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amazed
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how every office we went to had bowls
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of candy with amazing wrappers.
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And every time I asked what's going on, why
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there's candies everywhere, I was told
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it's Halloween. So I'm thinking,
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is this a person that just runs around
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and distributes candies? I mean, it's like Santa
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Claus. I don't know what everybody's saying. Then
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somebody had PDO and man explained
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that there's a holiday in America where you're
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given candy. I mean, this is
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like better than winning a million
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dollars today, for sure. So
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I'm thinking, when is this going to happen?
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So it's in November. So they're saying October
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31st. Are you kidding me? I have to wait 11 months,
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a deprived child from Soviet Union. Can
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they give it to me now? No,
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apparently it's only one day. So I say,
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okay, how do I go about
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it? Some explain you have to
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have a costume. That's a problem. And
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you have to have a special word that you say.
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So we don't speak English. So somebody explains
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to me, you have to say trick or treat. Well, I
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don't know what anyone's saying. So I thought, TOT?
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Okay, whatever works as long as I get
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free candy. So
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I'm waiting and waiting. Like by June,
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I'm thinking, maybe I should try this special
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phrase. The mailman comes, I go,
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TOT?
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He looks at me like, what is wrong with
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you? And I'm thinking,
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okay, maybe July, you know,
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I go to school and there's a teacher
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that seems kind. I go, TOT?
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Again, nothing. So I keep on
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waiting. You know, September comes
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and I ask my mom, do
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we have a costume for me? Because I
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am going to go and collect like literally 2000
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pounds of candy. So my
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mom is like, you know, you could be a red
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riding hood because we have a red hat from
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Russia. I'm thinking, okay,
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maybe this could work. So I put on a red
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hat.
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teenager
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and he's really having fun, like no
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one has ever reacted
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to his prank like I did. So
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he's really chasing me. We're like
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marathon runners. I am not
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a runner. So my father could
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not catch up with me. So he tries to meet
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me the other way. He tries to go around
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the block the other way, trying to
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catch me. So he's going
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towards me. And I'm like hysterical.
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I'm just clutching to my candy and he's telling
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that that guy, stop, stop, that's
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enough. Please stop. And
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finally he had to pull his mask and
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show me he's a real person. And
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that was it for the night. I must admit I needed
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some homeopathic
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remedy to come down. I
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just sat there counting my candies
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till morning. It was like 415 and three bubblegum.
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But I had a dilemma
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I had to deal with for the next 364 days. Am
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I going to do it again or not? It was
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like free candy, fear, real
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tarot.
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But then it takes much more
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to scare a Soviet Union girl from
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collecting candy. So I still put on my
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red riding hood hat and I still
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went, but now I did not visit the houses
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that had graveyards. And
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to be honest with you, I still didn't give up the
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tradition. So someone nuts in your door and they have
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a red riding hood hat and a shop right
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bag. Please open the door and give me candy.
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That was Sofia Tomatyn.
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Sofia was born in the former Soviet
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Union and enjoys sharing her family's
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immigration stories. She loves to travel
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the world and appreciates learning about
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different cultures and people. Sofia
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believes in bringing light to the world by
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making people laugh, performing
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acts of kindness and breaking boundaries
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between people. If you'd like to see
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a photo of grownup Sophia dressed
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for Halloween with her family. You'll find
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it on our website, themoth.org slash
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extras. Halloween can
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be fun and exciting, but sometimes
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the pretend
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fright can turn into something
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real. Our next storyteller
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is Tricia Ho with a more serious
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story they told when we partnered
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with UN Women Asia and the Pacific
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for an event in Bangkok, Thailand
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featuring diverse stories from across
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the region. The theme of the night was
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standing up stories of courage
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and resilience.
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Here's Tricia, live at the Moth.
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Halloween is one of my favorite times
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of the year
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because it was the only day that I could express
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my gender identity without having
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to face a raised eyebrow
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or a weird look. So
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when my activist friends and I heard that the
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authorities had signed off on a Halloween event
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that had drag queens and
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queer artists on the lineup despite
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the rising anti-LGBT sentiment
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due to the recent elections, we
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were shocked. We
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were cautious, but ultimately we
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were hopeful because
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perhaps after many years of
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fighting for equality and human rights that
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it is starting to make progress.
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About a thousand people from around the city,
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even familiar faces from the activists,
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came together for a night of celebration
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for freedom of expression and to reclaim
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our place in a
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conservative country that sought
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to criminalize, to
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discredit and demonize the
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queer community.
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We had just spent the night getting ready in our
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costumes. Our outfits consist
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of gender non-conforming features and
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bright rainbow colors to match the performance that night.
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For myself, I wore a floral dress and a dress that was
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a beautiful dress. four shirts, slacks,
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and a hand-drawn beard that took two attempts
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and many hours to perfect. I
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looked over to my friend, a
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queer non-binary
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Muslim female,
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dressed in a black, lazy taut,
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a leather skirt, and a red
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cape.
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And beside them was a trans woman
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friend wearing a beautiful summer
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dress and makeup. We
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were so excited. It
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was a warm night in Chinatown as my friends
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and I arrived at the venue. We
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had been anticipating this for weeks. As
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I look out to
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see a large crowd of people
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and through the sea of color,
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I thought to myself,
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this is it. This
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is the night that I could finally take
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a break, a well-deserved break. I
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was no longer the eldest child
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of a divorced Asian family that had to face
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violence on a regular basis. I
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could also take a break from being a community leader
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fighting against a broken arbitrary system.
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As a queer person in this conservative country,
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I found myself invisibilized
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by the system that some feel just
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visible enough to be scapegoated
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by their political agenda, that
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somehow my identity was
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a tool for their gain.
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Many people in my community, myself
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included, often faced violence and
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discrimination from family members, friends,
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and even the very authorities they ought to protect
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us. Queer Muslim folks
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are often targeted and sent to conversion
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therapy camps to fix them.
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There was no place for someone like me.
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But tonight,
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tonight I could be carefree and enjoy
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the company
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of my community and my friends.
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And so as we start to ascend the
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steps going up to the venue,
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I started to notice a lot of
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harsh voices in the corners. The
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lights were unusually bright and
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intense. But
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before I could take another step, a voice
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rang. Don't
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go upstairs. The police are waiting. The
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whiplash of emotion sent my body
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into a paralysis as my heart rate quickened. And
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I flashed back to all the
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times I felt so vulnerable in my own home. And
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when I had to face abuse, I was met
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with, Why did you make him mad? You
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know that he gets angry. This is your fault.
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I made myself take a deep breath.
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My instincts honed by years of having
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to manage conflict and to step
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in,
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kicked in.
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And I took stock of my situation and
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the risks of the people that were with me. On
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one hand, a
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queer non-binary Muslim woman would
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be charged and sent to conversion
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therapy camp. The other,
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a trans woman who would be
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at risk of brutality and sexual violence.
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I could not let that happen.
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And so I sprung into action
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and let them out of the venue. While
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doing so, I was trying to book a taxi
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to get out of the area as quickly as possible.
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But I soon realized that the police
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had closed all the roads in the area and
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there was nowhere in or out. It
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was almost as if they signed off on the
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event just to trap us here.
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Let's go this way, I said,
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as I led them through the back alley.
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Every corner we turn, we could catch
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a glimpse of a blue flashing light and
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we had to pivot and run.
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Around
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another corner, and I see
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a police officer's uniform.
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uniform
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and we had to pivot and run.
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In my only attempt
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of resistance in that moment, I tried to
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use my body as a shield to protect
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my friends so they wouldn't be as visible. But
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I forgot that I myself had
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a beard and I stood out just as much.
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As we passed by some bystanders,
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we will stare at them.
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They will whisper.
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But no one said anything. No
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one did anything.
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And I was praying that
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even if they don't want
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to help us, at the very least,
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to not report this to the police.
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After an hour of running as far
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away as we could, we finally got a taxi
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and we got to a safe place. I
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slumped onto the couch and waves
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of exhaustion by adrenaline
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crash washed over my body. All
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of the pent up emotions
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of anger, frustration,
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even relief erupted
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from me and I
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sobbed into
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my pillows.
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I hated
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that the authorities could
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rate even this time off on.
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I hated that the passibys
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could only gawk at us as we're trying to run
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for our lives. On the night
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when I was supposed to be vibrant and
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colorful, I
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had to make myself invisible. I
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felt foolish for believing
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that change was happening.
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And I realized now there is more work to
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be done.
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And I'll be there every step of the way. Thank
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you.
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Trisha is a queer
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rights activist and feminist that
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works closely with organizational system
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design, project management, and
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community building based in Southeast
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Asia. And a big thank you
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to UN Women in Asia and the
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Pacific and their support of the Moths
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Global Program. This collaboration
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brought forward women's stories of bravery
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and resilience from survivors, creators,
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and activists. That's all
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for this episode. From all of us here
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at The Moth, thank you for listening. And
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remember, you can always pitch us one of your
16:34
stories right on our site, themoth.org.
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Sarah Austin Janess is a director, The Moth
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executive producer, and a co-author of the bestselling
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How to Tell a Story, The Essential Guide
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to Memorable Storytelling from The Moth, which
16:48
is available now wherever you get your books.
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Trisha Ho's story was directed by Sarah
16:53
Austin Janess. This episode
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of The Moth Podcast was produced by Sarah Austin
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Janess, Sarah Jane Johnson, and me, Mark
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Sollinger. The rest of The Moth's leadership
17:03
team includes Sarah Haberman, Jennifer
17:05
Hickson, Meg Bowles, Kate Tellers,
17:07
Marina Cloutier, Suzanne Rest, Brandon
17:10
Grant Walker, Leigh-Anne Gulley, and Aldi
17:12
Casa. All Moth stories are true, as
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remembered by the storytellers. For more
17:16
about our podcast, information on pitching your
17:18
own story, and everything else, go
17:20
to our website, themoth.org. The
17:23
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