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America cracked up in the early 1990s

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also on the program today? Benjamin

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Netanyahu rejects what was supposedly

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his peace plan Meanwhile

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he also announces intensive fighting

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in Gaza ending Justin

1:18

time to prime the pump for

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11 on invasion Yet

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another State Department official resigns

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over Biden's Gaza policy Big

1:31

primary day tomorrow, Colorado,

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Utah, New York Big

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one obviously in New York 16th

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still time to help with that one CBS

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poll young voters support President

1:47

Biden over former President

1:49

Trump by 23 points I

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Supreme Court will hear trans care bans

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in a case in I should

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say very

6:00

significant supreme court cases will

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be talking a more about

6:05

those tomorrow uh... with

6:07

lawboy on the program also

6:09

we're going to be doing live coverage of

6:11

the debate and uh...

6:13

we're gonna be doing on a bunch of

6:15

different platforms uh... including youtube because uh... of

6:19

our anxiety about uh... the

6:22

way that uh... cnn behaves when people

6:24

do uh... step on youtube yeah yet

6:26

should be a closure presentable debate should

6:29

be fair use but i we also have trumps

6:31

gonna take his vp most likely

6:33

very soon that's what the news was over the

6:35

weekend with those closed in it's a i think

6:37

it's gonna be jd pants we we talked about

6:39

this on friday i just think rich guy i

6:41

know i a with that capital as yet exact

6:44

uh... hundred percent he needs that money that's what

6:46

is going to come down to he really needs

6:48

that money this time around uh...

6:50

from the uh... wall street and

6:53

uh... people don't realize

6:55

i would say matt is the only

6:57

person consistently brings up uh... jd vants

6:59

is finance bro background

7:01

and uh... feeted seat peter

7:03

teal adjacent stuff and this is what this

7:06

is what trump needs at this point he

7:08

doesn't have anybody's gonna deliver the god squad

7:10

any more than he has them at this

7:13

uh... but he needs uh... uh... this money

7:17

let's talk about what's happening tomorrow the

7:20

last poll we saw as far as i know had

7:23

uh... jamaal bowman down

7:26

sixteen points in

7:29

uh... his primary in uh...

7:31

new york's uh...

7:33

sixteen there's

7:35

no way to know uh... because

7:38

uh... you know polling is very difficult for

7:40

for small races a uh...

7:42

b uh... there

7:46

has been consistently a

7:49

question about particularly in the small

7:51

uh... uh...

7:54

number of votes in a race is with that

7:56

with the small electorate uh...

8:00

is going to come out and there's a

8:02

lot of stuff going around everyone knows about the

8:05

enormous amount of money that george

8:07

latimer had uh... from outside expenditures

8:09

from a pack seventeen

8:11

eighteen million dollars as far as we know

8:13

now uh... that

8:15

number could even be higher we

8:17

just were not going to know until uh... you

8:20

know uh... we get a on the other side

8:22

of this election we start to see uh... filings

8:25

we know that uh... a pack dumped an extra

8:27

two million dollars into uh...

8:29

the jail paul race program

8:31

milla sister uh...

8:33

and they did it late so

8:35

that the disclosure came after the election but

8:39

there's been a you know there's a combination

8:42

of things going on here because you had

8:44

people like hillary clinton come out and endorse

8:46

latimer because you had uh... mondair jones endorsed

8:49

latimer uh... there and there

8:51

seems to be you know sort of like

8:53

uh... not as aggressive

8:55

protection of this incumbent from

8:58

the d triple c as we've seen in the past there's

9:00

very little that has been you know i

9:02

think like really expressed about

9:05

who laddamer is and there's only

9:07

so much like a local media

9:09

that exist anymore and

9:12

when ladderer can spend twenty million

9:14

dollars and no matter like it that

9:16

you did the very little mile live t.v. i watch

9:19

uh... i've seen like half a dozen of

9:21

these commercials right now those are

9:23

the a pack funded third united to

9:25

udp uh... ads that don't

9:27

mention israel at all but they're going after

9:29

him very aggressively it's the most expensive primary

9:32

in history of this country it's

9:34

it's more expensive than a lot of

9:36

like uh... small countries uh... you know

9:38

it presidential races or uh... parliament races

9:41

but here is a just give you a taste of

9:43

two stories i think that really sum up who

9:46

george uh... laddimer is uh...

9:49

the first one is uh... from i think this from

9:51

uh... axios a punch ball yeah

9:54

go down to this uh... quote here this

9:56

is really astonishing now we heard laddimer on

9:58

a radio program similar argument

10:00

there is a large amount of one

10:02

was because um... black

10:05

people got an advantage from uh... mail-in

10:08

ballots and of course

10:10

uh... uh... the uh...

10:14

the b l m protests that were

10:16

happening of uh... in twenty twenty this

10:18

is what a democrat is saying yes

10:21

uh... and here is sort of

10:23

reiterating the point which

10:25

is both sort of grotesque uh... point

10:27

to make and also uh... inaccurate

10:30

unless you're very

10:32

uh... broad sense that

10:34

there's only really two ethnicities uh...

10:37

that being white and then

10:40

non-white that's basically it is far

10:42

as latin was concerned that ron

10:44

the ask yes is bohman

10:46

uh... going to it this is he's asked

10:48

the question like uh... uh...

10:50

he says he's confident the moment uh...

10:53

is uh... bohman gonna get at least forty percent

10:55

of the vote he said uh...

10:58

latimer said uh... will you get people who are

11:00

a furthest to the left yes but

11:03

once you get uh... uh... uh... no uh...

11:07

is he gonna go get get forty

11:09

percent of the vote yes does he

11:11

have an obvious ethnic benefit yes on

11:14

ethnic benefit and ethnic benefit hello but

11:16

once you get beyond a couple of constituencies that

11:19

he has strengthened he's weak everywhere else now

11:21

he has an ethnic benefit uh...

11:25

as far as we can tell new

11:28

york sixteen is forty

11:31

percent white and

11:33

like twenty five percent uh...

11:36

uh... latino and

11:39

uh... twenty five percent uh... black and then

11:41

maybe ten percent other like what is the

11:43

ethnic benefit that he has here well it's

11:45

also has a a significant jewish

11:47

population which is in part why apex pouring all

11:49

this money and to try to get a win

11:52

on on the ledger and can

11:54

you imagine if you mall bohman said

11:56

something like george latimer has been benefit

11:58

with all of the jewish people going

12:00

to vote for him. It's so ridiculous.

12:02

It's so, so offensive. Well, and I

12:04

will say this. There is, I've seen

12:06

reports that there was at least a

12:08

million dollars spent to

12:11

register and to work specifically

12:13

on the get out to vote of

12:16

New Rochelle's Orthodox

12:18

community. And that

12:23

community votes in a block when

12:25

they vote. But I don't know,

12:27

Sam, if you were aware, but

12:29

Mondaire Jones endorsed George Latimer. And

12:32

Latimer's quote was that the argument about

12:34

me running a racist campaign falls flat

12:36

on its face when people who are

12:39

African American, Latino and Asian are supporting

12:41

me, he said in an interview. So

12:43

despite Bowman's ethnic benefit. So Bowman

12:46

gets an ethnic benefit, but it's not

12:48

a racist campaign because this black man,

12:51

congressional candidate endorsed me, says George Latimer.

12:54

So the other aspect of Latimer

12:57

that we've talked about in this

12:59

program and in part, was spurred

13:01

by a phone call from someone

13:03

from Latimer's girlfriend.

13:06

I don't know what paramor this

13:10

family who after

13:13

she retired as a judge, got a hundred

13:15

and fifty thousand dollar job with the county

13:17

that Latimer hired her for. I get apparently

13:19

up there. That's not a problem. This

13:24

is also a story that I think

13:26

captures this guy's sort of like the

13:30

sense that the propriety, I guess,

13:32

or here's

13:34

Latimer pop

13:36

this story up. Westchester County Executive

13:38

George Latimer facing an injury lawsuit

13:41

stemming from a twenty seventeen car accident

13:43

in New Rochelle. Everybody gets into car

13:45

accidents, I guess. A

13:48

car Latimer was driving collided with another

13:50

at the Willmott Grand Boulevard intersection on

13:52

July twenty one twenty seventeen. I would

13:54

like to know what time that was,

13:56

but that's neither here nor there. the

14:00

driver of the other car uh... malaysia malcolm

14:03

is seeking unspecified damages in the suit

14:05

attorney kevin johnson said malcolm sustained severe

14:07

permanent personal injuries he blames on lot

14:09

more failing to yield to a traffic

14:12

control device in other negligence the car struck

14:14

a fixed object in a divided the suit

14:16

said uh... latimer then

14:18

a state senator running for county executive

14:20

was driving a car owned by staffer

14:22

andrew jenna who's now an aide to

14:25

lautner jenam also named as

14:27

a defendant to the time the accident lautner

14:29

was dealing with registration issues regarding

14:32

his own car twenty fourteen jeep

14:34

Cherokee lautner wasn't able

14:36

to registers car due to a number

14:38

of unpaid parking tickets in the area

14:40

although it drove uh... he drove it

14:43

with suspended registration cash crimes out of

14:45

control in george latimer is uh... personal

14:47

issues here but what but what it

14:49

really shows is incredible entitlement yeah uh...

14:52

yet i got news for you the amount of

14:54

parking tickets you need to get to

14:57

have your registration suspended his way up there is

14:59

not a moving violation and

15:01

then to be driving around and suspended

15:03

registration uh... that's

15:06

the nature of a

15:09

lot of these new york uh... local

15:11

politicians it is uh... really

15:13

corrupt stuff and uh...

15:15

old-school the option old-school corruption and

15:18

he if if anyone saw that

15:20

show which was honestly really good

15:22

uh... on hb o

15:24

a few years ago called show me a

15:26

hero which was about the yonkers uh... public

15:28

housing fight there was a similar fight you

15:31

can read about this in the progress report

15:33

sub-sect by jordan's a carry-in he also does

15:35

work for more perfect news a similar fight

15:37

in westchester county on whether or

15:40

not they were going to approve which they

15:42

were legally obligated to do these

15:44

this these blocks of land for public housing

15:46

for black uh... the largely black people but

15:48

also poor people to move into the area

15:50

and you want to guess what side of

15:52

that fight latimer was on so

15:56

he's an old-school conservative democrat within

15:58

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America Cracked Up in

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the Early 90s. we're

22:31

back sam cedar and the big one

22:33

on the majority part one welcome to

22:36

the program john gans writer of the

22:38

unpopular front newsletter on sub-stack and

22:40

author of when the clock broke

22:42

conman conspiracists and

22:45

how america cracked up in the early nineteen nineties

22:47

uh... welcome to the program john thanks so much

22:49

for having me uh... let's

22:52

start with uh... well

22:55

i let's start with the uh... broken clock

22:58

uh... quote and and in in

23:00

many respects it explains why this

23:03

you know uh... more or

23:06

less half a decade uh... that

23:08

you've written about uh... in the early

23:10

nineteen nineties yes

23:12

so i got the uh... i got this

23:15

this metaphor this image from a speech by

23:17

a libertarian economist

23:19

a mary rothbard and he gave this uh...

23:21

at the john randolph club which was kind

23:23

of a uh... can't paleo

23:26

conservative paleo libertarian convention and gave

23:28

his speech in our pat pican

23:30

who was trying to primary george

23:32

hw bush the time uh...

23:35

and he he said uh... uh...

23:37

top warriors applause in the crowd we're going to

23:39

break the clock of social democracy we're going to

23:41

break the clock of the new deal we're going

23:44

to repeal the twentieth century uh... and

23:46

i just thought this is a wonderful image uh...

23:48

for a few reasons uh... one

23:50

of which being that you know as i was doing research

23:53

for this book uh... i just

23:55

kept getting this uncanny feeling that we're sort of

23:57

stuck in the in the era that was being

23:59

written about so it kind of felt like when

24:01

the clock broke. It was also a little bit of a

24:03

play on Francis Fugiyama's End

24:06

of History. The idea is that we were

24:08

now done with the age of ideological

24:13

struggles and liberal

24:15

democracy was going to be the only game in town. So

24:18

instead of the triumph sort of the end of

24:20

history, I have a little different

24:22

spin on it, which is a time when the

24:25

clock broke, the clock of progress. I

24:28

still don't get that metaphor that he

24:30

used though for because a clock goes

24:32

round and around. Well,

24:34

I think he was referring to his

24:36

communist youth. Well,

24:39

not his communist youth. He grew up in

24:41

the Bronx. He was

24:43

a child of Jewish Russian

24:45

immigrants and many of his

24:47

people were, many of his family members

24:49

and neighbors were communist party members. And he

24:51

used to be told, you can't turn

24:53

back the clock. You can't turn back the

24:56

clock. Socialism is the way for

24:58

the future. And he said, well, the

25:00

clock of the Soviet Union now lays

25:02

broken on the ground. So yes, it's

25:05

true. It does go round and round, but I

25:07

guess it does mark that time is going

25:09

forward too. I guess so. All right. Okay.

25:11

So the early 90s you

25:14

see as what

25:16

happening, like what did this

25:19

sort of, what

25:28

was unique about this era or what does

25:30

it mark in terms of the,

25:34

I guess, the trajectory of, we

25:38

call it conservatism or right, the right wing

25:40

universe, I guess. Well,

25:43

I think this is when conservatism in a way begins to end

25:45

and something else starts to appear. The

25:47

conservative movements, energies have sort of run

25:49

out and a more radical right emerges

25:51

on the scene.

25:55

So I think there's a broader political, economic and

25:57

social crisis in the United States. that

26:00

was brought about by a lot of changes in the

26:02

economy, largely due

26:04

to Reaganomics and what we

26:06

now call very often neoliberalism.

26:11

And instead of that naturally

26:13

kind of leading to interest

26:16

in returning to a more egalitarian

26:18

society, to the ideas of

26:20

FDR and the New Deal, it

26:23

was the occasion for the launching of

26:25

a revolution on the right. A

26:29

more muscular right-wing

26:32

push that

26:34

was not only opposed to

26:37

say the welfare state

26:39

or regulating the economy, or

26:44

was in favor of free trade. It

26:46

actually was more of an attack on

26:49

an egalitarian society in general, on political

26:51

equality and even on democracy itself. So

26:55

I think for a while we

26:57

called this movement conservatism, where it was

27:00

just sort of not really as

27:03

much ideologically based as

27:05

it was sort of in

27:08

and out group type of based.

27:10

But I wanna return to that

27:12

conversation and track it, because you

27:14

start with David Duke, who

27:17

folks may not remember,

27:21

but was at one point, like the grand

27:23

wizard of the KKK. And

27:26

then all of a sudden he was just a

27:29

Republican candidate. Yes, he

27:31

was, I think in the 70s and 80s, he

27:34

was the face of the Ku Klux Klan in

27:36

the United States. And then

27:38

he quite literally got a facelift and

27:41

started to run for

27:44

offices as a Republican. He

27:47

won one of those offices. It

27:49

was for a state legislator seat in

27:51

Louisiana and Mettery, which is just outside

27:53

of New Orleans. It's

27:55

kind of a white flight suburb, or

27:58

it was at the time. And then

28:00

he ran for United States Senator, he lost, but

28:03

he won almost 60% of the white vote. And

28:06

then in the next year, he ran for

28:08

governor of Louisiana, and he won 55% of

28:10

the white vote. And

28:13

this is with public's full knowledge,

28:16

but perhaps disavowal, that he had

28:18

not only been a member of

28:20

the Ku Klux Klan, but a

28:22

self-avowed neo-Nazi. And

28:25

the political establishment was obviously very spooked

28:27

by this. The Republican Party, both on

28:30

the local level and the national level,

28:32

really struggled to get rid of David Duke. He

28:35

was not their chosen candidate, but he continually won

28:37

primaries. The President of the

28:39

United States came out against him, both

28:41

in the person of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

28:44

The RNC sent staff down to stop David

28:47

Duke. They really struggled with it. And

28:50

many people on

28:52

the hard right of the Republican Party and the

28:54

conservative movement were not spooked by

28:56

the emergence of David Duke as a challenge to

28:59

the Republican establishment. They viewed it as a very

29:01

hopeful sign that their politics

29:03

had arrived. And it

29:05

was a signal for Pappy Cannon to launch his

29:07

primary campaign against George H.W. Bush. Just

29:11

give us a sense of like, because

29:14

I'm not sure of people, how

29:17

much people are aware of this, but George

29:20

Herbert Walker Bush was brought on

29:22

to basically be the establishment sort

29:25

of like anchor for Ronald Reagan.

29:27

I mean, not terribly

29:29

dissimilar. If you take out the

29:32

God Squad stuff about Mike Pence, because

29:34

people forget that Mike Pence was also like a

29:36

Koch brothers. He was

29:38

into Congress. I mean, Mike

29:41

Pence represented a lot of

29:43

things. But I think for

29:46

the Republican establishment, Mike Pence

29:48

was their entree into that

29:51

office. Sorry about that. I

29:53

just hit my butt. Their

29:55

entree in there and

29:57

George Herbert Walker Bush was sort of the same thing.

30:00

for for ronald reagan

30:02

right i mean and yes but

30:05

he was they considered

30:07

him mealy like the right never

30:09

particularly like him that much they

30:12

hated him or they just rusted i mean i

30:14

mean george hw bush ran both when he

30:17

tried to when the republican primary nineteen

30:19

eighty and also when i when he was the

30:21

running mate of of of

30:24

of reagan tried to run as

30:26

a faithful conservative was quite white right ring on

30:28

a lot of things that you're not had been

30:30

you've been always pro-choice from a kind of uh...

30:33

you know high wasp uh... tradition

30:35

of of uh... of

30:37

family planning uh... and he

30:39

abandoned this in order to you know be a part

30:41

of the new republican party uh...

30:43

that was being shaped by reagan in the new right uh...

30:46

but he was never trusted by the the

30:48

the real hard right of the conservative movement

30:50

they thought he was a rock of color

30:52

republican they thought he was a liberal uh...

30:55

pragmatist the centrist did not have the

30:57

ideological bonafides that they wanted and they

31:00

thought he stood on in

31:02

an almost populist way or in a in

31:05

a quite popular city stock body stood for

31:07

and the eastern establishment uh... which they thought

31:09

that they were out to uh...

31:12

unseat in favor of middle americans

31:14

so yes george hw bush uh...

31:17

was someone who went from fairly

31:20

distrusted to out now enemy of of

31:22

of the right wing and

31:24

they were sort of right i mean

31:26

they're certainly like you know but yeah i would add in all

31:29

of his saudi relationships and everything

31:31

from the ci a uh...

31:34

but uh... you he i mean and

31:37

i think like suitor uh...

31:40

appointing suitor i mean he really

31:42

uh... in many respects betrayed

31:46

i guess my point is like it sort of feels like

31:48

there's a trajectory there in that that

31:50

george herbert walker bush the

31:55

anomaly in terms of that

31:57

trajectory on some yes the

31:59

well he He does, in a

32:02

way, represent the old Republican party

32:05

as a kind of stodgy party of the

32:08

establishment. And he, in many

32:10

ways, represents the old United States. I

32:12

mean, he comes from a very ancient

32:15

family. He has another president in

32:17

the family. They go

32:19

back to the start of the country, and

32:21

his father was a, his

32:25

grandfather was a senator. He

32:28

did really belong to an earlier time,

32:30

and I think he found himself extremely

32:34

disconcerted and confused by the direction the country

32:36

was taking in the early 1990s. It

32:38

didn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense to him. And

32:42

the truths about politics and the American people that

32:44

he thought he knew, and

32:47

the common sense that he thought he knew, didn't

32:50

really seem to obtain anymore. But

32:53

we see echoes of it in Jeb.

32:56

You know, the whole can't be that

32:58

please clap moment. There

33:01

are many moments like that. When I was writing my book,

33:03

I was really getting a kick out of it, where George

33:07

H.W. Bush feels kind of entitled

33:10

to adulation, and when

33:12

he's not getting it,

33:15

he's very frustrated and angry and

33:17

dismayed. But

33:20

yes, he was a

33:23

pragmatist, quite reasonable. He was able to

33:25

come to realize that the

33:27

United States couldn't just continually

33:29

cut taxes and still survive. And

33:33

he was punished for going back on his

33:35

no new taxes pledge. That was considered also

33:37

to be a big betrayal on the right.

33:39

But I think perhaps what's missed is he

33:42

made a compromise on something called the Civil

33:44

Rights Act of 1991. He

33:47

vetoed that and then signed something called the Civil Rights Act

33:49

of 1992. This

33:53

is a piece of legislation that only an

33:55

employment lawyer might tell you about now,

33:57

but at the time, it was for the first time

34:00

in the United States. feared by conservatives to be going

34:03

to enter what they call quotas

34:05

into employment. Basically

34:08

it permitted minorities and women to sue

34:10

their employees. And

34:13

they thought that this was going to create the

34:15

pressure on employees to hire minorities

34:21

and women and not hire white men. So

34:26

in a very early version of

34:28

an anti-woke panic, there

34:30

was a big storm about the

34:32

compromise version

34:35

of the Civil Rights Act. That's the moment

34:38

in which Buchanan decides

34:40

that he has to primary Bush as the signing

34:42

of the Civil Rights Act. So the no new

34:44

taxes thing everybody knows, but I think fewer people

34:47

know about the Civil Rights Act. And

34:50

the thing is, his pledge for no new

34:52

taxes was literally read my lips. No

34:55

new taxes is what he said. You

34:58

couldn't have made a bigger deal about

35:00

there being no new taxes and then

35:03

he asked him having to do that.

35:05

I also will say this too. There's

35:07

one quote I remember when he was

35:09

running against a caucus. They brought his

35:11

sister out to make him seem amenable

35:14

to your average day people. And

35:16

her quote was, and this is a paraphrase

35:18

because it's literally whatever, 35 years ago,

35:21

we had very strict

35:23

parents. We

35:27

grew up like a lot of kids. If we

35:29

left our tennis rackets out in the rain, we

35:31

got punished. And I just remember thinking like, if

35:34

the caucus can lose to a guy

35:36

like that, that's insane. But then, okay,

35:38

so let's talk about Buchanan because I

35:40

also remember this era. Bush

35:44

definitely is aware that this is

35:46

growing on his right flank. And

35:49

I think Dan Quayle has brought in to

35:51

be the ballast in some

35:54

way to make up for what people

35:57

feel that Herbert Walker Bush does not have. And

36:00

he goes out there and

36:02

attacks a fictional TV character,

36:05

Murphy Brown, for having a

36:07

child out of wedlock. And

36:11

in some lame attempt to sort

36:13

of like forestall what Buchanan was

36:15

doing. Yes, I think,

36:17

you know, these are this was at the beginning

36:19

of what we now call the culture wars and

36:23

the Murphy Brown incident, which is

36:25

incidentally one of my earliest memories

36:27

of American politics. Because

36:30

I think I was about, I was seven years old. I

36:36

remember, yeah, so what you, is important to

36:38

remember about that is this happens in the

36:40

wake of the Rodney King

36:43

riots. Everyone is looking for

36:45

the cause of the Rodney King riots, right? And

36:48

what the Republicans want to say is that this is

36:51

women having children out

36:53

of wedlock is causing

36:55

a cultural and social crisis morality in

36:58

the United States. Now,

37:00

that usually has a very clear

37:02

racial dimension. But in going

37:05

after Murphy Brown, that can

37:07

be directed against white liberal elites and

37:09

doesn't have to be against poor black

37:11

women. This

37:13

creates a big nationwide, pure,

37:17

partially because it's so bizarre. And

37:20

it becomes a huge national debate. Actually,

37:24

in my opinion, distracting from the quite

37:26

serious issues of the

37:28

L.A. riots, which are rampant police

37:30

brutality and a Los Angeles that was

37:33

basically an almost depression level

37:35

of poverty at the time. That

37:37

quickly forgotten. The news media

37:40

fixates on the Murphy Brown story. It

37:43

keeps on coming up. It becomes a

37:45

big national debate over whether or not

37:48

it was a good thing to show.

37:50

It puts the Bush administration a

37:52

little bit of a bind because on the one hand, Quayle

37:56

kind of gets over skis criticizing it. But they're also

37:58

have to say that they're. pro-life.

38:00

So they also say, well,

38:03

it's good that she's having the baby, because,

38:05

you know, we're pro-life. So

38:09

Bush eventually gets frustrated being asked

38:11

by questions by reporters about

38:13

it. He kind of snaps at them. Ross

38:16

Perot goes on, you know, in a speech

38:18

that's goofy, that it's being talked about. Who

38:21

takes it less, more seriously, actually, is

38:23

Bill Clinton. He

38:25

speaks sensitively about the

38:28

whole issue, and takes

38:30

seriously the family value issues that

38:32

the Republicans are trying to raise,

38:35

but, you know, deflects them in a

38:38

less aggressive direction. This

38:40

here is so fascinating, because there's all of that

38:42

type of like, you

38:45

know, it's the equivalent of,

38:51

gosh, I can't remember now,

38:53

his name, who was George

38:55

Herbert Walker Bush's campaign, Ailes,

38:58

not Ailes, but Atwater. At the Atwater.

39:01

At the Atwater. Who's whole, sort of

39:03

like famously had said, you know, you

39:05

used to use the N word, now

39:08

you can just say, busing, and then

39:10

you know, say busing, then you say

39:12

taxes. And of course, he came out

39:15

of Nixon's sort of orbit where Buchanan

39:17

also came out of Nixon's orbit. And

39:21

so there's this sort of like one

39:23

part of the Republican Party still using

39:25

coded stuff. And the other

39:27

part of the Republican Party is going like,

39:29

we don't need to do that anymore. And

39:32

also in the backdrop of this is

39:34

Limbaugh, who at that point is talking

39:36

about feminazis. And I remember George

39:39

Herbert Walker Bush going on Limbaugh's

39:41

show to

39:44

like, ingratiate himself with Limbaugh.

39:46

And I think this is also around the

39:48

time that like, Limbaugh was so big by

39:50

the early 90s, that he

39:52

was doing Monday night football. I don't know if

39:55

this was a little bit afterwards. But I mean, this

39:57

is what was going on at that time. They're very

39:59

strange. Well, I mean, George

40:02

H.W. Bush says, you

40:04

know, talk shows are becoming increasingly powerful. He

40:07

sort of resents this. He said, I'm the president of

40:09

the United States. I'm not going to do these weird

40:11

Geraldo-type shows. Then he sees where the,

40:13

he looks at the polls, and

40:19

he invites Rush Limbaugh to the

40:21

White House, and he carries his bags to the Lincoln

40:23

bedroom. One of the most

40:25

shameful displays of the US president ever.

40:30

So yes, the power of

40:32

talk radio is becoming very evident. Pat

40:34

Buchanan realizes this. He's trying to court

40:36

Rush Limbaugh. Rush Limbaugh's listenership

40:39

is already very sympathetic to

40:41

Pat, going over his direction.

40:44

Rush Limbaugh, in his ideology

40:46

and so forth, as you can see, he has one

40:48

that's much more of a conventional Reagan Republican, really

40:52

a Republicanism

40:55

of the rich. But

40:57

you know, his listenership is

41:00

very interested in what Pat

41:03

is saying. And yeah, Pat also does

41:05

get his start in the Nixon administration.

41:09

Not many people might realize this, but

41:11

Richard Nixon was not very

41:13

much liked by the conservative movement.

41:16

He viewed at that time, as

41:19

a pragmatist, a bit of a liberal, a

41:21

centrist, not enough of

41:23

an ideologue. Buchanan

41:27

as a kind of protege of Buckley and coming

41:29

out of that sphere was an exception to that

41:31

rule. He was very close personally with Nixon. And

41:34

he had an interesting interpretation of what

41:36

Richard Nixon's presidency meant. To

41:39

him, Nixon was a kind

41:41

of representative of what he called the

41:43

silent majority. Buchanan's phrase,

41:46

he wrote that. Of

41:48

Middle America, whose

41:52

presence was resented and

41:54

feared by the Eastern

41:56

establishment elite. of

42:00

Watergate basically launched a coup

42:02

against Richard Nixon. And the

42:05

big failure of Richard Nixon, the

42:07

missed opportunity of his presidency, was

42:11

not launching some kind of counter coup,

42:15

using the chaos of Watergate to launch some kind

42:17

of coup. So he has this very, I

42:20

don't know how you would say it,

42:22

authoritarian interpretation of Richard Nixon's presidency, which

42:24

in certain ways he shared with Richard

42:26

Nixon himself. Then

42:29

he works for the

42:31

Reagan administration, a little bit

42:33

more ideologically sound, but still

42:35

too pragmatic for Pat.

42:38

And Pat says, I think to Sid Blumenthal

42:40

in the late 80s, in

42:42

an interview, the biggest vacuum in

42:45

American politics is to the right of

42:47

Ronald Reagan. And his

42:49

political trajectory from then on, as he's maneuvering to

42:51

run for president is to occupy that vacuum to

42:53

the right of Ronald Reagan. And

42:56

we know that Pat Buchanan's

42:58

politics and particularly his rhetoric was

43:00

heavily borrowed from in the Trump

43:04

2016 campaign in particular.

43:07

I'm struck by the rhetoric being

43:09

nearly identical about the US-Mexico border

43:12

really before it was embraced by

43:14

the mainstream Republican party. Can you

43:16

give our audience a sense of

43:18

some of those through lines and

43:20

how much Trump borrowed from him?

43:23

I mean, Trump,

43:25

they have almost identical messages in 2016

43:28

is true. The difference is that Buchanan,

43:32

although a bit of a thug, is

43:34

an educated man. He quotes Yates in

43:36

his speeches. It's a little pretentious

43:38

and highbrow. Trump has, let's say, a

43:41

folksier style. But yes, in

43:43

terms of the border trade, US

43:45

foreign intervention, all these critiques

43:49

of the mainstream of the Republican party

43:51

that Trump comes in like a wrecking

43:53

ball and really blows them away with,

43:56

Buchanan is articulating years

44:00

earlier. So,

44:03

and this this commonality, they both

44:05

recognize it. Buchanan said in an

44:07

interview not too long ago, Trump

44:10

is the last stand for my

44:12

ideas. Trump

44:15

has cited Buchanan favorably in speeches

44:17

on several occasions. Back in 1992,

44:19

on Larry King, Trump kind of

44:25

notes, is asked about

44:27

politics, and he notes the emergence

44:29

of both David Duke and Pat

44:31

Buchanan and says, it reflects a

44:34

tremendous anger in this country. And

44:37

so he's both aware and quite interested in the

44:39

potentials of their politics even back then. Well,

44:42

they both, Trump didn't

44:44

officially run for the reform party ticket. I

44:46

know it's a little farther down the line

44:49

in 2000. But he did criticize

44:51

Buchanan from the left at that point,

44:53

which was that Buchanan was too racist

44:55

and voters were rejecting that. And

44:58

then, you know, reportedly, he ended

45:00

up apologizing to Buchanan ahead of the 2016

45:03

campaign because he borrowed so so turns

45:05

out I was wrong. Turns out the first

45:08

time he was wrong. Maybe I

45:10

had, I actually did not know that

45:12

Emma that he apologized to Pat Buchanan.

45:14

That's fascinating. It's

45:16

not I mean, shocking that he apologized, but but

45:19

the substance of it isn't shocking because

45:21

yes, he ran on a very similar

45:23

message. That also that attack that he

45:25

tried to make on Buchanan from the

45:27

left is remarkable because when

45:29

he was confronted in 2016 about David

45:33

Duke's endorsement of him, he pretended

45:36

like he had no idea who David

45:38

Duke was. But he he explicitly cited

45:40

David Duke and his attack on Buchanan.

45:42

And also he absolutely knew what David Duke was

45:44

because he said his name on on on Larry

45:46

King back in 1992. He was

45:48

paying attention to the news. So

45:51

that dance he's done with that

45:53

part of the political world is

45:56

interesting. He's never been totally

45:58

willing or able to do to disavow

46:00

or or ejected entirely cozy knows is

46:02

an important part of his base it's

46:05

an important part of of the constituency

46:07

that's giving him majorities not in the

46:09

country but that really republican primaries can

46:13

we we talk about it did the strands that seem

46:15

to meet their uh... on the right

46:17

that because you've got uh...

46:20

you've got this sort of the old country

46:22

club republicanism is still sort of viable at

46:24

that era and it's really you know reagan

46:26

head was contrary

46:29

to that in many respects uh...

46:31

and uh... you know reagan had his

46:33

own not what with his uh... you know

46:35

announcement that uh... near the the

46:38

show uh...

46:40

show that county county fair uh...

46:43

to states rights which is where you know

46:45

or so uh... the civil rights uh... uh...

46:48

guys from uh... illinois got killed uh...

46:52

and and so he he was

46:54

nodding to that bush was less comfortable with

46:56

that type of stuff because you just didn't

46:58

talk about that even you didn't even allude

47:00

to it but this is growing you also

47:02

have lima because i think talk radio is

47:04

such a huge part of this i think

47:06

it without uh... talk radio you don trump

47:08

has nothing to say frankly uh...

47:10

and right wing talk radio yeah and

47:12

it's also you

47:15

can and who sort of like part

47:18

of the legacy of the john birch

47:21

society right yes but also uh... limbaugh

47:24

who's not as explicitly john birch

47:26

here in

47:29

content but in terms of modality he is in

47:32

the because this is a guy who you know

47:34

like we we still talk about this dana low

47:36

she just like five years ago said

47:39

to uh... like an fcc chair like i'm

47:41

surprised you weren't um... vince fostered

47:44

and no one who's not a

47:46

right winger we have any idea

47:48

what that means but because of limbaugh

47:50

particularly i think like a around well it

47:52

comes a couple years later but limbaugh is

47:54

ready for this he

47:56

he basically uh... promotes this

47:58

idea that the Clintons

48:01

killed one of their aides, Vince Foster,

48:03

and dragged him into a park in

48:07

DC. So

48:10

Limbaugh's starting to flirt around that time

48:12

with that type of modality, almost like

48:15

Bob Smart Bell. Yeah, absolutely.

48:17

And so those things integrate at

48:19

one point, and it just sort

48:21

of grows through the Clinton years.

48:24

Yeah, absolutely. I think that what

48:26

Limbaugh liked Trump in many ways,

48:31

he adopts the language, the music

48:34

of the extreme right, but

48:36

knows the tricks of entertainment

48:38

and show business and makes it appealing.

48:41

Limbaugh is a figure of mass

48:44

culture. He is not a crank

48:46

on the fringes. He

48:49

has millions of listeners. He

48:52

doesn't exactly replicate every single trope

48:54

or idea that he gets from

48:56

the extreme right. But certainly

48:59

in terms of the malice, the

49:01

anger, the willing to engage

49:03

in conspiratorial speculations

49:06

about Vince Foster, he absolutely

49:09

imports that. What he, like

49:12

Trump, does is there's a lot of glee to it. He's

49:15

an entertainer. And

49:18

this is also something interesting to think about in terms of Reagan. Reagan

49:20

is very different in some ways from the

49:24

core of the conservative movement,

49:26

because the conservative movement, very pessimistic

49:28

and dour. Reagan

49:31

has a very sunny affect. Reagan

49:33

is almost a synthesis of FDR and conservatism.

49:35

He's the happy warrior type of thing. Exactly.

49:41

Now, Limbaugh and Trump are not

49:43

quite the same, but

49:45

they do bring a level

49:48

of enjoyment to this sort of stuff,

49:50

which is more accessible

49:52

to a mass audience than, say,

49:55

someone who was really

49:57

liked, someone on the show.

50:00

of the real fringes of the radio

50:02

programs or literature

50:05

of the propaganda. So it's almost a

50:07

adaptation of those

50:10

themes for a broader audience. Limbo

50:12

and Trump are parallels in that way. And

50:14

the kind of happy

50:17

vulgarity, the

50:19

enjoyment of making

50:21

nasty jokes about women and minorities

50:24

that you got from talk radio. Trump

50:27

definitely, his brain is almost, you

50:29

know, is made

50:32

up of talk shows. I mean, that's the

50:34

way he expresses himself. It's partly Howard Stern.

50:37

It's partly Rush Limbaugh. That's

50:39

partly TV. You know, basically, a

50:42

good way to think about Trump is just someone who has

50:44

done nothing but

50:47

tune into those things and really not done much

50:50

thought or else. So he kind of just, you

50:52

know, is a broadcasted back

50:55

and does it well. I

50:57

would say Mark Levin is probably I get the

51:00

sense is one of his biggest because Hannity

51:02

is good friends with Levin. I mean, that whole world.

51:05

But let's talk about the

51:07

the 92 election because I think

51:11

people don't, you know, it

51:13

was a fascinating dynamic because Bill

51:16

Clinton won without the majority of the

51:18

votes and not like in electoral thing.

51:21

Like I'm saying, you know, he won

51:23

with 40, I think 45 percent of

51:25

the vote. 43

51:28

43 percent. And

51:30

there were they were talking about impeaching him

51:32

on, you know, on

51:35

November, whatever it was, ninth, you

51:37

know, Limbaugh in particular actually

51:39

was talking about this. What

51:41

what like what did Republicanism

51:45

learn from Perot

51:47

in that instance? Because

51:50

Ross Perot was this I guess I

51:52

don't know if he was a billionaire,

51:54

but he was a super wealthy guy.

51:56

I was unclear exactly like

52:00

like how he ever made his money it was

52:02

never really he was just he was just a

52:04

really wealthy guy who's talking about the

52:07

biggest thing i remember was he was talking about

52:09

naphtha uh... and uh...

52:11

the the giant sucking sound uh...

52:13

but we have a day where what what happened in

52:15

that year well uh... uh... more

52:20

than any specific policy parole

52:22

represents an attack on the

52:24

on the political establishment a

52:27

kind of vague populist notion that

52:30

uh... washington was overrun by

52:32

special interests that at uh... strong hyper competent

52:34

leader need come in a kind of technocrat

52:37

so you have a background in the technology

52:39

industry and was a was a business tycoon

52:41

to come in and fix this and

52:45

he exposed norms and anger both

52:48

with the republicans and the democrats uh...

52:50

the especially among white

52:53

americans uh... particularly

52:55

conservative leading ones uh...

52:58

and the republicans made real

53:00

efforts uh... to

53:03

win back the

53:05

kinds of people who may have defected to the

53:07

parole movement newt gingrich's message that

53:09

he shaped for nineteen ninety four but i don't

53:12

talk very much about my book because a lot

53:14

of other wonderful books have been written about gingrich

53:16

a lot of articles about and i want to

53:18

focus on other people but he definitely in

53:22

his in his

53:24

anti-establishment terry nessam uh... was

53:28

very influenced by perot's success

53:30

and they wanted to make

53:33

sure uh... that that

53:35

constituency didn't slip by them again so

53:38

the republicans i think better

53:40

than the democrats were able

53:42

to look at the populist

53:45

wave discontent of nineteen ninety

53:47

two and to reincorporate

53:49

into their message uh... which

53:52

is strange because there's

53:54

many reasons for this but the the

53:57

party that always presented itself

53:59

again established wealth and

54:01

power in the United States had always been

54:04

the Democrats. Republicans have

54:06

managed a trick for the past 40 years

54:11

where they can both be on the side

54:13

of great wealth and portray

54:16

themselves as anti-elitist and populists. Voodoo

54:18

economics on some of the

54:20

rates. It's another way of thinking

54:22

of it. It's

54:26

an incredible political trick that they've done where

54:28

they've convinced people that you can be a

54:33

billionaire is more salt of the earth than

54:35

a college professor. But isn't

54:38

part of that because at that point the

54:42

Democrats had ceded that territory in

54:44

some way and so they had

54:46

created a vacuum in that era

54:48

because you had Jimmy Carter. Well, really

54:51

you start with the McGovern Commission in 72. The reason why

54:53

we have primaries

54:56

now, in

54:58

many respects, to

55:00

undercut the power of unions for better or for

55:03

worse. I mean, there were problems with the leadership

55:05

of unions at that time. Starting

55:08

in like 71, Carter

55:11

is somewhat hostile to unions

55:13

and instead of like

55:15

roaring back in

55:17

the wake of Reaganism,

55:20

in support of unions, Bill Clinton really didn't have

55:23

much to say about that. His populism was

55:25

just going to McDonald's a lot at the time.

55:28

That is, I mean, Bill Clinton had

55:31

a very folksy affect, southern

55:33

gregarious politician. His

55:37

actual instincts

55:39

were quite elitist. He

55:42

was a Rhodes

55:45

Scholar. He really

55:47

loved being in the quarters of power, the

55:51

international summits, the special relationship with

55:53

Britain. These are the sorts

55:55

of things, I think, that he really lusted

55:59

after. as a young

56:01

man and he wanted to accomplish.

56:05

His actual thinking

56:08

on economics, as everyone

56:10

knows, was quite right-wing, quite

56:13

influenced by Reaganism. He

56:15

did not put

56:18

much stock in the

56:21

future of the trade union movement in

56:23

the United States. During the campaign he

56:25

has to meet with striking caterpillar workers

56:27

who are very distrustful of where he's

56:30

coming from. He says, I'm

56:32

against the company hiring replacement

56:34

workers. Organized

56:36

labor continues its decline in the Clinton years,

56:39

of course. But

56:41

yes, I think that Clinton is

56:43

not a populist. Even

56:48

though he snuck off to McDonald's, that was the

56:50

big thing. There were always stories that seemed like

56:52

every couple of weeks it was like, Clinton snuck

56:54

off the campaign trail to get a Big Mac.

56:57

I'm sure that was not

56:59

sent to the press whatsoever. Yeah, well,

57:02

I think they found

57:05

many ways to make him feel very

57:07

appealing. He was very appealing to people,

57:09

but in actual substance, a

57:11

lot of his policies, especially

57:13

when it started to get past 1994,

57:15

really lead rightwards. I

57:19

just want to talk about how

57:21

much race was associated. You

57:25

go into stuff like Ruby Ridge and

57:28

the increase, particularly during

57:30

the Clinton years, of the

57:33

... I just

57:36

remember, I was just saying before the show, I

57:38

remember doing a joke about

57:40

the increasing number

57:43

of white supremacy groups during

57:45

the Clinton years and trying to ...

57:49

The premise of the joke was, what

57:51

makes you dissatisfied with the existing white supremacy groups

57:53

that you've got to start a new one? But

57:56

it seems to me that really ... what

58:00

was going on there was that

58:03

race that that

58:05

we were we're still in the wake there's

58:08

a trajectory of of how much

58:10

race is playing a part in

58:12

republican politics from basically

58:15

the civil rights act and medicare and

58:17

sometimes it ebbs in it flows but

58:20

that this was an opportunity for it to sort

58:22

of like take its head out from the

58:24

subterranean uh... sort of levels and just pop

58:26

its head up a little bit uh...

58:29

because so much of this is like a

58:31

proxy for those issues of race and you

58:34

had clinton at that time sort of like

58:36

almost recognize it by having to sort of

58:39

disavow you know jesse jackson and

58:42

do his sister soldier moment like

58:44

he you know is aware of

58:46

this while at the same

58:48

time going on

58:51

our cineo hall and playing the the

58:53

uh... the the saxophone being the first

58:55

black president i think they were trying

58:57

to float but he was also saying

58:59

like i'm not that

59:02

kind of black president like an

59:05

actual black and it's almost sort of

59:07

what was going on there he

59:09

was very talented being able to triangulate as

59:11

we now say i mean he yes

59:13

i mean he he oversaw the execution

59:16

of ricky ray rector of of mentally

59:18

disabled black person uh...

59:20

which the campaign

59:22

trail from the campaign went back to

59:25

oversee it an execution that was strongly

59:27

opposed by jesse jackson this was a

59:29

repudiation jackson and deliverable on uh...

59:32

he pose at stone mountain with sam

59:35

none uh... infront and with

59:37

and also with a bunch of black

59:39

prisoners uh... on

59:42

a chain gang you know he made very clearly

59:44

was a good old boy in a lot of ways but

59:46

yes he was able to go on our cineo uh...

59:49

he cultivated relationships with black all

59:52

the prominent black politicians usually

59:54

moderate ones but some left leaning once uh...

59:57

and yet he he he

59:59

pulled this coalition together, which all

1:00:02

politicians have to do, he can't

1:00:04

be especially faulted for that. Certain

1:00:06

maneuvers are legitimate, but

1:00:08

he definitely, I would

1:00:10

say the execution of Ricky Ray

1:00:13

Rector, the Stone Mountain stunt,

1:00:15

you know, where I

1:00:18

think executing somebody is

1:00:20

quite a bit more than the dog whistle. So

1:00:24

yeah, I agree. And then

1:00:26

he has the temerity to tell people,

1:00:28

well, if they try to pull

1:00:30

another Willie Horton, I'm going to tell George H.W.

1:00:32

where to shove it. And so

1:00:35

I think the message he was hawking there was a

1:00:37

little opportunistic. And

1:00:40

yeah, the in terms of racial politics,

1:00:45

both things that George H.W. Bush

1:00:47

was doing and saying and things that Clinton were

1:00:49

doing and saying, none of these were trying

1:00:53

to find the extreme right. The

1:00:55

extreme right grows. Ruby

1:00:58

Ridge, as you mentioned, was a big part of

1:01:00

this. But there are senses that the government is

1:01:02

being taken over by one world. There's this new

1:01:04

world order coming. Both Bush and Clinton are representatives

1:01:06

of this. And yeah,

1:01:08

in the wake of Ruby Ridge, in the wake of Waco, the

1:01:12

militia movement grows in the United States.

1:01:16

Anti-government conspiratorialism grows in the United

1:01:19

States. Timothy McBay witnesses

1:01:21

Waco and this radicalized, I mean,

1:01:23

he was already going down that

1:01:25

path. But

1:01:29

in some ways, those

1:01:32

movements which kind of left electoral

1:01:35

politics and

1:01:37

saw more radical outlets have returned to

1:01:40

electoral politics in the wake of Trump. But

1:01:43

now Trump is the first politician in

1:01:45

American history. And I think this is very important to

1:01:47

know. To have

1:01:50

united both these appeals

1:01:52

to the mob and the street and

1:01:55

electoral politics. And

1:01:57

there's a word for that. So

1:02:00

I think that that's notable is that

1:02:02

don't leave us hanging. The

1:02:05

word is fascism. Is

1:02:08

is which is a which is a

1:02:10

synthesis of elect of electoral ism and

1:02:14

an activist politics that that,

1:02:16

you know, uses street violence. You

1:02:20

know, Trump is the first presidential

1:02:22

candidate in a very long time to

1:02:24

get the hearing and the enthusiasm of

1:02:27

types of people who would not vote and

1:02:30

thought the Republican Party was just

1:02:32

as bad as the Democrat Party, as they would call

1:02:34

it. And we're both

1:02:36

controlled by the Jews or whoever else. And

1:02:38

Trump is the first person that really excites that

1:02:41

constituency. Now he may be struggling with it more

1:02:43

than he was a few years ago. But, you

1:02:46

know, when he appears on the scene, they say,

1:02:48

this guy's speaking our language, this is the kind of

1:02:50

thing that we've been waiting to hear. And they're

1:02:53

very encouraged by it. And

1:02:56

then you have, you know, what was once

1:02:58

called the alt right, but that name is

1:03:00

now quaint, because there is no alternative. They

1:03:02

are just the right. They're I mean, same

1:03:04

with paleo conservatives, too, right?

1:03:07

Like that, that paleo conservative just came

1:03:09

up as a way of distinguishing themselves

1:03:11

from the the neoconservatives.

1:03:14

Yeah, I was at the RNC

1:03:17

in 2004 on Radio Row, and had

1:03:19

some guy come up to me and

1:03:21

go like, I'm not with these other

1:03:23

Republicans, you know, you

1:03:25

know, I'm a Pat Buchanan guy, the rest of the

1:03:28

these are Jews. And I was like,

1:03:30

I got some bad news. Right. But that

1:03:35

that strand and also like this,

1:03:38

there was it there was a, oh,

1:03:41

I don't know if we interviewed Tesla or sides who

1:03:44

had written a book together, but

1:03:46

they cited some work that Michael

1:03:48

Tesla did, that always struck with

1:03:50

me, that it wasn't until 2008

1:03:52

until after Barack Obama was elected,

1:03:55

that 50% of non

1:03:57

college educated white people perceived

1:04:00

that the democratic party was to

1:04:02

the left of republicans on race

1:04:05

like it you know that many generations

1:04:07

and you can see it like it

1:04:09

you know nationally uh... the

1:04:11

south goes a republican it takes a

1:04:14

long time you still get the sam

1:04:16

nones i mean there is a quality

1:04:18

about like the the sort of the

1:04:20

the populism that

1:04:23

you can and heights espouse

1:04:26

and the racism that is sort

1:04:28

of like dixie craddish oh

1:04:31

absolutely yes absolutely yeah i mean in a

1:04:33

way my book is telling the story of

1:04:36

the the turning of the southern

1:04:38

strategy from a regional campaign to a national

1:04:40

campaign uh... uh...

1:04:43

this rural urban divide the

1:04:45

racial divide i mean look now you

1:04:47

go into maine and

1:04:49

see the most union state

1:04:51

in the country all the way up

1:04:54

north and you'll see confederate flags and

1:04:56

uh... so these things are

1:04:58

less to do with the region anymore although

1:05:01

the south you know is very conservative part

1:05:03

of the country that consistently elects

1:05:05

the most right wing uh...

1:05:09

uh... you know politicians uh...

1:05:12

but these things are not constrained any one part

1:05:14

of the country it's become a national issue so

1:05:17

i think my book is beginning to tell the

1:05:19

story of how yes

1:05:21

uh... some of these things were once localized

1:05:23

or was part of what you could call

1:05:26

southern tragedy but then the southern strategy goes

1:05:28

national and it becomes

1:05:30

sort of more of a psychographic rather

1:05:32

than sort of a a regional uh...

1:05:36

is there anybody who can replicate this

1:05:38

in the republican party uh...

1:05:41

aside from trump at this point

1:05:43

or does it just because and

1:05:47

if you look at the actual sheer numbers of

1:05:50

of what's happening they're becoming more and

1:05:52

more i mean i think trump has

1:05:54

a very good chance of winning the

1:05:56

election but in terms of that you know

1:05:58

the part of that is elect and part of

1:06:01

the reason why they hold the Senate is because of

1:06:03

the design of the Senate.

1:06:05

But in terms of like, the

1:06:08

further they ... It just

1:06:11

seems to me that this polarization

1:06:13

is not going to benefit that

1:06:16

cohort unless somebody can sort of

1:06:19

always bridge that, massage that

1:06:21

divide and peel some off

1:06:24

because largely they're just

1:06:26

getting a ... They're becoming sort

1:06:28

of a rump on some

1:06:30

level, but it

1:06:33

takes a personality to sort of like

1:06:36

cross that divide, whereas like we're looking

1:06:39

at, I don't know, the

1:06:41

polling in the swing states for

1:06:44

Democratic senators and they're all

1:06:46

doing quite well because people don't

1:06:48

like Republicans. It's just in

1:06:50

this instance, Trump has a certain

1:06:52

appeal and Biden has a certain quality that people

1:06:55

like, maybe we should have

1:06:57

our presidents like a little bit

1:07:00

younger or something to that effect. Yes.

1:07:04

I mean, it's a complicated series of questions,

1:07:07

but essentially I do believe ... Does

1:07:09

anybody in the Republican Party have the ability to

1:07:11

replicate what Donald Trump does? But evidently

1:07:14

not. I mean, all the primary challengers

1:07:16

totally fizzled out. Trump

1:07:18

is not primarily a phenomenon driven

1:07:21

by policy preferences. He's

1:07:23

a phenomenon driven by affect, imagination, myth, whatever you

1:07:25

want to call it, a feeling.

1:07:29

He combines the appeal of

1:07:32

a third party candidate with a major

1:07:34

party infrastructure. He

1:07:37

is an entertainer. He knows show business. He

1:07:41

has a very unique relationship

1:07:43

to the crowd that no other American

1:07:45

politician does, that he gets them going

1:07:47

and they like to be

1:07:50

led by him and they like the feeling of

1:07:52

also giving feedback and guiding him. So

1:07:55

he has very unique abilities, talents

1:07:57

for an American politician. time.

1:08:02

Although this is the only thing

1:08:04

that excites a majority of Republican voters

1:08:06

at this point, he

1:08:09

has limitations. Certain parts of his

1:08:12

appeal are frightening and discuss people

1:08:14

and turn them off. So he's

1:08:16

a mass phenomenon, but he cannot

1:08:19

have yet to turn himself into

1:08:21

a majority phenomenon in this country. Now, many

1:08:26

political movements have managed to turn

1:08:29

their countries into dictatorships, or

1:08:31

authoritarian or totalitarian systems, never

1:08:34

really had to become mass majority

1:08:36

phenomenon. They had to be a

1:08:38

big enough force to crash through

1:08:41

the gates of whatever constitutional system

1:08:43

they had and take

1:08:45

advantage of non-majoritarian parts

1:08:47

of those systems in order to do

1:08:50

that. You have to have enough of

1:08:52

a critical mass but not a majority.

1:08:54

Now, I think what's concerning is

1:08:57

that Trump may be doing the

1:08:59

seemingly impossible, which is

1:09:02

to combine this spiking of the

1:09:04

white vote with a lot

1:09:06

of racist messaging

1:09:10

with an appeal that is

1:09:12

actually expanding beyond white voters.

1:09:15

And this is the kind of paradoxical

1:09:17

and impossible things that happen in politics.

1:09:22

Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you

1:09:24

off there, John, but I am just

1:09:26

curious because we interviewed David Broder last

1:09:28

week on what's happening in Europe and

1:09:31

how the

1:09:33

European Union parliamentary elections really spell

1:09:35

bad things, I think, for some

1:09:37

of these centrist center left,

1:09:39

but really just centrist parties within

1:09:41

Europe. How much do

1:09:44

you attribute the lack of a real,

1:09:47

robust left or leftist representation

1:09:49

in the Democratic Party to

1:09:51

the ability for these

1:09:53

kinds of coalitions to form or these kinds

1:09:56

of politics to feel more salient for people?

1:09:59

Well, I do believe in

1:10:01

Europe especially, the

1:10:05

radical right is the only,

1:10:07

I mean this may

1:10:09

be changing slightly in France, is the

1:10:12

only person, the only political voice

1:10:14

that's giving, giving

1:10:18

a hearing to discontent about the

1:10:20

way the economy has been arranged

1:10:22

for the past 30 or 40 years. It's

1:10:26

unfortunate that that's the case. I

1:10:31

think sometimes populist is the wrong word for

1:10:33

it, but they're not called populist for nothing.

1:10:35

There is a rejection there

1:10:38

of economic elites that seem to have geared

1:10:42

the economy in their favor and doesn't seem to

1:10:44

be a lot of hope for people

1:10:46

who are working in lower middle class.

1:10:50

There's a similar thing going on in the United States.

1:10:56

Only now we've gone through a period, I

1:10:58

think Biden has done some

1:11:00

things that liberals, leftists, progressives were

1:11:02

waiting for a very long time for

1:11:05

a Democrat to do, did

1:11:07

not fully institutionalize all of them. Inflation

1:11:13

has been a very big

1:11:15

challenge to convince people that

1:11:17

a more progressive

1:11:19

economy would require a great deal of

1:11:22

social spending. The argument is now easily

1:11:25

made, well we tried that and now

1:11:27

we got rampant inflation which is hurting

1:11:29

our wages. The

1:11:31

argument that many tried for

1:11:34

a little bit and I think somewhat shamefully

1:11:36

that there wasn't really such a thing as

1:11:38

inflation is no longer working.

1:11:42

It seems like inflation is getting under control, but

1:11:44

yes, unfortunately there is not a

1:11:46

very loud

1:11:50

voice, I mean you have Bernie, Elizabeth

1:11:52

Warren, to a certain extent a

1:11:54

loud voice in the United States that

1:11:57

is speaking the language of

1:11:59

economic populism. left that's also difficult to do

1:12:01

as an incumbent because

1:12:03

you're basically saying we got

1:12:07

to throw the rascals out and

1:12:10

replace them with people who are going to help you out

1:12:12

while you've been in power for the

1:12:14

past four years, at least on the level of the

1:12:16

presidency. Running as

1:12:18

a populist in common is a tough trick

1:12:21

to pull. I mean, it's also sort

1:12:23

of like there's a weird disconnect. Because

1:12:27

for the moment, let's put Biden's

1:12:29

foreign policy aside. Biden's

1:12:34

series of policies I

1:12:38

think were the most effective

1:12:40

or at least the biggest attempt

1:12:42

I've seen from

1:12:47

a Democratic president, certainly

1:12:50

more so than, and certainly stronger

1:12:52

on labor and antitrust.

1:12:56

And he was thwarted, I think in part because of

1:12:59

a tactical

1:13:01

or sort of maybe a ... I mean,

1:13:03

it's almost like the policies

1:13:06

are one thing, but there's almost like

1:13:08

a dispositional thing that makes you behave

1:13:11

a certain way, that communicates it as

1:13:13

well as the policies. If

1:13:15

he didn't feel like he had

1:13:17

to invite Republicans in after the

1:13:19

American Rescue Plan and had just

1:13:21

gone in, in that after March

1:13:23

when the Republicans are talking about

1:13:26

Dr. Seuss in 2021

1:13:28

and he's just passed

1:13:30

a $2 trillion bill, if he had come

1:13:32

in that summer and said, here's my bill

1:13:34

back better instead of like, well, let's

1:13:37

let the Republicans come in. Okay, that didn't

1:13:39

work. Let's let Sinema and Port make him

1:13:41

in. Meanwhile, that's when Manchin's on the

1:13:43

phone with his donors going, what am I supposed

1:13:45

to do? And it gives

1:13:47

them time to array. If he hadn't done that,

1:13:49

which was a dispositional thing, it wasn't just

1:13:51

tactical. It was like a sense that

1:13:54

was broader. He undercut

1:13:56

the momentum, it seems. Well, I think this

1:13:59

is a fact. of

1:14:01

Biden's age, not in the

1:14:03

sense that he's senile

1:14:05

or frail, but in the sense that

1:14:08

his mentality is in

1:14:10

a previous political era. And as you see this

1:14:12

both in his foreign and his domestic policy, is

1:14:15

that his disposition towards Republicans,

1:14:17

his speaking language of bipartisanship,

1:14:20

is definitely appealing to

1:14:23

some people, but is a different era. We live in

1:14:25

a highly polarized era. I

1:14:27

think that the Democrats that were likely

1:14:30

to betray

1:14:32

maybe too strong a word, for their own

1:14:36

political reasons, not with the

1:14:38

president's agenda, I

1:14:41

think that's a factor of just the fact that

1:14:43

the election was a closely run thing and they

1:14:45

were seeing that Republicans were still

1:14:48

out there and mobilized and they

1:14:50

could suffer if they went too

1:14:52

far to the left. But yeah,

1:14:54

I think in his foreign policy as well, he

1:14:57

looks at the Middle East and he sees Rabin and

1:14:59

not Ben

1:15:01

Gveer and Belazs was

1:15:15

that he represented an earlier

1:15:18

consensus of doing politics that

1:15:21

was more reasonable and

1:15:24

gentler. Unfortunately, he's

1:15:27

stuck in the

1:15:29

thinking of that era and those are

1:15:31

no longer the cards we have to

1:15:34

play. So I think

1:15:36

Biden's age shows itself there. I'm

1:15:38

sorry to say it. I

1:15:40

wish he was doing a better job. I

1:15:43

don't want to sit here and criticize

1:15:45

Democratic incumbent, but it is remarkable that

1:15:47

he isn't a

1:15:50

close... I mean, I think some of this,

1:15:52

you just have to give it to Trump and his particular talents

1:15:54

and what he brings to the political arena,

1:15:56

but it is remarkable to be neck

1:15:58

and neck essentially against a man

1:16:00

who tried to overthrow the government of the

1:16:02

United States. Oh, convicted felon

1:16:05

too, by the way. And a convicted felon. John, I'm

1:16:07

not sure if you forgot about that part. There's that

1:16:09

too. But I

1:16:11

just think that that may show, well, I

1:16:14

think it shows two things. I think it shows the

1:16:16

extreme headwinds, the

1:16:18

unique confluence of forces

1:16:21

in American politics. But it also frankly just

1:16:23

shows that, you know, I

1:16:25

think a more young, a younger, more

1:16:27

dynamic politician might be

1:16:29

able to deal with these issues more

1:16:33

smoothly. And we'd be

1:16:36

having a different conversation right now. But

1:16:39

I don't think that Biden is fated to

1:16:41

lose. I'm not a doomer in that sense.

1:16:43

I think that Trump has significant

1:16:45

problems to overcome and Biden can

1:16:48

win the election still. He

1:16:50

is not buried. He's

1:16:52

struggling. It's a fight. It's a

1:16:55

competitive election. Yeah, I think

1:16:57

that unfortunately, both domestically and

1:16:59

internationally, he's a man of another era. All

1:17:02

right. We've held you for so long. I

1:17:04

really appreciate your indulgence. But let me just

1:17:06

one last question. Of course. Where

1:17:09

in the event that that Biden,

1:17:11

and I have to say, like, if I had

1:17:13

to bet, and I'd rather not. And

1:17:17

despite the motivated reasoning, I would bet that Biden is

1:17:19

going to win. And

1:17:21

a lot of it is just is a

1:17:24

sheer demography. And there's a polling out today

1:17:26

that showed he's up still by 23 points

1:17:29

with essentially young

1:17:31

people. And they're just

1:17:35

sheer numbers. There's more young people

1:17:37

now in this electorate than

1:17:39

there were in 2020 because of the size

1:17:43

of the generations and COVID,

1:17:45

frankly. But that's just the

1:17:48

reality. So if he wins by even close

1:17:50

to the same margins of young people, we're

1:17:53

talking maybe millions more votes, frankly.

1:17:56

But putting that aside, assume

1:17:58

that that happens. like where does

1:18:00

the democratic party go and where does the

1:18:03

republican party go in broad strokes i mean

1:18:05

i did this a little bit outside your

1:18:07

portfolio maybe but uh... well

1:18:09

i'm curious is he do these

1:18:12

trajectories maintain i

1:18:15

don't know i i i always really try to avoid

1:18:17

making predictions and this is why i'm a historian uh...

1:18:20

because it's easy to talk about the past is very

1:18:22

hard talk with future and there's no quicker way to

1:18:24

sound like an idiot than to make a prediction uh...

1:18:27

i do think that this republican

1:18:29

civil war that's being predicted for many

1:18:31

years uh... in

1:18:33

the wake of a a trump

1:18:35

defeat that didn't really happen in in

1:18:37

twenty twenty because his defeat was so

1:18:39

close to use also strong and

1:18:42

he really kept the hearts and minds of republican

1:18:44

voters that may occur and

1:18:46

that republican party may go

1:18:48

through some kind of perj and say maga

1:18:51

is not the way forward and obviously there's no

1:18:53

other as i were saying earlier is no other

1:18:55

figure can kinda uh... replicated

1:18:58

or i i can it's very difficult

1:19:00

to envision someone doing with the same

1:19:02

set of skills i

1:19:04

don't know i think the republican party will probably undergo

1:19:07

very tumultuous time uh... reinventing

1:19:09

himself and it will emerges

1:19:12

some synthesis of what

1:19:14

it became under donald trump and maybe

1:19:18

you know uh... nod back to being

1:19:20

a more conventional political party whether

1:19:23

or not that successful national

1:19:25

proposition i don't know i'd you know i i

1:19:28

i they could very well lose on that they

1:19:30

could win on that the democrats

1:19:33

i again it's hard to say you

1:19:35

know the the leaders of the democrat

1:19:38

party are quite old and

1:19:40

even the ones that are not uh...

1:19:45

seem quite conventional in a lot of ways i mean

1:19:47

he came jeffrey's is not is is a is

1:19:50

a is a is a very middle of the

1:19:53

road politician i don't think that he has

1:19:55

a bold vision for the

1:19:57

future of the democratic party I

1:20:00

think he's interested in keeping donors happy. I think

1:20:02

he's interested in keeping the coalition together so far

1:20:04

as it exists. I don't think he

1:20:07

is a visionary. And I don't think, I think perhaps

1:20:10

calling him a hack would be too far, but I

1:20:12

mean, there's an argument to be made. And

1:20:16

I think that, yeah, I don't

1:20:19

know who represents the future of

1:20:21

the Democratic party. The politician who

1:20:23

still has my heart, if not always, you

1:20:25

know, my mind is Bernie Sanders. I think now

1:20:28

he has more of my mind because

1:20:30

he seems to be such a constructive

1:20:32

member of

1:20:35

the coalition so far as exists on the Hill. But,

1:20:39

and his successors are under constant political

1:20:41

attack, you know, as you guys were

1:20:43

talking about before I went on the

1:20:45

air. So I think it's

1:20:48

difficult to say where the Democratic party goes. I

1:20:50

think the struggle over whether or not it needs

1:20:52

to tack to the left or the right is

1:20:57

going to be ongoing. The future of

1:20:59

our, of how we think

1:21:01

about foreign policy is

1:21:04

going to be decided by this

1:21:07

election or at least many arguments will

1:21:09

arise about how the election goes. So

1:21:12

I don't know, but I do know that the

1:21:14

struggles, the struggles over these things will continue and

1:21:17

intensify. Whoever loses the election will, you know, have

1:21:19

some kind of civil

1:21:21

wars and purges. Yeah,

1:21:23

I wonder, I wonder if the Republican civil

1:21:26

war hasn't already happened and we just didn't

1:21:28

realize it. It happened in 2016 and 2015 to

1:21:30

a certain degree. I

1:21:32

think so, right? I mean, the

1:21:34

Paul Ryan's like, you know, Cantor,

1:21:36

Paul, look at the young guns.

1:21:39

But maybe that's the optimistic take

1:21:41

is that the Sanders campaign was the

1:21:43

Buchanan kind of trial run

1:21:46

for maybe a future candidate who can win. I

1:21:49

mean, perhaps, right? A lot of

1:21:51

that rhetoric may be being echoed in the future. I'm

1:21:54

really optimistic around you. Oh, I'm

1:21:56

trying. John, thank you so much.

1:21:59

Really fascinating. stuff. The

1:22:02

book is When the Clock Broke, Con

1:22:04

Men, Conspiracies, and

1:22:06

How America Cracked Up in the Early 1990s. We'll

1:22:09

put a link to that and your

1:22:11

sub-stack on Popular Front at majority.fm and then

1:22:13

the podcast and YouTube description. Really appreciate your

1:22:15

time today. Yeah, thanks so much for having

1:22:18

me. It was great. Thanks so much.

1:22:20

All right, folks. We went a

1:22:22

little bit long. John was very

1:22:25

indulgent with us and much appreciated.

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1:22:56

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1:22:59

this election may be won tomorrow

1:23:01

if there's enough people who go

1:23:03

out and vote. Do

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that. Very, very important. This is

1:23:09

very important, not just for like this moment,

1:23:11

but as Emma

1:23:14

says, down the road. We didn't even

1:23:16

get to ...

1:23:18

The thing I want to talk about, John,

1:23:21

was Trump was

1:23:23

running a third party candidacy within the infrastructure

1:23:25

of the existing Republican Party, which is really ...

1:23:28

And there's a reason why he did that.

1:23:30

He's a reason why he didn't run for

1:23:32

the reform candidacy because he ... He

1:23:35

wants to win. You go where the resources are. Yeah.

1:23:38

And the left

1:23:42

of the Democratic Party is nowhere

1:23:44

at that point yet, but

1:23:47

2016 was a little bit close.

1:23:51

I'm quite convinced that had

1:23:53

Bernie Sanders anticipated how well

1:23:56

he would do, and had he gotten to the race six

1:23:58

to eight months earlier. and had

1:24:00

a serious candidacy uh... from

1:24:04

the beginning in the intention of winning

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i think we move very different uh...

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they can't you know what it is worse than the

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championship house but i think they'll get up in

1:25:00

time for morning joe kikak

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easy was gonna tell how

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to miss his favorite show uh...

1:25:09

yes we had we're not going to be

1:25:11

as the end today executive decision because of

1:25:13

this incredible comeback by the oilers in game

1:25:15

seven is tonight select it would be completely

1:25:17

outdated for us to analyze it and then

1:25:20

game sevens tonight we'll be back on tuesday

1:25:22

will talk about that also uh... the

1:25:25

wnba playoff races heating up the

1:25:27

uh... the chicago had a huge win against

1:25:29

the cabling fox indiana fever uh...

1:25:31

were angel reese had a career best game

1:25:34

we'll talk a little bit more about the

1:25:36

state of that and more tomorrow tomorrow p

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s a youtube.com/esv and show tonight will know

1:25:40

when the stand the company really it's a

1:25:42

it's been a great play off for that

1:25:44

for hockey sounds like somebody doesn't want to

1:25:46

uh... make prediction that's going to get uh...

1:25:48

be uh... sess so quickly i have a

1:25:50

good make a prediction that it's already went

1:25:52

super poor wire so yes

1:25:57

that's done because

1:26:00

I actually did OK from my only

1:26:02

bets of the playoffs were on the

1:26:04

Celtics winning that game. I

1:26:06

did all right, reinvested it back into the

1:26:09

Panthers closing it out at home. And now

1:26:11

it's invested. It talks about

1:26:13

it like it's reinvested, reinvested.

1:26:15

That's why Emma was like

1:26:17

searching the couch for quarters.

1:26:21

Yeah, when you came in, like I was

1:26:23

here early just scrounging the office. Sam,

1:26:26

are you going to be returning these

1:26:28

cans? Hey, can I get

1:26:30

my Christmas bonus up front? Like really, really

1:26:32

upfront? He's recycling things. You're not going to.

1:26:36

What are you guys doing with this tape

1:26:38

recorder over here? Can we need to like

1:26:40

maybe eBay that eBay that? Come on, you

1:26:43

guys, you got to get with the

1:26:45

stock markets. Old news. It's putting your

1:26:47

money into the house. What makes

1:26:49

you think the stock market?

1:26:52

We're not doing that either. Yeah,

1:26:55

Milton Alomati, patreon.com left reckoning. We

1:26:58

talked to Milton about the South

1:27:00

Africa election and the new coalition

1:27:02

with the ANC and the White

1:27:05

Opposition Party, which they did oppose apartheid,

1:27:07

which is good. They also oppose any

1:27:09

sort of land reform that

1:27:11

was promised at the winding down

1:27:13

of apartheid. So not great stuff

1:27:15

going on in South Africa right

1:27:17

now. patreon.com just left reckoning here.

1:27:19

I talk with Milton. See

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you in the fun half. All

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right, folks. 64625 739 20. See you in the fun. Oh,

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are back, back, just as delicious

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males are back, back, back.

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alpha males are back back back

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just want to degrade the white

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no Sam cedar what a what

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couple of them just put them

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in rotation DJ dinner well the

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45 seconds long so I don't know if they're

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a lot of who have um

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your tried doing an impression on a college campus?

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reasonable people across the divide can't all

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agree with this psych

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