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when you were rubbing your hand? No,

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I thought you might think that. No,

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no, no. I was like wow

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the star of the show. I didn't even

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I'm that serious. I was like, wow. He's

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giving me the finger. How

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are you? Everything

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is great. Ready for the.

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Will you be here on the 4th? Yes. I

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will see. I'm working hard. TV

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and radio tomorrow. Until Monday. The only reason

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you're working is because you got to do

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TV so you figured I might as well

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work anyway. Very true. Okay. Just

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calling it like this. And my wife is working

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too. So, you know. So right. It's

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just a Thursday to you. To your eyes. It's

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just a Thursday. Absolutely. And people ask me all

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the time. I tell you during the day, you

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know when we're in the newspaper business, Chris. People

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used to always say, oh, the holiday, the weekend. I

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used to be like, dude, none of that matters to

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me. Like I never looked

4:45

forward to the weekend. It was never,

4:47

yeah. Tuesday and Saturday were no different.

4:49

Exactly. Really, as a sports writer. They're

4:51

not, they are not. People talk about,

4:53

oh, I can't wait for the weekend.

4:55

I was like, dude, I'm working. Saturday,

4:58

Sunday, Friday night. I'm like, when I

5:00

ride, when I first started out covering

5:02

high school sports, every

5:04

Friday night I was at a

5:06

game. Right. Whether it

5:08

was football, then basketball, and

5:10

summer, I guess, you know, spring once

5:13

basketball was over, Friday nights,

5:15

I guess weren't the same. But Saturdays

5:18

you're covering track meets. Right. You

5:20

know what I mean? Baseball games.

5:22

Yeah. Softball. So yes. The

5:26

life of a sports writer, not always

5:28

glamorous. No. We're not complaining

5:30

because we are very blessed. And

5:33

I think I can speak for you when

5:35

I say, we

5:37

cherish those moments, you know, like, Oh

5:39

yeah. Like, like for real, to aspire

5:41

to be something, Chris, you wind up

5:44

working, you work at the newspaper of

5:46

the record, the New York Times. You

5:48

know what I'm saying? Like, everybody

5:50

can't say that. I

5:53

grew up in New York. I always wanted to write

5:55

for the Daily News. And I did that. You know

5:57

what I mean? Like, those are, those

5:59

are hard places. to get into and

6:01

then you know from there so we

6:03

were a part of that newspaper business

6:05

when newspapers were king I

6:07

still cherish that it was

6:10

so different it was so yeah back

6:12

in the day you're right the today's

6:15

and it is progress I mean we

6:17

we had things that the previous generation

6:19

of sports writers couldn't understand

6:21

when they were writing on typewriters

6:24

exactly but you can't write

6:26

as a young sports writer today and this

6:28

is not we're not saying we were better

6:30

or worse they can't really even

6:32

fathom what it was like when we were doing

6:34

it Chris I know you didn't have all night

6:36

to write cuz it was the internet no versus

6:39

the paper you know you had to get it

6:41

on our deadline a hard deadline and and

6:45

you would get calls where

6:47

the paper they would call you from the assignment

6:49

desk and say hey Chris get on the plane

6:51

and go to st. Louis oh yeah am I

6:53

right and you would just go to the airport

6:56

absolutely you robbed did you there

6:58

were times I had to dictate

7:00

my story yeah on the phone

7:02

read the whole story punctuation everything

7:04

to the editor cuz you're for

7:06

whatever reason your computer wasn't working

7:08

working right yeah it was

7:10

a it was it was definitely a but

7:13

you know like you said man

7:15

I look back at all

7:18

those times cover high school sports

7:21

cover rec sports like it was all

7:23

fun it was I mean I really

7:25

enjoyed all of it games in Wilkes-Perry

7:27

Pennsylvania when I did too Chris I

7:30

covered a little league yeah yeah

7:32

so all right we got the

7:34

eye couple crew in full effect

7:36

it's a lot of replacements

7:39

today but we all good with that

7:41

our man Shay the producer is

7:43

in for Rob G. Shay Shay

7:46

of course on the update you heard him a

7:48

few moments ago Brian Finley the

7:51

loquacious one and Rob we gonna

7:53

hook up beef in

7:55

is we gonna go to breakfast in

7:57

New York my treat I don't even

7:59

believe Come watch first things

8:01

first. Yes. What? Absolutely.

8:04

First is the wedding still on, Brian. That's what I

8:06

wanted to watch. It

8:09

is still on. She has about a week and a

8:11

half to say no. To bail out. She's

8:14

a beautiful woman and very nice. I was great

8:16

to meet her. Well, my mom said a lot

8:18

of great things about you too, Rob. Really?

8:20

Thank you. I don't want to hear anything

8:22

about Rob in your mind. Oh, I want

8:24

you to be that alone. You know, I

8:27

didn't bring up that she was a model

8:29

of playboy. And

8:32

Elijah's working today. Elijah Sabunya,

8:34

of course, on the social

8:37

media. But Alex

8:40

Teicher is out. So all the

8:42

ones and twos, none other than.

8:46

I think Alex is jealous. He doesn't

8:48

have an intro like that. I mean,

8:50

that's not only that, but that's a

8:52

great intro, Mary. That's a great intro.

8:54

Mary, you did real talk. I don't,

8:57

I doubt any engineer has that

8:59

type of a intro. So

9:02

yeah, that's great. All right. Let's get to it,

9:04

Rob. We got Vinny Goodwill coming up at the

9:06

bottom of the hour. Friend of the show, former

9:09

nephew of Rob Parker, a

9:11

Yahoo Sports NBA writer, does a great

9:13

job. He'll join us in

9:15

about 25 minutes. And

9:18

one thing we may talk about with

9:21

him, Rob, LeBron, James Saenz with the

9:23

Lakers, two years, $104 million. That's the max.

9:27

Now I was surprised it wasn't three years,

9:29

160. I felt even

9:31

if he did not play

9:34

the entire three years, that

9:36

why not get the contract? Um,

9:39

but I talked to some people and

9:41

his two year deal is not because

9:44

he's planning to retire in two years.

9:46

Now, of course, you know, if

9:48

his game really falls off this year, next year,

9:50

he gets hurt. He easily could,

9:53

but I'm told it was because to keep

9:55

his flexibility as a player option for the

9:57

second year and also Rob, Remember,

10:01

the NBA's new TV deals

10:03

are supposed to be worth 76, I

10:06

think it's 76, but 70 something billion

10:08

dollars, whereas the last

10:11

one was worth 24 billion. So there's

10:13

gonna be a huge jump, and

10:15

those salaries, the salary cap should

10:17

really jump, not this season, but

10:19

the following season, 2025, 26. So

10:23

they wanna be ready for that. But

10:26

isn't there some rule two to 38 rule, Chris?

10:28

What was our reason? Way,

10:30

obviously past that. That determines length,

10:34

length of the contract you can get. I

10:36

saw that, I was reading that about how

10:38

long a contract could be after age 38,

10:41

correct? Yes, absolutely. So, but we'll

10:43

see. But anyway, here's what I wanna throw at you, Rob.

10:47

LeBron, let's say he plays two years. Do

10:50

you see him winning another

10:52

championship? Highly unlikely, I

10:55

don't see it. I don't

10:57

know what would have to happen

11:00

if I had been with Chris, I can't see

11:02

it, given what the West

11:04

looks like, even with LeBron and the numbers.

11:07

The numbers haven't gone south, but

11:09

the impact has gone south. It's

11:11

just been a struggle for them to win. I

11:14

know they went to the Western Conference Finals, and

11:16

I know they won the end season tournament, but

11:18

it's been a struggle, even with AD

11:21

had a great year last year. They

11:23

helped him? They had

11:25

asked for AD to do much more than

11:28

he did last year. He could be a

11:30

better player, slightly better player. But I'm saying

11:32

the numbers though. But yeah, the games played,

11:35

I mean, that's as good as it gets

11:37

for Anthony Davis, you're right about that. And they still finished

11:39

in the play-in. I mean, they were a seventh

11:42

seed, I believe, but that's play-in. But that's what

11:44

I'm saying. You gotta play your way in. Right,

11:46

Chris, with those numbers,

11:49

LeBron and his heyday putting up those

11:51

numbers in Anthony Davis, that would equate

11:53

to a bot. You're competing for a

11:55

top sports bot. A chance to win

11:57

the championship. Yeah, LeBron and his heyday,

11:59

you're absolutely. right with a guy

12:01

like AD and a decent supporting cast,

12:04

there could be for a championship. And

12:06

instead they're at the bottom, you know,

12:08

like struggling to even get into the

12:10

playing and all that. So

12:12

that's why I just find it hard to

12:14

believe that that's

12:17

going to change. And now you

12:19

throw in a rookie coach, Chris, a novice, a

12:21

guy who hasn't coached at all. Maybe

12:23

he's decent. Maybe he's good. Maybe he's Jeff Saturday.

12:26

And I just use that as a term. You

12:29

know what I mean? Like a leader of men. I

12:31

didn't get it done except for week one. You're

12:35

in about 12 players. I

12:38

see. See, you know,

12:41

the game we played it. Exactly.

12:43

Coach, you just need to be

12:45

a leader of men. That's all

12:47

you need out of here. One of those guys

12:49

after week nine, like they disappeared,

12:51

Chris, but they were hoping and praying because

12:54

had Jeff Saturday done something, they were hoping

12:56

they could get jobs without having to go

12:58

through the coach. Yeah. It

13:00

can't be done in football. I'm convinced it

13:03

can't be done in football unless you're just

13:05

a complete figurehead. You know what I mean?

13:07

The coaching is big in football. Yeah. It's

13:10

just to what schemes you run and all

13:12

kinds of stuff is totally you got such

13:14

a big staff to manage everything. It's just

13:16

I can't see it in football. But there's just

13:19

too many moving parts, Chris, and too many things

13:21

that have to is Bronnie going to be a

13:23

distraction to the team. You know what I mean?

13:25

I'm like that. Interesting. What

13:27

could happen if Bronnie's not playing? How

13:30

come Bronnie's not playing or Bronnie's playing

13:32

too much or he's not performing well?

13:34

Is he going to be sent down?

13:37

Is he blah, blah, blah? You know, like, like

13:39

there's all these other storylines that could weigh

13:42

on on the Lakers as well. So

13:45

I don't see in the next two years

13:47

the Lakers winning the championship, especially with

13:49

how the West looks. All

13:52

these young teams, Chris, only

13:54

going to get better, right?

13:56

Because they haven't Minnesota hasn't

13:58

topped out. OK. He hasn't

14:00

topped out. You don't know where

14:02

Denver is. I mean, you got to consider them. There's

14:05

just a lot of teams, even the

14:07

Sacramento Kings. I know they're

14:10

running the Lakers. That right. But

14:12

they're relatively still. They don't know anybody else, but they

14:14

own the Lakers. So I'm not there. I'm

14:17

with you. I don't think he's going to win any more

14:19

championships. And I think we've said this for a little

14:22

while now. It's

14:24

no slight on LeBron. I mean, he's 39. He's

14:27

the best 39-year-old we've ever seen. I don't

14:30

think that's even arguable. But

14:33

he's not leading. In

14:35

this NBA, Rob, I

14:38

don't see him leading a team to a

14:40

championship, to your point. And

14:44

I think it is what it is. If

14:47

they can be in the playoffs. And I

14:49

think LeBron, look, I think his number one

14:52

thing obviously was playing with Bronny, but he

14:54

wants to play in LA. And

14:56

I think he wants to be competitive

14:58

and try like have a chance.

15:00

I guess you got a puncher's chance,

15:03

right? But

15:05

as long as the team seems like it's trying to

15:07

win a championship, I think he's fine with it. He

15:10

obviously isn't going anywhere just to chase

15:13

a ring and go to Philadelphia. No, I

15:15

can't see that. His

15:17

family is saying he's at a different point in his life.

15:20

You know, I never would look bad. That

15:23

would be strange. Yeah. If

15:25

he went to now, Philadelphia would have been a

15:27

little different as far as credit because

15:30

they haven't even been past the second

15:32

round and they need

15:34

a leader. And you know, Tyrese Maxie is

15:36

young and Joel Embiid tends to be hurt.

15:39

So if they want a championship, LeBron

15:42

would get a ton of credit for that.

15:44

Maybe even the lion's share with that group,

15:46

who knows? But if he

15:48

went somewhere around like Milwaukee and

15:51

Giannis is leading them and you know,

15:53

the lion's playing well, but not the

15:56

guy. Like we know

15:58

what this is about. It's about the goal.

16:00

for LeBron and winning a

16:02

championship as the second guy or on

16:04

somebody else's doesn't help no it's not

16:07

gonna it's not gonna matter in your

16:09

debate with Jordan so I

16:11

get he's staying with the Lakers as

16:13

he should I believe and

16:17

like you said he played 71 games last year

16:19

Rob that's the most he's played as a Laker.

16:21

Because you remember he's been hurt almost every year.

16:23

Yeah yeah well yeah he has I mean the

16:27

lockout or the pandemic year

16:29

but that was a three four month hiatus

16:31

where his body could heal up Anthony

16:34

Davis 76 games last year was his

16:36

career high so we hope

16:39

we get that again from them but

16:41

no guarantee yeah I mean no

16:44

guarantee. Odds would say especially with

16:46

LeBron's age odds would say

16:48

that he's probably not gonna play that many

16:50

games this year but I'm

16:52

with you but what say you guys

16:54

877 99 on Fox

16:56

do you think LeBron James got

16:59

two-year contract with the Lakers do

17:01

you think he will win another championship

17:04

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for now let's go to some baseball

21:50

and what a year we

21:53

are having. My goodness.

21:57

A lot of great stories going on.

22:00

But none greater I'd

22:03

say than the

22:05

chance that we might see

22:07

something Rob that

22:09

we haven't seen in what?

22:14

91 is my math, right? 91

22:19

years Do

22:22

you know what it is? What

22:25

two triple crown winners two triple

22:27

crown winners in the same season

22:31

Last time it was done Chuck

22:35

Klein Philadelphia Phillies in

22:38

the NL and Jimmy Fox Philadelphia

22:42

athletics in the

22:44

AL and Now

22:46

Rob Aaron judge of the Yankees

22:49

Leads the American League

22:51

and everything batting average home

22:54

runs RBI Right

22:56

show Hale tiny of the Dodgers in the

22:58

NL Leads the NL

23:01

in home runs and batting average

23:03

not our third in RBI, but

23:05

he's only four back. So What

23:09

do you think this is awesome and right

23:11

and it's also two of the flagship Franchises

23:15

LA and New York coast right like

23:17

I mean you couldn't ask for

23:19

more than this No, the only thing you could

23:21

ask Chris is those two teams

23:23

meeting the World Series like that would write

23:25

for baseball That would be thought you're right.

23:27

There's obviously a chance of that They're

23:30

both right. That would be great and

23:32

the Dodgers and Yankees haven't met Chris

23:35

in the World Series since 1981

23:37

it's been a long Time.

23:39

I remember but this is Yeah

23:43

Fernando Valenzuela This

23:46

is the thing that yeah, that was

23:48

a Fernando mania Chris was wrong. It

23:50

was crazy people were like I remember

23:53

Going to when he first pitched at Shea

23:56

Stadium as a kid and

23:58

you know, the Mets were terrible team Chris

24:00

they sold out the night that like

24:03

like no it was huge right. That

24:05

was the walk up of people. I

24:07

want to watch this guy pitch. Yeah

24:09

and then you know I mean again

24:12

we've talked about baseball was the

24:14

biggest sport at that time. And

24:18

so you know now of course a lot

24:20

of national focus is on football and basketball.

24:23

But at that time it was just as

24:25

much if not more on baseball. And

24:27

so Valenzuela was huge huge

24:29

star. He

24:32

really was and this

24:34

is something I mean Aaron Judge

24:36

Chris he has like 80 RBIs

24:40

Chris like

24:43

80 RBIs Chris. He

24:47

has like 80 so he's on pace right

24:49

there right around the halfway point of the

24:51

83 right now. He's

24:53

got 83 RBIs. He's gonna have 160 like what's

24:55

the record. You

24:59

know he was Hack Wilson Chris 190. Okay

25:02

way back. Let me let me

25:04

look it up. I want to make sure but it's

25:06

Hack Wilson. I know it's Hack Wilson. I'm not sure

25:08

the number Chris. I want to say 190. Okay

25:12

okay. But but but this

25:15

is something to watch these guys perform and

25:17

it would have been interesting Chris had they

25:19

both been in the same league because you

25:21

know the only two guys. Hack Wilson 191.

25:25

See one I was pretty good. That's not bad off the top

25:27

of my head 191. Lou Gehrig

25:29

second 185. Yeah I

25:31

mean he's an incredible Hack Wilson. How do you have

25:33

Chris and that wasn't 154 games right. Right

25:38

right. That's where a

25:40

lot of the records were. Yeah

25:42

it's crazy. Yeah 1930. But

25:45

Aaron Judge and what he's done and

25:48

Shohei Quietly the Dodgers are a

25:50

little understated Chris. They

25:52

were supposed to be the Beatles. They played

25:54

well the start. Mookie got hurt. You know

25:56

like like they're they're winning their 20 games

25:58

over 500. and whatnot,

26:01

but they're a little understated,

26:05

but not show-hand. Well, I mean, the record

26:07

is basically the same as the Yankees. Right.

26:11

But I mean, and you know in baseball, it's just...

26:14

But I'm saying the expectations for the Dodgers

26:16

were bigger. Would you admit that? But do

26:18

you think... Well, I'm talking

26:21

about going into the team. The roster is incredible.

26:23

Right. But just, you know

26:25

this. I mean, knowing baseball, I don't... I

26:29

just don't think that with the nature of the sport, I

26:31

just don't think you can say, oh, they've

26:33

got, you know, five all-star

26:36

hitters in their lineup. They're gonna be...

26:38

You can say they're gonna win the division. They're gonna be

26:40

great and have a chance to win the World Series. But

26:44

it doesn't mean I'm expecting them to win 116 games. You

26:48

know what I mean? That's all I'm saying. Yeah.

26:51

That's the hard part in baseball. Because as you know,

26:54

if you don't have pitching, Chris, in the postseason,

26:56

it doesn't matter. If you don't get timely hitting,

26:58

it's not about scoring 13 runs. It's

27:01

about getting two out knocks. You

27:03

know what I mean? Yeah. Stuff like

27:05

that. To hit a sacrifice fly with a man on

27:07

third to get him in with less than two outs. Things

27:10

like that you have to be able to

27:12

do. But this is incredible

27:14

to see because I was saying Shohei and

27:16

Judge have been in the American League, Chris,

27:19

when he played for the Angels, right? So

27:22

Shohei won MVP, then Judge

27:24

won and Shohei won. And

27:26

now they're in separate leagues. So now both

27:29

of them could be the MVP and

27:32

they're not competing against each other on that

27:36

because they're in different leagues. But

27:38

both have put together unbelievable years.

27:41

Judge's year is crazy because Shohei

27:44

has what, Chris? You got his number 26

27:46

home runs? The

27:56

big difference is Judge's RBI. Yeah, it's

27:58

80 to what? He's on 364. Shohei's

28:02

got 64. The leader in the

28:04

NL, I think, has 68. So

28:07

yeah, he's not out of the RBI lead.

28:09

Oh, no. He's right there. It's

28:12

an interesting question is, and

28:16

I don't know if there's even an answer, to

28:18

be honest, because which one's more impressive. I

28:21

think Shohei, if

28:23

I had to, I mean, judge, they

28:25

both have a great shot at doing it. But

28:28

I will say this, Rob. Shohei

28:31

has been more consistent.

28:34

I mean, he's from basically from the

28:36

entire season, he's been doing

28:38

the same thing. He actually had

28:40

the same number of homers in RBI

28:43

in each of the first, like in

28:46

March and April, and then in May.

28:48

And now in June, he hit like 12. So

28:52

he kind of upped it. But he's been consistent.

28:54

And we know judge had the slow start. And

28:57

now has been historically great

29:00

over the last 50 games. Yeah, he's like batting

29:02

almost 400 the last 50 games. That's

29:05

a huge sample size. But

29:09

if you ask me to

29:11

bet on one to win it,

29:15

I think I might say Shohei, just

29:18

because he has been this

29:20

consistent the entire season,

29:22

whereas judge was started

29:24

slowly, has been phenomenal, like

29:27

you said, 50 games or so. But

29:30

will he hit another slump? I

29:34

mean, that's fair. And Shohei

29:36

has been more consistent. But

29:38

the stretch that judges had, like that

29:41

April, you remember, Chris, he

29:43

got booed at Yankee Stadium, remember? He got

29:45

booed. It was so

29:47

bad. And people are like, what's

29:50

wrong with judge? Remember he was hurt a little bit

29:52

in spring training. So people were

29:54

like, he entered the season. He wasn't really

29:56

100%. We've

29:58

talked about this on this show a million times. When

30:01

he's healthy, he's as good as anybody's ever

30:03

played the game. When he's healthy. It's

30:05

the only thing that's hard to argue that.

30:08

Right? The only thing that...

30:10

This guy is playing, Chris, center field every

30:12

day in the major leagues, in

30:14

a league where people don't hit over 300 anymore, right? He

30:18

hits for average, for power,

30:20

he drives and runs. He's

30:24

been incredible. He looks like Barry

30:28

Bonds looked in

30:30

those years when he was just off

30:33

the charts. We

30:35

know Bonds was juiced. Judge

30:39

presumably is doing it clean.

30:42

They test everybody. You know what I

30:44

mean. There's a big difference between now

30:47

and back then. Chris, if you remember,

30:50

because you did some of the... They weren't testing

30:52

guys. I did. No, no, no. You

30:55

were the Maguire Sosa. Oh, that's what's right. That's right.

30:57

You were hitting that one. Right. They

30:59

both hit over 60 that year, right? 98,

31:02

I think it was. Yeah, 98. That

31:05

was incredible that year. But this could wind

31:08

up being one of the

31:10

years for the ages. Because, just like we

31:12

talked about, you said how many years?

31:14

90 some odd years? Since 1933. Since

31:16

1933. And

31:19

in the National League, Rob? No one's won

31:21

the Triple Crown since 1937. That's

31:24

crazy. So what's that? 80, whatever.

31:27

80 something years. Now,

31:30

who's the last in the American League? Miguel Cabrara,

31:32

2012. Cabrara on 2012, yep. Now,

31:34

I remember that one very vividly

31:36

because they wanted to

31:38

give Mike Trout the

31:41

MVP that year saying

31:43

he had more walks

31:45

and on base. And I was like, ain't

31:48

no way. Was that an analytics

31:50

driven... Yes, it was analytics against

31:52

the traditional... That's the thing.

31:55

And guess what? The traditional writers won out.

31:58

How you gonna win... Be a

32:00

triple crown winner, Chris, and not one of

32:02

the MVP. I mean, I totally

32:04

agree with you. And let me ask you that. That's a

32:06

good point. Do you feel

32:08

like, as a

32:10

guy that's still very

32:13

involved in MLB, I

32:17

know it's going to be phenomenal if they do

32:19

it or even if one of them does it.

32:21

And it will be celebrated. But

32:24

among the caretakers of the game, and

32:26

I'm particularly talking about the younger ones,

32:30

has the triple crown lost

32:32

a little significance

32:34

to these analytic writers? Because batting

32:36

average, they don't view it like

32:39

it's been viewed historically, right?

32:42

Yeah, you know what? That

32:44

vote, and remember, I was saying

32:46

that the analytical people, Chris, and

32:48

the traditional, there wasn't

32:51

a 50-50 vote or a straight vote. You

32:53

know what I mean? There

32:56

were guys who crossed over who voted for

32:58

Miguel in order for him to win. It wasn't

33:00

strictly down party lines, so to

33:02

speak. So that gave me some

33:04

encouragement that there were analytical people

33:07

who were like, a triple

33:09

crown is a triple crown. And

33:11

for a guy today where so many people don't

33:13

hit 300, he's

33:15

not just swinging for the fences at

33:18

bat. You know, he's driving in runs.

33:20

He's getting doubles, Chris. He's

33:23

cashing in. What don't you like?

33:26

And how could you vote against a guy who

33:32

leads the league in all these categories? And

33:35

I think, Rob, and look, I get the

33:37

analytics, and it's all about what contributes to

33:39

winning and all of that. But

33:42

as you know, baseball, what do they call it?

33:45

An individual team sport. And

33:49

batting average tells you a

33:51

lot. Batting average

33:54

still is one

33:56

of the greatest measures of

33:59

whether an- not a guy as a

34:01

good, great, or bad hitter. I

34:04

mean, it's literally how often you get a

34:06

base hit. And that

34:08

matters. I mean, I get it that a

34:10

walk is as good as a single. But

34:12

that doesn't, because you walk a lot, doesn't

34:15

mean you're as good of a base hitter

34:17

or a hitter as the guy that hits

34:19

330. You know

34:21

what I'm saying? So for individual

34:23

awards, I do think

34:27

the value to me of

34:29

batting average is still

34:32

what it once was, because that's how

34:34

I know this dude is a great

34:36

hitter. I can look at

34:38

it on base percentage separately as well. But

34:41

don't tell me the guy that walks

34:43

a lot is as valuable or as

34:45

good as the guy that might

34:48

not walk quite as much, but hits for

34:50

a higher batting average. Chris, I'll give you

34:52

the perfect example. And that's why I'm not

34:54

all in on the walk. Joey

34:58

Votto walked a lot with Cincinnati a

35:00

great on base percentage. But

35:02

there are at bats and games, Chris, when

35:05

I need Joey Votto to swing the

35:07

bat. I

35:09

don't want you to take a walk so

35:12

that the next guy can make out and

35:14

we don't get the guy in from third

35:16

or from second. So there are times when

35:19

I'm OK if you don't walk, take

35:21

a shot at it. I need an

35:23

RBI single. I need a double. I

35:25

need a run in. Don't just

35:28

take the walk because they really don't want to

35:30

pitch to you. So I'm not going to go

35:32

the other way, pitch with Chris with the pitch

35:34

on the outside corner, you know what I mean?

35:37

Or whatever it is. So I think

35:39

that that is misleading to say,

35:41

well, it gets on base. No, I need

35:43

you to get to drive the run in.

35:45

We're down by one. I

35:48

totally agree. I totally agree. All right,

35:50

877-99 on Fox. Your turn

35:52

to weigh in. Two

35:55

guys, Shohei Otani in the National

35:57

League, Aaron Judge in the American

35:59

League.