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i'm casey russell and this is the media

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show from bbc radio full in

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march this year the bbc gave

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one of it's biggest sites holby city a

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do not resuscitate order off the 23

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years in july channel 5 decided

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we no longer good neighbors and

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the sun went down on ramsey street after

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thirty seven years because your

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mind back to christmas day nineteen eighty

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six anyone remember this

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we

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the , from i had , actual

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husband is our petition

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that was dirty dan handing andy what's

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divorce papers off the seed lied to him about

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having six months left to live thirty

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million people tuned in to watch the episode

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of east and is more than half the population

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today the show averages between four

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and six million per episode much of it through

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i plan so to sites matter

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anymore what's that place in the cultural

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landscape well we going through a messy

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den and angie divorced with them or is

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it still enduring love like skelton

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charlene i'm joined by fulfill

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redmond creator of three of the biggest

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british types of all time grange hill brookside

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and hollyoaks down you'll kill kelly is

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soup status of entertainment news website

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digital spy tv critic and

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soap find am a bullet mowers here and

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charles collingwood who's been farming

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flattering and digging into his wife's venison

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pie for a whopping forty seven

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years as brian and the arches welcome

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to you all and thanks for coming on the show feel

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if we start with you you know all the big sipes

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he standards coronation street emmerdale have seen

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huge drops in audience numbers in

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recent years you've criticized

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the not tackling big social issues like

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they used to to think is the end of the road for

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them

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i think any couldn't climb as it looks it looks quite

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pessimistic air brian i believe

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that they shouldn't be because you

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, to go away right back to the yeah the

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cage drawings and that

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people are those at this insatiable desire for

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storytelling and it's

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either you can go on all of a to history

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to the creek tragedies it's s issue shakespeare's

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who dickens people always one original

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story time the one original drama even

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now i'm on it enough across the steam as

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the film industry role looking for long runners

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and looking for things that will have sequels are looking for

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things that franchises over the

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marvel universe example isis

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once you've got somebody that the audience latches

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onto you want to keep eve i keep doing

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it i think it's more is the cheapest

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form the most effective form to

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keep that connection satisfy that

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ah insatiable appetite the

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original story telling you know danielle

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i mean neighbors a whole be both came to an end

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to see or as i said was a coincidence that they finish

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within months of each other and while the reasons

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behind those decisions

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dark them while they were both ox fall

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complete different reasons and neither

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of them are rarely much to do

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with i'm writing in the case of holby

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city the bbc we ready

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open about the fact that it wanted

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to sell more drama outside

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of london so it took the money about

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it was spending on oh

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b i and it's taking that money

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now to be boots waterloo

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road the continuing drama

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which will be found in manchester

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so i think in that case it shows up

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the bbc isn't turning it back on

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continuing drama it's pretty much the

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placing like a life for an assistant

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location south yeah

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and in the case of navy

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again i was completely different reasons they

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were still doing very well it was one of

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the top rated shows on channel five

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even though

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isn't that a time or adams a time

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wasn't bringing in enough advertising

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the right yes it will advertising

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revenue obviously a time

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advertising revenue isn't

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as big as in the evening so channel

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five of the shelling name is the fourteen

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years of it was better to back

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in has watershed shows

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all the fi channel five has reinvented itself

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pretty well the past four years or

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so with nine pm dramas

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and the documentary something that was part

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that the by a can and i'm in one

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thing we do know is it's sights face

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stiff competition for me neither likes

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of strat to reality shows i love island but all sides

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yeah highly personalized social media feeds

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like tic toc know how can

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the dingell than the ball as compete

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with

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really tricky and an interesting

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thinking about the case of neighbors are so many people

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that haven't watched it for decades

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and we're still devastated it was going you know the

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relationship we have with decency want them to

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be there even if we're not actually engaging

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with the money will the so much nostalgia that faith in

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sweats and senses eat a who

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is he's taking the be with the way i don't think it's

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as simple as everyone floats in law fallen door

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everyone's watching i'm a celeb it's it's not

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that straightforward that it's it's a lot more

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choice how much more choice

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at you know i grew up in a household where

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the tv was always on an affair with

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nothing on day four channels well you

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just pick the the but maybe i will read a book that joke

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and it is the best sales and find

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, best out of those was thing share any

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whereas now this is so many different options

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that he to after even realize what is

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streaming or or on tv at that

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time you go back and watch a book that whatever

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it might base so this some he demands

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on your attention and i think you

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know when have see things while

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there's nothing better when you get already hooked

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into one of those so realize the characters

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that you've known for years decades

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and some places but as soon as

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have to be strong enough the can't rely on that brand

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to get people to watch and will come on to the story

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lines lazy charles lines wonder from the perspective

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of you in the green room at ambridge

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all people feeling nervous about the demise

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of sites are people worried about their jobs

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and me

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in their agents on the phone as i got mine need something else

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yeah i mean his answers are always

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worried about as jobs and i'm

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i've yet to me to secure act and factor

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when i first joined it's in nineteen seventy

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four as as a young man

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i i'm the man on death

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row played said perks who run the pot been

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in a rage as he was wonderful i member

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going up and say you must have lucky must be

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wonderful to be in a program was

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so much security through

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gritted teeth he looked a man said it is

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that very security that makes

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us feel insecure and

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, was absolutely right because you can never

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be tell me my current job yes though

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thank god i'm good i was

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on life support machine in birmingham a

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in birmingham general hospital and be knocked

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over by a bsc written out

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i i was at my character bought

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on a plane on aeroplane i said abuses

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does it crashed because i didn't

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advice as you know mileage for

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me as an actor the same gonna plumbers into the grass

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and etc

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i'm for the world of our sees the he or she

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said no it doesn't

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last you are right god

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i want to down with sell onset

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of the actual process of putting things

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together but daniel just before we d that's what

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kinds of numbers briefly to the big sites

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get these days and how much of a linear

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wag think gap between about three

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and five million viewers the path

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and thing on the time of year depending

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on if is a big story line say

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be cut cut your operating

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tend to be about one million for

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the big so i think i think these

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time this is used by the more

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on i fly or them the on t v shows are

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with the ip the hop

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whoa whoa let's have a look at the creative

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process the turn around time

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for making site is really fast as understand

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it's been commissioning a story to transmission

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is around sixteen weeks for daily show like

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east and as twenty weeks or weekly

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show like casualty sell you spent

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most of your life putting characters through

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at times some pretty horrific ordeal let's

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just terrible

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a whole lot

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and

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it is

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that out with brick side a d finding

8:47

travelers body under the past he has passed

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and margaret lesbian kiss arson

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and dixon's house and the infamous helicopter

8:54

crash when you're traveling in a issues

8:56

pretty sometimes sorry thorny issues like success

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or drugs he must know the is

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going to cause a stir what you want to achieve

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civil when you're coming up with the story

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oh all those things are religious

9:07

the their their the quantity high

9:09

high spots that you actually sort of intact entice

9:12

them as to as me give in to talk about the show

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in erm cigarettes and pop yesterday

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yeah obviously a really

9:18

nice to be accused as was doing them cynical

9:21

ratings grub me exercises and you know

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my pointed immediate as on your points

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is warfield on say why but i know

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i'm not

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that you were saying yes

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via your the , job

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was to get the biggest biggest numbers

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that we could for charm for your own the

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is quite interesting listens as numbers now because of we

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the read some of those numbers back in a day with a beanpole

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in open to that that's that's the way

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time but i was quite interesting list when you it

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throughout those figures about the time for storyline

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scripts i think that's one of the big problems

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that happens you know the people have forgotten how difficult

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they are actually to me and asked

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or lies all those woods who years animation

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in of and have of two year their

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plans then an eighteen month and

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twelve month long term planning and

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then storyline conference every

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every month he oh ahead of those are

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at a red the scripts and i

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think that said this is a lot of time

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this was back really for both the production

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i'm also for the audience and soaps a over

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the years

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you decide on storylines you

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know and you sit down or did you sit

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down with writers and saying it either they drug

10:24

addiction and then decide the game will we get

10:26

to give it to that character is

10:28

as mechanical is that you that ensued that thread

10:30

it through in those two years way of thinking about

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you need people are really enjoy the form

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and really enjoy that creative challenge revisits

10:37

in the same story line with a different perspective with

10:39

different static this because we

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didn't we didn't have didn't have on the on the wall

10:43

it's as now we do drugs or out but it was more

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have a was growing within the

10:48

size you what would people actually concerned

10:50

about you know and the right now you know

10:52

it's a fantastic story story lines

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of com an hour the pandemic coming out of breath cysts

10:57

the worry about the cost the cost to live

10:59

in you know the you're taking a immigrants

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come in and ukraine's is off ancestors

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he fertile ground for what the people are really

11:06

interested in allow them to hang out on a site

11:08

season don't

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i don't seem to see it across the landscape you know

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what you would it

11:14

be and if you do it they'll listen to it because

11:17

remember that's i used to say to our

11:19

teams that you have to remember angry

11:22

lose it's of it earlier the losers

11:24

a second choice activity people flock

11:26

to watch when they got nothing else to do

11:29

as why we used we used to lose wanna

11:31

have two million viewers assumes the clock

11:33

swim for with appeal realized out and

11:35

i shouted they like to go outside and

11:37

put these days in a people waste

11:39

and thirty minutes forty five minutes going

11:41

to miss fema platform trying to find something to

11:43

watch and they give up so this isn't

11:45

it is an audience there with an appetite for

11:48

for drama that is ready to be picked up on

11:50

it also it's i just think it's gonna like find

11:52

in their right to find in the right

11:54

story line and you know

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and and put them on the right platform and i

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say that they would live

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they will were

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the mn times of those storylines

12:03

yeah we talking about some of the issues that could be

12:05

going into sites but suddenly we know that been a

12:07

big story lines in in in charles a show

12:09

about domestic abuse amongst other places you

12:11

know drug addiction whatever it might be willing to

12:13

your mind a soaps the right vehicle for these

12:15

issues how did they do them differently

12:18

to do with characters there is no all the program

12:20

where you can live with a current to for

12:22

twenty years and see them four times a week

12:25

and really feel like there's somebody to teach

12:27

your home if you think about at

12:29

, way that highly daughter the coronation street one of the

12:31

biggest story lines at the last couple of decades

12:34

a reason it was so powerful is because

12:36

we felt like she was a friend would lift with them with

12:38

the to ups and downs and then it just absolutely

12:40

it was a sucker punch so i think that's

12:42

where they can be so powerful recent

12:44

they subsist have this obsession with gangsters up

12:46

noticed that will be saying and

12:48

i just think that's that's totally just

12:51

kind of is filled with leading to the wrong way

12:53

to go he wants to see our

12:55

own lives reflected in a heightened why

12:57

we were not looking for everything to be super realistic

13:00

but you want something that you consults of law john

13:02

say it's interesting thinking about that you

13:04

know the possibility of a new serpent stream is because

13:06

the problem with netflix and oldest stream

13:08

is is that they got no patients you know we're

13:10

seeing them act things off to one series

13:13

just because they didn't quite do as we

13:15

didn't nice they wanted them to not

13:17

so different from the old model of television

13:19

you know something about only fools and horses did

13:22

really bad name the first couple of series and they

13:24

pay by theory three it kind of caught some momentum

13:26

and it did well and there's so many examples of that

13:29

the law isn't them is not more about

13:31

their business model their business model

13:33

is share their business model is trying

13:35

to find new subscribers the guy new subscribers

13:37

you've got to com see say some has do contents

13:40

says alive again about this is thirty

13:42

minute this forty five minutes at what he wastes

13:44

wanna find new things it's like new today

13:47

released today now coming signal us

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but i feel for this ten minutes next

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next ten minutes next so then

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i see i mean i stick my

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neck out and say like quality is not really

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that that's on top of their list it's

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new this and the amounts of cash it's coming

14:01

soon the subscriptions allows them just to sort

14:03

of by that new audience all the times

14:05

key to to hang on starts at

14:07

it but they learned arena their land and

14:10

now that there's been and twelve million fifteen

14:12

million twenty million on dramas on it's

14:14

not lost him in a and then someone

14:16

says soundsystem love your fifteen

14:18

twenty million it was good to be so me that would keep

14:21

one million people to lambast every single

14:23

day in right field that's a me that

14:25

on the journey in a little signal while to

14:27

get this i'm going to bring

14:28

charles into them into the arches is always quality

14:31

and one of brian's big story lines as

14:33

the affair he had this of all which resulted

14:35

in the sun rory what is it like

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as an actor to be at the center of something

14:40

that everybody is talking about

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well that was almost a career

14:44

changing for me because suddenly

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it , so popular that tax

14:49

people were ringing out saying at if

14:51

you look at frost on sunday this morning

14:54

who's been reviewing the papers not be joking

14:56

about the news has been looking at pictures of you

14:58

and your energy summit job and your mistress

15:00

and as one him but he saw him him

15:03

are these stories it fills address these

15:05

stories come along and a soap opera at

15:07

every now and again mostly it's run

15:09

of the mill you know scored an everyday

15:12

story of country folk and mostly

15:14

it's like that and say went but when you bring

15:16

in a story like i had

15:19

a gives the whole thing and

15:21

if people are surprised with

15:23

with the stories dramas that and it's

15:25

up to me as an actor said me make

15:27

it to as exciting make believable

15:30

as as exciting and the

15:32

people seem to be quite happy with it

15:34

though you touch the the earlier and you sang getting

15:36

you know a bit of obese from the media

15:38

saghir the story lines are getting ridiculous but

15:41

did you did you ever saying they

15:43

were themselves brookside brainwashing cults hostage

15:45

situations hit men did you ever think we have

15:47

gone a bit too far with this one

15:49

yeah yeah with

15:51

our son that's , i start to think

15:53

that it was time to sort of you've already know and

15:56

i've always it ended up production

15:58

food i've also hours the van a real

16:01

the production crew on a so because one of the

16:03

issues that happened in this sort of

16:06

nineties really starts on it

16:08

the broadcasters themselves

16:10

kept asking for more more more

16:13

more sensation in what they wanted more

16:15

and with a wants more more episodes they want

16:17

a big it and biggest oil as and that inevitably

16:19

left to try atop the last one

16:21

sonnets hop the last one one of our

16:23

watchwords was okay that's the they story now

16:26

it's back to put know shelves in on because

16:28

you have to sort of take those beats your sake

16:30

those posts with the audience if he keeps throwing

16:32

it it you burn

16:34

off storyline so fast that in the end

16:36

it just becomes is is because

16:38

wallpaper and the end

16:40

the more did you know about your audience how

16:42

much did you know who your audience

16:44

is wow and you attain

16:45

during it for them i'd say we knew we

16:47

knew quite a law is normally probably a

16:49

better datasets in the long

16:52

, it's other days the streaming is the

16:54

thing that feeds back now because as we

16:56

do people were telling the truth doesn't doesn't

16:58

have an incessant thing which is a big challenge these

17:00

days but we do

17:02

exactly you know it's fans will who

17:05

will watch him when they were watching what they were doing and

17:07

actually that's one of the incessant things because it's

17:10

all about before about it the competition

17:12

for television a competition for soaps when

17:15

brookside started there were three places

17:17

to eat he knows a chippy chinese

17:19

or posh restaurant when brew he

17:22

finished he know eleven

17:24

percent of people were out eating at any

17:26

one time and twenty four hours you know so

17:28

that was eleven percent of the audience i was no

17:30

longer available to view

17:31

i think about being in sight let's talk

17:33

about being in them charles you join the

17:35

arches in nineteen seventy five almost fifty

17:38

years ago so i guess you've got the best

17:40

inside of what it's like to be in a site i mean how

17:42

much said you get over your character i mean

17:44

and what happens if you don't think history

17:46

right for brian well i'm frame you bite

17:48

the bullet the say the words

17:50

of actors are given the script say

17:52

and in television they love them and asleep

17:55

turn the pages over silently reading

17:57

them and sometimes if we don't like the story

18:00

we say it well ,

18:02

say it anyway because are getting paid a

18:05

some the i've also with

18:07

with the answers for me joining all those

18:09

years ago ah that

18:12

the writers didn't know who brian was

18:15

i invited him to go i was a vehicles

18:17

are married jennifer and there was no

18:19

no c v was a cardboard cutout

18:22

going up this woman and i said to the producer

18:25

it look you've got a big gonna make brian

18:27

some history neighbor guess the

18:29

linux on i was in the episode i was having a drink

18:31

with sony archer and he said weren't

18:33

weren't when you come from romney

18:36

, all i i am i was on in

18:38

in paris study and then my parents

18:40

were killed in the car crash and so

18:43

i inherited lot of money and i've been farmer

18:45

and i was younger and so i bought

18:47

homes on that can i buy you another point though

18:50

guy terry to right there in for easy

18:52

lines a systemic that amount of and

18:54

the levant years it develops

18:56

and and i personally i

18:59

think i would say this to young actors who

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joined the arches my one of it applies

19:03

to television film and of of

19:05

when i started playing brian i tried to

19:07

bring something more to the correct

19:10

that the writers had initially thought

19:12

themselves to give them a whole that's

19:15

exciting how i did actually

19:17

put a mess of a slightly ha ha

19:20

ha side , my character

19:22

which i'm of cause made in a womanizer

19:24

into a choice heaven

19:27

sweet absence ever been that the j out

19:29

of ambridge it's ambridge good

19:30

a doesn't even to be plenty of say

19:32

back to what what's life like

19:35

that being in the site and indeed bank

19:37

from a say

19:38

i think it can be difficult when someone

19:41

has been there for a long time and

19:43

they all ran out to saw the big story

19:45

line and augustine now

19:48

cause what we've mentioned earlier in the show

19:50

draw a lot more appointment to

19:52

view type story lines involving stunts

19:54

on

19:55

a couple of scenes

19:57

i would say if you're going to leave

19:59

i think much better to go out

20:02

and a big explosion or up across

20:04

than just kind of

20:05

leave and a half and everyone's the guess so

20:08

doctor with the think if you've got a big exit

20:10

like thought you got me leave a legacy

20:12

in the show

20:12

i'm pro you're smiling that i mean how much

20:14

notice to act as get when

20:16

you know they get a face some so gruesome ending

20:19

wendy that characters are no the actors themselves to

20:21

they get time to look for new job

20:22

it is really really depends on your schedule

20:24

you know i'm a waste of give

20:26

are actors twelve mom contracts and and let

20:29

them know it's or three months ahead of the ended

20:31

at home on contract whether that would they

20:33

would come to put a little bit area because distorted

20:35

the long term storyline planning conference

20:38

with have had the rights on the wall anyway sometimes

20:40

things happen and you just have to take

20:43

somebody out by a very quickly you know on of the

20:45

not been in situations like that when they

20:47

, bison a bullet sometimes i've got to put

20:49

the bullets out seen assume i'm

20:52

suzanne you have to really does this land

20:54

the time forty

20:56

episodes of the be written you know since

20:58

when they have to be be shots that kind of thing

21:00

but his are generally you he you often

21:02

get the my goods a a good thing unless

21:04

they transgress you are that i

21:07

that i guess they they suddenly

21:09

disappeared asked me what i'm to souls or wanted

21:11

anything to go to the exact

21:14

while we had is when they're that he

21:16

thomas if they bobby rand's we had a phone

21:18

and out about the way the storyline was going ah

21:20

he does so that's it i'm off walked off the set

21:23

and then so is that thing how the week how

21:25

do we manage that you know so are

21:28

you going to do have equal rights agenda

21:30

that the next in the next rewrote the next fitness

21:32

club said it

21:35

was only when she was there was

21:37

probably sheila you won't believe this is

21:39

gone to get dansk the support solidarity

21:42

a threat

21:43

in i love as it is my lousy with such

21:45

as you know the matter what what we have had sex

21:47

why was i gonna take issue with daniel

21:50

actually cause i'm watch

21:52

our annual was , good

21:54

daniels said you know better to be blown

21:56

up or or and they often either

21:59

rather than getting got it from

22:01

an access point of view there's no that

22:03

there's no special way of being written out of anything

22:06

it , means that if they they stop being

22:08

paid so is is that what

22:11

are the agree with you can be blown up or or

22:13

or just some kinds of the problem never

22:15

seen again i'm the checks

22:17

will not be that the following month if you're not

22:19

recording and fat a member when when

22:22

nash of on my mistress and the arches

22:24

tragically died the

22:27

week i mean she resigned of she

22:29

of of was terrible and on the

22:31

actress call on lennon of bread

22:34

the week before mean barely early

22:36

said a word she was just breathing

22:39

and they had have that and

22:41

then she died and i had a

22:43

c when hello

22:46

that body and i member

22:48

game the studio as much as i

22:50

wrote in my book and there instead of

22:52

caroline was a cushion because

22:54

you don't have to pay a fee to a cushion

22:57

oh my goodness that's what we do

22:58

okay well you and you do it well definitely

23:01

let let's is have a quick laugh thought about

23:03

the future of sight see that the bbc

23:06

has reportedly spent a seven million powder and east

23:08

and the sat in a god nice executive producer

23:10

chris pencils on board to they clearly are

23:12

signaling that you send as as see

23:15

that on the op are emma decent

23:17

things listen price of for the residents of both i'm

23:20

it's typical see that optimistic of the comes as

23:22

with that have been for i still think that that

23:24

you know like to say when they have really good story

23:26

months and they really trust in their characters is

23:29

the thing as said they'd sit just got

23:31

some had the courage that conviction there

23:33

for instance a funny guy

23:35

starts when he came in he and and kelly

23:37

by places like they were supposed

23:39

to be be married couple the that nothing

23:41

was going to break them and they'll fantastic

23:44

and profuse a few years

23:46

i suppose that was the case and now they split them

23:48

up because they have to have an infidelity storyline

23:50

and alcoholism store and i know this kind of stuff and

23:53

you lose sight in those kind says

23:55

and when different sovereign has come in and out

23:58

the characters seem see

23:59

more fun

23:59

the people that you don't recognize such i

24:02

think it's about having people that

24:04

are willing to be consistent the care about the characters

24:06

that think about the audience and audience still think

24:09

definitely fantastic there but there

24:11

is a lot of competition you know gonna

24:13

have to accept that we're not gonna say the

24:15

view because it done and done and got again

24:17

but that doesn't mean they can't have success he and

24:19

with autumn coming which i think is a big

24:22

kind sipes as they start in a sewing

24:24

the the today's christmas story

24:26

line daniel what can we look forward

24:28

to this hear what you know about any

24:30

bookstore coming up for what we should be watch

24:32

him

24:34

well the big one is emma dell ten

24:36

fifty in october

24:38

and they have announced that they will have

24:40

a big storm storyline

24:42

so a sadly storm

24:44

will hit the village on various

24:47

characters will be

24:48

the payroll i say some actors are going to be worrying

24:50

about laugh or ago i

24:53

think so think think it's like like me that someone

24:55

might be saying goodbye saying that story line

24:58

i play and visit them something really

25:00

interesting soon which is that during

25:02

a flashback episode which will take

25:05

the was back to nineteen seventy

25:07

nine and it will be

25:09

a bit of a glimpse of the mitchell family

25:12

and their earlier years and

25:14

they have cost jamie winstone to play

25:16

peggy mitchell with the thing is a thrilling

25:18

casting because he also

25:20

played barbara windsor and of

25:22

the pops program that was on a few days ago

25:25

so as an as an very good example

25:27

of folks trying to do something different trying

25:29

to happen apartments abuse story that will hopefully

25:32

drinking from lox we were

25:33

how can in our final minutes

25:36

seconds even i'm i'm going

25:38

off a question fuel felt fail alluded

25:40

, earlier perhaps that i'd start with you feel it

25:42

if he were pitching a brand new said today perhaps

25:44

you even all what would it be with us

25:48

i i i just figured need to be

25:50

something that reflects

25:53

britain right now this did the timings as

25:55

a perfect system a new so because

25:57

pushy survive because the as it

25:59

was time the real real for the form

26:01

same a grandiose same with hollyoaks i think

26:03

now it's science of legal battle of what's

26:05

going on thoughts at

26:07

a guy as i think finally what i'd say

26:09

that is the everyone should look back to the

26:11

arches the artist came boss is a collaboration

26:14

between the bbc im

26:16

im council and the department of

26:18

agriculture bill and that was bringing

26:21

together something that with axes teach

26:23

people that more about how food

26:25

and land was work with everything that's

26:27

the way forward on c the b b c b pines

26:29

work at all the at a public services like the

26:31

nhs and agriculture

26:33

and education and that's all you'll

26:35

from the to

26:37

charles an idea for a site

26:39

or is it just more out his office and

26:41

what age i'm quite happy got an

26:44

insane allies and getting a jacket we ended

26:46

a fitness without up

26:47

the i love about all this day at that

26:49

enjoy me daniel ama if you

26:51

were if he were recreating a site now

26:54

was given i def one mile if you want the characters

26:56

now under storylines i boucher said and westminster

26:58

i don't know but as and as if i

27:00

were to be he make you mad at the one

27:02

thing i probably would do is i make it so two episodes

27:05

the things you know the aren't as a child trailblazing

27:07

in that way we're seeing as so trend

27:09

now towards since many programs fifteen

27:11

minute programs i think that the been insisting my skype

27:14

daniel

27:14

think i would like to see something that film mention

27:17

the few years ago which is a streamer

27:19

trying to launch a new so

27:21

and i'm be could have a global south of people

27:23

can watch all over the world have

27:26

a feeling they thought were to happen they might have

27:28

to be more generic

27:30

floated the have the board as possible audience

27:33

for i can think of be very very good if the streamers

27:36

the bullet

27:37

well that is a brilliant point to end on thank

27:39

you so much we have managed to make it three half

27:41

an hour without any arguments divorces

27:43

or explosions science you

27:45

all might guess the cell redmond

27:47

soap creates extraordinary amongst many

27:50

other things digital spies daniel kill

27:52

kelly tv critic ama been him or and

27:54

child collingwood better known as brian

27:56

in the arts as i will be back at the same time

27:59

next week until

27:59

in the channel peggy mitchell get

28:02

out of my pop