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Alwayst.

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Eleventh, I got a call from Dina

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this morning, said LeBlanc was driving

0:39

down wanted us to all meet in person. It

0:42

must be important if you dure now for Nashville.

0:49

Jill, how you holding up?

0:53

I don't fucking know anymore.

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Honestly, the only thing I can do

0:56

right now is keep digging for answers

0:59

to listen.

1:00

I'm so sorry about Tyler Wilson.

1:03

I know you too, were close back in the day.

1:06

I don't understand it. I

1:08

guess you lost this shit. I don't know.

1:12

Or maybe he was the same one and it's the rest

1:14

of us that they're completely insane.

1:16

Either way, Tyler.

1:18

Knew something something we don't not

1:21

yet.

1:22

Anyway, how about

1:24

you, are you taking care of

1:26

yourself?

1:27

What do you mean?

1:29

Do you have a psychiatrist.

1:32

Where'd you disappear too last night that you were win?

1:34

Hey?

1:35

Oh yeah, I'm sorry. I couldn't sleep

1:37

so I wouldn't get in my car. How's

1:39

Jimmy? Good

1:41

morning?

1:42

I thank you all for coming.

1:44

Well, what is it then?

1:47

I'm sorry. There's no easy way

1:49

to tell you what. They

1:51

rejected our appeal.

1:53

Fucker's why, Dana

1:55

hold on? I'm sorry,

1:57

mister Leblant, But did we miss

1:59

the dead No?

2:01

No, Look, we made the deadline by the skin

2:03

of our teeth. But they still

2:05

rejected the claim. Why lacking

2:09

in merit?

2:10

The fuck does that mean the testimony of

2:12

the key witness was coerced? They found

2:14

new evidence the.

2:15

Next and all the suspicious shit with Tyler Shirley.

2:17

There's an error.

2:18

Look, we knew it was a long

2:20

shot. That they even read or

2:22

applied to the brief as a goddamn miracle. The

2:25

State Supreme Court does not have

2:27

to take the case, and in this instance they

2:29

simply let the appellate Court's decisions stand.

2:32

Okay, we anticipated this and

2:35

we had to do it to exhaust all possible appeals.

2:37

And the

2:41

good news is that they.

2:42

Got back to us and read a short order Okay,

2:44

they could have sat on it until the last minute. But as

2:46

it stands now, we still have time

2:48

to ask for clemency. We can

2:50

still make a request to the governor for relief from

2:53

the death sentence.

2:55

Do you know the governor?

2:58

I know somebody that knows the governor who

3:03

Bobby Hadley.

3:04

That's right, there's

3:06

a situation with

3:08

mister Hadley and Dina, a situation.

3:10

That's right.

3:11

He may be incentivized to make

3:13

a personal appeal on James Fincher's.

3:16

Behalf encouraging, and I

3:18

for.

3:18

One am not giving up. Not

3:21

if there is any thread of a chance,

3:23

we can ask the governor to at least postpone

3:26

the execution.

3:27

Or commute the sentence to life in prison.

3:29

Julian, where are you going now?

3:32

Every minute we sit here sixty seconds

3:35

less of Finch's life.

3:36

What do we need? More proof, more evidence that it

3:38

wasn't Finch you murdered the Hadley brothers.

3:40

We need something more than circumstantial.

3:43

Did you find out where to tech to? Smith's car was.

3:45

Found waiting on a callback as we speak,

3:50

Dina, Hey, look

3:52

at me.

3:53

I'm close.

3:55

I am so goddamn close. I

3:57

can smell them. Don't

3:59

give up.

4:24

The moss seems tired with

4:27

the clean

4:31

inside tells

4:33

these tells

4:37

these.

4:40

There was no piece of evidence that was never recounted

4:43

for five births found under

4:45

Thomas Hadley's fingernails.

4:47

Red wolf.

4:49

Maybe Griff Washington's dog had a red collar

4:51

on or something, but if it did, the

4:53

red collar was never found. So

4:56

where did the red wolf come from?

5:00

To the

5:03

true

5:09

to the.

5:13

Two boys are dead? These are

5:15

good people. They just want

5:17

justice.

5:18

And I would think that you, of

5:20

all people, would be able to relate

5:22

to that.

5:22

Solomon Sheriff, I.

5:25

Know what killed my boy.

5:28

Somebody's feeling how they

5:31

know? We'll

5:33

see the bird.

5:40

When you He

5:46

couldn't exactly trust the sharer of soltis.

5:49

So whatever Solomon Smith knew, he

5:52

took that intol with him.

5:55

Where was he last seen? Not

5:57

sure.

5:59

That on his car though, about

6:02

a decade ago, just

6:04

north of here. I think maybe

6:07

I can dig up the police report.

6:32

Did you find it?

6:33

Hello?

6:34

Did you find the interview?

6:35

Good timing?

6:36

You're ready to take a few questions like.

6:38

The interview, the interview with Detective Smith

6:41

two thousand and seven, It would have been late June

6:43

or early July.

6:45

You mean the one where he tried to expose Sheriff

6:47

Hooper for targeting.

6:48

Jamis despite other leaders.

6:51

The one he gave before he vanished

6:53

mysterious.

6:54

That would be the ones did

6:56

you find it?

6:57

I did, and I digitized it right here on

6:59

this thumb drive.

7:01

WHOA, now, hold on, not just yet?

7:03

Deal's deal huh.

7:05

First, let's get your interviewing

7:09

hug this, lamp up your ass and plug it in.

7:11

Okay, okay, okay, gee,

7:16

maybe maybe a new buck board, a piece and.

7:18

You or something.

7:19

Think about it.

7:29

Seasoned detectives understand they must

7:31

take a step back and look at the whole

7:33

picture and exhaust all investigative avenue

7:35

used to present the best case they can to

7:37

the district attorney.

7:39

And didn't you do that with James Cincher?

7:41

Absolutely not. It

7:44

was nearly impossible to narrow the focus

7:46

to him.

7:46

When there are still other suspects on the board.

7:48

Other suspects.

7:50

Can you tell us who?

7:53

Off the record?

7:55

Okay, okay, fine,

7:57

yeah, off the record. I'm

8:00

still interested in the boys who found the bodies.

8:03

They were both absent from school the same day

8:05

the Hadley boys went missing.

8:07

Tyler Wilson and Julian Salis,

8:09

but Sallace gave you information that led to James

8:11

Finzer.

8:13

He told Sheriff Hooper, and that

8:15

boy was so scared and sleep deprived and hungry,

8:17

he would have told Hooper that Fincher shot

8:20

JFK if that's what Hooper wanted.

8:23

So are you suggesting that Solace was.

8:25

Coerced by by Hooper and

8:28

his father?

8:29

His father, Paul Solace,

8:31

is still a person of interest in my book.

8:33

And you believe these are more likely suspects

8:36

than James Fincher.

8:37

It doesn't matter what I believe, It matters

8:39

what I know. I know these

8:41

are suspects of no alibi. Suspects

8:44

were a clear motive. That's

8:47

not the only difference. What's

8:51

the other difference?

8:54

These suspects are white?

8:57

So now you're playing the race card.

9:00

Tell me the truth.

9:01

That's what this is really about.

9:02

Being with you.

9:03

Goddamn right, it is, and it should be for you too.

9:06

Why do you think I'm doing this interview? Where

9:08

the hell are you guys in all this? Where's

9:10

the goddamn investigative journalism?

9:13

All you jokers do is report what Hooper tells

9:15

you as if it's the truth. You ain't the press,

9:18

your mouthpiece for the local authorities.

9:20

Well, that's offensive.

9:22

I've never gone to the press before.

9:24

Never. I'm giving you a massive

9:27

window here. This is a national

9:29

story.

9:29

This is a chance to redeem yourselves,

9:32

an opportunity to embrace a little journalistic

9:35

integrity for a change, to do

9:37

your fucking job. So

9:40

take it or leave it, because

9:43

I'm going to the Times next.

9:53

Jew I've got it you ready.

9:56

Yeah, Tomman's car

9:58

was found at the bottom of Spounding Gorge

10:00

below Madison Road.

10:02

Matthewston, Yeah, right.

10:04

As mom mark of thirteen, a

10:06

hunter founded apparently. Let's

10:08

see the reporters

10:10

from October twenty tenth, about

10:12

three years.

10:13

At the Smithson miss did you see Matheson?

10:15

Yeah, my Mark at thirteen. The

10:18

car was rusted out, maybe went off

10:20

the side of the road. I mean that kind of

10:22

thing.

10:22

Happens every year on these wide mountain.

10:24

Roads, you know, but normally

10:26

they find the driver too.

10:29

It was definitely registered to detect

10:31

a Smith Matthison.

10:33

Yester, you didn't why that's

10:40

where we lived, my dad.

10:42

I mean, I'm nur distant road right around the ben

10:44

there, just

10:46

past my mark at thirteen.

11:01

It's Wednesday, still

11:04

August eleventh. I think I'm

11:07

driving up.

11:08

The Mountain uh Matthison

11:10

Road, and I feel it again, the

11:14

pull, like I'm leaning

11:16

over an endless abyss.

11:19

And the fog beat me here. But it

11:21

doesn't matter. I could drive

11:23

this road blindfolded. I

11:25

know it like my own skin.

11:30

I'm trying to comprehend how it's possible,

11:33

but I can't deny this. Everything

11:37

is pointing directly at it, at

11:41

him.

11:45

My father.

11:49

In two thousand and seven, his life was in turmoil.

11:52

He had been grieving Mom's death for less than

11:55

a year. The hospital bills were

11:57

crippling Jesus. He cursed

11:59

our poverty every day, and it was

12:01

no secret in our house that he despised

12:03

Bobby Hadley. Then

12:07

he sees me getting tormented

12:09

by Bobby Hadley's sons. They

12:14

cornered me in the library, beat

12:16

me up, scissor my hair off, and

12:19

later that same week, my dad was fired, fired

12:22

from his job at the Hadley Dealership, a

12:24

job he'd had my whole life. My

12:28

God, if anyone

12:30

had a motive to kill, detect

12:34

to Smith. He was

12:36

on my dad's trail, and

12:39

Smith's car was found at the bottom of the gorge.

12:41

Directly below our old house. Maybe

12:44

it was just a coincidence, maybe

12:46

another devil's prank.

12:50

Or maybe my father just snapped. The

12:55

world is a dark and

12:57

unjust place where the cowards and the

12:59

cruel ragin supreme, and

13:02

so maybe

13:05

he snapped.

13:12

And we're here.

13:20

The drive is overgrown.

13:21

It's uh, it's

13:24

been a lot of years since anyone probably came down

13:26

this way.

13:29

But uh, this

13:32

is that.

13:34

Wear here where

13:40

m This is a ground zero

13:42

for my existence, this

13:45

place.

13:47

Where I was born, where

13:49

I grew up, where

13:52

my mother died, where

13:55

my house stood before it was guarded by fire.

13:58

It burned almost to the ground as

14:00

soon as I left here.

14:04

Jesus, Oh,

14:07

Jesus Christ. There

14:13

was not much left, just

14:16

blackened and rotting remains of the house.

14:19

I saw the pictures after it first burned,

14:22

a hollow shell, windows

14:25

blown out, like an empty, leering

14:29

skull. Now

14:31

it's caved in, brick

14:34

ruins, overtaken with Thignes and Kutzu.

14:38

It's hard to explain what I

14:40

saw in that moment, more

14:43

than a shadow, less than

14:45

a person, the

14:51

gray man down

14:54

by the southwest corner of the house, behind

14:56

the trees.

14:57

What what the fuck do you want?

14:59

He was most no

15:01

reaction at all.

15:02

Why are you following me, just stood

15:04

there in the shadows. As

15:08

I moved closer, he became obscure by

15:10

this huge, gnarled oak tree there,

15:13

the same one that once held a swing where

15:15

my mother used to push me. It

15:19

was just a blink an

15:21

instance. As I came around

15:23

the curved drive, he was gone.

15:26

Any other time I'd have excused

15:28

it as a trick of the light. The

15:30

cloud gusts surged along the ridge of forty

15:32

miles an hour, strange movement everywhere,

15:35

the mind playing its games.

15:39

But I knew better.

15:42

I walked to the oak tree. The

15:44

rope of the tire swing and long since broken,

15:46

and the rubber tire was almost completely buried

15:49

under dirtant leaves. But

15:52

there was something else there lying

15:54

on the ground.

15:55

Oh my god.

15:58

Then I saw it.

16:01

The scarf, my

16:04

mom's red scarf. You gotta be

16:06

fucking kidding me. I

16:15

could feel the gray man's eyes

16:17

on me.

16:19

I scanned the woods, hoping he would turn his gray

16:21

stare, but he was nowhere to be found.

16:24

I circled the yard, then, tracing the shadows

16:26

that stretched into the woods, but

16:30

he was gone.

16:34

Instead, my eyes fixed on a small,

16:36

half rotten wooden door leading to

16:38

the cross space, under the buried ruins

16:40

and the foundation of the house that was

16:42

still intact.

16:45

I crawled in.

16:47

It was pitch black. I turned

16:50

on the flashlight on my phone and raised it into the darkness,

16:53

damp earth covered in animals catting debris.

16:56

The floor joists and hartwood pond floorboards

16:58

that withstood the fire, but they were rotten

17:01

and sagging downward, making

17:03

a low space feel perilously

17:06

tight. Something

17:09

scurried for the back end of the darkness,

17:12

just at a range of my flashlight. I panted

17:14

across the space until until

17:17

something glinted in the darkness in a

17:19

far corner, just

17:21

enough light to catch the eye. Damn

17:23

it, I

17:26

could feel it. This

17:29

place, just below where

17:31

I'd spent my youth.

17:36

It was a place of death.

17:39

The earth was black and wet

17:42

and harbored, no life except for

17:44

a large growth of mushrooms there

17:46

in the furthest corner of the cross space, where

17:48

the brick had crumbled away, perhaps allow

17:51

on some sunlight through in the daytime. The

17:53

earth around it was sunken in and the fungus

17:56

seemed to bloom from there. I

18:01

crawled on my belly, inch

18:03

by painful inch. The dampness

18:05

seeping into my bones.

18:07

And other worldly chill.

18:09

A strange breeze making its way through the cracks

18:12

of the broken house above reminded.

18:14

Me of the breath of the caves.

18:22

Then I saw what looked like a leather a

18:25

container jutting from the sunken earth.

18:29

I dug.

18:31

The soil was loose here in the sunken spot,

18:34

not tamped down by time like the rest of the

18:36

ground in the space, someone

18:39

had dug here. The

18:42

angle was difficult lying down, My

18:44

shoulders cramped and fingernails got caked

18:46

with earth.

18:47

But finally, yeah,

18:50

something emerged. It

18:53

was a holstered gun, still

18:56

attached to its owner.

18:59

It was at long before I uncovered the black cloth

19:01

of a suit coat, tattered and

19:03

rotten, but still intact.

19:05

And it wasn't long after that that I unearthed

19:07

the bones ribs

19:13

vertebrate.

19:14

I traced the coat sleeves to the scalpetal

19:17

remains of a hand. There

19:21

I found a wristwatching a ring, Dad,

19:25

what did you do? Most

19:28

importantly, I noticed

19:30

there was something bulging from the inside coat

19:32

pocket, a

19:35

small cassette player.

19:37

Mostly preserved in the silk.

19:40

Lining in folds of cloth. I

19:43

crawled back out with all the contents of the bag.

20:10

I set the red.

20:11

Scarf down on the passenger seat, I

20:15

put the nine millimeter pistol in the club box,

20:18

and I carefully started the cassette player.

20:22

Joe twenty fourth, two thousand and seven. They

20:25

captured their monsters.

20:27

Dammit what.

20:42

Joe twenty fourth, two thousand and seven, they

20:44

captured their mossia. Yesterday James

20:47

Fincher was arrested and charged with

20:49

a double homicide. And I'm still not

20:51

satisfied. I

20:54

drove back up Roots seventeen to the caves

20:56

to take the motion sense of cams.

20:57

This morning. They picked up a few

21:00

visitors paying respect.

21:02

They left flowers and burned candles at the

21:04

front of the cave, but only

21:06

one visitor looked familiar. The

21:09

motion sensor caught him moving through the shadows,

21:13

no flashlight, and the night

21:15

vision is grainy. But he's a He's a tall man,

21:18

beard, baseball recover

21:21

rolls, scarfed.

21:28

He didn't leave any flowers.

21:31

First time the camera picked him up was June

21:34

sixteenth.

21:36

Saturday, midnight.

21:38

One month after the Hadley Boys went missing,

21:42

same day of the week, same time

21:44

of day, and here

21:46

he is again. One week later, Saturday,

21:49

June twenty third, midnight

21:53

and he ain't leaving no flowers. Someone's

22:00

coming up the drive.

22:08

Hello, Sheriff, what could

22:10

you possibly want?

22:15

And you brought backup, Sheriff

22:21

Hooper.

22:23

To what do I.

22:24

Owe this on?

22:25

I'm just here to talk, Solomon.

22:27

Oh, we're on first

22:29

name basis again. Now are we?

22:31

Can I come in?

22:34

You don't see why not?

22:36

I am here as a courtesy Detective

22:38

Smith.

22:39

Uh huh?

22:41

Go on, Now, we do things

22:43

a certain way here in Pottsfield, Detective.

22:46

Yeah, I'm aware.

22:47

And you going to the press as a big

22:49

fucking problem. For one thing,

22:52

it undermines our process.

22:54

It also pains your investigation in

22:56

a certain light that could endanger your ability

22:58

to put an innocent boy on death

23:00

road.

23:01

Goddamn it, Solomon, I know to

23:03

Solomon, all right, you listen to me, Detective

23:06

you are office.

23:06

You listen, your spinest motherfucker.

23:09

You got a boy, a boy

23:11

locked up for a crime he didn't fucking

23:14

commit, says fucking you, And I will

23:16

continue to investigate.

23:17

Hell you as a private citizen

23:20

playing with fire boy.

23:22

Ah, there

23:24

it is.

23:27

You see.

23:29

It doesn't take much to shake the demons

23:31

and drive them into the fire.

23:34

Did you say.

23:37

I think that it would

23:39

be best.

23:41

If you move on.

23:44

Leave our town.

23:45

That a threat.

23:48

Let's just say, in Maniwauk

23:50

County, things happen

23:54

a certain way.

23:55

Like I said, I'm aware.

24:00

All right, Detective Smith, things

24:03

happen here to

24:06

people who dig and

24:08

try as I might, the best

24:10

I can do is

24:13

to curtail those things.

24:17

What the hell are you saying, Kirby,

24:20

that you can't control the good old boy.

24:22

No, it's

24:26

more than that. There's

24:33

something about this place, something

24:36

in the fog. I could

24:38

never put my finger on it, even

24:41

after a whole life spent here, and god

24:43

knows I have tried. And

24:46

it's not just your normal small town

24:48

bigotry.

24:51

I mean, now, obviously that's here too, but there's

24:56

something deeper. It's

25:00

a rot. Beneath

25:02

the rot, people

25:06

who try to suss it out, bad

25:11

things happen.

25:15

Look, if you're going to threaten me, just do it.

25:17

That ain't it, Solomon.

25:22

Look I do respect you, Detective Smith,

25:24

genuinely, I admire you. And

25:27

I don't know for sure about the Fencer

25:29

kid, but I do know for sure

25:31

that he was involved and

25:34

all he'd have to do to throw

25:36

us off his scent would be to talk. That's

25:39

it, and

25:41

he won't.

25:42

And why do you think that is?

25:47

Well, I know what you're thinking, that

25:49

he's scared of me. But Detective,

25:52

it's

25:54

more he

25:57

feels what I do. There's

26:01

something deeper here, something

26:04

beyond his control and

26:08

beyond mind. All

26:11

I can do is try

26:14

to keep it in check.

26:18

That's some vague shit, Sheriff.

26:23

You haven't felt it, Yeah,

26:28

yeah, you have.

26:33

Give me one more night, Detective,

26:36

Sheriff, one more

26:39

to tie up a couple of loose ends.

26:41

We visit a few ideas. If

26:43

I don't find what I need, I'll

26:46

be gone by dawn. Won't

26:48

even say goodbye. It'll be like I was never even

26:51

here.

26:54

Where are you gonna go?

26:55

You got family somewhere.

26:59

They're all long gone. Only brother

27:01

died a few years back. Our

27:04

next wife, who hates my guts.

27:06

Been there.

27:08

I'll bet.

27:15

All right, fine,

27:18

fine, old

27:23

billy voodoo bullshit.

27:27

Sorry, Kirby,

27:29

but I ain't going nowhere. Saturday,

27:41

June thirtieth, two thousand and seven,

27:44

seven twenty am, I'm heading

27:47

Upstate Route seventeen to the Griff

27:49

Washington property.

27:54

Richard Rydale couldn't hide

27:57

forever, even in a major

27:59

metravelers like Atlanta a concrete

28:01

jungle. But

28:03

this is a different environment, this

28:07

backwater delivering shithole.

28:11

The population of all Man of Walk County

28:13

is less than three percent that of Atlanta.

28:19

But the method works the scale, just

28:22

follow the patterns. A

28:25

killers returned eventually to

28:27

the scene of the crime. Got

28:31

my tent, a good sleeping

28:33

bag, all the food I need. We're

28:37

gonna live in a cave for a while, called

28:40

a stakeout. Radell

28:45

returned to the scene of his greatest

28:47

night. I'm sure whoever killed

28:49

those Hadley boys were return again too,

28:53

just like he did last Saturday and

28:56

the Saturday before that.

29:13

June thirtieth and eleven fifty

29:15

two. Perm got ahead.

29:18

Hard to make him out, but he's down there at

29:21

the mouth of the caves. He looks

29:23

about six one, about

29:26

two hundred and maybe ten coveralls,

29:29

baseball.

29:30

Cap ride

29:34

on time, motherfucker. Now

29:41

what exactly the hell are you

29:43

doing here?

29:46

Wait a minute, Wait

29:50

a.

29:50

Minute, he's

29:52

on his knees praying.

29:58

Nope, not

30:01

a good look.

30:12

July first,

30:14

one, eleven AM

30:17

made my way back to the road ahead of the

30:19

subject. Mister

30:21

Midnight Prayer found

30:25

his truck here talked in,

30:27

turned about a few hundred meters up the road

30:29

and waited ret

30:32

the corn got

30:34

his plates. Sunday,

30:41

July first.

30:42

Nine am.

30:43

I couldn't risk following a midnight man

30:46

on Route seventeen or two am.

30:48

There's no way he wouldn't know he was being followed.

30:52

Ran the plates.

30:53

Though the truck

30:55

is registered to one Paul Solace.

30:58

I ain't very interesting incidence,

31:02

oh son. Julian happened to be one

31:04

of our first suspects, and

31:07

Julian is the one who found the bodies. And

31:11

it was Julian who pointed the finger

31:14

at James Fincher. I

31:17

guess I'm gonna need to have a chat.

31:19

With old Paul. Hello,

31:29

missus Sutlers catch Smith.

31:32

Sorry I didn't hear the door right away. I

31:34

don't get too many visitors. It's all

31:36

good. Look I you for

31:38

more information. I'm afraid Julian

31:40

has said everything he's know, so no.

31:42

No, no, no, I just I just need to I

31:44

just need to use your phone, my

31:47

phone, Yeah,

31:50

I need to call Triple A.

31:51

My car just blew a couple of tires on that sharp

31:53

curve down the road there.

31:56

Yeah, I care, what's got more than if.

31:58

You drivers a headache.

32:00

I'm sorry. Please come in this

32:05

way. How's

32:11

your boy.

32:13

Fine?

32:15

You there yesterday?

32:18

Sem a vacation. I

32:21

think he.

32:23

He needs to get away from all this. You

32:25

know, he's a starting college

32:27

in a couple of months. It's uh one of all these moving

32:30

boxes. Where

32:34

were you, head of Detective?

32:36

Uh?

32:37

Now, I'm going away too, actually, way

32:41

out of Pottsville moving.

32:44

Yeah, sorry

32:46

to hear it. I'm just I guess

32:48

your work is done. What's up the prosecution guys?

32:51

Now, Detective

32:53

Smith, we are all grateful the

32:56

expertise you brought to the case. I

32:59

hope you feel good about the results of your efforts.

33:02

Well, it's been a complicated

33:04

one, that's for certain.

33:07

Phone through here in the kitchen.

33:09

Thanks.

33:09

I'm just going to see a man about a horse real

33:11

quick. You want to coffee or something out yourself?

33:14

Yeah?

33:14

Thanks?

33:25

All right, Well

33:30

I'll be goddamn christ

33:38

scissors.

33:41

What you got there?

33:44

I don't know.

33:44

It looks like an old scarf just

33:46

to afford it here in this moving.

33:48

Bob, Please put that down. That's

33:52

special to me.

33:54

Missus Solace. Do

33:56

you know why we suspected your son, Julian?

34:00

No, I do not.

34:01

Simple First he

34:04

was absent from Carter High on May eighteenth.

34:06

And see only four students were

34:08

absent that day, Deacon and

34:10

Thomas Hadley. Of course, that was the

34:12

day they went missing. The other two were Tyler

34:15

Wilson and Julian.

34:17

I told Hooper, Julian

34:19

was with me that day. We went to the

34:21

cemetery that morning to pay her respects.

34:24

Julian's mother was later rest early that year.

34:26

Oh well, I'm sorry for your loss. The

34:29

other reason Julian was the.

34:31

Suspect was this year book picture

34:33

here Tyler Wilson, James

34:36

Fincher and Julian. When

34:38

I saw the scoff Julian's wearing in this picture,

34:41

it all made sense. This

34:43

is the same wool scarf

34:46

here in my hand, I believe, And.

34:49

You see here where it's been

34:52

stretched and torn.

34:52

Missus Sullis, I have a little hunched

34:55

matches the fabric found at the crime scene.

34:58

Red wool fibers.

35:00

It's like the ones found under Thomas Hadley's

35:02

fingernails.

35:02

That's my scarf the wife

35:05

n did before she died. Red

35:08

was a favorite color.

35:09

And what about these.

35:10

When my wife's so and says, why would so and scissors

35:12

have blood? On them, mister Saulas, But

35:15

I've been doing this for a while. I know what it

35:17

is when I see it that there

35:19

is dried blood.

35:24

Turn around, face

35:26

of sink.

35:30

You gonna shoot me? Paul, Please

35:33

turn around.

35:34

Look.

35:35

I know what it's like I do to

35:38

have a son who is bullied, daddy.

35:41

Why is everyone being mean to me?

35:43

That's what my boy asked me when he was only five years

35:45

old.

35:46

And it got worse if

35:48

only I could have seen it.

35:52

By the time he was in high school, he was completely

35:54

isolated. I thought

35:57

something was wrong with him.

35:59

I also

36:01

bullied him, shamed him

36:03

because I was disappointed that he was so

36:06

weak.

36:07

I thought he just needed to man up, thought

36:10

he needed tough love.

36:11

No matter how many times I screamed

36:13

at him, you are better than them,

36:16

it only made him more isolated, made

36:19

him feel even more let

36:21

down.

36:22

And the truth is he was

36:25

a disappointment.

36:28

Fuck it, I'll say it, might

36:30

as well say to the man who's got a gunpointed

36:32

at me.

36:32

And my boy knew it.

36:33

Too, knew I

36:35

was I was disappointed

36:37

at him,

36:40

knew I would never accept him for who

36:42

he was, and it only made

36:44

him feel more unlovable. Sound

36:47

familiar hmm, Because

36:51

my own son was bullied too, bullied

36:53

so bad he actually.

36:57

Took his own life.

37:02

So I understand as

37:05

a father, it

37:08

makes you want to kill, don't

37:12

it.

37:19

Just walk, turn

37:22

around and walk the back

37:24

door the house.

37:25

These nasty, spoiled fuckers

37:28

dumber's dirt, giving your boy

37:30

a regular.

37:31

Beatdown, and you were powerless

37:34

to stop it. Couldn't do shit.

37:38

Until you could, until

37:41

you had no choice.

37:44

That's why you got fired from the Hadley Dealership,

37:47

ain't it. You went to have a

37:49

chat with Bobby Hadley, man the man,

37:52

to see about getting his boys to stop

37:54

kicking the shit out of your kid, Julian,

37:58

but you lost your temper. You

38:01

threatened him and he canned your ass, didn't

38:03

he After twenty motherfucking

38:07

years, and.

38:08

You ain't rich like him.

38:09

You got to work to pay

38:12

for the way up for your son so he don't end up just

38:14

like you. I'm a be able to pay for medical

38:16

bills and funeral costs after your wife died

38:18

that horrible.

38:19

Slow death, leaving you

38:21

with nothing nothing

38:24

but your son, Julian and

38:27

this red wolf scarf. What

38:29

God damn it, Nah, I'm

38:32

not gonna do it. I

38:36

ain't going out back.

38:39

Shit, don't look at me like that. I'm

38:42

standing here holding evidence while you point

38:45

a shotgun at me.

38:46

Man, I know.

38:47

Which way the wind is blowing, and

38:49

I ain't going out like that.

38:54

Damn you're

38:57

smart, but

38:59

you are one hair offer.

39:01

Ben.

39:02

I'm on the business side of this barrel and

39:05

you are still making demands.

39:06

Ye goddamn right.

39:10

If you're gonna kill me, I'm not gonna let you do it

39:12

outside. It's gonna

39:14

be right here in the middle of

39:16

your home, where

39:19

you'll have to scrub the fucking cheap

39:21

bass linoleum to get the blood and bones

39:23

and fragments out. Well, you'll

39:25

have to use stain blocker and

39:28

plaster over pellet holes where

39:31

you'll have to see my ghosts every

39:34

fucking morning when you pour your couple

39:36

of weak ass folders and eat

39:38

your scrambled fucking eggs.

39:42

Please, dear, no,

39:44

no, please, I don't want

39:47

to have you can't you have to, goddamn

39:49

it.

39:51

This is the choice.

39:53

You are making, a choice you.

39:57

Now.

39:57

You can put the gun down and come quietly

39:59

with or you can shoot me dead in the

40:01

middle of this house, the one

40:04

you bought with your wife, the

40:06

one you wake up nights for your boy, hoping

40:09

he's ever gonna come back at all. But

40:12

I'm sure as hell they ain't gonna be an accessory

40:14

to my own murder by making it easy

40:17

on you.

40:21

So which is it?

40:23

Huh?

40:25

What's it gonna be?

40:26

Paul Hi,

40:32

Paul Solace, you

40:35

are under harress. You

40:38

have the right to.

40:39

Remain the

41:12

ghosten Emir and

41:16

the Hounds of Hell. Dan send

41:18

in your vinzend

41:25

and.

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The Man Walk Caves stars Jonathan Tucker

41:29

as Julian Sallace, Eddie Gatheggy

41:31

as James Fincher, Clark

41:33

Peters as Detective Solomon Smith, Nick

41:35

Cercy as Sheriff Kirby Hooper, Justin

41:38

Welborn as Tyler Wilson, Jill

41:41

Jane Clements as Jill Campbell, Brad

41:43

Carter as Doodlee Tappert, Scott

41:45

Poythrus as Reverend Perkins, Samantha

41:48

Ashley as Dina Fincher, Justin

41:50

Matthew Smith as Paul Sawace, Tara

41:53

Oaks as Laura Sawas, Jonathan

41:55

Horn as Deacon Hadley, Alden

41:58

Karanovich as Thomas Hadley, Mike

42:01

w Anderson as Griff Washington,

42:03

Body Walter Off as Jimmy Fincher, Brian

42:06

McClure as Ian Speaks, Larry

42:08

Clark as Bobby Hadley, Payden

42:10

Fallis as Ed LeBlanc, Vic

42:12

Palisis as William Fowler, Nick Takosky

42:15

as Richard Rydell, and Aileen

42:17

Loy as The Darkness, with

42:20

additional performances by Clint McGowan,

42:22

Dina Dill, Edward Howard,

42:24

Henry Foster Brown, Jamie

42:26

Joseph, Juan Monsalvez, Christopher

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Curry, Bailey Hineman, David

42:32

Mitchell, and Bernard Sataro

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Byrne and Dan Bush. Written by

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Dan Bush, Zoe Cooper and

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Nicholas Dakosky, featuring our theme

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42:45

produced and performed by Lerea Lynn.

42:48

Our executive producers are Matt Frederick,

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Alexander Williams, Michael Monty,

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Dan Bush, music by

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Ben Lovett, Additional music by Alexander

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David Chen. Sound design by

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design by Alexander Rodriguez. Dialogue

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