

8:59

This one's about, Hey, this is a

9:01

space act played Carrie. I got to read this. So, but

9:05

like now the dead zone is my favorite and a

9:07

lot of it is because, you know, I'm old enough

9:09

to understand what it's like when a relationship doesn't work

9:11

out. And then there's all these, this what ifs that

9:13

come with it. And seeing that

9:16

relationship with Johnny and Sarah,

9:18

it's like, Oh, I there's, I get this now.

9:20

I maybe as a kid when I read it

9:22

and you know, middle school was probably like, you

9:25

know, thinking more about the, the premonitions and what

9:28

have you, but now it hits harder at

9:30

a different level. And that's why I think, I

9:32

think what we've learned so much about talking about Stephen

9:34

King over the years is that it is

9:36

such a disservice that there are

9:38

folks out there that are like, Oh, well, you

9:40

know, it's just a horror writer. It's not, it's

9:42

so more multifaceted and it's so much more about

9:45

the human condition and, and

9:47

what have you. But with, with King, when

9:50

did you realize like their, were works connected?

9:52

Cause you start, like started out early with

9:54

Salem's lot. That's a big sprawling

9:56

story that he was going to be able to kind

9:58

of hallmark in the year. years to come, but

10:01

when was it you're like, oh,

10:03

these worlds absolutely connect and

10:05

did the obsession kind

10:08

of flood in shortly after that discovery?

10:11

So like, do you mean, cause I feel like I've

10:13

always known that he was the author of

10:15

all of these books that I liked, but do you mean,

10:17

did I get like kind of connect place with him? Yeah,

10:20

like when it's like, oh, Castle Rocks and this,

10:22

and then now it's in this, and then, or,

10:24

you know, like the dimensionings of like, the fact

10:26

that there is a King's Dominion, there

10:28

are so many different worlds that, that are connected

10:30

through his stories. Did you know that ahead of

10:32

time or did you realize it while reading it?

10:35

So actually I was way more into his

10:37

characters than I was into place before. Yeah.

10:39

Interesting. That's where I was 100% at. And

10:42

I was really leaning into like the female characters

10:44

and what I was taking from them and these

10:46

powerhouse women, but I also

10:48

wasn't interested in like his private life at

10:51

all. Like I didn't know really about his

10:53

relationship with his mom until I started working

10:55

on the book or anything like that. I

10:57

mean, I revere also his, his wife, his

10:59

partner, Tabitha, of course, but

11:01

I want to read more of her actually. And I want

11:03

to just say that I would like them to reissue those

11:06

cause they're out of print. And I was

11:08

so bummed. I didn't know that cause I went into

11:10

Bridgerton books and was like, I want to, you know,

11:12

load up on like, I read this one I got

11:14

from the library. So her writing is

11:16

also awesome. I just want to say that too. But

11:19

I think the place came into it was

11:21

like a couple of years before, two or

11:23

three years before the pandemic, no, a couple

11:25

of years before the pandemic, there was this

11:27

guy that I was working with and he

11:29

happened to mention that he'd been up in

11:31

Orrington with friends and he'd seen the pet cemetery

11:33

house. And I was like, excuse me, stop everything

11:35

back the truck up. Like, what are you talking

11:37

about? And then it was like, oh my God,

11:40

that's right. That's right. Like I was like a

11:42

kid again. And this is what I love about

11:44

King. I was so excited. And

11:46

I was like, he, he grew up

11:48

in Maine. That's right. So of course,

11:50

and his stories are set here. And

11:52

then I started rereading the stories.

11:55

And then somewhere along the

11:57

way I realized I'd literally been driving by

11:59

the house. you

24:00

know, got everything right. How would you be able

24:02

to get everything right in this? I mean, so

24:04

much of this is basically you're

24:07

trying to turn on the lights and in

24:09

the dark, right? Like, I mean, there,

24:11

I imagine throughout this research, there

24:14

are a lot of holes that you probably

24:16

were like, okay, where, how do I fill these?

24:18

If this is someone's anecdote, this is someone's

24:20

other anecdote. I

24:22

mean, was there a lot of just kind

24:24

of like, all right, these strings kind of

24:26

come together? So I spent a lot

24:28

of time with the people at the

24:31

Lisbon Historical Society who are all in

24:33

their seventies and eighties. And I think

24:35

it was like they knew when I would get into town, I swear

24:38

I would stop at like the cap, the little river

24:40

coffee, which is in the book, I get my latte.

24:42

And by the time I was there, it was

24:45

like, which is on the square, by the way,

24:47

where I'm sure that the dead zone is based.

24:49

Because when you stand in it and look around,

24:51

you're like, my God, like even the, even how

24:54

like the land like goes up and like the

24:56

different buildings, it's totally yes. So I

24:58

would go there and they would like crowd around

25:00

and one guy would be on like the computer

25:02

and we'd be like, no, this store was here

25:04

then and this was here then and then this

25:06

happened. And one of those days when I was

25:08

in there, I met Doug Hall, who is just

25:10

a gem. And so his

25:12

younger brother was friends with Stephen

25:15

King when they were growing up. So Doug was able to

25:17

like, okay, I don't, he was like

25:19

very clear, like, you know, his memory and he wasn't sure,

25:21

like 100% with certain things, but

25:24

there was a lot that he could show

25:26

me. Right. And, and, and then it was like, okay, yeah.

25:28

And then I would go back and I'd read and this

25:30

makes sense. Where I wasn't as sure

25:32

about things was when I was in places like

25:34

Rumford, which I would just did completely on my

25:37

own. But he mentioned that

25:39

I knew like in a book or

25:41

I knew that I'd found out

25:43

that like his brother had lived in Mexico, which

25:45

is just across the river from, from Rumford. They're

25:47

like twin sisters, twin cities. And

25:50

then there were just certain things the way he would

25:52

write it. And then I would talk to people like

25:54

I talked to him, like a guy, Tim, who

25:56

I know who he'd gone to humane and

25:58

he lived in and he'd done

26:00

the road trip that Stephen King would have done to

26:03

Western Maine. So I was like, just tell me about

26:05

it. What's that like? Like, what are you seeing?

26:08

And then I was just going out

26:10

to places and

26:12

experiencing them. And I,

26:14

yeah, I mean, some

26:16

of it was just, I

26:22

read all these interviews that he had done. So

26:25

some of it was guesswork, but I feel like, I

26:27

hope, I hope that I did this in the book.

26:29

I tried to be very clear that like, look, this

26:31

is me coming out. Oh, I agree. You

26:33

know, so if I'm wrong, it's me, it's all on

26:35

me. So in these travels,

26:38

how much preparation was it when you

26:41

were like going out to some of these towns, talking

26:43

to some of these people? I just, I'm like, my visual

26:45

in my head was like every paperback

26:49

in the trunk and you're like, all right,

26:51

here I am in Lewiston. Let me

26:53

pull out this book or, you know, I'm here in

26:55

Lisbon Falls. Let me, I got all the Castle Rock

26:57

books in my hands right now. Or

27:00

did you just have it like already like noted and you're

27:02

kind of just like, all right, walking around with papers or

27:04

something like that? I did both. So

27:06

I had like my notebooks, my spiral bound notebooks

27:09

and my pens and you know, all that. And

27:11

then I had a three ring binder, which I

27:13

had some notes in and some like maps. And

27:15

then I would probably bring like a paperback or

27:17

two that was relevant also. Cause okay, I wanted

27:19

to take a photo like, oh, hey, I'm here,

27:21

you know, that kind of thing. I

27:24

think a lot of it, he named

27:26

stuff. And because I live in Maine,

27:28

I'm already aware of a lot of

27:30

stuff culturally. So he talks

27:32

about like, I marked it actually, cause I wanted

27:34

to bring this up. Cause like in Salem's lot,

27:36

I don't know to what extent I really wrote

27:39

about this, but like the Jerusalem's lot town dump.

27:42

The fact that he like talks about what

27:44

that looks like and like the people

27:46

that are hanging out there. And he

27:48

also has stuff like junkyards and like

27:50

in the body and other things. That

27:53

is 100% or was a part of the culture before

27:56

regulations changed. People would go and hang

27:59

out at town. which

30:00

is unfortunate. Like, yeah, that's,

30:03

so how did, when you

30:05

had all this research, where you just

30:07

have like tapes and notebooks and photos.

30:09

And I mean, what was it like

30:12

to actually just sit down and put this together? I'm

30:15

kind of folders. I had a full, so this is what

30:17

I, I figured, okay, if I'm gonna do this, I have

30:19

to be super organized. So I had my notebooks where I

30:21

had the notes, right? And then I

30:23

had a folder for each town. And

30:26

then I had a folder where I had

30:28

spreadsheets and timelines because I had to figure

30:30

out when was he writing what? And then

30:32

like, I literally would go through and be

30:34

like, okay, he mentions, I started, because I

30:36

like patterns. So I was like, okay, Pepsi,

30:39

Pepsi, Pepsi, Pepsi, Coke, Coke, Coke, Coke, birds.

30:41

He mentions birds a lot. I was reading

30:43

the Boy Scouts. So like the Boy Scouts.

30:45

So I started realizing like, there

30:48

are these, these themes, I'm sure I missed,

30:50

who knows how many, but these were the

30:52

ones I found. So I started that chart

30:54

and then I would also do stuff like,

30:56

okay, so Methodist Church or Mill, or

30:59

how many times like Western Auto is like

31:01

a thing he mentions in so many books,

31:03

or how many ways to Sunday

31:06

does he change the Kelly Fruit Company, the

31:08

Kennebec Fruit Company, or Tony's Sanoko.

31:11

And then I started getting better at

31:14

what questions I was gonna ask,

31:16

right? Like I didn't really know

31:18

at first. I was just going in and saying, hey, I'm,

31:21

I think I have this idea and I'm interested in

31:24

this. And yeah, that

31:26

was, that was how I did that. So

31:29

it was a group project, I feel like,

31:31

like I wrote the book, but it's all

31:33

those people in historical societies and his

31:36

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40:00

can tell you if you want to know. Yeah. Okay.

40:04

So, and I hope it's okay. I'm cheating a little

40:06

bit because I have the book in front of me,

40:08

but again, this is just my opinion. I could be,

40:10

I could be wrong about this, but I take this

40:12

from my personal life, right? So I'm injecting my personal

40:15

life into this. My dad was my primary

40:17

caregiver when I was growing up, right? So

40:19

I was looking for, and still kind of

40:21

do look for like mother figures in people

40:23

that are like, like his sister, my, my

40:25

aunt Emily was, and I have

40:28

friends like my friend, aunt Marie is kind of like

40:30

sort of like adoptive mother, right? So

40:33

I was, and again, injecting myself

40:35

into this. So I was thinking, well, he's

40:37

growing up, he's looking for not

40:39

even looking, but they're father figures, right? And

40:42

so the guy who ran Warren

40:44

Blick was the store, right? At

40:46

Western auto. And then the guy

40:49

who ran Tony Senoco, who I want

40:51

to say was Tony, but I'm, yeah, it

40:53

was. Yeah, I

40:55

can't, I don't know. Tony Martin, it

40:57

was Tony Martin service station. Yeah. So

41:00

those guys consistently, I was hearing from

41:03

the old timers. These were really nice

41:05

guys and they would have the patience

41:07

just like the guy at the Kennebec

41:09

fruit company. These were people that would

41:12

talk to kids. They've enjoyed kids and

41:14

Western auto was like, it

41:17

was, they did do the car work in

41:19

the back, which by the way, again, if you ever come,

41:21

I'll show you where they did the car work and where

41:23

that little police station was and the Crossman funeral home and

41:25

all that. But like,

41:27

so they would sell everything from

41:30

sleds to guns there. So

41:32

imagine Stephen King, like it's like a

41:34

needful things type situation. That's what I

41:36

was wondering. Yeah. It's

41:38

a plethora. And I don't know that he had much money,

41:40

you know, growing up. So also just looking at this stuff.

41:43

And then there's this really nice guy who's willing to be

41:45

like, yeah, hang out here. Yeah. And

41:47

it's like the Tony Senoco pops up, I think too,

41:49

because that was where the wrecks were

41:52

taken. So I mean, that's where he's

41:54

seeing all these wrecks. And it was also the deer tagging

41:56

station. It's all so close to each

41:58

other. You can throw a stone. the

48:00

pride he would have. He doesn't dig the graves

48:02

anymore, but he dug them by hand. That was

48:04

really important to me. I wanted to meet someone

48:07

who dug them by hand because that's only you

48:09

can find that in small towns and because Stephen

48:11

King did dig one and talks

48:13

about it. And the way that he walked

48:15

me through how you do it, but when

48:18

his eyes just like, I don't know, you

48:20

know what, like when someone's eyes, they kind

48:22

of smile, like, do you know that thing?

48:24

And the pride that he has when he

48:26

would talk about how like someone would say

48:29

that he had dug a good grave. The

48:31

corners were just how they should be that he

48:33

knew his dad would be okay with that. And

48:35

I just thought that was beautiful,

48:37

absolutely beautiful. So

48:40

what an incredible human being. And

48:43

I just, I just, yeah. And then he went down into

48:45

the basement and he brought up this book. His uncle had

48:47

written about the history of Lisbon and gave it to me.

48:49

And I just didn't even know what to do with myself.

48:52

I just love that.

48:55

Yeah. I'm a big fan of graveyards too. I

48:57

grew up next to one in Fort

48:59

Lauderdale. It's where Leslie Nielsen's buried actually. Okay.

49:03

Yeah. It's always a weird anecdote. Like people would come in to

49:05

visit me down in South Florida and be like, all right, let's,

49:07

the first thing we do is like go get a drink. And

49:09

then we'd go out and I'd be like, Hey, look, it's Leslie

49:11

Nielsen's grave. And they'd be like, cool. But

49:14

here in Chicago, they have Graceland cemetery.

49:16

And all last fall and

49:18

last year, especially in fall, just because it's gorgeous here

49:20

in the fall. The only time I could say it's

49:22

gorgeous in Chicago, but the running, I would just be

49:24

running and walking and you're right. I did treat it

49:26

like a park and I, I was so

49:29

obsessed. They have like a really cute Instagram where they

49:31

like show the different graves and the history. They have

49:33

like different histories about the, the graves. I'm obsessed with

49:35

it. And so I, when we went

49:37

to, we went to, they took us to Mount Hope. Yeah.

49:41

I was, there was like, I was really like

49:43

overwhelmed by it because it's, I think it was

49:45

just because the rolling, the way it's built with

49:47

like the hills and everything. Enormous. Yeah.

49:49

Yeah. But great stuff. I,

49:51

I'm dying to go to like the,

49:54

the ones that you mentioned in here, because I feel

49:57

like I didn't get enough time to walk. I was on

49:59

the tour for the. just even came to work. So I was

50:01

like, I just want to go on the tour. I don't want to walk

50:03

around. And also some of the smaller

50:05

cemeteries and see, and that's the other thing. That

50:07

was one of the reasons. So before I started

50:09

working on this book, when I was going on

50:11

these hikes, I would drive by these tiny like

50:13

towns where there was like the gas

50:15

station had stopped working sometime in the seventies. There

50:17

were, you know, I don't even know if there

50:19

was any kind of main street situation happening. There

50:22

would be the biggest ass mausoleum you've ever seen

50:24

in your life. Like in, and there'd be like

50:27

four cemeteries. I mean, like, this

50:29

is how it was, you know, you would just cemetery

50:31

after cemetery. And I was just like, oh yeah, okay,

50:33

Stephen King. This is so Stephen King before I

50:35

even knew, right? Before even like, so,

50:37

but yeah, there there's so much

50:39

history in those. Also, I love

50:41

monster, the old monster movies. Give me

50:44

the blob, like, ways to say, and

50:46

so the Aladdin theater scene, like in it.

50:49

So I actually got to go to the public

50:52

theater in Lewiston. I've been a number of times

50:54

to see plays actually now. And,

50:56

and I actually to sit there, I

50:59

just sat there the whole time I went to the first

51:01

play and just thought about Stephen King watching the monster movie

51:03

there. I don't even, I wasn't even concentrating that much on

51:05

the play, which was really good. And

51:07

then I got to meet a guy who had actually

51:10

been there and could tell me about how like, oh

51:12

yeah, so this is where, you know,

51:14

the bathroom here and where you bought your ticket

51:16

here and the red velvet. And I just, oh

51:18

my God, it was like, and then of course

51:20

I went back and watched, I love the mini

51:23

series it and watched it again. And again, I

51:25

won't lie. And people are going to be

51:27

like, oh my God, she's obsessed. Hey,

51:29

we all are. Why do you think we're, I

51:31

think I did a weekly show for seven years for

51:34

not being obsessed. That's why it's so funny when everyone's

51:36

like, you hate him if we get critical. I'm like,

51:38

oh yeah, I hate him. That's why we did a

51:40

weekly show for seven years. Like give me a break.

51:43

We're obsessed. And then just stand again,

51:45

coming out in the movie theater, what would he have

51:47

seen? And I just, I

51:50

love that. Again, I like, it's the

51:52

history. Okay, John's restaurant. It's again,

51:54

the food and also I love chili. Yeah.

51:57

So chili and milkshakes. I

52:00

am good chili. I love chili.

52:03

So Teresa Carl Sanders, she released

52:05

a cookbook a couple of years

52:07

ago. Yeah. That's another book I carried

52:09

around everywhere. I would just like, I wouldn't be cooking.

52:11

My fiance would just be like, what are you doing?

52:13

Like, you're not going to cook anything. I was like,

52:15

the pictures are so cool. I love it. It's a

52:18

cookbook. It's a great cookbook. Yeah. And the only thing

52:20

I made was the John's Chili. I've made it like

52:22

four or five times. It's great. Yeah. But I've always

52:24

dreamed. I was like, oh my god, is this a

52:26

place? And you said it was definitely based on something.

52:29

And also the cinnamon rolls. I

52:31

want to be really clear. Those are off

52:33

the hook. Yeah. So John's, I don't

52:36

know when it stopped being John's, but it was

52:38

before I ever came into anywhere near anything. But

52:40

supposedly, they were known for their chili. Then

52:43

it was a diner that I can't remember the name of,

52:45

but like a melds diner type place. And

52:47

I used to love to go there and get the tuna

52:49

melt and the fries. And I would just sit in a

52:51

booth. And this is, again, before I started working on this.

52:53

And I would just love it. And there was like, for

52:55

real, the jukebox and like the waitress would put it on

52:58

her husband would come in and they'd have lunch. And I

53:00

loved it. And then it became a

53:02

grilled cheese place, which really good grilled cheese. And

53:04

it's right there on Main Street. So you can

53:07

picture Sheriff Bannerman pulling his car up and parking

53:09

in front because that's where you'd park. And

53:11

you can see the plows with

53:13

the snow, the whole thing. It's

53:15

just then there's the supermarket, a stone's throw,

53:17

which is where the mist kind

53:20

of thing. So it's just, yeah, it's

53:23

that. And I feel like that

53:25

is the first appearance of Castle Rock, right? When

53:29

he meets Bannerman, that's like our first time in Castle

53:31

Rock? I think so. Or maybe there's anecdotes with Dodd.

53:33

I can't remember. But yeah, I

53:36

was so bummed to see that the clothes

53:38

were whatever because I was like, fuck, I

53:40

want to go. But the

53:42

building and the places. But

53:44

yeah, so I think he

53:46

gets into Castle County before. He's

53:49

already been into that. But yeah, I think that's

53:52

definitely, if not the first, it's one of the

53:54

first mentions of Castle Rock. And

53:57

that's Bridgerton because when Sherrick Bannerman

53:59

invited he writes him, he says it's in Bridgerton. Yes,

54:01

that's true. Yeah. So

54:04

that was also, yeah. I mean, I'm pretty sure

54:06

he says it's in Bridgerton. So. It's

54:09

been about five years since I've read it. So I'd have

54:11

to go back. But I just, yeah. Yeah. But

54:13

I know he does the damn good chili. And I don't know.

54:16

I just was like, yes. I love

54:18

a good diner. I feel like diner culture just

54:20

vanished. And it's just like, what, why? It's like

54:22

an American institution. Bring it back, please. But

54:25

you know what is still around, which is

54:27

in Wendy's button box is Simone's. And

54:31

that is in Lewiston. And that's where they

54:33

have the red hot dogs. And she lists

54:35

that in, what is it, Wendy's

54:37

final, what's the third one? Final task. Yeah.

54:40

So she actually lists that along with like other and a bunch of

54:42

other places in Maine. It's like one of her favorites. So

54:45

there's a photo that somebody showed me at

54:47

some point of Stephen King sitting in one of the

54:50

yellow boots they're eating. So. That makes

54:52

sense. You can go and get the hot dogs and they're

54:54

good. Yeah. And then they'll, the

54:56

combo onion ring French fries, but you know, I don't order

54:58

for you, but I'm just saying. I'm a

55:00

sucker for this stuff. I like, I will

55:02

go, like I've gone to multiple places. Every,

55:05

I mean, every time I travel, I'm like, Oh, what is the

55:07

thing that was like, you know, shot in

55:09

a movie or in a story? Like I want

55:11

to go and experience this. I'm going to be

55:14

doing it with like Clint Eastwood's stuff, like coming

55:16

up next month or whatever. Like this is my

55:18

life. That's my life. So I'm all for it.

55:20

Yeah. And the Freiburg fair,

55:22

the sausage sandwich that he gets there

55:24

is amazing. Nice. So.

55:26

I'm noting all this down. So.

55:30

Yeah. Anyway, food, food, food, food

55:32

stuff, but he, I will tell you he

55:34

has, he's a good order. So if you

55:36

read that he writes something and like, he

55:38

doesn't order fries, don't order the fries. Yeah.

55:41

I'm just saying. I've got the fries at that,

55:43

at the Rosie's place in level, and they were

55:46

soggy, but the burger and the, and the frat

55:48

were amazing. So I'm just saying, do what he

55:50

says. When we went to Pat's pizza,

55:52

I went, God, this

55:55

is when I really lost my mind. I was like,

55:57

everyone was ordering food. We got there a little later.

56:00

And they're all ready to eat. And I'm trying to

56:02

be like, all right, there's got to be something about what

56:04

was his favorite pizza. What did he like at getting at

56:06

Pat's Pizza? Come on, there's got to be something. And

56:09

I saw something about a hamburger pizza, or something that

56:11

felt like it was a hamburger pizza. So I ordered

56:13

that. It was the wrong thing to order. And everyone

56:15

was like, and then I found out later, it was

56:17

a different pizza that he liked or whatever. But I

56:19

remember I was so bummed. I was like, I did

56:21

this research. I was trying to find it. And everyone's

56:23

meal was so good. And I was just like, eh,

56:25

the hamburger pizza, it was good. But it's

56:28

not necessarily what I would eat. And

56:30

now I want to go back and order something

56:32

different because I was so bummed. Yeah, I

56:34

don't know. I know he drank a lot of beer there. I

56:37

probably would have guessed the cheese pizza, but I don't

56:39

even know. I don't know. I have no clue.

56:41

It was- I

56:43

haven't got a clue. But

56:45

I'm just saying, if it's in his books, yeah, 100%. And

56:49

then, oh, the Custom House in Salem's Lot.

56:51

Because I just, I don't know, I love

56:54

the idea of these dudes going down there.

56:56

Because I'm a huge fan of Dracula of

56:58

that book. Amazing. And they

57:00

go down to the Portland docks, and

57:02

they like the U-Haul truck or whatever

57:04

it is. And it's like they get these

57:07

boxes from England. And the thing is, the

57:09

way that the Wharf looked then versus now

57:12

is it's much more,

57:15

I don't want to, I mean, parts of it are much more rundown.

57:18

Parts of it are much more commercial. It's

57:20

certainly like, it used to be that

57:23

Commercial Street was all

57:25

fishing related businesses,

57:27

right? Now it's law firms.

57:29

It's whatever it is, right?

57:32

So I think the auction house, I got to go

57:34

to a fish auction once, and it's a tenth of

57:36

the size it used to be. So

57:39

you really have to look to find the lobster

57:41

boats. But at that time, that was really, I

57:43

mean, Portland

57:46

was gritty, right? And

57:48

that would have been, so I love

57:50

just, again, imagining them going down there

57:53

and all Bram Stoker like. Oh,

57:55

it's such a scary scene. That scene

57:57

is terrifying. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah.

58:00

dairy, because how can you not

58:03

just overall? And

58:06

for that, Stephen King tours, I'm just going to

58:08

be honest. Oh, well, look at- We were in

58:10

special. I did this on purpose. So I was- Yeah,

58:12

amazing. Yeah, I was like, all right, I got a

58:14

rep. I, this,

58:16

that's what kicked off the trip was, so a

58:18

few years ago, we had Jamie in the pod

58:21

and he was telling us all the stories. And

58:23

that's kind of the feeling you had of

58:25

like talking to like old timers, telling

58:27

stories and all. I, it's one of

58:29

my favorite, like it was one of my favorite episodes to date

58:31

at that point because it was just like, I could have had

58:33

him, I could have listened to him for like three more hours.

58:35

Like I finally had to be like, all right, I'm sorry. I'm,

58:37

you know, or he had to be like, I'm out

58:39

of here guys. But we were just, just

58:41

hearing those stories and just kind of all

58:44

the little anecdotes he had growing up, it was just

58:46

so awesome. So to finally go there and actually experience

58:48

the tour, it was overwhelming. I

58:50

think like all of us were like tearing

58:52

up most of the time throughout the whole

58:54

thing. But I imagine he was like in

58:56

an immaculate resource for you when

58:59

compiling all this stuff, right? Oh my gosh,

59:01

yeah. I mean, I, I mean, I

59:04

did a lot of my own research and stuff, but I've

59:06

done that tour a couple of times and I'm going back

59:08

to Bangor actually this weekend. The

59:10

tours are full, but I'm still gonna go by

59:12

and visit them and the library's closed, which made

59:14

me sad. Oh no, that's my, I love that place.

59:17

Yeah, but Jamie, but he suggested

59:19

to me, so you know how, so you went to

59:21

Manhope cemetery. So I'm guessing you did that with, did

59:23

you do that with SK Tours or with the historic?

59:26

SK Tours. Okay, so,

59:28

because he's recommended to me that to do

59:30

the historical society, he said they do awesome

59:32

cemetery tours. My friend, Michelle from Greenhead Books,

59:34

she's coming with me. So, cause I've got

59:36

a signing up there, oversharing

59:39

as usual. We couldn't do the SK Tours

59:41

thing, so we're gonna do a historic walking

59:43

tour of Bangor, which I'm super excited about

59:45

because there's a lot of really beautiful old

59:47

buildings down there and I'm, so I'm kinda

59:49

like, okay, well I'll definitely wanna do the

59:52

tour. You can never do the Stephen King

59:54

tour enough, just cause they're so awesome and

59:56

it's so much fun, but yeah, I mean,

59:58

dairy, like the Canadian. all

1:00:01

of it. It's just really interesting.

1:00:04

There was a tweet earlier this week that

1:00:06

was talking about the best horror films or

1:00:09

best horror movies have a sense of place.

1:00:12

Like he's in the background? Oh, I love that.

1:00:14

Well, that's not a horror movie. Okay, it's not a horror

1:00:16

movie. But hey, it's got this, it knows LA in that

1:00:18

movie. Yeah. And I wonder if that's

1:00:20

one of the reasons why it connects with so many

1:00:22

readers, because it is, you do feel like you're in

1:00:24

that, and especially when you're in Bangalore, like we were

1:00:26

just like, oh my God, like this is,

1:00:29

it's kind of hard. This didn't happen. We

1:00:31

had to keep reminding ourselves like this didn't

1:00:33

happen in real life. Like, it's like, well,

1:00:35

there's no Pennywise. It's just, it's

1:00:37

weird to have that feeling of like, well, these

1:00:40

these inspired the stories. But

1:00:42

it's still fiction, but it still feels real. Like

1:00:44

it was this weird sort of blurring of fiction

1:00:46

and reality. But I, I wondered with if one

1:00:48

of the, if Derry is, because I know the

1:00:51

coming of age story with like arc is like

1:00:53

a huge glue for that

1:00:55

book. But the sense of place of Derry,

1:00:57

like you say you read it multiple

1:00:59

times. Is that one of the reasons why you go back to it?

1:01:02

The characters, the places, the story, it's

1:01:04

the story, but I just, I love

1:01:07

the characters again. But I think how

1:01:10

to explain this, like, I think sometimes

1:01:12

I notice so much how he's writing

1:01:14

place because I love it so much.

1:01:16

But also sometimes like with it, one

1:01:18

of the things I love about it

1:01:20

is it just all flows. Like I'm

1:01:22

in it. I'm not distracted by anything.

1:01:24

Everything is so it's perfect.

1:01:27

I mean, like to me, it is a

1:01:29

perfect book. Like, okay, there's a little wonky

1:01:31

stuff at the end. Okay. Not gonna, but

1:01:34

like the first thousand pages are amazing. So

1:01:36

I'm just kidding. No, that's fine. Yeah. Yeah.

1:01:38

But it is, it's how he writes the place,

1:01:41

but it's the, it's those kids. I still as

1:01:43

an adult want to be one of those kids

1:01:45

and I want to have that group and John

1:01:47

Ritter. Oh, okay. I'm, you know, the, the televised,

1:01:49

but I just, uh, I just re-saw

1:01:51

John Campi Campo piano. Oh, yeah. I

1:01:55

love it. So yeah. I watched that in the

1:01:57

back. I just like work from home. So I just put that in

1:01:59

the background sometimes. because I just love being in that world. And

1:02:01

same thing with the pet cemetery one, because that's, I

1:02:04

just, I just. I'd be so talented. I

1:02:06

love John. I, the thing that,

1:02:10

I think that's so weird about his books though, like

1:02:12

King's books and especially even just the movies is that

1:02:14

like, like pet cemetery is one of the scariest stories

1:02:16

I've ever read in my life. But

1:02:18

I loved, I loved

1:02:20

being, like I, when

1:02:23

I think about like, oh, it's a dream place. Oh,

1:02:25

a house like that. Like, you know,

1:02:27

I know that the street sucks because of

1:02:29

the trucks, but like being able to experience

1:02:31

the seasons that sort of the fields, the,

1:02:33

you know, being able to go hiking and

1:02:35

the thing, like there's something comforting about

1:02:38

like that story, even though it's the most

1:02:40

harrowing fucking novel

1:02:43

ever. But yeah. Yeah. Delores Claiborne

1:02:45

and the islands. That's yeah, I get it.

1:02:48

I mean, no disrespect whatsoever to Bangor. When I say

1:02:50

this, I think one of the things that tracks me

1:02:52

to Bangor is that you, it, you have to work

1:02:54

a little bit harder just like you do

1:02:56

with Lewiston, right? Some places

1:02:58

aren't as obvious. Like there's, you

1:03:01

know, in Portland, it's

1:03:03

like when you go to other places, there's like a

1:03:05

million tour guides. There's a million bloggers out there

1:03:07

who are all telling you where to go to

1:03:09

get the best Instagram photo and the best, you

1:03:11

know, breakfast sandwich. And that's great. And

1:03:14

I love that so much, but I

1:03:16

love in Bangor that like, I know where to get

1:03:18

one of the best donuts in the world. And it's

1:03:20

at this bakery that I will take people to like,

1:03:22

or recommend when they're going there, or

1:03:25

just, you know, if you drive this way and

1:03:27

that, like there's this nook and cranny, or there's

1:03:29

this place that if you go in the basement

1:03:31

has like always all these hardcover Stephen Kings or

1:03:34

on and on and on and on

1:03:36

and on, right? All these awesome things

1:03:38

about Bangor, but it's just, it's not

1:03:40

as obvious. Yeah. Does that make

1:03:42

sense? No, it does. We

1:03:45

were kind of blown away that, you

1:03:47

know, and I'm from a seaside town where it's

1:03:49

like, you can't like walk a block without someone

1:03:51

reminding you that there's a cheer. And

1:03:54

Bangor, which they could have easily just capitalized

1:03:56

and king, they don't though. And

1:03:58

we were kind of, we kind of love that. Like, you know,

1:04:00

someone could have, yeah, I know that, you know, Gerald

1:04:02

Winters had the shop and everything, but it was just,

1:04:04

it felt very like, wow, I

1:04:06

just expected in this country, especially, be like,

1:04:09

all right, get a King shirt here. You know, there's like

1:04:11

at the gas station, you get like, you know, Stephen King

1:04:13

merch or whatever, but like, they don't do that and they

1:04:15

respect it. And like, I kind of, I

1:04:17

dig that about that. I think that was

1:04:19

the big thing that, that also spoke to

1:04:22

the small town atmosphere of just like, oh yeah, no,

1:04:24

they're, they're hipper than that. Like, they don't

1:04:26

need to do it. And well, and

1:04:28

also Bridgdon, they're, which

1:04:31

is, they get a lot of tourists that

1:04:33

come through there cause it's in the lakeside.

1:04:35

They don't do that at all there either.

1:04:37

They're very protective of him. And I feel

1:04:39

like Bangor, he can be an everyday person.

1:04:41

I mean, to an extent, like people don't

1:04:44

bother him. I've met people who would

1:04:46

drive by his house every day as kids to, you know,

1:04:48

go to piano lessons and you'd see him at the supermarket.

1:04:50

And it was just, no, it was just Stephen and Tabitha.

1:04:52

Like, it was like, they were, and

1:04:54

I just, huge amount of respect, yeah, for

1:04:56

that. And it's very different from a lot

1:04:58

of Los Angeles, for instance. Oh yeah,

1:05:00

yeah. Yeah, so Bangor, yeah, so

1:05:03

I'm excited. Like I'm excited going to Bangor

1:05:05

this weekend. And then

1:05:08

going south, okay, so on

1:05:10

the list, Buxton. So

1:05:12

there is a farm down

1:05:14

there called Snell's, I call

1:05:16

it Snell's, but I think the full thing is

1:05:19

Snell's family farm or something. And they, it's where

1:05:21

I get my flowers, like every spring to hang

1:05:23

on the porch. And it's where I'll go like

1:05:25

apple picking this year, raspberry picking. And

1:05:28

they're just the nicest bunch of people you could ever

1:05:30

hope to meet. And they have the best produce and

1:05:33

they're awesome. And it

1:05:35

just so happens that down

1:05:37

and around the way is the field

1:05:39

where Andy left, read the letter.

1:05:44

And it turns out a

1:05:46

lot of people know that and they like go

1:05:48

and they look for the field. And I didn't

1:05:50

know that. Like, I mean, I didn't think it

1:05:52

was my secret or anything like that, but more

1:05:54

people than I thought knew about it. But it's

1:05:56

not like a thing thing, but it's just, you

1:05:59

know, this is the

1:08:00

real life Rosies, I don't

1:08:03

think there were any booths there, but there

1:08:05

are booths in the book. So, okay, you

1:08:07

know, but it's, but the red, the seats

1:08:09

and you sit around, you know, the counter

1:08:11

and, uh, and the menu and all

1:08:13

that. And he, I mean, they have their house down there. So definitely.

1:08:17

That's the one book. That's one of the ones I

1:08:19

need to read. Although I hear that based

1:08:22

on our episode, there was a lot of pound cake

1:08:24

and smut in it. So I hear that it's a

1:08:26

very sexual book. So it was like, Bag of Bones.

1:08:28

That's all I know about it. That's like the reputation

1:08:30

I know about that book. Yes. So

1:08:32

sadly, I don't know too much about it, unfortunately,

1:08:34

but I have my catching up to do because

1:08:36

we've, we've definitely, some of us have skipped books

1:08:38

in here and there. And that was one, but

1:08:40

the, all I remember hearing is just everyone joking

1:08:43

about, Oh my God, there's so much sex in

1:08:45

this book. It's unreal. There's a, there's

1:08:47

a lot of like, it's a lot

1:08:49

more active in that way than I think. Yeah.

1:08:51

Some of the others, but, um, but the, but

1:08:53

the village scene is PG rated. I mean, he

1:08:57

said ill tempered fuck. Okay. So he

1:08:59

does, he does know that's who the

1:09:01

line cook guy, whatever the greasy burger

1:09:03

man is. When you close your eyes

1:09:05

now, do you just see like Stephen King text?

1:09:08

Because you must've gone

1:09:10

back and forth between the texts like so

1:09:12

much during this. I did.

1:09:14

So here's the thing. I'm working on my second

1:09:17

book and then I'm starting to think about, I'm

1:09:19

starting to research my third one. And the third

1:09:21

one is Stephen King related, but I can't tell

1:09:23

you what it's. It's totally cool.

1:09:25

Yeah. Yeah. So the second

1:09:28

one is, is true crime.

1:09:30

But I want to say that, okay, in

1:09:33

a million years, I never would have thought I

1:09:35

would ever have done anything true crime. This was

1:09:37

something that the publisher suggested and

1:09:40

I am working with the family and I'm trying

1:09:42

to approach it as ethically as possible and donating

1:09:44

a percentage of proceeds to seasons of justice, which

1:09:47

works with families to help raise funding

1:09:49

for DNA testing and billboards. And so my

1:09:52

head is completely like between

1:09:55

the King and that. Yeah.

1:09:57

It's like those, those are my two worlds.

1:10:00

Yeah, so. That's incredible.

1:10:03

I just, the amount of, I, do you

1:10:05

have a photographic memory? Or is that, because

1:10:08

a Caffrey who's Dan Caffrey is our cohost. He certainly does.

1:10:10

Because he does, sometimes he doesn't even have to read the

1:10:12

book when he goes into these book episodes. Like, I read it

1:10:14

in like 2004. I'm like, what? That was

1:10:16

20 years ago. And then he'll be like, that's fine.

1:10:18

He just has it. But I, because to do this,

1:10:20

I imagine like the details to pull out, like

1:10:22

it just been like, oh my God, like, how do you remember all this? It's crazy. I

1:10:25

have shelves. I have a lot of

1:10:27

shelves. And I have like one of those systems where

1:10:29

you like, it's like in one of the libraries where

1:10:31

I forget what it's called, but like you have the

1:10:33

shelf and you roll it. And so it goes like

1:10:35

back. And anyway, I think that's kind of what it

1:10:37

is. And I cram as much as I can in there. So

1:10:40

I just throw one back and pull one forward.

1:10:42

And I mean, but like before talking to you,

1:10:44

I mean, yeah, I mean, I looked at a

1:10:46

couple of the books again and, you know, because

1:10:49

I was like, wait, did I have that right?

1:10:51

Because I get, I'm like the worst

1:10:53

person ever. If you're, if the irony is if you're

1:10:55

going on a trip. No,

1:10:57

I'm pretty sure it's a right Sharon. Oh, no,

1:10:59

no, it's a left. It's a left. And then

1:11:01

we wait 10 minutes because I was like, yeah.

1:11:04

Oh, yeah. Well, the

1:11:06

last piece of this I wanted to mention was

1:11:08

said you mentioned you love Taylor Swift in the

1:11:10

book. And I'm wearing I'm

1:11:13

wearing my 1989 sweater. We

1:11:16

are a Swiftie household, especially my fiancee.

1:11:18

Sammy's obsessed. Did you

1:11:20

what's your go to album for

1:11:22

Taylor Swift? It's a hard question.

1:11:24

Sorry. 1989 and midnights.

1:11:28

Yeah, same. Yeah, I love those.

1:11:30

I am loving some stuff on

1:11:32

on the poets. Yeah, I get it's

1:11:34

slower. Like

1:11:37

it's a it's a slower burn or whatever

1:11:39

for me, but I just she's amazing. I

1:11:43

love I love her pop. That's like when it

1:11:45

gets into like like the catchy the hooks of

1:11:47

1989's with Gaby in because I that album. Oh

1:11:49

my God. But yeah. And then when Midnight's

1:11:51

came out, it was kind of like, oh my

1:11:53

gosh, like, yes, you're back with this. Like, I

1:11:55

love it. So but also speak now.

1:11:57

I'm just going to be honest. That's great.

1:11:59

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Are

1:12:02

you, have you seen the air story yet? No.

1:12:06

Have you watched the movie? Okay.

1:12:08

It's worth it. The film is

1:12:10

fun. It's, it's a

1:12:13

great experience. Would you have a favorite lyric? I

1:12:15

know you, you said that you were into the lyrics. Is there

1:12:17

any one that you just, that comes to mind? I'm

1:12:20

putting you on this spot. I'm sorry. I mean,

1:12:22

I left the typewriter at, you left your

1:12:25

typewriter at my house. I kept listening to

1:12:27

that song, but honestly, okay. So that shake

1:12:29

it off song, like, this is not like

1:12:31

amazing lyrics, but I just keep going back

1:12:33

to like, no, but no, I mean, Archer,

1:12:35

but also Marjorie. But no, I just, I

1:12:38

really bad. See, that's why I'm bad. I'm

1:12:40

the word. You never want me on your

1:12:42

trivia and your music trivia team ever in

1:12:44

a million years because I'm the worst. I'll

1:12:46

be like, I have no idea. I

1:12:50

don't know names of songs, but like all

1:12:52

I can tell you is that most of

1:12:54

my like playlists are Taylor Swift. Yeah. No.

1:12:56

Hey, that's, that's what it is here. It's it's

1:12:59

every day. It's every like literally when the album

1:13:01

dropped, Sammy went into the other room and was like

1:13:03

writing down all the notes and the stuff. And she's,

1:13:05

so we live it, but I'm the same way. It's like,

1:13:08

if you got in my head, I was like, even

1:13:10

with my favorite band, the replacement, so it'll be like,

1:13:12

I get someone throw me a lyric and I'll be like, that

1:13:15

is replacements, but I don't know the song. And it's like one,

1:13:17

there'll be like my favorite song or whatever. I just, it's hard

1:13:19

for me to weigh in on it. The

1:13:21

thing I can tell you about Taylor Swift is

1:13:24

there have been some dark days with this true

1:13:26

crime book in a way that I never experienced

1:13:28

with the Stephen King. And I won't do another

1:13:30

one. It was the family is extraordinary. And I'm

1:13:33

again, I use the word privilege, but I'm pretty I feel

1:13:35

privileged to be able to like write this. I

1:13:38

listened to a lot of Taylor Swift to kind of

1:13:40

even it out and bring me back. And I'll go,

1:13:42

I'll just have to like go out for a walk

1:13:44

or like paint my nails, a

1:13:47

bumble, you know, a bubble gum color

1:13:49

or something. But like just, yeah, going out for

1:13:51

a walk, listening to Taylor Swift. Yeah.

1:13:54

It's a good release. Yeah. Yeah. And

1:13:58

her love of her fans and how she. how

1:14:02

she acts towards people, I'm just, thank you.

1:14:06

Thank you for doing such a class act. Yeah.

1:14:09

Yeah. It's very, it's just learning

1:14:11

more and more about her because Sami will just

1:14:13

fill me in with everything. She,

1:14:15

it's unreal. I mean, especially even just

1:14:18

down to like the detail, how detail

1:14:20

oriented she is in her

1:14:22

own work, but then also just in her own life.

1:14:24

Like it's very, it's astonishing. And

1:14:26

I think like for us with our podcast,

1:14:28

we're always so big on like going after

1:14:30

populist figures. Like we've done something for Steven,

1:14:33

obviously with Steven King and these

1:14:35

icons. And like now we're going to be going into like, I'm going

1:14:37

to go into like Clint Eastwood and stuff. But I think

1:14:39

what I love about these icons

1:14:41

is just, there are icons

1:14:43

for a reason. And the minute you get into the

1:14:45

minutia of it, you realize why. And even

1:14:47

just hearing, you know, piecemeal stuff about

1:14:49

Swift, I'm just like, yep, I get it.

1:14:52

I totally get it. I get it. I get,

1:14:54

I get why she's the biggest in the world right now.

1:14:57

And I think for me, I think

1:14:59

the things about Taylor Swift and Steven King are they

1:15:02

treat people the way they would want to

1:15:04

be treated. And they give

1:15:06

so much and they don't want any

1:15:09

attention for it. They do it because they're good

1:15:11

human beings and they give to things

1:15:14

they genuinely care about. And

1:15:16

she's a reader. Yeah, she is a

1:15:19

voracious reader. Yeah. And

1:15:21

I love that. I love in this

1:15:23

day and age when people have respect

1:15:25

for the written word, I

1:15:27

would love to see her promote libraries. So if

1:15:30

Taylor Swift ever listens to your podcast and she

1:15:32

please do something for libraries, she's done a lot

1:15:34

for cats and I'm so grateful. But

1:15:36

they're just good people. And I want all

1:15:39

the success in the world for them. Yeah.

1:15:42

I feel about it. Well, you're a

1:15:44

good person and I want all the success for you

1:15:46

too. Sharon, thank you so much

1:15:48

for talking to me for the

1:15:50

last hour. We did it a little over

1:15:52

an hour. So no three hour episode, thank

1:15:54

God, because I feel bad for anyone who

1:15:56

has or has to endure that with us.

1:15:59

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1:17:57

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1:17:59

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