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Two Thousand Twenty Four my

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us to now in the heartland

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3:25

as on the program

3:28

today Marone Rapaport, editor

3:30

of Local Call and

3:32

writer at Nine Seven

3:35

Two Magazine on this

3:37

blockbusters story of Israel

3:40

surveilling. The

3:42

International Criminal Court. Meanwhile,

3:47

Bidens illegal immigrant asylum. Executive

3:49

order is issued. A

3:52

border is effectively shut down.

3:58

New York Times reports that

4:00

is, they ran a covert

4:03

this info campaign to sway

4:05

us elected democrats, particularly. Flat

4:09

demichelis. Shaw's

4:12

The Ultra Orthodox Party or.

4:15

In the Netanyahu coalition announces

4:17

support for a ceasefire. And

4:22

he came wins in New Jersey primary.

4:25

Uncommitted gets over nine percent

4:28

of the vote New Mexico

4:30

over eight percent in New

4:32

Jersey. Modi

4:34

cries betrayal as his party.

4:38

Just misses a majority and has

4:40

to form a coalition government. Three

4:44

Trump aides and attorneys charged

4:46

in Wisconsin over a nother

4:48

fake a Less Tour scheme.

4:53

Dutch humor to deploy wedge votes

4:56

in the Sat at starting with

4:58

today with a prison procedural vote

5:00

on the rights to contraception. oh.

5:04

Yes, we are still talking about

5:06

the right to contraception in this

5:09

country. Eighty

5:11

more Starbucks stores file for unionization

5:13

in the Amazon. Labor Union and

5:15

The Teamsters. Announce

5:18

an affiliation agreement members to vote

5:20

on that soon. Eric

5:23

Adams. Mayor

5:25

of New York also

5:28

serve under investigation by

5:30

the cops. Oddly decides

5:32

to spend hundreds of

5:34

millions of dollars on

5:36

a cop city in

5:38

Queens. This after slashing

5:40

all sorts of services

5:43

including the library. Firefly

5:47

a new study. Earth

5:49

is warming at a

5:51

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5:53

can't even explain with

5:55

their models of global

5:57

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6:00

And more. On

6:02

today's majority report, welcome ladies and

6:04

gentlemen it is. I'm stay on

6:06

day. That's right I sorted thought

6:08

that it was hump day I

6:10

think like on Monday I thought

6:12

it was Wednesday and and say

6:14

I thought it was hung out

6:16

with I think we were all

6:18

thrown off by the ass. Three

6:21

day weekend prior of yes we

6:23

can see me can chalk it

6:25

up or even smirk mercury been

6:27

in retrograde. At. Worst winters. I

6:29

mean, if he could be the combination of

6:31

both. Nevertheless, it

6:33

is in fact now actually

6:35

Humpday. Ah, we got a

6:38

lot to get to as you just

6:40

say that we were. I recorded this

6:42

interview with Marone Rappaport on Friday of

6:44

last week. And.

6:46

Of course of there was a

6:49

big news on Friday. That.

6:51

Dumb. We. Have our first

6:53

the a former president as a convicted felon. Ah

6:56

so that thing off ceilings and

6:58

shackles. minutes and reckon I got

7:00

over the pool exactly? You know,

7:03

It's always important to be a superlative. A

7:06

the and so we held this

7:08

in part because obviously we want

7:11

to cover that but also this

7:13

is story that of. Completely.

7:15

Seem to have gone under the radar because

7:17

I think it to a large extent. A

7:20

There's a lot people don't want to talk about it.

7:23

Because. And you know if

7:25

you combine what we now know about. Israel's.

7:28

Assault on The I See see

7:30

Secret Assault. The. Guardian had

7:32

a set of pieces Marone Rappaport

7:34

had a year and on call

7:36

and Nine Seven, Two Mag. Had.

7:39

A like it sort of. Concurrent. Reporting

7:41

are around this. Ah,

7:44

I'm. And now this

7:46

a. Huge story is that

7:48

the New York Times is broken. About.

7:52

Israel. Deploying. Ai

7:56

bots. Basically.

7:59

to I don't

8:01

know. I mean convince people like

8:04

Hakeem Jeffries, Richie

8:06

Torres, that their

8:10

constituents really want them to

8:12

be supportive of Israel. Probably

8:15

only need the old chat GPT for Richie Torres.

8:17

Well, that's the thing, is that you got to

8:20

wonder if, like, Richie Torres is going like, oh,

8:22

wait a second. I

8:24

was getting such good feedback. No, all of

8:26

a sudden. But we'll talk more about that.

8:28

I mean, honestly, right? Yes. And well, I

8:31

mean, it's just... In that office, he's like, I've gone

8:33

out on a limb. That's because I thought I had so

8:35

much support from Twitter. She,

8:37

uh, this, it should be getting

8:39

more attention, as you say, because

8:41

this was basically the accusation and

8:44

like the valid accusations leveled at

8:46

Russia for their level of interference

8:48

in the 2016 election where they were, you

8:51

know, paying for bots. They

8:53

were engaging in disinformation. Israel is

8:55

doing that. And I don't

8:57

know if it's if the scale is

8:59

greater or less or equivalent, but still

9:02

should be more of a story. Yep. And

9:07

we'll talk a little bit more about that

9:09

later in the program. But

9:12

this Moron Rappaport, like I said,

9:15

we recorded on Friday and we're

9:17

going to play in

9:19

a moment. But first, and what

9:21

did I do now with my sound sheet?

9:25

I lost my

9:27

sound sheet already. Do you want me to

9:29

stop here? Well, yeah, here's

9:31

the first. I know the

9:33

first clip. Joe

9:37

Biden has announced his executive order.

9:39

The gist of it is that

9:43

when border

9:45

crossings, legal ones,

9:48

incidentally, where

9:51

asylum seekers come to the border And

9:53

seek a refuge in this country.

9:56

And if those numbers are over

9:58

twenty five hundred. Ah

10:01

of in any given week. Then

10:04

the President has the authority according

10:06

to this executive order. Of

10:09

shutting the border down. And. Then

10:11

once he or she does,

10:16

The border To be reopened until

10:19

there is seven contiguous days in

10:21

which the number of people applying

10:23

at the border I saying showing

10:25

up at the border is fifteen

10:27

hundred. Ah or less now.

10:30

This is very similar to

10:32

something that Donald Trump did

10:34

during his administration and was

10:36

rejected by the courts. Be.

10:39

A C L u has already come out

10:41

and or said they're going to challenge this.

10:44

I hope they when it's disgusting. It

10:47

isn't it, is. Contrary.

10:50

To Us law, it

10:52

is contrary to. A

10:54

International law I think the Un is already

10:56

waiting on this and said doug, this is.

11:00

Illegal. Arm. Once

11:02

you step. Foot in.

11:04

The United States. And

11:06

seek asylum. You. Are

11:09

do a process in which to

11:11

determine whether you qualify for that

11:13

asylum, asylum or not. And.

11:17

He really is a. Horrific.

11:20

And In In does is all

11:23

about politics. Yes, I soon. So

11:25

woman has a. Border apprehensions or

11:27

down sixty percent since December. So

11:29

if this were actually about any

11:31

crisis as opposed to say Trine

11:33

is give himself what he perceived

11:35

as a political victory. Before the L

11:38

A debate in a few weeks, he's gonna

11:40

want to have something to say that Trump

11:42

when he talked about the border. I mean.

11:45

There's. Really no evidence to suggest that

11:47

it's because of some massive surge this

11:49

out of control. Arm

11:51

He I mean it. it is

11:53

easy way. Well. Let's

11:56

listen to a Joe Biden First, I

11:59

believe immigration there's always found a

12:01

life full of America. We're constantly

12:03

renewed by a of people who

12:06

isn't and new talent. A Statue

12:08

of Liberty is awesome relic of

12:10

American history. The stands for who

12:12

we are United States so I

12:15

was never demonize immigrants how never

12:17

referred emigrants has appointed in the

12:19

blood of a country and further

12:22

on never separate children from their

12:24

families and support our band people

12:26

whose country because of a religious

12:28

beliefs on I. Use Us military

12:31

to go to neighborhoods all across

12:33

the country for millions of people

12:35

out of their homes and voicing

12:37

their families to put detention camps.

12:39

know where My way to deportation

12:41

as my predecessor says he will

12:44

do if he kills occupies is

12:46

off to get my for very

12:48

first as president. Final used to

12:50

comprehensive immigration reform plan six to

12:52

fix a broken system, secure our

12:54

borders, provide a pathway to citizenship

12:56

for dreamers a lot more. I'm

12:59

still fighting against. Had done almost

13:01

faces and he served to protect

13:03

America as a land of welcomes.

13:05

Immigrants must first secure the border.

13:07

insecure it. Now the simple truth

13:09

is there is a worldwide migrant

13:11

crisis and two nice days and

13:14

secure our border is no limits.

13:16

A number of people may try

13:18

to come here because there's no

13:20

better place in the plans and

13:22

nine states of America for those.

13:24

The same steps are taken are

13:26

too strict. I said use it.

13:29

can't be patient. And good

13:31

will American people run a worker and

13:33

wearing thin right now three nothing is

13:36

not an option. We have to act

13:38

must act consistent with of our lawn.

13:40

Our values are values America. I.

13:43

Mean. Let's

13:46

just for a moment, I can. Give.

13:49

Give it a Joe Biden The benefit

13:51

of doubt hear that this is a

13:53

measure in which. You. Know,

13:56

be patient. This. is

13:58

a measure which is aimed towards,

14:00

you know, the American public's

14:04

patience is running out, and

14:06

this is a measure that's

14:08

going to assuage that fear

14:12

and deal

14:14

with this problem so that Americans can rationally

14:17

deal with it. This

14:20

is a fundamental misunderstanding of what's

14:22

going on and

14:24

a total act of

14:26

cowardice. This

14:29

will not change the

14:31

polling on immigration one single

14:33

iota. It

14:37

will not change. It will

14:40

not get Joe Biden higher marks on

14:42

immigration. None of it.

14:44

None of that will happen. And

14:47

they will continue and they will, the

14:50

Republicans will continue to say the exact

14:52

same thing yesterday as

14:54

they do tomorrow. This

14:58

is a, if you, and

15:01

I don't even think it's necessarily something

15:04

that the president had

15:06

to address, you know,

15:08

period. There are

15:10

a lot of other issues in which to address.

15:13

But the fact is, is that there was

15:15

a lot, a lot of

15:18

sympathy for immigrants during Trump's years and

15:20

it could have been built upon. Oh,

15:23

yeah. He could have,

15:25

he could, the other way to

15:28

politically address this is to actually

15:30

address the issue and

15:32

win the war of the

15:34

idea around immigration. Which

15:37

he- As opposed to ceding all the

15:39

framing to the right. It's horrible. I

15:41

think it's, whatever gains

15:44

they're hoping for in the short term

15:46

are marginal compared to the long term

15:48

damage they're doing to the

15:51

way to differentiate themselves on this

15:53

topic. Because like what he

15:55

says there, oh, I'm not going to say immigrants are

15:57

poisoning the blood of this country. Oh, that's so- lovely

16:00

you're not going to say it like something that

16:02

not these would say that great positive reflected

16:05

but i'm going to do something

16:07

very only functionally equivalent to uh... donald

16:09

trump's asylum band back when he was

16:11

in office in the same liberal i

16:14

see they're being silent cheering the sun

16:16

were protesting that

16:18

i mean that that's just like part

16:20

of the hypocrisy obviously but the other

16:22

thing that is a part of this

16:24

is that they're also going to cut

16:26

into the time frame

16:29

where migrants can consult with

16:31

an attorney uh... after

16:33

they've when they're seeking asylum

16:35

from twenty four hours which was already

16:37

insufficient before let's

16:40

not pretend that this is some way like him

16:43

approaching immigration from any

16:46

humane uh... position

16:48

point i mean there there's nothing from

16:52

an action standpoint that would back up

16:54

his claim that he's being humane in

16:56

any way or honoring the spirit of the statue of

16:58

liberty here

17:00

is uh... representative illhan omar

17:04

uh... speaking out against this executive

17:06

action and uh... one

17:10

can only hope that the you know it well but

17:12

let's listen to what she says and then we'll talk

17:14

about the a c l u i

17:17

share your your heartbreak and

17:19

betrayal uh... you

17:22

know i love this country as many

17:24

immigrants who do get the opportunity to

17:26

become to this country do the

17:29

united states has been a

17:31

beacon of hope for those fleeing

17:33

persecution violence and oppression

17:37

today's executive order

17:39

undermines that legacy not

17:42

only is this order and betrayal

17:44

of the principle upon which

17:46

which this nation is was built

17:49

it's life in the face of

17:51

basic morality speaking asylum

17:54

is a fundamental human right

17:56

is trying to both in

17:58

american and international the law. If

18:01

the Biden administration is serious about

18:03

addressing the border crisis, the way

18:05

to do that is to create

18:08

more and quicker

18:10

legal pathways not to put

18:13

asylum laws to the side.

18:16

We have to remember that the

18:18

victims of this policy will be

18:20

the innocent. I

18:23

want to center what it truly

18:25

means for people

18:27

fleeing unthinkable situations.

18:30

I am today thinking about the mothers

18:32

fleeing her home in

18:35

Central America who has two

18:37

children escaping brutal violence. I'm

18:40

thinking about the father who

18:43

made the atrocious

18:46

journey from Cameroon because his

18:48

only choice was to face

18:51

the constant threats of

18:53

death and make the journey. I'm

18:56

thinking about the teenager whose

18:59

community has been destroyed by climate crisis

19:01

who knows her only chance of a

19:03

better life will be

19:05

found in the

19:08

United States. She

19:11

understands this obviously as somebody who

19:14

was a refugee and came to

19:16

this country fleeing political

19:19

violence. Yeah

19:21

good for Kasara and Ayanna Pressley

19:23

and also Julian Castro hitting

19:26

Biden on this too. There

19:29

are a couple of exceptions which I also

19:31

think are going to end up creating more

19:37

tragedy frankly. Unaccompanied

19:40

children, some victims

19:42

of trafficking and migrants facing

19:44

acute medical emergencies are imminent threats to

19:46

their safety. Now I don't know how

19:48

you assessed imminent threats to their safety

19:51

when you have four hours to get to

19:53

an attorney before they boot you out of the

19:55

country but if

19:59

I'm showing up at the border and I'm afraid

20:01

of my children because

20:04

of whatever

20:07

it is in the Honduras

20:09

gangs or drug

20:12

trafficking in Mexico or whatever

20:14

it is that has caused

20:17

or I can't feed my children. What

20:20

I'm going to do is I'm going to

20:22

make them unaccompanied children with the hopes

20:24

that they end up getting reaching

20:28

their cousins or their relatives in the

20:30

United States. So we're going to end

20:32

up seeing a surge

20:34

of unaccompanied children at the

20:37

border because of this exception here. Because

20:42

the administration doesn't want to be seen as heartless

20:45

to children as opposed to heartless

20:47

to their parents as well. My

20:51

hope is

20:55

that the ACLU and

20:57

who announced immediately that they were going to challenge it

21:02

will prevent this, I mean,

21:06

be able to enjoin it. I don't

21:08

know how quickly they can do that,

21:10

but what's really sort of like upsetting

21:12

about this is that

21:14

the Biden administration has been very

21:19

meticulous in attempting to avoid

21:21

in certain instances running

21:23

afoul of the courts. And

21:27

here the speed in which they have deployed this without

21:36

allowing the courts any time to stop it just

21:38

seems, I

21:41

don't know, it's just horrible. It's just

21:43

I think it's bad politics. I

21:45

think so too. I mean, the whole it, this

21:49

is another example outside of

21:52

Israel where the Biden administration

21:54

is knowingly and actively flouting

21:56

international law when they

21:58

came into office on this. promise that they

22:01

restore respectability and a

22:03

rules-based international order.

22:05

Asylum is asylum

22:08

rights are international law and it's also domestic

22:10

US law. So I

22:12

hope the ACLU is successful, but just

22:14

from a political perspective, Biden trying to

22:16

be like the good guy in contrast

22:18

to Trump. I'm not sure how many

22:20

people care about this, but for

22:22

me, I think it's just, it's

22:24

bad politics in terms of undercutting what the

22:27

coalitions and the image are trying to

22:29

portray. Yep. All

22:31

right. We're going to take a break in

22:34

just a moment and we will be

22:38

back with Moron Rapoport, editor

22:42

of Local Call and writer at 972 magazine.

22:46

We spoke to him, I think he was in Jerusalem,

22:49

was he Bradley? He

22:52

lives in Tel Aviv, but I don't know if he was. I

22:55

assume he was in Tel Aviv. Yeah, from

22:57

Tel Aviv about this

22:59

story. Reporting

23:02

both in 972 mag and on

23:05

call and in the Guardian regarding

23:07

the Israeli sort of

23:09

covert assault on the

23:11

ICC over the past decade. We'll

23:15

talk more about that in a moment. When

23:22

you go to the bathroom, you close the

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door, don't you? Because you want your privacy. You

23:27

don't want random passerby's looking in. I

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don't know what random passerby's. Unless that's

23:31

what you're into. Unless that's

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what you're into. Don't yuck anybody's yuck. Exactly.

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23:41

the internet without ExpressVPN is like going

23:43

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23:45

not closing the door and not getting

23:47

any kink value out of it. It

24:00

doesn't matter. I mean, I particularly am

24:02

very careful when I'm out and

24:04

about and particularly like I

24:08

get very nervous about any type of public Wi-Fi, but

24:10

even when I'm home, I

24:12

never go online without using ExpressVPN

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28:46

Rappaport editor of local call and

28:48

writer at 972 magazine we

28:59

are back Sam cedar on the

29:01

majority report it is a pleasure

29:03

to welcome back to the program

29:05

Marone Rappaport editor at

29:07

local call and a writer at 972

29:10

magazine Marone welcome back

29:15

thank you for having me the last time

29:17

we spoke I think was probably at the

29:21

sometime around this now

29:23

last year when you

29:25

were reporting on

29:28

the the massive protests about the

29:32

the attempt by the Netanyahu government

29:34

to so-called reform

29:36

essentially the laws

29:38

regarding your Supreme

29:41

Court in Israel things

29:43

have obviously are very different now

29:45

and and I'd

29:48

like to talk about that but first obviously we

29:51

want to talk about this amazing

29:53

reporting that you

29:57

participated in as

30:00

both editor at Local Call and

30:02

a writer at 972 Magazine. Also,

30:05

The Guardian was reporting on this.

30:09

And I want to just start before we go

30:11

into the details of this story. It

30:14

was just revealed yesterday by,

30:18

his name I think is Gur Migido,

30:22

who is a writer at Heretz, that

30:24

Heretz had at least parts of

30:27

this story that they were reporting

30:29

back in 2022. And

30:33

he was brought in

30:35

by Israeli authorities as

30:39

they're investigating this attempt by Israel

30:43

to blackmail the then

30:45

ICC prosecutor in addition to all the

30:47

surveillance, and we'll talk about that. But

30:51

he was brought in and

30:55

essentially told if

30:58

you publish the story, I'm just gonna

31:00

read from this. When

31:02

he wanted to publish the story, he

31:05

got a phone call from the senior

31:08

security official from Israel, can you come

31:10

in and see me tomorrow? The

31:13

conversation began with words he writes

31:15

later, we understand you know about

31:17

the prosecutor referring to the ICC

31:19

prosecutor. And Migido

31:22

writes, it was a polite conversation, a

31:24

polite threat. I was explained that if

31:26

I published the story, I would suffer

31:28

the consequences and get to know the

31:31

interrogation rooms of the Israeli security authorities

31:33

from the inside. In

31:35

the end, it was made clear to me that

31:37

even sharing the information quote with my friends abroad,

31:39

referring to foreign media outlets, would

31:41

lead to the same results. And

31:44

so I just wanna start by saying, not

31:47

only congratulations, but to

31:49

make it clear how much is

31:52

at stake in your reporting of this.

31:55

Were you aware that the Heretz writer... had

32:00

gone through this process? No,

32:03

we didn't. We didn't know that. We

32:06

knew that Megiddo Goh

32:08

did publish a

32:11

report about Yossi Cohen, the former

32:13

head of the Mossad. He was

32:16

head of the Mossad at that

32:18

time, that he had strange visits

32:21

in Congo, in

32:23

the Democratic Republic of

32:25

Congo, and something had to do

32:27

with the former president

32:30

of Congo, Joseph

32:33

Kabila, and that

32:35

he was later deported

32:38

almost from Congo. We

32:41

knew that, and we had a

32:44

hint that

32:47

it was related to the prosecutor

32:50

issue, but we didn't know more

32:53

than that. We certainly didn't know

32:55

that he was threatened in this

32:57

way by the Israeli authorities. Have

33:00

you received, prior to

33:03

publishing this or in the course of the

33:05

reporting, have you received threats from

33:08

the Israeli authorities? Because I have to say, and

33:10

we'll talk about this in a moment, the nature

33:12

of the threats to

33:14

the ICC prosecutor, the former

33:17

ICC chief prosecutor, these

33:20

were not sort

33:22

of official threats, as

33:24

it were. These were threats

33:27

of blackmail and extortion and

33:31

sort of extra,

33:34

I mean, outside the law,

33:36

essentially. I don't know how else to articulate

33:38

that. Yes,

33:41

that's the way it

33:43

seems. First,

33:45

I have to make it

33:48

clear. We did an

33:51

investigation for several months.

33:53

Together, we, I'm talking local

33:55

call in 972 with

33:58

a guardian and sheriff. joint

34:01

investigation with the Guardian regarding

34:05

what we call the almost

34:07

10 years war, secret

34:09

war of Israel against

34:11

the ICC, against the

34:13

International Criminal Court in

34:16

the Hague, surveillance

34:20

by the Israeli army and

34:22

other intelligence

34:25

agencies. While

34:28

we were investigating this,

34:30

the Guardian has

34:32

come out with this own

34:35

report about the whole

34:37

Yossi Cohen affair and

34:40

really this incredible, incredible

34:43

story about how he

34:45

threatened personally and

34:47

what seems, according to

34:49

this report, as

34:52

a director blackmailed, trying

34:55

to blackmail Ben-Souda, the

34:57

former prosecutor

34:59

in the Hague, Thakub Ben-Souda.

35:04

Yes, but so in

35:06

this I cannot, I

35:09

don't know much more than

35:11

was written by the report

35:14

in the Guardian. Of course, I

35:17

know the reporter, I personally,

35:20

I trust him totally,

35:23

he's super reliable,

35:28

but I don't know too much. Yes,

35:32

what is described, I think

35:34

it is hard to describe

35:36

it, otherwise

35:39

then entering and threatening.

35:44

Okay, so let's step

35:47

back for a moment and talk

35:50

about what you have

35:52

reported, which essentially

35:55

starts with for nearly a

35:57

decade, Israel's been surveilling

36:00

senior international criminal court officials

36:02

at The Hague, Palestinian

36:04

human rights workers as

36:07

well, and other UN

36:10

officials, anybody

36:13

who might be in

36:15

any way participating

36:18

in the recording

36:21

or the noting of

36:24

human rights violations by

36:26

Israel, military

36:30

and officials perpetrated

36:33

upon Palestinians in the West

36:35

Bank and presumably in Gaza

36:37

and within Israel proper. What

36:42

was the nature of at first the

36:45

surveillance and who

36:47

authorized this surveillance and for

36:50

what purpose? As

36:53

far as we know, it

36:55

came directly from Prime Minister

36:58

Netanyahu. Netanyahu was very worried

37:00

and in our report we

37:02

say he was obsessed by

37:05

the procedures in the

37:08

ICC from

37:11

the very beginning. What happened

37:13

is that Palestine was accepted

37:16

as a member of the ICC in 2015,

37:18

right after it

37:22

was accepted as a member of

37:25

the UN General

37:28

Assembly. It

37:30

was accepted as a member of the ICC. It

37:34

signed a Rome statute. And

37:37

then right afterwards the

37:40

PA, the Palestinian Authority, filed a

37:42

complaint to the ICC

37:45

about alleged war crimes committed by

37:48

Israel in the West Bank and

37:50

Gaza. And

37:53

the prosecutor, the then prosecutor

37:55

Fatou Ben-Souda, opened

37:58

a preliminary in the

38:00

investigation at that stage. From

38:02

that moment on, as

38:05

we reported, Netanyahu was

38:08

obsessed with this investigation

38:12

and he first of all set some

38:15

kind of a special team

38:18

composed of many

38:22

intelligence agencies from

38:24

the army intelligence, A200

38:27

and the Mossad

38:30

and Shabbat, all

38:33

in concerted effort

38:36

to, let's

38:40

say, to surveil,

38:42

if I will put it in the

38:45

most, but in

38:47

the words authorized by the Israeli

38:49

censorship to

38:52

surveil anything that

38:54

has to do with the ICC.

38:57

It means officials

39:00

of the ICC like

39:02

Ben-Suda and others and

39:05

then afterwards the

39:07

current prosecutor, Karim Khan,

39:11

and the Palestinian,

39:14

the Palestinian who communicated

39:16

with them, meaning

39:20

the human rights activists

39:24

and officials of the

39:26

PA who were responsible for

39:28

trying all kinds of

39:30

reports about alleged war crimes

39:34

committed by Israel in

39:36

the occupied territories. So,

39:39

that was a long

39:41

process, very detailed,

39:43

very really obsessed.

39:46

People in the army, especially

39:49

in the intelligence of

39:51

the army, felt

39:53

as they told us,

39:55

they felt quite

39:57

uncomfortable that they are being.

40:00

used the German army intelligence

40:04

meant to combat

40:08

military threats of Israel and

40:11

not political threats and

40:14

not threats of

40:17

officials being indicted

40:19

in the Hague. And

40:22

they felt unease being

40:25

used, that the technology

40:27

and the know-how was

40:30

being used for completely

40:32

political targets

40:36

instead of military ones.

40:39

Now, your reporting outlines

40:42

that the surveillance that

40:45

these various Israelis, the

40:47

spy agencies did and

40:50

intelligence agencies did was

40:53

to intercept the

40:57

charges or complaints essentially

41:00

of Israeli actions towards

41:02

Palestinians as a

41:04

way of then attempting to

41:06

meet with the ICC prosecutor.

41:10

And Israel does not acknowledge that the

41:12

ICC prosecutor has any jurisdiction or on

41:15

some level even officially

41:18

exists as a prosecutor, I

41:20

guess, as

41:24

a way of addressing

41:26

these complaints without

41:29

and simultaneously essentially pretending

41:31

that they don't know that

41:33

they exist. So offering

41:35

information as if they're just offering

41:37

information that is but

41:40

really hoping to undercut

41:43

the validity of these claims by offering

41:45

and I presume, I mean, we don't

41:48

know the exact nature of this information

41:50

that they provided to the ICC. So

41:52

we can't really judge its

41:55

validity. Is that right? Yes. There

41:58

were... I'm sorry. Two

42:00

main things. One is

42:03

really surveilling the communications

42:06

of Ben-Suda and then of

42:08

the current prosecutor Karim

42:11

Khan with

42:13

Palestinians in

42:16

the West Bank and Gaza surveilling

42:18

the communication between them, knowing

42:20

in this way, knowing what

42:25

is interesting for them. What

42:27

do they ask the Palestinian counterparty?

42:31

What

42:36

are their intentions?

42:39

This is one thing. Then, yes, as you said,

42:42

they monitored and tried to

42:45

get hold of documents

42:49

that were passed by the

42:52

Palestinian, either human rights activists

42:54

or officials

42:56

of the Palestinian Authority, with

43:00

information about alleged crimes.

43:02

Now, what

43:08

was said is that the

43:10

reason they did it is what

43:13

exists in the court, in the

43:15

ICC, there is this

43:18

rule of what is called

43:20

complementarity, meaning that if

43:22

a state does

43:24

investigate seriously alleged

43:30

crimes, then the

43:32

ICC cannot investigate

43:34

the same crime, the

43:36

same allegation. Israel,

43:40

who usually does not

43:43

investigate allegations against

43:45

its military personnel in the

43:47

West Bank and Gaza, in

43:51

this way, tried to get

43:53

all of this information and

43:56

reopen or open. Yes.

44:01

Initiate investigation that it did

44:03

not in the beginning. The

44:06

fear also was by

44:09

the ICC officials is

44:12

that in

44:14

these documents that were passed

44:17

to the ICC, there

44:19

were sometimes names of

44:22

Palestinian who complained, private

44:25

person. And there

44:27

was a concern in

44:30

the ICC and also by Palestinian

44:32

human rights activists that

44:34

once the names will be known to

44:37

the Israeli authorities, they

44:40

could be harmed or

44:42

blackmailed as we know

44:44

many times happens when Israel

44:47

is, for example, saying

44:50

to a person, if you don't give us

44:52

information, we will not give you a permit

44:55

to work in Israel or we will not

44:57

give a permit for your

45:00

mother to go to a hospital in

45:02

Israel or things

45:04

like that. So there was this fear.

45:07

We don't know if such

45:09

use, if there was, if

45:12

there was, if it was used or

45:14

abused, this information in order

45:17

to threaten Palestinian individuals, we

45:19

don't know. But the

45:21

fear was in the ICC and

45:24

in the Palestinian human rights organization

45:27

that such use will be done.

45:29

And what happens to be added

45:32

there that what we find out,

45:34

and I think this is really,

45:36

this also quite troubling, although

45:39

Israel does not recognize the

45:41

authority of the ICC, it

45:44

is not a party to their

45:46

own standing. So

45:49

it's not part of the ICC as

45:51

the US, as Russia

45:54

and China and other democracies

45:56

like the Emirates and Saudi

45:58

Arabia. other great

46:01

democracies like them.

46:03

Although it's not a

46:05

part, what we discovered

46:07

is that there were unofficial

46:10

channels in

46:13

which officials

46:18

from the Minister

46:20

of Justice and

46:23

the Ministry of Foreign

46:26

Affairs went to the Hague and

46:29

met with officials in the

46:31

ICC, presumably with

46:33

Bin Suda herself, in

46:38

order to, in

46:40

an unofficial way, to

46:42

try to persuade her that

46:45

there are no crimes being

46:47

committed and that she doesn't

46:50

have a jurisdiction. Now,

46:53

what we found out is

46:56

that these lawyers were

47:01

in possession of this

47:04

information that

47:07

was obtained

47:11

by this, I

47:13

cannot call it otherwise, illegal

47:15

surveillance on

47:18

the team of the ICC.

47:20

So there was a very

47:22

strange situation in which legal

47:24

experts went to the

47:26

Hague to discuss issues

47:29

with the ICC

47:32

officials but

47:34

having an information that

47:36

they obtained through surveillance.

47:42

So it's a

47:45

quite funny situation. Yeah, I mean

47:47

it obviously raises

47:50

some major questions about the integrity of these

47:53

legal officials who

47:55

are using extra, you know,

47:57

legal or illegal. means

48:01

in which to further their supposed

48:04

legally principled arguments. We

48:06

should also say that, as

48:08

you mentioned earlier, the

48:10

Guardian reported that the

48:14

Mossad ran a

48:16

parallel operation of surveillance that seems

48:19

to have been far more focused

48:22

on Ben Suda

48:25

and her close family as a

48:27

way of blackmail,

48:30

extortion, to

48:32

convince her not based upon

48:34

any legal principles, but rather on how

48:37

messy this will be for you and

48:39

your family if you go forward with

48:41

these things. I

48:46

want to jump forward.

48:50

When Kamir Khan announced

48:53

his seeking

48:56

of indictments,

48:59

I found that, which I

49:02

had no reason to look for

49:05

prior to this, that in

49:07

2021, when he replaced the

49:12

former chief

49:14

prosecutor, Israel

49:16

was very happy about this. And it comes

49:18

up in the context of your

49:21

reporting. They felt that, like, okay,

49:24

how much do we

49:26

have a sense as to

49:29

whether Ben

49:32

Suda, who was the then

49:34

prosecutor, whether she left any

49:38

part of her departure a function of,

49:41

like, this has become too

49:44

tenuous for me with the

49:46

sort of, like, this hanging over my

49:48

head? Now,

49:51

as far as I know, it's a ten

49:53

year of nine years. The

49:56

prosecutors are being elected for nine years.

50:00

her term. So I

50:02

don't see, I don't have

50:05

information that she left because of

50:07

that. It was known in

50:11

advance. What was

50:14

said, you know, not

50:16

officially, of course, is

50:18

that first of all, what happened

50:21

is that in 2019,

50:24

Ben Suda, as I told you, she began

50:26

her investigation in 2015 in the Palestine case.

50:32

In 2019, she arrived to

50:35

reach the conclusion that there

50:37

is a basis for an

50:40

official investigation. She finished her

50:42

preliminary investigation and decided that

50:44

there is enough evidence

50:48

for a formal investigation.

50:51

But instead of

50:54

opening this investigation, she

50:56

went to the court, to the pre-trial

51:01

court, in order for

51:05

the court to prove that it has

51:08

jurisdiction over

51:10

Palestine. This

51:14

is a legal thing, but

51:16

in Israel, we had

51:18

some sources saying that in

51:21

Israel, it was interpreted as a

51:23

success for Israel because

51:25

of this whole process that

51:27

she went for the pre-trial

51:31

asking if it has jurisdiction.

51:36

This delayed the investigation

51:38

almost a year and a half. So

51:41

in Israel, it was conceived

51:45

as a success.

51:48

Whether that has anything to do

51:51

with the pressures on

51:53

Ben Suda, we have no

51:57

idea, no Confirmation for

51:59

that. That we know that

52:01

it is radicals interpreted san

52:04

a legal experts. Interpreted.

52:06

That the as a success. Ah

52:10

I'm and in once that was

52:12

with if you could just be

52:14

a clarifies the timeline for me

52:16

once that was established had the

52:18

I see felt like we do

52:20

have jurisdiction here. Despite.

52:22

The delay. At that

52:25

point. Because. The.

52:29

Idea. Of. And. Others

52:31

had been spying on

52:33

and intercepting surveillance. To

52:36

the I see see

52:38

they knew who were.

52:40

Collecting. And. Recording.

52:43

The. Allegations.

52:47

That. Could end up being

52:49

used in prosecutions against. Israeli

52:52

authorities. And they

52:54

then. Took. That opportunity

52:56

to say that these organizations.

52:59

Ah, These and Ios

53:01

Palestinians. Were in fact

53:03

not. Ah, that

53:06

they were terrorist organizations. Ah, I'm

53:08

as a way of amid I

53:10

presume. And you tell me. Ah,

53:13

Preempting the validity of

53:16

the evidence they had

53:18

collected. Yes

53:21

it's small but also for as

53:23

as as we tried to and

53:25

who to betray very now we

53:27

both it's and on one that

53:29

suits them for the most features

53:31

that were left out. Part

53:35

of the campaign against the

53:37

arms isis he was to

53:40

the village he buys. The

53:43

Palestinian Human Rights Organization.

53:45

That. was even official or

53:48

their miniseries for a

53:50

strategic of for. Started

53:53

this work. Too. Well,

53:56

it's demise. their the

53:58

human rights organization and who

54:00

are which are

54:02

accusing Israel of committing war

54:04

crimes. So this is something that

54:06

was going on for since

54:10

at least 2017 and maybe

54:13

even before. So

54:15

in parallel to what

54:18

was going between Israel and

54:20

the ICC, between the surveillance

54:23

efforts, there was a

54:26

process in order to

54:28

delegitimize this organization. And in

54:31

October 2021, if

54:36

I'm not mistaken, the Minister

54:38

of Defense, the then Minister

54:40

of Defense Beni Gantz, declared

54:43

six human

54:46

rights organizations, including

54:49

two or three, that were very

54:51

central to the accusation

54:53

in the Hague, declared

54:56

a terrorist organization. Now

54:59

this was not, of course,

55:01

the main goal was

55:04

the same, to

55:08

fail any

55:11

process in the

55:13

ICC against Israel and Israeli

55:16

officials, but it was not

55:19

sure that it was connected directly, that we

55:21

have even sources

55:25

in the idea saying

55:28

that they were not happy with

55:31

Beni Gantz's decision, that they didn't

55:33

think that it was worthwhile

55:38

declaring this

55:40

organization terrorist organization, that the

55:43

information that was

55:45

at the basis of

55:47

declaring them terrorist organization

55:50

that was obtained by the Iraq was

55:53

not strong. And

55:57

as You know, at that

55:59

time, It was how that that

56:01

they were pegasus. Am.

56:04

I. Were On! I'm

56:06

off the owns of the solar

56:09

phones. Of officials in

56:11

his organization. Oh

56:14

ah, it could be separate.

56:17

Operations. At the

56:19

goal was said. I'm.

56:22

So. Let's turn to I'm curious.

56:24

I mean, this is. The

56:28

all of this would

56:30

suggest that there was

56:32

a real concern by

56:34

Netanyahu and I imagine

56:36

other you know Israeli

56:38

authorities. That. Over the

56:40

course of at least a decade

56:42

that the I see see would

56:44

take the action essentially that they.

56:48

Have taken now as as

56:50

they could continue to take

56:52

a moment. Ah, With.

56:55

How has the. Potential.

56:58

For criminal indictments.

57:00

Ah, Against. Netanyahu,

57:04

and. A

57:07

lot I guess it is. How.

57:09

That been. Ah, how is he

57:12

is really low low Public reacted

57:14

to that. Was

57:18

Ah. You

57:21

know when of him

57:23

some declared. As

57:25

that he is going to

57:27

the codes asking. For

57:31

the code to issue the service

57:33

one. On. It and the

57:35

owl and gallant I would say. That's.

57:38

The Burrow: Huge majority

57:40

of us a consensus.

57:42

In the Jewish is where the. As.

57:45

Society parties the

57:48

press was was

57:50

was furious. With

57:53

feared saying this is an

57:55

anti semitic move. Ah

57:57

that is compared because he.

58:00

As you know, there were

58:02

arrest warrants against Yeehay Sinhwaal

58:04

and Mohammed Deyf, leaders

58:06

of Hamas, who were responsible for

58:09

the atrocious attack of Hamas on October 7,

58:11

2023. So,

58:15

as if they are comparing

58:19

Netanyahu to Sinhwaal, they

58:21

were furious. So,

58:24

in this respect, this

58:27

operation that we are

58:29

discussing, in

58:31

itself maybe most of the

58:34

Israeli society, maybe

58:36

except because

58:38

if this court is doing these

58:41

horrible things, like issuing arrest

58:43

for our prime minister,

58:45

then maybe this

58:48

operation was needed. But

58:55

I would say that there

58:58

are two levels here. One is to,

59:00

of course, the personal level. Netanyahu

59:03

feared to be indicted, as

59:05

he was indicted

59:07

at the end. Senior

59:12

military commanders

59:15

also feared that

59:17

they will be indicted, and this

59:19

was one of the reasons for

59:22

which the army was involved, the

59:24

army intelligence was involved. But

59:27

I would add another level. I think

59:29

that Israel does

59:31

understand that

59:34

this is not just a personal

59:36

issue. It's not just a personal

59:40

fate of Netanyahu or Golan or

59:43

maybe later

59:45

Gans. So, I don't know who or El

59:47

Tiyolev, the chief of staff, the current chief

59:49

of staff, we don't know. It's

59:53

much more than that because it's

59:56

once high

59:59

officials. and there

1:00:01

could be higher than Netanyahu and

1:00:04

the Defense Minister Gallant. Once

1:00:07

such higher officials are

1:00:10

indicted, it

1:00:13

sheds the light of legitimization

1:00:20

on the whole of the state of Israel,

1:00:23

of the whole of its activity. So

1:00:27

it's not just the

1:00:29

personal issue. Nobody wants

1:00:32

to be indicted. Once

1:00:35

you are indicted, there

1:00:37

are 132 states that

1:00:40

are signatories to this treaty,

1:00:42

so you cannot go there

1:00:44

to France or to Germany

1:00:47

or to South America or

1:00:49

to most of the African

1:00:51

countries. It's not

1:00:54

just the personal thing. It's the

1:00:58

situation of the state

1:01:00

of Israel. And I would

1:01:03

add another thing. I think

1:01:07

this is, of course, not something we've

1:01:09

written in the report, but this is

1:01:11

my personal take. Israel

1:01:14

knows that it is committing

1:01:21

what could amount

1:01:24

to crimes in the

1:01:26

West Bank of Gaza. It knows that. Or

1:01:30

at least it suspects that

1:01:33

this is the way that the

1:01:35

world, the

1:01:37

international law will conceive that. Maybe

1:01:39

they feel that they do it

1:01:43

for just reasons, but

1:01:45

they know. And

1:01:48

I think the

1:01:50

hysteria of

1:01:54

bringing all these

1:01:56

security intelligence agencies

1:02:00

is at the heart stands

1:02:03

this being

1:02:07

conscious that

1:02:09

we are not doing the right thing. And

1:02:14

I imagine there is a similar

1:02:17

dynamic around the

1:02:21

ICJ's investigation and

1:02:23

now essentially joining

1:02:28

or attempting to issue

1:02:31

a restraining order against Israel's

1:02:34

assault on Rafa, which

1:02:38

in my understanding is that they have now

1:02:40

brought in ground troops. Do

1:02:47

you have a sense that there is any

1:02:50

opportunity for the general sentiment in Israel to,

1:02:53

are there

1:03:03

fissures developing where you

1:03:05

might see instead of

1:03:07

just defensiveness that

1:03:09

it begins to sort of

1:03:11

change the consciousness or what? I

1:03:14

mean, this is analogous to

1:03:16

the conversation we were having about half

1:03:19

of the country protesting against

1:03:21

what Netanyahu wanted

1:03:23

to do with the judiciary. The

1:03:27

question was, was there

1:03:29

going to be an expansion of the consciousness

1:03:31

that this authoritarianism is

1:03:33

actually imported from just miles

1:03:36

away in the

1:03:38

West Bank or in Gaza and this

1:03:40

might create a broader social

1:03:42

movement? It didn't appear to the

1:03:45

extent that there was any opportunity for that to happen. Obviously,

1:03:49

that's not happening.

1:03:51

But is

1:03:54

there any sort of like – because

1:03:57

my understanding is from reading that there's not a

1:03:59

lot of – Lot of information that

1:04:01

is getting to Israelis about what's

1:04:03

happening in Gaza or at least

1:04:06

the specifics are the images or

1:04:08

you know whether. It's. Actually the

1:04:10

facts or weather's being absorbed. I know stuff. Talk

1:04:12

to people been doing reporting for the West bank

1:04:14

of they say go to tell of even know

1:04:16

when they tell stories of what they've seen. The

1:04:18

West Bank be boy did that No way. When.

1:04:22

You get this: reflections from the I

1:04:24

Cj and this stuff on the I

1:04:26

see see. does that pierce that? That

1:04:28

sort of denial. Ah,

1:04:32

I'm in a way yes a

1:04:34

few no food no as I

1:04:36

told you before the the first

1:04:39

reaction immediate reaction for the arrest

1:04:41

warrant for the repeats the our

1:04:43

demands for the a restaurant because

1:04:46

there was one of the suggests

1:04:48

of but. It's quite

1:04:50

volvo that they will not so

1:04:52

so. Quite

1:04:54

soon. Ah direction was

1:04:56

very serious but I

1:04:58

would say with a

1:05:01

vision of the I

1:05:03

see trade. Even. More

1:05:05

the I succeed in the Us see. Ah,

1:05:08

Because Israel is a part of the ice

1:05:10

into the i stays in organ of the

1:05:13

Un and and countries that is a member

1:05:15

of the Un is a parties to the

1:05:17

I see say these are of his and

1:05:19

even defended itself in the eyes as he

1:05:22

treats would think she's not do A in

1:05:24

I C C. I

1:05:27

didn't cause is being serious

1:05:29

is not the mobo ah

1:05:32

responsibility for what is where

1:05:34

is doing in does. But

1:05:37

yes, I think there is

1:05:39

an understanding. A

1:05:41

growing Still? Not that's

1:05:44

why, but a Growing

1:05:46

Understand the. How.

1:05:48

It is being viewed worldwide.

1:05:51

How. Does the international community.

1:05:54

Is. Viewing to our war in

1:05:56

Gaza. Certainly. Enough.

1:05:59

And. Yes, I do see

1:06:01

a change. Of course,

1:06:03

there is the right wing, the

1:06:06

extreme right wing, which is even

1:06:08

power, and I don't see

1:06:10

it falling so soon, that

1:06:14

are saying, what's the

1:06:16

problem? You know, Smoltuc, the

1:06:19

finance minister Smoltuc

1:06:21

said, exterminate

1:06:23

everything, exterminate the ghanu,

1:06:26

everything. So

1:06:29

there is a part, and

1:06:32

not a small part, unfortunately, in the

1:06:34

Israeli society, which is quite

1:06:36

happy with extermination.

1:06:42

But I think there is a growing

1:06:45

part that maybe,

1:06:48

you know, to itself, it

1:06:51

says that it is

1:06:53

also morally wrong, but they don't

1:06:55

dare to

1:06:57

say so. But they

1:07:00

do say, listen, what

1:07:02

we are doing in Rafa, what we are doing

1:07:04

in Gaza, is

1:07:07

being viewed by the

1:07:09

international community, by the international

1:07:12

legal system, as war

1:07:14

crimes. And if we do not

1:07:17

change our

1:07:19

conduct, if we don't change the

1:07:21

way we act in Rafa, the

1:07:25

way we fight in Rafa, then

1:07:28

Israel will be totally

1:07:32

a pariah state, that

1:07:35

we are on the

1:07:38

roads, on

1:07:40

the road to this, there. I

1:07:44

must add that the Guardian, the report

1:07:46

in the Guardian about

1:07:48

the way Yossi

1:07:51

Koh and the chief

1:07:54

of Mossad behave, the way

1:07:56

he met personally, according

1:07:59

to the report. personally been Suda

1:08:01

and threatened her personally. This

1:08:03

is something that I think

1:08:05

wide range in

1:08:08

these other societies saying, no, this

1:08:10

is a mafia contact. The ex-head

1:08:13

of the Mossad, the one

1:08:15

who preceded Yossi Cohen, Tamir

1:08:18

Pardo, said in an interview

1:08:20

to us that this is

1:08:23

a cosmostra behavior.

1:08:27

So yes, I think specifically

1:08:31

the way Yossi

1:08:34

Cohen allegedly behaves is

1:08:37

considered something really stupid,

1:08:41

stupid and arrogant

1:08:43

and dangerous, everything

1:08:45

together. But I think

1:08:47

generally speaking the ICJ, yes. I

1:08:50

think many people in

1:08:53

Israel fear that

1:08:55

we are on the way

1:08:57

being completely isolated. And I have

1:08:59

to add something here, you know,

1:09:03

Vladimir Putin was indicted

1:09:06

by the same prosecutor,

1:09:09

by Karim Khan for

1:09:15

abducting children, Ukrainian

1:09:18

children to Russia allegedly,

1:09:21

for his responsibility for that. But

1:09:25

Russia, and I think

1:09:27

the Russian public, I'm not an expert in

1:09:29

Russia, but for

1:09:31

Russia, for Russian public to

1:09:34

be considered not a

1:09:36

part of the West, it's

1:09:38

something that is quite normal. This

1:09:40

is part of the ideology of

1:09:42

Putin for many years, is

1:09:45

talking about pacification and that

1:09:47

the West is the origin

1:09:50

of all evil. This is not

1:09:56

the way Israel is conceived

1:09:58

themselves. They

1:10:01

can see themselves as part of the West. They

1:10:04

don't see themselves, no, we are alone

1:10:06

in this world. No, this is not

1:10:09

the way most Israelis, there are some,

1:10:12

like Swat-e-Chugman will say, no, no, we

1:10:14

are. There is

1:10:16

a saying in Hebrew, Israeli,

1:10:18

but that is Israel

1:10:20

will leave alone. But

1:10:26

this is a minority according, as I see

1:10:28

it, the majority wants and believe that they

1:10:30

are part of the West.

1:10:36

And if we are, you know,

1:10:38

if all the organs of this West say

1:10:43

that we behave like criminals, it's

1:10:45

something that affects Israelis. It's interesting and

1:10:47

I guess at

1:10:49

least in terms of like

1:10:53

from an activist perspective outside of the

1:10:55

country, it at

1:10:58

least adds to the argument that

1:11:00

increasing pressure on

1:11:04

Israel from the outside may not change the moral assessment of what

1:11:06

Israel is doing, but

1:11:09

there is a practical, most utilitarian perspective of

1:11:14

that there's an opportunity for extreme

1:11:17

isolation here, which I think

1:11:19

very well may be the case. My

1:11:21

own Rappaport, we will obviously link to

1:11:23

your piece and to the Guardian piece

1:11:25

and also to this piece in Heretz,

1:11:30

which makes it clear just how both important your reporting is

1:11:37

and the level of jeopardy that's involved in it.

1:11:40

And I really appreciate your coming on and talking to

1:11:42

us about it. And I hope to speak to you

1:11:44

again soon. Thank

1:11:46

you. All

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we should have as progressive Left,

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is possible coming from there, and

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Latimer is just horrible

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1:17:12

and advice to Stephen Crowder about being a

1:17:14

husband. I think Mike gives

1:17:16

some good advice. Tim Poole, a dad now?

1:17:19

No, it's all theoretical for him. So Mike

1:17:21

actually is a dad. So we

1:17:23

talked about that a little bit. So patreon.com

1:17:25

just left reckoning where we talked about Bill

1:17:27

Maher on apartheid. And

1:17:30

you'll never guess what the apartheid is.

1:17:32

It's Muslim's treatment of women. Interesting.

1:17:37

He's consistent. All right, folks. See

1:17:40

you in the fun half. Three

1:17:45

months from now, six months from now, nine months from now.

1:17:47

And I don't think it's going to be the same as

1:17:49

it looks like in six months from now. And I don't

1:17:52

know if it's necessarily going to be better six months from

1:17:54

now than it is three months from now. But

1:17:57

I think around 18 months out, we're going to look

1:17:59

back and go like, wow. What is

1:18:01

that going on?

1:18:07

It's nuts. Wait

1:18:12

a second. Hold on. Hold on for

1:18:14

a second. Emma,

1:18:19

welcome to the table. Let's

1:18:25

go Brandon. What

1:18:30

do you want to say hello? Sorry to

1:18:32

disappoint everyone. I'm just a random

1:18:35

guy. No, I'm sorry. Oh

1:18:40

wow. You

1:18:44

want to smoke? Ready?

1:18:48

Hi, I'm Brandon. You're

1:18:52

safe? Yes. Is

1:18:56

this me? It is. It

1:18:59

is you. Is

1:19:02

this me? Hello? Is

1:19:05

this me? I

1:19:07

think it is. Every

1:19:10

fucking day. What's on your

1:19:12

mind? We can discuss free markets and we

1:19:15

can discuss capitalism. I'm going

1:19:17

to go to the right. This is stupid

1:19:19

though. Common sense says of

1:19:21

course. We fucking nailed him. So

1:19:23

what's 79 plus 21? Challenge

1:19:26

max. I'm talking to you for delivery.

1:19:28

I believe 96 I want to say. 5-7. 2-1-0-1.

1:19:32

5-0-1. 1-2-3-8. 9-11.

1:19:35

3-400 dollars. $5-4-3

1:19:38

trillion dollars sold. It's

1:19:42

a zero sum game. Actually you're making me think

1:19:44

of something. But let me say this. You

1:19:47

call it satire. Sam goes

1:19:49

to satire. On top of

1:19:51

it all, my favorite part about you is

1:19:54

just like every day, all day, like everything

1:19:56

you do. It's

1:20:00

just the weak team weeded

1:20:02

out obviously. Yeah.

1:20:08

Sundown, Sundown. I don't know. Oh

1:20:10

you should know. You just don't like the entertainment. I have

1:20:12

a question. Who cares? Oh, no chance.

1:20:14

I do love that. I love that.

1:20:16

I love that. I love that. I

1:20:19

love that. I love that. I love

1:20:21

that. I love that. I

1:20:23

love that. I love that. I

1:20:25

love that. I love that. I love that. I

1:20:29

do love that. Can

1:20:31

I jump? Can I get a jump? I'm losing

1:20:33

it bro. Who

1:20:37

caught where I ate late? The

1:20:39

guy's reading. He's grown. Whoa,

1:20:44

angel. What's wrong with you?

1:20:48

Love you, bye. Love

1:20:50

you. Love you. Love

1:20:58

you.