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Stormy Daniels. Hornstar

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Stormy Daniels. Please welcome Stormy Daniels.

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Welcome back friends and trolls. This

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is Stormy Daniels and you're listening to Beyond

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the Norm. Your weekly trip

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into the heart of darkness. Let's

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fucking go. Wow. So

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last week's episode with cult deprogrammer Dr.

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Steven Hassan really upset

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the trolls. Which just

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brings me infinite joy. It

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seems they don't really like being called

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brainwashed political zombies. Sorry. Not

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sorry. Well if that pissed

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you off, this week will really get your panties

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in a twist. So just do

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what I do. Might as well take them off now guys.

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Let me regress for a moment however and talk about

0:52

Magga. I'm not talking about

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the misguided folks who watch too much Fox News.

0:56

There's one of those in every family where it's

0:58

kind of become cliche. Hell,

1:00

even I've watched too much Fox News sometimes. You

1:03

know, once Springer went off the air what else was I going to do?

1:06

No. I'm talking about the scary people.

1:10

It's a group of people who fantasize daily about

1:12

their outsized importance in

1:14

this world and the

1:16

possibility that they are being governed by

1:18

this so-called deep state or Antifa or

1:20

Beijing or some unseen mole army where

1:22

the powerful and famous feast on the blood

1:24

of newborn babies. It's

1:27

fucking weird. And it's absurd. And

1:29

so far from reality. But trust

1:31

me, these people are so beyond

1:34

the norm that it's absolutely frightening. And not

1:36

in the cool way like me and, you

1:39

know, porn stars and paranormal investigators. No,

1:41

I mean they live in a world

1:43

where everything is a conspiracy hidden behind

1:45

a digital veil that they gather online

1:47

and in real life. They

1:50

are completely unhinged. January

1:52

6th was their coming out party where the whole

1:55

world saw what, well, I already knew. These

1:57

people are fucking dangerous. Ever

2:00

since I came out against Donald Trump and told the

2:02

truth, they've been chasing me. There's

2:04

not a day that goes by where I'm not

2:06

threatened or harassed. And in the back

2:08

of my mind, I know that somewhere out there, there

2:10

is someone who really wants to harm me.

2:13

That they believe their sick little fantasies. But

2:16

it is what it is. I don't really scare

2:18

easily, so these people, you know, the trolls, the

2:21

maniacs, they're Trumpers, they

2:23

can all fuck themselves. Actually,

2:25

you know what, they probably should go fuck themselves. They

2:28

sell toys for that. You can go

2:31

to stormydanielsdvd.com and get yourself some. 50%

2:33

off, free shipping, my gift, because you really

2:35

need to go fuck yourself. It

2:38

might make you feel better. Then, you know, have

2:40

a juice box, take a nap,

2:43

repeat. All right, I'm going to take

2:45

a little moment to answer some of the listener

2:47

questions. And remember, if you have a question that

2:49

you want me to answer on

2:51

the show, simply tweet it at me. My

2:54

Twitter is at Stormy

2:57

Daniels. Look for the blue checkmark

2:59

and use the hashtag, ask Stormy. So

3:03

Andrew asked me, who is the one person

3:05

you would like to have on the podcast?

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Oh, that's such a hard one because there's so many amazing

3:10

people out there. But my two, number

3:13

one wishlist would be Mark Hamill, because

3:16

obviously who doesn't want to talk to Luke Skywalker,

3:19

the leader of the resistance, right? And

3:21

probably Dave Chappelle. Those would be

3:24

my first two. Ivan

3:26

asked, did I have a nice Christmas? Yes,

3:29

what a nice, what a nice heartfelt

3:33

question that doesn't have

3:35

anything to do with scary politics. Yes, I did.

3:37

I stayed home and spent it with my

3:39

lovely family and my daughter, of course.

3:43

Let's see here. Somebody

3:45

asked, okay, a lot of people, not

3:48

just somebody. I probably had scores of

3:50

people ask me, what

3:52

does Donald Trump smell like? To

3:55

be quite honest, all I could smell was

3:57

my own regret. and

4:01

the abundance of old

4:03

spice that he had obviously washed

4:06

himself with to mask whatever this putrid

4:08

smell is that everyone is referring to. Tom

4:11

Collins asked, �Did I ever meet Norm

4:13

McDonald? I do not believe

4:15

that I ever had the pleasure, no.� And

4:18

one more question. Edward asked me, �In

4:22

my time in the industry, I've seen and been a

4:24

part of some crazy stuff. When

4:26

I say one good and one bad, there was

4:29

a wake-up column and better you personally and

4:31

professionally, I would say the number one thing that

4:33

is not good

4:36

is when the story about me broke

4:38

and everything came to light, how the

4:40

press and shame on you journalists for

4:42

doing this just turned

4:44

my job into clickbait and

4:47

put porn star in front of my

4:49

name. I'm pretty sure that it

4:51

would have never been mentioned if

4:53

it wasn't salacious and clickbait. It would

4:55

not be nearly as exciting as third

4:57

grade teacher Stormy Daniels or used car

5:00

salesman Stormy Daniels or firefighter

5:03

Stormy Daniels. No. It

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was just how weaponized that a legal job

5:08

that I loved so much could

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be used against me. It was

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absolutely weaponized. It was shocking. What is

5:15

a good thing? Well, there's so many good things to

5:17

be quite honest. I

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had the luxury of working for a

5:21

company that really trusted me to write

5:24

and direct my own scripts and

5:26

supported me in all of those decisions and

5:29

took the healthcare of their performers, their

5:32

actresses and actors very seriously. But

5:34

if I had to think back into one moment,

5:37

it would either be when I

5:39

won best director for the first time or

5:42

tragically when one

5:46

of my horses passed in a terrible flood

5:48

in the middle of shooting a movie, how

5:51

everyone rallied together and

5:54

donated and things to save

5:56

my other horse who was actually in the hospital at the time.

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best people I have met have been

6:02

in the adult business and

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I stand by that. I really do but

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once again if anybody has any questions please

6:09

tweet them or you could

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tag me on Instagram but just make sure

6:15

you use the hashtag ask a stormy or

6:17

you will be ignored. If you can't follow

6:19

simple instructions I'm not going to answer your

6:21

questions. Anyway

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I digress. You'd think after eight years

6:29

of this bullshit we'd be doing that people

6:31

would get tired and move on to something else. Yet

6:34

here we are here we still

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are. Four years after

6:38

he was thrown out of office and tried

6:41

to deny the election Trump is

6:43

going to be the GOP nominee for president.

6:46

Not only that but the fuckers winning.

6:48

Somehow he has convinced people that what he

6:50

did was not so bad that their lives

6:53

are better when he was president and they

6:55

should just put him back in power even

6:57

if that means doing it from jail. But

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I am here to bear witness against that fact that

7:03

the man is indeed a monster.

7:06

That the people who do his bidding are in

7:08

fact evil and his

7:10

ride-or-die followers are fucking insane.

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Well my next guest spent 11 months

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undercover with these people. When Amanda

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Moore lost her job she decided to

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go undercover in Megaland attending

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Q-non events and the

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CPAC hanging out with neo-Nazis and blood

7:27

and soil fascists and hanging

7:29

around with proud boys at Harry's Bar in

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the lead-up to the January 6th Capitol riot.

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But what her new friends didn't know was that she

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was often recording them and the

7:39

result of the chilling portrait of what

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the right looks like from the inside.

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Here's what Amanda said about her journey in the article

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she wrote for the nation and

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I quote, I was motivated by

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my belief that the fascist threat to the

7:53

country was misunderstood by much of the press

7:55

and far more dangerous than what was being

7:57

reported. At first I had planned

8:00

only to sell the audio from stop

8:02

the steal rallies to a podcast and write

8:04

a couple of blog posts. But I found

8:06

myself wanting to get a behind the scenes

8:09

look at the far right movement to

8:11

go to events from which the press was banned

8:14

and observed these extremists when

8:16

they felt they were in their safe space. So

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the project grew into something far

8:21

bigger, a long term infiltration of

8:23

the network of young white nationalists

8:25

in America." Amanda

8:28

Moore, welcome to Beyond the Norm. Hi Amanda,

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nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.

8:32

So lovely to have you. I have so

8:34

many questions. So I went

8:38

down this rabbit hole earlier today. Actually,

8:41

I started yesterday and it was

8:43

so intense that I had to stop, I had

8:45

to take several breaks and walk

8:48

laps around my house because this

8:50

is just intense. And it's so

8:53

much in such a short period of time

8:55

because really you only started this basically in

8:57

2020. But you did spend quite a bit

8:59

of time undercover with

9:01

QAnon and got a lot of

9:03

information, a lot

9:05

of surveillance, if you will, as

9:07

espionage, which sounds way sexier than

9:09

what you were involved with. But

9:12

then you took all of your findings and you

9:15

basically wrote this article about it. Real

9:17

quick for my listeners who have no idea who you

9:19

are or what this is about, can you give me

9:21

a quick summary of what went

9:24

into this, why you did it and all

9:26

of the things? Sure. So I grew

9:28

up evangelical, like my dad, he still

9:30

believes his pastor graces people from the

9:32

dead kind of thing. In fact, his

9:35

church hosted a QAnon event I was supposed

9:37

to go to before I got docked. And

9:40

so I have this background kind of in that

9:42

world. And then I worked in

9:44

live events for years and years. I worked trade shows for

9:46

a living. And of course during COVID, that was

9:48

completely gone. And I always had a

9:50

blog and I thought it wouldn't be fun to be

9:52

a journalist, but it doesn't really pay very well, but

9:54

it pays better than nothing. So I

9:57

went to the Stop the Steel rallies in DC after Trump

9:59

lost the election. I just

10:01

kind of recorded some audio, sold some audio to a

10:03

podcast, figured I'd write a blog post or something. But

10:05

that meant I was at January 6th. And

10:08

so it kind of just kept escalating. So then I went to

10:10

CPAC and got

10:12

recruited by a Nazi to

10:15

help out with its organization. So it kind of

10:17

just kept snowballing. And you

10:19

said in your mother Jones article that this

10:21

whole project basically saved your life. I

10:24

guess most people listening would probably think the

10:26

opposite. It probably endangered your life. So can

10:29

you explain what you meant by that? Yeah,

10:31

I was super depressed. I mean, my business went

10:33

bankrupt. My entire industry was new because there was

10:35

like nothing to pivot to. There wasn't

10:37

like anything else to do.

10:41

And I lost my home. I blew through all

10:43

my savings, that kind of thing. And

10:45

so I was just like, how do you ever get

10:48

this whole, like, there's no, like, what's the point in

10:50

continuing on? So I was really, really, really depressed. But

10:53

it's going to give me something to do. It gave me something to focus

10:55

on instead of how miserable I was. You

10:58

know, most people going through this during COVID, you know,

11:00

they got a cat or an

11:02

Amazon addiction. You decide

11:04

to hunt Nazis and infiltrate

11:07

the killing on. I

11:10

mean, yeah, but

11:12

you did say, even said earlier just now

11:15

that you grew up in a very

11:17

religious household, very evangelical. How

11:19

many of the people involved in this

11:21

do you think that is their background? Because I

11:24

see religion use very

11:26

much to help

11:28

brainwash or to, you

11:31

know, encourage people or basically

11:33

scare the shit out of people into doing this.

11:35

Do you think that most of the people involved

11:37

in this, that is their background, like, super

11:40

religious and they believe that Trump

11:43

or whoever is working with Jesus

11:46

or I mean, it seems so far

11:48

fetched. And I would have never believed

11:50

it myself up until doing lots of

11:53

research and also witnessing it firsthand. Do

11:56

you think that that's basically kind of... how

12:00

people get led into this, that they

12:03

feed off of their religious fears and

12:05

beliefs? Yeah,

12:07

I think, you know, I think when it comes to

12:09

like the younger fascists, I think it's less applicable, or

12:12

at least I didn't notice it as much, but I

12:14

noticed it a lot, especially in the QAnon world, because

12:16

there's like a cadence, the way you talk. I

12:19

mean, first, I broke my arm at one point during

12:21

this, and people were praying in tongues on my arm,

12:23

and it's like the fact that there were people who

12:25

knew how to do that is like, that tells you

12:27

a lot right there. And it was not abnormal. And

12:30

like, nobody looked twice. So everybody kind of had

12:33

to be at least familiar with the concept, you know, it

12:35

wasn't novel. And I think

12:37

like, the way we hear people talk about, oh,

12:39

we have to tell them, we have to tell them

12:41

that the paper masks are going to kill them. We

12:43

have to tell them that the vaccines are going to

12:45

kill them. Even if they hate us, we have to

12:47

tell them, which obviously these things are not true, but

12:49

it's the same like way I would hear, like you

12:51

have to talk about Jesus, you have to tell everybody

12:53

about Jesus, you have to tell the world and they're

12:56

gonna hate you, but you have to do it anyway

12:58

to save their souls. And

13:00

so I do think it is like a

13:02

lot of drawing on those

13:04

familiar phrases and those familiar, you

13:06

know, ways of speaking. And I

13:08

think it makes people feel comfortable.

13:12

And basically it feeds on their sense of duty. And

13:14

in this case, their patriotic duty. It is your duty

13:16

to do this. Think of all the people you're gonna

13:18

save. And the flip side of

13:20

that is if you don't do this, how many

13:22

lives are you are gonna be on your hand?

13:25

Was that what you're saying? Yeah, yeah. Yeah,

13:27

exactly. So during

13:29

this whole process, you eventually were out

13:31

it. You

13:34

were discovered, which meant that you were

13:36

docs and I have a lot of, I'm

13:40

very familiar with that. You know, that happened to

13:42

me repeatedly the first time. It

13:45

wasn't even about political stuff. It was just about,

13:48

before any of this, about like fans in the adult

13:50

business finding out where I lived and religious

13:52

people or people who didn't agree with

13:54

the adult industry, you know, way painting

13:57

my garage and putting my address

13:59

on the internet. And sometimes it was

14:01

just guys who wanted to show up by my underwear. And

14:06

sometimes it was people showing up who

14:08

wanted to kill me because it was

14:10

their duty to save children from the

14:12

evil adult industry. And then fast

14:14

forward to now and people

14:17

putting my phone number on the

14:19

internet or my address or doxing

14:22

people I love or care about, I get a lot

14:24

of people ask all the time, like, why don't you

14:26

ever respond to good tweets? And why do you just

14:28

respond to the negative ones? And

14:30

it's not because I want to, but if I just

14:32

like a nice comment about myself, these people are

14:36

so fanatical that they will go after this. A

14:38

person who just said something nice to

14:40

me and finds out where

14:42

they live and their family lives and docs the

14:45

fuck out of them as well. So it's really scary. So

14:47

can... That's creepy. And

14:49

you straight up poked the hornet's nest,

14:51

that is me. So I mean, I

14:53

think you said in your article that not only were

14:55

you docs, but your parents and your

14:58

family as well, can you explain what

15:00

happened and what the backlash that was

15:02

like? Did you have to... I

15:04

had the higher security. I didn't go... I didn't

15:06

pee by myself for almost two years. Like

15:09

I had armed security. So I

15:11

mean, like, what was it for you? Like, what

15:13

was the backlash on that? Like, did you have

15:15

to move or were these just idle

15:17

threats behind keyboard warriors or were

15:20

you confronted in public? Yeah,

15:22

it's been both. I mean, like, I

15:24

lost my home. So when I got docs, it wasn't

15:26

like I had a home to docs, like whatever, you

15:28

know, I had a PO box. If somebody showed up

15:31

at the UPS store, my old landlord

15:33

was a real asshole. So I guess somebody shows up at

15:35

his house, that's his problem, not mine. But

15:38

like, you know, they, you know, I

15:40

got people that I knew about

15:42

phone calls, people that worked for me because I had

15:44

a business guy, you know, messages. People

15:46

were going to my personal Instagram and trying to

15:48

figure out like who they could DM to get

15:50

information. They were posting my address everywhere, but

15:53

it was like my old address that I had to

15:55

get the home I had lost during COVID. So whatever.

15:58

There was a lot of that. you know, I

16:00

would get photos and times sent to me

16:03

of myself out at bars,

16:06

like on Twitter, DMS and stuff. And

16:10

I would get, you know, people know who

16:12

I am. So I was at CPAC this year, and

16:15

like I had a press pass. But

16:17

of course, these guys who were addressed in

16:19

like literal Nazi cosplay circled me and like

16:22

called me a slut for 10 minutes. And

16:25

they call me the magma mattress. Um,

16:29

it's pretty clever. It's pretty funny. So

16:32

you know, they like whenever they see me in person, they

16:34

hear out somebody comes in waves, you know, it really depends.

16:37

Like if I do something that upsets them, like they were

16:39

upset at CPAC because I was trying to get comment

16:41

for the article that I wrote that came

16:43

out last month. So it

16:45

just really depends on their mood. You know,

16:47

they're they're very fickle with their their targets.

16:50

I feel like they get distracted. I

16:53

was about to say they seem to have like very

16:55

short attention spans, but when they do

16:57

have their attention on you, I I've told my

16:59

assistant one time, it's almost like, I

17:02

don't know if you ever watched The Walking Dead, but

17:04

they're, they're like these zombies and they're, they're not paying

17:06

attention. But you make a noise and suddenly they're all

17:08

like, and come out. Yeah.

17:13

And it's scary, but it's and we're laughing about

17:15

it. But I feel like it's almost like trombobotic.

17:17

It's terrifying when you're in the moment and you

17:19

don't know if something happened to

17:21

yourself or somebody you love or in

17:24

my case, I mean, I I'm a mom, so

17:27

that's a whole separate level of of fear that

17:29

comes with that. But to go to go back

17:31

to the beginning of your story. So basically, you

17:33

know, COVID happens and you

17:36

lost your way of income,

17:38

which happens to a lot of people, you know,

17:40

including me and I work in the entertainment business.

17:42

So, you know, those jobs dried up. I

17:44

couldn't do my standup comedy or do appearances

17:46

or even do movies or anything anymore because

17:48

everything's cut down. And anybody who was a

17:51

waitress or a bartender, like they're the ones

17:53

who felt it the most because we survived

17:55

a lot of tests. And so here

17:57

you are. COVID happens. you're

18:00

alone, no way

18:02

to get income, and explain

18:05

to me that moment where you

18:08

decided, this is what I'm going to do. And

18:11

when you started it, was it just

18:13

sort of, how did it snowball

18:15

basically into this, the

18:18

size of this investigation that you basically

18:20

said? Yeah, I mean,

18:22

so when I knew I could walk to that

18:25

stop the steel rally after the election, I knew I

18:27

was going to immediately. I mean, this is like long,

18:29

deep-seated, like I went to 2014, 2015 BLM

18:32

protests, you know, like

18:35

after Freddie Gray was killed by the

18:38

police in Baltimore and, you know, the infamous

18:40

CBS burning down, I was up there. I

18:43

was at Trump's inauguration. I was at

18:45

a Lure-Lumerali, a Cuban on-rally in 2019.

18:48

So it was very in character for me to go. Like,

18:50

it was never a question of what I go or not.

18:53

I just knew that I would. And the first

18:55

one was kind of whatever. The second one

18:57

was really where a podcast, who I had

18:59

met at one of these

19:02

previous events before COVID, asked me,

19:04

oh, you know, we can't go because of COVID. Can you just,

19:06

you know, go record some audio, some of

19:08

the speeches or whatever, and we'll buy it from you. And I

19:10

was like, okay, cool. But while I was there,

19:12

the way people

19:14

were between that November rally and December

19:16

rally was crazy in November. If you're

19:19

like an old lady, you know,

19:21

and you're like 80 years old and you've got

19:24

a mask on, people left you alone, you

19:26

know. But at the December rally,

19:28

they're like, what are you doing, old lady?

19:30

Take your mask off. COVID's not real. So

19:32

there's this escalation of nobody could wear

19:34

a mask. And

19:36

there was also this paranoia. I was starting to

19:38

hear a lot of, I love

19:40

the police. Like, I totally back the blue.

19:43

But like, these liberal mayors, these liberal governors

19:45

are really tying their hands. And they can't,

19:47

they're on our side, but they can't do

19:49

anything. And it's, you know, the police

19:51

are such a problem. And

19:54

this one lady told me a story about how

19:56

she had almost gotten jumped at

19:58

the last rally, she said. It was very

20:00

scary. And of course, while

20:02

this was happening, in the background, Alex Jones was

20:04

yelling into him a megaphone. And

20:06

I was this paranoid delusional woman talking to

20:09

me. And I'm like, this is what hell is.

20:12

And she was like, I was so scared last time I

20:14

was here in DC. My phone

20:16

was dead, and I lost track of my friends. And I

20:18

was walking down the street, and some guys came running at

20:20

me. And I was like,

20:22

and then what? And she goes, you know?

20:24

And then they ran past, but they almost dropped

20:26

me. And I'm like, so some guys are out for

20:28

a jog. Oh my god. I'm

20:30

so crazy. Everybody

20:33

here is out to get me. And they really believed me. And

20:36

that night, people got stabbed that night.

20:38

And Proud Boys all

20:41

got together in groups of four or five.

20:44

And they were marching around the city, literally

20:46

marching. It was really crazy. It

20:48

was like they really thought they were soldiers. And people

20:50

were really cheering them on. And there

20:52

was an older couple in their 60s or so.

20:55

And the guy was like, the woman was like,

20:58

I don't condone violence. I

21:00

don't like what happened. And her husband goes, well, if

21:02

a Proud Boys stabbed the guy, he must have had

21:05

a good reason. And why would that guy

21:07

have been over here anyway if he wasn't going to hurt

21:09

us? This is like a whole city. People

21:11

live here, man. People are allowed

21:13

to be outside of their homes, right? And

21:16

so I knew. I was like, there's something crazy that's

21:18

going to happen next time, because these

21:21

people are so riled up. And

21:24

then of course, they say, you kind

21:26

of answered my question already. But

21:28

just to clarify, you're saying the

21:31

space between this is basically 30 days.

21:34

Like that's almost exactly. That's

21:36

how fast it escalated. Because I was going to

21:39

say, I was going to ask you, how

21:43

did you see the trajectory change from back when you

21:45

first started this in like 19 and 2020 to now?

21:49

Obviously, it's escalated. But you're saying that

21:52

happened within 30 days,

21:54

how fast? That's

21:56

so unsettling. I've

22:01

been telling people that the

22:03

same thing for me back in 2018 when my story broke,

22:05

I kept

22:07

getting these threats and whatnot. But back

22:09

then, 95% of them were, you know,

22:12

faceless people

22:14

on the internet, they would make bot accounts or

22:17

create like a fake account

22:19

to harass me. And it was it was like,

22:21

you're a liar, you're a slut, you're a

22:24

gold digger, like, okay, whatever, go fuck

22:26

yourself. And then this time

22:28

around, but it's been, you

22:30

know, several years, they're saying like,

22:32

very specific, like, they're not

22:34

afraid anymore, is what I'm saying. Like, I feel

22:36

like they feel like they are

22:39

justified. They're doing their patriotic duty. They're

22:41

not hiding behind burner accounts or fake

22:43

accounts. People are actually texting me from

22:46

their real cell phone number. They're not even

22:48

blocking their number anymore. Like, I

22:50

can Google this, you know what I

22:52

mean? And, and they're not saying, you

22:54

know, they're not using just a an

22:57

account that they created just to call me

22:59

names. They're they're being very specific. So I

23:01

have seen that escalate to become very scary.

23:04

But in my instance, I thought it

23:06

kind of took years. And you're saying this is

23:08

escalated in less than a

23:10

month. So can you imagine how quickly

23:12

this paranoia and this, you

23:14

know, we've all heard the joke that they're drinking the

23:17

Kool-Aid. But what's in the

23:19

Kool-Aid? This is really, you know, terrifying. So

23:21

my next question is like, we're

23:24

getting ready for the 2024 election. So

23:26

that's just basically adding fuel

23:29

to this fire. I mean, how

23:32

active do you think these groups are? Is

23:34

it going to continue to escalate? I mean, you

23:36

were in the trenches, you've seen the trajectory

23:39

better than anyone, because they didn't know who you were. So

23:41

they had no filter when they were talking to you, at

23:43

least I'm a little bit of a public figure. And I

23:45

have like a pretty famous, you know,

23:48

social media presence. And I'll screenshot somebody

23:50

in a second. But they didn't

23:52

know what they were talking to when they were talking to

23:54

you. So in your

23:56

opinion, because I mean, it's all speculation, I understand that

23:59

like in your opinion, opinion, how

24:01

active are these groups going to be? And where do you think

24:03

it's going to end up? So it's

24:05

really interesting, because like, you know, everybody is

24:08

so paranoid, they're all like, everyone's the fed,

24:10

like, I'm not a fed, my friends

24:12

aren't fed, but everybody else is a

24:15

fed. And they're like, really afraid to

24:17

meet up in large groups together, which

24:19

is awesome. I will say, you

24:21

know, I if I was going to be

24:23

a fascist, I would not be out

24:26

there fighting that is just like, I'm not doing that.

24:28

It's a lot of work. I'm never going to do and

24:30

so I became the fake kind of fascist,

24:32

this is more than my personality. And

24:35

so I went to Portland to go on a

24:37

picnic date, overlooking a Proud Boys

24:39

riot with his Nazi. And

24:41

you know, he said, well,

24:44

it gets worse because the the riot, the cops

24:46

got them to move their riot into an abandoned

24:49

Kmart parking lot. And then they flipped a truck

24:51

and tear gas themselves. So that was like a

24:53

home. And my

24:55

my my Nazi date, he was so

24:57

disappointed. He's like, these people are supposed

24:59

to sacrifice their bones and bodies for

25:01

us and glows, but we can

25:04

dominate and he's like, they are

25:06

outward people. They are embarrassing. You

25:08

can't take them inside. They you

25:11

know, they're just uncultured uncivilized. And

25:13

their job is to fight

25:15

the wars. And then you know, we come in and make the

25:18

law. And so that is

25:20

like, that was my perspective. So that's like who

25:22

I knew. So the group that I everybody

25:25

I knew when I was undercover, that was a

25:27

fascist involved with one group called Republicans for National

25:29

Renewal. And that group is still active. They had

25:31

a they had a caucus

25:33

come out called the America First Caucus. It

25:36

was all about preserving our Anglo sex and

25:38

traditions. And it got leaked to

25:40

the media. And so it got scrapped. But

25:42

you know, they are going to Hungary, they are

25:45

giving speeches. They're one of the members

25:48

or maybe former members as the president

25:50

of the biggest young Republican club in

25:52

the country. And so you know, I

25:54

know that at least for

25:56

the indoor people, they're

25:59

going to be very And they're going to

26:01

be doing whatever they can do to get

26:03

Trump elected. It's the most important thing in the

26:05

world to them. And it's crazy because it's like,

26:07

what if he dies? I mean,

26:10

anything could happen. Like I have no idea

26:12

what they're going to do if something like

26:14

that comes up because there's been what? What's

26:17

the backup plan? You know, I've

26:19

actually wondered that myself and what kind

26:21

of conspiracy theory would come up. You

26:24

know, if that happens and or,

26:26

you know, he goes to prison. There's

26:29

no law that says that he can't be president

26:31

from jail, which to me is just I

26:35

can't even wrap my head around it. You know what I

26:38

mean? And going

26:40

back to the indoor, outdoor, that's really funny, by the

26:42

way. In your

26:44

article about January 6, you described this

26:47

moment where a bunch of proud boys

26:49

lifted their kilts, their skirts. Let's just

26:51

let that soak in for a moment.

26:53

They're, you know, wearing kilts and

26:55

they had a fuck Antifa on their

26:57

on their butts, like written or tattooed

26:59

or something. So basically, they're they're a

27:02

bunch of fat boys and

27:04

their behaviors. And

27:06

do you think that that's how

27:08

do I ask this? How do I phrase this? Do

27:10

you think that's really how they are? Or do you

27:12

think that it's kind of their cover to make them

27:15

all? They're just boys being boys. So sort of infiltrate

27:17

more. Do you understand what I'm saying? Like, yeah,

27:19

it's almost like, oh, like

27:22

they just I mean, you

27:24

see, I've seen these videos of these of

27:26

them on and they're just, you know, drinking

27:28

and being stupid. So that almost

27:33

so we don't take them serious because they're just

27:36

fat boys or, you know,

27:38

I'm saying, or do you think that that's kind

27:40

of their cover and they're I don't want to

27:43

call them smart, but that

27:45

they really have a more sinister and violent agenda

27:47

and that they they've planned this

27:49

sort of behavior to be overlooked

27:53

in a way. And do you know what I'm saying? Yeah,

27:55

I think it's I think it's both. I think

27:57

people at the upper levels, I think are probably.

28:00

more together, you

28:02

know, than like the lower levels.

28:04

But like, yeah, like if you're

28:06

sympathetic towards those beliefs,

28:09

and you're like some guy and it's like

28:11

20s or 30s, and you miss college

28:15

or whatever, you want to go and drink

28:17

and party with your friends to support your

28:19

president like, yeah, it's like a great recruitment

28:21

thing. It's a great disarming thing for the

28:23

population. Yeah, that's what I was like. Yeah.

28:26

Yeah. And I think I think it but I think

28:28

it's also like legitimately, I think they are attracting people

28:30

who like, just enjoy that kind of

28:32

stuff. Which is, I

28:35

know people that I

28:38

would not be surprised, you know, people from my past,

28:40

I knew in high school or whatever, I would not

28:42

be surprised if they were the proud voice. I'm like,

28:45

this is your vibe. Like you're like the 27 year

28:47

old at the high school party, still drinking, like, what

28:49

are you doing? Go away. I feel like that's a

28:51

lot of what you see with the proud voice.

28:55

Yeah, I read something else that you've

28:57

been that in a lot of instances,

28:59

these people are actually working

29:02

on campaigns and congressional campaign

29:04

managers or on their staff.

29:09

Does the people that work for do

29:11

they know? Or are they completely oblivious?

29:14

You know, like, if I was running for office

29:16

and I have this huge staff, there's there's a

29:18

chance, especially when you get into like the, you

29:21

know, the bigger offices that you don't know

29:23

every single person working for you. Do you

29:27

think that they know that they have

29:29

these basically implants in their

29:31

in their circle or not? I think

29:34

some do and some don't.

29:37

You know, in the article in the nation, one thing

29:39

I talked about is a guy Nelson who I went

29:41

to visit in Portland my my not to date. And

29:44

he got fired from Joe Kim's

29:48

campaign because he was like, this,

29:51

I, the campaign did not tell me

29:53

this somebody else told me that he

29:55

was so him and his girl were

29:57

so aggressively like, racist, but

30:00

People were like, they must be journalists because

30:02

this is weird. But no, they're

30:04

just like really committed to being racist. And

30:07

eventually they did get fired because

30:10

that was flagged to the campaign. But

30:13

I mean, there's other people like this

30:16

caucus that they wrote, the America

30:18

First Caucus, I know

30:20

for a fact that Marjorie Taylor Green and Paul Koss

30:22

are new about it because I heard them talking

30:24

about it in front of them. And

30:27

when I got leaked to the press and the press was

30:29

like, this is super racist, we can't have this. Both

30:32

go so on green, we're like, I

30:34

never heard of this, must have been a staffer. And

30:36

it's like, what? But I just, I have

30:38

a recording of you guys like talking about this.

30:41

And so I think it is a little

30:43

bit of both. Like there's no way it

30:45

goes on green or oblivious to who's been

30:48

on their staff. But if you're running

30:50

for office, I

30:52

think it's much more feasible. But people that are like

30:54

actually working with you, you must know. Of

30:57

course, like Marjorie Taylor Green is a complete

30:59

lunatic. I mean, she came after me, she

31:01

came after me publicly. And I

31:03

was just like, wait, she called me

31:05

like old or something. And I'm like, bitch,

31:08

you're five years older than me. What

31:10

are you doing? And then

31:12

like, call me a slut or something. I'm like,

31:14

I'm not the one whose husband left me because I

31:16

was banging someone at CrossFit. Like,

31:20

they're just so delusional. I'm

31:22

gonna get in so much trouble for this, but I don't care.

31:26

But that's the thing is they just seem to be

31:28

completely devoid of

31:31

logic. And

31:33

I just, I can't wrap my head around it. So, you

31:36

know, of all the people that you've met

31:38

or that you came across in this, who

31:42

scared you the most? If you don't wanna say

31:44

you don't have to, but like in terms

31:47

of their ability and their intention

31:49

to carry out violence or incite

31:51

violence and overthrow whatever, like who

31:53

do you think, was

31:56

there anybody that you were actually really afraid of? And

31:59

I was personally afraid. of for

32:01

physical safety? No, no.

32:03

In the time since I've met

32:06

two people that hate me quite

32:08

passionately. But they stand out

32:10

in my mind as people that, you know,

32:13

I, I would be

32:15

worried about if I fell with no one else around.

32:19

But generally, I have found I mean, one

32:21

of these guys had a little Nazi club

32:24

meeting and he had a recruitment here in DC.

32:26

And that's my city and I live here. And

32:28

so I went, I was open to the

32:30

public. So I went, and he was shocked

32:33

that I was there. And I'm like, well,

32:35

yeah, cuz you're a fucking coward and you

32:37

wouldn't come but I am not a coward.

32:39

So here I am. So fine. I look

32:41

at what I personally know, when it comes

32:43

to violence or physical confrontation, they are

32:45

afraid. Um, that

32:49

being said, I think like, I

32:51

think that the people within R&R, so like

32:54

Gavin wax, this is the president of the

32:56

New York and Republican Club, I wouldn't say

32:58

I'm necessarily afraid of him. But like, he's

33:00

very good at the extreme

33:04

and presentable at the same time.

33:06

And I think that's worrisome, you

33:08

know, when people are able to, to

33:11

kind of fully

33:13

platform extremists and have their hand

33:15

and a lot of things and

33:17

at the same time, get, you

33:20

know, nice little pieces written up about them in

33:22

the Atlantic and the New York Times like that

33:24

very alarming. And or not see he's

33:26

an indoor, not see the indoor guy. He's not

33:29

sacrificing his bones and body. Oh my god.

33:31

So I'm, I'm a, you know,

33:33

I'm gonna dive in for just like, cuz I just want to

33:35

know for my own personal reason. Did

33:37

you tell your family or your friends that

33:40

you were doing this when you started out

33:42

and are like, bro, like

33:44

this is a super personal question. Like, I

33:46

just want to know, like, I

33:49

feel like it would be kind of like when a

33:51

preacher finds out his daughter's doing

33:53

porn. Like, I just like, did

33:55

you tell them or Okay,

34:00

so did grandma stumble across it on the internet like

34:02

happened to some of my friends with Pornhub? Okay,

34:05

so at some point, my mom, I had

34:07

to be, this is May

34:09

2021, so I slept in November,

34:12

so May 2021, I slept in Pueblo,

34:16

Colorado to go to their Lincoln Day dinner

34:18

because Lauren Boebert was their keynote speaker. And

34:21

my mom was just like, oh yeah,

34:23

I was telling you know so and so that

34:25

you got to meet Lauren Boebert and isn't that

34:27

so exciting? And I'm like, why

34:30

do you think I'm going to be the dance mom? And

34:34

she's like, oh, you don't like Lauren Boebert? And

34:36

I'm like, oh,

34:38

okay, we're doing this. And

34:41

so I don't know that my mom has ever

34:44

read anything. I think she's like read my

34:46

writing that is not about being undercover. I'm

34:48

very unclear if she's read it about being

34:50

undercover because it's like she's just like, oh

34:52

no, you must be a fan

34:54

of Trump even though she knows I'm not a fan of

34:56

Trump, like famously not a fan of Trump. My

34:59

dad is so

35:01

excited about everything. He knew very little,

35:04

like he knows the capital, but because

35:06

he's so involved in his church, I was like, I don't

35:09

want to say stuff to people. So I didn't really

35:11

tell him to imagine told us over and then he's

35:13

like so excited about it. And he's like overlooking, you

35:15

know, like, that I'm disrespecting to all

35:17

Trump. He's like willing to overlook it because he's so excited

35:19

that I'm in a magazine. And

35:22

then a lot of my friends like knew because you've got

35:24

to like tell because I would go like to stuff

35:27

and I have a comeback. I'm

35:30

like, well, you know, I was just at a

35:32

massless gathering of 2000 people

35:34

in Florida. So let me

35:36

know if you want to get some drinks

35:39

at the outdoor bar later or

35:41

not, because, you know, you got

35:43

to like explain why. But like, you

35:45

know, like a dating and stuff like I couldn't meet new

35:47

people because of the next question. Yeah, like I like what

35:49

I'm wanting with the guys like what do you do for

35:51

a living? I'm like, oh, then. Oh,

35:55

but it's like February 2021, like

35:57

nobody is doing events like what am I. house

40:00

was, he was

40:03

about to foreclose in his house, but it

40:05

was really stupid. It wasn't like because they

40:07

didn't pay their mortgage. It was like they

40:09

had a fight with their HOA and they

40:11

weren't paying their HOA fees and HOA was

40:13

allowed to then like take like possession of

40:15

the house or something. Very convoluted, very dumb,

40:18

but it didn't really matter because he was

40:20

beating his wife. And

40:22

like, of course, you know,

40:24

scratch a cult later, find an abuser. And

40:28

so it was just like all of a sudden you're like,

40:30

you know, like there's these children and of course

40:32

these people like cannot be reasoned with, like they

40:35

don't care. Yeah, he's, you know, that's fake, you

40:37

know, she's a liar, like whatever. But yeah, this

40:39

is this is why it, I

40:41

don't think it started off with him

40:43

believing that JFK was coming back, but

40:45

this is like how they like kind

40:48

of like turned it into and then

40:50

he became, I believe he became JFK.

40:52

So now there's like an assortment if

40:54

you depend on what flavor, like whichever

40:56

the JFK juniors you wish to believe

40:58

in, there's multiple for you to choose

41:00

from. You can just kind of there's

41:02

like four reincarnations at this point of

41:04

a JFK. Yeah, which is kind of like

41:06

a rambling answer. This isn't really, really

41:09

isn't very, you answered, but

41:11

I still have no fucking

41:13

idea. Like, yeah, this

41:15

whole time, is he cloned himself?

41:18

Is he like the second coming? Also they're

41:21

forgetting that JFK was a Democrat.

41:23

Oh, well he was an old Democrat, but now

41:25

he would not be Democrat. Now he would be

41:27

a big Donald Trump supporter, obviously. Like

41:29

Trump, he used to be a Democrat. He's

41:31

changed parties, like was it five or nine

41:33

times or something crazy? Like, you know, some

41:37

people think that Trump's

41:40

a time traveler. But

41:44

look on your face. Can

41:48

you imagine him trying to figure out the buttons in the

41:50

time machine? No, I can't.

41:52

I think I don't think he could do it.

41:54

He was not even about to try. I

41:57

think he gave him the time machine. He's the one that bought it.

42:00

machine is his golden toilet. I just figured

42:02

it out. So maybe

42:04

JFK is also time traveling.

42:08

Who can say really, you know, it's a choose

42:10

your own adventure, mask, whatever you want. Let

42:14

me see. I've

42:16

totally gone off of all my

42:18

questions into some weird tangent about

42:20

time traveling toilets and

42:23

JFK. But let's see here.

42:26

You wrote about what has become part of the far

42:31

right playbook harassing threatening GOP

42:34

politicians, local, you know, local and

42:36

school board members, you know,

42:38

families who support them until they quit their positions,

42:41

basically driving out these people so that they can

42:43

be replaced with

42:46

more radical individuals that share

42:48

their their fastest politics. Which

42:51

is, I hate to give an incredibly

42:53

kind of a smart thing to do, you know, you want

42:55

to harass these people at the local level, so

42:58

that they quit so that you can put in people of your

43:00

choosing and then work with the

43:02

latter. Can is that how

43:05

that's worked? Is that how that works? Is that part

43:07

of their playbook? Can you explain that a little bit?

43:09

And that's yeah. And you saw that

43:12

they actually like to do that. Lynn

43:15

Wood did it. Lynn would tell

43:18

Trump, one of his many attorney friends. He

43:21

did it in Greenville, South Carolina. He was part

43:24

of it had been

43:26

people who had formerly been part of the tea party. They

43:29

took over the local GOP in Greenville, South

43:31

Carolina. They became complete lunatics.

43:33

All of the regular Republicans got completely

43:35

chased out. They were harassing them, harassing

43:37

their children. And they were using, you

43:39

know, a lot of this was like,

43:41

well, we have Lynn Wood on our

43:43

side, you know. So they,

43:46

you know, they were using him to like, you know,

43:48

draw people in to like, get speeches so you

43:50

have more people in

43:52

the door kind of like focused on you, which

43:55

was genius, you know, because he was new to

43:57

South Carolina and he was running for office there

43:59

or something. something. And everybody

44:01

who had been involved with the GOP,

44:04

to my knowledge, quit and the

44:06

grid of GOP got completely taken over.

44:08

And you see that too, in Michigan,

44:10

I think if you picked up like

44:13

10 people from the Michigan GOP and

44:15

just put them in like a Roman

44:17

Coliseum, you know, you could sell tickets

44:19

because there would be a fight to the death. These

44:21

people hate each other so much. Like

44:24

they completely despise each other. Which is

44:26

part of the problem, is just because

44:28

you're able to run

44:31

out all of the normal Republicans when

44:33

you're putting in a bunch of lunatics

44:36

together. That's a lot of big personalities that

44:38

might get along. And

44:40

it seems to be like kind of example.

44:42

Yeah, right. Exactly. And so, yeah, it keeps

44:45

happening over

44:48

and over, though a lot of times it does seem

44:50

to hit a wall when these people get in their

44:53

feelings with each other. Right.

44:56

People are sleeping with each other's wives, you

44:58

know, of course they are. And they

45:01

say I'm the dirty one. I mean,

45:06

I make the joke all the time, my job's a

45:09

lot less dirty than politics. And

45:12

at least I'm honest about the screwing. But

45:15

so what's next for you? Like, you

45:17

know, I mean, you can't really, you've

45:20

been out it, you've been docked, everybody knows your

45:22

face. What do

45:25

you think? What is next for for Amanda? Like, what

45:27

do you want to do? So

45:29

I'm going to keep covering the group that I

45:31

knew. I

45:34

was actually just at last month,

45:36

I was at the Republican National

45:38

Convention, because one of the guys

45:40

that I wrote about was there. And

45:44

he's the real asshole. People don't

45:46

like him. They don't like his politics.

45:48

They don't like him personally. So they're

45:50

like pretty neutral or okay with me,

45:52

depending, you know. And so

45:55

I'm going to just keep writing about him,

45:57

I think, and about this group. And

46:00

then we'll see where that goes. But

46:03

yeah, that is like the one thing is that because so many

46:05

of these people were so mean to everybody. Once

46:08

I started writing about them, like sources

46:10

came out of the woodwork to be like, yeah,

46:12

he's a real jerk. Let me tell you some

46:14

more about him. So that's been nice. And

46:16

you're not scared? No,

46:19

no, I don't think so. You're gonna

46:21

create a change later. Yeah, exactly. It's

46:23

like whatever. You're gonna create a change. It's

46:29

like good luck. Good luck guys. I

46:31

love it. I love it. Well,

46:34

is there anything that you wanna add anything that

46:36

I've may have forgotten that you wanna tell everybody?

46:40

I mean, my mind is just spinning. I'm still in the

46:42

gold toilet with JFK. I

46:47

don't know. I don't think so. I'm trying

46:49

to like think if there's anything very interesting. I

46:51

mean, I will say it was really

46:53

hard. I

46:57

was at a baptism. It was

46:59

supposed to be a beach baptism, but

47:02

then it was like an after party. So

47:05

you know, you go to a conference, like the after party is like,

47:07

everybody goes get drunk at the bar. That's not what happened. They

47:10

were like, we're gonna go to the beach baptism. And

47:12

then everybody got kicked out of the beach baptism because it

47:14

was private property. So then we're just sitting in a parking

47:16

lot and there's like a dumpster next to us and

47:19

we're holding hands. But my arm was broken. So thankfully I

47:21

didn't have to hold anybody's hand. We

47:23

were praying for the Lord, Sibless,

47:25

Lynn Wood and Donald Trump. And

47:28

we're face typing Lynn Wood and

47:30

the guys, like, does anybody have any questions for Lynn Wood? And

47:32

this woman is like, asking if

47:34

Donald Trump's a time traveler. And

47:37

your reaction that you had when I told you Donald

47:39

Trump was a time traveler, it's exactly the reaction that

47:41

I had. But you know, I was able to

47:43

like cover stuff up because I was like, oh, my arm's

47:45

broken. I'm just in a lot of pain right

47:47

now. I'm sorry. It's pills, I swear. It's pills.

47:51

I do believe, I do believe. I'm

47:53

just, you know, yeah. Just

47:56

a lot of my time was

47:58

just hearing the same. that I'm saying

48:00

to you and having to like process in real time

48:02

like that is so great and true and

48:05

I also believe that like so

48:07

just imagine that I guess. Alright

48:10

on one serious note even though

48:12

it's hard to take any it's

48:14

terrifying and I'm taking it

48:17

serious but like at the same time it's baffling.

48:21

Do you have a message for the not insane

48:25

American public like

48:28

because I think that people don't I

48:31

mean I have

48:33

firsthand knowledge I've been involved with this I have

48:35

seen what they've done to me I've seen what

48:37

they've said about me apparently I'm a man even

48:39

though I have a video of me having a

48:41

child pulled out of my body you know

48:44

I apparently am an NXM and I have

48:46

a brand on my stomach even though I

48:48

have the video of the tattoo artist hovering

48:50

my C-section scar like like

48:53

all these crazy things that if I hadn't

48:55

actually lived it and they say it I'm

48:57

like there's no way that this is this

48:59

is true I'm apparently a clone which I

49:01

fucking wish because I don't like to put health work

49:03

like I wish some of these things about me were

49:06

true but they're not so yes

49:09

these people are really like this yes they

49:11

believe this yes they are paranoid and it

49:13

is escalating at a rapid pace and it

49:15

is it is terrifying. Do

49:18

you have anything that you would like to say to

49:21

someone who's just like this can't be real? Oh

49:23

my god it's so real I mean this is a thing

49:26

you know right now I'm talking to the

49:28

people and the DCM Republicans because

49:30

they DCM Republicans obviously used to

49:32

be fairly moderate because DC and

49:36

they have recently been taken over by

49:38

lunatics and sometimes when people

49:40

are telling me about the DCM Republicans

49:43

we all have to just stop and laugh because everything

49:45

sounds so crazy but these are people who are like

49:47

telling me like traumatic stories that happened to them like

49:49

you know people coming in just like like it was

49:52

described to me as groping women left and right and

49:55

we're like what and he's like yeah no really they were just like

49:57

going around like grabbing a boob grabbing a boob grabbing a boob grabbing

49:59

a boob that she, you know, and it's

50:01

just like, it sounds so rude, like a cartoon,

50:04

like it sound like that's like a cartoon villain

50:06

would do that, you know, just so silly. And

50:08

like, just some of the stuff that they would

50:10

say, like the way they instigate fight. And

50:14

then what happened? These people took over and now they're

50:16

down there in power in the PCC young Republicans Club,

50:18

right? And that's a very, you know, small, like, you

50:20

know, example and all the normal people have left. If

50:22

you're a normal person or a Republican, you do not

50:24

want to be involved with the PCC Republicans. They're not

50:26

taken seriously in the GOP

50:29

or locally anywhere. And

50:31

so like that is the whole thing. It's just

50:34

like the proud boys, you know, wearing a little

50:36

skirts and riding fucking teeth on their butt. It's

50:38

like, it is meant to disarm you. And also

50:40

a lot of people have the emotional maturity of

50:42

like a 12 year old. I mean,

50:44

they are also, some of them are also just idiots.

50:47

And as you gotta, you gotta take

50:49

it seriously, even when it seems so

50:51

absurd that there's no way, you know,

50:53

cause that's, at this point

50:55

we keep seeing example after example of, yeah, I

50:58

mean, how many people, Donald

51:00

Trump came to that desk later. I knew he was our next

51:02

president, but a lot of people did not take it seriously. And

51:04

the more crazy, shitty, sad people didn't take it seriously.

51:07

And I think we just have this amnesia. People are

51:09

just, you know, have they zapped 2015 and 2016 from

51:12

their minds or something? Cause we're living in a

51:15

cartoon, basically. Yeah, it's an

51:17

absolute cartoon. It's

51:19

crazy. Well, I need an app

51:21

and a drink. But

51:25

I just want to say thank you for coming on

51:27

and talking to me and ruining the

51:29

rest of my night. Cause I'm like

51:31

the angel of death. I just got it

51:34

right. Like

51:37

the apocalypse, you just galloped through my house.

51:41

Sorry. It's okay. It's okay.

51:44

At least I feel like in some weird fucked up way that I'm

51:46

not alone in this. But

51:49

also at the same time, that doesn't make me feel any better at all.

51:53

But yes, thank you so much. Thank

51:56

you. Thanks for having me. That's about all the time

51:58

we have for today. Stay tuned next week for... another

52:00

crazy trip into the inner workings of MAGA and

52:02

the alt-right. You don't want to miss a minute.

52:05

Bye!