President Joe Biden had a rough night Thursday at the debate, but CNN moderators Jake Tapper and Dana Bash also turned in an abysmal performance of their own, according to The New Abnormal co-hosts Andy Levy and Danielle Moodie. Then, Parker Molloy, writer of the Substack The Present Age, joins the program to talk about the fact checking site Snopes’ recent determination that Donald Trump actually didn’t call the white supremacists and neo-Nazis at the infamous Charlottesville rally “very fine people”—and why the site is wrong. Plus! Investigate reporter Katya Schwenk, a reporter at investigative site The Lever, discusses a particularly egregious Supreme Court ruling recently which allows politicians to accept monetary gifts.

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