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You can't fill out an accent report without

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note in the conditions, whether

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the location.

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You collect, witness information studied,

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the scene.

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Safety is relative, and

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there's always a pattern, and

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then if you pay attention, the pattern belies

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a deeper cycle. I

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put on a bicycle, hit, buy a car,

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left for dead. That's senseless

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and terrible. It

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tears down home families, and that goes

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into the universe that wounded howl

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of confusion and existential

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questions.

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And again, the kid had no helmet.

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He was crossed in Memorial and Boulevard,

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the most dangerous intersection in the city.

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And there's a robbery at a corner store,

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gone ry. That leads

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to the junkie who needed that fix. That leads

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to the dealer that could get it to 'em and it

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rolls on down the line. Safety

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is relative. I mean there's always

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a pattern, forces

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trajectories the momentum,

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and unless the pattern is disrupted,

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collisions are inevitable.

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There's a pattern here too.

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A man of walk uh,

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cycle of violence. It's

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not just those sadly boys. And

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unless the pattern is disrupt.

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Stories about the caves go

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way back beyond early

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settler folkmore.

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The ghost in the mill.

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And the hounds of hell dancing

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in your.

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What do you mean, like like ghost

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and witches, some kind of he'll

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believe food or something.

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Seems turn the river

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glean inside tells.

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These tells

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the.

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Hi Leary family such alter

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during a winter blizzard and became trapped inside

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the cave. Only the youngest

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daughter, Nadine o'hery mergem

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the cave.

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That's the end.

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Adventure was most interesting,

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discussing it's one of these great unsold

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mysteries of this area.

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All this

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call will be recorded as monitored. Please

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standside, Julia,

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you ventcher, Yeah,

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it's me.

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I need you to come bessing man. I

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don't have much time lifting.

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Neither you.

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August ninth, five

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fifty five pm.

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Where to begin? There's

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only four days left now four

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days till James Fincher's scheduled to be executed

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by the State of Tennessee unless

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I can still do something about it. I

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drove to see him this morning the Riverbed

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Maximum Security Institution in Nashville

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for the first time since he was convicted fourteen

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years ago. I'm

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led into a windowless box where for

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death row inmates, you are a partitioned from

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your visitor by a sheet of thick plexiglass.

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Their voice only available to you through a hard

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wire plastic phone.

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The divider lends a

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surreal aspect to the whole

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ordeal, like I'm watching a live

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event on TV. My face

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reflected in the glass, so while

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I wait, I stare at myself as

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though I'm seeing myself on the other side.

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In the final days leading up to their execution,

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the death row inmate is taken to a special cell

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away from the other inmates. Their cells

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completely bear a blank canvas

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for a busy mind. They're

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not allowed any tools or silverware that they could

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potentially harm themselves with, and a guard

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is stationed by their side twenty four to seven until

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it's time to go to the death chamber. It's

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a final torture leaving them sitting

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there and their selves rotting away, counting the days

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till they're predetermined death, deprived

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of their inalienable human right to

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die by surprise. What's

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most fucked up about it, although, is just

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how fiercely a death row inmate is

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protected against their own non schedule

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death. God

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forbid it happen in any other way.

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God forbid.

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They grant the condemned a fleeting

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but final moment of

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autonomy.

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Anyway.

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I was about to see him for the first time since before

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he was arrested fourteen years ago.

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But as I looked at my reflection, all

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I could think about was how I

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was about to come face to face with everything

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I hate about myself.

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Hey bene

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non.

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I saw the cuts on him,

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deep lines of scar tissue rising up from

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his chest, some older than others,

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real old. Others looked fresh,

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still raw and faster, and

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tons of them all spilling out

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from underneath his sleeves like he

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had carved words and symbols into his flesh.

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Didn't make any fucking sense. They

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go to great lengths to ensure these miserable

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bastards on death Row can't kill themselves

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no sharp objects, even

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if he manufactured some kind of shit. These

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scars would have taken time years

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maybe if they covered his whole body and

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finished didn't have these scars. The last time I saw

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him in the courtroom before he was taken away,

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So.

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How the hell did he get him?

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He looked good. I

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mean, I mean, you don't actually look much different,

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That's what I mean. My

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first time back a man to walk.

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Everyone looks older, worn

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down, But

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but you don't look like you've eached today. I

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mean, I know, I look like shit. Haven't really

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slept, I don't really sleep anymore.

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I spent last night in my car. I

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was supposed to go to Tyler's.

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But shit, man, I mean, I don't

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know what you've heard.

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You know, if you've spoken to Dina, well

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you know I'm Tyler.

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He's missing.

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I went over there and he was just go.

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His whole place was smashed up.

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But I yeah, I don't, I

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don't know. I don't know what's going on. Look,

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I spent years thinking of what i'd say

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to you, apologies

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and please and explanations for

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what happened and why, But it's

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all bullshit. I

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was a stupid, scared kid, and I

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have hated myself for all

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these years, and so I'm

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here and

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I'm trying to help, but

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I don't know if I'm doing anything right.

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Please say something.

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You do.

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Look like shit. I

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don't want no apologies.

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Your study's gone.

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I had a lot of time in here to work on it, to

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work on controlling my thoughts. Dena

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says you freaked out on her last night.

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Ever since I got back up, it happened issues.

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Did Tina tell you about Tyler?

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Forget about Tyler? What

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forget Tyler? Tyler

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did his part and I'm

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doing mine, but

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you still have work to do.

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I know, man, I'll

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go back to Dana and Joe Campbell.

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I'm sure they need reassurances after after

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I FORGEBT last night, and I want

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to make sure that they have my statement about

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the Coherce testimony. No

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wait, I was thinking, I'm

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confused.

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What exactly do you think

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you're doing back here, Joe.

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I'm doing everything I can, everything

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I can do. I'm really I'm

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grateful for your team's.

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Gonna be able to make a new poop for you.

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But in the meantime, I said

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you were writing a book about

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all this about me?

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Maybe, but that's not why

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I'm here now.

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Listen, I've been reaching the steps that check

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to Smith took when he was involved in the original

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homicide investigation.

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I know.

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What, how

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do you know?

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I just know? Thanks you only.

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Stuff you don't know, or maybe

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you blocked it out, or

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you aren't allowed to know details

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about you and Tie and the had leaves and

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the case, especially

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the case. Yeah,

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I'm practically a goddamn scholar on

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the subject.

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I have so much to ask just

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the history and

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geography.

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I know stuff that you can't find in the history books.

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I know, Man Good Winner

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of eighteen ninety three,

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what the O'Leary

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family took shelter during the winter blizzard

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got snowed in Eleanor

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O'Leary was trapped deep

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in the caves, watching her daughter

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starve to death. Don't ask

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for the Lord's help, of course, Braiden

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prayed, Oh, Heavenly Father, please, I beg you,

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please deliver my poor innocent.

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Child from the cool hand of death. But

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the Lord didn't respond. He

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was a no show. Maybe

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deep in those dark, evil caves, even

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God couldn't hear their small and desperate voices

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calling out, Okay,

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but I believe someone else did hear, and

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I imagine him

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appearing before h Miss Oldliarry was something resembly

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pity in the

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slits of his eyes.

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Good mother, you should you

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should tell you that he

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made Miss Oliery an offer.

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I can help you.

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I can object to.

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I can say, your poor little girl.

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And only if you make the deal.

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And poor Eleanor starved,

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delirious, freezing, and

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on the brink of death.

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I imagine she did.

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What any loving mother and

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a moment of defeat and weakness would do.

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She made the deal.

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He dies.

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Nor nothing

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in the scaff I'll

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protect you. We're

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going to get to know each other for very

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long time.

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I don't understand whether or not you believe that story

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comes Spring of eighteen ninety three, the impossible

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happen. The youngest daughter,

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Nadine, Sure shit, That little girl e murders

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from the cave, the only survivor

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of the O'Leary family. How she

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survived is a mystery to

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this day.

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Finch, I'm

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here to tell you something. Smith

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knew.

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He knew you didn't kill him.

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I think he knew who did.

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Why don't you ask him

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what, Detective

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Solomon Smith.

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He's

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lone gone, Finch.

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No one's seen him.

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Since when are you going back to the house

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the Fowler estayed off of twenty nine,

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that's where Smith was living during the investigation. Right,

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yeah, when

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you're going back there?

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Not cut good?

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How did you know that?

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Wait?

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Wait, wait wait, I have so much to talk

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to you about, Fitch.

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Do you have any idea how hard

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it is to speak to you. I'm

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not talking about just sitting here across from but literally

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speak words

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to your face.

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I have spent years in

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this place, years.

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Teaching myself to focus on the shapes

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of words, quiet in my mind, training

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the muscles in my face to wrap around

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the words properly.

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And I can.

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When I'm calling.

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But when I called you, all of a sudden, I couldn't get

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one word out clean. It was like

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no time had passed it all for James

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fucking go

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there first to foul the place.

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Tonight, Guard,

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We're done.

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So who helped a little girl?

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That's where the discovery of Eleanor O'Leary's

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journal is interesting. Miss

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O'Leary described the entire deal

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in great detail. What Fincher

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was most interested in this is the last few enturies

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of her journal. When she starts

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to discuss the presence inside the case with

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him.

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The truth comes in

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different flavors. Sometimes

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it's revealed in the intersection of facts.

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Aaron with the father, Seamus,

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he died first.

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Sometimes it's hidden the lore.

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As the family went to extremes to avoid

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starvation, Miss

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O'Leary's journal entries become less

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coherent.

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More disturbed.

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These dots are all interconnected. I

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can feel it. Richard

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Roddell being from Anniwalk,

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Detective Smith moving into William

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Fowler's place after Riddell's

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execution, and then coming on board

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the Hadley murder case, only to become

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convinced that James Fincher's innocence, and

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now Deacon Hadley's

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necklace found in Tyler Wilson's ransacked

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house after Tyler's gone missing.

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These devils pranks, They're.

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Important more than clues or

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converging strings on an investigation

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board or breadcrumb's on the trail,

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a thread through the labyrinth.

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But what was Fincher's obsession with the story

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of the O'Leary family. I

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know it's all connected somehow.

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According to miss O'Leary, here

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emerges from the very shadows of the caves

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and offers to help her.

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What doll.

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It would seem that miss O'Leary was lacking

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rational faculties, delirious, freezing,

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hallucinating, No doubt conjured

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this narrative while on the brain coach starvation.

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Would you agree it's a classic narrative.

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A surf in the garden, Fousty

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embargain the devil, a crossroads.

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Some people believe Fincher worships the devil,

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would you agree, doctor Tector? Well,

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even Satanists don't believe in the literal Satan,

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detective, And.

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What do you call people who do believe in a literal

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Satan? Christians?

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After I saw Finch at Riverbedd in Nashville,

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I drove back to the Fowler's place, detect

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dismiss less known home. In

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the wash of the flashlight, it looked decrepit hollowed

19:16

out a skull deer and out

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at the night. Its

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front windows were opaque with dust.

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My flashlight didn't seem to want to penetrate

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the dark inside. The

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door, of course, was locked. What

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there's someone there?

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Come on, I

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have a gun, It

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was, dear, what

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the hell do you want?

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Three doze in a buck?

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A phone?

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They all stood right there at did you the wood staring

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at me, eyes reflecting

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back my beam shoe.

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What the hell?

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They didn't move when I shouted. It

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was like they were waiting for something.

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Okay, where those stand there? Just

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don't call the cops when I and

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I won't send hunters out here. Freezy pickens

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deal.

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Okay,

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okay,

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all right to take the smith.

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Let's see what you knew.

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I'm not gonna lie. I didn't know what I was expecting

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when I got inside, but

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it wasn't what I was looking at.

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First.

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Off, it was cold, I mean outside it's nearly

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summer. In the house, cold like

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twenty degree drop and damp,

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subterranean, without the benefit

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of ever being worn by the sun. The

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house had largely been untouched since

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Solomon skipped out, so the furniture's

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all there, and the bed sheets still must from the last

21:54

night he slept in the dry goods

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in the pantry, a single dirty plate in the sink

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next to a coffee cup, mold

22:01

that had grown over them, long, sin stride and

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dead. It

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was like I stepped back in time. The

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only thing suggesting the Solomon had ever left were

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the open drawers and half empty closet, the hangers

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on the bed and he'd left quickly, and

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then in the back office

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hum around

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the room, moleskin tablets the kinyrad used

22:23

to jot down notes on the case perhaps were

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scattered about. In

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the corner of the office, a small aluminum

22:30

waste paper basket sat beneath the scorch

22:32

section of the wall. Someone

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had made a small fire, and from the looks of it,

22:37

he'd burned pages here and there from the notebooks,

22:40

one of which seemed to have been burned whole. That

22:44

wasn't even the weirdest thing.

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What the fuck is this?

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The weirdest thing was the wall above the waste

22:51

paper basket.

22:52

What are you doing?

22:52

Simon writing scrawled all

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over it, articles from the

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town photo copied and pinned with

22:59

no tape, and scribbled and pencil and sharp

23:01

remarker, no rahm or reason

23:03

of the order?

23:04

What the fuck?

23:05

But all of it painted a grizzly, unflattering

23:08

picture of Manahawaan County. Every

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murder, every assault, every suicide

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and fire and deadly car accident

23:16

ever recorded, all pinned up

23:18

and noted in Solomon Smith's neat

23:20

handwriting. Oh

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shit, it's

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here's tapes. These

23:41

tapes were dated, but there's no labeling beyond that.

23:44

From the looks of it, they went all the way up to two

23:46

days before Solomon Smith skipped town. Luckily,

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I'd come prepared with extra batteries and a sleeping

23:53

bag and a bottleful of courage.

23:58

I found the most recent and popped in on this

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platform.

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What in, Hooper?

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I thought we were having a beer, figured

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we'd go to a bar or something.

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You sure you want to be seen with me, sir? And

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besides, I already moved on to whiskey a

24:24

while ago. From the looks of it,

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you want what or not?

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Yeah?

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I go on. Then something

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on your mind, Hooper? Solomon.

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I asked you on to this case because I

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know you're about a mile more qualified than

24:40

anybody else around here, myself included.

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But this is a small town. People

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are upset. When

24:48

those two boys turned up the way they did. It

24:50

felt like it was their own children

24:53

been cutted in those caves, and

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they want closure, They

25:00

want to put it behind it, and they should want

25:03

the truth and maybe they'll get it.

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Seems to me that James Fincher truly was

25:08

the only one with any real motive to harm

25:10

Deacon and Thomas. I

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think we need to seriously consider leaning

25:16

into the possibility that James Fincher

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killed those boys. A man, James

25:20

Fincher didn't kill nobody. What

25:22

do you have to go on that says he didn't

25:25

experience. Look,

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you have no idea what being

25:31

different is. To stand

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out, to be ostracized, marginalized,

25:36

demonized, to be discriminated

25:38

against in a world full

25:40

of people will think they're smarter than you, who

25:43

think they deserve better than you.

25:45

I hear you.

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That's exactly why there's motive. I'm

25:49

not arguing that the system is perfect,

25:51

It's goddamn far from it. But right

25:54

now we need to look at the impartial fact.

25:56

Oh shit, James

25:58

Fischer didn't want to cause trouble.

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He just wanted to get by.

26:03

Killing those boys would be a death

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sentence for a kid like him in

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this town, and he damn

26:10

well is smart enough to know it. James

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Fincher has been bullied since he moved

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here, and I'm not gonna let him be bullied

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into a jail cell.

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All right.

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Look, I know you're a little bit heated and more

26:21

than a little drunk, but we gotta look at

26:23

this from the rest of the town's point of view

26:25

too. And how's that smart

26:28

enough to know it isn't

26:30

facts. The fact is

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that multiple people have come forward pointing

26:35

a finger directly at James Fincher.

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We have interviews, we have people willing

26:40

to testify.

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And Reverend Perkins has been particularly

26:44

vocal. Excuse me, Reverend Perkins

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has been putting pressure on you, all right,

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Sam, of course he has. Why

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the hell wouldn't he You get the

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backing of the first Baptist Church. You can

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have whatever you want in this town,

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a raise, a re election. Come

26:59

on, two

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boys are dead, you son of a bitch.

27:03

These are good people.

27:05

They just want justice, and

27:08

I would think that you, of all

27:10

people, would be able to relate to that.

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Solomon Sheriff, I know

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what killed my boy. Maybe

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this was a mistake. I

27:20

think we've got more than a little bit of a conflict

27:22

of interest here. You understand what I'm saying.

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Oh, you're taking me off the case. I don't have much

27:27

choice. It's my

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fault, it's not yours. I

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should have put it together before bringing you on.

27:36

You need me on this

27:38

thing, James Fincher

27:40

don't stand a chance.

27:43

I'm not so sure James Fincher deserves

27:46

a chance.

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Detective Smith up and left his life in Atlanta,

27:57

but his own personal demons followed him the Milwaukee.

28:01

His son committed suicide a few years before the

28:03

move. See. By all accounts,

28:05

he was a smart kid, but he had a minor

28:08

physical deformity born

28:10

missing two fingers off his right hand. That's it.

28:13

But he was bullied for it his entire life heart

28:17

and one day something finally pushed

28:19

him over the edge. He was

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eighteen years old when he died. James

28:24

Fincher was eighteen at the time of the investigation.

28:28

Maybe just another devil's prank is

28:31

Jennifer Fowler called them.

28:32

Listen, you can hear them off

28:34

in the woods. I know they're there

28:38

every fucking night this goddamn week,

28:40

right outside my window, tapping

28:42

and laughing.

28:44

Fast forwarded around on that first tape, his

28:47

last one. He'd recorded, come

28:49

on and.

28:50

You piece this shit, Come

28:53

on, show your goddamn faces.

28:55

Finally, come

28:57

on, come

29:04

on, come

29:08

on.

29:09

Oh

29:13

oh you motherfuckers.

29:21

God damn dear.

29:25

The tape from the perceiving that was much different. So

29:27

I skipped back a week or two and

29:31

had another drink.

29:35

After reading letters, James Fincher wrote to doctor

29:38

Tratner. I went down to the Pottsville Library

29:40

and pulled every book Fincher checked out.

29:43

He'd also had the library and printed a few articles

29:45

he'd found on their microfiche,

29:48

and from around Halloween he's run

29:50

in the Pottsville Press. As I don't

29:52

know, I guess you'd call it what passes for a human

29:54

interest story around here. Amongst

29:57

these tales of terror and woe is this

30:00

strange case of Nadine O'Leary of

30:02

the O'Leary family, Scotch settlers

30:04

who had landed in Norfolk and decided

30:06

to try their.

30:07

Luck heading west.

30:13

Davis Wentworth of the newly founded

30:15

Pottsville walked out onto

30:18

her back porch to find a small creature

30:21

hunched over, eating raw eggs

30:23

whole from her chicken coop. At

30:25

first, she believed it to be a mangy

30:27

bear, it was so

30:30

stooped and filthy. It

30:32

turned out to be young Nadine O'Leary,

30:35

dressed in rags, missing fingers

30:37

in parts of her face from frostbite.

30:40

She was nearly feral. For

30:44

decades. Nadine would give only a

30:46

cursory account. However,

30:49

on her deathbed she

30:52

told a different story.

30:57

What the fuck.

31:05

Hello, Hello,

31:18

Well damn, a

31:21

tree has landed on the

31:23

roof of the house, flush up against the

31:26

chimney. Jesus,

31:48

Come on, detective, what

31:51

else you got here?

31:54

Fas cases of Tom Trevor. He's

31:57

thirty four, father of two young children.

31:59

Report it dead June thirtieth,

32:02

nineteen ninety after being

32:04

spotted on a hike with it. Laura

32:06

Solace?

32:07

Also what uh?

32:12

Laura Solace?

32:15

Is that.

32:17

Wife of Paul Solace, mother

32:20

of Julian Solace? Small

32:25

world?

32:26

No, no fucking way.

32:29

What were you doing hiking

32:32

with old Tom, Miss Solace?

32:33

No, he too fell, if

32:35

her testimony was to be believed.

32:38

No, cracked his skull wide open,

32:41

brains spilled out all.

32:42

Over the world.

32:44

No, but why

32:46

were you with him?

32:48

Looks like you will with your husband at the dealership.

32:51

You'll probably travel to the same tiny circles

32:54

in this hellhole, probably tracked

32:56

the same shitty beers and the same shitty

32:58

bars.

32:59

Your kids maybe even played together.

33:01

Oh my god, we're.

33:03

Just passing the time talking

33:05

about your happy marriages,

33:08

your beloved children.

33:10

Did you talk about Julian? But

33:12

were you going up there for something

33:14

else?

33:17

What?

33:21

Hello? Is anyone

33:23

out there?

33:24

Oh my god?

33:27

You get a little squirrel here?

33:29

So did

33:33

he take it too far, move too

33:35

fast for you misunderstand your intent?

33:38

Did you push him? Or did you in

33:40

a moment of fear maybe he's

33:42

bearing down on you.

33:43

Did you pick up a rock and finish that creasy

33:45

motherfucking yourself?

33:50

She wouldn't. Now you're

33:54

probably right. She was just out

33:57

for a stroll in the woods with a friend, nothing

33:59

more. I mean, I

34:02

guess we'll never know, will we,

34:05

Julian?

34:09

Why don't we talk about something else? The

34:11

subject doesn't seem to agree with you.

34:16

I can't think of anything.

34:20

What happened to the olders?

34:22

Ah?

34:23

Yeah, you want a real

34:26

devil's prank. This

34:28

isn't the first house to be built on this property.

34:31

Guess who the first owner of this land was?

34:37

Was it shamous oldier?

34:39

Well?

34:40

Look at you, Nancy Drew, How

34:43

damn son you could have been a detective.

34:47

When he died, it passed down to his only living

34:49

relative, Nadine, who built a cabin

34:51

here and lived until the rife old age

34:53

of ninety before passing it down

34:55

to her grandson, who knocked it down

34:58

and built this place.

34:59

You find yourself sit right now?

35:01

William Fowler Jennifer

35:04

Fowler's granddad and my

35:06

own benefactor.

35:07

Oh small fucking world.

35:10

You ain't kidding.

35:14

The only reus what happened to them in the cave.

35:18

Navin's story didn't that up. There

35:21

was no way she could have sabred by herself,

35:23

and on her.

35:24

Deathbed she fessed up.

35:28

Seamus wasn't much of a hunter, and one

35:30

day I was trying to build a snare, Shamus

35:32

slipped and broke his ankle, compound

35:35

bone sticking out. Took

35:38

him hours to hop her back to the caves. Within

35:40

a couple of days, he'd succumbed to sepsis

35:44

not a pretty way to die, fever

35:47

dreams and visions of hell. Poor

35:49

bastard. They

35:53

were devastated within it. Eleanor

35:55

wailed and gnashed her teeth and pulled

35:58

out her hair. Though

36:02

she was grieving, she was in a dumb

36:05

She saw an opportunity to

36:08

keep her girls alive.

36:10

Oh, they ate their daddy.

36:13

That's right.

36:15

They ate him right up, bit by bit,

36:19

cutting off parts of him with a rock ILLINOI

36:21

shope keeping the body

36:23

cold at the mouth of the cave, hoping

36:26

there would be a break in the weather so they could try

36:28

to make it back to civilization. But that break

36:30

didn't come, and

36:32

as the days passed and the

36:35

meat dwindled, they began

36:37

to lose all hope. Three

36:40

days later, Milicine got sick

36:44

dysentery, Daddy's

36:46

flesh had gone rancid. One

36:49

night late, the

36:51

fire had died down. Nadine

36:54

awoke, feeling that something wasn't right. She

36:57

looked over to where her sister was sleeping and

36:59

saw a form huddled

37:02

over her, shaking

37:04

and grunting as

37:06

her eyes had just as she realized it

37:10

was her mother, smothering

37:13

the life out of her older

37:15

daughter to put her out

37:17

of her misery.

37:18

Jesus Christ.

37:21

And this is where it gets interesting. Eleanor

37:25

died in the caves too starvation.

37:30

Her remains were found along

37:32

with the others.

37:34

So how did Nadine survive?

37:36

As a child, she claimed there was

37:39

someone else in the caves, a

37:41

nameless and faithless

37:43

man who led her

37:45

to safety. Then,

37:48

when she was older, she denied it, and

37:51

the truth about what happened in the caves,

37:54

well, Nadine carried that to her deathbed,

37:57

and she died right here in this room.

38:00

Only then did she whisper the story to her

38:02

grandson, mister

38:04

William Fowler, same man

38:06

who left me this house.

38:10

You didn't leave town, did you?

38:13

What happened there?

38:14

It is again?

38:16

Let's smell what'd smell?

38:17

Apple wood, smoke, lightning

38:20

struck, makes for damn

38:23

fine barbecue.

38:24

What happened to me?

38:27

Take a look around your old all, will you?

38:29

No? No, no, no? What happened? Really?

38:31

I think I live something over there?

38:33

Last? I love this, I appreciate.

38:39

Jesus.

38:44

Hello, Julia Tyler?

38:49

Yeah, what the fuck?

38:51

You probably wanted grand ship and get out of

38:53

there?

38:55

What where are you?

38:58

Seriously? You're five?

39:04

What? What the fuck?

39:08

What the fuck?

39:31

Tyler?

39:32

Tyler?

39:32

Hello, Tyler?

39:37

What the hell?

39:43

I looked back at the house and there she was,

39:48

silhouetted before the bright flames that began

39:51

to engulf the Fowler homestead. A

39:57

little girl in a tatter dress standing in

39:59

the doorway like a whole of blackness,

40:02

a nothing that's negative space, a

40:05

paper girl cut out of this world, her

40:07

eyes barely visible on the flickering light.

40:09

It was Nadine O'Leary

40:14

watching me, and

40:17

soon she was enveloped by the heat waves and

40:19

smoked it and golfed in front porch of the house.

40:27

Breeze.

40:28

What hairs right? Sing, Holy, this

40:31

was an accident. The fuck up? Pick

40:33

her hairs raised? Turn around, truly,

40:35

I'm telling.

40:36

You that, shut the fuck up. Turn around,

40:38

Neil, kick your hairs right.

40:42

What's the point of you talking?

40:44

Yeah, the right to remain silent.

40:48

Anything you say can and we'll be held against

40:50

you.

40:50

In a court of law, you dumb motherfucker.

40:58

Once it's sixth to radio, I got it, ding

41:01

car now way.

41:22

The mana Walk Caves stars Jonathan Tucker

41:24

as Julian Sallace, Eddie Gatheggy

41:26

as James Fincher, Clark

41:29

Peters as Detective Solomon Smith, Nick

41:31

Cercy as Sheriff Kirby Hooper, Justin

41:34

Welborn as Tyler Wilson, Jill

41:36

Jane Clements as Jill Campbell, Brad

41:39

Carter as Dooley Tappert, Scott

41:41

Poythus as Reverend Perkins, Samantha

41:43

Ashley as Dina Fincher, Justin

41:46

Matthews Smith as Paul Sawace, Tara

41:49

Oaks as Laura Sallas, Jonathan

41:51

Horn as Deacon Hadley, Alden

41:53

Karanovich as Thomas Hadley, Mike

41:56

w Anderson as Griff Washington,

41:59

Body Walter as Jimmy Fincher, Brian

42:02

McClure as Ian Spinks, Larry

42:04

Clark as Bobby Hadley, Payden

42:06

Fallis as ed LeBlanc, Vic

42:08

Palisis as William Fowler, Nick Takosky

42:10

as Richard Rydell, and Aileen

42:13

Loy as The Darkness, with

42:15

additional performances by Clint McGowan,

42:18

Dina Dill, Edward Howard,

42:20

Henry Foster Brown, Jamie

42:22

Joseph, Juan Monsalvez, Christopher

42:25

Curry, Bailey Heineman, David

42:27

Mitchell, and Bernard Sataro

42:30

Clark. Created by Connell

42:32

Byrne and Dan Bush. Written by

42:34

Dan Bush, Zoe Cooper and

42:36

Nicholas Dakoski, featuring our theme

42:38

song Killer Inside, written

42:40

produced and performed by Lera A.

42:42

Lynn.

42:43

Our executive producers are Matt Frederick,

42:46

Alexander Williams, Michael Monty,

42:48

and Courtney du Frees. Our

42:50

executive producers at Blumhouse Television

42:52

are Jeremy Gold, Chris Dickey, and

42:55

Noah Feinberg. Produced by

42:57

Dan Bush, music

42:59

by Ben Lovett. Additional music by

43:01

Alexander Rodriguez. This episode

43:03

features the song Wayfaring Stranger, performed

43:06

by Helena Rose, edited by Dan

43:08

Bush, Chris Childs, Stephen Perez,

43:10

and David Chen. Sound design

43:13

by Benjamin Balcom. Additional

43:15

sound design by Alexander Rodriguez. Dialogue

43:17

editing and sound mixing by Juan Campos. Recorded

43:20

at Studio Awesome in Los Angeles, Sound

43:23

Byte Studio in Atlanta, and Echo Mountain

43:26

in Ashville. Casting by Sunday

43:28

Bowling, Kennedy and Meg Mormon. Our dialect

43:30

coach is Linda Bessesti, Assistant

43:32

director, Michael Monty, second

43:34

assistant director, script supervisor

43:36

and production coordinator Sarah Klein.

43:39

Supervising producer Josh Than Special

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thanks to Mary Ellen and Jason Davis, Jonathan

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Dieter, and Joe Rickman. The

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Manowalk Caves is a production of iHeart Radio,

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Pictures Us.

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The Crows

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Seltendi.

44:01

And enter.

44:04

A home way to card.

44:06

I'm going there

44:09

to see my sign who

44:12

shed for me.

44:15

It's precious Bill. I

44:18

am just going way

44:21

over toward him.

44:23

I am just go