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3:01

on the program today breaking the Supreme

3:03

Court has upheld a law That

3:06

says guns must may be taken from

3:09

people under domestic violence restraining

3:12

orders some

3:14

good news The

3:16

New York Times reports that colleagues urged

3:18

a Trump appointed judge cannon to step

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down from his from

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the Trump classified documents case But

3:26

she refused This

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3:31

yet again Agreeing

3:35

to a hearing on the legality

3:37

of Jack Smith's appointment, which is

3:39

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3:41

by her Armenia

3:44

recognizes Palestine as a state the latest

3:46

country to do so Israel

3:50

has quietly transferred IDF legal authority

3:52

in the West Bank to

3:54

far-right settlers working for Smote

3:57

rich more on that in the bed Manhattan

4:01

prosecutors have dropped all

4:03

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student protesters. Wikipedia

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4:15

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4:22

last month per federal filings.

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4:29

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4:39

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4:41

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2045. Putin

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and Kim Jong-un hung out the other

4:58

day, went for a joyride. Putin

5:01

is now publicly threatening to help arm

5:03

North Korea. And

5:06

lastly, rest in peace Donald Sutherland,

5:09

legendary actor and

5:11

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5:14

All this and more on

5:17

today's Majority Report. Welcome

5:19

to the show, everybody. It

5:21

is casual Friday on the heels

5:24

of an majority report Thursday. Hello

5:26

to Bradley. Hello to Matt. Sam

5:30

is out. Saul is graduating.

5:32

Graduating. That's a

5:34

very big deal. Big deal. So

5:37

congratulations to the Cedar family. He

5:41

will be back on Monday. Let's

5:44

get into it now. We'll just be

5:47

the two of us plus Bradley. You know,

5:49

he'll he'll jump in on occasion as well.

5:51

Talking about the news this week, wrapping some

5:53

things up, covering stories that I think are

5:55

important. Let's start here because all

5:57

we've heard from the Republic of the United

5:59

States is Republicans ahead of

6:01

this debate that's happening next

6:04

week, which we will be covering here on

6:06

the show live, is

6:08

that Biden is like, how is he

6:10

going to get through this? How is he going

6:13

to form a sentence? How is he going to

6:15

perform in a setting

6:17

where he's going to have to articulate himself and

6:19

go back and forth against Donald Trump? They've

6:22

been setting the expectation that Biden is basically going

6:24

to come out there and just poop and then

6:26

leave for something like that. I mean, it's really

6:28

they couldn't be, I think, setting

6:31

the bar lower, which is probably

6:34

good news for Biden because he

6:36

needs this. It's helped him before.

6:38

Yeah. In

6:40

order to turn around some concerning polling that we're

6:42

seeing come out of swing states, although we'll get

6:44

into that in a bit, why I

6:47

do think there's some positive news on that front.

6:49

But this debate will be next

6:51

week in Atlanta. CNN is hosting

6:53

it. No audience. The

6:56

candidates' mics are going to be muted

6:58

except when they it's their

7:00

turn to speak, because if you

7:03

recall one of those Trump-Biden debates where

7:05

Trump, I don't know, they gave his they

7:07

upped his Adderall dose maybe a little bit too much

7:10

or something like that because he just couldn't stop interrupting

7:12

and it was a bad look. I

7:14

also read that Ron Klain, Biden's former chief

7:17

of staff, is going to be running the

7:19

preparations for this debate, which is also good

7:21

news, I think, for Biden because one of

7:23

the more under discussed stories about the Biden

7:26

administration is that when Ron Klain left as

7:28

chief of staff, Jeff Zines took over and

7:31

that's when approval rankings tanked. That's

7:33

when this disastrous response to

7:36

Israel's genocide began and Klain

7:38

comes from politics. Jeff

7:40

Zines comes from corporate America. And I think there

7:44

should be more conversation about the fact that he

7:46

doesn't seem to really know what he's doing from

7:48

a political strategy perspective. Let's talk about how the

7:51

left is blowing this for Biden. Right. Right.

7:54

Klain has basically been saying that Biden

7:56

needs to focus more on kitchen table

7:59

issues. I'd expect that's going to be

8:01

what Biden focuses

8:03

on during this debate. But

8:05

here's Donald Trump. He went on the All

8:08

In podcast and

8:11

this is what

8:13

he said were, are his

8:16

predictions for the debate and

8:19

he's changing his tone a little bit. Do

8:22

you have a prediction for the debate next week? What's going to happen?

8:24

Well, all I can say is this. I watched him

8:27

with Paul Ryan and he destroyed Paul Ryan. Paul Ryan

8:29

with the water. He was chugging water at a left

8:31

and right. I didn't think a human being would be

8:33

able to drink so much water at one time and

8:36

he beat Paul Ryan. So

8:38

I'm not underestimating him. I'm not

8:40

underestimating him. It is what it is.

8:44

We'll see what happens. But you take a look at

8:46

the last one. I happen

8:48

to think he's incompetent for a lot of

8:50

reasons. I think he's incompetent because he has

8:53

gotten the worst policies, both foreign policy

8:55

and internal policy. I mean, who would

8:57

not want to have a wall? Who

8:59

wants to have millions of people pouring

9:02

in? Who wants to have high taxes?

9:04

You know, taxes are going

9:06

to raise by four times if this guy has

9:08

his plan. Is he in cognitive decline? Do you

9:10

believe he's in cognitive decline? I

9:12

shouldn't be the one to say that, but I don't think he's

9:14

doing particularly well. But I didn't think he was well 25 years

9:16

ago. I thought he was not a smart

9:19

person. And that was told to

9:21

me by a certain member of the Kennedy family

9:23

who was actually very friendly with me through a

9:26

Palm Beach relationship. And

9:28

I was told that very strongly. So I was

9:30

never a fan of his. But

9:32

I will say he beat Paul

9:35

Ryan still years ago, but

9:37

he beat Paul Ryan pretty badly. And

9:40

I assume he's going to be somebody

9:42

that will be a worthy debater. I

9:44

would say I think I don't want

9:47

to underestimate him. All

9:49

right. Well, you were for a

9:51

really, really long time. So I think

9:53

that Bradley, you really have been saying

9:55

this for weeks at this point and

9:57

you called it the entire

9:59

Republican. party could not be setting

10:02

expectations more lower for Biden

10:04

and you don't want a critical debate like

10:06

this to have the

10:10

bar be on the floor, right? Because Biden will

10:13

clear it. He

10:15

is Trump's, like he's a

10:17

difficult candidate for Trump to attack because he's also

10:19

a white guy so he can't go to all

10:22

the racist stuff. Republican voters are

10:24

old too, so they're not going to love the, you're

10:26

a daughtering old man. And I'm just a few years

10:28

younger than you, but I'm going to bully you about

10:30

that. And Biden has

10:32

a strategy, which I actually think is

10:34

a pretty good one, where he just laughs in Trump's face. So

10:37

I don't know. I mean, maybe they're a

10:39

little worried at this point. And polling, even

10:41

though it's still quite bad for Biden, I do think

10:43

there's some indicators that they're showing, like once it gets

10:45

down to crunch time, people are going to start to

10:47

remember what Trump presidency was like.

10:50

But this is, as we were discussing,

10:52

this is where Trump's bravado and braggadociousness,

10:56

the AKA, the primary strength with Republican

10:58

voters for him becomes a huge problem

11:01

because when he gets activated, he's literally

11:03

going to say Biden essentially is the

11:05

cognitive ability of a two year old

11:07

baby. And when Biden literally strings

11:09

a sentence together, as I said earlier, I'll get

11:12

the Nikki Haley tattoo if Biden does not string

11:14

a sentence together at the debate next week. So

11:16

you can mark me on that again. I will

11:18

get the tattoo of Biden can't string

11:21

one sentence together. Right. And

11:23

but those expectations that Trump

11:25

has laid that is also

11:27

very clearly now it's it's

11:30

it's clarifying that clearly somebody on his

11:32

team was like, hey, you

11:34

need to maybe just a little bit raise

11:38

the bar for Biden. So when he

11:40

does, in fact, complete a sentence, we

11:42

don't all look like like complete morons

11:44

because we were previewing him literally not

11:47

being able to remember his own name.

11:49

Yeah, we just got a

11:51

great I am from Elon J. E. L.

11:53

Elon Jelk. I'm not sure what that means.

11:55

But is

11:57

a Palm Beach relationship code for a

11:59

mutual friend? Jeffrey Epstein. I

12:02

mean, kind of, right? A Kennedy, he

12:04

knows a Kennedy who said Biden isn't

12:06

Bobby though. Also, it's probably like, that's

12:08

the thing. They were mutual friends with

12:11

Jeffrey Epstein. It's

12:13

what upon mutual relationship was a

12:16

wild euphemism. It really is. You

12:18

know, I think that the reason

12:20

that they are so excited to push the

12:22

cognitive decline narrative is because they're looking for

12:25

easy propaganda, which is a Biden freeze up

12:27

moment that they could run on. And

12:29

I think they could get that. I'm optimistic.

12:31

And I think it could look, it could

12:33

be bad. And, but I do want to

12:35

say like, this is where our independent media

12:37

is. The All In podcast,

12:39

a bunch of venture capitalists who like

12:41

did pump and dumps. In

12:44

front of green screen, it looks

12:46

like a boardroom. I don't know. It suggests

12:49

to me that JD Vance might be the

12:51

vice president. Cause I'm prob I'm, I haven't

12:53

looked at, but I guarantee he's been on

12:55

the All In podcast. But I, sorry,

12:57

Trump brought up tax policy and immediately Jason

12:59

Calacan has jumped in with, do you think

13:02

president Biden's in cognitive decline? Like, can we

13:04

have an adult conversation about policy anywhere in

13:06

this? Or does it all have to be

13:08

in this sort of like vein of is

13:10

the old man very old? Yeah. Right. These

13:13

are old guys. Yeah. Their brains are slowing

13:15

down. Like, of course this is just like,

13:17

this is this, that's how brains work. But

13:19

I mean, you have the opportunity to do

13:22

something different and you're doing the exact same

13:24

thing that, you know, trash media is. And

13:26

it's notable that he's talking about taxes there

13:28

because Trump just got a $50

13:31

million donation to his Make America

13:33

Great Again super PAC from billionaire

13:35

Timothy Mellon, one of the wealthiest

13:37

members of the wealthiest families in

13:39

this country. I think that

13:42

Trump is basically saying, I am

13:44

open for business. He's desperate to

13:46

get into power to quash the

13:48

multiple legal quandaries that he's in

13:50

right now or squash them,

13:52

whatever you want to use. And

13:54

I think that he's basically

13:56

like, I'll take it. Whatever you want. I

13:59

mean, we saw that, that story. with Miriam

14:01

and Adelson, the

14:04

widow of the biggest

14:07

Zionist donor to Republicans, Sheldon

14:09

Adelson. The current richest Zionist

14:11

in the world, Miriam Adelson.

14:14

Owner of the Dallas Mavericks. She wants

14:17

to bring casinos to Texas apparently, and that was

14:19

her effort, and the Christians are saying no, which

14:21

I hope that that's a pebble in her shoe

14:23

for the rest of her days.

14:26

But yeah, I mean, she has said that

14:28

it was reported, I will

14:30

give you a bunch of money and donate a bunch

14:32

of money to you if you promise to annex the

14:34

West Bank when you get into power. And he was

14:37

like, you say jump. Well, I

14:39

can't really jump at this point. My

14:41

vertical is not great, but I'll theoretically

14:43

say how I. So that's that. That's

14:45

where we are at with that. We're

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are back folks. Let's

18:07

talk about this latest polling that

18:09

came out yesterday, Emerson

18:13

polling, and on its face, it looks

18:15

pretty bad for Biden. But

18:17

I'm going to explain why I do

18:19

think there's significant room for improvement for

18:22

Biden here. Basically

18:25

in every swing state, Trump

18:27

is polling ahead of Biden at this point.

18:29

Scroll down Bradley, if you don't mind,

18:32

we can put this on the screen here. So

18:34

this is the state polls you can see

18:36

here, Arizona. If we

18:38

could just put the cursor over in Arizona,

18:42

you can see that Biden is

18:45

losing to Trump by four

18:47

points. In

18:50

Nevada, Trump is up by three points.

18:54

In Georgia there as well,

18:56

you can see Trump is

18:58

up. That's a little less surprising. Michigan,

19:02

Trump is up by one point. Pennsylvania

19:08

as well, you have Trump up by two.

19:11

Michigan Trump's up by one. Wisconsin Trump's

19:13

up by three. In Minnesota, they're tied.

19:15

I swear

19:17

to God, if Joe loses Minnesota. Because

19:20

I mean, Minnesota is in the middle of a real progressive

19:22

upswing right now. But

19:25

also hasn't gotten read

19:27

since Nixon, right? Yeah.

19:32

Yeah. That would be, I

19:35

think, a shocking result. Because then you scroll to

19:37

the Senate numbers, if you don't mind going down

19:39

to that, Bradley. Let's look at

19:41

this. So, Gilejo is up

19:43

against Kerry Lake here and is

19:46

up by four points, not an incumbent

19:48

either. So that's a pretty significant lead,

19:53

especially when we

19:55

know that I think July 3rd is the deadline

19:58

for the... Arizona

20:02

pro-choice activists to

20:04

submit the signatures that they need

20:06

for abortion to be on the ballot

20:08

in the fall. And

20:11

it's around 380K for the signatures that they

20:13

need, and they've already collected more than 500,000.

20:17

It gives them wiggle room in case some of

20:19

the signatures get thrown out. But that should only

20:21

increase Gallejo's lead there.

20:24

And that just seems like, so

20:26

Biden being down by four points,

20:29

but Gallejo being up by four,

20:32

that's a massive difference. And it shows

20:34

that, yes, there's a significant

20:36

lack of enthusiasm for Biden, but that is

20:38

a kind of split that is not going

20:40

to hold on election day. I'm telling you,

20:43

because people go to the polls and they

20:45

vote down ballot, and there will

20:47

be people that leave it blank, or maybe even vote

20:49

for Trump and vote for Gallejo, although I think that

20:51

will be quite marginal. But that

20:53

just means that's an eight point room for improvement

20:55

right there with a

20:58

Democratic non-incumbent leading

21:00

Kerry Lake by four points. And

21:02

then Jackie Rosen, who is an incumbent,

21:05

but is up by 12 in Nevada,

21:07

and Biden is down by

21:10

three. I mean,

21:12

that is just incredible there, right?

21:15

50% to 38, she's up by 12 points. What

21:19

it looks like to me is a

21:21

giant opportunity being wasted on a massively

21:23

unpopular presidential candidate. Oh, and sorry, it's

21:25

Gallejo. I'm sorry for saying it incorrectly.

21:27

Thank you for correcting me, CPJ, on

21:30

the IMs. But yes. So

21:32

just to foreground to this right before Amy

21:34

Klobuchar being up 11 in Minnesota

21:36

as well in this Michigan Senate

21:39

race, Alyssa Slotkin also being up

21:41

by four points. It's

21:44

seemingly, as we're saying, even in

21:46

places where we weren't even anticipating

21:48

this level of competition, Klobuchar

21:51

is not even competitive for her,

21:53

and yet it's tied electorally for

21:55

the Marquis race. It's just like...

21:57

Yeah, so tied in Minnesota. But

21:59

Klobuchar's up by 11. That's the

22:01

differential between Biden and Klobuchar. And

22:03

then as you said in Michigan

22:06

Sloccan not an incumbent, but

22:08

she's up by four points as a

22:10

centrist Democrat and Biden

22:13

is down by one point Pennsylvania

22:16

you turn Trump's up by two Bob

22:18

Casey is up by six in

22:20

Wisconsin Tammy Baldwin is up by just two points,

22:22

which is a little Surprising

22:24

to me But I

22:27

do think Wisconsin I'm

22:30

not sure I'd imagine she wins that race

22:32

but Trump is up by three points in Wisconsin right now

22:35

content is basically I don't think I ever

22:37

had a non-close like gubernatorial

22:39

or Senate race in like 20 years So

22:41

I even if like that doesn't surprise me

22:43

as much in terms of the margin I

22:45

do I still do think for now Tammy

22:47

Baldwin is not going to lose but yeah

22:50

so the enthusiasm gap is as Significant

22:53

as it could be right Biden

22:55

is clearly a drag on the

22:57

Democrats chances he's being carried by

22:59

people who generally view Democrats is

23:02

better than Republicans because Right

23:04

now the negative partisanship about Republicans and

23:06

Trump is quite high But

23:09

the point that I want to make here when you

23:11

look at this is that that is

23:13

room for improvement that I do think Biden will

23:15

close isn't enough to win. I Have

23:18

no idea but there will probably be people

23:20

who are inclined to vote for him who

23:23

want to vote for the Democrat for Senate

23:26

Who will probably do so down ticket

23:28

and it's not necessarily being reflected right

23:30

now in national or swing-state polling? The

23:33

other thing I wanted to mention too Can we scroll

23:35

down to the approval ratings in those states as opposed

23:38

to right here? This is perfect if we could put

23:40

this on the screen So

23:42

Biden's approval rating in the swing states here

23:44

Arizona 36% Georgia 35 Michigan

23:48

39 Minnesota 38, Nevada 38, Pennsylvania 39

23:53

So high to mid 30s

23:55

in terms of approval no 40s anywhere

23:58

and he's majority disapproval in all of

24:00

those swing states. The plus 50 everywhere.

24:04

And but

24:06

then you scroll down to those state issues

24:09

there, if we could go to the abortion part.

24:12

Voters in Arizona and Nevada were asked if

24:14

they would vote yes or no on the

24:17

potential ballot measure to establish the constitutional right

24:19

to abortion in their state. In

24:21

Arizona, 56% would vote yes. 26%

24:24

would vote no, 18% not sure. But

24:27

that's already a majority by six points

24:30

voting yes in Arizona. And if those

24:33

signatures hold, as I mentioned earlier, abortion

24:36

is likely to be on the ballot in

24:39

Arizona, which just means great

24:41

things for, I'm

24:44

already pretending, Diego, not Galejo, Diego,

24:49

and by and most

24:52

likely. And then in Nevada, it's

24:54

also probably going to be on the ballot. And

24:57

the approval for an abortion measure is 58% who would

24:59

vote yes versus 20% who would vote

25:02

no, 21% unsure. And

25:06

that measure is

25:10

probably going to be on the ballot as well. June

25:12

26 is the deadline in Nevada

25:15

to have the collected

25:17

signatures provided to ensure

25:20

that it is a ballot measure. And

25:22

organizers also say they have more than enough signatures

25:24

in that instance. So in Nevada and

25:26

Arizona, that is the good news

25:28

for the Democrats running there, including Biden.

25:31

But look, Hillary

25:34

lost in part because people decided not to

25:36

vote one way or the other on the

25:38

top of the ticket and voted on the

25:40

rest of it. So I could

25:42

imagine people doing the exact same thing with Biden

25:44

here. I hope that that doesn't happen.

25:49

But on

25:52

the plus side, the Supreme Court isn't

25:54

on the ballot like it was for Trump in 2016.

25:57

And I think that pulled a lot of people in

25:59

and he's a felon. So there's some things, you

26:02

know, hurting Trump. So I'm not saying I think

26:05

people do overstate, especially with our politics,

26:08

because Biden deserves to lose, for instance, for

26:10

a sport of genocide that he will lose,

26:13

which is not to say that these are not

26:15

preferable to Republicans. I'm not saying that, but I

26:18

also just want to people might remember

26:21

this because I've been harping on it for

26:23

a while, but I think, you know, the

26:25

politics reporters started talking about this supposed one

26:27

term pledge that Joe Biden made. And

26:29

there's this thing about, is there a Mendel affected?

26:31

He actually never really say that. And I mean,

26:34

the truth is that Politico floated it as an

26:36

advisor saying that in 2019, and

26:38

then they later denied it. But he also

26:40

said the same thing in 2016. And

26:43

what all of this, like, did he say that or

26:45

didn't he say that avoids is that he should, he

26:47

should be a one term president and he should not

26:49

be running for reelection again. And that's been clear for

26:51

the entirety of this year. And it was clear last

26:54

year, if you really are this

26:56

committed to say supporting Israel, do it as a

26:58

lame duck president and let the rest of us

27:00

move on with democracy. I would love that if

27:02

that were the case, but we know it's not

27:04

going to happen. He had him have made that

27:06

decision months, months ago. And

27:09

we were right to say that he

27:11

should and that the generic Democrat would

27:13

win. And I think the losses are

27:15

handling if that happens. Oh, yeah. And

27:17

then because like this, this demonstrates

27:19

another just a lack of ability to

27:23

seek an advantage in our political system

27:25

where desperately needs people that seek progress

27:27

to have an advantage. And

27:30

Trump is an insanely weak presidential

27:32

candidate that should be again. Again,

27:35

we're here in this position that

27:37

Donald Trump like it's he

27:39

can turn people out. But again, this you

27:41

should be able to run up the score

27:43

on this guy. Oh, yeah. And instead we

27:45

are actually any sort of headwind

27:48

that we have or any sort of like wind

27:50

in the sails, like the abortion stuff, we're using

27:52

it to send just more bombs is and say,

27:55

no, we're actually not delaying nothing. We

27:57

got you back. So like, I mean, I hope it works.

28:00

I wouldn't. And Biden should be running on

28:02

things like Medicare, Social Security. I don't

28:05

know, taxing the rich. These are the kinds of

28:08

things that we've run through issue polling with Sam.

28:10

To be fair, they kind of are. They kind

28:12

of. Well, we'll see what his tactic is in

28:14

the debate. And as I said earlier, Ron Klain

28:16

being the one responsible for debate preparation makes me

28:18

think that they will do that. So

28:20

I do think that this looks

28:23

more positive on its face for Biden than

28:26

the polling indicates when you just look

28:28

at it. That's really that

28:30

was my takeaway from it. But I also,

28:32

I hear I share your, I share your

28:34

frustration. So

28:36

I headlined this yesterday, but Louisiana

28:41

is, has

28:43

done something insane. They

28:45

now have a Republican governor and

28:48

they have passed a law requiring

28:51

public schools to

28:54

display the 10 commandments in

28:56

all of the state's classrooms. Now,

28:59

anybody who has an even

29:01

rudimentary understanding of the constitution

29:04

might say, Hey, doesn't

29:07

that violate the establishment clause? Doesn't

29:09

that violate the first amendment that

29:11

says Congress shall make no law

29:13

respecting an establishment of religion or

29:15

prohibiting the free exercise thereof? Doesn't

29:18

this been litigated before? Well, it will be.

29:20

I mean, the ACLU of media is like

29:22

we're suing. Of course they are. The

29:25

law says that the commandments must be

29:27

11 by 14 inches

29:29

or larger. So that's, they have

29:31

a minimum requirement for the size of the paper

29:34

and be in a large,

29:36

easily readable font. And

29:39

so they want people to read it.

29:42

They want the students to have

29:44

the 10 commandments on display in front of them. And

29:47

it's also just like explicitly said

29:52

by the bill sponsors what they want

29:54

to do in terms of furthering Christian

29:56

nationalism. Let's pull up

29:58

this quote by representative Dodie Horton.

30:00

She sponsored the

30:02

bill here. Horton

30:04

has previously defended the bill during

30:07

a House debate last month that the Ten Commandments

30:10

are the basis of all

30:12

laws in Louisiana, she said, arguing

30:15

that the legislation honors the country's

30:17

religious origins. This is her quote.

30:20

I'm not concerned with an atheist. I'm not

30:22

concerned with a Muslim. She

30:25

said when asked about teachers who might

30:27

not subscribe to the Ten Commandments, I'm

30:29

concerned with our children looking and seeing

30:31

what God's law is. So

30:34

that's pretty explicit. Then

30:36

the governor, when the governor was signing

30:39

this bill, talked about Moses. The

30:42

quote is, if you want to respect the rule of

30:44

law, you've got to start with the original lawgiver, which

30:46

was Moses. And

30:50

then CNN's Boris

30:52

Sanchez has had

30:55

one of the Louisiana State representatives on

30:57

who is supportive of this, coauthored the

30:59

Ten Commandments legislation in the state. Sanchez

31:03

is one of CNN's best hires in

31:05

years. He is

31:07

just really good in these

31:10

settings in particular. So

31:13

it's obviously unconstitutional, or

31:15

at least it should be, with

31:18

this Supreme Court. Who

31:20

knows? Lots of theocrats

31:23

on the Supreme Court. They're

31:26

just wasting Louisiana and the people's,

31:29

there's time because they're just wrapping

31:31

up the state's infrastructure in these

31:33

legal battles to defend a display

31:35

of the Ten Commandments in every

31:38

classroom. So anyway, Sanchez

31:40

here is speaking with Louisiana

31:42

State Representative Lauren Aventrella. She

31:44

coauthored the Ten Commandments legislation.

31:48

And he corners her with her own insanely

31:51

flawed logic here. So

31:54

when you talk about the moral

31:56

fiber of our country, you realize

31:58

that this country is... an

32:00

amalgamation of cultures, right, and different

32:03

faiths. And even within Christianity, people

32:05

don't interpret those commandments the same

32:07

way. Well,

32:11

what's important about this bill and

32:13

what's important to remember about this

32:15

country is that whether we like

32:18

it or not, Moses

32:20

is in the Supreme Court of

32:22

the United States, the 10 commandments,

32:24

or in the Supreme Court of

32:26

the United States. Moses is on

32:28

the law in Congress. This is

32:30

part and ingrained in our nation.

32:32

This is a historical document that's

32:35

important in Louisiana, because in Louisiana,

32:37

we believe in faith, family,

32:39

and freedom, and that is why I voted

32:41

in favor of this bill. Sure,

32:43

but you also recognize that the

32:46

Constitution of this country, its founding

32:48

document, doesn't include the word God

32:50

or Jesus or Christianity, and that's

32:53

for a reason, because the Founding

32:55

Fathers founded this country as a

32:57

secular one. You

33:00

don't see that? I

33:03

bet you CNN pays you a lot of money. I bet you

33:05

got a bunch of dollar bills. What does this have to do

33:07

with the network that I work for or what

33:09

I'm getting paid? Don't make us about that.

33:11

Answer the question. Why did the Founding Fathers

33:13

not include God in the Constitution if they

33:15

wanted this country to be the way that

33:17

you see it? Let

33:20

me finish my statement. Answer the

33:22

question, and don't make this about me. In

33:26

God we trust, well, make it about

33:28

me. I got a dollar bill in

33:30

my wallet. In God we trust is

33:32

written on that dollar. It is not

33:35

forcing anybody to believe one viewpoint. It's

33:37

merely posting a historical reference on the

33:39

wall for students to read and interpret

33:42

it if they choose. But

33:46

fundamentally, you understand that

33:48

there's a separation between church and state, and

33:51

that if you're a student at a school,

33:53

say you're Muslim or Hindu or

33:56

atheist, having that on the

33:58

wall, doesn't that endorse? a

34:00

specific set of beliefs? Absolutely

34:05

not. It is a historical document.

34:07

Again, the law of the nation.

34:09

But there are historical documents, there

34:11

are historical documents that actually

34:13

this law authorizes to

34:16

be displayed in classrooms like the

34:19

Mayflower Compact, the Declaration of Independence

34:21

and others. But this

34:23

one is specifically religious and there's a difference

34:25

there. I mean, that

34:28

seems pretty clear that there's a difference

34:30

between a random historical document and one

34:32

that endorses a very specific view of

34:34

a very specific denomination within a religion.

34:39

I don't agree with you that

34:41

this is a random historical document.

34:43

I mean, there was random. But

34:45

there are others. Go ahead. This

34:50

is a very valuable document.

34:53

Look, this nation has

34:55

gotten out of hand with crime,

34:57

with the bad negative things that

34:59

are going on. Why is it

35:01

so preposterous that we would want

35:03

our students to have

35:05

the option to have some good

35:08

principles instilled in them? If they

35:10

don't hear it at home, good

35:12

principles. I'm up for the

35:14

optionality, but at Caron, they have some

35:16

lessons to share. That's what

35:18

I'm saying. There are many historic documents

35:21

that we could put on display in

35:23

every classroom and mandate it. Yeah,

35:25

you want to put the Caron on there? All

35:29

historic documents have to be on display

35:32

because they have some sort of educational

35:34

value according to this logic. But why

35:36

this one then? Why this one? That's

35:39

the question. Yes,

35:41

we can pick anything. I mean, I've

35:44

checked the rule book. There

35:47

are many documents in the history of this world

35:49

that are considered historical. You know what Vam get

35:51

from this lady? What? Kanye

35:54

will be looking at someone that saved the Jews. Right.

35:57

I mean, she just... It

36:00

really is incredible to see her kind of fall

36:04

apart here, and then he's cornered her on

36:06

this, and she moves to crime.

36:08

I guess the display of the Ten Commandments That's

36:11

an historical document. will indoctrinate

36:13

the children in the way that

36:15

she likes to make them non-criminals,

36:18

because you know who's non-criminals? It's

36:20

non-Christians, duh. The Muslims, the atheists,

36:22

the godless pedophiles. Oh wait, did

36:24

I express my ideology too succinctly

36:26

there for you? All right, keep

36:29

going. Have some

36:31

good principles instilled in them. If

36:33

they don't hear it at home, let

36:35

them read it in the classroom. If they don't hear

36:38

it at home. If they don't hear it at home.

36:40

The Mayflower Compact, which is mentioned in the document as

36:42

well. I don't understand why this is so preposterous and

36:44

that litigation is being threatened. It

36:47

doesn't scare us in the state of Louisiana. We say bring

36:49

it on. Because if someone has

36:51

a home in which they choose to believe

36:53

something different, which is welcome in this country,

36:56

it's literally why people fled to come

36:58

here and found this country to begin with,

37:01

then they should be allowed to. And it's not

37:03

really an option if you're requiring it to

37:05

be put up in the wall of a

37:07

classroom. What do you say to the parents

37:09

of students or even teachers who don't share

37:11

your religious views? Don't

37:15

look at it. Look,

37:19

what would you say if your child had to

37:21

go to a classroom in which the five pillars

37:23

of Islam were required to be on the wall?

37:25

How would you feel? Again,

37:28

this is not about the five

37:31

pillars of Islam. This bill specifically

37:33

states the 10 commandments. It is

37:35

a historical document. I'm presenting

37:37

you with a hypothetical that would help you

37:39

put yourself in the shoes of someone you

37:41

may not understand and at their point of

37:43

view. How would you feel if you

37:45

walked into a classroom and something you didn't believe in

37:48

was required to be on the wall? You

37:50

can answer that question. I appreciate you,

37:53

Chris. I cannot sit here and gather

37:55

and fathom. You

37:57

could give me a thousand hypotheticals.

37:59

Again, this specific bill applies

38:02

to this specific text, the Quran

38:04

or Islam. That is a very

38:06

broad statement. We're specifically talking about

38:08

a limited text on, mind you,

38:10

a piece of paper that's not

38:12

much bigger than a legal sheet

38:14

of paper. Some kids might even

38:16

need a magnifying glass to read

38:18

all of this. This is not

38:20

so preposterous that we're somehow sanctioning

38:22

and forcing religion down people's throat.

38:25

I've heard the comments and it's just ridiculous. I

38:28

mean, a requirement is a requirement,

38:30

right? Your law mandates a

38:32

specific version of the commandments be posted. Here is

38:34

one of them. I want to share it with

38:36

our viewers. It says, quote,

38:38

thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife,

38:40

nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor

38:42

his cattle, nor anything that is

38:45

thy neighbors. I'm wondering why this

38:47

specific version of the commandments was

38:49

selected. So

38:52

the reason why for that is because

38:54

it is the most historical reference. This

38:56

is one of the original translations into

38:58

the English language and to preserve the

39:01

actual history of the document. The

39:04

drafters of the legislation felt that

39:06

it was very important to maintain

39:08

that historical context and that language that

39:10

portrays it in the best historical light

39:13

possible. I'm in no

39:15

way diminishing anyone's beliefs. I don't think

39:17

that my personal beliefs are important to

39:19

this story, but I do have to

39:21

point out and ask you about the

39:24

fact that religious scholars don't

39:26

even agree who wrote the

39:28

Ten Commandments, where or when they were

39:30

written. Does that not give

39:33

you pause in any way that

39:35

this comes from a religious document

39:37

and not from something that's

39:39

based in secular

39:41

agreement or in a doctrine that a

39:43

group of people have come to accept

39:46

something like the Constitution? Look,

39:49

religious scholars may not agree, but I'm

39:52

going to tell you right now, Louisiana

39:54

in both houses agreed and we passed

39:56

this legislation. Look, Louisiana is not California

39:58

or New York. work and may

40:01

make people uncomfortable in other states.

40:03

But in this legislature this year,

40:05

it was a resounding acceptance of

40:07

this legislation. And that's what's most

40:09

important. What should a

40:11

teacher tell her? All right. All right. I

40:13

mean, I keep waiting for him to let up on her.

40:15

This is why we like Boris

40:17

Sanchez in this house. He did not move

40:19

on to anything else. He just kept going

40:22

at her. Like, first of all, when she

40:24

brought up that money example, In God We

40:26

Trust was not on our

40:28

currency at the founding of this country. I believe it

40:30

was added in the late 1800s

40:33

to mid 1800s. If I'm not mistaken.

40:35

I mean, even in one nation

40:37

under God was Eisenhower. Right. Eisenhower

40:39

was when we added one nation

40:41

under God to the Pledge of Allegiance. So specific

40:43

about any God. So less.

40:45

It's less. Yes. Of a problem. Then I don't like

40:47

it. I don't like it either. But it's simply less

40:50

of a problem than the Ten Commandments. But again, if

40:52

we're going to do that Ten Commandments very simply let

40:54

everything else in to. Right. Well, and I

40:56

love the don't look at it. Well, then

40:58

what the point. What is the current? That

41:00

was my was a bad Louisiana accent by

41:02

me. But why then do

41:04

they need to mandate it to

41:06

put it in every classroom if there

41:08

are easily readable? If right. If there's a separate

41:11

section of students that will

41:14

have to avert their gaze because they don't agree

41:16

with it. Why are you placing the burden on

41:18

them? And that's why there is

41:20

the Establishment Clause. And I would love

41:22

to hear if she makes that argument

41:24

about a pride flag. Just

41:26

don't look at it. Don't look at it. I'm talking simply

41:28

about historical document. I don't know why you're bringing

41:30

in all this other stuff. I mean, that woman

41:33

represented just a foot soldier. And

41:35

when she is gone there,

41:37

the system of sort of white evangelical

41:39

fascism that has put her in her

41:42

place will put someone else in the

41:44

place. And that's why she like it's

41:46

not her job to know what religious

41:48

scholars think about stuff. Her job is

41:50

to repeat some talking points and do

41:52

the votes that she's told to make.

41:55

Yeah, I love that. I really also

41:57

appreciated that Bayou Boebert over here said

41:59

that. said that uh

42:02

basically she basically said like you know Islam and

42:04

the Quran that's

42:09

a really broad thing I'm like oh so that

42:11

so but if we were just if we're just

42:14

to do a direct application Christianity and the Ten

42:16

Commandments is not a broad thing no like

42:18

like it's not a law why don't you understand

42:21

right somehow Islam and the Quran and those pillars

42:23

of if you put them in a vacuum pillars

42:25

from a religious text of a broad-based

42:27

religion one of them is like whoa

42:29

we're we'd be really really opening up

42:32

a big can of worms there yeah

42:34

but we gotta have the

42:36

legislature agreed yeah we

42:38

have to preserve history yeah that's

42:40

a real Vergonia head totally

42:43

totally she will be on she will ironically

42:51

purchase our Vergonia flag t-shirt but

42:53

not understand cuz she doesn't seem to really be

42:56

that quick no

42:58

that's an understatement yeah

43:01

from that fun story to something a

43:03

little bit more serious this

43:06

was a great segment done

43:08

by Lester Holt and NBC

43:10

and a really outrageous story

43:13

Michigan County jails are

43:15

currently under fire by

43:17

some civil rights groups who are filed a

43:19

lawsuit against them a few months

43:21

back in March jails in

43:23

Michigan County jails banned in-person visits

43:26

a few years ago for inmates

43:29

in favor of a video call system which

43:31

is cruel in and of itself but

43:33

but you're someone's making a nice profit off it though yes

43:37

that's of course of

43:40

course what it was about that's the crux

43:42

of the story sorry no

43:44

I mean but it is Occam's

43:46

razor of course somebody's making money off of

43:48

it they filed a lawsuit and

43:51

the civil rights group basically alleged

43:53

that it was a quid pro

43:55

quo kickback scheme obviously

43:57

these prison phone companies were

43:59

making a lot of money because, I

44:01

mean, it really is just extremely disgusting.

44:04

A prison phone company wouldn't be unscrupulous

44:06

and exploitative, would they? No.

44:09

There, these private telecommunications companies did

44:11

a deal with Michigan counties

44:14

and their governments and what do

44:16

you know, the county governments got

44:18

their beaks

44:20

wet as well and they

44:22

pocketed some money as a part

44:25

of this. So, these private

44:27

telecommunications companies known as Securis

44:29

Technologies and Viapath, they operate

44:31

the systems, they get some

44:34

money because they charge a

44:36

fee for every time a family member wants

44:39

to contact somebody who's in a county jail.

44:41

Then the county- You're playing the game called capitalism. Yup.

44:44

Then the county government's portion, pocket

44:46

a portion of the money that's made

44:49

there. But the people that

44:51

get hurt are people like this

44:53

woman who was profiled here by NBC

44:55

and this is, it opens

44:58

with her, the only

45:00

way she's able to speak to her loved ones. How

45:03

you doing today? What

45:05

begins as excitement ends in tears

45:08

for Raquila Harris Dudley and her

45:10

children. Located

45:14

by less than two miles

45:16

and by a jail policy

45:18

that doesn't allow in-person visitation.

45:25

Raquila's parents, Phillip and Brenda, have been caring

45:27

for her children. Everybody, where's

45:29

Mama when she's coming home? It must

45:31

have made for some

45:34

rough moments with the kids. Oh yes, oh

45:36

yes. I said, well, right now, granny's

45:39

mommy and I'm gonna hold you until you

45:41

feel better. Replacing free

45:44

in-person visits with costly video

45:46

calls has become the norm

45:48

in hundreds of jails across

45:50

the country. Here

45:53

a 25 minute call typically costs $10. It

45:56

just costs too much and it's not even guaranteed

45:58

that it's gonna work. Now, the

46:01

policy is at the center of two

46:03

lawsuits in Michigan, including one of them

46:05

here in Genesee County, which is fighting

46:07

it, arguing there's no

46:09

constitutional right for in-person

46:12

visitations. But civil rights

46:14

attorney Alec Carrick DeSantis disagrees

46:16

and says video-only visits are

46:18

painfully inadequate. We think there's

46:20

a constitutional right for children

46:22

to hug their parents. The

46:24

video calls are operated by

46:26

for-profit telecommunications companies, but counties

46:29

like Genesee get to pocket

46:31

some of the revenue. Carrick

46:33

DeSantis calls it a kickback scheme.

46:36

The theory behind these contracts seems to

46:39

be if you stop kids

46:41

from visiting their parents in person, these

46:43

desperate families will be forced to spend

46:45

more money on phone and video calls.

46:48

This is Raquila's first time in jail. She

46:51

says her son's father physically abused

46:53

her for years, leaving this scar.

46:56

She's accused of violently retaliating against

46:58

him after she says he attacked

47:01

her in February. It

47:03

was a fight or flight moment. I never thought

47:05

that I would do anything like

47:07

that. Raquila couldn't afford bail,

47:09

so this screen is the closest she

47:12

can get to seeing her children. How

47:14

does it feel that someone is making

47:16

money, office? It

47:19

feels disheartening. It feels criminal.

47:22

I feel it's greed. Greed.

47:25

Sheriff Chris Swanson runs the jail and

47:28

was a strong supporter of the policy

47:30

when it began ten years ago. He

47:33

is personally named in the lawsuit. How

47:35

much money is the county making from

47:37

video visits right now? Over

47:39

400,000. What was the

47:41

reasoning behind it? Money.

47:46

I became the undershare for 2010. We

47:49

had to cut 10% of our budget. When

47:51

it came to the revenue, it was very attractive. And

47:53

it still is to sheriffs across the country. But

47:56

we're going to change that. And by

47:58

change that, sheriffs want to make money. Benson

48:00

meant now. In our interview, he

48:02

told me that he believes he made

48:05

a mistake and regardless of how the

48:07

court rules, he says he's reversing course,

48:09

reinstating in-person visits starting

48:12

next month. We're going

48:14

to return to in-person visits and

48:16

we're going to reinvest our revenues back to

48:18

lowering costs for jail calls and video visitations.

48:20

You're going to be leaving money on the

48:22

table. Okay, I hate this part of this.

48:24

I love this piece, but the end of

48:26

it is this like puff piece about this

48:29

guy. He wouldn't have sat down for it

48:31

with a call. Of course, right. I know,

48:33

I know. Nice watch,

48:35

Sheriff. Right. Right. Speaking of reinvestment. Yeah, reinvestment

48:37

in this bling. I don't know. I mean,

48:39

could you just put it on the screen?

48:45

Look at this guy. Look at that watch. Look

48:48

at that watch. I love

48:50

that. I love that he was like, no, yes, I'm

48:52

extremely evil. Right. I mean, and

48:55

he sat down with him and he admitted

48:57

it was about the money. So the value

48:59

of that to have some, you know, he,

49:01

oh, I realized the wrong way is tapped

49:03

on the end is I'm sure NBC needed

49:05

that and I'm not begrudging them. I just

49:07

don't want to subject you guys to that.

49:09

When you're the Genesee County Sheriff and on

49:11

your schedule for the week is Lester Holt

49:13

coming down to interview you, I think you

49:15

want to change course particularly quickly so you

49:17

can go back to doing the insidious stuff

49:19

that you're already doing. Yeah. That

49:21

isn't as high profile. Yeah. This is

49:25

just by the way, people are pointing this

49:27

out. Mr. Melancholy, well,

49:29

actually that's not the right I am,

49:31

but this is a good thought.

49:33

Seems like it's cruel and unusual punishment to

49:35

deny people to see their children in person,

49:38

let alone the corrupt nature on top. Absolutely.

49:40

But CHR writes in Genesee County includes Flint.

49:42

The amount of crap folks in Flint have

49:44

gone through already makes this extra

49:46

blood boiling, which is exactly right. And

49:49

this is in the north. Michigan

49:51

and Flint, of course, no angels

49:54

there, but the amount of abuses

49:57

that happen in prisons in Louisiana.

1:06:06

We are back and we

1:06:09

are joined by Matt Lieb,

1:06:11

the host of the Bad

1:06:13

Hasbro podcast, which I have

1:06:16

been a part of. I joined for a

1:06:18

really fun episode at one point and also

1:06:20

the husband of Friend of the

1:06:22

Show, Francesca Fiorentini. I mean, I probably

1:06:24

should have led with that as

1:06:26

a, you know, because- That's my first credit.

1:06:28

That's my most important credit. Cuck. And-

1:06:32

I'm a simp. Born simp. Or

1:06:34

simp, either one. Your

1:06:37

podcast is phenomenal. I mean, you know, when

1:06:39

I'm looking for a defense of Israel, I

1:06:41

go to you. Yeah.

1:06:45

I want to thank you so much

1:06:47

for having me on your show. Didn't

1:06:50

know that I was signing up to

1:06:52

be on the anti-Israel report, but I'm

1:06:55

very excited for whatever

1:06:58

kind of, you know, pro

1:07:01

Hamas propaganda we're going to be talking

1:07:03

about here. Right. Also,

1:07:06

I see that Sam Cedar isn't here.

1:07:08

I guess you don't want

1:07:10

to have too many Jews on one show.

1:07:13

Is that what's going on? Kind of.

1:07:16

I said, no, no, no, no, no

1:07:18

two Jews. Only one Jew. Yeah.

1:07:21

Only one Jew at a time here at the minority

1:07:25

deport. That's what I'm calling it. Yep.

1:07:28

Well, I think it's called racial

1:07:30

quotas. Okay. So we obviously adhere

1:07:33

to racial quotas. So,

1:07:35

you know, what's what's how's the

1:07:37

Zionist project going, Matt? I mean, kind

1:07:40

of- Great. Seems like seems like stuff's

1:07:42

falling apart a little bit, but- No,

1:07:45

that's your you're you're watching the wrong

1:07:47

news, obviously. And you're you know, you're

1:07:50

reading the wrong human rights reports. So

1:07:54

if you read the correct ones,

1:07:57

then you'll find out that actually everything's

1:07:59

going pretty- pretty great. You

1:08:02

know, everyone's happy. I don't know if you ever

1:08:04

check out the Israel Twitter

1:08:06

feed, the official Twitter feed of Israel,

1:08:09

but on a regular basis they

1:08:11

like to do like a listing

1:08:13

of like some website

1:08:16

does the happiest countries and

1:08:19

Israel is always in the top five.

1:08:21

So I mean if that's

1:08:23

not proof what else

1:08:25

is proof that Israel is happy? Well,

1:08:29

that's all I care about is Israel

1:08:31

being happy obviously. But so

1:08:35

you know people can be happy for

1:08:37

different reasons like people who are on

1:08:39

say LSD can be happy but does

1:08:42

it mean they're in reality? I mean

1:08:45

listen the people can be on heroin

1:08:48

and be happy. I was on heroin

1:08:50

for a long long time and I

1:08:52

was super happy. Yeah. And then you

1:08:54

know it got a little too much

1:08:57

and eventually I sobered up. You know

1:08:59

and then October 7th happens

1:09:01

and I sobered up again but this time

1:09:04

pro-Israel. So Zionism is like heroin

1:09:06

in a way. You know

1:09:09

you think you've kicked your habit after

1:09:11

going to college and

1:09:13

then something happens in the news and

1:09:16

you become a fascist. Yeah

1:09:18

so all right all kidding

1:09:21

aside I'm abandoning that now.

1:09:23

Your show is basically

1:09:26

in reaction to I don't

1:09:28

know we've talked about

1:09:30

this a little bit but some of

1:09:32

the conversations that you've had with people

1:09:35

in your life that have been frustrating. Well

1:09:37

what is Hasbro? Can you tell our audience

1:09:40

what that even is? Yeah.

1:09:42

Like what really prompted you to start

1:09:44

your show? So Hasbro is

1:09:46

loosely like the

1:09:50

Hebrew word for explaining.

1:09:52

So to explain what's

1:09:55

going on with Israel is basically what's

1:09:58

implicit in that. It's a euphemism. for

1:10:00

propaganda and it

1:10:02

says specifically Israeli propaganda. And

1:10:05

yeah, it is, I started

1:10:08

doing the show because

1:10:11

it was something I wanted to do for a long

1:10:13

time. I actually wanted other people to do it just

1:10:15

to show in which, you know, kind

1:10:18

of weekly or biweekly covers just

1:10:21

the alternate reality that Zionists

1:10:23

kind of live in. And

1:10:26

I wanted someone else to do it because

1:10:28

I was like, it sounds like a lot

1:10:30

of work and I'd

1:10:33

rather just listen to it. It

1:10:36

sounds like fun, someone should do that. And also

1:10:39

there's not much of an audience for it. You

1:10:41

know, it was like me and, you know, five

1:10:43

other anti-Zionist Jews who would be

1:10:45

actually listening. And then October 7th

1:10:47

happened and I just kind of watched a lot of

1:10:50

people that I knew who

1:10:53

were, if

1:10:55

not self-described liberal Zionists, they

1:10:58

were, you know, liberal and

1:11:00

also had a little bit of Zionism in them. And

1:11:02

I just watched it flip to just kind of like

1:11:04

full on fascist mentality, you

1:11:06

know. And- So

1:11:09

what's that like, what are, look, I'm

1:11:11

not Jewish so I don't have family

1:11:13

members that I'm have to have these

1:11:15

conversations with. I have other people, but

1:11:17

it's, I think it's probably a little

1:11:20

bit different for you also growing

1:11:22

up Jewish and like all- Well, I grew

1:11:24

up secular. Yeah, so

1:11:26

I didn't grow up religious at all. Like

1:11:30

being Jewish was an

1:11:32

ethnic thing and a cultural thing. And

1:11:35

Zionism was also very

1:11:37

intrinsic to that because Zionism

1:11:40

itself wasn't about being religiously Jewish.

1:11:42

It was about kind of

1:11:44

being like an ethnic safe haven

1:11:46

for Jews. That was kind of the way it

1:11:48

was pitched. So it was

1:11:50

almost served as a replacement

1:11:53

for being religiously

1:11:56

Jewish. It was like, you know, at some

1:11:58

point, we're all gonna have a- have to move

1:12:00

there. When the Nazis come to power, that's

1:12:03

where we got to go. And anyone who's

1:12:05

against that idea clearly must

1:12:07

be anti-Semitic or

1:12:11

be a Nazi themselves. So

1:12:13

it took a while for me to kind

1:12:16

of slowly pull out of this

1:12:19

idea that Israel

1:12:22

exists for the purpose of me

1:12:24

as someone who grew

1:12:26

up in Culver City, Los Angeles, to

1:12:30

one day move there as a

1:12:32

safe haven and that anything they do in

1:12:34

order to ensure that someday I'll move there

1:12:36

is justified. Which is, yeah. Yeah.

1:12:40

Like, what were some of the

1:12:43

most frustrating arguments that you encountered after October

1:12:45

7th in some of these personal conversations? Just

1:12:47

off the top of your head. Yeah.

1:12:50

Well, there's a lot. The

1:12:53

biggest one was talking

1:12:55

to people who immediately

1:12:57

turned into a baby after October

1:13:00

7th. And what I mean by

1:13:02

that is like their brains went

1:13:04

from like being, I think, like

1:13:07

critical people,

1:13:09

like they did a lot of critical thinking to

1:13:13

being completely helpless

1:13:15

little wieners where they

1:13:17

were just like, well, what's Israel supposed to

1:13:19

do? Like, you know,

1:13:21

they were attacked. And now it's like, there's

1:13:24

nothing else they can do. And I

1:13:26

always tell them, I'm like, well, there's

1:13:28

certainly something between nothing and genocide, right?

1:13:31

Like just right in between that. You

1:13:34

can't justify anything

1:13:36

that they do. And

1:13:39

so it was like talking

1:13:41

to people who decided that

1:13:44

they were going to just like leave their brain

1:13:46

at the door and just

1:13:48

kind of again, you know,

1:13:50

just go with whatever

1:13:53

the Zionist crowd

1:13:55

around them was going with. So, you

1:13:57

know, they were repeating all the same.

1:14:00

slogans, all the same talking points, all the same

1:14:02

kind of like bad faith questions. Like what's, what

1:14:05

would you do if you were the prime

1:14:07

minister of Israel? Wouldn't you do the same

1:14:09

thing? And, and I

1:14:11

also found people doing, um, like

1:14:13

really dated Hasbara.

1:14:16

Um, like I was talking to people, uh, one

1:14:19

person who will remain nameless, uh,

1:14:23

uh, who is

1:14:26

since October 7th now talks a

1:14:28

lot about, uh, how pro

1:14:31

Israel they are when before they were

1:14:33

seemingly a progressive. Um,

1:14:36

and, uh, and he

1:14:38

was like repeating

1:14:42

talking points that, you

1:14:44

know, only someone who had literally never

1:14:46

read a single thing about Israel would

1:14:48

say. And I know that's not him.

1:14:50

Like he would say like, well, you

1:14:52

know, uh, Gaza is

1:14:54

not occupied. You got, you

1:14:57

know, the settlements left in 2005 and then

1:14:59

there was a Hamas coup and

1:15:03

they've been at war ever since. And I'm just

1:15:05

like, I know you know

1:15:08

that that is not the actual narrative

1:15:10

of what happened. Like, I,

1:15:13

and, and I know, you know, what

1:15:15

an occupation is beyond the fact that

1:15:17

settlements, uh, left Gaza.

1:15:21

So what are we actually doing

1:15:23

here? And, uh, the answer is

1:15:25

defending Israel, uh, at

1:15:27

all costs. Um,

1:15:29

like, so Israel is clearly

1:15:31

not a safe space for

1:15:33

Jewish people. Uh, you know, like America's

1:15:37

pretty safe for Jewish people. Yeah.

1:15:39

Like most places in the West don't

1:15:41

have, uh, you know, like giant mass

1:15:43

killings of Jews in the last, you

1:15:45

know, however many decades, not to say

1:15:47

that that's not something that couldn't happen

1:15:49

again. Uh, and of course

1:15:52

that's something that, uh, should be

1:15:54

guarded against, but the idea that Israel

1:15:57

is the one that's going to keep Jews safe. is

1:16:00

based on what? What have they done?

1:16:03

Like that? Have they known an

1:16:07

IDF soldier has never like been air dropped

1:16:09

into like my high school to tell the

1:16:12

kids to stop to stop

1:16:14

like poking at my nose, you know? What?

1:16:16

What are they? What is what?

1:16:19

How are they

1:16:22

keeping me safe? I don't understand. Like

1:16:24

once you get past the idea that

1:16:26

it is like, just

1:16:28

on its face ridiculous to think

1:16:31

that Israel is a

1:16:34

place that will protect

1:16:36

Jews like somehow a state is

1:16:39

going to be a safe haven for Jews and

1:16:41

like once you get once you

1:16:44

get past that you realize like well what is

1:16:46

what is this whole narrative about at

1:16:48

all if if it doesn't actually

1:16:51

guard against antisemitism and it

1:16:53

actually exports a lot of antisemitism

1:16:55

then what is actually the point

1:16:57

of this project? It makes no sense. It's

1:17:00

almost like a utopian vision, I

1:17:02

guess that has I I'm

1:17:06

trying not to overstep with it. But

1:17:08

like, is it a it's almost like

1:17:10

a heaven like perception of I or

1:17:13

I mean, like the way it's sold to

1:17:15

us is that and that's

1:17:18

that's how it's sold. This is just

1:17:20

like, you know, it's a land it's

1:17:22

like fubu but for the Jews. It's

1:17:24

like for us by us, you know,

1:17:26

and when you go

1:17:28

there, you do feel that

1:17:31

like it is it's why the

1:17:33

birthright trip is so effective because you go there

1:17:35

and you're just like, Oh my god, just like

1:17:37

it's a whole country made out of camp

1:17:39

songs. And and so

1:17:41

you're like, you're stoked

1:17:43

because you've never seen, you know,

1:17:45

anything quite like and

1:17:48

the reason you haven't

1:17:50

is because it's because it's

1:17:52

fake. Right? Like it's

1:17:55

not. Did you go on birthright?

1:17:57

I did. I did. What was that experience?

1:18:00

like magical. It

1:18:03

was a magical experience, magical time.

1:18:06

You know it was for me it was kind of radicalized

1:18:11

me. Like

1:18:15

I went there with a group of

1:18:18

Jews that were like me, just

1:18:20

like you know it was like secular, you

1:18:24

know half Jews, like

1:18:26

people who were

1:18:30

more Zionist than

1:18:32

they were I guess like Jewish

1:18:35

in a way. Like

1:18:38

it was people who wanted to feel

1:18:40

that connection, you know what I mean?

1:18:42

And that's I think what they're really

1:18:44

good at preying on is like this

1:18:46

idea of wanting that kind of community, that

1:18:49

kind of brotherhood. You know we're all brothers

1:18:51

here, we're all you know we all share

1:18:53

the same story and all that. And when

1:18:57

you go there

1:18:59

you quickly like realize

1:19:01

that they're essentially selling you

1:19:03

a timeshare for like someone

1:19:06

else's house, you know? And

1:19:09

it was wild like I there

1:19:12

was one instance

1:19:14

in which it was very clear

1:19:16

they were like trying to sell us stuff. It

1:19:19

was it was like do you ever see

1:19:21

the interview that

1:19:23

movie with Seth Rogen where they go

1:19:25

to North Korea? Yes, yes, yes. Okay

1:19:28

and you know the way they sell North Korea

1:19:30

and kind of like the Western news is like

1:19:32

everything there's fake. You go to a grocery store

1:19:34

and it's fake and you know all the people

1:19:36

pretend to be happy. It was

1:19:39

kind of like that but for real

1:19:41

like we were at a we were on

1:19:43

the the bus going up

1:19:45

to like Haifa or something and

1:19:47

they had to stop off and get gas

1:19:50

and they were like go in and

1:19:52

you know buy some snacks at the gas

1:19:54

station and you know talk to people. You

1:19:56

know ask them you know what it's like

1:19:58

to live in Israel. Israel. And

1:20:01

so I went in and I bought

1:20:03

some candy and at the front counter, I was

1:20:06

talked to the guy. I said, so what's it?

1:20:09

What's it like living in Israel?

1:20:11

And he goes, well,

1:20:14

I'm a gay Palestinian Arab. And

1:20:19

if I didn't live in Israel, there

1:20:21

was no Israel. I'd be dead. Because,

1:20:24

you know, Arabs hate

1:20:26

gay people. And here

1:20:28

I can be safe. So it's also,

1:20:30

you know, like a land for gay

1:20:33

people. And I

1:20:35

was watching it and I was like looking

1:20:38

around like this is

1:20:40

the fakest shit I've ever seen. It

1:20:42

was like so clearly a plant. It

1:20:44

was so clearly because they told

1:20:49

us to go in there and start asking,

1:20:51

there's one guy there and he speaks perfect

1:20:54

English. And

1:20:56

the first question being like, how do you

1:20:58

like living in Israel? And then he just

1:21:01

goes off on this very scripted thing about

1:21:03

how Oh, my God.

1:21:05

Israel is a safe haven for all of

1:21:07

the the gays of the world. And I was just

1:21:09

like, it was so

1:21:11

egregious that for a while I was like that maybe

1:21:14

it wasn't a plant like because I just couldn't

1:21:16

in my heart, I was like that

1:21:19

that would be so embarrassing if they actually

1:21:21

like set that up. And, you know, as

1:21:23

I kind of like came

1:21:25

down from that trip, like, you know, emotionally

1:21:28

in my head, I was like, that was

1:21:30

the craziest thing I've ever seen. I've never

1:21:32

I've never experienced like that

1:21:35

level of trying to trick you into into

1:21:38

believing into a right wing political

1:21:40

project. Did your your friends on

1:21:42

the trip have to do that exercise

1:21:45

too? Like, did they go? I mean, I was

1:21:47

I was yeah, I was with other people at the time.

1:21:51

I think we all just kind of were

1:21:53

like, yeah, exactly. Uh huh. Like that was

1:21:55

like, yeah, totally. That is that is what

1:21:57

I've heard about Arabs.

1:22:00

and how they're bad and how

1:22:02

this place is good. And, you

1:22:04

know, there wasn't like, we

1:22:06

didn't debrief from that. And I remember just sitting

1:22:08

there kind of just being like, yeah,

1:22:11

that was probably, that was real. That'd be, that'd

1:22:13

be weird if that wasn't real. That's yeah, that

1:22:15

was like, we, it's when a lie

1:22:17

is big enough. It's kind of like in the

1:22:19

last eight months, the amount

1:22:21

of confident gas lighting where

1:22:24

they are like, not only saying,

1:22:27

you know, we didn't bond

1:22:30

that hospital, but like also like, how dare

1:22:32

you? Like, of course we didn't. Like,

1:22:35

look at me. I would

1:22:37

never. And you're just like,

1:22:39

yeah, I believe them because they

1:22:41

seem, I don't know.

1:22:43

They just seem like me. They're like me. I

1:22:46

also wouldn't bomb a hospital. Uh,

1:22:48

and then a day later they're like,

1:22:51

well, we have to bomb hospitals. Right.

1:22:53

Right. Because there's terrorists holding

1:22:56

hostages in there and you're

1:22:58

just like, but you,

1:23:00

but you said, and you cried, you

1:23:04

said, you cried and you

1:23:06

made me think. And so like you,

1:23:08

you want to believe people and

1:23:11

you want to, it's like, uh, and that's

1:23:13

kind of was the thing with that trip

1:23:15

was like the sincerity of it. Everyone was

1:23:17

like, just so sincere. We even went to

1:23:19

one of the apartheid walls and

1:23:21

they were just kind of like, this is,

1:23:24

this is the reality that we live

1:23:26

with. I know it's tragic. It sucks.

1:23:29

I'm such a fucking. Well, I,

1:23:31

I, I spoke to a liberal Zionist that

1:23:33

I'm close with who didn't even want to

1:23:35

say the word apartheid. So, um, well, yeah,

1:23:38

that's at least an improvement, but maybe on

1:23:40

the physical walls in front of you, you

1:23:42

got to be like, they didn't say apartheid.

1:23:44

They said, I, I knew it was an

1:23:47

apartheid wall. They're like, this is our, our,

1:23:49

uh, security wall, our white picket security fence.

1:23:54

And they were, uh, you know, but they do the thing where

1:23:56

they're like, man, this is, this is the sad

1:23:58

reality. we have to

1:24:01

do this because as

1:24:03

you know, they're demons. You

1:24:06

know, I mean, that's like what's implied.

1:24:09

And so it's like the way in

1:24:11

which the sincerity of it and the

1:24:13

kind of like appeal to your, not

1:24:16

just like your own empathy

1:24:18

and Western sentiments, but also like the

1:24:20

fact that they look like you and they talk

1:24:22

like you and they sound like you, maybe

1:24:26

with a funny accent, but they,

1:24:29

you're like, yeah, we're the same.

1:24:33

It gets you to kind of like really

1:24:35

drop your guard. And, you know, I

1:24:38

think especially when it comes to like doing

1:24:40

Hasbara, it works because you

1:24:43

want to believe someone who says all

1:24:46

the nice things and speaks, you know,

1:24:48

like not just

1:24:51

rationally, but also empathetically about

1:24:53

something, but it's an empathetic

1:24:55

defense of atrocities. And

1:24:58

in their way of communicating

1:25:01

it, you start

1:25:03

believing, well, maybe

1:25:05

they're not atrocities. Maybe I just don't

1:25:08

understand something. Maybe I'm too stupid to

1:25:10

understand why sometimes it's okay to imprison

1:25:12

2.2 million people. Like

1:25:15

maybe there's like a good reason for that. Cause why

1:25:17

would, you know, why

1:25:19

would they be so adamant about it?

1:25:21

Sincere about it, you know, like they're not,

1:25:24

they're not foaming at the mouth. They're

1:25:26

like, they're like into yoga and

1:25:29

shit. It's the banality

1:25:31

of evil to, I mean, it

1:25:33

really is, right? And what

1:25:35

I am curious about is like

1:25:38

for liberal Zionism, there's this

1:25:40

emotional quality that I don't

1:25:42

fully understand, but it's

1:25:44

almost as if calling

1:25:46

the Israeli settler project a

1:25:49

racist one is so like anathema.

1:25:54

It's so far off from

1:25:57

people who identify as liberal because

1:25:59

of... like the Holocaust and the atrocities

1:26:01

that Jewish people have gone through. And because

1:26:03

like the lessons that were learned were good

1:26:05

in the sense of one of the

1:26:07

most liberal voting blocs in

1:26:09

this country are Jewish Americans. Right. And

1:26:11

so there's like racism is bad, right?

1:26:14

The conception of being,

1:26:16

you know, somebody who's enlightened as a

1:26:19

liberal Jewish person in this country means

1:26:21

I don't like racism, but

1:26:23

it's so, and so it's so

1:26:25

core to an identity that

1:26:29

it becomes like this really like

1:26:31

emotional heavy lift for them that

1:26:33

they can't really grapple with that

1:26:35

I find to be like

1:26:37

a psychological marvel, to be honest. Yeah,

1:26:40

it's kind of amazing. It's the

1:26:43

I didn't realize, I think, the

1:26:46

depth of programming for some

1:26:48

people. And, you

1:26:50

know, and I think like, you

1:26:53

know, I have, I actually have empathy

1:26:55

for it because I can't

1:26:58

claim to know

1:27:01

what it's like to I mean,

1:27:04

I guess for me, I just go like, fuck, maybe

1:27:06

if I had like been

1:27:08

to Hebrew school a bunch, I

1:27:11

think, you know, maybe it'd be different

1:27:13

for me. Maybe that's but instead, because,

1:27:15

you know, my family had

1:27:18

no religion growing up, like,

1:27:20

I feel like maybe I, I just

1:27:24

was not, I'm just

1:27:26

not as committed to the idea

1:27:29

that the way everyone else seems to be. I

1:27:31

don't know what it is. I truly I can't

1:27:34

quite explain it other than

1:27:36

the fact that like, you

1:27:38

are so as a

1:27:41

liberal attached to your self conception

1:27:43

as I am. I'm good. I

1:27:46

do good thing. I recycle. I

1:27:49

cut soda can holders.

1:27:51

So turtle and fish don't

1:27:54

swim into it. You know, I put

1:27:57

black square on. on

1:28:00

an Instagram. Yeah,

1:28:02

like I'm good. I'm good.

1:28:05

And then to have

1:28:08

this like core belief question about

1:28:10

like the right of

1:28:12

Israel to defend

1:28:15

itself. When that

1:28:17

gets questioned, they're just like, no, that

1:28:20

has to be good because I want them to

1:28:22

do it. And I'm good. Anything

1:28:24

I like is good. So

1:28:28

everyone else must be bad because I have

1:28:30

a commitment to, you know,

1:28:33

fighting racism, you know, fighting

1:28:35

sexism, fighting homophobia. And so

1:28:39

I think like you

1:28:41

really see how deep the

1:28:44

egotism and narcissism goes within

1:28:46

like American liberals. And broadly,

1:28:48

right. Yeah,

1:28:51

just broadly. And, you know,

1:28:53

I feel like with

1:28:55

a lot of liberals who aren't Zionists who aren't

1:28:59

like, well, they're definitely ones who aren't Jewish,

1:29:01

but ones who haven't been brought

1:29:03

up with it. I think

1:29:05

a lot of them, they will passively

1:29:08

support, you know, they're passive Zionists. They,

1:29:10

you know, they're like, well, you know, I don't

1:29:12

know, Biden. If Biden says,

1:29:14

then good. Because Biden good. But

1:29:17

you see them in general, they have the same

1:29:19

feelings when, you know, someone

1:29:23

tells them to check their privilege and they're just

1:29:25

like, oh, I didn't know

1:29:27

that I could go full Nazi, but now

1:29:29

I'm gonna like, you know, it's very easy.

1:29:32

They say like, you know, scratch a liberal and

1:29:35

a fascist. And it's like,

1:29:37

I've never seen a more clear example than

1:29:39

the last eight months. Just right.

1:29:41

Fascist are bleeding everywhere. God damn. Yeah.

1:29:45

Yeah. I am also

1:29:47

curious to have. Have

1:29:49

you now seen some silence?

1:29:51

Because I feel like December,

1:29:53

January ish on the liberal

1:29:56

Zionists stopped posting for

1:29:58

the most part. I mean, we get. We got

1:30:00

the thank God for those hostages coming

1:30:03

home before. Oh, yeah. Yeah,

1:30:05

yeah, yeah. Rescued, which they could have

1:30:07

been rescued via ceasefire, but

1:30:10

they wanted to kill nearly 300 Palestinians

1:30:12

in the process. Then you don't get

1:30:14

to kill a bunch of people. Right, right. I

1:30:16

know that would have sucked. That would suck. Yeah.

1:30:19

I hurt my feelings. Oh, yeah. Come on. Why

1:30:22

don't we do that? We could just kill them.

1:30:25

Yeah. No, I've seen silence. I've

1:30:28

definitely seen, you know, like people

1:30:31

go from, you know, posting

1:30:35

a bunch in on the first three months

1:30:37

to kind of like slowly tapering off, only

1:30:39

to like pop up again whenever there's an

1:30:41

article released that says like, you

1:30:44

know, Palestinian,

1:30:46

you know, Hamas

1:30:48

commander says, I

1:30:50

want my people to die. I'm bad. And

1:30:54

and they're like, see? And then they

1:30:57

just go back into hiding. Yes.

1:30:59

Retreat into the shadows. But do

1:31:01

you think they're uncomfortable at all right now?

1:31:03

I'm hoping I I I

1:31:06

don't know because they have stopped

1:31:08

texting me back, Emma. Yeah. Yeah.

1:31:10

Yeah. Yeah.

1:31:13

I mean, I would imagine

1:31:15

so. The problem

1:31:17

is and you know, this is why

1:31:19

I still try to talk to people

1:31:22

just interpersonally, like people I know

1:31:24

who are liberal Zionists who, you

1:31:27

know, supported this early on vocally.

1:31:31

I try to talk to them because I don't want them to

1:31:33

do the thing that I think a lot of liberal

1:31:36

Zionists will do, which is like

1:31:40

section off into their own bubble

1:31:43

and then have their very nuanced

1:31:46

like take on why like it's

1:31:50

this this is bad because

1:31:52

killing people is bad,

1:31:55

especially innocent people, baby.

1:31:58

But. But isn't

1:32:01

it crazy how many anti-Semites are

1:32:03

on college campuses? Like they get

1:32:05

to live in their nuanced bubble.

1:32:07

I experienced this when I was

1:32:11

younger, back when Facebook was a

1:32:13

thing, where

1:32:17

before I felt comfortable

1:32:20

talking in

1:32:22

public to people about my thoughts about Israel, I

1:32:25

only wanted to talk with other Jews about it,

1:32:27

it was the only place where I felt safe

1:32:31

that I was talking to people who

1:32:34

didn't want Jews to die. I

1:32:37

knew they weren't anti-Semites, and yes,

1:32:39

Jews can be anti-Semites of course,

1:32:42

but it was like... Well,

1:32:44

they don't understand this group,

1:32:47

even if they are well-meaning,

1:32:50

and for the Palestinians, they don't understand

1:32:52

what we've gone through, and

1:32:54

they could never understand. And

1:32:56

also, it was just a deep

1:32:59

paranoia about people when they talked

1:33:01

about Israel. I was like, why

1:33:03

do you care so much? What's

1:33:06

the big deal? There's so many things

1:33:08

going on. Why

1:33:10

don't you talk about whatever's happening in Africa?

1:33:16

They never say anything when... You

1:33:18

know how black crime... That

1:33:20

was the feeling, where they're just like, talk

1:33:23

about anything else. So I would feel

1:33:25

that, I would be like, I'm suspicious.

1:33:29

And then eventually, I

1:33:31

just kind of came out of

1:33:33

it, because I was just like, this feels like... Everything

1:33:36

feels like I'm guarding myself against

1:33:39

this greater truth that's going to

1:33:41

destroy... Kind of a

1:33:43

pillar of my own ideology in a

1:33:46

way, this idea of Israel as this beautiful thing

1:33:48

that was created to help all Jews. And

1:33:53

I just was so afraid

1:33:57

of losing it that I... I

1:34:00

only wanted to talk to other Jews about it

1:34:03

and I only wanted to like, you know, stay

1:34:05

in my own bubble. And

1:34:08

my fear is that people are

1:34:10

at that stage and they could

1:34:12

easily revert backwards because

1:34:15

like a bubble of people can

1:34:17

be radicalizing in

1:34:20

both directions, like you don't know where it could go.

1:34:22

So I try

1:34:24

to, I still try to talk

1:34:26

to liberal Zionists in my life and

1:34:29

and come at them with,

1:34:31

you know, empathy and understanding

1:34:35

because I don't want them to just talk to each

1:34:37

other because they will stay

1:34:40

supporting the status quo. And

1:34:42

then they'll like, you know, as

1:34:45

a crumb to the Palestinian cause they'll say,

1:34:47

but I hate Netanyahu. Yeah,

1:34:49

I know. He's crazy. Well,

1:34:53

but I so but so my

1:34:55

advice, your advice to me would probably not to

1:34:57

be to try that because I've tried to talk

1:34:59

and I don't think as

1:35:01

the most moral Gentile, as

1:35:04

I talk all myself on your most

1:35:06

moral podcast. That's right. Right. But

1:35:08

like as somebody who's not a part of that

1:35:10

community, I think it's hard, you

1:35:12

know, I want to have those conversations. I think you

1:35:14

would still have them. I don't, I

1:35:17

do not discourage conversations. I don't say, oh

1:35:19

no, only Jews should talk. I actually think

1:35:21

it's better for,

1:35:24

you know, people to for

1:35:29

anyone. Anyone doesn't matter race,

1:35:31

religion, ethnicity, culture, whatever. Just like if

1:35:34

you have friends who you

1:35:37

know, not like online people,

1:35:39

not talking parasocial. You will never

1:35:41

be able to convince someone online

1:35:45

to take you seriously. But like if

1:35:47

you know somebody call them and it

1:35:49

is okay to talk to to talk to them. And if

1:35:51

they're like, you know,

1:35:54

obviously triggering you or fucking

1:35:56

you up, then yeah, you don't have to have toxic

1:35:58

people in your life. But

1:36:01

I don't discourage people from doing it.

1:36:03

So I wouldn't say, nah, don't do it. I'm

1:36:06

just saying, you know, like, that

1:36:11

is gonna be a roadblock always.

1:36:15

Just the idea that like,

1:36:17

well, but are you secretly

1:36:19

harboring anti-Semitic feelings? You know,

1:36:21

and it's really,

1:36:23

it's annoying because

1:36:25

that paranoia is

1:36:29

not, I

1:36:31

think it's good for people in general

1:36:33

to, you know, look

1:36:35

out for anti-Semitism, you

1:36:38

know, but I also feel like it

1:36:41

is this defense mechanism against the critical thinking

1:36:43

when it comes to this specific issue. And

1:36:46

this specific issue is not just like, oh,

1:36:48

some weird little thing. It's

1:36:50

like a genocide is happening. You

1:36:52

gotta actually start like critically

1:36:58

thinking about this now. You can't

1:37:00

just be a passive Zionist anymore.

1:37:02

Like, you know, at this

1:37:04

point when someone just

1:37:06

screams like, you know, fuck

1:37:08

Zionists, fuck Zionism, no

1:37:10

Zionists allowed in this space. Like

1:37:13

you need to sit there for

1:37:15

a second and go like, are

1:37:17

they actually saying no Jews? Or

1:37:20

are they talking about a

1:37:22

specific far right fascist political

1:37:24

ideology? And once

1:37:26

you realize that, then I think,

1:37:30

at least I would hope you

1:37:32

could. We're hoping. Yeah, stop thinking

1:37:35

everything's anti-Semitic now. So

1:37:37

we'll end here. We have

1:37:39

this clip from 1980s apartheid South Africa, and

1:37:43

there's so many parallels in terms

1:37:45

of how these white South Africans

1:37:47

are referring to black

1:37:50

people in South Africa. And

1:37:52

I'm just wondering if this brings up

1:37:54

and invokes any memories from your birthright

1:37:57

trip and some of the other conversations that you

1:37:59

have. I just jump in with the last

1:38:01

conversation. I think the point of this is to say, it's

1:38:03

not your fault as Jews, it's

1:38:07

the fault as colonial occupiers. Because

1:38:10

what these Afrikaners say here, I

1:38:12

think, well, we'll play it. It

1:38:15

sounds strikingly familiar with how you rationalize

1:38:18

other stuff. No, that

1:38:22

if there is not the strength of will

1:38:24

on the part of the Afrikaner, to

1:38:27

follow the course is chosen. And

1:38:29

to do it to a certain

1:38:31

extent ruthlessly.

1:38:35

Although I would say, we will

1:38:38

always try to justify vis-a-vis

1:38:40

certain moral principles. But if

1:38:42

this is missing, I

1:38:44

mean, we have lost. Then we

1:38:46

must capitulate, then we have no

1:38:48

policy. The Afrikaners of European stock,

1:38:51

our traditions are European, but

1:38:53

we evolved a different set of

1:38:55

traditions to suit our being

1:38:58

an African people now. And

1:39:01

we differ from the English in

1:39:03

small respects, but we differ very

1:39:05

greatly from the other peoples who

1:39:07

inhabit this country. Yes, I

1:39:09

think that each man has been given his piece

1:39:11

of country and the right to

1:39:14

vote in his country. And that is fair. Because

1:39:16

if you have to put, if we have

1:39:18

to say one man, one vote in

1:39:20

South Africa, and just leave it open, then

1:39:25

the white is not going to get a fair share

1:39:27

because he has contributed economically

1:39:31

to making this country what it is today. And

1:39:34

if you say tomorrow, one man, one vote,

1:39:36

then he doesn't, there

1:39:38

is no chance for him. So

1:39:41

it's better that each person be

1:39:43

given the chance to have

1:39:46

his piece of country and decide what, how he

1:39:48

wants to live and what he wants to do

1:39:50

with his country there. Beautiful.

1:39:56

I mean, it's the exact same fucking thing.

1:39:59

It's like. I don't know

1:40:01

how, like down to the fact that

1:40:03

they also have a silly accent. I'm

1:40:05

like, how do you

1:40:08

not, it is, it is unbelievable

1:40:10

the, you know, the parallels. At

1:40:12

this point, the only argument that

1:40:15

Israel isn't apartheid is,

1:40:17

well, no, because apartheid only applies to

1:40:19

one thing ever in the history of

1:40:22

the world. Same with genocide. I mean, we

1:40:24

heard that, who was saying it yesterday? There's

1:40:27

no gas chamber, so it can't be a genocide.

1:40:29

Right. Blanking on who it was. But

1:40:32

that also means that, you know, every

1:40:34

other genocide that wasn't the Holocaust is not one either.

1:40:36

Exactly. It's just like

1:40:39

this insane semantics game where

1:40:41

you can, you know, label

1:40:43

something, you know, something a little

1:40:46

bit more, I don't know, like

1:40:49

less charged. It's a way of

1:40:51

doing euphemisms, you know, that's all

1:40:53

this is. You look at that video and

1:40:55

they're saying the exact same argument, which is

1:40:59

on its face, an anti-democratic argument.

1:41:02

It is just like, well, no, you can't, you

1:41:04

can't, you know, let everybody vote because

1:41:07

then they'll like. She said it there.

1:41:10

The one person, one vote, we can't have

1:41:12

that happen. And that's

1:41:14

what makes it so the only democracy in the

1:41:16

Middle East. That's what's so insane. That's what I'm

1:41:18

saying. It's an

1:41:20

inversion of it. And that's how deep

1:41:22

the propaganda goes when you're saying something

1:41:25

is one thing, when it's actually the

1:41:27

opposite thing. It's

1:41:30

it. How do you penetrate that? Because it's just

1:41:32

like you're living in the upside down world. Yes.

1:41:36

And it's like, you know, one of

1:41:38

the reasons why I wanted to start

1:41:40

this podcast because I was just like.

1:41:44

There was a time at which this was

1:41:46

such a fringe issue or not fringe, but

1:41:48

like something that if you were a lefty,

1:41:51

you cared about it. If

1:41:53

you were Jewish or Palestinian,

1:41:55

of course, it was an issue you

1:41:57

knew about. But in

1:41:59

general. I felt like the

1:42:01

general public was just, they were default

1:42:03

pro-Israel position. And

1:42:06

they weren't exposed to this kind of

1:42:08

like double speak and this

1:42:10

kind of propaganda. And now,

1:42:12

you know, that it's

1:42:15

everywhere, you know, in the last

1:42:17

eight months on the mainstream media

1:42:19

and mainstream news, I

1:42:21

was like, I hope people know that this

1:42:24

is ridiculous. I need to know that other

1:42:26

people see, you know,

1:42:28

these like A-Lon Levees and shit and

1:42:30

go like, these guys are just like paid liars.

1:42:32

They just go there and they like say, Israel

1:42:35

is the only democracy. And

1:42:39

meanwhile, they're also advocating for the

1:42:41

annihilation of a whole people who

1:42:43

have no voting rights within the

1:42:45

state that actually controls their air

1:42:47

land and sea and economy and

1:42:49

everything, every aspect of their lives,

1:42:51

outside of what, outside

1:42:54

of what toilet they shit in. And,

1:42:56

you know, they're not, you

1:42:58

know, separating the drinking fountains

1:43:00

in Gaza. They just control the water.

1:43:04

So I'm like, come on, people

1:43:06

need to, if they don't know, they need to know.

1:43:09

So I was like, I gotta do, I'm gonna do

1:43:11

a podcast about this until this

1:43:13

all, you know, until it

1:43:15

all works itself out, which it will, I'm sure. Yeah,

1:43:17

totally. Well, I think you'll be in business

1:43:20

for quite a while because with A-Lon Pop,

1:43:22

at PopA, we played a clip of him

1:43:24

saying that he believes this is the beginning

1:43:26

of the end of the Zionist project, but

1:43:28

at the same time, it's gonna be quite

1:43:30

a bloody path forward

1:43:33

and so not to

1:43:35

be dark about it, but. No, great, that's

1:43:37

great. That's great. Listen, before

1:43:41

this podcast, I

1:43:43

mostly just did

1:43:46

TV rewatch podcasts. I have a

1:43:48

show called Pod Yourself A Gun,

1:43:50

which is a Sopranos rewatch podcast.

1:43:53

And then it was a Pod Yourself

1:43:55

The Wire, or The Wire podcast. And

1:43:57

that's what I, that's what I wanted.

1:44:00

do. I don't want

1:44:02

to do this. Yep. Yeah.

1:44:04

This is this

1:44:06

sucks. Every

1:44:09

day something terrible happens, which is just

1:44:11

watching a show from 20 years ago

1:44:13

is way better for

1:44:15

my mental health. But you know, at this point, I'm

1:44:17

like, people gotta know.

1:44:20

People gotta know. People gotta know.

1:44:23

Anyways. By the

1:44:25

way, it was George Latimer who said that thing about

1:44:27

the gas chambers, the guy running against Jamal Bowman.

1:44:30

So Matt, yeah,

1:44:33

you and Francesca will be in Chicago.

1:44:36

And that's right. While in a little

1:44:38

while, August 20th and 19th,

1:44:41

19 and 20th will be at

1:44:43

Lincoln Lodge in Chicago. The 19th

1:44:47

is a live bituation room slash

1:44:50

bad has bar a podcast. So

1:44:52

we're teaming up for one

1:44:54

super podcast. And then the 20th

1:44:57

is a live

1:44:59

stand up show me and Francesca,

1:45:01

who was my wife. My

1:45:04

wife. Yeah, so that'll be fun. If

1:45:06

you guys want to go out to that, do

1:45:08

it. Or you also you

1:45:11

can just listen to bed has bar wherever

1:45:13

you get your podcasts, or you can you

1:45:15

can watch it on YouTube. But you

1:45:18

know, I mean, I was on what

1:45:21

a month or two ago, that was really a

1:45:23

really fun time. So people can Yeah. Oh,

1:45:25

well, yeah, I did reveal some some secrets.

1:45:28

Yeah, you dropped some knowledge and

1:45:31

secrets. Yeah, no, it's a it's a fun

1:45:33

it's a fun podcast. You were fantastic on

1:45:35

it. And we've had a lot of fun.

1:45:37

We just had Mark Lamont. Oh,

1:45:40

yeah, that was fun. Yeah,

1:45:42

it's, it's on YouTube.

1:45:45

And it's on podcast apps.

1:45:48

So check you can check it out. Check

1:45:50

out we will put a link

1:45:53

to bad has bar and in

1:45:55

the description wherever you folks are

1:45:57

listening to or watching this Matt,

1:46:00

it's always a pleasure. Say

1:46:03

hi to Francesca for me.

1:46:06

So you guys are doing a stand-up comedy

1:46:08

together in Chicago. Are

1:46:10

you just leaving the baby in the house and just

1:46:12

hoping she fends for herself? Oh, fuck. Yeah.

1:46:15

Francesca, we have a child. Did you

1:46:17

figure that out? No, we're going

1:46:20

to, we have her mother,

1:46:22

Francesca's mother, is going to be taking

1:46:24

care of the baby, and

1:46:28

as well as a

1:46:30

friend of ours who is our babysitter.

1:46:34

And yeah, we're just like, what if we just, what

1:46:37

if we were just not parents for like

1:46:39

two fucking days? It's

1:46:42

two days, no baby. We

1:46:44

do stand-up. We do live

1:46:46

podcasts. We forget what

1:46:48

our life has become. And

1:46:50

so that's what we're going to do. Listen,

1:46:53

we love our child. We love our child, obviously.

1:46:57

I don't know why you have to say it

1:46:59

like that. It's just, you know, you gotta. Well, because

1:47:01

there's a big but, there's a caveat of like,

1:47:03

sometimes, you know, you just want to not be

1:47:06

with them for a little bit. You

1:47:08

love them, but you hate them, you know

1:47:10

what I mean? I understand.

1:47:12

I understand. I love my kid. Anyways,

1:47:17

yeah, it's going to be fun.

1:47:19

And Francesca and I, we're not

1:47:21

performing, we're not a dual act.

1:47:23

So one of us will be doing, you know, 45

1:47:25

or 35 minutes, and

1:47:29

the other one will be doing 35 minutes. And we're going

1:47:31

to have some openers and stuff, and it's

1:47:33

going to be fun. My live podcast will

1:47:35

be great, you know? I'm going to bring my

1:47:37

Netanyahu sound board. Crazy

1:47:39

Jews. You hear that? Yeah, I

1:47:42

did. Crazy Jews. Yeah, yeah. Also, there's, I

1:47:44

want you to come. You

1:47:46

should get, when he did that Dr. Phil interview,

1:47:48

where he said, I assure you, Dr. Phil, we

1:47:50

have more than fingernails. That's my next

1:47:52

addition. For your sound board.

1:47:55

Yeah. Actually, I've been collecting

1:47:57

little sound bites, including that one.

1:47:59

But. My computer broke for

1:48:01

this week. And I swear I'm sorry. Yeah,

1:48:04

you mean you've been doing it the whole time. Oh,

1:48:06

I forgot. Yeah. Like I had

1:48:08

one or like a few folders in this

1:48:10

on my desktop that I didn't save. And

1:48:12

it was like six or seven sound drops

1:48:15

I've been collecting until the Sam finally gives

1:48:17

me a soundboard. I'm so mad at myself.

1:48:19

Soundboards rule, dude. Check this out.

1:48:21

You're good. You're good. Well, I'm

1:48:23

good. Also, this was a tough

1:48:25

neighborhood neighborhood. I

1:48:27

like all right. That's

1:48:29

my suggestion for you is I assure you,

1:48:32

Dr. Phil, we have more than fingernails. OK.

1:48:34

Yeah, I'll that'll be my

1:48:36

next one. And then, you know, if you find any

1:48:38

more, let me know, because the Netanyahu soundboard is a

1:48:40

lot of fun. I want you to come. I

1:48:42

want you to come. We used to have him saying

1:48:44

the so-called progressives are now

1:48:47

regressive. Oh,

1:48:51

bars. He got bars. He

1:48:54

really does have evil villain voice. The

1:48:56

most evil villain voice. It's just so

1:48:59

oh, God, the way people Jeremy

1:49:02

Irons playing scar is a little

1:49:04

less cartoony. The

1:49:06

prime minister scar is out here. Long

1:49:10

live the king. It's

1:49:13

like I trust that guy. He should do a war.

1:49:16

Yeah. Yeah. He's crazy, but

1:49:18

I support everything he does. Yeah. Well, what else?

1:49:20

What else can we do but support literal

1:49:22

madman? The scar administration has to come to an end.

1:49:25

We need to get one of the hyenas in power.

1:49:31

Oh, God, little A-lon Levy, Hyena.

1:49:33

Just trying to

1:49:35

explain apart that away. All

1:49:38

right. Well, this was lovely.

1:49:40

So check out Bad Hasbro Hasbara.

1:49:42

Check out the Chicago show on

1:49:45

August 19th or the 20th. We'll

1:49:47

put a link to that as well. Thanks so much, Matt.

1:49:49

Always a pleasure. Thank you so much.

1:49:52

Love you guys. Love you. Bye.

1:49:56

All right. Well, with that, we're going to wrap

1:49:58

up this part of the program. I

1:50:01

love Matt. He's so funny. He's very funny. Oh,

1:50:03

such a good dude. I

1:50:07

can't get his TikTok out of my head from

1:50:09

like the first month of the bombing where he

1:50:11

said, I'm

1:50:14

bad now. Yeah, liberal Jews

1:50:16

think and then said, but you know what? I'm bad now.

1:50:19

Yeah. I'm a fascist. Sun's Out,

1:50:22

Gun's Out says, thank you Emma for calling out the fundamental

1:50:24

definitional issue with a two state solution. One

1:50:27

question though, why do we need to identify

1:50:29

Israeli society and innocent civilians as sick? I

1:50:31

think you all called their society sick for

1:50:33

supporting the genocide in the same spirit or

1:50:35

Gazan's sick for supporting Hamas. Of course not.

1:50:37

Well, I think it's a little bit of

1:50:40

a different situation because of pathology. I mean,

1:50:42

I would say that the American settlement population

1:50:44

would have the exact same type of sickness,

1:50:46

the exact same sort of virus. And

1:50:49

the the members of

1:50:51

South Africa society there were sick. Now

1:50:54

I have always said and we have been

1:50:56

clear that the hate in that region is

1:50:58

not a function of anyone's religion, but it

1:51:00

is a function of that settler colonial structure

1:51:02

being imposed. And that is on both sides,

1:51:04

the Israeli side and the Palestinian side, which

1:51:06

so yeah, like there

1:51:09

are certain pathologies that will come. For

1:51:11

instance, like exacerbated

1:51:13

fundamentalism to people who are

1:51:16

colonized. It's a different kind of

1:51:18

sickness because the. I think we said Israelis

1:51:20

were sick. I think we

1:51:22

said the society, but I do think that

1:51:24

the society is sick. And

1:51:27

what's also and we're not helping it by

1:51:29

our continued support of the

1:51:31

society and where we

1:51:33

should be strictly supporting the folks who

1:51:35

are protesting for the end

1:51:38

of the war within the society. But, you

1:51:40

know, again, like even even those folks, a

1:51:42

lot of them don't really care about the

1:51:44

Palestinian death. It's just because they think it's

1:51:46

a better way to get the hostages, which

1:51:48

they are right about. But yeah, like

1:51:52

I think that it's a it's

1:51:56

worth bearing in mind, like,

1:51:58

again, that don't individually. realize hate

1:52:00

and look at it more as a structure and you don't

1:52:02

overall blame the propagandize, but that doesn't mean you pull

1:52:04

a punch on it when a society is sick, a society

1:52:06

is sick. People point

1:52:08

out US society was sick when we invaded

1:52:10

Iraq, absolutely. And it was the same sort of

1:52:13

hysteria. The Nazi society, Germany was sick

1:52:15

and supportive of the

1:52:17

extermination of Jewish people during that time. I

1:52:20

would have said Germany was sick at the time

1:52:22

of Hitler's rule, absolutely. So I don't really think

1:52:24

it's that controversial. Yeah, I don't think it's that bad to do. Hank

1:52:27

Aaron 715 says happy one year anniversary of your

1:52:29

appearance on Tim Pool show on Sunday. I didn't

1:52:31

realize that. Thank you for

1:52:33

the, thanks for the appearance. As I just

1:52:35

got back into politics, when you made that

1:52:37

appearance after following you at TYT, it made

1:52:39

me discover. She was offered a tour, sushi

1:52:43

and poker with the boys. Yes, I was. It

1:52:46

made me discover the majority report and have

1:52:48

been a member since January. Well, thank you,

1:52:50

Hank Aaron 715. That is

1:52:52

so good to hear that that appearance. Why

1:52:55

you did it. It kind of was why I did it. Yeah, that's kind

1:52:57

of why I did it. I wanted to get some attention for

1:52:59

us and, you know,

1:53:01

embarrass him. And hopefully I did that.

1:53:04

All right, guys, we are going to head into

1:53:06

the fun half, pretty short fun half. But Matt,

1:53:08

what's happening on Left Reckoning? Left

1:53:10

Reckoning, Milton Allemaudie talking about South Africa, actually,

1:53:13

and the sort of,

1:53:16

well, the coalescence of

1:53:18

a center

1:53:21

right party following recent elections

1:53:24

and why it signifies maybe a

1:53:26

new form of, you know, apartheid. So we'll

1:53:28

check that out. patreon.com just left Reckoning with

1:53:31

Milton. And

1:53:33

on ESPN, we'll be back on Monday.

1:53:35

But we did talk about I guess

1:53:38

it was Tuesday because, yeah, we talked

1:53:40

about the Celtics winning the

1:53:42

championship, our assessment of that. We also

1:53:44

talked about the Stanley Cup playoffs, which are

1:53:46

still going on, you know, the Oilers have

1:53:48

won too straight to avoid a sweep. And

1:53:51

now they go back to Edmonton, which can

1:53:53

make some things interesting. We

1:53:55

talked about Caitlin Clark, the

1:53:58

freak out in the right wing media

1:54:00

space about her, Rory

1:54:02

McIlroy choking youtube.com/ESPN show.

1:54:05

All right guys, no time for calls cause we've got basically,

1:54:07

you know, less than a half

1:54:09

hour to do the fun half. So we'll take,

1:54:11

read your IMs though. See you in the fun half. Okay,

1:54:15

Emma, please. Well, I just, I feel that

1:54:17

my voice is sorely lacking on the majority

1:54:19

report. Wait, look, Sam

1:54:21

is unpopular. I do deserve a vacation at

1:54:24

Disney World. So ladies and gentlemen, it is

1:54:26

my pleasure to welcome Emma to the show. It

1:54:29

is Thursday. I think you

1:54:31

need to take over for Sam. Yes, please.

1:54:33

No, no, I'm gonna pause you right there.

1:54:35

Wait, what? You can't encourage Emma to live

1:54:37

like this. And I'll tell you

1:54:39

why. So it was offered at work, sushi

1:54:42

and poker with the boys. Work,

1:54:45

sushi and poker with the boys. It was

1:54:47

offered at work, sushi and

1:54:49

poker with the boys. What? Work,

1:54:52

sushi and poker and Tim's upset.

1:54:54

Work, sushi and poker with

1:54:57

the boys. It was offered at work, sushi

1:54:59

and Oh, that's what we call it in

1:55:01

bids. Work, sushi and poker

1:55:03

with the boys. Right. Work,

1:55:06

sushi and poker. We're gonna get demonetized

1:55:08

now. I just think that what you did to

1:55:10

Tim Poole was mean. Free

1:55:12

speech. That's not what we're about

1:55:14

here. Look at how sad he's become now.

1:55:16

We shouldn't even talk about it because I think

1:55:18

you're responsible. I probably am in

1:55:20

a certain way, but let's get to the meltdown

1:55:23

here. Work, sushi and

1:55:25

poker with the boys. Oh

1:55:27

my God. Wow. Sushi. I'm sorry.

1:55:29

I'm losing my fucking mind. So it was

1:55:31

offered at work, sushi and poker with the

1:55:33

boys. Logic. Work, sushi and

1:55:35

poker with the boys. Work, work,

1:55:38

work, I'm like a little kid.

1:55:40

I'm like a little kid. Work, I think I'm

1:55:42

like a little kid. I think I'm like a little kid. Add this

1:55:44

debate 7,000 times. I'm like a little kid. I'm

1:55:46

like a little kid. I'm like a kid. I'm

1:55:48

like a kid. I'm like a little kid. I'm

1:55:50

losing my fucking mind. Some people just don't understand.

1:55:52

I try to be a dick right now, but

1:55:55

like, I absolutely think the US should be providing

1:55:57

me with a wife and kids. It's

1:56:00

not what we're talking about here.

1:56:04

It's not a fun job. It's

1:56:30

a real thing. That's got to poker. Let's

1:56:32

go, Gary. Twerp. Sushi and poker with the

1:56:34

boy. Take it easy, Twerp. Sushi and poker.

1:56:37

Things have really gotten out of hand. Sushi and poker with the

1:56:39

boy's illusion. Twerp. Deluded. Sushi, you don't have

1:56:41

a clue as to what's going on. Live YouTube. Sam has

1:56:43

the weight of the world on his shoulders. I just don't

1:56:45

want to do this show anymore. You can't do it anymore.

1:56:47

It was so much easier. When the majority report was just

1:56:49

you. You're happy. Let's change the subject. Right. You're happy. You're

1:56:52

happy. You're happy. You're happy.

1:56:54

You're happy. You're happy. Let's

1:56:58

change the subject. Right. Rangers

1:57:00

and Nick's new rights. Shut up. How long

1:57:02

do people sign record things on your program? That's

1:57:04

one of the most difficult parts about this show.

1:57:07

This is a pro-filling podcast. I'm thinking maybe

1:57:09

it's time we bury the hatchet. Left is

1:57:11

best. Full traffic. Final twerp. Don't

1:57:14

be foolish. And don't fucking tweet at me. And don't bitch. The

1:57:17

way I'm on this cocktail. These people love it.

1:57:19

That's from my hardest. So I wrote my honors

1:57:21

thesis about it. Oh. Sorry.

1:57:24

Oh. I guess

1:57:26

I should hand the main

1:57:29

mic to you now. You

1:57:31

want to go right up here on four policy. We already phoned

1:57:33

Israel, dude. Are you against that? That's a tough question. I

1:57:36

haven't answered. God, I'm so sorry. Incredible theme

1:57:38

song. I bumbler. Emma

1:57:40

Viglin. Absolutely one of my favorite people. Actually not just in the game,

1:57:42

like period. We are back. We are back.

1:57:44

We are back. We are back. We

1:57:47

are back. We are back. We are

1:57:49

back. We are back.