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is advised. 911

1:29

What is the address of your emergency?

1:33

One seventy eight second

1:35

and fourth. 178

1:37

second Avenue North? Yes. Okay.

1:40

What's the phone number you're calling from? I

1:44

don't wanna get it. Okay.

1:46

What's your name? Brian. Brian,

1:50

what's going on there? Three rounds

1:52

of gunshots outside the building.

1:58

First about seven or eight minutes

2:00

ago, and then got about

2:02

five minutes ago. And then

2:04

four of the shots on. Three. I

2:07

can't tell it. Okay. It's

2:10

a it's a four story building.

2:12

Four story building? Okay. Okay.

2:14

Did you see or hear anything else? No.

2:18

They're in the building. Do

2:20

you wanna talk to doctors when they come

2:22

out? No. I'm

2:24

too scared to pick up the apartment.

2:27

On Christmas morning, two thousand

2:29

and twenty, The disturbing nine eleven

2:32

call made to the Nashville dispatch center

2:34

would be only one of many heard by Brandon

2:36

Hall's team that day. I thought

2:39

I'd seen and encountered just about

2:41

everything. And I was just walking in for

2:43

a normal Christmas at work, which is

2:45

a shift that I don't mind working because

2:48

it is so slow. But literally

2:50

the second that my shift

2:51

started, all hell broke loose and

2:54

you know, that's one of the incidents that

2:56

I'll remember for the rest of my life.

2:58

Join me now as we take

3:01

a look at a terrifying event

3:03

that shook the downtown core of Nashville,

3:05

Tennessee. You'll hear how what

3:07

was supposed to be a peaceful and joyful

3:09

day was interrupted by one of

3:12

the most bizarre eerie sets of events

3:14

we've ever covered with brave

3:16

men and women in uniform risking

3:18

their lives to prevent mass casualties

3:21

leading some Nashville residents to

3:24

call it a Christmas miracle. Since

3:35

the nineteen fifties, Nashville

3:37

has been referred to us, Music

3:39

City USA, a cultural

3:42

and artistic hub for the music recording

3:44

industry. But over the past

3:46

few decades, it's also become

3:48

known as a veritable boom town becoming

3:51

home to a slew of fortune five

3:53

hundred headquarters. In fact,

3:55

just last year, Nashville was ranked

3:57

America's number one city for economic

3:59

growth. ENDAS is true with most

4:02

cities. Nobody knows a city

4:04

quite like a lifelong

4:05

local, which is just

4:07

one of the reasons we spoke with Brandon

4:09

Hall. A Nashville resident

4:11

nine eleven dispatcher and

4:13

the host of the True Crime Podcast, Music

4:16

City nine eleven. So

4:19

I was actually born in Nashville, and I've been

4:21

either in or around Nashville. My

4:23

entire life never left the state of Tennessee.

4:26

And Nashville itself has grown

4:28

and flourished. The time I've been here,

4:30

it was a still a decent

4:33

sized city when I was born,

4:35

but in the past ten or so years, it's

4:37

just really grown. And

4:39

I am a twenty two year dispatcher

4:42

for Metro National Police Fire and Medical,

4:44

the Department of Emergency Communications.

4:47

And I was actually dispatcher on

4:49

duty the day this happened.

4:58

It was early missed this morning in two

5:00

thousand and twenty just before sunrise

5:03

as Brandon Hall prepared to make his way

5:05

into work. And although he'd been trained

5:07

for a day just like the one that was about

5:10

to

5:10

unfold, nothing could have prepared

5:12

him for the bizarre nature of it

5:14

all. So as I'm

5:16

coming into work, my normal shift starts

5:19

at six thirty. I'm walking in

5:21

and once I get inside the building,

5:23

which is a very large communications

5:25

building. I'm walking in and there's a lot of people

5:27

up walking around, and they

5:29

seem little bit more animated than normal.

5:31

Usually, when I walk into the to work, most

5:33

people are sat at their desk and they're

5:36

just slowly taking phone calls and then Christmas

5:38

days I've worked in the past. They

5:40

were just sitting in very, very

5:42

quiet because no one was on the call. No

5:45

one was calling us for help that early in the morning.

5:47

But everybody this morning was

5:49

up walking around because there was

5:52

something going

5:52

on. At the time, I didn't know what it was.

5:55

Brandon would sooner that for

5:57

the past hour, one of the most

6:00

unusual series of events in the history

6:02

of the city had been playing out,

6:04

and it all started around five thirty

6:06

that morning when nine eleven

6:09

calls began pouring

6:10

in, reporting a series of

6:12

gunshots in the downtown area.

6:15

That's your national 911 What is the address

6:17

of your emergency?

6:18

166 Second

6:20

Avenue North. What's your

6:22

name?

6:22

My name is Kim. We're hearing gunshots

6:25

on the street.

6:26

How many shots did you hear? We've heard

6:28

it happen three times now, and each

6:30

time, it sounds like it's six or seven shots.

6:33

And it happened, like, it happened.

6:35

And then, like, thirty minutes later, it happened.

6:37

And then, again,

6:38

like, twenty minutes later, it happened. Oh, yeah.

6:40

Has somebody else already called?

6:42

Yes. Someone else called. We do have

6:44

officers that actually wants outside

6:46

the building.

6:46

Yeah. I hear somebody out there right now. Thank you

6:48

so much. No

6:49

problem. You have a good day.

6:50

Okay. Bye.

6:51

When caller claimed hearing shots fired

6:54

inside a building at a hundred and seventy

6:56

eight second avenue, right in the heart

6:58

of Music City. The

7:00

downtown area, especially, is

7:03

one of the most popular areas. The

7:05

main drag is called Broadway, and

7:08

that's where you'll have all the night

7:10

clubs and honky tonks and live

7:13

music, and just off of that

7:15

is Second Avenue, which

7:17

runs north and south. And

7:19

there are continuation of that same

7:21

type of Nashville Music City

7:23

vibe that goes up second Avenue as well.

7:26

For a few blocks. So

7:28

on Second Avenue, as you're

7:30

going up from Broadway, almost all

7:32

buildings through there have been mixed

7:34

use for a long time. You've

7:36

got downstairs. You'll have the

7:38

nightclubs or some

7:41

restaurants. And most of these places

7:43

are anywhere from two to four stories

7:45

tall. Back a long time

7:47

ago, the upstairs portion of these places

7:49

were just used for storage pretty much.

7:52

But now they have converted most of them into

7:54

kinda flats and larger studio

7:57

apartments sometimes into multiple

7:59

bedroom apartments and it just

8:01

really kind of molded over over the years into

8:03

a residential area on the the top

8:06

floors of these places. Metro

8:08

Nashville police officer Tyler Lewellen

8:11

was the first to arrive on scene and

8:13

immediately began investigating, checking

8:16

the bottom floor of the building, which

8:18

at the time was liquor store. He

8:20

saw no indication of shots being

8:22

fired, no shell casings, no

8:25

bullet holes, and didn't hear anything

8:27

either. The street itself was

8:29

quiet, only a row of cars and

8:32

rather large RV, a thorough

8:34

motor coach parked along the curb.

8:37

But there wasn't anything terribly alarming

8:39

about that. Seeing out of towners

8:41

visiting in their Harvey's for the holidays, was

8:44

pretty typical for that time of year.

8:47

In order to gain access to the upper

8:49

stories of the building, officer

8:51

Luwellan needed an access code which

8:53

she was waiting for to receive from dispatch.

8:56

In the meantime, officer Brenna

8:58

Josey arrived on the scene to provide

9:00

backup, which is when everything

9:03

suddenly got weird. The

9:13

chilling message being played from an unseen

9:15

speaker system was unlike

9:17

anything the two officers had ever

9:19

experienced with each of them

9:21

doing it. Double take, checking to

9:24

make sure they were really hearing what

9:26

they thought they were hearing. A

9:28

warning message coming from the

9:30

RV officer Lavelin had noticed

9:32

earlier, parked approximately one

9:34

hundred and fifty feet away from the entrance

9:37

to the building at one seventy eight Second

9:39

Avenue. The recording blared

9:42

over and over coming from

9:44

a PA

9:44

system. Apparently within

9:46

the vehicle itself. 911

9:49

what is the address of your emergency? It's

9:51

Second Avenue North, we have had a recording

9:53

out here saying there's a limited time to evacuate

9:55

this area. On one on second

9:58

Avenue North in downtown Nashville, is that

10:00

you guys second episode longer

10:02

than second. There's recording

10:04

out there that's saying there's a limited time to evacuate

10:06

this area. There's a large bomb

10:08

inside this vehicle. Let

10:12

me check and see what we got. Please send the police

10:14

up

10:14

here. Meanwhile,

10:16

I'm getting dressed. Can you please send the police up

10:18

here? We definitely need to keep

10:20

you in the second Avenue North. It looks like

10:22

we have them right now at the port. Okay.

10:25

The we do have officers who are out there,

10:27

like, right near one seventy eight. Which

10:29

is right. Right. Are they recording anything about

10:32

this recording that we're here? We got,

10:34

like, a call about shots

10:36

being heard. Yeah. Shocksmith. No. There's a

10:39

there's a there's a there's a there's a there's

10:41

a limited time to evacuate this area.

10:43

There's a large box the vehicle that

10:45

is playing over and over and over outside.

10:47

Gotcha. And I was just concerned that the police

10:50

car is saying that. Yeah. Well,

10:52

I don't see anything in this call, but they are out

10:54

there, so I don't know -- Okay. -- I'm having

10:56

some questions. I'm gonna look out the window. Do

10:58

you want to speak to an officer? No.

11:01

No. No. I'm just gonna get dressed real quick.

11:03

Okay. Alright. Christmas. Bye.

11:07

The creepy and alarming recording was

11:09

an automated female voice repeating

11:12

the same warning over and over again.

11:16

This area must be evacuated now.

11:18

If you can hear this message, evacuate

11:21

now. Stay clear of the vehicle.

11:24

Do not approach this vehicle. Your

11:26

primary objective is to evaluate these

11:28

buildings now.

11:31

Officer Luellen grabbed his radio

11:34

calling in the cavalry and asking for

11:36

more officers to be dispatched immediately.

11:39

Four more quickly arrived. Turning

11:41

their attention to the source of the mysterious

11:44

message, the officer began inspecting

11:46

the RV from the outside but

11:49

all the blinds were drawn, preventing

11:51

them from peering inside. While

11:54

they noticed there was no license plate

11:56

visible on the vehicle, officer

11:58

James Wells noticed something

12:01

else very

12:02

strange. It appeared someone

12:05

might be watching them. Got

12:08

the hangover part and they got the rearview mirror

12:10

here, the camera set in between next.

12:19

Operating under the assumption that

12:21

the bomb threat coming from the RV was

12:23

a hundred percent real. The

12:25

six officers at the scene immediately

12:28

went into overdrive. Some

12:30

cordoned off the area with the vehicles, ensuring

12:33

no cars of foot traffic came anywhere

12:35

near the threat, while the others raced

12:38

into the second avenue building knocking

12:40

on doors and evacuating anyone

12:42

from the apartments on the upper floors.

12:45

Then suddenly, the message

12:47

being broadcast from the RV

12:50

changed. Now the computer

12:52

generated female voice started announcing.

12:55

Fourteen minutes until Indonesia. It

12:58

then began replying the same looped

13:00

evacuation warnings with

13:02

it changing back again every few

13:04

minutes to the announcement of the time

13:06

remaining. Fourteen minutes until

13:08

detonation. For police,

13:11

evacuating the area had become a

13:13

literal race against the clock. Not

13:16

knowing which of the apartments were occupied,

13:18

or even which ones were residential. The

13:21

officers only was to

13:23

announce their presence at every single door.

13:26

In hopes of getting everyone cleared out

13:28

safely through the rear side of the buildings

13:30

on First Avenue, All in

13:32

all, police officers were able

13:34

to successfully evacuate people from

13:37

six or seven apartments. Others

13:39

had already left on their own. After

13:41

hearing the disturbing warning from the RV,

13:44

in one apartment, police helped

13:46

evacuate a mother with four small children.

13:49

Body cam footage with later show officers

13:52

discovering a homeless man asleep

13:54

in one of the buildings atriums. So

13:56

you're going to make anything wrong but

14:00

there's And

14:05

then when everything seemed like

14:07

it couldn't possibly get in be more

14:09

strange. Somehow it did.

14:12

The recording changed once again.

14:15

This time being played over the speaker was

14:18

a clip from the famous nineteen

14:20

sixty four hit downtown by

14:23

Patula Clark. And upbeat

14:25

song overtly brimming with positivity,

14:28

an incredibly jarring juxtaposition

14:31

against the unnerving backdrop

14:33

of the imminent bomb threat. After

14:36

the brief musical interlude, the

14:39

recording switched back again to its

14:41

repeated warnings. And

14:43

the ever present countdown to detonation

14:46

was now getting closer and closer

14:48

to zero. Five

14:49

minutes until detonation.

14:52

This had to be an incredibly tense

14:55

situation for all the officers

14:57

involved, even so.

15:00

The surreal nature and utter peculiarity

15:02

of what was happening wasn't

15:05

lost on them. That's so rude.

15:07

That's how I set up a movie.

15:08

Like, carriage. Yeah. You

15:11

don't have to wait until.

15:14

Once the apartments closest to the RV

15:16

were emptied, officers began

15:18

spreading out, continuing to

15:20

pound on doors and clearing out other buildings

15:22

nearby. While patrolling

15:25

the area officer pointed

15:27

out the significance

15:28

of a building the RV was parked

15:30

directly in front of. It's

15:33

just a brick building looks

15:35

like it's it's solid brick from top to bottom.

15:37

No Wondery, and there's no

15:40

markings outside. And this

15:42

building houses most the communications

15:45

for AT and T for the southeast. It's

15:47

a hub and it's one of most important

15:49

buildings for AT and T here in the

15:51

southeastern United States. If you're

15:53

walking up second avenue and

15:56

you're on the side of the street where most

15:58

of the restaurants and night clubs

16:00

and things like that are, you'd probably

16:02

never even look over to the left side of the road

16:04

to see the AT and T building I'm

16:06

talking

16:07

about. If you had anything related

16:09

to AT and T at all, that building

16:12

houses most of the

16:14

southeast phone communications equipment

16:17

there. For the officers

16:19

at the scene, the buildings themselves

16:22

weren't their primary focus. For

16:24

them, their only object was

16:26

to move out all the innocent civilians

16:29

from the area, the same objective

16:31

blaring from the RV.

16:35

And then another countdown

16:37

update was broadcast over the blaring

16:40

speaker. Three minutes until

16:43

then back to the repeated warnings again,

16:46

intermittently interrupted by the song

16:48

Downtown. Evaluating

16:51

now. It was just before six

16:53

thirty AM when Brandon

16:55

walked through the doors of the nine eleven emergency

16:57

dispatch center. A day

16:59

that was supposed to be a quiet

17:01

easy Christmas morning shift, but

17:04

he could tell as soon as he walked in.

17:06

That something big was happening.

17:09

When I walked out the dispatcher that was there,

17:12

I asked him, what's going on. And

17:15

he says, there is

17:17

a RV downtown on

17:19

Second Avenue, It's been playing

17:22

a message for the past

17:24

little while saying there's a bomb about to go

17:26

off and there's been a timer on it.

17:29

And then while I'm standing there

17:31

next to him, he puts his finger

17:33

on his headset and

17:35

he stops talking for a second. And he says,

17:38

and it just blew up. And

17:45

at that point, I said, alright. Go ahead and

17:48

pop up. Let me jump in here and I'll get going with

17:50

it.

18:01

The bomb had detonated at six twenty

18:03

nine AM on second avenue Christmas

18:06

morning, and the explosion was

18:08

enormous. Hurtling debris

18:11

high into the air, a massive

18:13

yellow orange fireball expanding in

18:15

all directions while a huge

18:18

cloud of smoke billowed above the

18:20

skyscrapers that once dominated

18:22

the skyline. The bomb

18:24

had come from the mysterious RV, previously

18:27

blasting the warnings. The

18:30

damage caused looked like a scene from

18:32

an apocalyptic movie with

18:34

the explosion demolishing the entire

18:36

fronts of buildings. Directly across

18:39

from where it had been parked, with

18:41

some buildings not completely off

18:43

their foundations. Nearly

18:45

every single wind out down the entire

18:47

street had been shattered. The shockwave

18:50

from the blast continued through the buildings,

18:53

blowing out most of the windows on the rear

18:55

sides. Raining glass

18:57

down on first Avenue as well.

19:00

In total, about sixty

19:02

five buildings have been damaged

19:04

So once the explosion actually happened,

19:07

the very first thing for

19:09

any of the police officers on the scene,

19:12

us, their dispatch we

19:14

wanted to make sure the officers were safe.

19:16

That's our first thing because they are the

19:18

the people that are there to help everyone

19:21

else. And if they get hurt, then

19:23

there's fewer people there to actually

19:25

help anyone. So immediately after

19:28

the explosion happened, we did what was called

19:30

a roll call. So each one of the

19:32

officers are involved, they had to sound off

19:34

and give their status to make sure

19:36

that they were okay.

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20:47

the time of the explosion, most

20:49

of the officers have been separated from

20:51

each other, leaving them now all

20:53

to wonder which one of them might

20:55

have been injured or even killed

20:57

by the blast. During

21:00

roll call, the six officers on

21:02

the scene collectively held their breaths

21:05

as they listened over the radio to

21:07

find out if everyone was okay. And

21:10

one by one, they all

21:12

called in. By some

21:14

miracle, everyone was alive.

21:17

All of the officers were present and accounted

21:20

for with only few minor injuries

21:22

that could be attended to later, and

21:24

they would have to be because the officers

21:27

still had very important work to do.

21:30

So once the explosion actually happened,

21:33

they said, have the fire department come

21:35

down here, send pretty much everybody

21:38

our code for it is signal ten, which means

21:40

come as fast as you can. We don't

21:42

know the extent of the damage. We don't know how many people

21:44

have been hurt. We don't know how many people have been killed.

21:47

So with that huge of an explosion,

21:50

we don't know a lot of things, but they wanna

21:52

get everybody started in half the block

21:54

is on fire, half the block is demolished, There's

21:57

a lot going into

21:58

this. But there was no time

22:00

to wait

22:00

for the fire department to arrive. Officers

22:03

on the ground needed to take action immediately.

22:07

At this point after happened, you know, a few

22:09

people started coming out of their apartments. They

22:11

were right there one in half, and and they

22:13

started walking down the street asking what happened

22:16

some of homeless population that were still

22:18

pretty close by. They were also

22:21

asking what was going on as well. They didn't know

22:23

other than the explosion they saw

22:25

and heard it. And anyone

22:27

who was down there at the time, Their

22:30

main task at that point is to try to keep

22:32

the area

22:32

clear, remove anybody that's in the

22:34

area, take them out, keep them in a safe

22:36

location away from there.

22:45

As the fire department made its way onto

22:48

the scene, pulling their trucks up to

22:50

the bomb site. They quickly began

22:52

assessing the damage, putting

22:54

out numerous fires that had erupted from

22:56

the home. But almost as

22:58

soon as they get, gunshots

23:01

began to ring out, forcing firefighters

23:03

and police to back up and stay

23:05

clear from the

23:06

area. Anytime that

23:08

we have any type of thing like

23:10

this, once an explosion goes

23:12

off, one of your immediate things you think

23:14

of is a secondary bomb somewhere.

23:17

Sometimes things like this are made

23:19

to draw in responders

23:22

and other people to try to bring them

23:24

in further. And this

23:27

may be a small version of what's

23:29

yet to come. So they may actually

23:31

try to bring some bring all the officers

23:33

in further and a secondary device

23:36

goes on and it kills and or hurts.

23:38

Many more first responders out

23:40

there. So that's something that's

23:42

always on the the officers and

23:45

dispatcher's minds.

23:47

It didn't take long for police to realize

23:50

that the source of the gunshot sounds

23:52

weren't coming from a shooter hoping to

23:54

pick off law enforcement firefighters. Rather,

23:57

the shots were coming from what police referred

24:00

to as ammunition cooking

24:02

off. This happens when live

24:04

ammunition is exposed to extreme heat,

24:07

look at fire, and then randomly

24:09

set off firing in no particular

24:12

or predictable direction. It's

24:14

believed the ammunition being cooked off at

24:16

the bomb site had come from within

24:18

the RV itself And while

24:20

fears of a secondary attack began

24:22

to slowly subside, another

24:25

major problem was brewing. That

24:27

would affect a much larger area

24:29

than just second avenue. Remember

24:32

the Plain Brick building without

24:34

windows or signage that the RV was

24:36

parked in front of? While when the explosion

24:39

ripped through that building specifically, it

24:42

destroyed all the telecom systems inside

24:44

it, creating a virtual blackout

24:47

of AT and T coverage for the entire

24:49

region. So when the this

24:51

actually the bombing actually hit. It

24:53

knocked out communication for most

24:56

of the southeast. Several states were affected

24:58

by this, and it was

25:00

landlines cell phones. If you

25:02

had anything related to AT and T

25:04

at all, it just wasn't working

25:06

for for several days.

25:09

On a normal day, Residents

25:11

even going an hour without their phone

25:13

service would cause

25:14

havoc. Now add a possible

25:16

terrorist attack on top of it,

25:19

911 What's the address that matters at least?

25:22

I don't know what the address says. I work in Scarmo

25:25

Moore in Cincinnati Center, and it was

25:27

close to the AT and

25:28

T. Milton, there's

25:31

a big explosion. 911

25:33

What is the address of your emergency?

25:36

It is at Second Avenue, and I believe

25:38

Church of Commerce Street, there was just a mass explosion

25:41

downtown with a huge fireball. I'm

25:43

at the Encore Apartments on the fifteenth floor,

25:45

just shut all the windows and just

25:47

yeah. Yep. They oh,

25:50

we're getting bunch of calls on it. Yep.

25:52

From there, it was just nonstop

25:55

radio traffic from everywhere.

25:58

It was insane. For

26:00

me, for the actual central

26:03

downtown radio for the

26:05

fire department. It was nonstop

26:07

the rest of the day and for the

26:09

people working the phones as well. You had

26:12

the people who were able to call in.

26:14

A lot of them were calling because they heard the explosion.

26:17

Then later on the day, once the news

26:19

got out, everyone from out of town

26:21

that have that has families here

26:23

in Nashville. They were calling trying

26:25

to check on their families to see if anything

26:28

happened to them because they couldn't get through to them

26:30

because the phone lines were down.

26:35

Fortunately for the dispatch center in

26:37

Nashville, their nine eleven systems

26:40

had redundancies built in, allowing

26:42

them to operate using other wireless

26:44

and broadband surface providers besides

26:47

AT and T, but that wasn't

26:49

the case for all nine eleven dispatchers

26:52

throughout the region. With some smaller

26:54

centers relying solely on AT and

26:57

T, and that was a problem.

26:59

Some of smaller vases all they had was

27:02

AT and T. So their 901 services were

27:04

completely and totally down, went all the way

27:06

from Kentucky, down into Alabama.

27:08

I think Mississippi, Georgia, pieces

27:11

of north and south Carolina, I believe it was

27:14

several states, and they

27:16

had to rely on just

27:18

employee cellphones. So one

27:20

employee would say go on to

27:22

Facebook or a radio station

27:25

or something like this and say the

27:27

the emergency lines are down. This is the phone

27:29

number you have a call now. It's a cell

27:31

phone or they would give out multiple numbers

27:33

sometimes, and that's how they would use

27:35

to communicate with callers.

27:41

When the glass stopped raining down,

27:43

all the fires were put out, and the

27:45

dust finally settled over the bomb

27:48

site. The first question on everyone's

27:50

mind was the same. How many

27:52

casualties were

27:53

there? The answer when I was accounted

27:56

for was amazing. Not a

27:58

single innocent person was killed in

28:00

the bombing, and only three people

28:02

were taken to the hospital to be treated for

28:04

minor noncritical injuries. There

28:07

was no question that the actions of

28:09

the six police officers who took charge

28:11

of the scene that morning had saved

28:13

numerous lives The questions

28:16

then became, what on earth really

28:18

happened here? Who was the bomber?

28:20

And why? Later

28:23

that very same Christmas morning,

28:25

a Nashville woman named Pamela Perry

28:27

turned on her TV and saw

28:29

the breaking news about the bombing.

28:32

The FBI stands with the city of Nashville

28:34

today in this very tragic Christmas

28:37

day event. This is our

28:39

city too. We live here, we work

28:41

here, and we're putting everything we have

28:44

into finding who was responsible for

28:46

what's happened here today. As part

28:48

of doing that, There are investigative

28:50

leads to be pursued. There's also technical

28:53

work that needs to happen, and we're standing

28:55

with metro national police department. Our

28:57

federal partners and our state partners

29:00

to bring every resource we can possibly

29:02

bring to bear to find out what happened here today

29:04

and to bring those responsible to justice. The

29:07

investigative leads, I'm sure you

29:09

Wondery. It's not something that we

29:12

can talk about. As we continue to

29:14

pursue every tip, I would ask the public

29:16

to go to WWW dot

29:18

fbi dot govnational WWW

29:22

dot FBI dot govnational where

29:26

an online tip submission process

29:29

has been set up. Please tell what you

29:31

know. We need your leads, we need your help.

29:33

You can also call one eight hundred, call FBI,

29:36

call in tip information. If you know anything

29:38

about what has happened here today, we'd

29:40

appreciate your help.

29:42

Pamela couldn't believe what she was seeing.

29:45

She recognized the RV being shown in

29:47

the news report. She'd seen it many

29:49

times. But what disturbed her

29:51

most was hearing that Batula

29:53

Clark song downtown had been

29:55

played over the loud speaker coming from

29:57

the RV shortly before the blast.

30:00

At that moment, she knew exactly

30:02

who Bomber was the man

30:05

who played her that same song a

30:07

lot. She knew she needed to

30:09

call the FBI tip line immediately Shortly

30:13

after the explosion, investigators discovered

30:15

pieces of human tissue among the

30:17

heaps of rubble. And was now

30:19

looking like whoever had detonated the

30:21

RV bomb, had indeed been

30:24

inside a suicide bomb. Within

30:27

sixty hours, DNA tests from

30:29

the pieces of tissue recovered came back with

30:31

a result, confirming that the suicide

30:33

bomber was the same man who

30:35

had been reported by police on Christmas

30:37

day by Pamela Perry. Sixty

30:39

three year old, Anthony Quinn Warner.

30:42

But when the identity of bomber was confirmed,

30:45

and broadcasting the media, it only

30:47

raised more questions. Almost all

30:49

of the early reports regarding the bomber's identity

30:51

said the exact same thing that Anthony

30:54

Warner was not on long

30:56

Fortune's radar prior to the Christmas

30:58

bombing. As

31:00

it turned out, that wasn't exactly

31:02

true. And the person who

31:04

knew that most was Pamela

31:07

Perry.

31:09

Pamela first met Tony Warner when

31:11

he was dating her sister back in

31:14

the seventies when he was a teenager.

31:17

Tony had spent nearly his entire life

31:19

in the Nashville area, living in

31:21

the suburb of Antioch, only

31:23

about twelve miles southeast of downtown.

31:26

During high school, his golf coach

31:28

described him as three things. Quiet,

31:31

polite and nerdish, he'd

31:34

later be described as a man in

31:36

love with how smart he was. After

31:39

high school, Tony joined the Navy

31:41

for a two year stint before becoming

31:43

a technician at a local electronic

31:46

security firm After

31:48

getting his feet wet at the new job,

31:51

he branched out on his own, starting

31:53

his own company, becoming an

31:55

ex with electronics, alarms,

31:58

security systems, cameras,

32:00

and even an Avid remote control

32:02

helicopter pilot Basically,

32:05

if it had wires or antennas, Tony

32:07

knew how to use it, knew how to fix

32:09

it, and in most cases, knew

32:12

how to build it. Eventually,

32:14

Tony became a self employed, a tea consultant,

32:17

and had a number of clients around the area

32:20

Most of them speaking very highly of

32:22

them, Wondery, noting that Tony never

32:24

exhibited any behavior that

32:26

was less than professional. As

32:29

time went on, Tony socialized less

32:31

and less and became a virtual recluse.

32:34

One of the only longtime friends that

32:36

has ever been linked to Tony was a man

32:38

he only basically ever talked to on weekends

32:41

when they flew model helicopters together

32:43

at the same park. But the only thing his

32:45

friend ever noticed that was odd about Tony

32:48

was that he was really in the

32:50

aliens and UFO's. And

32:52

even though Tony lived on the same street,

32:54

Around many of the same neighbors for decades,

32:57

he was hardly on a more than a,

32:59

hey, how are you basis with any of

33:01

them. He was quiet, polite,

33:04

and almost always kept to himself. Neighbors

33:07

noticed that Tony was almost always

33:09

tinkering with things on his property. Fiddling

33:12

with the TV antennas on this roof, pressure

33:15

washing this and that, installing security

33:17

cameras, and building ramps for his

33:19

pet dogs. When they got too old to ease the

33:21

stairs at the front of his house. All

33:24

in all, he just seemed like a nice

33:26

guy who loved dogs and like to keep

33:28

himself busy with menial

33:29

tasks. They never heard him once speak

33:32

about politics or religion or

33:34

even saw so much as a political sign

33:36

of this yard. It

33:38

wasn't until two thousand and seventeen

33:41

that Pamela reconnected with Tony,

33:43

her sister, the one who dated him

33:45

back in the seventies had died suddenly

33:48

and unexpectedly. Not

33:50

long after death, Tony

33:52

and Pamela struck up a close friendship

33:54

with Tony coming over often to her house

33:56

to visit. Pretty

34:01

quickly after reconnecting Pamela realized,

34:04

Tony held some pretty unconventional beliefs.

34:07

He'd often ran about aliens. UFO's,

34:10

the moon landing in town nine

34:12

eleven had been an inside

34:15

job. At first, he seemed

34:17

like just a harmless conspiracy enthusiast,

34:20

but by two thousand and nineteen,

34:23

things took a sinister twist.

34:26

the me let it slip to Pamela that he

34:28

was building a bomb, believing that

34:30

he was using his RV as his bomb

34:32

making more shop. Pamela tried to

34:34

get inside it one day to see for herself.

34:37

But Tony prevented her. Then

34:39

he told her that if she told anyone

34:41

about it, you're gonna be sorry.

34:44

Panic, scared, and on the

34:46

brink of an emotional collapse, Pamela

34:49

called her lawyer, Ray Throck Morton,

34:51

and led him a chilling voice mail. In

34:53

the message, she told her attorney

34:56

that she was suicidal, and she told

34:58

him about Tony, in her suspicions

35:00

that he was using his RV to

35:02

build a

35:03

bomb. Raytherock Morton then

35:05

called nine eleven

35:06

Metro Nashville 911 What is the address

35:08

of your emergency? Well, I'm not

35:10

exactly sure. Let me explain to you what

35:12

I got. I'm an attorney here in Nashville

35:15

have been about thirty years. My name is

35:17

Ray de Hockemore. I

35:19

have a client who has called

35:21

me this morning, and her full legal

35:23

name is Camelot Erie,

35:26

and she has made a number

35:28

of of threats about her

35:30

own life. She has stopped.

35:32

She has told me that this morning. You

35:35

supposedly with the firearms on

35:37

the front porch. But I can

35:39

tell you that if a bunch of police

35:41

cars and ambulances pull up with sirens

35:44

flailing and light

35:44

flashing, that she will shoot herself.

35:47

Tell me exactly what happened when she said.

35:50

She has threatened to take

35:52

her own life and she

35:54

has also given me information about

35:56

another resident

35:59

of that part of Nashville. Who

36:02

is, I think, also got

36:04

some neural and emotional problems. He

36:06

was allegedly building bAW in

36:09

his house, and I

36:11

have reason to believe that there might actually

36:13

be more truth to what she's telling me

36:15

about him than what she's telling

36:17

me about herself.

36:19

What happened next would later be revealed

36:21

by police after they began their

36:23

investigation into Tony Warner.

36:26

Wednesday morning on August twenty first

36:29

twenty nineteen, South PRECEC, patrol

36:31

officers responded to Seeping Lane

36:33

on a report from an attorney

36:36

that a woman who lived there had made suicidal

36:38

threats. I was sitting on

36:40

her front porch with firearms. Upon

36:44

arrival, officer saw the woman that

36:46

did have two pistols on a

36:48

front porch next to her, but they were

36:50

in her not in her possession and

36:52

were unloaded. The

36:54

woman said the guns belong to Tony

36:56

Warner that she did won't deal in

36:59

the house any longer. During

37:02

officer's conversation with the woman, she said

37:04

that her boyfriend wanted was built

37:07

in bombs and a RV trailer at

37:09

its residence. The attorney

37:11

said that Wanna frequently talked about military

37:14

and bomb making that he believed

37:16

one and knew that he was what he was

37:18

doing and was capable of making

37:20

a bomb. Out

37:22

of Wondery for the woman, emotional state,

37:25

officers called mobile crisis. They

37:27

they in turn spoke with the woman and determined

37:30

that she was in need of care. Based

37:33

on what they heard, South Freak South

37:36

Freak officers responded to

37:38

Wanna's home on Bakertown Road, knocked

37:41

on the door but received no answer. They

37:44

saw the RV in the backyard, it

37:48

was fenced off and they could not see inside

37:50

the RV. Austin's

37:53

tried several times to get a response at the

37:55

door. They knocked and knocked and

37:57

not, but never made contact with

38:00

Anthony Warner. One

38:02

of the responding officers called the Hazardous

38:04

device unit that relayed the substance of the

38:06

call. The following

38:09

day, president's device unit

38:11

officer Kevin Pollard began follow-up.

38:14

On the twenty second, officer

38:16

Paul has sent a narrative over to

38:18

the FBI, national office to do a check

38:20

on Warner for prior

38:23

military connections. Later

38:25

in the day on August twenty second, the

38:27

FBI report came back that

38:29

it checked the holding and found no records

38:32

whatsoever on water. On

38:35

August twenty eighth, the FBI reported that

38:37

Department defense kicks in water

38:40

with all negatives. During

38:43

his time, officer Pollard reports that he

38:45

drove back home for several days,

38:47

and he had an officer on standby, just

38:49

an event that when he if if

38:52

he made contact with officer Warner that

38:54

could do a knock on top and try to get inside

38:56

the residence hall, inside of

38:58

the mobile home. Also,

39:02

Paula continued trying to make contact. I

39:04

would want it to no avail to its landline

39:07

as well. On

39:09

August twenty ninth twenty nineteen, officer

39:11

Paul had phoned the attorney who was on the scene

39:14

during the suicidal call. During

39:16

that conversation, officer Paul had said that he was

39:19

attempting to locate Warner that

39:21

he was told that he was known to go

39:23

on camping trips four weeks at

39:25

a time. Officer

39:28

Paula recalled asking whether he could just

39:30

take a look inside the RV, park

39:32

behind one as a whole. Also,

39:34

Paul recalls the attorney telling him

39:36

that Warner did not care for the police,

39:39

and I'm not going to be able

39:41

let him let you all do

39:43

that. Supposed. Officer

39:46

Paulie recalls the attorney saying that Warner

39:48

is capable of making a bomb, but

39:50

then believe he was doing so and

39:52

didn't believe he was following. Also,

39:55

during late August, our specialized

39:58

investigation division looked for any

40:00

open source information on water and

40:02

found none. At

40:05

no time, was there evidence of reasonable

40:07

suspicion that crime was being committed,

40:09

and officers had no legal basis

40:12

going to warn us Finjan yard at home

40:14

during August twenty nineteen. No

40:17

additional action was taken after late August

40:19

into the best of my knowledge, no other reports

40:22

or information about one that came into

40:24

the police department. We

40:26

did not have the knowledge in August twenty

40:29

nineteen, and we had no legal basis

40:31

with search warrants or subpoenas based

40:33

on what we knew at the time.

40:41

After the incident involving Pamela, Tony

40:43

continued its existence as a semi

40:46

reclusive lone wolf. Taking

40:48

frequent trips into nearby state parks,

40:51

hunting for aliens, diving even

40:53

deeper into esoteric conspiracy theories,

40:56

like its belief that the world was being

40:58

controlled by a race of reptilian

41:00

lizard people who could shape shift

41:03

in a human form. It's

41:05

also believed that he harbored beliefs and

41:07

numerous conspiracies surrounding

41:09

the rollout of five g wireless

41:11

technology. Frequently, Tony

41:14

compiled essays explaining all of his

41:16

conspiratorial beliefs. And his

41:18

attempts at hunting aliens. He put

41:20

them on flash drives and sent them out

41:22

to the few acquaintances and friends he had.

41:25

One of them was a server at a local Waffle

41:27

House, named Crystal Deck.

41:29

The two would become friends in the months before

41:31

the

41:31

explosion. And in those months,

41:34

Crystal witnessed a number of puzzling details

41:36

that would only become all too clear

41:39

once she learned about the bombing on Christmas

41:41

day. In the weeks before

41:43

the bombing, Crystal saw Tony

41:45

on his laptop fiddling around

41:47

with female computer generated voice

41:50

automator. He also made a point

41:52

to pull at a CD and played

41:54

the song downtown for, telling

41:56

Crystal he believed the song

41:59

had a, quote, significant

42:01

spirit. Crystal described

42:03

Tony in true southern fashion

42:06

that she knew his cornbread wasn't

42:09

done in the middle. Basically,

42:11

he was a bit of an oddball, but he

42:13

was a friendly one, even a gregarious

42:15

one who helped her from time to

42:17

time with handy work as well as

42:19

walking her dogs. He

42:21

also implied he was dying

42:24

of cancer,

42:25

a claim that may or may not have

42:27

been true. One of the things

42:30

Tony frequently talked to Crystal about

42:32

was going out on his own terms and

42:34

looking back There were in fact signs

42:37

Tony had been preparing for his own death,

42:39

including getting his affairs in order.

42:42

In November twenty twenty, Tony

42:44

signed a quick clean deed. To his

42:46

house over to the daughter of a former

42:48

girlfriend of his. A twenty nine year

42:50

old woman in California named Michelle

42:52

Swain. For zero dollars. According

42:55

to Michelle, she wasn't even aware the

42:57

deed had been signed, and her signature

43:00

appears nowhere on the document. Towards

43:02

the end, Tony began giving away

43:05

or getting rid of nearly all of his possessions.

43:08

The only things left inside his house was

43:10

an air mattress, a laptop,

43:12

and some power tools.

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wondering. To his IT

44:06

clients, Tony wrote letters announcing

44:08

his retirement, even giving

44:10

stole his car just days before the

44:12

bombing. And during one of

44:14

his last known interactions, a

44:17

neighborhood made small talk with Tony

44:19

at his mailbox asked if Santa

44:21

was bringing him anything good for Christmas.

44:24

Tony responded by saying, yes,

44:27

I'm gonna be so famous Nashville

44:30

will never forget me. Knowing

44:33

that Tony was somewhat of an IT expert

44:35

in computer guru The neighbor

44:37

assumed he'd simply invented something

44:40

that might make him a lot of money,

44:42

like a new app or something to that

44:44

effect. Fact. On December

44:46

twenty third, two days before the

44:48

bombing, Tony mailed out a series

44:50

of packages, contained nine

44:53

type pages of conspiratorial writing

44:56

along with thumb drives of videos he wanted

44:58

the recipients to look at. The

45:00

packages can taint no return hot

45:02

dress. The full contents

45:05

of Tony's writings have never been

45:07

publicly

45:08

released, only bits pieces

45:10

in the letters he wrote things like. The

45:13

knowledge I have gained is immeasurable. I

45:16

now understand everything, and I

45:18

mean everything. From who what

45:20

we really are to what the known universe

45:23

really is. Everything is an

45:25

illusion. There is no such

45:27

thing as death.

45:29

Tony

45:29

would be dead before the packages

45:32

ever arrived in the mail. At

45:34

one twenty two AM on Christmas morning,

45:37

Security cameras captured Tony driving their

45:39

RV on the second avenue and

45:41

parking it in front of the nondescript AT

45:44

and T building. The first round

45:46

of gunfire shots heard by area residents

45:48

occurred sometime around four thirty.

45:51

And even though we know, there was live

45:53

ammunition inside of the RV. It's

45:55

generally believed that the gunshots heard

45:58

throughout the neighborhood were most likely

46:00

sound effects. Play through the loud

46:02

speaker that would go on to play the infamous

46:04

warning messages later that morning. And

46:07

that was one more detail Crystal Deck remembered

46:09

about Anthony. The ringtone on his

46:11

cell phone had been recording of

46:13

gunshots. The loud shots

46:15

rang out again around five AM,

46:18

and then again, bolster five thirty

46:20

when the first 901 calls began coming

46:22

in to report them. What

46:25

was happening in IDRV during

46:27

the entire event is anyone's

46:30

gas. The presence of a security

46:32

camera mounted near the front of the vehicle

46:35

could suggest Tony had been watching

46:37

the entire event as it began to unfold.

46:40

While inside the closed off camper,

46:43

However, any true insights as

46:45

to Tony's motivations for killing himself

46:48

or setting off the bomb on Second Avenue,

46:51

or parking his RV in front of the

46:53

AT and T building, died

46:55

with Tony when the bomb went off.

46:58

The most popular theory was

47:00

that Tony is specifically targeted

47:02

at the AT and T building, especially

47:05

when the public learned that Tony's

47:07

late father had worked for Bell South

47:09

before mercher with AT and T in

47:11

two thousand and

47:12

six. He had some

47:14

tie ins with AT and T and

47:16

plus the fact that he had the whole he

47:18

had a conspiracy about five g, which AT

47:21

and T was really pushing for then. If

47:23

he wanted to target something else, if

47:25

he wanted to have the biggest

47:27

mass casualty event that he could,

47:29

he could have done it. He had the knowledge

47:31

of it. So to to be

47:34

as specific as he

47:35

was, where he parked it at, It seems

47:37

like he had just the one plan

47:39

he wanted to both kill himself

47:41

and damage AT and T.

47:44

It's only natural for people to want

47:46

solid answers for the motivation behind

47:48

the bomb

47:49

attack. The bitter reality

47:51

is, we'll probably never know

47:53

for sure. I don't know

47:55

if there's gonna be any way to actually

47:57

nail down his motives. I think those went

48:00

away with him. Yeah. He very well

48:02

could have killed, I mean, hundreds

48:05

of people with the size of the bomb that was

48:07

there. If if you were to

48:09

move that and have the same thing happen

48:11

at eight o'clock on a Friday or Saturday tonight,

48:14

there would have been dozens if not

48:16

hundreds of casualties right there. So

48:19

he he picked the time and date very specific

48:21

to where there'd be the least amount

48:23

of people out and, you

48:25

know, and then he had the warning messages and

48:28

every piece of this was highly

48:31

calculated by him and,

48:33

you know, very targeted down to the

48:35

time date you know, really to the

48:37

very second because I believe it went off right

48:39

at six thirty in the morning.

48:45

The FBI's renowned behavioral analysis

48:47

unit spent more than three months

48:50

working with local law enforcement searching

48:52

for answers. Investigating more

48:54

than twenty five hundred tips, conducting

48:57

two hundred and fifty interviews, while

49:00

analyzing all of Tony's numerous

49:02

conspiracy laden essays and

49:04

the contents of the flash drive sent

49:06

out shortly before the

49:07

bombing. On

49:10

March fifteen, twenty twenty one,

49:12

the FBI concluded Warner's

49:14

detonation of the improvised explosive device

49:17

was an intentional act in an effort

49:19

to end his own life driven in part

49:21

by a totality of life stressors,

49:23

including paranoia, long held

49:26

individualized beliefs adopted from

49:28

several eccentric conspiracy theories

49:31

and the loss of stabilizing anchors. And

49:33

deteriorating interpersonal relationships.

49:37

The FBI assesses Warner specifically

49:39

chose the location and timing of the

49:42

bombing. So that it would be impactful

49:44

while still minimizing the likelihood of

49:46

causing undue injury. The

49:49

FBI's analysis did not reveal

49:51

indications of a broader ideological motive

49:54

to use violence to bring about social

49:56

or political change nor

49:58

does it reveal indications of

50:01

a specific personal grievance focused

50:03

on individuals or entities in

50:05

and around the location of the explosion.

50:08

Although the conclusion was that Tony

50:10

Warner hadn't specifically targeted

50:12

AT and T and that

50:14

he had tempted to limit the number of casualties,

50:18

this hardly absolves him of any

50:20

contemptuous actions. There

50:22

are simply too many what ifs that could

50:24

have gone wrong, and it's nothing

50:26

short of a miracle. Police were able

50:28

to successfully evacuate the entire

50:31

area without losing their own lives.

50:33

Or even a single civilian suffering

50:36

a serious injury, what also

50:38

needs to be considered, aren't the secondary

50:40

ramifications of the bombing, that

50:43

took out AT and T phone communications and

50:46

crippled numerous nine eleven call

50:48

centers across the entire southeast

50:50

region for

50:51

days. We're talking about

50:53

millions of people, you know, literally millions

50:56

of people any day

50:58

at all at now the one where

51:00

I work at and, you know, Nashville will

51:02

have people calling in because someone

51:05

has just passed out and stopped breathing.

51:07

Someone has overdosed. Someone has done

51:09

something like this where it is

51:12

an actual life threatening emergency.

51:14

And if they had no way to call, to

51:17

get through if they had no phone

51:19

phone service themself. Those

51:21

seconds when they counted, they

51:23

tick away. So for that

51:25

person, they may not have made it. But

51:28

there's no way to tell one way or

51:30

another if health would have got to a place

51:32

a little bit earlier that person that passed

51:34

out and stopped breathing or that person that overdosed if

51:36

they would have made it or not.

51:41

Today, nearly two years later,

51:44

the impact of the Christmas morning bombing

51:46

is still clearly

51:47

visible. The destruction

51:49

from the bomb itself, it did

51:52

destroy or impact a

51:54

little bit over sixty buildings downtown. That

51:57

included department buildings that have included

52:00

the businesses, some of which

52:02

we're now in twenty twenty two,

52:04

been two years since this happened. And

52:07

some of the buildings are still not repaired.

52:09

They've had to tear down a few of

52:11

the buildings that were there and Even

52:13

still to this

52:14

day, even though second avenue right there where it

52:16

happened, you can drive by where it where

52:18

it happened. You're not able

52:20

to access parts of the

52:22

sidewalk, you know, you can't go in front of the

52:24

buildings. There's still bar barricades that are

52:26

there that is it's kinda

52:28

sealing it off, but you can still drop

52:30

up the middle right there, but the

52:32

destruction was pretty widespread. Several

52:35

buildings that were completely destroyed

52:37

and other ones that had significant damage.

52:39

With Christmas right around the corner, we

52:42

want to acknowledge and extend our sincere

52:44

gratitude to the sixth office

52:47

who responded to Second Avenue that

52:49

morning in two thousand and twenty. Officer

52:52

Brenna Hosey, officer Tyler

52:55

Lewellen, Officer Michael

52:57

Cyprys, officer Amanda

52:59

Topping, officer James

53:01

Wells, and sergeant Timothy

53:03

Miller. Their professional and

53:06

heroic actions in the face

53:08

of perhaps the most bizarrely sinister

53:10

event in downtown Nashville's history

53:13

or nothing short of a Christmas

53:15

miracle. And

53:17

while the buildings may have fallen, and

53:20

the city is still picking up the pieces

53:22

from destruction. Every one

53:24

of those officers were able to make

53:26

it home to their families for Christmas.

53:58

I wanna thank Brandon Hall for his twenty

54:00

two years of service as a dispatcher and

54:03

for sharing his experiences with

54:05

us. If you'd like to hear more from him,

54:07

check out his show, Music City,

54:09

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54:12

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54:19

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54:21

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54:23

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54:25

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54:27

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54:29

could have murders.

54:31

Go County 9111 for emergency. I

54:33

just killed my children.

54:35

Home and cousins. He's

54:36

in my house. He's in my house. I

54:39

shot

54:39

him. You shot him?

54:41

He was coming up driving me. He's driving.

54:43

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54:51

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55:13

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