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This is Michael Cohen and you're listening to

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folks, Mayor Culpa is still taking

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a much needed few days off south

1:00

of the border. But with so

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much going on, we don't want to leave you

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that. So stay tuned for

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an all new conversation with

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Scott Dorkin, founder and lead

1:13

investigator of the Democratic Coalition

1:16

and host of the Dorkin Report podcast.

1:19

His 2016 Dorkin Report

1:22

helped uncover the Trump-Russia affair

1:24

well before special counsel Mueller's

1:26

probe even began.

1:29

He served as a deputy director

1:31

for both the 2009 presidential

1:34

inaugural committee and the 2012

1:37

Democratic National Convention

1:39

and was a senior advisor

1:41

on both the draft Biden and run

1:44

Warren run campaigns. He

1:46

has worked on campaigns and with organizations

1:49

in all 50 states and was named

1:51

to the campaigns and elections magazine 2011

1:55

class of rising stars.

1:57

You can find him at Dorkin Report

1:59

dot. or scottdorkin.org

2:03

as well as on Twitter at Thunder

2:06

F-U-N-D-E-R. He

2:08

joins us today on Mayakopa to

2:10

discuss the rapidly approving Georgia

2:13

racketeering and All Things

2:15

Indictment. So let's go now to

2:17

that conversation.

2:19

Ok, so Scott, in your most

2:21

recent Substack newsletter you

2:24

wrote, and I quote, We don't

2:26

have to act like it's a somber day

2:28

for America every time

2:30

MAGA's get indicted, because it's

2:32

not. It's accountability

2:35

season starting. It's justice.

2:38

Even if it comes in the form of an arrest,

2:40

a mugshot, a fine, whatever

2:43

it may be, enjoy it. Use

2:45

it to fuel your fire to ensure

2:48

we hold the rest of them accountable. Do

2:50

me a favor if you would, unpack for

2:52

my listeners the larger message

2:55

that you're trying to convey here. Sure.

2:57

I mean, one of the common

3:00

things that I'll get a comment on is we'll

3:02

talk about, Oh, this happened. Trump

3:04

got indicted here. He got indicted here. And

3:07

this, you know, sort of crime occurred. But

3:10

what we'll hear on our side of things

3:12

a lot of times is that's not enough. Or he's going to weasel

3:15

out of it or he's going to have to do. They

3:18

don't look at the side a lot of times from

3:20

comments and things like that. They look at the side

3:22

of it's going to keep

3:25

him in court. It's going to keep him busy. He's

3:27

going to keep on pouring money into lawyers. He's going

3:29

to have to be tied up with

3:31

this. Like there are little wins

3:34

that we can celebrate and enjoy. If

3:36

we don't enjoy that and we just suffer

3:38

through the misery of it, of, oh,

3:40

he'll be able to get out of this. He'll be able to move this

3:42

to federal court. Then it's just

3:45

not going to, you know, it's not going to be

3:47

an enjoyable life because this is, again,

3:49

the long game. I mean, it's been, you know,

3:51

over seven years now since he came on the

3:53

scene. And so we need to make sure that

3:56

that these these are things that involve

3:59

justice. Enrique Tarrio

4:01

getting sentenced is huge

4:03

justice. If Trump were still president,

4:05

I don't believe that that would have happened

4:07

the same way, obviously. There's a

4:10

bunch of different indictments and a bunch of other accountability.

4:12

You see Peter Navarro, even

4:15

Don Jr. and Ivanka testified

4:18

before the January 6th committee, and this dude acts

4:20

like he's some hero, and now he's talking

4:22

about all he's done for liberals for

4:25

some reason, and now he obviously

4:28

got convicted and he'll face

4:30

sentencing in January. So there's accountability

4:33

all over the place, but my

4:35

point is I just want people to

4:37

enjoy the win because they deserve

4:40

it, they earned it. The

4:42

people we voted for were

4:45

able to install people that

4:47

actually looked at the law and indict people

4:50

who are guilty instead

4:53

of indicting people for crimes

4:56

that they would allege because

4:58

there is some kind of

5:00

bad blood, like indicting someone who

5:03

was asked to do

5:05

a crime instead of the person who

5:08

did the crime, and obviously some folks

5:11

know something about that. So

5:14

it's really, that's my point, is I just want

5:16

folks to be able to enjoy the win of

5:18

accountability and justice. We don't have

5:21

to act like it's the worst, like this

5:23

is a terrible thing for America. It's not, it

5:25

is a great thing for America to see people

5:28

that were in power and in power get accountability

5:31

for their actions because it's the only thing that really

5:34

will deter it from happening in the future.

5:37

Well, you know, that's something that I've been fighting for

5:40

literally

5:41

almost since the day that the FBI

5:44

raided my home, my hotel,

5:46

my law office, my safety deposit

5:49

box, ever since that day I've

5:51

been turning around and saying the same thing, I'm

5:53

going to go to school, slow down. It wasn't by accident

5:56

in my statements before the Southern

5:59

District of Texas.

5:59

of New York when I said what

6:02

I did, I did it the direction of, for

6:04

the benefit of, and in concert with, individual

6:07

number one. And we all know who individual

6:10

number one is, but the only one who

6:12

saw any accountability was

6:15

me.

6:16

And since I have been

6:18

released, I'm

6:21

making it my mission, including my next,

6:23

my second book, Revenge, how Donald

6:25

Trump weaponized the United States Department of

6:27

Justice against his critics. I

6:29

love everybody. So you understand

6:32

where I'm coming from. So you understand the

6:34

statement that Scott, you just

6:36

made. That book is

6:39

an actual forensic dissection

6:42

of the most corrupt prosecution

6:45

in maybe the last 100 years. The

6:48

prosecution of somebody who

6:51

refused, for example, to waive their

6:53

first amendment constitutional right

6:56

and was remanded back to prison because I

6:58

wouldn't do it. I wouldn't waive my

7:00

ability to go on television, to talk to

7:02

the media, to publish my book. I

7:05

mean, that's not normal. And

7:07

I'll tell you what else isn't normal. We

7:09

heard the other day, Trump turned around and

7:12

said, if he's reelected, one

7:14

of the things he wants to do is he wants to get

7:16

rid of the tripartite system

7:19

of our government, meaning

7:21

the judiciary, the legislative

7:24

branch are no longer co-equal

7:27

powers to the executive branch,

7:30

that all the power will rest

7:32

in the hands of the executive

7:34

branch. And of course, the head

7:38

of the executive branch is the president of the United

7:40

States.

7:41

In essence, he will make himself a king. Absolutely.

7:45

And he also threatened to prosecute

7:47

people. One of the things is I

7:50

would have, I won't describe

7:52

in very big detail, but I will say

7:54

that I was planning to leave the country if you were

7:57

reelected because I

7:59

had to. The thoughts

8:01

from my legal counsel and others

8:03

was that he was going to come after people

8:05

like me and Grant Stern and others

8:08

that had been investigating him

8:10

and his allies and associates for

8:12

years, and he, you know,

8:15

I mean, there were things that we had to do like a self-imposed

8:17

audit for, you know, years to

8:20

make sure that there was nothing wrong with

8:22

my books whatsoever because,

8:24

you know, we knew that he was going to try and weaponize

8:26

the IRS against us. There was –

8:29

I never even got a speeding

8:31

ticket during his time in office because I knew

8:34

that at different times, you

8:36

know, we were being looked at, not

8:38

by any feds or anybody, but private people

8:40

that I think his allies had hired.

8:44

And it's just one of the things –

8:46

the reality is he wanted to go

8:48

after everybody,

8:50

I think, but he kind of trusted the

8:53

wrong people maybe because they kind

8:56

of were like, yeah, yeah, I'll get on top of it. And then

8:58

they maybe did nothing about it. And

9:01

then he was too lazy to come and follow

9:03

up with that. Or when he did follow up, they

9:05

were like, oh, yeah, I've been working on that. And he believes

9:07

them for some reason. You

9:10

know, I'm not sure, but laziness is the

9:12

only thing that I think got us out of a lot

9:14

of trouble. But obviously, if he

9:16

were to run reelection, he was going to come after

9:19

everyone with a vengeance. And he

9:21

would have been able to do

9:24

pretty much anything that he wanted. I know

9:26

that none of these people would have been indicted. None of

9:28

this would have come to light. None of these investigations

9:31

probably would have been fruitful.

9:33

You know, we'd be too busy fighting his

9:36

continuation of thug

9:38

mob nature, you know?

9:41

Well, of course I know because I was

9:43

the recipient of it. I mean, you know,

9:45

I happen to be, and I don't say this

9:47

lightly, and I don't say it to be hyperbolic.

9:51

I am the first political prisoner held by

9:53

my own country. The

9:55

United States of America, because

9:57

I refuse to waive my First Amendment. constitutional

10:00

rights. And I'm fighting,

10:03

I brought a lawsuit against the United

10:05

States government, Trump, Bill Barr, the DOJ.

10:08

I brought it because

10:10

I want to ensure that

10:12

what they did to me, Trump, Barr,

10:15

DOJ, Southern District

10:17

of New York, never happens to anyone

10:20

ever again. You know, we just saw

10:22

in the past week two

10:25

different individuals that spent,

10:27

I think, remains more than 50 years

10:30

in prison for crimes

10:32

that they didn't commit. Now, I

10:35

take responsibility for what I

10:37

did. And what I did

10:40

was the Stormy Daniels hush money

10:42

payment. That case is now

10:44

going to hold Donald accountable by

10:47

the Manhattan District Attorney's

10:49

Office. But I didn't commit tax

10:52

evasion, nor did I commit

10:54

a misrepresentation to

10:56

the bank regarding a HELOC loan.

10:59

I had had a HELOC on my apartment

11:01

for over a decade before

11:04

even, you know, this situation

11:07

came about. I don't understand

11:10

where it came from. The only reason that

11:12

I had no choice is because they

11:14

threatened on a Friday that

11:16

if you don't come in and plead guilty on Monday,

11:18

we're filing an 80-page

11:21

indictment that's going to include your wife. And

11:23

anybody that has been up against

11:26

the government, you have to understand

11:28

that the extent of the pressure, especially

11:30

when your own lawyer is telling you, they're

11:32

going to, they're going to lock your wife up too.

11:35

What am I supposed to do? So I ate

11:38

the shit now that I, now that

11:40

I have the microphone, and now

11:42

that I have the proof and the documents, even

11:44

though I'm still fighting with FOIA

11:46

to get the documents, 13, 14 months

11:49

already, I haven't been able to get one single document

11:52

from them, even though the court has ordered

11:54

them to process a minimum of 500

11:57

documents per month. They refused

11:59

to turnover any. The last bunch

12:02

of bullshit is that it could cause loss

12:04

of life to an agent or

12:07

to a member of law enforcement.

12:09

I mean, that's just comical. But yeah,

12:11

I did. I misrepresented to Congress,

12:13

I lied to Congress, and I paid Stormy

12:15

Daniels. In fact, I never paid Karen

12:18

McDougall, something that so many

12:20

journalists keep writing about, that I

12:22

paid Stormy Daniels and Karen

12:24

McDougall. I did not. That was paid

12:26

by AMI David Pekka, who,

12:29

coinc identically, Southern

12:31

District of New York gave him

12:33

limited immunity, despite

12:36

the fact he and Weisselberg lied.

12:38

It's a fucking tragedy in regards to how

12:42

obvious there

12:44

was an abuse of power to go after you

12:46

in retaliation for

12:49

everything. And then him piling

12:52

on and using the power of the White House and

12:54

the power of the press

12:58

against you to do a full squeeze,

13:00

and you still didn't

13:02

break. And he had his foot

13:05

on your neck. And you basically

13:07

said, fuck you, bring it. And

13:09

that's what we needed, was somebody

13:12

that had that gall,

13:15

the person who testified. Remember that turning

13:18

point for you, what I've seen is that

13:20

when you testified publicly, that

13:23

was a turning point for our country in

13:25

a direction that we needed

13:27

to head, and nobody had the

13:29

courage to do so. Nobody.

13:32

Nobody even came close. I mean, this is

13:34

like in 2016 when I called him a traitor,

13:37

and everyone, I'm talking about Lawrence Tribe,

13:39

I'm talking about anybody who calls him traitors now.

13:41

I was like, he's clearly

13:43

a traitor. He's working with

13:46

our enemies against our country. And

13:49

then looking back on it, when people,

13:52

I was on an island, and I'm

13:54

on an island, but I'm able to be on

13:57

international news doing it. It

13:59

just was... You look back

14:01

on it and it's like, what

14:05

was I thinking? Like

14:07

I was going after this dude and he had

14:09

no kind of rules

14:12

and I'm just glad I got out

14:14

of it in one piece. So

14:17

I'm one of the lucky ones. You

14:19

know, you got, again, slammed

14:21

in a different, in a huge way. And

14:25

again, you came out of it because

14:27

you came forward and did what no

14:29

one else in his circle

14:32

or even close to him was even willing close

14:34

to do, which is tell

14:36

the truth. And so that,

14:40

I think, is true judgment

14:43

of your character and who you are and how

14:45

you've developed as a human being because that takes,

14:49

that took real courage to do, especially

14:51

in that time. And that helped turn

14:54

everything around really for the country. You

14:56

know, I tell you what's crazy is

14:58

people don't even know this. When I

15:00

actually testified live for

15:03

the House Oversight Committee the day

15:05

before I had gone through the same

15:08

eight plus hour ordeal

15:11

before the Senate Permanent Select

15:13

Committee on Intelligence. That

15:15

was the eight, nine hour interview, but

15:17

that was in a skiff that wasn't live. Then

15:20

on Thursday I had the House

15:23

Oversight Committee, which 100 million

15:25

people, you know, viewed. But

15:28

then they also don't know that that next day,

15:30

the Friday, another

15:32

nine hours before the House Permanent

15:35

Select Committee on Intelligence, I did

15:37

like 27 hours of

15:39

abuse, right, over

15:41

just those days. Not to mention I had already

15:44

provided testimony once

15:47

prior, you know, I

15:50

mean, like six, eight

15:52

months earlier. And because

15:54

of the fighting that was going on between the

15:57

House, between Adam Schiff

15:59

and the Democrats, There was

16:01

so much fighting and hours wasted between

16:03

their fighting that I had to

16:05

come back yet again. It was

16:07

like seven different interviews

16:10

that I went through, you know, for it. I mean, a lot

16:12

of people don't, they just don't understand

16:15

that. But I will tell

16:17

you, it is fucking exhausting

16:20

mentally, physically,

16:22

emotionally. And now I

16:24

just got subpoenaed yesterday by

16:27

the New York Attorney General. They

16:29

want me to now testify

16:31

as a witness against Trump in the civil,

16:34

that minimum $250 million case,

16:37

you know, by our unthinkable New

16:39

York Attorney General, Tish James. I'm

16:42

exhausted even thinking about it.

16:44

It takes a lot. So when you

16:46

have these testimony,

16:48

just so people know, you

16:51

have, let's say, 63 hours of testifying

16:53

in front of Congress, you have to retain

16:55

counsel during that entire time and they

16:57

have to sit next to you. And so you're

16:59

paying to be there. Correct.

17:03

So like, I

17:06

mean, like, that's, that's just such

17:08

a huge expense. And you can't, you can't

17:10

go without an attorney. Like I've been in those

17:12

meetings before I've been in those hearings, like you

17:15

cannot go in front of them without

17:17

an attorney because it just, that would

17:19

be a disaster. That's just not that,

17:22

not in that situation that you were in. Because

17:24

you got both parties trying to get you

17:26

with really in questions as in like,

17:29

oh, well, you know, try to trick

17:31

you on one side, maybe be sort of respectful

17:34

on the other side, try and bury you alive.

17:37

And so nobody's your friend in there.

17:40

And so they're all trying to get something

17:42

out of you where they can go after you more

17:44

or they can go after Trump or

17:46

leverage something you say against you to get more

17:49

from you to get after Trump. It just

17:51

was like, it's a high pressure scenario,

17:54

but I think the, the cash burn

17:57

of what you had to put forward

17:59

should be. be known just that

18:01

it's not like all that testifying

18:03

like that sucks away time for your work it

18:06

sucks away time from family

18:08

and everything else so that's a sentence in itself

18:11

just having to go in front of them especially during

18:13

that divisive Congress because that must have been

18:15

must have been pure hell. It sure

18:18

is and I'll tell you I'm still right

18:20

now

18:21

I'm still on paper believe it or not

18:23

so yes of course I'm out my time

18:26

has been served by the

18:28

incarceration however

18:32

afterwards judge William

18:35

H. Pauli III also

18:38

hit me with a three-year supervised

18:41

release so when I just came

18:43

back from the first vacation that

18:45

I've been on with my family in more

18:47

than five years

18:49

they hold me in immigration

18:51

every time I leave the country it

18:54

would make no difference if I was going to the Bahamas

18:56

it would make no difference I was in France or

18:59

anywhere else as soon as I come

19:01

in from another country I'm immediately

19:04

detained by immigration I mean

19:06

it's really it's it's fucked up

19:08

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that you just brought up, because yesterday,

20:45

you also wrote, and again, I'm going to quote,

20:48

back to that word, trader.

20:49

I've never used the word trader lightly,

20:52

and I continue to be careful how I

20:54

use it. In 2016,

20:57

it was the first time I ever called anyone

20:59

a trader, and the trader

21:01

I was referring to

21:03

was Trump.

21:04

So when I call Tuberville, I'm

21:06

referring to, of course, Senator Tommy Tuberville,

21:09

a trader, know that I mean

21:11

it. Do me a favor, if you would, describe

21:14

for my listeners why Tuberville

21:17

rises to the level of trader for

21:19

you.

21:19

Well, I think anyone who attacks our,

21:22

and that's what I'll call it, is an attack on our armed forces,

21:26

and hurts our armed forces the

21:28

way that Tuberville is, even though

21:30

it may be legislatively,

21:32

I think

21:34

that it really rises

21:37

to being a trader, because he

21:39

is hurting our country at a level that you

21:42

cannot see yet, but the ripple effect

21:44

will harm us for years. He

21:47

is holding back over 300 military

21:49

appointees and

21:51

people who should be confirmed by the Senate, something

21:54

that's ridiculous enough where one senator

21:57

shouldn't be able to hold it up in the first place. And

21:59

then also... So three chiefs of our U.S.

22:02

military, which has never happened before in U.S.

22:05

history, all because what

22:08

he claims to be abortion

22:12

reimbursement in the military

22:14

and how he's a pro-life stance, which

22:17

I think is absolute bullshit, it's

22:20

a cop-out. And what we're going

22:22

to do, and what you'll see in this

22:25

conversation, is it's going to shift

22:27

away from Tuberville, and it's going to

22:29

shift over to Trump and McConnell

22:32

asking what the hell are they doing to

22:34

make sure that we have a chief in place

22:36

for our U.S. military,

22:39

and also why haven't they said

22:41

anything about it, why haven't they done anything about

22:43

it. We all know the reasons why,

22:46

and I think that's going to come out next week, is

22:48

the fact they want Biden to look bad, even

22:50

though it's not Biden's fault, even though Biden has

22:52

nothing to do with it, even though Biden has

22:54

nonpartisan people who are rising

22:57

for that, and that should be unanimous

23:00

in regards to getting these people through. But

23:03

he is just holding him up because he wants

23:05

Biden to look bad. And he

23:08

has all these excuses and acts like –

23:10

now he's attacking the potential

23:12

chiefs, acting like they don't do anything anyways.

23:15

They sit there and write poems. He's

23:18

trying to be the next Trump when,

23:20

in reality, he's just

23:23

a fake armchair quarterback who

23:25

deserves to be sitting on his ass at home, acting

23:27

like he's the failed coach he is. And

23:30

so right now, I just

23:32

say Alabama deserves better, everybody deserves

23:35

better, Congress deserves better. He's

23:39

one of the lowest of the low, but you also

23:41

have to look at the fact that leadership

23:44

hasn't said a damn word about it. They're

23:46

acting like there's no issue there. I

23:48

think this is going to come to bite them all in the

23:51

ass in regards to elections,

23:53

because this is going to be repeated and amplified

23:57

at a level that we haven't seen before because

23:59

it's at – We're talking about 300 people

24:02

that need to be in place. So they are doing

24:04

nothing at this point, but hurting our

24:07

military. And that is just

24:10

not just irresponsible, but you

24:14

know, it provides us to the level of being

24:16

a trader. It really does. If you

24:18

look at the definition of it, if you look

24:20

at how someone can hurt

24:22

the United States of America, Tuberville

24:25

is doing more harm than some

24:28

adversarial countries can do for

24:30

us right now, and he's doing a favor for Putin.

24:33

He's doing a favor for any of our enemies across

24:35

the world right now. He's doing nothing

24:38

but help them. And then the chiefs,

24:40

the potential chiefs and the secretaries of

24:43

different military establishments have agreed

24:46

with me on that fact. So

24:49

I think he raises that level of being a

24:51

trader. I know his office did not appreciate

24:53

what I wrote yesterday. I don't know why so

24:56

many people read it, but that's cool. But

25:00

it is, it's what I believe.

25:02

It really is reprehensible.

25:05

It's disgusting. And it's something

25:07

that does raise to the level of Tuberville

25:10

being a straight up trader in the United States

25:12

of America.

25:13

So I have two

25:16

points after I read the article as

25:18

well. First and foremost,

25:21

how does somebody like

25:23

atomic Tuberville have

25:26

a chance to get elected? How does he

25:28

even get reelected? I

25:31

mean, I want, I want people to think about this. If

25:34

you are from Alabama and I don't give a shit

25:36

where you're from, it makes, should

25:40

make no difference. How

25:42

can a woman ever vote for this piece of shit? Forgetting

25:47

about, we're going to get to the next part, which

25:49

is the military. Anyone that's in the military,

25:52

how could you possibly also

25:55

vote for this,

25:56

for this guy who is jeopardizing.

25:59

our national security.

26:02

So

26:03

not only is he, in my

26:05

opinion, hurting our

26:08

armed forces, our military, but

26:11

he's also doing so under

26:13

the guise, as you brought up, stopping

26:17

the abortion

26:20

policy, which permits

26:23

or pays for travel when

26:26

a service member goes out of state

26:28

to get an abortion or other reproductive

26:31

care. How could any woman

26:34

vote for somebody like this and

26:36

then the audacity of this

26:38

piece of shit turns around and

26:41

brushes off any criticism whatsoever

26:43

stating, and this is his quote, we're

26:47

going to be in a holding pattern

26:49

for a long time.

26:51

Fantastic.

26:53

Putting the national security of

26:55

our country in jeopardy. And

26:57

you're so right, because our forefathers

27:00

always said no foreign agent

27:03

could ever

27:04

bring down the United States. It

27:07

will ultimately or could possibly

27:09

happen only internally.

27:12

And he's a perfect example.

27:14

Yeah, holding pattern until the 2024 election is

27:19

what they're going to look for. Because and I bet,

27:21

I bet that he will soon

27:25

blame Biden for this

27:27

overall and act like it's Biden's fault that

27:29

they're not filled, even though it's on

27:32

Tuberville, he'll go after Biden

27:34

for it. Like, that's what

27:37

the plan is. You can see it from a mile

27:39

away. That's why Trump and McConnell

27:41

are ignoring it, staying away from it, even

27:44

though they're in a place where especially

27:46

Trump, especially Trump, I'm

27:49

thinking behind the scenes, he wants this

27:51

to happen. He wants to hold this back.

27:55

And Tuberville is just doing his bidding. That's what it

27:57

seems. I mean, like, I really don't see Tuberville

27:59

being I don't think that he has

28:01

the smarts to actually figure

28:03

this out in the first place. And

28:06

he just stands for nothing. He

28:08

really doesn't stand for anything good, that's for

28:10

sure. And

28:15

he's proven that through January

28:18

6th, and he's proven that with

28:20

his insane support

28:23

of different things that Trump has floated and

28:25

defensiveness of different

28:27

white nationalists and other things. It's

28:30

just insanity. He is not qualified

28:33

to be a dogcatcher, and

28:35

that's not to be offensive to dogcatchers,

28:38

but he's not qualified to

28:40

be serving in Congress.

28:43

He should have no role in public life whatsoever.

28:45

Nobody should listen to a

28:47

damn word he has to say, but right now he's

28:49

a senator. I

28:52

would be even willing to support,

28:55

if there was no viable Democrat,

28:57

which there should be, against

28:59

him in a few years, like I'll

29:02

be willing to support a primary against him

29:05

if necessary. Like this guy

29:07

is the worst of the worst, and he

29:09

needs to be voted out, that's for sure.

29:13

Yeah, Scott, I watched

29:15

CNN the other day, the Secretary

29:18

of the Navy. This is why I go right back to think every

29:21

woman should

29:23

vote against Tuberville. They

29:26

should actually seek his removal immediately

29:28

based upon a woman's choice,

29:31

a woman's right over her own reproductive

29:34

determinations. On

29:36

top of that, again, if you

29:38

have anyone in your family,

29:40

if you are a friend of someone who

29:43

is in any of the services

29:46

in our military, how

29:49

could you possibly vote for this

29:51

lunatic? Here's what Secretary

29:53

of the Navy, Carlos del Toro,

29:56

accused Tuberville on television,

29:58

and I got a quote from the New York Times. this because

30:01

this is so strong that

30:04

I am blown away

30:06

that there's anybody if you even

30:09

respect the military and if

30:11

you respect don't tell me after somebody

30:13

is unfortunately lost you

30:15

know in the military oh you

30:18

know thoughts and prayers you really

30:20

want to have thoughts and prayers you get rid

30:22

of somebody like Tuberville and you put

30:24

somebody in that's going to allow these

30:26

promotions and these confirmations to

30:29

take place but Secretary of the Navy

30:31

Carlos del Toro accused

30:33

Tuberville of this and I quote

30:36

playing Russian roulette with

30:38

the very lives of our service

30:40

members by denying them the opportunity

30:43

to actually have the most

30:46

experienced combat leaders in

30:48

those positions to lead them in

30:50

times of peace and in times

30:52

of combat all right in

30:55

fact they turn around and he then

30:57

said because it wasn't just him several

30:59

of the secretaries of

31:02

whether it was the the Air Force

31:04

the Marines they turn

31:06

around they wrote in an op-ed it will

31:09

have a corrosive effect on

31:11

the force this guy like you just

31:13

said this guy's playing Russian roulette

31:16

with the national security of

31:18

the United States of America

31:21

that's what this does you know if Republicans

31:23

come out and they are blaming Chuck

31:26

Schumer today for the

31:28

logjam I guess he can bring them individually

31:31

to a vote I don't know how long that would

31:33

take but they're

31:36

already starting to blame Democrats for this

31:38

instead of Tuberville we're

31:40

gonna see this spread and the

31:43

shrug of the shoulders you know like

31:45

there is with gun violence and you know

31:48

other major things that are

31:50

going on throughout the country that Republicans don't

31:52

want to fix and

31:55

this is this is just beyond the pale

31:57

a nonpartisan issue this

31:59

is anti-military I think John Stewart

32:01

says it best, that Republicans

32:03

are not

32:06

pro-military. They're anti-military and they're

32:08

pro-military machine. They

32:11

do not support our veterans. They

32:13

do not support our troops. They support

32:16

the military machine itself and the money that

32:18

goes towards it and the corporations that

32:20

back it. That's it. They don't support the

32:22

troops. They don't believe in the troops. And even

32:24

the people who served in the military before,

32:27

who honorably served, who were

32:29

some more war heroes and

32:33

are Republicans in Congress now,

32:37

they

32:38

turn a blind eye to it. And they

32:40

just move forward and they push against the military.

32:43

And funding for people – look

32:47

at how many Republicans voted against funding for

32:49

survivors of the burn pits and just

32:52

medical care for veterans.

32:55

And they were worried about slush fund spending.

32:58

The Republican Party who gives

33:00

tax breaks to corporations, like, no.

33:02

It's ridiculous. And

33:04

the amount of money that we were talking about was not

33:06

much compared to everything else we're spending

33:09

money on. So I

33:11

think that this is a broad problem,

33:14

and one of the biggest things that we need to point

33:16

out in the 2024 election is the

33:18

fact that they are anti-veteran and

33:20

they are anti-troops. And

33:23

they'll have to prove it,

33:25

like, show us exactly how you are

33:27

besides just waving the American flag around

33:30

and giving people a thumbs up. It's

33:32

the same thing with women's rights. Like,

33:34

they are pro-birth. After birth,

33:37

they don't care whatsoever. They want to force

33:39

you to have the kid. They want you to not have

33:41

the medical care that you need to have the

33:43

kid in the first place. But

33:45

if you get pregnant, you got to have the kid,

33:48

and then you're on your own. It's just

33:51

basically – they don't care about the rest

33:53

of the picture. They care about the hospitals

33:55

making money, about insurance companies

33:57

making a buck, and the people getting

33:59

screwed by the kids. it with $50,000 births because

34:02

no one can plan, you know, you're dead. No

34:04

one can plan around a pregnancy. No one knows how

34:07

your pregnancy can work out. It's going to be C-section, it's going to

34:09

be natural birth. You don't control

34:11

that. You don't control also if your

34:14

baby doesn't survive and if they have to

34:16

perform a procedure for the wife

34:18

to actually survive even though the

34:20

baby had passed, you know,

34:22

it could be defined as an abortion. You could live

34:24

in a state where you lose the mom too

34:26

because of that

34:29

and they don't have that work. I mean, like

34:31

there's a lot of specifics here where it's

34:33

basically, you know, Republicans,

34:35

most of them aren't doctors and the doctors that are in there

34:37

and the Republicans are batshit crazy. So,

34:41

you know, leave it between people and their doctors.

34:43

A lot of people jam

34:46

in their way into people's personal life. I thought

34:48

that they were all about, you know, state rights

34:50

and making sure that the individual has

34:52

the right and leave me alone. I'm more libertarian

34:55

like, you know, I'm going to live in my land. I'm going to

34:57

sit here and grow my own

34:59

corn and – Like

35:01

that's just not the case. They're pro corporate

35:04

America, pro

35:05

violence, pro

35:08

big corporations in regards to

35:10

supporting, you know, the military establishment

35:13

but not the troops and not the veterans. And

35:15

so anyways, I'm going to go on all

35:17

day about that if we

35:19

have the time. Yeah. Look, that's the

35:21

biggest problem is that the Democrats' messaging has

35:24

been weak, you know, over the course

35:26

of the Biden administration and prior

35:28

to that. It's actually the Democrats' messaging

35:31

has always been weak. Something I yell

35:33

about not just on this podcast but

35:35

my other podcast, Political Beatdown as well

35:38

when I talk about how Jamie Harrison,

35:40

I mean, for God's sakes, where the fuck is the DNC

35:42

already? Where are they to turn around and

35:45

to hold, you know, to hold these

35:47

folks accountable? And I think that's

35:49

why right now, you know, Biden

35:52

is getting really, you know,

35:54

he's getting beaten up in the

35:56

press and with some of these new polls that are

35:58

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But I am curious, Scott, if you would tell

37:29

me, how do you feel about the sentencing

37:32

of former Proud Boy leader Enrique

37:34

Tarrio? What did he get, 18

37:37

years, something like that? 22 years?

37:41

Is it enough time?

37:43

Or do you think it's too much? What's

37:45

your thoughts? No, not enough time.

37:48

I think a lot of these people have committed

37:52

an attempted coup,

37:55

physical coup on our government. And

37:58

I think we need to disher people. doing it again

38:00

and you know 17-18 years for some and 22

38:02

for Tario and you know

38:05

we have some

38:09

other people who are going to be sentenced here.

38:12

I think that that's viable enough where

38:14

you know newborns right now are going

38:16

to be getting out of college when you know

38:18

he'll be released if not you know if

38:21

he doesn't get out earlier and

38:23

I wouldn't be surprised if Garland

38:25

or the DOJ tries to seek to extend those

38:27

sentences or appeals those sentences because

38:29

they the recommendation was for at

38:32

least a decade more I believe. So

38:34

I just I think that there's

38:37

this is a serious problem where

38:39

you know police officers

38:42

whether they it was due to what

38:44

happened that day or due

38:47

to the violence for that happened that a police officer

38:49

died they were killed and

38:52

you know there were so many people who were

38:55

injured through that process

38:58

through that fight and you

39:01

know it was years in the making

39:03

where this guy is running around

39:07

like a domestic terrorist and just

39:10

running his mouth and causing

39:13

so many violent acts

39:15

across the country. These

39:19

are the people we need to put behind

39:21

bars and so I think it's

39:24

enough for the

39:27

instance of it's something

39:29

serious and significant enough

39:32

where it should deter some others

39:34

from trying to repeat those actions again

39:36

but at the same time

39:39

like this is not a person who should ever

39:42

be free again. This is not a

39:45

person who in my mind I mean

39:48

equating him to any kind of international

39:50

terrorist like that is how he should be treated.

39:53

It's not you know he obviously

39:56

had a fair trial and he

39:58

possibly faces other. And

40:01

I think there's a different court case as well that

40:03

could extend his sentence. But

40:06

this is – it's never going

40:08

to be enough. And this is part

40:11

of the argument of what I had said before is, yes,

40:14

she should have been sentenced to more. He deserves

40:17

more. But let's look at the fact

40:19

that if you rewind

40:21

five years ago or four years ago,

40:24

if I told you Tario

40:26

was going to spend 22 years

40:29

behind bars after getting prosecuted

40:32

and convicted by a jury

40:36

after being indicted by the DOJ, no

40:38

one would believe me. They'd be like, you're out

40:40

of your mind. There's no way that they're going to go after him.

40:43

There's never a way he's ever going to spend a day

40:45

in prison. There's no way he's going to actually

40:48

ever get in trouble for any of this. And

40:51

he did. So I

40:54

think that this is a good story

40:57

to tell people who would ever try

41:00

and do what he's done ever again.

41:03

This will help deter that from

41:05

happening because nobody wants to spend a

41:07

day behind bars, let alone 22

41:10

years. And

41:12

of course, I'm sure he'll be on probation,

41:14

and federal probation is

41:16

no picnic for anybody depending

41:19

on how they define it. I know some

41:21

folks that I've interviewed over the years

41:23

that only spent

41:25

a year and a half, two years in there,

41:28

but they had 10 years of federal probation. And

41:31

it was a weekly check-in plus

41:34

unnotified check-ins plus no

41:37

internet usage without them monitoring

41:40

every move that they have. They had monitor

41:43

of their cell phone if they had anything

41:45

else, if they did any drugs, if they drank

41:47

anything, if they did – like there was a litany

41:50

of things that they could not do. And if

41:52

they did, they were back in prison immediately. So

41:55

I mean there's a lot of guidelines. You're still

41:57

kind of in prison when you're under

41:59

that. So he's going to be in it

42:02

for a while. I think it should deter

42:04

others from doing so. But,

42:07

you know, again, I hope

42:10

for more just because, you

42:12

know, I live down the street

42:15

from there, you could see the smoke

42:17

pillowing from the Capitol,

42:19

you know, and people starting

42:21

to get ready for

42:24

potential urban warfare if they

42:26

were coming in our neighborhood,

42:29

we had no idea what was going to happen. I

42:31

imagine some kind of stick situation

42:34

would have gone on. Yeah, right. Yeah,

42:37

but now all seriousness,

42:40

it really is – it's good to see some

42:42

justice. It's good to see some people go behind

42:45

bars and have significant

42:47

sentences because, again,

42:50

this would have – I don't think they would have been prosecuted

42:53

at all if Trump had won re-election

42:55

or if Pence had done something different

42:58

or, you know, if he stayed in the White House

43:00

longer, something like that. You know,

43:02

this all could have played out much differently.

43:06

So we're – I'm – you

43:08

know, I think that it's okay to

43:12

just say, yeah, he

43:14

got a sentence that was good. Not

43:18

great, not terrible, but it

43:20

was good enough. I think –

43:22

Trust me, 22 years – yeah. 22 years

43:25

is – that's a long time. It's

43:28

a solid – it's a solid sentence. But,

43:30

you know,

43:31

when I first heard the 22

43:34

years onto it, I was saying to myself,

43:36

a guy who – I got 36 months,

43:38

three years, did 13 months

43:40

there, and then, as you said, the home confinement

43:43

part because of COVID and all, I

43:46

was saying to myself, boy, that's an awfully long

43:48

sentence. You know, I mean, people who

43:50

commit murder don't get 22 years. But

43:54

then I started thinking about something

43:56

else, you know, taking aside

43:58

any comparative type of –

43:59

of sentencing,

44:01

the thing that folks like

44:04

organizations like the Proud Boys, the Oath

44:06

Keepers, and others, the thing

44:08

that they're doing right now which scares the

44:10

shit out of me, and I'm curious whether

44:12

it worries you as well, is

44:15

something called bottom-up strategy.

44:18

Because what these guys have done is,

44:21

despite the arrests, despite the convictions

44:23

and so on, they splintered

44:26

into groups, these national

44:28

organizations, and they changed

44:32

from being what many

44:34

of us see them as, right, this paramilitary

44:38

type group, but rather, instead

44:41

of trying to effectuate a

44:43

national presence, they've

44:45

instead infiltrated

44:48

themselves,

44:48

or

44:50

they've inserted themselves into

44:53

local

44:54

GOP organizations and governments

44:57

all across our country on

44:59

a grassroots level. And

45:02

by doing this, it allows

45:04

them to influence and intimidate

45:07

local school boards, voter registrations,

45:10

and other aspects of local government.

45:13

So here's this whole concept of bottom-up

45:15

strategy. You take

45:18

the bottom, the city councils,

45:20

school boards, you know, these local

45:23

government positions, and you

45:25

control them. By doing

45:27

so, you ultimately then

45:30

can advance to the next level up,

45:33

maybe speaker of the city council,

45:35

maybe the mayor, maybe then Congress,

45:38

right, governor, senator, etc.

45:41

That's the play that they're trying for, and

45:44

that worries me, and I'm curious if

45:46

it worries you as well.

45:48

Oh, hell yeah. No, that's a huge

45:50

worry. I mean,

45:52

you know, they've obviously

45:55

some cops have become

45:59

members of these groups. You

46:01

know, there's a lot of

46:04

different people in positions of power that

46:06

have been members of these groups. You've

46:08

seen people who are prosecuting attorneys, members

46:10

of the district attorney's office out

46:12

west that admittedly

46:15

was supportive of these groups. You

46:18

got to be careful who you're involved

46:21

with at this point, and they need

46:23

to be flushed out and, you know, basically

46:25

banned from public life because it's not something

46:29

that, you know, this isn't something that's going to go away,

46:32

but the use of violence and threats and

46:36

listening to the person who speaks, screams

46:39

the loudest instead of the person who has the

46:41

best points. You

46:44

know, that's what – even

46:46

if something is simple as banning

46:48

books, you know,

46:51

this is the sort of mentality

46:54

where we need to elect leaders

46:56

who are strong enough to not be

47:00

scared of these tactics

47:02

because when those – when you have

47:05

that fear, once you've been to

47:07

that fear, if you're an elected official,

47:09

you know, at a school

47:11

board, even a school board member, if

47:14

you've been to that fear,

47:16

you'll bend to everything else at their

47:18

will. And so we need to have

47:21

strong leaders in office, and it's on us to

47:23

elect those leaders and make sure that

47:25

we flush out any of these

47:28

people who have infiltrated our government

47:30

because it is going to be a longstanding

47:33

problem, not just for these

47:35

groups, but people who are individual activists

47:38

who are against the United States

47:40

of America. You

47:42

know, I guess if we had a better vetting process, we

47:44

would have never had a person like

47:47

Tuberville in the Senate in the first place

47:50

if we found out what he really stood for,

47:52

which is, again, nothing good. But

47:55

when it comes to these groups, these

47:57

groups are going to plan.

48:00

more and there's going to be more localized

48:04

because of the lack of national

48:07

leadership. And so it

48:09

will build out again. I'm

48:12

sure that the FBI will have some

48:15

intervention with it, but

48:17

we – this is domestic

48:19

terrorism, and we need to prevent

48:21

it when we can. And

48:24

also, again, make sure that none

48:26

of these people have a leadership role in

48:28

any of our governments, that they don't

48:30

have – they're not a police chief. And

48:34

we need to make sure that they're weeded out

48:36

at the same time. We need to make sure that

48:39

there's no false calls either because one

48:41

false call, if they're not a member

48:43

of these groups, it

48:46

could backfire in a different

48:48

way where it gets more people riled up. But

48:51

yeah, we'll have the loud mouths in government

48:53

and whatnot, but the people who are against

48:56

the United States of America and willing to take it to a violent

48:58

level should have no role in our society

49:00

whatsoever. Yeah, and we have a whole slew

49:03

of them, not just on the local levels, but

49:06

on the congressional level as

49:08

well. And I'm with you. Look,

49:11

I'm all for

49:13

debate. I'm all for having

49:16

a difference of opinion. Look,

49:18

I don't agree with everything that Biden does,

49:21

but I like the direction

49:24

that he wants to bring America.

49:27

Do I agree with everything? Absolutely

49:29

not. In fact, and I repeat the same

49:32

line many times. Ed Koch used

49:34

to say, if you agree with me six out of 12 times,

49:37

you should vote for me. If you agree with

49:39

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49:41

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But this then brings me to a question I

51:15

really, I'm interested in getting your perspective

51:17

on. So you have Fulton County

51:20

DA Fani Willis. I mean, she's

51:23

also, that's unthinkable. She's come

51:25

out swinging against attempts

51:27

by Representative Jim, you

51:30

know, Jim bagged Jordan over there to

51:32

obstruct her prosecution of

51:34

the RICO-19. Yeah, Trump

51:38

and the 18 co-defendants. And

51:40

it's quite a thing to behold,

51:43

right, in that scorching nine-page

51:46

letter where Fani Willis blessed

51:49

Jordan for his, and I'm going to quote here

51:51

again, attempt to interfere

51:53

with the obstruction of this office's

51:56

prosecution. And she said

51:58

that he should be buy a book on

52:01

RICO cases at the non-attorney

52:04

discount price. I guess she was telling him to

52:06

take a CLE course, a continuing

52:08

legal education course. Now

52:11

Willis' scathing response to

52:13

Jordan's request for all

52:16

the documents related to the prosecution

52:18

of Trump also tackled

52:21

him for attempting to use

52:23

his congressional authority to

52:25

do what I just talked about from guys like

52:28

the Proud Boys or the Oath Keepers to

52:30

bully and suggested

52:33

that he use his authority to investigate

52:36

threats against

52:36

her and her staff.

52:39

And she wrote, your letter makes clear

52:42

that you lack a basic understanding

52:45

of the law, its practice, and

52:47

the ethical obligations of attorneys

52:50

generally and prosecutors

52:52

specifically. I mean

52:55

that's Willis's statement. It's

52:57

clear that Jim bagged Jordan is abusing

52:59

the power of his committee as

53:01

well as his position in Congress. So

53:04

you think now Jim Jordan

53:06

should be investigated for the weaponization

53:09

of government?

53:10

Oh, of course Jim Jordan should be investigated for

53:12

a lot of things. Absolutely.

53:15

I think one of the

53:17

things that's evident

53:19

here is something

53:21

that Jordan's done for years now is

53:24

he, you know, he's

53:27

using government as a weapon,

53:29

but he's also using the congressional

53:32

stamp to wave around and create

53:35

propaganda doing this because

53:37

that letter he uses the fundraise,

53:39

Trump uses the fundraise, everybody uses the fundraise

53:41

in the Republican Party, and they act

53:44

like this is it. I have a fancy

53:46

letter with this letterhead that says

53:48

we're going to get these documents, you know, that she's

53:50

not going to hide them from us. And it's pure

53:53

propaganda. And Fannie Willis is

53:55

giving a masterclass in how you fight

53:58

propaganda like Jim Jordan. Like this

54:01

is how you do it. You don't take it

54:03

lying down. You come back full

54:05

force and say fuck you. Here's,

54:07

you know, here's my side

54:10

of things. Take this and and

54:13

from from here, basically you're

54:16

not getting anything from me. And she

54:18

I think Fannie Willis knows

54:20

that he's not gonna get a damn thing

54:22

from her and it's just not

54:24

he's not gonna have the time to be able

54:26

to get the documents. She'll be able

54:29

to delay if necessary appropriately

54:32

on their legal terms and you

54:34

know, he wouldn't win anything in court.

54:36

Like it just wouldn't happen. He's not gonna be able

54:39

and this is another

54:40

example of what the hell happened

54:42

to Republicans thinking about state

54:45

rights over the federal rights. You have a federal

54:48

government official attacking

54:51

someone at the local level, right?

54:54

Attacking them acting like I

54:56

have the right to have

54:59

all your documents. I thought this was

55:01

so anti-republican. This is

55:03

not what you say you stand for Jim

55:06

Jordan. And so this is but

55:08

this is how you fight the propaganda is

55:10

you have to fight that fire with fire but she's

55:12

doing it in a way where she

55:15

cites precedent and she cites legal

55:17

cases. She cites examples of

55:20

why you're so terrible. I think

55:22

in in

55:24

there's a piece that was written in Vanity

55:26

Fair today

55:28

and it was by

55:30

Beth Levin and she said something

55:33

about in a withering letter the

55:35

subtext of which was basically you're

55:37

a fucking idiot and I can't believe I

55:40

have to take time out of my day to deal with you

55:42

and I think this is but this

55:44

is how you do it because now he's

55:46

shamed into a corner. Shame is one of the biggest

55:48

cures to propaganda. He's shamed

55:51

in a corner and he has to respond and

55:53

he can't elevate it really to

55:55

a next level. He'll have to probably

55:57

switch maneuvers and figure out a different

56:00

route and then act like it's a new attack.

56:02

I don't think he wants to escalate this because this

56:04

is something that he would surely lose. Yeah.

56:08

But then again,

56:10

they've lost on all of their allegations.

56:12

I mean, remember they brought people in claiming

56:15

things about Biden and, um,

56:17

and Hunter Biden and money. And then all of a sudden the

56:19

guy disappears. He's not around. There's

56:21

no checks or that, that, that, but what about,

56:24

uh, Hunter Biden's laptop? And they, and

56:26

none of it has turned out to have

56:29

an ounce of reality.

56:32

It's mere bullshit statements and so

56:34

on. But speaking about bullshit statements,

56:37

the other day Trump announced that

56:40

he would gladly testify in

56:43

all four of his cases. Now

56:45

I call bullshit on that considering

56:47

he doesn't even want to come and testify in

56:50

the case that he brought against me, that frivolous $500

56:53

million Southern district

56:55

of Miami case. And so now,

56:58

fortunately we have a great judge

57:01

and fortunately the judge has court ordered

57:04

that he has to be deposed

57:06

on October 3rd. Now this again

57:08

creates all sorts of problems because this guy's

57:11

schedule is jam packed

57:13

between all of these various cases,

57:16

not to mention those are the four

57:18

criminal cases. You still have

57:21

two civil matters, not including

57:23

the third one, which is the one that he brought against

57:26

me. You also have the Eugene

57:28

Carroll civil case and the Manhattan,

57:31

the New York attorney general

57:33

case. So he's got a lot on

57:35

his plate, but nevertheless, diaper

57:39

Donald himself, the big man,

57:41

the Teflon Don is

57:43

willing to testify in all four of the

57:45

cases. Do you think that he'll

57:48

actually, that this will actually come

57:50

to pass that he'll actually show

57:52

up because we all have seen

57:55

what a wonderful witness Donald Trump makes

57:57

when he's on the stand. Right. My

58:00

real question is, what lawyer

58:03

in their right mind would

58:05

put Trump on the stand voluntarily?

58:09

To me, it just seems like the more

58:11

that he speaks, the more

58:13

he incriminates himself.

58:16

That's a fact, and especially

58:18

when he wants to ad lib

58:21

statements that were prepared by attorneys. That's

58:24

got to make their blood boil as you see an attorney

58:27

after attorney that resign or quit or

58:29

get indicted of his –

58:33

– is a recent counsel for surrounding

58:36

January 6th and stuff like that.

58:38

I mean, he's not testifying

58:40

in any of these cases willingly.

58:43

Nothing. He's not going to say a word. There's no

58:45

way that he would do it. He's never

58:47

faced this much heat before, and he's

58:50

surely not going to do it. He won't show up

58:52

to any of these court cases that he doesn't have

58:54

to. So if it's a hearing where he can appear virtually,

58:57

he's going to do that over being there in person

58:59

unless he can get international news

59:01

and they follow his caravan and all that shit.

59:05

He really – there's

59:07

no lawyer. Maybe

59:09

some of his lawyers – I think

59:12

Lynn Wood's a lawyer, right? Boris

59:15

Epstein, you got – you have –

59:17

what's his name? Boris

59:22

Epstein. Taco penis. That

59:28

always got me so

59:30

confused when he would talk about Tom

59:34

Dazzle's little Russian ties, and

59:36

I'm like, dude, you –

59:37

what are you talking –

59:39

you worked in Moscow. Aren't you Russian? Like

59:42

yourself? Your name is not – it

59:44

wasn't spelled that way when you were born. Like,

59:47

you were born in Russia, I believe, right? Yeah,

59:50

but that doesn't – that certainly doesn't make him an agent

59:52

either. No, no, no. He

59:55

happens to be a lawyer, but he's

59:57

really – he's a non-practicing lawyer. that

1:00:00

he was sitting at the lawyer's

1:00:02

table, right, when Trump

1:00:04

was first indicted. I thought it was

1:00:06

the stupidest and the funniest thing. All

1:00:08

you have to do is to see what is his background.

1:00:11

Yeah, I think he went to Georgetown, so he's certainly

1:00:14

not dumb, right? However, he's

1:00:16

non-practicing, which, you know,

1:00:18

doesn't, it just means he has no

1:00:20

fucking clue what he's doing. He's sitting at

1:00:22

a table, what, to intimidate the

1:00:25

judge? I mean, how is something

1:00:27

like that even gonna happen? Look,

1:00:29

let me also then just bring it back into

1:00:31

this New York Attorney General. Actually,

1:00:34

let me bring it back better than that to this, you

1:00:37

know, to the fact that on October 3rd,

1:00:39

he has to, under court

1:00:42

order, appear. Now one of the reasons

1:00:44

that it was moved from September 6th to

1:00:47

now October 3rd is because

1:00:49

they want to bring in another lawyer

1:00:52

because they believe that some

1:00:54

of the questions that are going to be asked

1:00:56

of Donald could infringe

1:00:59

upon his Fifth Amendment right against

1:01:01

self-incrimination, and that

1:01:04

it could harm him in any one

1:01:06

of these other four criminal

1:01:08

cases that are currently plaguing

1:01:11

him. That in and of itself is

1:01:13

fucking funny if you think about

1:01:16

it, that he can't answer questions

1:01:19

based on a lawsuit that he brought,

1:01:21

and I keep calling it what it is, frivolous

1:01:24

and retaliatory, but he

1:01:26

brought this case forward. He

1:01:28

cannot answer certain questions

1:01:31

because it could incriminate him, and

1:01:34

in order to protect him from

1:01:36

himself, he needs to

1:01:38

bring in another lawyer who

1:01:41

specializes in Fifth

1:01:43

Amendment rights against self-incrimination

1:01:46

to stop him from answering

1:01:48

these questions so that he doesn't

1:01:51

do additional harm to himself. I mean, you

1:01:53

can't make this stuff up.

1:01:55

As

1:02:00

in like I can't answer because it would affect

1:02:02

my you know, I don't know how you answer

1:02:04

that I think you think I played the whatever

1:02:06

it is But like do you think

1:02:09

you'll use that in your because that's a great leverage

1:02:12

point outside Where you can say

1:02:14

I didn't answer anything that Cohen

1:02:16

case because I didn't

1:02:18

you know, the other cases are going on right now

1:02:21

I don't want anyone to try and use

1:02:23

that against me because like it

1:02:26

just seems like Even the

1:02:28

best lawyers. I don't know I've seen

1:02:30

different then how Then

1:02:32

Scott, I'm sorry then

1:02:33

how does he prove his case against me

1:02:36

then if he can't answer the questions,

1:02:38

right? I was it then that you prove your case including

1:02:41

the judge made it very clear that

1:02:44

a Ongoing continuous

1:02:46

use of the Fifth Amendment Right in

1:02:49

terms of this deposition will not

1:02:51

be acceptable to the court So

1:02:54

I don't know it to me like I said to you

1:02:56

before I can't imagine how any

1:02:58

lawyer would ever put Trump on

1:03:00

a witness stand Voluntarily,

1:03:03

it just doesn't make any sense But you know

1:03:05

Scott as the hour comes to an end I

1:03:07

really have just one additional question

1:03:10

that I want to ask you because it's kind

1:03:12

of a two-part question here So

1:03:15

we start to see a lot of the stuff that Biden

1:03:17

has done over the course

1:03:19

of the past two plus years you

1:03:22

know whether it's the economy gas

1:03:25

prices, you know, it's just

1:03:27

a multitude of the

1:03:30

what do you call reduction of Prescription

1:03:33

medication the infrastructure

1:03:36

bill. There's a there's

1:03:38

a slew of Successes, but

1:03:42

to be honest with you According to

1:03:44

the CNN poll and as

1:03:46

we all know my famous line says who

1:03:48

I ain't buying the fucking poll to

1:03:50

be Honest with you. I think CNN

1:03:53

concocted this poll. I think

1:03:55

it's bullshit. It's like 879 people

1:03:58

were were polled or something something like

1:04:01

that phone call then also sent

1:04:04

these interview questions and whatever.

1:04:07

I'm not buying it for a second.

1:04:09

I can't see Vivek Ramaswami,

1:04:11

an unknown equal to

1:04:14

Biden. I don't see Nikki

1:04:16

Haley beating Biden. I

1:04:18

don't see Chris Christie equal. I

1:04:20

don't see Trump equal to it. I

1:04:22

just don't. Or maybe I'm just

1:04:25

praying. But my

1:04:27

question to you is obviously Biden's poll

1:04:29

numbers. You know, they're just

1:04:32

doing this really, I think, pretty decent

1:04:34

job managing the country and the

1:04:36

government. But his numbers

1:04:38

are basically flat

1:04:41

or according to some of these polls dropping.

1:04:44

What's your prognosis for 2024? I

1:04:48

mean, at the end of the day, it

1:04:50

appears it's going to be a Biden-Trump 2,

1:04:53

a rematch, right? And

1:04:56

then on top of that, I do

1:04:59

understand that the GOP, especially

1:05:01

the far right guys like the Jimbo

1:05:04

Jordan and, you know, the Marjorie

1:05:07

Toilette Green and etc.,

1:05:09

right, that they're contemplating

1:05:12

on

1:05:15

making a motion to impeach

1:05:17

Biden. Putting all of

1:05:19

this together, all of these negatives,

1:05:23

what do you think will ultimately be the result

1:05:25

here? I think that, in

1:05:27

regards to impeachment, I think that they'll bring

1:05:29

a vote to the floor and they won't have the votes. I

1:05:32

think that the people in swing districts

1:05:34

in the House won't vote for it. They

1:05:37

don't have the votes right now. They won't have the votes

1:05:39

then. They don't have evidence. They want

1:05:41

to do no investigation, no

1:05:43

trial, like nothing in regards—they

1:05:47

did it twice against Trump. They

1:05:50

want to just be able

1:05:52

to say that they impeached him. They'll still say that

1:05:54

they impeached him even if they didn't

1:05:56

because that's how they roll.

1:06:00

So I think that will ultimately be

1:06:02

unsuccessful. It's something that everyone

1:06:04

needs to fight up and fight against because it's

1:06:06

not something we should roll our eyes at. It's

1:06:09

very serious, huge

1:06:11

abuse of power, and they're trying to do

1:06:13

exactly what they're accusing

1:06:15

Democrats of doing before they

1:06:18

have no charge. Obviously, there was a huge

1:06:20

amount of evidence for everything. For both

1:06:24

cases against Trump, this is not

1:06:26

the same. They have no proof of anything.

1:06:29

They have no proof of corruption. If they had anything,

1:06:31

they would repeat it until the day we all die.

1:06:34

They would constantly

1:06:37

talk about it. They've got nothing,

1:06:39

and they know it, but they

1:06:41

want to be able to say that they impeached him. And

1:06:44

so Kevin McCarthy is running around trying to talk

1:06:46

people into it. It's not something that other

1:06:48

people are going to buy as much, but

1:06:50

maybe it fires up a few

1:06:52

base Republican voters. In

1:06:55

regards to Biden and his poll numbers, this

1:06:57

is the place you want to sit as an incumbent

1:07:00

president right now. You want your poll

1:07:02

numbers to go up next year. You

1:07:05

don't want them to go up now and

1:07:08

then slope downward into July

1:07:10

next year. You need them to go

1:07:12

up over time, especially

1:07:15

over the next year here. So

1:07:18

politically speaking, campaign speaking,

1:07:20

I would say that it's not

1:07:23

a terrible spot for Biden to be in. There's

1:07:26

no way that some of those candidates

1:07:28

can match up with Biden. I think

1:07:31

Trump is the only one who could pose

1:07:34

a real serious threat at the moment. Obviously,

1:07:38

that could change with anybody

1:07:41

else if they are the nominee. I

1:07:43

don't think DeSantis wins

1:07:46

it. He's too odd of

1:07:48

a guy. So I think that right

1:07:51

now- Odd is an

1:07:53

understatement. No,

1:07:55

the nicest way is that

1:07:57

I think Biden's in a great spot right now. now.

1:08:00

Yeah, he, you

1:08:02

know, like any other president, people are going

1:08:04

to complain about things. But

1:08:06

overall, if you look at

1:08:08

the matchup and you ask a real question

1:08:11

of, okay, who would

1:08:14

you choose between Biden

1:08:17

and Trump? And let me add to

1:08:19

this, who would you choose between

1:08:21

a Biden administration and

1:08:23

a Trump administration? Who would you choose between

1:08:26

a Biden staff and a

1:08:28

Trump staff?

1:08:29

Like you do not want those people

1:08:32

back in the White House or even on the

1:08:34

White House lawn for an Easter egg hunt. You

1:08:36

do not want them ever involved

1:08:38

in our government ever again. It's not just

1:08:41

about the top people. It's not

1:08:43

just about the figure head and the spokesperson

1:08:46

and the person who's passing different legislation.

1:08:48

It's about the person who's speaking on their behalf.

1:08:51

It's about the people that are actually doing the

1:08:53

work behind the scenes, making the phone

1:08:55

calls, being diplomats. Like these

1:08:58

are the people that you want in charge. You want

1:08:59

adults in charge. You don't want traders in

1:09:01

charge. And it's going to be a trickle down

1:09:04

of that if you have Trump. It's not just

1:09:06

about Trump and Biden. It's not just about

1:09:08

Biden himself. And so when

1:09:11

people complain about that, I always

1:09:13

make sure to make it clear. And then the

1:09:16

choice is pretty clear there. You want Stephen

1:09:18

Miller back in the White House? Start

1:09:20

talking about that. It's not just

1:09:23

about the two of them. It's not just about the

1:09:25

matchup there. I think in

1:09:27

a matchup that I think Biden wins

1:09:29

by a larger margin this time.

1:09:32

I don't. Yeah, me as well. We'll have

1:09:34

a better cohesive strategy. I think this

1:09:37

time around, because there's so much stuff,

1:09:41

there's so much meat on the bone that we can go after.

1:09:43

But I think the future

1:09:45

looks bright. Poll

1:09:47

numbers, I kind of look one way or the

1:09:49

other. It's not something that Biden is going to worry

1:09:52

about yet. Not

1:09:54

until next year, mid-summer

1:09:56

or whatnot. And they don't really matter until we

1:09:58

know who the nominee is. And

1:10:01

we also got to know what, if Trump's

1:10:04

the nominee, what has he been convicted of?

1:10:06

Has he been sentenced to a prison? Like,

1:10:08

we don't know what's happening with any of

1:10:10

that. You know, maybe it won't

1:10:12

be that far along at that point, but these,

1:10:15

these things will change things. Cause the

1:10:17

fact that any Republicans, and I think that's

1:10:19

over 10% now, believe that he did

1:10:22

something wrong or believe that he should serve time

1:10:24

in prison is huge. They

1:10:26

should be talking about that all day, not Biden's

1:10:28

poll numbers. Nobody gives a shit about that right

1:10:30

now. So that's, that's what I do.

1:10:33

Well, Scott, thank you so much for joining

1:10:35

me again on Mayor Culper. It's good to see

1:10:37

you, my friends stay safe and

1:10:40

I'll be speaking to you real soon.

1:10:41

I really appreciate you. Appreciate it. Have

1:10:44

a great one. Thank you, pal. Bye.

1:10:47

That's all the time we have today, folks.

1:10:49

And we'll be back Friday with all

1:10:52

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1:10:54

nothing but the truth.

1:10:55

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