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Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live

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on SiriusXM channel 111 every weekday

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at New East. Hey

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everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to

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the Megan Kelly Show. We are

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officially halfway through 2024 and the

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big question is whether

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President Joe Biden will be the Democratic

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nominee by the end of this week.

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We know the media revolt against him

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is well underway. Paper

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after paper, suddenly reporting

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on the story that has been obvious to

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just about anyone with eyes and ears for

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months and let's be honest, years now.

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Joe Biden is struggling and his age

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has caught up with him. It's not a

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pleasant story to report on. No one's enjoying watching

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this, but we've

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been forced to by Jill Biden

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and the cabal around him and by the

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candidate himself. We on

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this show reported on Joe Biden's obviously

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faltering mental

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cognition. More than two years

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ago, that was episode 339. We

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talked about it on the show before we did

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it, saying, look, it feels kind of

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mean. It feels a little rude,

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but it's a story and not

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a lot of people were doing it back then. But

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that was at a time when the

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Democrats could still have realistically held a

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competitive primary. Others

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should have been honest about what we were

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all seeing. People with influence

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among the far left in particular,

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but they wouldn't. They were running

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cover for the guy they

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thought could beat the modern day Hitler, Donald

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Trump. So many

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in the larger media and members of

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the president's staff and family have

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been lying to you for

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a very long time and asking you

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not to believe your lying eyes. Now,

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however, in the wake of Mr.

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Biden's disastrous debate performance, the media

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elite have finally woken up. And

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they are in full on panic mode

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as they attempt to push out this

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president. Here's just a small sampling from

2:07

over the past two days from

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the New York Times, the headline to

2:12

serve his country. President Biden

2:14

should leave the race. The

2:16

editorial board writing in part as it

2:18

stands, the president is engaged in a

2:20

reckless gamble. The Atlanta

2:22

Journal Constitution writing, it's time for

2:24

Biden to pass the torch. Let's

2:26

not forget Georgia has become a

2:28

critical swing state from the

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New Yorker for the president to

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insist on remaining the Democratic candidate would be an

2:35

act not only of self delusion, but

2:37

of national endangerment. Editor

2:40

David Remnick evoking Mark Twain's

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quote, it is sad to go

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to pieces like this, but we all have to

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do it. Speaking of aging, writing,

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quote, on Thursday night, it was Joe Biden's

2:50

turn. But unlike the rest of us,

2:53

he went to pieces on CNN in front

2:55

of tens of millions of his compatriots. Both

2:58

the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal

3:00

editorial boards did not go that far, but

3:03

said bowing out should be seriously considered by

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the president. Something Van

3:08

Jones echoed on CNN moments after the

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debate. Maureen Dowd and

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Tom Friedman at the New York

3:14

Times. We know that Mr. Biden

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himself reads Maureen Dowd religiously. We

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believe her column was the reason

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he finally acknowledged his seventh grandchild,

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Navy Biden. Both

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Dowd and Tom Friedman at the Times

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calling for Mr. Biden to step aside.

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Dowd in acerbic terms, which I will

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quote in more full

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terms in a moment. Their

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colleague Ezra Klein, who's been calling

3:39

for an open convention since February,

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took a victory lap

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on his podcast and

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spared no one around the president. Mr.

3:48

Biden's favorite TV show host Joe

3:50

Scarborough said it was time for

3:52

the president to consider leaving this

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race to help his party defeat

3:57

Donald Trump. And this

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didn't just come. from America.

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Britain's largest culture or current affairs

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magazine, The Economist, called

4:06

on President Biden to step aside. And

4:09

yet there's always the one. The

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Philadelphia Inquirer's editorial board taking

4:13

a different tact, instead

4:16

calling on Trump

4:18

to leave the race, saying, quote,

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Biden had a horrible night Thursday, but the

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debate about the debate is misplaced. The only

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person who should withdraw from the race is

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Trump. It's not

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just the media. Though the media

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matters, especially in Democrat circles. Democrat

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donors too are unhappy. And

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a call between the Biden campaign and a large group

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of them is scheduled for

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this evening, Money Talks. We're

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also hearing reports of some delegates

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already pledged to Joe Biden in

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a major freak out,

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saying, how on earth am I going

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to vote for this guy? Chris Eliza had a piece on

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this. How am I going to actually go

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in there and do what I've been pledged to do when

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I understand this guy cannot be

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the president for four more years? My

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guest for the full show today is someone I've been

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wanting to talk to since the debate, and that's Charlie Kirk.

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He's founder and CEO of Turning Point

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USA. You can get involved and should

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at tpusa.com. And

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he is host of the

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Charlie Kirk Show podcast. Charlie,

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great to have you. He's also out with a new

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book that's available to buy right now. It's called Right

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Wing Revolution, How to Beat the Woke and

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Save the West, all of which got

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a big assist thanks to the president's

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performance on Thursday night. Charlie, welcome back.

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So the media, almost universally

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left-wing media, but I repeat

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myself, has turned on him.

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But the top Democrat politicians,

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Obama, Hillary, Hakeem Jeffries in

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the House, James

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Clyburn, publicly have

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not, so there are reports

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now that behind closed doors.

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Pelosi, Jeffries, and Clyburn have

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all expressed serious doubts about his

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ability to continue. So where does that

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leave us today on Monday? Well,

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first, I want to tell you the story of how

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I kind of saw the debate. And I think it's

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really important because those of us that are in free

6:16

thinking media, we weren't that necessarily

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surprised by what we saw. So

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I watched the debate kind of alone quarantined

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without anybody around. I want to get my

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own opinions and my own

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perspectives shaped. So I'm watching the debate and

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Biden glitches and he kind of overloads and

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he talks about beating Medicare and all that.

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I said, oh, you know, that's just another

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day at the White House. You know,

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for me, the way that I was expecting

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a glitch that would be really bad would be

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like Joe Biden capsizing or, you know,

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him, you know, completely stumbling over his

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words for 10 or 15 seconds straight.

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So I said, okay, that's bad. But you know, obviously

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the American people are used to that. What was shocking,

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Megan, is that no, they aren't used

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to that is because the mainstream

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media for the last couple of years

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have been involved in an active cover

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up operation of Joe Biden's

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failing mental state. And there was no ability

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to cover it up right there. It

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was 50 million people plus the tens of millions

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of others that saw clips of it and the

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tens of millions of others that saw the debate

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coverage. And the media realized we can no longer

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do what we've been doing. We

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can no longer cover up for this. We can no

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longer lie. We can no longer smear. And

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you saw in real time that there

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was a green light lit as soon

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as that CNN debate ended. John

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King, he was the one that crossed the Rubicon.

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He was the one that launched that original salvo.

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John King says, I'm talking to lots of

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senior Democrats and they believe that

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it's time to remove them. And then

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all of a sudden, Chris Wallace piled on and it

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was as if as soon as that began, and John

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David Axelrod. Yes. It

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was fashionable all of a sudden to go after Joe Biden.

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And again, on a scale of

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like one to 10 of

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Joe Biden's typical press. conference. It

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was bad, but it wasn't as bad as

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what we saw when he's reading the teleprompter

8:05

that says, stop talking, or

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where he's just kind of meandering and he

8:09

can't find the stairs. But it just goes

8:12

to show how millions of people

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in this country have still not been

8:16

exposed to what you and I see

8:18

on a daily basis. And it's remarkable

8:20

how much power the propaganda still have.

8:23

Donald Trump, you know, baited Joe Biden

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into this. And Joe Biden thought that

8:27

he was going to be able to

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tighten the race and show that it's

8:31

a choice between the stable Joe Biden

8:33

and the out of control Donald Trump.

8:35

The exact opposite has happened. And the

8:37

Democrats are stuck. On the surface, we're

8:39

seeing people like Barack Obama and Bill

8:41

Clinton and major donors like Reid Hoffman still

8:44

have support for Joe Biden. But do you

8:46

know what I find so interesting, Megan, is

8:48

that for the first time since Joe Biden

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has become president, we are actually getting leaks

8:53

out of the White House. For the

8:55

first time that Joe Biden has become president,

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we're getting reporting. I'm

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looking at political.com and they say private

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conversations detail that they want to fire

9:03

aides and they want to say,

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wait a second, where has this

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been during the border crisis or

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inflation or Ukraine? When Donald Trump

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was president, I knew how the

9:14

deputy intern for communications liked her

9:16

coffee when Donald Trump was president.

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Here's the question, Charlie. Have we always been getting

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leaks, but only now they're reporting it because the

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media is finally in a panic? That's exactly

9:25

right. Yes. And so they've

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just now decided to do reporting. And

9:30

the specificity that New York Times, Bloomberg

9:32

and Politico had about a walled off

9:34

Camp David meeting. And it's

9:36

amazing that the Biden family, it's very mafioso over

9:39

there. They say, you know, we're going to fire

9:41

some of our top aides because

9:43

the debate was not good. So wait a second.

9:45

So you're going to fire some top aides over

9:47

a bad debate performance, but not over the fact

9:49

that we have seven million people that have come

9:51

to this country illegally. You're running, you know, meat

9:53

grinder in Eastern Ukraine, or we have hyperinflation. No,

9:55

but what's going to get the aides on the

9:57

chopping block is the fact that Joe Biden. You

10:00

know, they didn't get his chemistry right that

10:02

night. But I think you're exactly right that

10:04

the media has been receiving leaks for some

10:06

time. But now they're in an active measure

10:08

of doing reporting and amazing.

10:11

They want to get really telling now they realize

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we can no longer hide it. The public seen

10:15

it and therefore he needs to be turfed. We

10:17

got to get rid of this guy ASAP, even

10:19

though we were complicit. By the way, here's my

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favorite. You obviously have been reporting

10:23

about Joe Biden's snafus

10:26

glitches, whatever you want to call them. So

10:28

have we. This is my favorite of the

10:30

entire election season. By favorite, I

10:32

mean the one that was most telling, like, look at this

10:34

guy. Here it is. Imagine

10:36

what we can do next. Four

10:39

more years. Pause.

10:41

Four more years! Charlie.

10:46

He said to pause. Four more years.

10:48

Oh, yeah. Pause. I mean, there's

10:50

a million of them. Oh,

10:53

there's hundreds that I could just think of

10:55

where he just goes, the show is so

10:57

much better. And but no

10:59

one covers it. So it doesn't get into

11:01

the main zeitgeist and it doesn't get into

11:03

the main narrative. What was the debate was

11:05

different, though, to CNN's credit, they opened

11:07

up the debate to every network, which I didn't think

11:09

they were going to do. And

11:12

CNN, in some ways, was

11:14

far more fair and like

11:16

unusually neutral. And I'm still not

11:18

sure how to deal with that. It's

11:20

kind of bothered me the last couple of days. And

11:23

the other part was this. As soon as I watched

11:25

the debate, as it was over, I texted we did

11:27

a live stream and I texted our friends, my buddies,

11:29

I said CNN lost Joe Biden

11:32

in the debate because they went split

11:34

screen. They didn't go full screen when

11:36

the presenter was when they went

11:38

split screen. When Donald Trump was talking,

11:40

I mean, again, I love Trump. And so

11:42

they asked him about childcare. He started talking about the border. They asked

11:45

him about the environment. He talks about the border. So Donald Trump's talking

11:47

about the border half the debate, which is good for him. And

11:49

you're not even listening to Trump. You're watching Joe

11:51

Biden, right? With his mouth

11:54

open, stare into the abyss and

11:56

you're distracted because Joe Biden became

11:58

the center of gravity. And

12:00

Donald Trump really didn't get as much attention. And

12:02

CNN did that with the split screen. Secondly, and

12:04

I'll just say this. And by the way, Charlie,

12:06

everybody noticed that because my audience knows

12:08

that I listen to a lot of my news. I

12:12

listen to it as opposed to read it. I'd like to have it

12:14

read to me. And I use this app called Voice Dream, which is

12:16

amazing. It reads your news articles to you. Anyway,

12:19

everybody noticed it. Everyone noticed how Joe

12:21

Biden was looking to all the left

12:23

wing press. And the funny thing that

12:25

I experienced over the weekend was the word

12:27

agape, which is how

12:29

his mouth was, the whole debate is read

12:32

by my little Voice Dream lady as agape.

12:35

And she said it so many times, agape. I

12:37

was like, what is this? Some native tribe that

12:39

loves pineapples? What is agape? It

12:41

was obvious. I heard it so many times. The

12:43

mainstream media was pointing out. That's

12:45

just something remarkable. How old and

12:48

infirm are you if the jaw

12:50

is now hanging open while you're

12:52

just in listening mode? Well,

12:55

so a couple of things on that. And yeah,

12:57

that's hilariously, that's the Greek word for sacrificial love,

12:59

but has no application of that. But the ear

13:02

is fairer than the eye. And

13:05

by the way, that's why I love podcasting. I've

13:08

believed this for a very long time,

13:10

that the listening of the orally transmitted

13:12

word is a lot fairer to get

13:14

to truth. And the eye deceives us.

13:16

And I think that as America's become,

13:19

and this is a totally separate issue,

13:21

but more towards podcasting and alternative media,

13:23

we've gotten closer to the truth than

13:25

just video consumption or cable

13:27

television broadcast, which obviously you and I

13:29

did for quite some time. So when

13:31

you listen to the debate, you're

13:35

more likely to listen to what

13:37

arguments are they making? What are they

13:39

saying? And interestingly, it's very similar,

13:41

by the way, to the Nixon JFK debate

13:44

in the 1960s. When

13:46

people listened to this debate, they did

13:48

not have as dramatic of opinions as

13:50

people who actually saw what

13:53

Joe Biden looked like and saw that he

13:55

was completely incapable. Oh yeah, no, they saw

13:57

the entire thing. And I'll say one of

13:59

those things. thing on this, which I think

14:01

is really important, is that picture. And

14:04

that was one of his better pictures of the night, by the

14:06

way. And so

14:10

there's a disagreement amongst the

14:12

media of exactly how to handle

14:14

this. And each institution you

14:17

could tell has kind of their own way of approaching

14:19

this. The

14:22

New York Times just went completely

14:24

all out. The next morning, Thomas

14:26

Freedom, New York, I

14:28

mean, it was just one after the other

14:31

after the other. Chicago Tribune, we've got to

14:33

get rid of Joe Biden, the Atlantic. And

14:35

then there was the Washington Post is not

14:37

quite there yet. They said, you know, Joe

14:39

Biden has to spend some personal time with

14:42

his family. And now all eyes on who

14:44

is really running the country, very similar, by

14:46

the way, to when Woodrow Wilson, a very

14:48

bad president, was declining towards the end of

14:50

his presidency. And Edith Wilson basically took control

14:53

of the American presidency, which was his wife,

14:55

is Jill Biden. Jill Biden is effectively right

14:57

in the country right now. No one voted

14:59

for Jill Biden. No one really knows who

15:01

she is. And she's not even a real

15:04

doctor. No, she's not a

15:06

real doctor. Even today, she's on the cover of

15:08

Vogue. Now she got the Vogue treatment, something they

15:10

never did for Melania Trump, a literal supermodel. But

15:13

Jill Biden is on the front of it now.

15:15

And you can see it says, we

15:17

will decide our future though she was talking about women's rights

15:19

in any event, as she

15:21

parades herself out there as I guess

15:24

some sort of a fashion model. Okay.

15:27

We are reminded of just last month. It

15:29

was June 6th, today's July 1st, a couple

15:32

of weeks ago, when she tweeted out a

15:34

picture of herself sitting there with Joe Biden's

15:36

jacket over her chair, preparing for the G7.

15:38

She's, why is she going to the, though

15:41

there's 2021. Okay. So it's 2021, even worse. How

15:44

long has she been in charge? And

15:46

the problem is that all of

15:48

the Democrats' hopes come down to what this

15:50

woman wants. All of them come down

15:52

to what, can you imagine if they did this with

15:54

Melania Trump, preparing for the G7, sitting in

15:57

the president's chair, getting ready for the G7. And she, and

15:59

so And so they had a meeting

16:02

at Camp David yesterday on Sunday with

16:04

intimate family and advisors. The

16:06

NBC News had reported out that they were going to

16:08

do this. It was a pre-scheduled meeting, but that the

16:10

focus had been updated to include President

16:13

Biden's future. Then the White House

16:15

tried to deny it. Then the White House got mad at

16:17

NBC for not reporting that this has

16:19

been pre-planned. Then NBC sniped back, it's in

16:21

paragraph two, suck it. That was

16:23

my addition. And they had this

16:25

meeting and who, who decided

16:27

what he's going to do? Suddenly,

16:30

Jill Biden and Hunter Biden. The

16:33

biggest grifter in the administration. And

16:35

honestly, Jill Biden turns out to be a bit of a grifter

16:38

too. She's power hungry. She's like a

16:40

Hillary Clinton. She's not a Laura

16:42

Bush. She's not a Melania Trump. She's

16:44

not somebody who's just there to support her husband. She seems

16:46

to me like somebody who was out for her own power

16:49

and can't let go. And

16:53

it's staring at us in the face. What

16:55

if they pull Joe Biden with Jill Biden? And I'm not kidding.

16:59

First female president, Joe can still be around.

17:01

His health is not the same way. But

17:04

I mean, it's right. It's staring at us right in

17:06

the face. It's not Michelle Obama or Gretchen Whitmer. It's

17:09

Biden. Think about it though.

17:12

I mean, she's on the front cover of Vogue. They

17:15

don't have to change the ballots. It's still voting for Biden.

17:17

Joe can still be around as a senior advisor. He's not

17:19

who he used to be. First female

17:22

president in a year makes Roe more front and

17:24

center. Why would

17:26

they go outside of the family territory?

17:28

Remember primary colors? And

17:31

the guy who played J.R. Ewing, what was his

17:33

name? Larry, you remember Hagman. He

17:36

was playing the role of the more reasonable candidate.

17:38

And he was running. And then he had

17:40

to withdraw anyway. And

17:42

then he died. But then it keeps. Yes.

17:45

And it keeps Joe Biden around for all

17:47

of his relationships. But then, you know, Joe

17:49

Biden can't be accused of all the same

17:51

things, you know, mental decline. She can even

17:53

say, hey, I was kind of running this

17:55

place, you know, and I kind of know

17:57

what I'm doing. She can cut this. This

18:00

is the first person I've heard say

18:02

it's possibly Jill and it's not insane.

18:07

I think it's the most probable. She's not

18:09

in the betting markets. No one's thinking it.

18:11

She's now more front and center front page

18:13

of vogue and it's the

18:15

same last name. So you don't have this huge

18:17

switch. Right. Think

18:19

about it. Okay. I love, I love

18:21

it as a possibility. Um, it, I don't think it's going

18:23

to happen, but I love it as a possibility. And if

18:25

it does happen, you're coming back on to take a victory

18:27

lap. Um, I want to talk like

18:30

it's so brutal. What, what, what

18:32

they've been writing, the Maureen Dowd

18:35

column in particular was just absolutely

18:37

unsparing. And as I say, he

18:39

reads that like, we know that he reads

18:41

that he likes Maureen. He, I think he

18:43

begrudgingly likes Maureen trying to

18:45

find it here. Hold on a second. My team will tell me

18:47

what page my Maureen Dowd thing is on. Is it in my

18:49

update you guys? Hold on a second. Looking for it. Then

18:53

bye. Um, but

18:56

let's, before I get to that, let's just talk

18:58

about the split though, between what we're hearing from

19:00

the press, Charlie, and what we're hearing from the

19:02

top advisors. So I believe that it's just a

19:04

matter of like what Obama and Hillary and Jeffries

19:07

and Clyburn are doing. It's just the outward facing

19:09

initial front. Like that's just the infantry saying, no,

19:11

we're still marching. But behind closed doors,

19:13

you know, they're having meetings about all of this because

19:16

even the papers that are defending him are saying if,

19:19

if Joe Biden and Jill are convinced he's

19:21

going to cost the Democrats seats at the

19:23

house level, at the Senate level, and at

19:25

the, on the local races across the board,

19:28

then he'll rethink this. And so

19:30

as they do those calculations, if that comes to

19:32

the wrong conclusions for the Dems, all those people

19:34

will turn on him in a second, maybe not

19:37

outwardly again, they'll go to him privately. But

19:39

I don't believe they're public protestations that they're still,

19:41

that he's still okay for the job and that

19:43

they're still behind him. Do you? No.

19:47

And, and look, they're going to get

19:50

into self-preservation mode, especially in some of

19:52

these dangerous Senate races. If, for example,

19:54

Bob Casey in Pennsylvania,

19:57

if he, if he thinks he's

19:59

going to lose his seat. because

20:01

of Biden losing by five

20:03

or six points or at the top threshold

20:05

even more than that, they're

20:07

gonna cut bait. Or if Tammy Baldwin, incumbent

20:10

Democrat Senator in Wisconsin, same sort of thing.

20:12

John Tester in Montana is basically a dead

20:14

man walking, but how about Ruben Gallego in

20:16

Arizona? They really want that race. Kerry Lake

20:18

could become a US Senator. If you think

20:20

they hate Donald Trump, they hate Kerry Lake

20:23

almost as much. So you

20:25

go around the map here of

20:27

incumbent Democrat Senators, Sherrod Brown in

20:29

Ohio, for example. And the reason

20:31

is this, is that a presidential candidate has

20:33

what is called tails and

20:35

a really, really good presidential

20:38

candidate will overperform the down

20:40

ballot Senate races. When

20:42

a candidate is bad, the down ballot

20:44

will overperform the top ballot. So what

20:46

we're seeing right now is

20:48

Democrat down ballot Senate candidates like

20:51

Sherrod Brown and Ruben Gallego and

20:53

Casey are overperforming Biden by anywhere

20:55

between five to 10 points. Inversely,

20:59

Donald Trump is overperforming even the

21:01

best Republican candidates like Sam Brown against

21:03

Jackie Rosen in Nevada by four to

21:06

six points. So you're looking at almost

21:08

a 10 point Delta at times. That

21:10

is growing, it is not narrowing, especially

21:12

as Biden's numbers are going down. We

21:14

have not even seen the data

21:17

from the debate really set into polling. We

21:19

have some shock polls, but it usually takes

21:21

a week or two to really kind of

21:23

digest that and understand where we are. We're

21:25

seeing the warning signs though that this could

21:27

have collateral damage all the way down the

21:29

ballot. And so people are very

21:32

focused, Megan, on oh, is Obama,

21:34

Schumer, Pelosi gonna pull Biden? It's

21:36

more likely that it will be

21:38

bottom up, not top down. Top

21:40

down would be Obama, Schumer,

21:42

Pelosi. Bottom up would be Hakeem

21:44

Jeffries. It would be Senate candidates

21:46

that say, guys, we're gonna lose

21:49

everything and get even get far

21:51

away from the majority if Joe Biden remains at the

21:53

top of the ticket. I love

21:55

your mentioning Carrie Lake. You're right,

21:57

they hate her. Somebody behind.

21:59

closed doors, some Democrats saying,

22:02

we're talking Kerry Lake

22:04

sweeps at the Senate level.

22:07

That'll get people's attention. You're absolutely right. Okay, I

22:09

found the Maureen Dowd piece. I have so many

22:11

to go through. But here's Maureen

22:13

Dowd in part. The ghastly

22:15

versus the ghostly. He's

22:18

being selfish. He's putting himself

22:20

ahead of the country. He's

22:22

surrounded by opportunistic enablers. He's

22:24

created a reality distortion field where we're

22:26

told not to believe what we've plainly

22:28

seen. His hubris is infuriating. He

22:31

says he's doing this for us, but he's

22:33

really doing it for himself. I'm

22:35

not talking about Donald Trump. I'm talking

22:37

about the other president. She goes

22:39

on, Jill Biden lacking the detachment

22:41

of a Melania and enjoying the role

22:44

of first lady more has been pushing

22:46

and shielding her husband beyond a reasonable

22:49

point. Speaking of Biden at the

22:51

debate, he looked ghostly with

22:53

that trepidatious gait. He couldn't remember

22:55

his rehearsed lines or numbers. He

22:57

has age related issues and those

22:59

go in only one direction.

23:01

By the way, that's the key point for the

23:04

entire day. It was heart wrenching

23:06

to watch the president's childhood stammer return. My

23:08

God, I've heard that in a few places.

23:10

Sure, it was the stammer. It

23:13

goes in only one direction. To me, Charlie, that's

23:15

the response to virtually all the defenders that I've

23:17

seen out there who say it was one bad

23:19

night, it was one bad night. You're

23:22

complete, obviously it's gaslighting. But

23:24

what the defenders of the president who

23:26

may have sincere hopes that he can

23:28

rebound are missing is these are all

23:30

age related issues. And unlike Barack Obama

23:32

in 2012, when he was

23:34

still in his 40s, age

23:38

only goes in one direction. And

23:41

dementia, if that's what the president is suffering

23:43

from, only goes in one direction.

23:45

And everyone knows that because we've all taken

23:47

care of an elderly relative or seen it done

23:50

by friends. No,

23:53

that's exactly right. I mean, the only exception is I think

23:55

Donald Trump is getting younger in this campaign. I

23:57

think the more he gets indicted, there's some sort of life force

23:59

that comes out of him. He looks better today than he did

24:01

three years ago. I'm sorry. I'm just I know.

24:04

But he looks maybe. But

24:07

that's it. Okay. But

24:09

the look, Joe Biden is on a on

24:11

a slow motion and not so not so

24:13

much of a slow motion decline and it

24:16

is not one bad night. It has

24:18

been a couple years of

24:20

this being covered up and that's

24:22

what's so critical. This must be

24:24

broadened and there's this incredible sizzle

24:26

reel of every major Democrat saying

24:28

he's the sharpest I've ever seen.

24:31

He asks great questions. He's

24:33

wonderful that this now needs to be an

24:36

indictment of the entire Democrat Party, which plays

24:38

into, by the way, one of Donald Trump's

24:40

greatest strengths. One of Donald Trump's greatest strengths

24:42

is that they're lying to you. They're not

24:44

telling you the truth. So put me in

24:47

office. I might not be the nice guy,

24:49

but I'll plainly speak the truth to you

24:51

and I'm going to tell the truth about

24:53

the big stuff that we're losing jobs and

24:56

our border is open. So put me in

24:58

office. And so the pattern

25:00

now we see of how much we

25:02

have been lied to and gaslit from

25:04

the vaccine to lockdowns to the war

25:06

in Ukraine, to the origin of COVID,

25:08

to the wide open border to there

25:10

is no inflation to inflation is good

25:12

to inflation is transitory. The

25:15

repetition of lies. Now you can add to

25:17

it that Joe Biden is completely coherent and

25:19

knows where he is. And

25:21

this was not a bad debate performance.

25:23

A bad debate performance is what Barack

25:26

Obama had against Mitt Romney in 2012

25:28

for the first debate. This

25:30

was a, this was a

25:32

health crisis on display. A

25:35

bad debate performance is that you forget some of your

25:37

points. This is something completely different.

25:40

This is that anybody who has dealt with

25:42

someone suffering with Alzheimer's or dementia or some

25:44

sister or cousin of it, it almost looked

25:46

like sundowner syndrome. Like as soon as the

25:48

sun goes down, like he's,

25:50

he's checking out or he does

25:52

not have the same faculties. Even

25:55

the politico.com he came off the

25:57

stage and said to Jill Biden.

26:00

I don't know if I felt my best. I don't really know

26:02

what happened there. Kind of like completely,

26:04

where was my adrenaline shot? Jill Biden was

26:07

out on the campaign road and she said

26:09

that Joe said to her, I didn't

26:11

feel well. I don't know what happened. I

26:13

didn't feel well. So now it's, okay, what?

26:15

Oh, it was a cold. He had a

26:17

cold. That's the problem. Now it's, I didn't

26:20

feel well. You know, you've got more, Maureen

26:22

Dowd did take him to task as many

26:24

others, but they keep mentioning his stammer. It

26:26

wasn't about his damn stammer. Just stop that.

26:28

We know what we saw and the

26:30

honest Democrats, and I will give credit to Ezra

26:32

Klein. He's one of them, at least in response

26:35

to this, has been saying the same. Like he's

26:37

been consistent. Yeah. Like you cannot

26:39

gaslight the American public. And was it,

26:41

it was one of the former Obama

26:43

guys, David Plouffe, Ben Rhodes, who came

26:45

out and said, yeah, I think you

26:47

can't, you can't gaslight people. The answer

26:49

here is not to tell people they

26:51

didn't see what they know they saw.

26:54

So, but they they'll continue to try. I

26:58

want to just mention, we're taping the show early

27:00

today because I have an appointment during the live

27:02

show that we normally do. The news

27:04

just hit. Trump

27:06

just got a very good reading, a ruling from

27:08

the US Supreme Court on immunity. It just hit.

27:11

It's 1037 as you and I are speaking. And

27:14

we'll have to read the opinion because this is going

27:16

to be a confusing and nuanced one, but six to

27:18

three in favor of

27:21

upholding the following.

27:24

It's written by Chief Justice Roberts,

27:26

a former president has absolute immunity

27:29

for his core constitutional powers. Former

27:32

presidents are also entitled to at

27:34

least a presumption of immunity for

27:37

their official acts held

27:40

under our constitutional structure of separated

27:42

powers. The nature of presidential power

27:44

entitles a former president to

27:47

absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for

27:49

actions within his conclusive and preclusive

27:51

constitutional authority. And he is entitled

27:53

to at least a presumptive immunity

27:57

from prosecution for all of his official

27:59

acts, all of them. There is no

28:01

immunity for unofficial acts. This

28:03

is a great ruling for Trump. This is the best he

28:05

could hope for. He can't- This is

28:07

huge. Even his lawyer was not arguing that

28:09

he gets absolute immunity for all unofficial acts.

28:11

His lawyer was conceding at the oral argument.

28:15

Sure, there are some unofficial acts that he made

28:17

in the rule as candidate Trump that he wouldn't

28:19

be protected for. Well,

28:22

think about it. Some of the checks in the New York

28:24

Bragg case are written as when he was president. The

28:27

checks were- You have to understand that. Well,

28:30

but no. So now all of a sudden they- Was

28:32

it an official act? Was it

28:34

an official act? No, of course. And you're

28:36

saying though that there's some unofficial presumption of

28:39

immunity. Is that what you're saying? For

28:41

unofficial acts. For official acts, like let's take the most

28:43

obvious. The court actually mentions

28:46

this. Appointing an ambassador.

28:49

Dealing with a foreign government. Those would be

28:51

obvious official acts for which he would receive

28:54

absolute immunity. But other official duties that were,

28:56

may or may not be clear, get a

28:58

presumption of immunity that can be pierced. There's

29:01

gonna have to be a factual inquiry. A guarantee without

29:03

having read the rest of this decision. They're gonna remand

29:05

it down to the DC circuit to come up with,

29:07

or down to the district court, to come up with

29:09

a factual determination

29:11

on whether the actions alleged here

29:14

are official. Absolute

29:17

immunity, the official acts, official acts that

29:19

get the presumption, or obviously unofficial acts

29:21

made purely as a candidate, like his

29:23

lawyer conceded, that wouldn't get any presumption.

29:25

By the way, here's just to get

29:28

you up to speed. Here's Trump's lawyer

29:30

at the oral argument, conceding a series

29:32

of events that would not be official

29:34

at all. Watch. And

29:40

I wanna know if you agree or disagree about

29:42

the characterization of these acts as private. Petitioner

29:45

turned to a private attorney, was willing

29:47

to spread knowingly false claims of election

29:49

fraud to spearhead his challenges to the

29:51

election results. Private? As alleged,

29:53

I mean, we dispute the allegation, but that

29:55

sounds private to me. Sounds private. Petitioner conspired

29:57

with another private attorney who caused the filing

30:00

increase. of a verification signed by a petitioner

30:02

that contained false allegations to support a challenge.

30:04

That also sounds private. Three

30:06

private actors, two attorneys, including those

30:09

mentioned above, and a political consultant

30:11

helped implement a plan to submit

30:13

fraudulent slates of presidential electors to

30:15

obstruct the certification proceeding, and petitioner

30:17

and a co-conspirator attorney directed that

30:19

effort. You

30:21

read it quickly? I believe that's private. I don't wanna.

30:24

So those acts you would not dispute. Those were

30:26

private, and you wouldn't raise a claim that they

30:28

were official. As characterized, what we would say, your

30:30

honor, if I may, that what we would say

30:32

is official is things like meeting with the Department

30:35

of Justice to deliberate about who's gonna be the

30:37

acting attorney general of the United States, communicating with

30:39

the American public, communicating with Congress about matters of

30:41

enormous fairness. Thank you. Thank you. Very

30:44

interesting. And let me read you a little bit more here. I

30:47

believe what we're looking at is the quick write-up

30:49

from, is this SCOTUS blog, Kelly McGuire? The

30:53

court explains that it does

30:55

not need to decide in this case whether immunity

30:57

for official acts is presumptive or absolute. This is

30:59

exactly what I just said. They're gonna remand it

31:02

down to the lower courts to make a factual

31:04

determination based on what's been alleged against Trump. The

31:06

court, in part three of its opinion, indicates

31:09

that in this case, no court has thus

31:11

far considered how to distinguish between official and

31:13

unofficial acts. And you heard Trump's lawyer there

31:16

making a distinction, saying, you know, consultations

31:18

with the attorney general, that would be

31:20

official acts. Trump did talk to the

31:22

acting attorney general about the election and

31:24

what we knew and so on. And

31:26

this court is saying, as Trump's lawyer

31:28

did, that would be an official act.

31:31

But listen, moreover, Roberts continues, quote,

31:34

the lower courts rendered their decisions on a

31:36

highly expedited basis and did not analyze the

31:38

conduct alleged in the indictment to decide which

31:40

of it should be categorized as official and

31:42

which unofficial. And that wasn't

31:44

brief before the US Supreme Court. So

31:47

this is back to SCOTUS blog analysis. The

31:50

Supreme Court's not gonna make that determination now. Instead,

31:52

it will send the case back to the lower

31:54

courts for further proceedings, although it does offer some

31:56

guidance, quote, quoting here from the opinion, certain

31:58

allegations such as. Those involving Trump's

32:00

discussions with the acting attorney general

32:03

are readily categorized in light of the nature

32:05

of the president's official relationship to the office

32:07

held by that individual. That was the third

32:10

point in the discussion we just heard with

32:12

Amy Coney Barrett and Trump's lawyer. They

32:14

accepted Trump's lawyer's argument. Other allegations such

32:17

as those involving Trump's interactions with the

32:19

vice president, state of officials, and certain

32:21

private parties, and his comments to the

32:23

general public present more difficult questions. Further

32:26

in the opinion, the court does weigh in on

32:29

some of the aspects. Trump

32:31

is absolutely immune from prosecution

32:33

for the alleged conduct involving

32:35

his discussions with Justice Department

32:38

officials. That's a bulk of

32:40

what he's been accused of doing. That's illicit.

32:43

They send it back to the district court to determine,

32:45

among other things, whether a

32:47

prosecution involving Trump's attempts to influence the

32:49

vice president's oversight of the certification proceeding

32:51

and his capacity as president of the

32:53

Senate would pose any dangers of

32:56

intrusion on the authorities and functions of the executive

32:58

branch. So this is the journey now, Charlie, to

33:01

a factual inquiry by the district

33:03

court, Judge Chotkin, who hates Trump, but she's

33:05

going to get overruled if she lets her

33:07

partisan politics control this decision on

33:10

what exactly is being, what lives

33:13

in Jack Smith's case against Trump

33:15

and what dies and what's

33:17

being alleged in an official capacity and

33:19

what isn't. And whatever she

33:22

does will determine what's left. There's only a

33:24

meager part of the January 6th case left

33:26

in the wake of the Supreme Court's behavior

33:28

last week. But this

33:31

also affects the Georgia case and

33:33

the Mar-a-Lago case. The Georgia case, I

33:36

mean, some of the acts that we heard

33:38

Trump's lawyer concede are done in the unofficial

33:40

capacity. Those will live on in

33:42

the Georgia case. Just like we heard that. So it's

33:44

not that all the cases go away, but

33:46

it's an enormous victory for Donald Trump

33:48

and frankly, for the presidency. And

33:51

the ability of presidents to make decisions

33:53

without worrying about getting indicted writ large.

33:57

Yeah. And to your point, the Fulton County case,

34:00

too. remember it's all hinges on him making a

34:02

phone call while President of the Brad Raffensperger was

34:04

that an official act was it an unofficial act

34:06

they're gonna have to figure that one out this

34:09

is massive they bet the entire farm

34:11

on law fair specifically on this presidential

34:13

immunity case how much this is actually

34:15

going to whittle down the indictments against

34:17

Trump remains to be seen but understand

34:20

this has not been a good week for

34:23

Democrats they thought that at this point in

34:25

in July of two thousand twenty four they

34:27

thought they were gonna be dealing with a

34:29

damaged Donald Trump that barely got through a

34:32

bitter primary with DeSantis they thought that Joe

34:34

Biden was gonna be leading in the polls

34:36

with tons of money they thought that Donald

34:38

Trump was gonna be having two or three

34:41

concurrent trials of state and federal instead it's

34:43

the opposite they just had a debate that

34:45

was one of the worst debates in American

34:47

history they have an internal civil war brewing

34:50

in the Democrat Party Donald Trump got two

34:52

great Supreme Court decisions on the 1512 C

34:54

and also on that's the January 6th one

34:56

and then also this particular one on presidential

34:59

immunity the we're about to

35:01

see some really desperate stuff from

35:03

the American Democrat Party because this

35:05

has been a very very bad

35:07

week for Democrats they bet

35:09

the farm on Biden they bet it on

35:12

the indictments and they are falling up very

35:14

very short yeah they

35:16

ignored and covered up Biden's

35:18

cognitive issues they put all

35:21

their money behind lawfare and the lawfare is

35:23

falling apart by the minute Fannie

35:25

Willis is more than likely going to be bounced

35:27

from this case which could very well mean it

35:29

doesn't get prosecuted at all it's gonna have to

35:32

go to this Georgia Board of prosecuting attorneys

35:34

at this board that oversees them we'll have to

35:36

see whether somebody else will take it so her

35:38

disqualification or the failure to disqualify her is going

35:40

up an appeal right now to a to

35:43

three judges all of whom are Republican

35:45

appointed down in Georgia that doesn't necessarily

35:47

determine the day but it's looking more

35:49

promising for Trump down there and once

35:51

she's gone this case has very little

35:53

chance of going forward so that's Georgia

35:56

we saw what happened in New York yes Trump may

35:58

get a terrible sentence on July 11 He's not going

36:00

even if he sentenced him immediately to jail. Trump would

36:02

do an immediate appeal to the first department and he

36:05

would get it. He's not going to jail before November.

36:08

Yes, the Democrats were trying to say jail, jailbird,

36:10

jailbird, but that's not going to work. I

36:13

don't think that's going to work any better

36:15

than convicted felon is working. And then you've

36:17

got the January 6 case, which was the

36:19

scariest case against him in a number of

36:21

ways gutted at its core claim last week

36:23

by the Supreme Court saying you can't bring

36:26

an obstruction for of an official proceeding case

36:28

against these J six defendants, including Trump, leaving

36:31

only two other lesser charges, which

36:33

now may or may not have been gutted by today's

36:35

decision. And then there's Mar-a-Lago where

36:37

they have a more Trump reasonable judge. She's

36:40

not in the tank for Trump as his,

36:42

as her critics claim, but she's being reasonable

36:45

and she's not like a judge Chutkin or a

36:47

judge. Michonne she's being fair. So that case is

36:49

rolling and it's going at a snail's pace. More

36:52

chance does he get decided before election day and

36:54

if he wins, he can easily just pull the

36:56

DOJ off of that case because it's a federal

36:58

one and the case goes away like that. Let

37:01

me give you Eli Mistall, this lunatic who writes for

37:03

the nation as their justice correspondent,

37:06

biggest, biggest racist on MSNBC and that's

37:08

saying something more racist than George is

37:10

terrible. Believe it or not. He writes as follows.

37:13

Presidents are above the law. This

37:16

is what Republicans want. Republicans

37:18

control the courts. So they won. When

37:21

I started talking about court expansion back in 2016, this is why,

37:23

right? Expand

37:26

the court. Here we go.

37:28

He continues. So ends the part of the

37:30

American experience where our leaders were bound by

37:32

the rule of law. Thanks

37:35

for playing. And

37:37

then here's Donald Trump. Big win for

37:39

our constitution and democracy. Proud to be an

37:41

American. It is a big win and I have to tell you,

37:43

I think, you know, who else I bet is thinking it's a

37:45

big win. Barack Obama, Joe

37:48

Biden. Yes. Bill

37:50

Clinton. Everybody who's been

37:52

president. Well,

37:55

yeah, I mean, Barack Obama could be

37:57

indicted for murdering an American citizen without

37:59

due process. on foreign soil. When he

38:01

drone-striked that guy, oh he's alleged

38:03

on terror acts, wait, where was the trial,

38:06

where was the due process? Well, you know,

38:08

honestly I believe he should have presidential immunity

38:10

because if you start all of a sudden

38:12

going back into the official acts, for example,

38:14

should Joe Biden be able to be held

38:17

criminally accountable for the reckless withdrawal of Afghanistan?

38:19

I mean it was terrible, it was awful,

38:21

but no, I mean that's an official act

38:23

as president. Every single president would then be

38:25

able to be indicted by

38:28

the next president for what he

38:30

actually did as president fulfilling his

38:32

duty and terms as commander

38:35

in chief. And look, the Democrats,

38:37

they were willing to put all

38:39

of that in jeopardy because they

38:41

would never believe that Democrats would

38:43

actually be indicted on those things.

38:45

So instead, getting and defeating

38:48

Donald Trump has become the most

38:52

important mission critical

38:54

component of the Democrat regime.

38:56

It does not matter if the Constitution gets in

38:58

the way, it doesn't matter if tradition gets in

39:01

the way, none of that

39:03

matters. All that matters is we

39:05

have to destroy Donald Trump. And they are so

39:07

prideful that they think that if they destroy Donald

39:09

Trump, they will hold on to power for 100

39:13

years. They could not, they can't believe

39:15

that the American people would not continue

39:17

to give them power. For them, it

39:19

is all about obliterating Trump and the

39:21

MAGA movement. Thankfully, the Supreme Court did

39:23

the right thing here. Oh,

39:25

and it's amazing. I'm going to take a quick break

39:27

and then I'm going to come back and I'm going

39:30

to tell you what Justice Thomas wrote

39:32

in his concurrence that bodes very

39:34

poorly for the Jack Smith prosecution

39:37

in Mar-a-Lago. Again, the one that

39:39

hasn't been dinged up too badly

39:41

yet that continues to roll along

39:43

and that Trump does need to

39:45

worry about if he

39:48

loses in November or

39:50

does he? I will read you what he wrote and

39:52

we'll continue with our analysis. There's so much more to

39:54

get to. God, the news is on fire today. Don't

39:56

go away. More with Charlie Kirk right after this. Joining

40:00

Point USA's Charlie Kirk, author of Right Wing

40:02

Revolution, is with me today as the news

40:04

breaks about the Supreme Court

40:07

finding that the president is entitled to

40:09

absolute immunity for his official acts and

40:11

a presumption of immunity for

40:13

acts that may be official. Only

40:16

unofficial acts would not be immune for criminal

40:18

prosecution. A little bit more from the Roberts'

40:20

opinion. Again, it's a 6-3 decision with the

40:23

three libs, Sotomayor, Kagan, and

40:25

Katanji Brown-Jackson in the dissent.

40:29

Roberts writes that Trump asserts

40:31

a far broader immunity than the limited

40:33

one we have recognized. As

40:35

for the dissents, Roberts writes,

40:38

they strike a tone of chilling doom

40:40

that is wholly disproportionate to what the

40:42

court actually does today. Conclude

40:44

that immunity extends to official discussions

40:46

between the president and his attorney

40:48

general, and then remand to the

40:50

lower courts to determine in

40:53

the first instance whether and to

40:55

what extent Trump's remaining alleged conduct

40:57

is entitled to immunity, exactly as the

40:59

UNI just discussed. Charlie, they go on

41:02

to say, Roberts writing in

41:04

his conclusion, quote, this

41:06

case poses a question of lasting significance.

41:09

He notes that the immunity question has not come up

41:11

before. Quote, but in addressing

41:13

that question today, unlike the political branches

41:15

and the public at large, we cannot

41:17

afford to fixate exclusively or even primarily

41:19

on present exigencies. End quote.

41:21

He's trying to say this isn't just about

41:24

Donald Trump. This is about the

41:26

executive branch and how presidents are

41:28

going to be able to behave on a go forward basis.

41:31

Final substantive paragraph, quote, the

41:33

president enjoys no immunity for his

41:36

unofficial acts and not everything

41:38

the president does is official. The

41:40

president is not above the law,

41:42

but Congress may not criminalize the

41:44

president's conduct in carrying out the

41:46

responsibilities of the executive branch under

41:49

the constitution. And before I get to that, Justice

41:51

Thomas, did he, I told you about, let

41:53

me give you justice Sotomayor. He

41:55

went after I was just reading a

41:58

Sotomayor with one of the. not respectfully,

42:00

not she just was like, with

42:03

our democracy at stake, I dissent. That's basically

42:05

what's. I'm sorry, but Justice Sona-Mayar,

42:08

really, I

42:10

think she's the worst justice. I

42:13

prefer Katanji Brown-Jackson to her. And I don't mean to

42:15

be at all. Well, after the last, I agree with

42:17

you. I think she's the dimmest bulb on the

42:19

night. She really, I mean, I'm sorry, but she is. Here

42:21

she writes as follows. Today's

42:24

decision to grant former presidents criminal

42:27

immunity reshapes the institution of

42:30

the presidency. It makes a mockery

42:32

of the principle, foundational to our constitution and

42:35

system of government, that no man is above

42:37

the law. Relying on little

42:39

more than its own misguided wisdom about

42:41

the need for, quote, bold and unhesitating

42:43

action, end quote, by the president, the

42:46

court gives former president Trump all

42:48

the immunity he asked for and more. Because

42:51

our constitution does not shield

42:53

a former president from answering

42:55

for criminal and treasonous acts,

42:58

I dissent joined by the other two

43:00

libs. Okay, treason now, treason.

43:02

You know what the punishment for treason is?

43:04

The United States- Punishable by death. Yes,

43:07

that's how Sotomayor sees Donald Trump

43:10

and the January 6th behavior.

43:13

This is, oh. Well,

43:16

yeah, I have a couple of thoughts. Let me just, on the Sotomayor

43:18

thing, we are one or two

43:20

seats away on the Supreme Court from being

43:23

a completely different, I mean, completely damaged and

43:25

banana republic. Imagine if that was the majority

43:27

opinion. They view Donald Trump

43:29

as a traitor to the country. And

43:33

they did not get the decision they want.

43:35

They're about to get extraordinarily desperate here. I

43:37

will repeat that. Sotomayor did

43:39

not say, you know, I respectfully disagree with

43:41

my colleagues. Treasonous acts.

43:44

What acts exactly, Sotomayor, Justin Mayer, is

43:46

treasonous with Donald Trump. When he said,

43:48

I want you to peacefully and patriotically

43:50

march to the Capitol, he

43:53

has not been convicted of anything even

43:55

close to, indicted for anything close to

43:57

treason, let alone convicted of anything close

43:59

to treason. Isn't that legal

44:01

malpractice, Megan, that you are a

44:03

US Supreme Court, one of the

44:05

nine, you're a judge on the

44:07

Supreme Court, a justice, and you use

44:10

treasonous? Don't you believe in

44:12

the presumption of innocence or are you just

44:14

kind of applying that label haphazardly because you

44:16

think it was treasonous? Treason

44:18

has not been charged. Hasn't been charged, let alone

44:20

convicted. She

44:23

shouldn't be talking like that as a justice.

44:25

I mean, that is reckless and it is

44:27

irresponsible. And then it creates a

44:30

downstream effect. Of course, and by

44:32

the way, Trump is not

44:34

allowed to say the jury are Democrats

44:36

in the New York State trial against

44:38

him, but the Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor

44:41

can accuse him of treason in

44:43

a written opinion. No problem. That's

44:47

fine. But what do you do to traitors? Well,

44:49

you kill traitors. And

44:52

she should understand. I mean, they

44:54

always play this game with us. And so it's nice to play

44:56

this game with them. Don't they understand the

44:58

implications of their words? When

45:00

she calls him a traitor, she's at

45:02

the top of, you know, Democrat left

45:05

wing intelligentsia. So now all these legal

45:07

bloggers will say, oh, Sotomayor calls her

45:09

him a traitor, traitor, traitor, traitor. Will

45:12

this increase or decrease the amount of death

45:14

threats towards Donald Trump? Will this increase or

45:16

decrease the political temperature in this country? And

45:19

I am not joking when I say that. You

45:21

know, to my knowledge, no

45:23

Supreme Court justice in the history of

45:25

this country since probably reconstruction of the

45:27

Civil War has called a person

45:30

running for president, let alone a former president, a

45:32

traitor. What the implications of that

45:34

are is is profound and remarkable

45:36

and very scary and unsettling. If your goal

45:38

is to unite the country and heal our

45:41

divides and we're not a red state or

45:43

a blue state, but the United States of

45:45

America's Obama said in the 2004 convention

45:48

speech, you don't talk like that. If

45:50

your goal is to get us closer

45:53

to a Bolshevik versus Menshevak Civil War

45:55

or some sort of some

45:57

sort of revolution. chapter

46:00

in this country, you call the opposition

46:02

traders. Nothing good happens after that.

46:05

Here's, I'm sorry to do this to

46:08

you, but Keith Olbermann on

46:10

X. I mean, it's

46:12

always good to see, you know, just as

46:14

you can see, like how far the note,

46:16

he's an unwell person. I mean, he really

46:18

is. He's a, yes, you know, he

46:21

speaks for a fair amount of like really

46:23

far gone. Neurotic people. Yeah. Well,

46:26

thanks, Supreme Court. Now, King

46:28

Biden can officially declare Trump

46:31

a terrorist and officially imprison

46:33

him officially without trial and

46:35

without consequences can also officially

46:37

arrest selected Supreme Court justices.

46:40

Okay. Sure. Sure. Jan, that's how that's,

46:42

that's what I, that's what I expected

46:45

out of Keith Oberlin. That's about right.

46:48

Okay. So before we go to break, uh,

46:50

quickly here, no, we actually have to

46:52

take a break and I, I want to give this

46:54

a minute because I do think there's some very, very

46:56

promising news for Trump and that Mar-a-Lago, um, case

47:00

based on what I just read in the Thomas concurrence.

47:03

Uh, he's part of the six

47:05

of the six three, by the way, Katanji Brown Jackson

47:07

was in the minority here. She joined

47:09

with Kagan and sort of my, excuse

47:11

me, but she was part of the majority

47:13

in dumping that J six case destruction of

47:15

an official on the 1512. Yep. That's correct.

47:18

Katanji Brown Jackson has been a little bit

47:20

more of a swing justice than I think

47:22

the left counted on. And sadly for the

47:24

right, so is Amy Coney Barrett, who was

47:26

in the descent. Get me started on that.

47:28

I know. Right. I'm not case. At least

47:30

she ruled correctly here. And

47:32

in some ways I'm glad Roberts wrote the

47:35

majority here. I'm glad he wrote

47:37

the majority because it would be

47:40

at least a little more accepted

47:42

by reasonable left-wingers. There's

47:44

no one with more gravitas on the court

47:46

than the chief justice. And frankly, with the

47:49

United States writ large than this chief justice,

47:51

who is curried favor with them from the

47:53

beginning of his stint. Stand by back with

47:55

what Thomas wrote and so much more. We've

47:57

got to get to Mika Brzezinski on. Biden

48:00

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details apply Reaction

49:05

turning in by droves

49:09

right now in response to the

49:11

Supreme Court's decision finding that a

49:13

president does have the right to

49:16

absolute immunity for his official acts.

49:18

Now, whether Trump's behavior around his

49:20

election loss will qualify

49:22

as official acts remains to be determined.

49:24

They're remanding it down to the district

49:27

court, Judge Chutkin, in this case, to

49:29

decide whether the acts that have been

49:31

problematic, that he's been accused of in

49:34

this case, are official or unofficial.

49:36

But as a rule, they're giving

49:39

presidents absolute immunity from criminal prosecution

49:41

for their official acts while

49:43

in office. Turning Point USA's Charlie

49:45

Kirk, author of Right Wing Revolution,

49:47

remains with me. Charlie, I

49:50

want to get to what Justice Thomas writes in a concurring opinion.

49:53

It's a six to three case. The

49:55

three libs in the dissent writes

49:57

as follows. He's questioning the velocity.

50:00

validity of Jack Smith's appointment

50:02

as Special counsel which

50:04

he is in both of the federal

50:06

cases against Trump writing

50:08

quote if this unprecedented prosecution

50:11

is to proceed it must

50:13

be conducted by someone authorized to do

50:16

so by the American level

50:19

This is the argument Trump is

50:21

raising in particular in the Mar-a-Lago

50:23

case that's being argued right now

50:25

down there about whether He

50:28

as a special counsel Has

50:30

any right to go after Donald

50:32

Trump or whether they needed to

50:35

use somebody who was in the government and

50:37

already confirmed? Like a US

50:39

attorney or somebody who's

50:41

been already previously empowered by the executive branch

50:44

It's a it's a technical argument But

50:47

Andy McCarthy had a piece out last week saying he

50:49

likes it and he thinks it may win the day

50:51

And if that happened he's

50:53

telegraphing already in that lane I like

50:55

it to go how many of the

50:57

conservatives does he speak for and is

51:00

that a backdoor? to

51:03

Trump's potential conviction on The

51:06

one piece of all the lawfare against him that

51:08

has concerned me and many other legal experts from

51:10

the beginning which is yes big time

51:12

The obstruction piece of the Mar-a-Lago

51:14

case his refusal to turn over

51:16

the documents once subpoenaed whether

51:19

you're on a side or not That's

51:21

a problematic fact for Donald Trump But

51:23

if Jack Smith doesn't have the legal authority

51:25

to bring the case against him It's

51:28

irrelevant whether he crossed the law or the

51:30

line or not my god I mean like

51:32

the good news just keeps coming for him

51:34

Charlie. I know well and this is

51:36

this is Clarence Thomas Not so subtly

51:38

saying we see you Jack Smith and

51:40

all that work you're putting in I

51:43

might be able to get to five Because

51:45

this is more of the Thomas court than the

51:47

Roberts court actually and so you better watch yourself

51:50

That's what this is all about and again. It

51:52

is more of the Thomas court Thomas works that

51:54

room. He's super well-liked Megan He's like the night.

51:56

I don't know if you ever met him. He

51:59

is the the best

52:01

person ever. I mean, he is just

52:03

a uniquely American story. And everybody, including

52:05

even RBG and everyone, they said he's

52:07

just the, he got along with all

52:09

the libs for years and he's just,

52:11

he's personable and he's human and he's

52:14

just terrific. So therefore, she's really

52:16

won a lot of favor over with the court.

52:18

And especially I bet on

52:20

these high stakes decisions, he's going to

52:22

try to work the ropes a little

52:24

bit, you know, with Hey, ACB, let's

52:26

talk about this. Was this illegally constituted?

52:29

So if you start with from a

52:31

strict constitutional standpoint, probably Thomas, Alito

52:33

and Gorsuch would go along. Roberts

52:36

would probably be no go. The

52:38

question is, can you and Kavanaugh

52:40

and Amy Coney Barrett on this

52:42

idea that Jack Smith and

52:46

the way that this was put together was

52:48

not constitutional, that it wasn't through a

52:50

US attorney. It wasn't through a deputy,

52:52

it wasn't through Lisa Monaco. It wasn't

52:54

through Merrick Garland. I'm not a

52:57

legal scholar by any means. I could just look

52:59

at the politics of this and the media and

53:01

the communication side of it, which is Clarence Thomas

53:03

saying this and broadcasting this. I mean,

53:05

I would go into cardiac

53:07

arrest if I was Jack Smith at this

53:10

point, not only did you lose on 1512,

53:12

not only did you lose on presidential immunity,

53:15

but all of this work, let's say

53:17

you get to a conviction, it might get vacated by

53:19

the Supreme court. Just

53:22

a little bit more color on Amy

53:24

Coney Barrett. According to

53:26

Scoda's blog, and again, I have the opinion here, my

53:28

team has brought it into me. It is about an

53:30

inch and a half thick, so I have not yet

53:32

read it, but I will. But

53:34

Scoda's blog reporting, and they're still reading it too. I

53:36

mean, Scoda's blog hasn't had time to digest the whole

53:38

thing. They're saying Amy Coney Barrett has

53:41

a concurring opinion. She's part of the six and

53:44

she concurs in the end result, but

53:46

here's her rationale. She agrees with the

53:48

majority on the core constitutional powers immunity,

53:51

but would take a different approach to

53:53

other official acts. She would look at

53:55

whether the criminal statute under which the

53:57

president is being charged applies.

53:59

to his conduct and whether that application to the

54:01

particular facts of the I don't even understand this

54:04

I'm gonna have to go back and look at

54:06

this is too much to the most ACB answer

54:08

ever it's just no she's such a technocrat and

54:10

she uses her technocratic I know to get to

54:12

the results she wants it's it's the most exactly

54:14

I'm not not yeah not a fan I don't

54:16

like where she's headed I'll be honest I don't

54:18

like where she's headed it's I don't she feels

54:20

like it's not good to me it's not good

54:22

I have to say but how she is the

54:25

majority on Fisher I

54:28

can't I couldn't I still don't understand that I don't

54:30

know you know I it might have been if it

54:33

was five four on that on Fisher I would

54:35

have said wow the six three might be a

54:37

throwaway vote where it's just like hey true I'm

54:39

a free thinker you know it's a show vote

54:42

as you call it in the US Senate so

54:44

I'm not there yet on content because she still

54:46

can't tell us what a woman is okay

54:49

let's have a good point the court also notes

54:51

in a footnote that the district

54:54

court if necessary should consider whether

54:56

two of the charges brought by Jack Smith against

54:58

Trump in Washington that's the J six case involving

55:00

obstruction of the official proceeding can go forward in

55:02

light of the court's ruling last week in Fisher

55:04

yeah obviously that it's not I can answer it

55:07

for you right now it's not going forward that's

55:09

not happening so

55:12

this decision is huge Donald Trump is

55:14

winning he really is doing all the

55:16

winning that the left is gonna get

55:18

sick and but but to

55:20

pick back up on your point about treason

55:22

that's already the salon headline and the left

55:24

is gonna run with a salon headline of

55:27

course quotes quote

55:29

treasonous acts liberal

55:31

justices say SCOTUS Trump

55:33

immunity ruling quote a mockery of

55:36

the Constitution so treasonous act

55:38

that's gonna be in a campaign ad in

55:40

less than 24 hours now without

55:43

a doubt yes and again what comes

55:46

after that will God forbid

55:48

be more threats more intimidation more violence

55:50

but she knows that she's doing and

55:52

by the way how is Sotomayor's now

55:55

official legal dissent as a justice on

55:57

the Supreme Court any different than the

55:59

unhookers hinged musings of Joy Reid and

56:01

MSNBC. Is there any daylight

56:03

between the two? And the answer is no.

56:05

I mean, it would be a fun game. Yeah, it

56:09

would be a fun game of like, let me read to you,

56:11

sort of my, or and read to you, Joy Reid's open, which

56:13

one is what you can't tell. There

56:16

is no difference. And, and

56:18

like, I love how she's like with

56:20

our democracy in peril. Again, I hate

56:22

to be a stickler for words here.

56:24

We are a constitutional republic, not a

56:26

democracy. This whole imparting of

56:28

that we are a democracy, I actually believe

56:30

is an attempt to refound the country without

56:32

the permission of the people into something that

56:34

we aren't, which is much closer to an

56:36

oligarchy, not a representative government. But yes, that

56:38

is going to be the media headline. Donald

56:40

Trump gets called the traitor by the descent.

56:43

We don't have a job and nor should we did if we

56:46

did, boys would be banned

56:48

nationwide from participating in girls

56:50

sports. And Joe Biden wouldn't be

56:52

allowed to read them for president because the latest

56:54

poll shows 72% of the electorate thinks he is

56:56

too old and infirm for the job. So she

56:58

should be glad even for her side that we

57:00

don't have majority rule in this country. Let me

57:03

switch back. You mentioned RGB Ruth

57:05

Bader RBG, Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

57:08

The term that kept coming to my mind over the weekend was

57:12

Ruth Bader Biden or Joe

57:14

Bader Ginsburg, because the

57:16

comparisons to that situation had

57:19

all their eerie. Yes. On the

57:21

left, the, the, the sane left

57:23

is seeing that if Joe Biden refuses

57:26

to get out of this race and they

57:28

acknowledge everyone acknowledges if he doesn't willingly go,

57:30

he can't be dumped.

57:32

That's an impossibility given that 99% of the

57:34

delegates are already pledged to him. That

57:37

if he refuses to go, he will

57:39

be the Ruth Bader Ginsburg of presidents

57:42

because he will more than likely

57:44

cost the Democrats this race at

57:47

a time when they could have won it. And

57:50

it's already late in the game. Like they should have

57:52

switched them out early on and had a primary, but

57:54

he refused. But now in the wake of this disaster

57:56

in which he did not deliver in that debate, he

57:58

owes it to his part. and they argue the

58:01

country to step aside. And I agree as much

58:03

as I would love to see a clear path

58:05

for Trump to go in, the Republicans to win,

58:09

separate apart from that, I just don't want our country

58:11

to have to deal with an infirm president. It's not

58:13

right for the United States. There's a reason we have

58:15

the 25th amendment. So that's, can

58:17

you tell me whether the RBG

58:20

argument is likely to prevail

58:22

even on those Democrats who are digging in

58:24

on holding onto this guy saying just a

58:26

bad night? I

58:30

don't know. And the reason is that the Democrat

58:32

mafia is run by a bunch of octogenarians. And

58:34

I think they're afraid if they pull Joe Biden,

58:36

they're going to be pulled next. I

58:38

mean, if they pull Joe Biden, does that mean Schumer and

58:40

Pelosi? You have to go. Pelosi is older than Biden. She's 84.

58:42

I mean, she's actually sharper than

58:44

Biden and a lot tougher. But

58:47

there is this very interesting, almost

58:49

deal with the devil that has

58:51

been done with this group of

58:53

Democrat power brokers, Bill Clinton,

58:56

Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi previously, Harry Reid,

58:58

Joe Biden. And they all kind of

59:00

entered into politics at the same time,

59:02

the late seventies and early eighties, when

59:04

they all kind of began to get

59:07

to DC. And they look at themselves

59:09

almost as like, that's when we all,

59:11

we were like the class of 78

59:14

and they've all looked out for each

59:17

other for the last 40 or 50

59:19

years during this managed decline of the

59:21

United States of America and Megan, their

59:23

entire identity and their purpose is in

59:25

holding onto political power, like holding onto

59:27

it to the bitter end that we're

59:29

not going to pass it down to

59:31

the next generation, that we're not going

59:33

to kind of just release control. We're

59:35

not going, no, we are going to,

59:37

until the moment that we are in

59:39

a casket, we are going to have

59:41

political power. Amazing. I think this

59:43

is actually one of the great weaknesses in both.

59:45

The Republicans aren't immune to this either, by the

59:47

way, just to be clear, but the Democrats are

59:49

actually far worse right now, far worse. The Republican

59:52

party has younger voices that are ascendant. Say

59:54

what you will about Speaker Johnson. He's definitely

59:56

a different generation than Nancy Pelosi. I

59:59

don't know if the RBG. argument will

1:00:01

actually resonate because the great Democrat fault

1:00:04

line is that the base of

1:00:06

the Democrat Party is hyper radical

1:00:08

and very young, but their rulers

1:00:11

are incredibly transactional and very, very

1:00:13

old. And the old leaders,

1:00:15

they're not all of a sudden going to

1:00:17

hand off the baton. They will hold on

1:00:19

to power until they are dead. And

1:00:22

you look at Joe Biden, Joe Biden says, There's a

1:00:24

montage of just a few of them. Some of the

1:00:26

names you mentioned are in here. Watch. This is their

1:00:28

reaction over the weekend. Yes,

1:00:31

it was a bad performance

1:00:33

things. I've been a part of

1:00:35

debate preparation before. And I

1:00:37

know what I, when I see

1:00:39

what I call preparation overload, and

1:00:42

that's exactly what was going on. He

1:00:44

should stay in this race. We see

1:00:47

Joe Biden, of course, we know how

1:00:49

attuned he is to the issues, how

1:00:51

informed he is. I debate with him

1:00:53

about legislation and not debate,

1:00:56

but discuss it with him. He's

1:00:58

right there. So in any case,

1:01:00

it was a bad night. Let's

1:01:02

not sugarcoat

1:01:06

that. It was a bad night. It

1:01:08

was a great presidency. You

1:01:10

all did not have any kind of conversations about, oh, should

1:01:12

Joe Biden drop out of this race? Let's

1:01:15

have another debate where actually the

1:01:17

moderators will push back on Donald

1:01:19

Trump's lies. He intimidated your network.

1:01:21

Unfortunately, it's him or Trump. It's

1:01:23

literally you go to a dinner

1:01:25

and your choices are steak or

1:01:27

a pile of poo. This

1:01:30

is not a difficult choice. Joy

1:01:34

Reed, of course. I love the line

1:01:37

that it was so deep fault. The

1:01:39

moderators needed to fact check

1:01:41

Donald Trump and his lies. And it was

1:01:43

their failure to do so that made Joe

1:01:45

Biden look bad. And

1:01:49

I just it's so amazing. The media

1:01:51

carries their water endlessly. I mean, as

1:01:54

if Donald Trump gets fair treatment from

1:01:56

the media, this fair, let alone favorable

1:01:58

treatment from the media. No,

1:02:00

but if there's any sort of a moderator and Jake

1:02:02

Tapper and Dana Bash just like, here

1:02:04

is the question. What is your thought? They could

1:02:06

not have been more boring, right? They

1:02:09

could not have been. And I mean, and

1:02:11

to Dana Bash's credit and to push back

1:02:13

against the Levi jeans guy is

1:02:16

the Goldman. She followed up two or three. Yeah,

1:02:18

I can't remember his name. Levi jeans

1:02:21

error. And so like two or three

1:02:23

times, yeah, she

1:02:25

follows up. Will you accept the results? Okay,

1:02:27

fine. Like that's all right. Here's

1:02:29

what's important to Jake

1:02:31

Tapper and to Dana Bash's credit, which I

1:02:34

never thought I would say, it

1:02:36

goes really poorly when debate moderators are

1:02:38

in the fact checking business. They

1:02:40

tried that. Remember that? It's

1:02:43

very, very, very hard to do because

1:02:45

are you equally applying it by whose

1:02:47

standard are you doing it? And so

1:02:50

it is much better to allow the American

1:02:52

people to decide and to then just put

1:02:54

out the framework. Are you answering the question

1:02:57

or are you not answering the question? That's

1:02:59

a fact check him. Let the moderators

1:03:01

to defend. Yes. Only to defend his

1:03:04

or her question. That's it. That's it.

1:03:06

Exactly. Check the actual substance of the

1:03:08

answer. And Dana Bash and Jake Tapper

1:03:11

did a great job the other night.

1:03:13

They did not get involved. I

1:03:16

totally agree. Had they done so, it would

1:03:18

have looked like this. Mr. Biden, you just

1:03:20

stated that no troops died on your watch

1:03:22

as commander in chief and Jake Tapper, he's

1:03:25

very pro-American troop. He would have had this

1:03:27

at the ready. 13 troops

1:03:29

died at your disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan.

1:03:31

Another three in Jordan could have done

1:03:33

that. Mr. Biden, you just stated that

1:03:35

Mr. Trump stated good

1:03:38

people on both sides. Just this

1:03:40

week that was debunked by Snopes.

1:03:42

It's been debunked by many other

1:03:44

nonpartisan fact checkers in the past.

1:03:47

Do we really want that debate

1:03:49

where it's all what Jake Tapper

1:03:51

and Dana Bash or Megan Kelly

1:03:53

or whomever think about the issues?

1:03:55

Bullshit. That's not what happened here.

1:03:57

It was Joe Biden's obligation. That's

1:03:59

right. didn't do it. And

1:04:03

I want to just also say, and I think

1:04:05

it's being lost in the coverage, President Trump deserves

1:04:08

a lot of credit for

1:04:10

being just a

1:04:12

little bit of the sideshow of this debate

1:04:15

and having amazing self-control. I

1:04:17

don't think he has gotten the, you know, people say, oh,

1:04:19

what do you do, like compliment that as self-control? Think

1:04:22

about this. This is a guy that's trying to throw

1:04:24

you in prison that you believe is not the rightful

1:04:26

president from last time. You just want to go over

1:04:28

there and smack his head. I mean, they've talked about

1:04:30

fighting each other, by the way. And

1:04:32

Donald Trump just very gently was like, I don't

1:04:34

know what he said. And he doesn't even know

1:04:36

what he said. It was just that little gentle

1:04:38

touch. He allowed the

1:04:41

opportunity for Biden to

1:04:43

self-destruct. And again, to

1:04:46

an amazing discipline, Meghan, he did

1:04:48

not interrupt him. I think

1:04:50

there was only one opportunity, maybe. In fact, it

1:04:52

was Joe Biden that was on the attack. And

1:04:54

Donald Trump just kind of shrugged

1:04:57

his shoulders. And that Zen Donald

1:04:59

Trump, it was good to see. No,

1:05:02

it's true. But now, even, you know,

1:05:04

the Democrats came out the next day almost

1:05:06

uniformly and said, my God, he's got to

1:05:08

go. It's a disaster. We all saw what

1:05:10

you saw. And then once Joe Biden signaled,

1:05:12

I'm not going anywhere, and Jill Biden signaled

1:05:14

the same, they started to get

1:05:16

a little bit more defensive of him. Lawrence

1:05:18

O'Donnell was tuning in. Well, that's where they

1:05:21

are now. The non-panic zone tonight on my

1:05:23

show. You heard

1:05:25

Joy Reed. At least he's

1:05:27

not a pile of shit. So vote for him. Then

1:05:31

you had Joe Biden come out

1:05:33

with this message that they're finding

1:05:35

very stirring and reassuring because his

1:05:37

vigor was back at a

1:05:39

debate. I'm at a rally in North Carolina,

1:05:41

Sat-10. I know I'm

1:05:43

not a young man. State

1:05:45

the obvious. Well, I know. I

1:05:52

don't walk as easy as I used to. I don't speak

1:05:54

as smoothly as I used to. I

1:05:56

don't debate as well as I used to. I

1:06:00

know what I do know. I

1:06:02

know how to tell the truth. Yeah! Yeah!

1:06:08

I know like millions of Americans know. When

1:06:10

you get knocked down, you get back up. Yeah!

1:06:15

It was a good reading. He's a good reader. He

1:06:17

can read off the teleprompter. He proved that at the

1:06:20

State of the Union and he proved that yesterday. That's

1:06:22

not being president. My children can read off

1:06:24

the teleprompter well too, because they come in the studio and

1:06:26

they practice sometimes. They're not, they can't be president. Not

1:06:29

yet. Yes.

1:06:32

And here's the kicker is that Joe

1:06:36

Biden does not have the current

1:06:38

capabilities to govern this country. And

1:06:41

so, okay, he's able up to read

1:06:43

a couple of words in front of

1:06:45

a crowd there. If you are not

1:06:47

able to dialogue or discourse against Donald

1:06:49

Trump, how are you able to

1:06:51

negotiate peace with Vladimir Putin? How

1:06:53

are you able to deal with Xi Jinping? And the answer is

1:06:56

you're not. And so what everyone

1:06:58

realized is that there is an

1:07:00

administrative state, a puppeteering class that

1:07:02

is currently running the United States

1:07:04

government. And the

1:07:06

assault on, or at least the

1:07:08

criticism of Joe Biden's mental faculties

1:07:11

is opening a lot of people's eyes to

1:07:14

actually how our government is currently formed and

1:07:16

structured. And it's not the way you think.

1:07:18

Joe Biden is not in charge. There are

1:07:20

a group of experts that are currently calling

1:07:22

the shots in this country. Listen

1:07:26

to this, Charlie. Speaking of the advisor

1:07:29

class, because this is the new narrative that's

1:07:31

coming out. It was his advisor's fault. It

1:07:33

wasn't his fault. He's actually perfectly

1:07:35

competent. He was just over-prepared. You heard that

1:07:37

in the James Clyburn shot that we played

1:07:40

as part of that montage. And we've heard

1:07:42

it from multiple other Biden defenders now. But

1:07:45

this is from a followup in the

1:07:47

New York Times following up

1:07:49

on what happened in the Sunday meeting

1:07:51

that Hunter and Jill and his family

1:07:53

are urging Joe Biden to, quote, keep

1:07:55

fighting. I

1:07:58

read as follows. The anger among Democrats

1:08:00

made evident on Sunday when John Morgan,

1:08:02

a top Democratic donor who was close

1:08:04

to Mr. Biden's brother Frank publicly

1:08:06

blamed the advisors who managed

1:08:08

the president's debate preps, citing

1:08:11

by name Ron Klain. That's his former chief

1:08:13

of staff, Anita Dunn, his top communications advisor

1:08:15

and Bob Bauer. That's her husband and also

1:08:17

a top lawyer. Biden has

1:08:20

for too long been fooled.

1:08:23

Biden has for too long been fooled by

1:08:25

the value of Anita Dunn and her husband,

1:08:27

Mr. Morgan wrote on social media. They need

1:08:29

to go today. The

1:08:31

grifting is gross. It was political

1:08:33

malpractice. He elaborated in a subsequent interview,

1:08:36

quote, it would be like if you took a prize

1:08:38

fighter who is going to have a title fight and

1:08:40

put him in a sauna for 15

1:08:42

hours and then

1:08:44

said, go fight. He

1:08:47

said, I believe that the debate is

1:08:49

solely on Ron Klain, Bob Bauer and

1:08:52

Anita Dunn. A

1:08:54

member of Mr. Biden's family were likewise said to

1:08:56

be focused on the president's staff, including Ms. Dunn,

1:08:58

a White House senior advisor and her husband Bauer,

1:09:00

president's personal attorney who played Trump during the

1:09:03

debate rehearsals. They were asking why Mr. Klain,

1:09:05

the former White House chief of staff who

1:09:07

ran the prep, would in their view be

1:09:10

allowed to, quote, overload him with statistics. And

1:09:12

they were angry that Mr. Biden, who arrived

1:09:14

for the debate in Atlanta with

1:09:17

a summer tan, was made

1:09:19

up to look pale and

1:09:21

pallid. Hello, Agape. It was

1:09:23

not just his color. I

1:09:25

refer you back to our

1:09:27

earlier discussion. So it's the

1:09:30

advisors, Charlie, they need to

1:09:32

go. Yeah,

1:09:34

again, as I mentioned, the advisors,

1:09:36

they're not going to get fired

1:09:38

for getting us into a proxy

1:09:40

with Russia or having hyperinflation or

1:09:43

deteriorating the currency or the title

1:09:45

nine disgrace or destroying the

1:09:47

country when it comes to crime. But

1:09:49

hey, we must the knives are out

1:09:52

because you guys did not get the

1:09:54

hair and makeup right. Fifteen hours in the

1:09:57

sauna. Is open season. That's

1:09:59

right. Exactly. It's actually very interesting

1:10:01

because we're seeing them turn on each other. The narrative

1:10:03

that's come out over the press is now top advisors

1:10:05

are coming out and saying, it

1:10:08

wasn't us. It was not his

1:10:10

aides. It was Jill

1:10:12

Biden and her staff who kept

1:10:14

us all away from Joe Biden.

1:10:17

And therefore we weren't able to really see

1:10:19

how bad he is until- And

1:10:23

that's what's so important. This is

1:10:25

with seven to 10 days of isolated

1:10:27

prep of no other meetings. This

1:10:30

is with him like totally micromanaged

1:10:32

with, yes, and they have

1:10:34

their sleep schedule. This was,

1:10:36

we're going to get you ready, Joe, at Camp David. And

1:10:38

this is how he performs. And

1:10:41

honestly, the notion that

1:10:44

the top advisors are to be excused, because they

1:10:46

all have blood on their hands as far as

1:10:48

I'm concerned. You're all responsible. You all saw, you

1:10:50

all enabled. No one is excused,

1:10:52

whether you're Jill Biden or the advisors, but

1:10:54

the advisors can't dodge responsibility by saying we

1:10:56

were kept at arm's length by Jill. And

1:11:00

I saw it years ago, as I said at the beginning

1:11:02

of the show, our episode 339, in 2022

1:11:06

was all about the failings they knew, just

1:11:08

like all of us knew. Yes,

1:11:12

that's right. This has been the greatest open

1:11:14

secret in American politics and shame on the

1:11:16

media for not doing their job. It's pure

1:11:18

and total media malpractice. So

1:11:20

here's that, this all brings me, oh, by

1:11:23

the way, John Favreau, who is

1:11:25

an Obama speechwriter, he just

1:11:27

tweeted out, Joe

1:11:30

Biden's staff is not the problem. His

1:11:32

campaign team and his White House staff are

1:11:35

excellent. They've all been pulling their weight.

1:11:37

And then some, the only person who can

1:11:39

fix this mess is the guy running

1:11:41

for president. I'm telling you, all the Obama

1:11:43

people have turned on Biden. The only one

1:11:45

who has every single one of them

1:11:47

himself is Obama for now, for

1:11:50

now, until, you know, until

1:11:52

the dogs are released. So we will see. That

1:11:57

just shows you, that shows you that, in

1:11:59

my view, that Obama. feels as they do. And

1:12:01

they wouldn't be doing this if they thought they

1:12:03

were crossing their ex boss. They're doing it because

1:12:05

they're, I think surrogates for him in a way

1:12:07

they can say what he can't, he needs to

1:12:10

stand behind Joe until it's time for him to

1:12:12

do the ultimate power move and go with the

1:12:14

other cabal and tell Joe he's got to go.

1:12:16

Quick break more with Charlie after this. We're going

1:12:18

to take up the topic. Thank you. Mika Brzezinski

1:12:20

and how very wrong she was this morning. Don't

1:12:23

go away. More

1:12:26

than three days after that debate, it

1:12:28

is still hard to comprehend what we

1:12:30

saw from the president. The

1:12:33

weak raspy voice, the inability to

1:12:35

complete basic thoughts, most

1:12:37

importantly, the failure to

1:12:40

call out Donald Trump on his

1:12:42

endless lies. Where was that? And

1:12:46

yet the very next day in North

1:12:48

Carolina, there was Joe Biden

1:12:50

back to form, finding his voice,

1:12:53

his winning smile, the vintage sparkle

1:12:55

back in his eyes. Winning

1:12:58

smile, vintage sparkle.

1:13:01

Vintage sparkle. It's

1:13:03

back. That was

1:13:05

MSNBC's Mika Brzezinski this morning. Charlie Kirk

1:13:08

is back with me. So it was

1:13:10

actually a breathtaking 15 minute display by

1:13:12

Mika Brzezinski who is working

1:13:14

for the Biden campaign now very clearly. Joe

1:13:17

Scarborough noticeably absent from his chair this

1:13:19

morning after saying on Friday, vacation by

1:13:22

himself is what they say. Yeah. Without

1:13:24

his wife, right? That Biden wants to go,

1:13:26

that they need to sub him out. So

1:13:28

now she comes on solo, acknowledges

1:13:31

that her family and she have long been close

1:13:33

to the Bidens, which is, you know, obviously why,

1:13:35

I guess why she can't be objective that in

1:13:37

her hard left nature and tries

1:13:39

to chalk it up to the vintage smile is

1:13:41

back. A vintage sparkle and smile are back. So

1:13:44

all is well, but I want to go through

1:13:46

how, like the spin that

1:13:48

she brought us there, because it was actually

1:13:50

stunning to me. First, the

1:13:52

excuses. We heard some of the staff,

1:13:54

right? But here's, she has more on,

1:13:56

on why he didn't do well. Take a

1:13:58

listen to SOT 6. So

1:14:01

what was different? A little more sleep?

1:14:03

Perhaps it was an event during the

1:14:05

day, rather at night. On

1:14:08

debate night, 90 minutes

1:14:10

starting at 9pm, Joe Biden was

1:14:12

fresh off back to back trips

1:14:14

to Europe. The debate was

1:14:16

also two weeks after his son

1:14:19

Hunter was convicted on three felony

1:14:21

gun charges and faces prison. Oh

1:14:23

this is great. President

1:14:25

Biden painfully told America he

1:14:28

would not pardon his son. I

1:14:32

really question his schedule. It makes

1:14:35

me angry that he was moving across the

1:14:37

world on four different time zones. It

1:14:39

seems to me this is a lack of discipline.

1:14:45

Wait, wait, wait, hold on. I thought he spent

1:14:47

a whole week at Camp David before the

1:14:49

debate. A whole week at camp. Am

1:14:51

I correct? Leading up to that

1:14:53

four time zones. No pardon, conviction

1:14:58

and travel. She has serious questions

1:15:00

about his schedule. I don't know about you, Meghan,

1:15:03

when I fly to London, I can't

1:15:05

complete sentences. No, I

1:15:07

can't function for another week. A

1:15:10

whole week I say we're going

1:15:13

to beat Medicare and I stare

1:15:15

aimlessly. And what's so amazing, and

1:15:18

this is what's important, is that their doubling

1:15:20

and tripling down on this is only

1:15:22

going to further turn people against the Democrat

1:15:25

party. They know what they saw. And

1:15:27

because of that, Meghan, now all of a

1:15:29

sudden there have been increased Google searches

1:15:31

of past Biden gaps

1:15:33

and past Biden type

1:15:35

mistakes. A lot of people didn't know this or see

1:15:37

this. They're like, wow, that's terrible. I know some moderates

1:15:40

in my life that were texting me. It's like, wow,

1:15:42

Biden's really terrible. And I say, have you guys not

1:15:44

been watching? And the answer is they don't. No,

1:15:47

but that would be forced to. We are

1:15:49

politics obsessed. This is our space, right? Every

1:15:51

day we're consuming it, we're reading it, 12,

1:15:55

14, 16 hours a day. For some people, they

1:15:57

will do one to two hours of politics a

1:15:59

month. That's all they can handle. And

1:16:01

so they might say, yeah, okay, Biden's not up to it. Even

1:16:04

most of the most avid political consumers don't,

1:16:06

they don't spend that much time watching or

1:16:08

listening. I remember at Fox News, I saw

1:16:11

some stat that showed, we were getting, let's say

1:16:13

3 million a night and 600,000 in the key demo,

1:16:15

25 to 54. And

1:16:18

I never understood how with those numbers, these are

1:16:20

good numbers, at least certainly compared to what they're

1:16:22

doing today, those are great numbers. I

1:16:26

remember like, how do people know who I

1:16:28

am? Those are the numbers.

1:16:30

And Roger Ailes used to explain that it's because

1:16:32

it's not the same 3 million every night. And

1:16:34

the average viewer spends about 15 minutes taking

1:16:37

in like your average Fox News show a week.

1:16:40

They're not, the average viewer's actually not watching it

1:16:42

five times a week. So, and those are people

1:16:44

who are politically motivated to take in news. So

1:16:47

you're absolutely right. I wanted to make one other point.

1:16:49

In that first soundbite we bumped in with, she

1:16:52

said what a lot of Democrats have

1:16:54

said, which is the problem with Biden

1:16:56

right now is that his infirmity makes

1:16:58

it impossible for him to stick

1:17:00

it to Donald Trump. Like he

1:17:02

failed in the debate because he wasn't able to

1:17:04

raise all the points. I mean, it is true.

1:17:07

He didn't raise points and he didn't try to

1:17:09

do fact checking, but that

1:17:11

is not the problem. The problem

1:17:13

is that he is not competent

1:17:15

to be president. It's not

1:17:18

that his ability to argue has

1:17:20

been undermined. Well, that's

1:17:22

exactly right. Well, and

1:17:24

you saw this in the Reed Hoffman memo.

1:17:26

So the Reed Hoffman, he's a LinkedIn donor,

1:17:28

LinkedIn founder, big Democrat donor. And he wrote

1:17:30

there, he said, the most important thing of

1:17:32

why we must stand by Joe Biden is

1:17:34

being a good debater is not the same

1:17:36

thing as being a good president. As a,

1:17:38

wait a second, hold on. He does not

1:17:40

have, he's not running the country. He's not

1:17:42

making decisions. He's obviously being manipulated on a

1:17:44

daily basis. And there are people behind him

1:17:46

and we have a right to know who

1:17:49

those people are. We didn't

1:17:51

vote for an administrative state. The American people, a lot

1:17:53

of people voted for Joe Biden. Okay, did he get

1:17:55

81 million votes? I don't really think so, but whatever.

1:17:57

That point is that she was the one on

1:17:59

the ballot. And yet now we're

1:18:01

supposed to just kind of retreat from that

1:18:03

and act as if this is okay. No,

1:18:05

this is a nation in shame right now

1:18:08

because we look to our president and it's

1:18:10

very similar to by the way for the

1:18:12

10 years that led up to Vladimir Putin,

1:18:15

which was when Boris Yeltsin ran

1:18:17

the post Soviet block in Russia.

1:18:20

And he was like publicly drunk all the

1:18:22

time and Russians were just so ashamed to

1:18:24

see it. And by the way, Russian state

1:18:26

media would cover it up. Like, oh,

1:18:29

no, no, he's not drunk and he's perfectly

1:18:31

fine. It's OK. I mean, it

1:18:33

sounds a little bit cliche, but it is the emperor

1:18:35

that has no clothes. And people are starting to realize

1:18:37

this. And I hate to get weekend that

1:18:39

he's only working six hours a day. He can

1:18:41

only work from 10 to four. And after that,

1:18:44

he's done. Well, that's that sundown or something.

1:18:47

Yeah. Oh, if

1:18:49

even that. And again, so this is

1:18:51

opening people's eyes to how the government

1:18:53

actually works, which is the presidency under

1:18:55

Joe Biden has become basically a photo

1:18:58

op. You know, wake up, go take

1:19:00

a picture with the people who won the spelling bee, go

1:19:03

have some ice cream, you know, maybe

1:19:05

do a national security briefing so you're not totally out

1:19:07

of the loop and go take a nap and you're

1:19:09

done. Where the real power

1:19:11

is, is it Jake Sullivan? Is he running

1:19:13

the government? We don't is I

1:19:15

don't think Kamala Harris is running the government. Merrick

1:19:18

Garland. And this is one of the reasons why we're

1:19:20

seeing, you know, Steve Bannon go to federal prison and

1:19:22

we're seeing Peter Navarro go to federal prison. Dad

1:19:25

is not home. She have

1:19:27

all these really bad people that

1:19:29

basically are ungoverned within the government

1:19:31

that have these like lifelong ambitions

1:19:33

and they're going after him, whether

1:19:35

it be in this representative Ro Khanna

1:19:37

of California. He's an official Biden surrogate. He

1:19:39

said to the New York Times this weekend,

1:19:42

quote, we have a great

1:19:44

team of people that will help govern.

1:19:46

That's it. No, that's that's the

1:19:48

whole thing. Case for this is a this

1:19:50

is this is so this is profound, though.

1:19:53

I have right here the Constitution of the United States of

1:19:55

America. And it is very clear the

1:19:57

form and the structure that we're supposed to live under.

1:20:00

And the form and the structure is

1:20:02

that there is a president, not an

1:20:04

administrative state, that makes decisions. Now, you

1:20:06

have a presidency and people around you

1:20:08

that counsel it, but that final decision,

1:20:10

that final thing is a sign of

1:20:12

a human being. I sign it,

1:20:14

and I veto the bill. I sign it, and

1:20:16

it becomes an executive order. The form

1:20:19

and the structure of government post Woodrow

1:20:21

Wilson is governance by experts.

1:20:23

Think about how often, Meghan, have we heard,

1:20:25

trust the experts, trust the experts. COVID was

1:20:27

a perfect example of this, where you had

1:20:30

a shadow government that was basically calling the

1:20:32

shots that usurped some of the authority of

1:20:34

Donald Trump. How often did you hear in

1:20:36

the Donald Trump presidency, we're not going to

1:20:38

follow those executive orders. We're going to take

1:20:40

stuff off of his desk because we are

1:20:43

the sovereign. And now you are seeing this

1:20:45

play out. And that is why as long

1:20:47

as they can keep Joe Biden with a

1:20:49

heartbeat, they think they can continue to run

1:20:51

the government. And I hope it is an

1:20:53

eye-opening experience for people that this means that

1:20:56

your elections are not actually voting for an

1:20:58

individual or a person to run the country.

1:21:00

There is a shadow deep state, dare

1:21:02

I call it a Leviathan, that is

1:21:05

actually the power center. And

1:21:07

when Donald Trump called it the deep

1:21:09

state, that's exactly what it is. The

1:21:11

CIA, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Department

1:21:13

of Justice, the Department of Labor, the

1:21:15

Department of Education, this middle band bureaucracy,

1:21:17

that is actually where the power lies.

1:21:20

And Joe Biden is just a

1:21:22

temporary figurehead being puppeteered. Oh

1:21:25

my God, just as we're speaking, Charlie,

1:21:27

this breaking from NBC News, Steve

1:21:29

Bannon has arrived to report to prison

1:21:32

at Danbury, Connecticut. Supporters

1:21:34

standing outside of the prison chanted his name

1:21:37

upon arrival. This

1:21:39

administration is imprisoning

1:21:42

its enemies, propping

1:21:44

up a man in the presidency

1:21:46

who's not actually president, even the

1:21:48

six hours he pretends to be,

1:21:50

and asking us to give

1:21:52

him another seven months in office and

1:21:55

then another four years. It

1:21:58

is so outrageous, Megan. I

1:22:00

mean, I think this makes an

1:22:03

unpatriotic. Oh, it's so evil. This

1:22:05

is so anti-American. This is

1:22:07

repugnant. By the way, your interview Steve Bannon

1:22:09

was awesome. And I was so great because

1:22:11

I know I know that he has not

1:22:13

always been kind to you. And I thought

1:22:15

it was just so classy the way you

1:22:18

did it, that there are things that transcend,

1:22:20

you know, public disputes. I just

1:22:22

want to give you credit for I saw that

1:22:24

I had such respect for you, because he's he

1:22:27

again, he has his own style. However, there

1:22:29

is a principle that is being violated here.

1:22:31

Right? No, it's very important. And you know,

1:22:33

Steve Bannon has his own style. And I

1:22:35

was just doing a live stream with him

1:22:37

last evening. And if you

1:22:39

are willing to sacrifice all

1:22:41

of your principles, and all

1:22:43

of the American principles just to put

1:22:45

Donald Trump in jail, or Steve Bannon

1:22:48

in jail, then you must be defeated.

1:22:51

I call it the Trump test, which is

1:22:53

this, are this is the Trump test. And

1:22:55

by the way, I have what I call

1:22:57

the Biden test, and almost every conservative I

1:22:59

know passes this is, are you willing to

1:23:01

have Donald Trump become president?

1:23:04

If that means you will not lie, steal,

1:23:07

cheat, or do illegal things? And

1:23:09

if your answer is no, then

1:23:12

I know what I'm dealing with. And by the way, most

1:23:14

Democrats, their answer is no, I will not

1:23:17

let him be president. And

1:23:19

I will do illegal, unconstitutional and

1:23:21

evil things. Steve Bannon is

1:23:23

going to federal prison. Yes, that's

1:23:25

right. Steve Bannon is going to federal prison

1:23:28

for a misdemeanor, a misdemeanor

1:23:31

that we have not seen this

1:23:33

since the house committee. Why isn't

1:23:35

Eric Holder in jail? Eric Holder

1:23:37

is making millions of dollars working

1:23:41

with law firms. And so the, the,

1:23:43

the crux and the essence of what we're seeing

1:23:46

with the Steve Bannon thing. And we saw this

1:23:48

happen with the debate a couple of days ago,

1:23:50

you have an illegitimate regime. And

1:23:52

I think this makes the Steve Bannon thing look

1:23:54

even worse, that they

1:23:56

cannot prop up five or six

1:23:59

sentences together. and one

1:24:01

of the top broadcasters and podcasters that

1:24:06

is building an opposition movement. We're gonna go

1:24:08

put him in federal prison for 123 days

1:24:12

in the midst of the presidential election,

1:24:14

the man who was the senior advisor to

1:24:16

Donald Trump back in the 2016 race, and

1:24:20

really got him on that populist nationalist direction.

1:24:23

In this audience, everyone listen to this, you

1:24:25

might hate Steve Bannon, hate Donald Trump. This

1:24:27

is so evil what they are

1:24:30

doing, we have never seen it in

1:24:32

American history, ever. They are

1:24:34

able to justify their behavior

1:24:38

because they think that Bannon and Trump are

1:24:40

such a threat to the country. We used

1:24:42

to settle this stuff just through elections, but

1:24:44

they believe that elections are no longer determinative,

1:24:46

so much for the party of democracy. Speaking

1:24:50

of evil, Chuck

1:24:52

Schumer just used the word treason

1:24:56

in response to the Supreme Court's decision today.

1:24:58

How dare he? He already endangered the Supreme

1:25:00

Court justices lives. We predicted it, Megan, right?

1:25:03

And now he's coming after the president's lie,

1:25:05

the former president and the leading in

1:25:07

a political decision. Of course, yes. Senate Majority

1:25:09

Leader Chuck Schumer on X,

1:25:11

quote, this is a sad

1:25:13

day for America and a sad day for our

1:25:15

democracy. Treason or

1:25:18

incitement of an insurrection, neither one

1:25:20

of those is charged, should

1:25:23

not be considered a core constitutional

1:25:25

power afforded to a president. You're

1:25:27

disgusting. Neither one of those was

1:25:29

charged by the most rabid partisan

1:25:32

prosecutor, Merrick Garland could find to

1:25:34

bring this case. Not

1:25:36

incitement of an insurrection, not treason.

1:25:38

And one of those is a

1:25:41

death penalty charge. That

1:25:43

is disgusting, endangering, and

1:25:45

honestly par for the course for this guy now.

1:25:47

I hope he doesn't get too used to being

1:25:49

Senate Majority Leader. Because honestly, if they run this

1:25:51

guy, against President Trump here,

1:25:54

there's a real chance we're looking as Biden was saying,

1:25:56

as Bannon was saying, you could have 55

1:25:58

on the Republican side, maybe more. I

1:26:00

mean, it will be a sweep. I

1:26:04

hope so, Megan. I mean, these are vile

1:26:06

people and this is not Republican versus Democrat

1:26:09

anymore. This is not conservative or liberal. It's

1:26:11

what are you willing to destroy to destroy

1:26:13

Trump? And that is the question. That

1:26:16

is the Trump test. What are you willing

1:26:18

to break and damage and

1:26:20

destroy just so that you destroy Donald

1:26:22

Trump? And the answer is they're willing

1:26:24

to destroy this, the US Constitution. They've

1:26:27

never had reverence for it, by the way. They're

1:26:30

willing to just go scorched earth on

1:26:32

the entire civilization. All of it are

1:26:34

the customs of rule of law, separation

1:26:36

of powers, consent to the governed. And

1:26:39

it really makes you wonder why. Is it because

1:26:41

of Donald Trump's tone or because of his former

1:26:43

tweets? No, no, no, no. It's

1:26:45

because of Donald Trump's viewpoint and

1:26:48

he brings a population of the

1:26:50

people, a population of

1:26:52

people into the political equation that are

1:26:54

not supposed to have a say in

1:26:56

important matters. The American people

1:26:59

that Donald Trump represents, which

1:27:01

are the heartland, the flyover country,

1:27:03

the forgotten man and woman, the

1:27:05

muscular class, they have been

1:27:07

factored out of the American

1:27:10

political equation for the last couple of decades.

1:27:12

Donald Trump brought them back in and that

1:27:15

is why they hate him. That's why they

1:27:17

hate Bannon. And there is nothing they will

1:27:19

not do. And God forbid, Meghan, I'm telling

1:27:21

you, they are going to try and assassinate

1:27:23

Donald Trump. I hate thinking like this. I

1:27:25

hate even saying it out loud. I hope

1:27:27

saying it out loud makes it less likely.

1:27:30

But look, we had from Julius Caesar to

1:27:32

Abraham Lincoln to Bobby Kennedy to JFK to

1:27:34

Martin Luther King to Malcolm X, the attempted

1:27:36

assassination of Ronald Reagan, the attempted assassination of

1:27:39

Gerald Ford. We have lived through a lot

1:27:41

of this in American history and we haven't

1:27:43

had it in the last couple of decades

1:27:45

and we have like lost the memory on

1:27:48

it. But what do they have left? They've

1:27:50

lost at the Supreme Court. They lost at the

1:27:52

debate. We need to pray for

1:27:55

his safety because we are about to enter

1:27:57

a very tumultuous and God forbid dark chapter

1:27:59

in American history. history. Completely agree

1:28:01

with you. I do pray for safety. I

1:28:03

know my audience does too. It's getting, and

1:28:05

this is just too hot. This is, they

1:28:07

need to dial it back. It's too much.

1:28:11

But they're calling people traitors, Megan.

1:28:13

Right. That's

1:28:15

just, it's insane. And basically you're calling

1:28:18

the six Supreme court justices enablers

1:28:20

of treason too. So what's the, of

1:28:22

course they are. That's Chuck Schumer's favorite

1:28:24

thing to do. No,

1:28:27

you are, you are going to see in July

1:28:29

and August when it reality really sets in and

1:28:32

the new tracking polls come and these Supreme

1:28:34

court decisions start to go into effect. I

1:28:37

mean, you're going to see stuff from the American left that will make

1:28:40

what happened during Florida, Palooza and COVID look like child's play. I

1:28:42

don't know what that looks like, but do you think that they're

1:28:44

just going to hand the keys over to Donald Trump? You've

1:28:47

been saying on the electoral front, like hold your horses, people who

1:28:50

are saying it's a lock and I'm not saying it's a lock.

1:28:52

It's a, you know, I'm quoting what Bannon was saying that if

1:28:54

they stick with Biden and they don't replace him, I'm

1:28:57

far more skeptical. Yeah. You're far

1:28:59

more. So talk about that for a minute. Yeah.

1:29:02

I think it's a lot tighter than people realize.

1:29:04

I mean, I believe that Georgia, Arizona, Nevada generally

1:29:06

look good. Needed to win one of the blue

1:29:08

wall States. Joe Biden is still going to have

1:29:10

a treasure chest. He's going to deploy a bunch

1:29:12

of resources. If it's close, they're going to do

1:29:14

a lot of the shenanigans of 2020. And

1:29:17

again, this is going to be within the margin of error.

1:29:20

And if people think that

1:29:22

the election was won just because of a

1:29:24

favorable debate, you're wrong. That's not

1:29:26

the way this works at all. We

1:29:28

need to have, as we talked

1:29:30

about on this program before, a

1:29:32

ballot chasing operation, voter registration. Democrats

1:29:34

are going to be incredibly desperate

1:29:37

in how they actually run and conduct these

1:29:39

elections. I reject all these calls.

1:29:41

Oh, it's going to be a landslide. Oh,

1:29:43

it's going to be a red wave. Oh,

1:29:45

I'd like to congratulate Donald Trump on getting

1:29:47

reelected. All that is complete nonsense. These are

1:29:50

people that they're, remember what I said, Pelosi

1:29:52

and Schumer, their whole life is holding onto

1:29:54

political power. And the one thing that disrupted

1:29:56

it the most is when Donald Trump ran

1:29:58

for the presidency. You think they're just going

1:30:00

to hand the keys back to the White

1:30:02

House and say, well, you're up in the

1:30:04

polls and you had a good debate. Here

1:30:06

you go, Donald Trump. Here's the keys back

1:30:08

to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Yeah, right. You

1:30:11

have just begun to see the desperate

1:30:13

active measures from this regime. What that

1:30:15

looks like, I have no idea, but

1:30:17

be prepared. Be paranoid even and be

1:30:20

vigilant. Here's Aaron Ruppar

1:30:22

who worked for Vox before tweeting,

1:30:24

if President Biden declared today's

1:30:26

Supreme Court ruling to

1:30:29

be an assault on democracy

1:30:31

and ordered Chief Justice John

1:30:33

Roberts imprisoned indefinitely. Would

1:30:35

that be an official act? And then of course

1:30:38

there's Keith Olbermann again. Hey, what the hell? Let's

1:30:40

find out. Now these are the most extreme voices

1:30:42

of the left. These aren't normal lefties, but it

1:30:44

just shows you the level of vitriol. They're fine

1:30:47

with the word police. They're fine with this level

1:30:49

of vitriol. I do want to get back to

1:30:51

a couple of points from that Mika Brzezinski monologue

1:30:53

this morning because it's straight out of the White

1:30:56

House. Trust me, when she went on there for

1:30:58

15 minutes, it was spoon fed to

1:31:00

her by the White House. So this is

1:31:02

their defense. You know, we went through his

1:31:05

sparkles back. He didn't forget to sparkle once

1:31:07

he left the debate stage and his schedule

1:31:09

and his long trips and his state dinner

1:31:11

and his Hunter, Hunter Biden's conviction and no

1:31:13

pardon. That's what left him

1:31:16

stressed out to stressed out to debate.

1:31:18

And now we get to don't

1:31:21

forget with age comes wisdom. Asat

1:31:23

seven. Like

1:31:25

many, I want to know, was

1:31:28

this a one off episode or

1:31:30

a sign of what's to come? Can

1:31:33

his team and the president himself

1:31:35

move forward with more discipline and

1:31:37

also manage the fact that

1:31:40

he's 81 ages wisdom

1:31:43

and experience that in the case

1:31:45

of Joe Biden leads to more

1:31:48

bipartisan legislation passed than any president

1:31:50

over the past few generations. So

1:31:54

age is a plus, but unless you're named Donald

1:31:56

Trump and then it's not. And

1:31:58

here's the, here's the follow up. Okay, he's

1:32:01

the comeback kid. It ain't over till

1:32:03

it's over. Now that is their new arc. Right.

1:32:07

New Jersey governor, that's going to be their new

1:32:09

Democrat introduced him as the comeback kid. And now

1:32:11

they're pushing this narrative of he's done it his

1:32:13

whole life. I don't know anybody who's come back

1:32:15

from old age. I don't think that's how that

1:32:17

works. But take a listen to the messaging on

1:32:20

this side. I

1:32:22

don't think it's over. This

1:32:26

moment in the race fits the

1:32:28

entire narrative of Joe Biden's life

1:32:31

in his personal and professional life.

1:32:34

Biden has repeatedly risen up

1:32:36

from rock bottom. It's

1:32:39

what we love about him. And

1:32:42

she went through Charlie to list his

1:32:44

wife died and his son died

1:32:47

or his daughter. He had

1:32:49

an aneurysm. He got caught in

1:32:51

like a plagiarism scandal or whatever

1:32:54

he. Oh, God,

1:32:56

she went through all the examples of it was of

1:32:59

all the Obama endorsed Hillary instead

1:33:01

of Joe Biden. Poor Joe Biden.

1:33:03

She did a destitution derby history

1:33:06

of Joe Biden's career to

1:33:08

convince us he somehow is

1:33:11

going to defy the aging

1:33:13

and dementia process. Unlike every

1:33:15

other human to ever walk the earth

1:33:18

before him. Okay. It's amazing

1:33:20

how the the analogies don't

1:33:22

work and yet they continue spoon feeding them

1:33:24

to us. And the real

1:33:26

question is are Democrat donors that dumb are

1:33:29

independent donors that dumb dumb

1:33:33

maybe or not. I know a lot of Democrat

1:33:35

donors are freaking out. They hate Trump that

1:33:37

much and the smart ones are going to keep

1:33:39

on asking questions. And look, I mean, here's

1:33:41

what I do. Here's what I have failed. Understand

1:33:44

is that there are private dinners you have with Joe

1:33:46

Biden. Do you not see right through this? And

1:33:49

now you just had on a broad display.

1:33:51

So here's what's very important is that presidential

1:33:54

debates are the opposite of football games. Presidential

1:33:56

debates begin with very, very high viewership and

1:33:58

it goes down dramatically. 15

1:34:00

or 20 minutes. Exactly what you talked about, Megan,

1:34:02

at Fox, right? But 15 minutes is all I

1:34:04

can handle. That's it. So 50 million

1:34:06

people watch the debate. That's a pretty good

1:34:08

number, right? It's not Super Bowl levels, but

1:34:11

it's 50 million. Okay. So the first 15

1:34:13

minutes is the chunk of that 50 million.

1:34:15

That's when Joe Biden was at his worst.

1:34:18

I mean, he actually in some ways was not

1:34:20

as bad towards the end of debate as he

1:34:22

was at the beginning of the debate. So how

1:34:24

they're going to recover, that's now tattooed into the

1:34:26

memory of the American people. And it's

1:34:28

going to require not just a lot of

1:34:30

work, but not to mention you have an

1:34:33

attack dog of an opposition candidate that is

1:34:35

not going to let you forget it. You're

1:34:37

not just running up against Mitt Romney here.

1:34:39

You're running against Donald Trump, who commands all

1:34:41

of the attention, who commands all of the

1:34:43

eyeballs with a motivated base, who's increasingly winning

1:34:46

with independent swing voters. And so if

1:34:48

they want to double and triple down on running with Joe

1:34:50

Biden, so be it, whether or

1:34:52

not they're dumb, they are desperate and

1:34:54

they do not know which direction to

1:34:56

turn to. And Jill and Joe Biden

1:34:58

are white knuckling onto power regardless

1:35:00

what the polls or what some

1:35:02

other people are telling them. The

1:35:05

Washington Post has a piece talking

1:35:07

about how, sorry, this is the

1:35:09

Wall Street Journal about how European

1:35:11

officials, world leaders have been privately

1:35:13

remarking on president Biden's deterioration for

1:35:16

months. The Democrats have been ignoring

1:35:18

those warnings, European officials expressing worries

1:35:20

in private, noting a

1:35:22

noticeable deterioration in the president's faculties

1:35:25

at the G seven. Same thing. He didn't

1:35:27

attend the critical behind the scenes meetings. He

1:35:30

struggled to follow the discussions. He, our own

1:35:32

president couldn't follow what was being said at

1:35:34

the G seven. Maybe Jill Biden should have

1:35:36

gone in his stead on and

1:35:39

on the anniversary of D day where he

1:35:41

struggled. I could keep going

1:35:43

at the Atlanta journal constitution saying it's

1:35:45

time for him to pass the torch

1:35:47

and responding to Kamala Harris saying he

1:35:50

should be evaluated on the totality of

1:35:52

his presidency. Not one night that's Jill

1:35:54

Biden's message to and Obama's message that

1:35:56

bad debate nights happen. Quote, these responses

1:35:59

are insulting. to the American

1:36:01

people. They know better. And so

1:36:03

what is likely to happen now, Charlie? Do

1:36:05

you think Joe Biden will be forced out?

1:36:07

And if so, when? I

1:36:11

don't, at this point it's a 50-50 shot, but

1:36:13

I think that, I think they're gonna stick with Joe

1:36:16

because it's such a messy process. The

1:36:18

only way that Joe gets removed is

1:36:21

if Barack Obama privately comes to Joe and

1:36:23

says you're done. That's the

1:36:25

only way. He is basically the Pope of

1:36:27

the Democrat party. What he says goes, he's

1:36:29

the most popular, the most powerful. He built

1:36:31

an entire deep state within the government that

1:36:34

is loyal to him. The only

1:36:36

way that Joe goes is if Joe says

1:36:38

I'm done. There really is no

1:36:40

other process at the convention to do that. These delegates

1:36:42

are bound to him. When they

1:36:44

meet in Chicago, they're

1:36:47

not able just to kind of jump ship, but

1:36:49

that is gonna be one eventful convention for

1:36:51

more reasons than one, by the way, in

1:36:54

Chicago. And again, everyone thought that all

1:36:56

the drama would be on the Republican

1:36:58

side. Trump facing law fair. Trump with

1:37:01

a bitter primary. Trump after January 6th.

1:37:03

It's a great time to be a

1:37:06

Republican right now. We've never been more

1:37:08

unified. We've kind of never been more

1:37:10

determined on our mission. The Democrats are

1:37:12

in complete panic mode and disarray. The

1:37:14

walls are closing in, as they would

1:37:16

say, at MSNBC. Good

1:37:18

luck to those who wanna imprison Supreme

1:37:20

Court justices, including the Chief Justice. We'll

1:37:22

see how that helps your electoral chances,

1:37:24

Charlie. That's right. Thank you. What a

1:37:26

day. Thanks for being here.

1:37:29

Thank you. All right, don't forget, go buy his

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1:37:37

gonna have a deep dive for you on this