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This is episode 185. Tyrese

2:15

Halliburton, the mailbag edition. Always

2:17

fun to have our friend Tyrese

2:19

on. We are recording this

2:22

on Monday night. He's in between games in Philly

2:24

right now. We get into the

2:26

maxi stuff with him and they

2:28

have another game in Philly tomorrow for another fun

2:31

matchup. That game last night was a ton of fun to watch.

2:33

Crazy, crazy. Indy,

2:36

top offense in the league right now. They are

2:38

the top offense in the league, which leads us

2:40

to our DraftKings segment.

2:42

We're gonna focus on Indy.

2:43

I have made a pledge this week, Tommy, just

2:46

so you know, I have made a pledge

2:48

to focus as much as possible

2:51

on the small market teams.

2:53

This morning on The Old Man and the Three Things,

2:55

Mikaeus and Steve and I, we talked about Minnesota,

2:58

we talked about Orlando.

3:00

It felt good. It

3:01

feels good. So one

3:03

thought slash question for you about this.

3:06

Indy, one national TV game all year. Minnesota,

3:09

I looked this up after the segment this morning.

3:12

Five, which is better than one, but

3:14

it's still not great.

3:15

When you think about guys like Tyrese, guys

3:17

like Ant, the new faces of the league, it

3:19

does feel like the league partners need to do

3:22

a little better there. Here's the thing. Kevin

3:24

Garnett,

3:25

recently on KG Certified, came

3:27

out and said,

3:28

right now the Indiana Pacers are my

3:30

number one league best team.

3:32

For me, they're in the top five, for sure.

3:35

They're a ton of fun to watch. They play an exciting brand

3:37

of basketball. How they

3:39

only have

3:40

one national televised

3:42

game is crazy to me.

3:45

They're incredibly fun. It's fun. If you

3:47

watch them, you'll get it. But

3:51

on top of that, you brought up Tyrese. Here's

3:54

the thing. He's 23 years old. He's

3:56

been an all-star. He's one

3:58

of the best guard. in the entire

4:01

NBA. I'm not saying

4:03

the Pacers are a legacy franchise

4:05

by any stretch of the imagination, but

4:08

they're an important franchise in

4:10

the NBA, in my estimation.

4:12

They're a franchise with an incredible history. So

4:15

yes, to that point, yes. The other thing is,

4:17

and I think Minnesota falls into this as well,

4:19

these are two guys who

4:21

just were two of the best players in Team USA, who

4:23

are probably gonna be on Team USA next summer. These

4:26

are the true faces of the league, and I think that

4:28

they need to be highlighted a little bit more. How

4:31

many Tyrese Halliburton

4:34

segments do you think we'll get this year

4:36

on first take?

4:37

I would go with

4:39

zero. I'm gonna

4:41

make one happen. I'm gonna make one happen. So

4:44

they have a nine point per game offensive

4:47

jump. They're six and four right now.

4:49

The only players, I was reading this

4:51

before we taped with, and the only players with 200

4:54

points this year, 50-40, 90 are

4:56

Tyrese and Maxie. What

4:59

do you see about their offense? Their offense was

5:01

good last year, but what do you see about their offense that

5:03

is put in a different sort of level?

5:05

Yeah.

5:08

So

5:09

there's a randomness to it.

5:14

For anyone listening, watching, there was

5:16

an article today on theringer.com about this.

5:20

There's a pace to it, and there's a randomness

5:23

to it. So Tyrese does

5:25

have the ball a lot, but he also doesn't

5:27

have the ball a lot. He

5:30

kicks it ahead. You've got athletes running

5:32

the court.

5:35

Hopefully as the season goes on, Obie

5:37

Toppin will continue to be in the leash, one of the guys

5:39

that we talked about where we felt like

5:42

this was a really good fit for him at this stage

5:44

in his career to expand his game.

5:48

Obviously there's a change in the starting lineup, but he's now

5:50

coming off the bench.

5:53

The Miles Turner, Tyrese

5:55

Halberd, and pick and roll has been very successful.

5:58

But to me it's just like the evolution.

5:59

group,

6:02

the tactical nature

6:04

of Rick Carlisle, there's

6:06

just a freedom to the offense. We

6:10

did this mailbag and a couple of people brought

6:12

up the seven seconds or less Phoenix

6:14

Suns who by today's standards would

6:16

play at I think league worst pace,

6:19

just so we're clear. Which

6:21

is crazy. But the NBA

6:23

has changed a lot. I think

6:26

this is partly if you have a creator

6:28

and an unselfish player who can make

6:30

plays

6:31

out of pick and roll, who can create pace

6:33

with the pass and who can shoot over 40% from

6:36

three on a high volume, this is like the

6:38

evolution of how to score in the NBA.

6:41

You're constantly making reads, you're constantly

6:44

attacking close outs, you're making the next

6:46

kick out and there's enough shooting

6:48

on the roster that

6:49

it makes it efficient.

6:50

But it all starts with Tyrese.

6:54

We have talked a couple

6:56

times already this year about the Eastern

6:59

Conference as a whole

7:01

and I

7:03

don't think either of us would have recognized

7:05

just how good Philly would be.

7:07

Philly has been awesome. I don't think anybody would have prayed

7:10

that. The guys in that locker room. I

7:13

thought based on the preseason, the vibes,

7:16

the fact that

7:18

they basically had moved on from Harden

7:20

without trading him. Without going into the year, they

7:22

were going to be, they have Joel Embiid, like they

7:25

have Tyrese Maxie. They're going to be a

7:27

top three or four team in the East.

7:29

Now I think they're

7:31

at least the second best, right? Not

7:34

based on record. Boston's really good. I've

7:36

seen them play now three times. They're really good. Boston's

7:39

really good. Philly's really good.

7:42

Cleveland, I think they're going to figure

7:44

it out. The Milwaukee,

7:47

there's just too much at the top between Giannis

7:49

and they're going to figure it out. Miami's

7:52

playing really well. It's like, I'm

7:55

five in a row. There's like

7:57

three spots.

7:59

And I

8:01

look at the Pacers as a team

8:03

that if they can continue

8:06

to be a top two or three offense, they're

8:09

going to have a chance to win every night, regardless

8:12

of how bad their defense is at times. They're going to

8:14

have a chance to win. Go back to that thing that Jason

8:16

Kidd said to me about the Dallas Mavericks. He's

8:18

like, we are really comfortable playing 125 to 120 on

8:20

a nightly basis. We're comfortable doing that. We

8:25

believe in our offense. We believe in our stars, right?

8:27

And I think the Pacers to a degree fit that

8:30

same mindset. They're comfortable playing

8:32

in the 120s. So what do they need

8:34

to do to improve

8:36

the D? He talks about this a little

8:38

bit this morning on three

8:40

things. And we get into it with Terrace as well, but

8:42

just sort of before getting into it with him in terms of

8:45

your opinion, because it's like, how do they

8:47

improve that defense to a level where if this is

8:49

a top five offense, we can actually talk about them

8:51

maybe even winning a playoff series? Yeah,

8:54

I mean, look, certainly personnel

8:57

matters in the NBA. I

9:00

think emphasis

9:01

matters. You

9:02

know, you watch them play

9:05

and there's

9:07

an excitement when the ball

9:09

goes through the hoop for the other team, there's

9:11

an excitement to get the ball out of bounds

9:14

and get it back up the court and go make a play. Like

9:17

it's quick, right? They're getting it up quick. They're

9:19

into their offense quick. You'd like to

9:22

see some of the same scheme

9:24

wise. Look, they have Miles Turner. He's

9:26

going to be in drop. He can protect

9:28

the rim. They've got Bruce Brown. He can

9:30

guard multiple positions. You wonder

9:33

at some point, Jarrus Walker drafted

9:35

for defense, right? Aaron Neesmith is

9:37

big, big wing. Like, I think

9:39

there's enough there where they can build a decent

9:42

defense. They don't have to be a top 15

9:44

defense.

9:45

They don't. Their office is that good.

9:47

Right now on Draft King Sportsbook, by

9:50

the way, they have

9:52

currently the best odds. They're at minus 105

9:55

to participate in the play in tournament

9:58

and they have the best odds to make their playoffs once the play

10:01

is settled. So there's, I

10:03

think, a strong possibility,

10:05

assuming health, that this team is in the playoffs.

10:08

Go back to last year Tyreese gets hurt in that next game. They were the fifth seed.

10:11

They were in the playoffs. They had a winning record. I

10:13

think they were 24 and 18.

10:14

They

10:15

have a great coach. They have a superstar player. I

10:17

mean that. I don't use that term

10:19

lightly. Like, Tyreese is great. There's

10:23

a bunch of superstars across the league. There's

10:25

a difference between a star and a superstar, you know? I

10:28

was a legend. I was a star. I'm

10:30

just kidding. I'm just kidding. Jason Eddard

10:32

said that. There's a weird superstar

10:35

coming from behind. That's good. It's saying

10:37

it. It's a joke. It's a joke. It's

10:40

saying it. What about, what

10:42

about Matherin? He's played well for

10:44

them so far. We obviously have been on the show last year. Is

10:48

there a, is there something where

10:50

you can see him taking a leap? I

10:52

don't know about a leap. I don't know about a leap. I don't

10:55

know about a leap. I like that he's starting.

10:58

I think that's a natural thing to do

11:00

for a second year guy.

11:03

You know, over the course of an 82 game

11:05

season, I think you look

11:07

at young players and

11:10

efficiency. And that's where I think

11:13

as the season went on last year, efficiency

11:15

numbers went down. The shooting numbers went down.

11:18

He clearly has a ton of talent,

11:21

right? He's a downhill driver.

11:24

He can finish. He's got great footwork

11:26

when he does attack. You

11:28

know, I think in this offense, especially

11:31

with Buddy out, if he can make

11:33

high 30% from three on

11:36

four or five attempts a game

11:37

for a season,

11:39

like to me, that's the growth,

11:41

right? So to me, it's like

11:43

efficiency. That's

11:46

a natural evolution, I think, for a young scorer

11:49

in the NBA. But I like their team

11:51

a lot. I do. And I'm

11:53

excited to see, I think I'm excited

11:55

to see them throughout this year. I'm

11:58

excited to see Orlando. throughout

12:00

this year. We talked about

12:02

them today. There's certainly a lack

12:04

of shooting right now on that team, which

12:07

is sort of the cause for concern, but they're

12:09

a top five defense. I think these early

12:11

season numbers, again small

12:14

sample size 10-11 games, they can get skewed

12:16

a little bit, right, with the top

12:19

five offense. I'm pretty confident

12:21

that Boston's gonna have a top five offense and

12:23

a top ten defense. Like Houston

12:26

is another team, right? Right now they have both

12:28

a top ten offense and a top ten defense.

12:31

If that plays out over the course of the season, guess what?

12:33

Houston is in the playoffs. They're gonna be a playoff team, right? But

12:35

I think early in the season there

12:38

can be some skewed, right? You have a 155 point game, your offense

12:40

is gonna

12:42

be pretty good for those

12:44

first ten games. It's gonna look really good in

12:46

a spreadsheet. It just is. It

12:50

just is. They're objectively a top five league

12:54

pass team. Every night, whether they're getting

12:56

lit up or they're doing it to somebody else, it's always fun.

12:59

Have they played one boring game yet? No,

13:02

I don't know that they have. Everything is

13:05

just a shootout. By the way,

13:08

it's funny because I watched

13:11

the Brooklyn Nets play on Friday, or

13:13

I called the Brooklyn Nets game on Friday in Boston,

13:16

and then I watched them play Sunday.

13:20

And

13:22

they're also random. Super

13:24

random. But it doesn't look as good,

13:27

or it's not as entertaining

13:31

as the Pacers for some reason. But it is still,

13:33

there's still a lot of random with Brooklyn. They muck it

13:35

up and stay in basically every game.

13:37

I mean the games, the game yesterday,

13:40

the Wizards game was one of the worst games.

13:42

Thanks, I was there. I've seen the

13:44

worst games in a long time. I

13:47

do think with Brooklyn bringing like

13:49

Clackston being back, he's so good. I

13:52

think Clackston's so good. They just

13:54

have to get healthy. I mean, they haven't

13:56

been close to healthy. And when they're healthy, it's gonna be really

13:58

interesting because they have a lot of good. They're

14:00

sort of like with Houston, you have a lot of good players. How

14:03

do you make that fit? Last thing

14:05

before we get to Tyrese in the mailbag, which

14:07

thank you again for all your questions you sent

14:09

in on Twitter. We had a special

14:12

email last second edition

14:15

from IHateGoogleDocs at gmail.com

14:17

that sent in a couple questions. You got a lot of questions off. You

14:20

got a lot of questions off. Not sure how that

14:22

happened. Favoritism, I'm not sure. I

14:24

know we tabled the MVP talk. Where

14:27

do you think Tyrese right now is? This is funny

14:29

because we talked specifically with

14:31

him about not. No, but we're

14:33

not gonna talk about the MVP. We're not gonna name our, who's

14:35

in the MVP conversation. Wait, so where is

14:37

he on the odds? Yeah,

14:40

where is he? 20th, 20th.

14:43

20th right now, how do you? 20th, best

14:45

odds. Wait, do you think that's fair? I

14:48

said we're not gonna talk about the MVP. I'm just

14:50

saying. It's just interesting. You

14:52

can't bring the word MVP up and say we're not gonna

14:54

talk about it. We're not talking about it. All right, okay,

14:57

well let's just hold this. We're gonna remember this for four

14:59

months from now. I think that

15:01

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16:08

our conversation with All-Star point

16:11

guard Tyrese Halliburton. All right, let's

16:13

welcome in

16:14

Tyrese Halliburton. Tyrese,

16:17

good to see you my friend. We have not

16:19

had you on in a while. A lot

16:21

has happened in your life.

16:23

Massive contract.

16:26

It's massive, don't give me that face. Massive

16:28

contract. USA basketball,

16:31

and really truly I mean this, a

16:34

fucking awesome start to the season. So, excited

16:36

to have you on for this Mailbag episode. Tommy, always

16:39

good to see you. I'm

16:41

gonna start, this was a late addition

16:43

to the Mailbag. I'm gonna start,

16:46

this is from IHateGoogleDocs

16:49

at gmail.com, very interesting

16:51

email address. A

16:55

lot of chatter, including

16:57

from us today, on the Old Man

16:59

and the Three Things, about Tyrese

17:02

Maxey.

17:04

You are a very cerebral

17:06

guy. You watch

17:09

the NBA every night.

17:12

You played against him last night.

17:14

What

17:16

are you seeing from him in terms

17:19

of the game and

17:21

in terms of the confidence level? Yeah,

17:23

I think he's playing at probably

17:25

the highest his confidence level has ever been. I

17:28

think that he's really in a

17:31

good space mentally and with his

17:33

game in the sense of he's so

17:35

fast that picking

17:37

him up higher up the floor is

17:40

not beneficial for you. But at the same

17:42

time, if you don't pick him up high enough, he

17:44

has range and Joel sets elite

17:47

screens if you're not high

17:49

enough in through the screen. So

17:52

I think that he's become a really tough cover and

17:54

with his speed and the separation he can

17:56

get on his step backs and things like that, I

17:58

think he's been really good. And I think that Joel

18:01

genuinely loves Tyrese.

18:04

Like ever since I've came in, their relationship

18:06

has always been like, there's like big brother,

18:08

little brother, they're always like arguing, but

18:10

in this like, I love, and Joel wants to see him

18:13

do well. And I think that's been

18:15

really beneficial as well is Joel is

18:17

doing everything in his power to, you know, he's

18:19

still being Joel and B, scoring 35, 40 a night, there's

18:22

nothing you can do about that. But when Tyrese gets

18:24

going, now you got two guys. I

18:26

mean, they both had 25 a half last night. They

18:28

combined for 87 last night against

18:31

us. They're really tough to cover

18:33

together. So,

18:34

Tyrese is playing really well right now. When

18:36

he came on with us a couple of weeks ago, he talked about

18:38

just the weirdness of the start of his career and

18:41

how he just never had a defined role. Do

18:43

you feel that you've known him for a long time, you're good friends with him.

18:45

Do you feel like even just seeing him last

18:47

night, like him being the guy

18:50

there now and having this defined role has changed

18:52

the way he's approaching the game?

18:53

I think so, I think so. I think about

18:55

Tyrese is he's such a good dude. And

18:57

I think everybody loves being around him. I

19:00

think he's an elite teammate that, I think

19:02

from one to 15, everybody just

19:04

loves playing with him and wants to see him do well. And

19:07

I think now that he's 100% the second guy, so

19:12

he can get going with Joel on the floor. And

19:14

you know that Joel is not gonna play the first six of the second

19:16

and the first six of the fourth. That's really

19:19

when Tyrese gets going and the guys are hunting

19:21

him to score and stuff like that. So, I

19:23

think it's been really beneficial for him. I

19:25

mean, I think JJ knows that, anybody knows his NBA. Once

19:28

you kind of know your role and what

19:30

a team expects out of you, I feel like it's easier

19:32

to do versus it kind of being

19:34

back and forth, wishy washy between not

19:37

knowing exactly what they need from you. So, I feel

19:39

like that's really helping him in his career and

19:41

he'll be an All-Star this year, no question about it.

19:44

I think it's not just the defined role. I'm

19:46

not saying you weren't saying this, but I think it's not just

19:48

the defined role, specifically with

19:50

Maxi. And for any player that

19:53

either has like an elevated

19:55

season or goes to a new situation and

19:57

all of a sudden is like almost like a different player. And I'm

19:59

not saying Maxi. because he's a different player, but certainly the production

20:01

and the playmaking and all that is

20:04

elevated. I think it's the freedom

20:06

that comes with an elevated

20:09

role, but also the empowerment that

20:11

comes from a coach, and in this case, Nick

20:13

Nurse, just empowering him, some

20:16

by necessity, because Harden's gone, but

20:21

it's not just like, oh, this is what I want

20:23

you to do night to night, it's knowing like, motherfucker,

20:26

I'm gonna have the ball in my hands, and

20:28

I'm gonna do it. You can probably speak to that

20:30

as well when you go to India.

20:33

By the way, Tommy and I, everybody here, we

20:35

read the ringer.com article

20:38

on you today. The love

20:40

fest, it was intense, man. It

20:43

was intense. Almost

20:46

to the point where I'm like, did Tyrese's

20:48

PR person pay

20:51

the writer? There was a lot. There was

20:53

a lot. It was a good article. It was

20:55

a great article, a great article. Tyrese ghost

20:57

wrote it. Actually,

21:00

sorry, not me. I hategoogledocs.atgmail.com

21:04

has a couple follow-up questions. Number

21:09

one, as it relates to another team you

21:12

guys have played, and that is the Milwaukee Bucks,

21:16

I have spoken about what I'm

21:18

seeing on film from their defense,

21:22

which has been different, and they've tried to make some

21:24

adjustments with Brooke.

21:26

What did you see on the court?

21:28

You've played against the Milwaukee Bucks a ton in your

21:30

career, have had

21:32

some big games against them prior, but

21:34

just in terms of their defensive coverages

21:37

and the reads that you were able to make in that game,

21:39

what was different about it?

21:43

Well,

21:43

I mean, the most obvious

21:46

part that wasn't there was probably,

21:48

obviously, Drew's not there

21:50

anymore, right? And I think what he

21:52

brought to the table is he's gonna guard the best player every

21:54

night, regardless of position. And

21:57

you know you gotta be prepared for

21:59

that. probably the most elite defensive

22:01

player in the NBA. So no matter the defense

22:04

or the team that he's on, he leaves, there's going to be

22:06

a gap, right? And I think

22:08

that it's interesting because we

22:10

really were going at them in their man-to-man

22:13

coverage. Obviously, Brooke

22:15

is in a deep drop for the majority of the game and I

22:17

feel like I excelled best against teams who are in a deep

22:19

drop. So that really got us going.

22:21

We got stops early that allowed us to play in

22:23

transition, but then they

22:25

went to zone and it felt like they

22:27

were, it felt like when teams go zone,

22:30

it's kind of like a, I don't want

22:32

to say a last ditch effort, but against us,

22:34

it feels like you're doing it just to slow us down. And

22:36

I felt like in the moment, like

22:38

dang, the zone's kind of working against us. But then

22:41

I go back and watch the film and I feel like we're really getting whatever

22:43

shot we wanted to, we just weren't making shots. Like

22:46

Buddy had a couple open threes. I

22:48

think he was like two for 12 maybe

22:50

that night or something like that. I missed

22:52

a couple open ones. I feel like we missed a couple open threes,

22:54

but I feel like that point of attack

22:57

defender is not there as

22:59

much with Drew gone. And that's just

23:01

the fact of it. And I think that Giannis is an elite

23:04

weak side defender. I think Brooke is an elite weak side

23:06

defender, but I think missing Drew

23:08

hurts them. And so I'm looking forward to obviously

23:11

playing them in full strength,

23:13

but it is different when you play

23:15

against them because I only played

23:17

against, I didn't play against Milwaukee at all last

23:20

year, but the year before, it's

23:22

always like when I go play Milwaukee, I'm at home

23:24

and I'm like, I'm up for this game, but

23:26

it's like I got to really lock in because we got Drew and it's

23:29

gonna be tough and I got to figure out the nuances and

23:31

how I'm gonna get them off me and all these different things. That's

23:34

a big gap there. And that's

23:36

hard for any team to make up. I knew

23:38

you missed the TJ McConnell game last year. I

23:41

did not realize that you also missed

23:44

every game against Milwaukee. Every

23:46

game. Yeah, TJ McConnell. What

23:48

do you have, 25 in the first half, something like that?

23:50

Yeah, it was a 20. Yeah, I might've been 30. I

23:52

think it was 25. I think it was 25. It was 25. You

23:55

didn't play when you guys lost to Boston

23:57

this year, but what was your thought when... The

24:00

dust settled with the Dame trade and then Drew

24:02

ended up there knowing, you know, we talk

24:04

about how good Drew is every episode of the show, but

24:07

knowing, adding a piece like him to a team

24:09

like that, like what was your initial thought and then even

24:11

just watching that team from

24:14

the sidelines, you know, seeing what they have now.

24:17

In the moment, I mean, we lost like 50. In

24:20

the moment, I was like, man, I don't

24:22

know. They're tough, they're

24:24

tough for anybody to beat. I'm like, man, who's going to beat

24:26

them? They got multiple,

24:29

I mean, Jason's had 50 in the NBA,

24:31

Jaylen's had 50 in the NBA, Porzingis

24:34

could get 50, and

24:36

Drew's had 50. He gave us 50 last year

24:38

at home. So, like three or four dudes

24:41

that have gotten 50 in the NBA are elite scores.

24:45

And then partner that with Derek White, who's

24:47

probably one of, if not the best role player

24:50

in the NBA, knocking down open

24:52

shots, can defend at a high level. I think

24:54

what they bring to the table is interesting because they have four

24:57

dudes that can defend and score the

24:59

ball. We play such randomness

25:01

offensively, and we're moving

25:04

blur screens and flares and

25:06

all this stuff. And usually

25:08

when you're playing a team with switches, everything you can

25:10

usually find the holes in that with point switching

25:13

and all that stuff. The more random you play, the better. But

25:16

watching it, it was like, wow, they're really

25:18

good. And Drew kind of covers up a lot of

25:20

holes again, being probably the best defender

25:23

in the NBA. And I think with Porzingis

25:25

at the rim, another elite, elite rim protector,

25:27

not even to mention Al Horford and

25:29

guys they got coming off the bench. So I'm

25:32

looking at them as I see them,

25:34

Philly and Denver is really the team to be in the

25:37

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25:39

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28:07

let's get into the mailbag for real. I

28:09

may have made up those questions, I'm not really

28:12

sure. I actually was gonna ask you about this

28:14

anyways, so I'm glad

28:16

that someone

28:19

wrote this in. It's the shorts, at itstheshorts

28:21

on Twitter. The soft text

28:23

we're seeing again this year are not entirely new,

28:26

but how much insight do the team's players have

28:28

on points of emphasis from the officials before

28:30

the start of each season? And

28:32

are you adequately briefed on what behaviors

28:35

could constitute a T?

28:39

I can answer that first part real quick. We

28:41

talk points of emphasis, meeting with the refs

28:43

every year, we watch a video, all teams are required

28:45

to do it, if there's any new

28:48

behaviors that could lead to a T, they let us

28:50

know that, but generally speaking, year to year, it's

28:53

the same. I do wanna bring this

28:55

taunting issue up though,

28:58

because I hearken

29:00

it, and I wanna get your

29:02

thoughts on this Tyrese, I

29:04

hearken it to these new flopping rules

29:07

where

29:09

they have this STEM concept, secondary,

29:11

theatrical, exaggerated,

29:15

and movement. That is the

29:18

sort of guideline for calling

29:20

a flopping foul.

29:22

They should have the same sort

29:24

of guideline for taunting.

29:27

I don't get why mean

29:29

mugging now is a fucking

29:32

technical. Anthony Edwards

29:34

last night, ridiculous. Giannis the other

29:36

night, ridiculous. Austin Rivers

29:38

had a great tweet about it, everybody

29:41

in the NBA co-signed it. This is what the players

29:43

want. If you get yammed on,

29:46

you deserve at least a mean mug.

29:49

At a minimum. At a minimum,

29:52

come on, we've all played basketball

29:54

in different environments other than an NBA arena. Every

29:57

fan that has played basketball has crossed

29:59

somebody up. dunked us up, whatever it may be,

30:01

blocked a shot. It's part of the

30:03

game. If it's extra,

30:06

if it's exaggerated, theatrical,

30:09

all of that, by all means, tee them up.

30:12

But can we stop with the mean mug

30:14

tees?

30:15

Tyrese, I don't need you to get your thoughts on this, man.

30:18

I like

30:21

that tangent. I love that. I

30:23

agree with you. I agree with you. I think that the fans

30:25

pay to see that. It's a part

30:27

of the entertainment side of the game. I

30:30

feel like as long as it's, like you said, it's

30:32

nothing theatrical, it's nothing dramatic,

30:34

and it's not slowing down the game. A

30:37

lot of times when dudes are mean mugging

30:39

or celebrating or whatever, if I can get

30:41

the outlet and just throw it out, then I'm not even paying attention

30:43

to that. So why does it matter? You know what I mean? They're

30:46

not getting back on defense with them, so they're not set. That's

30:48

the way I look at it. And like

30:50

you said, I feel like as players, we all

30:52

want that. We love that about

30:55

the game. Like, I

30:57

don't see a reason why to take it out. I

30:59

mean, we played Giannis the night

31:01

after the mean mug, and everybody was like,

31:03

you're going to get angry Giannis. And I'm

31:05

like, okay, okay, let's see

31:08

what that looks like. And then 54. You

31:10

know what I mean? It's like, okay,

31:12

now we see what happens. Of course, now I'm

31:14

a fan of don't

31:16

kick people out or whatever the case

31:18

may be for a taunting issue. But I do think that,

31:22

I think we have the best reps in the world, don't get me wrong.

31:24

But I do think that when a guy already

31:26

has a tech, a superstar like that, you've

31:29

got to let it go. Like, I feel like if

31:31

that ref, I don't even know who it was in that moment,

31:34

could take that back, he would have, because

31:36

kicking somebody out for

31:38

that reason, I think, is dumb. A tech

31:40

is one thing, but kicking somebody

31:42

out, I think, is a whole different game. And it needs to be something

31:46

very dramatic and very unnecessary to

31:48

kick somebody out. I feel like the refs have a good feel

31:51

about that usually. If I'm not mistaken, if

31:53

I'm mistaken on this, please, by all means, call

31:56

me out. But I

31:57

think about some of the iconic dunks. Shaq

32:01

on Chris Dudley. I don't

32:03

think that was called a technical when

32:05

he basically stood over

32:08

him, sat on him, whatever. Or was not a

32:10

tech, correct. Tipping on

32:13

Ewing

32:14

may have been a technical, I'm not sure.

32:17

But my point in all of that is we

32:21

get labeled now as like the NBA is soft.

32:24

Yeah, right. And some of this is like, no,

32:27

it's not us. You go around, I guarantee

32:30

you, if you did a poll of 450, however

32:32

many there are now, with

32:34

the two ways. If you did a poll of

32:36

the NBA players and like, should Anthony Edwards

32:38

have a tech for that? Should Giannis have got

32:40

a tech?

32:42

A hundred percent of guys would say no. A

32:44

hundred percent.

32:46

We need to get this fixed. You're

32:49

the active player. You need to get this fixed.

32:50

I know, I know. We'll talk about it. And I

32:53

think that, I mean, if that question was

32:55

asking if that was in the points of emphasis,

32:57

it definitely was not the points of

32:59

emphasis this year. It was fully focused on the floppy

33:01

aspect. But

33:04

I do think even sometimes like

33:06

that, I think somebody just got recently got a, uh,

33:08

the flopping tech after the game, if I'm

33:11

not mistaken. Um, I don't,

33:14

I don't know. It doesn't make, it doesn't always make

33:16

sense to me.

33:17

How do you think the flopping stuff is going to go as we get closer

33:19

to the playoffs? Like imagine a, imagine

33:21

a playoff game getting swung with a tee like

33:23

this.

33:25

Yeah, it'll, it'll be interesting. Um,

33:28

I think they, they, they did show one flopping

33:30

clip in the points of emphasis. It was when

33:32

James hit the move on Marcus Smart and he kind of

33:34

slid all the way out of bounds.

33:37

You know what I'm talking about? Was that the playoffs last year, right?

33:39

So there's game one, maybe, um,

33:42

that was in, that was in the points of emphasis. They said

33:44

that would be a flop. I'm, I'm, I'm

33:46

interested because it's usually the, the, the

33:48

defenders that get under people's skin, right? Those

33:51

are usually the guys who get called to the flopping techs.

33:53

I think it can be shooters sometimes,

33:55

but at the same time, I

33:57

haven't really seen it called that much. So I, I'm

34:00

not really all that concerned about it. I think that it's

34:02

something that the league wanted and

34:05

just kind of something that we have to abide by, but

34:07

understanding that. They just pissed the

34:09

shooter thing. Was that a dig at

34:11

me? That was... I think

34:13

so. I shoot two now. He's not happy.

34:16

I played with Betty. Buddy's flopping,

34:18

falling. I had a three against Charlotte

34:21

and tried to complain and the

34:23

ref said to me, he's like, that could be a flop. I

34:25

was like, okay, you could have called it. I mean, don't

34:27

tell me it was a flop. Don't let it be a flop. I

34:31

like this one from

34:33

NotReallyZeus. His

34:36

name is Ben Harvey. We've

34:39

been doing these Twitter handles all day for stuff.

34:42

There's some good ones. I

34:46

actually really like this question. How

34:49

big of a difference is it being on a losing team

34:51

versus a winning team? What's the locker room like

34:54

on a winning team versus a losing team? Can

34:56

you feel the difference in vibe between a winning franchise

34:58

and a losing franchise?

35:00

Thanks.

35:01

Thank you, Ben, for the question. Tyrese,

35:05

I did not know this.

35:07

I did not put all this together until I read theringer.com,

35:11

but you have not been on a winning

35:13

team since your freshman year at Iowa

35:15

State.

35:16

It's been a while.

35:18

But

35:18

I still think you can answer this question because

35:21

this is how I would answer this question. I've

35:25

been on winning teams where the

35:27

vibe sucked. I've been on losing

35:29

teams where the vibe was great. I've

35:33

been on winning teams where the vibe was very indifferent.

35:37

I don't think

35:39

it's about losing and

35:41

winning all the time. Winning certainly

35:44

cures a lot of problems in terms of

35:47

interpersonal dynamics and

35:49

people's enjoyment day to day of the job.

35:52

But a good group is

35:55

a good group. And when

35:57

you're going to work every day with

35:59

people. That you would gently genuinely

36:02

enjoy being around and you know

36:04

that you're building for something

36:07

That to me is a

36:10

form of winning and yes I sound like

36:12

Giannis and failure and all that bullshit, but

36:14

I truly believe that like not

36:16

every team is gonna win not every team has a chance to

36:18

win it all and

36:21

To me it's more about like do

36:23

I fuck with these people? Yes, if I fuck with these

36:25

people like I'm going to enjoy this that is

36:27

a win for me. That's

36:28

fair I look at it as So

36:32

I gotta go with my experience. So my

36:34

rookie year I

36:36

was a rookie in the NBA. So it didn't matter what the locker

36:38

room was like I was gonna enjoy myself and

36:41

like we weren't winning and then

36:43

that was not fun But and like

36:46

we felt like oh we could get in the plane It's the first year of the

36:48

plane But we were not going to get

36:50

into play and I was a rookie and

36:52

so I just had fun regardless But going

36:54

into year two Luke

36:57

got fired. It was not fun We

37:01

wanted to win and I feel like we

37:03

felt like oh we're gonna you know be different this

37:05

year But it just it kind of felt like there was this

37:07

cloud and I've talked about this before Like

37:10

it felt like there was this cloud and everything that happened

37:12

was just like oh where the Kings, you know And they've

37:14

turned it around. They're a great team now But

37:17

for me year three last year with

37:19

Indy definitely the most fun. I've had playing basketball

37:22

in a long time The vibe was

37:24

awesome. I think everybody just kind of felt Rejuvenated

37:27

to a sense and we had a bunch of young guys with new

37:29

opportunity And I think

37:31

it's continuing into this year because we have

37:34

dudes that just get along and like you I feel like

37:36

you kind of Alluded to that But when you have a group of

37:38

people who like really get along and generally

37:40

want to see each other succeed It's a little different

37:43

and I feel like my team is Majority

37:46

all young dudes who feel like they still have something

37:48

to prove in this in this league and there's

37:50

not very many egos and I know When

37:53

teams have older guys who feel like? You

37:56

know, they still have more to do

37:58

and all that stuff that that's when it's hard but for

38:01

us we have a bunch of young guys who just want to see each other succeed

38:03

and we're a deep team we play 10

38:04

guys most games and

38:07

guys are competing but it's been all in good

38:09

competition and I feel like that's helped and

38:11

I think that we had James Johnson last

38:13

year who was a really good vet for us who

38:15

kept things high and the spirit good

38:17

and I feel like that's continued into this year so

38:20

it's been it's been a lot of fun these last these last

38:23

two years but yeah

38:25

I would like to get back back to winning as soon as

38:27

possible. I want

38:29

to one more point I want to make I

38:31

was having lunch today with somebody who

38:34

is in the NBA world and

38:36

we were talking about

38:37

roster construction and we were

38:39

talking about the draft and you know

38:42

what you look for and how it's such an imperfect

38:44

science and all that stuff and

38:47

something I said to him somebody said

38:50

to a lot of people like an underrated

38:53

part of a player's profile

38:56

is joy. It's something

38:58

the ringer talked about with you I'm not trying to gas you up here

39:00

but no but I mean that

39:04

like I remember Jimmy said this

39:06

about it was like the greatest compliment that a teammate ever

39:08

gave me it was when I was in Philly my second year and

39:11

he said to the media something like I love

39:14

being JJ's teammate because he's the same guy every day

39:16

you know he comes in he's smiling he's talking and

39:19

I think about a guy on your team like TJ McConnell

39:22

right I think about one of

39:24

my teammates Tobias Harris it's like

39:27

those guys those personalities

39:30

they're as important as

39:33

anything else in the NBA they really

39:35

are it's 82 games it's literally

39:38

seven to ten months out of the year

39:40

that you're together every single day with

39:42

people

39:43

and

39:43

if there's two or three guys

39:46

on a roster that come to work every

39:48

day and are joyful like I know it

39:50

sounds silly because we're all men trying to compete

39:52

for something but

39:54

it matters and it's actually contagious I think it's contagious

39:58

yeah change the whole vibe for sure just just the energy

40:00

and you know everybody goes to a part

40:03

in the season where you know you lose a couple

40:05

in a row you lose ones that you should have and you're

40:08

not liking where you're at right now but it's

40:10

all about like responding and you just

40:12

feel the energy in the whole facility from top down

40:15

and that starts with the players but like I

40:17

feel like it makes it makes it more enjoyable

40:19

for the training staff and the weight staff

40:21

and everybody and that just keeps the

40:23

whole energy up so I feel like that's what I do with it.

40:25

Do you think with this particular team you guys as we

40:28

are taping this to the best offense in the NBA

40:29

do you

40:30

think that the way you guys play

40:32

offense leads to more joy

40:35

just with how fun it is I mean it's fun to watch much

40:37

less play.

40:38

Yeah for sure for sure I feel like

40:41

putting good energy in the ball and I think that I think

40:43

we're number one assists right now so the

40:45

ball is being moved and everybody's getting

40:47

their opportunity and I think that that helps

40:50

I think we all just play the game the right way

40:52

and when the ball is hopping like that and everybody's

40:54

kind of playing for each other that helps a lot and

40:57

we don't have necessarily anybody who's you know

40:59

ISO heavy or you know not looking to

41:01

pass out of two or anything like that and yeah

41:04

I think that that has a lot to do with it I feel like

41:07

it's kind of started with me and ran

41:09

through our roster of just

41:10

wanted to see each other succeed and you know

41:13

enjoying people's success. Dario

41:15

Calabrese wrote in he said how did

41:17

the summer with Team USA affect your start

41:19

to the season on a physical level?

41:21

Yeah so we got back from USA and

41:24

I was thinking about like how

41:27

am I going to take time before the season starts

41:29

and our trainer USA Jason is with

41:31

the Rockets he was like you need to take a couple weeks

41:34

off and don't touch a basketball so

41:36

I didn't touch a basketball for like two weeks I

41:39

lifted every day I went into the facility when

41:41

I got in town we already had about 18

41:45

guys I think we had 14 in town

41:48

so dudes were already playing pickup and all that stuff and

41:50

I was like man I want to run like I want to get in but

41:52

I understood that my

41:55

goal this year is to be able to play as many games as possible

41:57

obviously getting injured last year that was

41:59

frustrating. and I want to be able to play as much as I can. So

42:02

took a couple weeks off, didn't touch the basketball, just lifted,

42:04

then slowly got back into stuff. We

42:07

did a team mini camp and that was the first time that I

42:09

had played, you know,

42:11

since USA. But I felt fine

42:13

going into the year. I just felt getting

42:15

my rhythm back. And I think that early in

42:17

the year, like the first two or three games, I was shooting awful

42:20

from the field and we were winning,

42:22

but I was like, man, my shot don't feel right, whatever.

42:25

And then somebody pointed out to me, like kind of all of us

42:27

USA guys, we're kind of starting the year

42:29

like trash. And I don't know what

42:31

that's from. Like we just weren't making shots.

42:34

And I felt like it took somebody to get the lid off, I think like

42:37

Paulo or something had a game winner against the jazz

42:39

or something like that happened. And I feel

42:41

like that kind of got the lid off of me. I don't know how everybody

42:43

else felt, but physically,

42:46

I felt fine, but my game was

42:48

not fine in the first couple of games. It was actually just

42:50

the residual effect of losing to Germany and

42:52

Canada.

42:54

I'm

42:57

just kidding. Hey,

43:00

you brought up the shooting, you knew it was coming.

43:03

You knew it was coming. Hi,

43:06

Reese, I'm an asshole. I can't even say. You

43:09

brought up the shooting and we

43:11

asked you this, I think it was the very first time you ever came

43:14

on the podcast, which was February

43:16

of your rookie year.

43:17

But this is from Darren Harris 11.

43:20

The unorthodox shooting form, where

43:23

did it originate from? Did anybody

43:25

try to change it?

43:27

Watching the game last night, by the way.

43:30

My favorite part of the Tyrese Halliburton

43:32

experience

43:34

is

43:34

your free throw routine and your free throw

43:37

shot. I don't know why, just enjoy it. Cause when

43:39

the camera zooms in on you,

43:43

you kind of stick your tongue to the side.

43:45

And it's like, it's this,

43:47

it's like you're shooting a beer pong ball or

43:50

something like a ping pong ball, you're playing beer pong.

43:53

But where did it originate from? And I know

43:55

the answer to that. Did anybody try to change your shot? Just

43:57

take us through this.

43:59

Naturally, when I was a kid, I just wasn't strong enough.

44:03

And I'm sure you guys could pull clips and put on

44:05

the video of me in high school, like even in

44:07

my freshman year, catching the ball, having to

44:09

kind of dip it to my knees to get it up to shoot it. That's

44:12

because I wasn't strong enough. And then as I got older, I

44:14

was strong enough. But that was

44:16

what felt good for me. And

44:18

I started working with a different coach who runs

44:21

my AU program now. It was my trainer growing up,

44:24

Brian Johnikin, known in Wisconsin

44:26

as Coach B. And we used to mic and drill

44:29

all day. I'm talking about we start

44:31

practice like 10 sets of 50 in

44:33

a row. And everybody

44:37

does mic and we got to lay it up on both sides. But

44:40

usually people catch it and they drop it to their stomach

44:42

or whatever. Well, he sits on the basket

44:44

and puts his hand out. So I got to catch it above my shoulders

44:47

and just put it up and kind of get that repetition of just

44:49

finishing above my shoulders. And

44:52

I think that that kind of made me feel strong

44:55

enough and made me feel comfortable with

44:57

catching the ball high and keeping it high and not dipping

44:59

as much on my shot. And then naturally,

45:01

it was just a progression from there. Felt more comfortable

45:03

with it. Started jumping

45:05

on my pull up, which you love to talk about.

45:08

You hit a three the other night. Where you jumped.

45:11

I did. In the right side, right for the bench.

45:14

I can't wait for JJ about this. But

45:17

yeah, no, I think that everybody tried

45:19

to change it. When I got to college, Coach

45:22

Hobbs was a coach

45:24

there. Like the first couple of weeks, he

45:26

worked out with me and was trying to change it. And then he

45:29

was like, I'm not going to change it. You make it a high clip.

45:31

And then I got to the NBA. I told this

45:33

story to the Warriors. We're after me

45:36

pretty hard. And Coach Kerr called Coach

45:38

Bolton when I got drafted. It was like, we

45:40

love him. Love his jumper. Don't touch it. Like it's going

45:43

to go in. And I started

45:45

working with Rico Hines. And he was like

45:47

thinking he might change it after

45:49

a couple of days. He's like, we don't got to worry about your jumper. That's

45:52

going to go in. So I just kind of kept it

45:54

from there and adjust accordingly when

45:56

needed.

45:57

My outside observation again.

45:59

I would first of all if I would I

46:02

wouldn't change your shot either, but I

46:04

always tell people like The

46:08

aesthetic of a jump shot

46:10

Doesn't really matter

46:12

What matters to me and there's a few

46:14

exceptions to this

46:17

What matters to me is

46:20

the linear motion

46:22

so how you get from point

46:25

a to point B Which is the shooting pocket

46:27

and what your shooting pocket actually is and

46:29

both of those things for you are 10 out of 10, right? your

46:33

Your left hand is whatever but it goes in I wouldn't

46:36

I wouldn't change it Had

46:38

a thought Tyreese

46:40

Because in the last I

46:42

would say in the last year.

46:44

I've talked to people

46:46

who work for some of

46:48

the 10 teams that That

46:50

passed up on you in the draft or sorry 11 teams

46:53

you're 12, right? 12. Yeah, so some

46:55

of the 11 teams that passed up on you on the draft

46:58

and every Talk

47:00

to is like is like Yeah,

47:03

we had we had Halliburton 3 on

47:05

our board, but it wasn't my decision. It

47:07

wasn't my decision Where it'll be

47:09

like Halliburton 5 on our board, but

47:11

we already we already had a guard We had a guard so like

47:13

we know it wasn't my decision or whatever. Have you

47:16

had anybody?

47:17

Around the league come up to you and be

47:19

like we fucked up

47:21

Yeah, for sure. I'm not gonna say who well,

47:24

of course that's happened people

47:26

know people know it

47:29

was so interesting during that process

47:31

because Like it felt like

47:33

the biggest knock on me. It wasn't like it

47:36

wasn't anything that made sense. It wasn't like My

47:39

defense it wasn't I'm not

47:41

strong enough. It was like they

47:44

had worries about my like Self

47:47

creation playmaking ability and shop

47:49

making which I was like what? And

47:52

that didn't make sense in the moment still doesn't make sense now

47:55

But obviously I've taken a leap that and

47:58

it's hard to you know how

48:00

hard talent's gonna work and all that stuff. But

48:04

yeah, people have definitely came to me

48:06

from the majority of those teams for sure.

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this is for both you guys from Andrew Livingston.

50:09

Who are your surprise All Star picks? For

50:12

me it's just, I love Andrew,

50:14

loyal follower of the pod, loyal listener,

50:17

appreciate you. It's just

50:19

too early for me. It's just

50:21

too early. And Tommy and

50:23

I have placed a moratorium on

50:26

MVP talk

50:29

until after game 50. We

50:31

will not be discussing MVP on the

50:33

podcast. There are a number of other awards

50:36

and other things that we will discuss. But

50:39

after last year, stay away from

50:41

the MVP discussion. Stay away. Until

50:44

after game 50. And

50:46

I think for me, we're

50:49

recording this. Most teams have played 10 games.

50:53

So that's roughly, I don't know, 12 or 13% of the season. I

50:56

think 12.5% roughly of the season.

51:00

I'm gonna say by game 25, which

51:05

would be like mid-December,

51:07

I will be comfortable discussing All Star

51:09

appearances. I always think, Tyrese,

51:12

actually there's a question for you. You

51:14

can answer this question about the All Star thing, but there's

51:16

a question for you. How do you sort

51:19

of judge your own play

51:21

and your team's play? Because for me, I

51:23

always looked at the season in like 20

51:25

game segments.

51:28

As it got further down the line, I didn't want

51:30

to overreact to 10 games early. I didn't want to overreact

51:32

to,

51:32

you know,

51:34

five games in January. Like for me, it was

51:36

always like 20 games,

51:37

game 20, game 40, game 60.

51:40

All right, now I'm in the push for the last 20.

51:43

I never was like, I didn't want to overreact

51:46

to like a small stretch of

51:48

games where there's

51:49

so many different variables within the NBA

51:51

season, road game, home game, seven

51:53

game road trip.

51:55

Somebody's hurt. Joel Embiid's

51:57

out one game. All of a sudden, I'm not getting the looks I'm normally

51:59

getting. It's just not worth it to me.

52:02

Yeah, I would agree. I would say like 15 to 20 games. That's

52:05

the way I view it. Because

52:07

right now it's in this

52:09

moment, like, again, we talked about not

52:12

winning a ton. Like in this moment, we're

52:14

six and four. I feel like we should

52:17

be like eight and two right now. Uh,

52:19

I'm probably like, we should have won that Charlotte game.

52:22

Should have won Chicago. We said eight and two right

52:24

now. And that's like, if you like panic

52:26

about that, it's not going

52:28

well. But I should

52:30

look at like 15 to 20 games at a time. Kind

52:33

of similar to you and all-star talk. Like it's

52:36

easy for anybody to have, you know, a good first 10

52:38

or bad first 10 or whatever. Guys will

52:40

turn around like the Clippers aren't

52:42

going to look like this all year. I highly

52:45

doubt it. They'll figure it out. But

52:47

I think like I don't want, I can't

52:50

necessarily answer that question, like surprise All-Star,

52:53

but I will say that I feel like Scotty

52:55

Barnes has a good chance of being All-Star this

52:57

year. He's been balling early this year. Um,

53:00

Kate Cunningham has looked really good. Uh,

53:02

it's good to see my boy healthy and doing his thing

53:04

because he's been capable of this.

53:06

It's just good to see him healthy and playing out there. Um,

53:09

and then I'm not a surprise necessarily,

53:12

but I would say that the Timberwolves

53:14

will have two All-Stars this year. I think Ant's

53:16

obviously a for sure, but I think that Rudy

53:18

is having another, uh, deploy

53:20

season in the first 10, not

53:22

trying to overreact, but I think he's looked good

53:25

these first 10 games and, uh, I

53:27

could see them having two All-Stars. That's fair. That's fair.

53:29

Um,

53:30

Tommy, I'm going to ask one more real quick because I don't want

53:32

to let this one go because we were on the topic

53:34

and I had it deep within the, uh, 172 questions I

53:37

have in front of

53:39

me that we're picking and choosing. Um,

53:42

going back to the shooting forum for both

53:44

of us,

53:45

what is your Mount Rushmore of

53:47

great shooters with funky

53:50

shots?

53:51

Do you consider that a funky shot?

53:54

I personally don't. But

53:57

I don't either. Put them on your Mount Rushmore then. It's,

53:59

it's, it's.

54:00

different forms. When

54:03

he first came to me,

54:03

it's an orthodox, I guess.

54:05

I don't know what's considered.

54:09

I got to hear your answer for me to answer it because

54:12

I don't know who necessarily has a funky

54:14

shot or not. Okay. My four,

54:19

Reggie Miller, Larry

54:21

Bird, Michael Red,

54:25

and a

54:26

guy who was one of my big

54:28

influences, and that was Peja Soyokovic.

54:31

Peja, if you remember, his follow through

54:34

was sideways. He

54:36

really snapped it sideways. Michael

54:39

Red, a little bit of an overhead slingshot, Larry

54:42

Bird, kind of the right-handed version of that,

54:45

and then Reggie, God knows what he was doing with his left

54:47

arm. All those guys. But

54:49

all those guys, I mean, you know,

54:52

four of the greatest shooters ever, right? I

54:54

put Larry on the normal Mount Rushmore

54:57

with Clay

55:00

and Steph

55:01

and Ray, probably.

55:03

Is Joker in the conversation? I

55:06

thought about him. But when I thought of great shooters,

55:08

I thought more volume threes. But

55:10

yeah, Joker was a great shooter, and

55:14

similar, like overhead, a little funky.

55:16

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, Reggie for sure,

55:18

Michael Red, Wisconsin legend, for

55:21

sure, you gotta put Michael Red on it. That's

55:23

a good, that was a, you've pulled that out. I

55:26

had it written down. I saw the questions beforehand.

55:29

Oh, yeah, I'm gonna say, you already had the answers. I'm

55:31

gonna say, I don't know,

55:33

I don't necessarily, I don't know a ton about Peja

55:36

necessarily. But I'm gonna,

55:39

I'm gonna roll with your four.

55:41

Maybe I'm like, hopefully I'm knocking

55:44

on the door one day. I feel

55:46

like I shoot it well.

55:47

Oh, you're gonna knock on the door. I have no doubt.

55:50

Connor Clark writes, should the NBA

55:52

adapt to policy where player coaches are allowed

55:55

to speak their minds about refereeing decisions? Hmm.

55:59

I'm not serious to get the active players take on this. Ah,

56:03

that's sticky. I don't know if we

56:05

want that. He's looking at

56:07

his wallet. Listen, no, I'm not

56:09

looking at what... You're saying that we're

56:12

not going to... We wouldn't get fined.

56:15

I would say it can get sticky because there's

56:18

so many times

56:19

in an NBA game where I feel

56:21

like the refs were awful and

56:24

I go back and watch and they weren't that bad. I'm

56:27

overreacting. I'm dramatic. So, like,

56:30

in the moment I'm screaming at the ref. This happens all

56:32

the time when I'm watching film and I can see a

56:34

ref made a call that really pissed me off and

56:37

I'm stuck on it for five plays and still arguing with the ref. And

56:39

then I'm like watching film like, why am I still on

56:41

that? Like, it wasn't even that serious. It didn't affect the game that

56:43

much. I let it affect the game more by continuing

56:46

those conversations. So, I do feel like

56:48

in the heat of the moment,

56:50

it's hard because, again,

56:52

I truthfully do feel... I'm not just saying this

56:54

because I don't want

56:56

to get fined or whatever. I do

56:59

think that NBA refs are the best refs

57:01

in sports. It's a really hard job.

57:03

Referene is a really hard job. We're

57:05

moving so fast and it's hard to

57:07

officiate the guys, the

57:10

elite players in this league at

57:13

the level that they do. But

57:15

I don't think so because I feel like we can get caught in

57:18

the heat of the moment and say things that we don't mean.

57:21

And now, like, a ref might be thinking

57:23

about what you said and now

57:26

I'm not a fan.

57:28

I think that if we

57:30

allowed players and coaches

57:32

to get on a microphone after

57:35

the game with no repercussions for

57:37

their evaluations

57:39

of referees, that

57:41

it would be an unmitigated

57:43

disaster. And

57:45

the reason is, is because as

57:48

Tyreese just

57:49

spoke on, you are talking

57:51

about

57:52

coming from a place of emotion. And

57:55

when you're emotional, you say

57:57

things you will regret later.

58:00

And the byproduct of that

58:03

then becomes you've got personal

58:05

beef with the referee and There's

58:07

things that have it gets said between players

58:10

and referees like there's definitely players that don't

58:12

like certain referees And there's definitely referees that don't like certain

58:14

players Right once

58:16

those things are said publicly. Oh

58:20

It's a wrap

58:21

It's a wrap. It's a be a terrible going back on it.

58:23

It'd be a terrible thing. Yeah, it'd be a terrible thing

58:26

I don't think you know, what do you think about

58:28

what do you think about?

58:29

The questions always posed. What do

58:31

you think about? Referees getting

58:33

asked questions after games. What is your take on that?

58:36

I love it Don't we have we have pool

58:39

like a pool referee that they get

58:41

to ask Yeah, they are asked about certain things

58:44

but the idea of them going

58:46

to a press conference. I think it'd

58:48

be hilarious It'd be great

58:50

be great, you know, I just I think the discourse

58:53

would still be trash because it's like But

58:56

referees are human and they and they you know, how many

58:58

times they come to you in a game like I missed that one Oh,

59:01

yeah, I mean and like and

59:03

and that's okay. I just feel like, you

59:05

know social media world We're in it's like, how

59:07

do you miss that one? You know, you know, I mean, you know, we're never

59:10

gonna be you but I do think there's a world

59:12

where it makes sense I'm sure you've

59:15

Had referees not even just in the same game.

59:18

Like I'll I'll I'll not get into

59:20

it But like I'll have a very disputed

59:22

call or non call with a referee and

59:25

then don't see them for three weeks

59:28

and then I'm

59:29

You know on the road in Minnesota and they'll come

59:31

up to me and more up to be like hey, man I thought

59:33

that one up. I'm really sorry. I I

59:35

think

59:37

the the not the issue but the the

59:39

impetus for like any sort

59:42

of Communication between

59:44

the referees and the public should be about transparency

59:47

and I know they're trying with the last two-minute

59:49

report I know they're trying

59:51

with the pool, you know the pool reporting

59:54

I know they're trying on Twitter. You're

59:56

tracking on Twitter. They're they are

59:58

I will commend They are genuinely

1:00:01

trying to make an effort to be more

1:00:03

transparent Which is something that I think

1:00:06

both players and fans have wanted for a

1:00:08

long time

1:00:09

for sure

1:00:12

Alright, this is from Raj sing

1:00:16

Raj underscore sing was

1:00:18

Tyreese really calling for a fake

1:00:20

screen to freeze Malik Beasley in

1:00:22

that viral vid or Was

1:00:25

he just attacking early before miles

1:00:27

set the screen?

1:00:28

I was calling for a screen.

1:00:31

I definitely was calling first screen But

1:00:34

he was kind of slow. I think I don't even

1:00:37

know if miles in the game Maybe if I did Jackson, I don't

1:00:39

remember but I think they were kind of slow to

1:00:41

it And I knew that if he turned

1:00:43

his head I would be able to attack there before

1:00:45

he got there And it felt like when I pointed

1:00:47

there, maybe he wasn't even gonna come up Maybe he

1:00:49

was telling me no So I just kind of used that to my

1:00:52

advantage But I didn't even know that that happened

1:00:54

until that clip got posted after because

1:00:56

I would have shot it I didn't know that he wasn't

1:00:58

right behind me in the moment and it

1:01:01

makes me look smarter than I than I am I'm like,

1:01:03

I didn't do nothing crazy I think that he

1:01:06

just thought a screen was there and it wasn't but

1:01:08

I don't I just think the screen wasn't coming my one

1:01:11

reaction to it

1:01:12

Did you do you remember in the moment?

1:01:15

I can't I can't remember who was the

1:01:18

big in the in in the screen

1:01:20

action that was defending Whoever was setting

1:01:22

the screen on you, but did you hear the

1:01:24

big call out any coverages right

1:01:27

left? No, wrong. We know not

1:01:29

no street. No, no It

1:01:32

was just the point that that's what the room off

1:01:35

it wasn't the call Yeah, cuz I dude

1:01:37

I played on teams were in that middle pick and roll

1:01:39

I like how Stan did it which

1:01:41

was strong and weak and

1:01:44

it doesn't matter if the players strong hand is the

1:01:46

right hand It doesn't matter if the players Strong

1:01:49

hand is his left hand

1:01:50

Strong meant you were pushing the

1:01:52

ball to the right side of the court

1:01:54

Weak meant you were pushing the ball to the left

1:01:56

side of the court. I hated

1:01:59

when people

1:01:59

people started doing right left.

1:02:02

It was literally one of

1:02:04

my pet peeves where coaches would be like,

1:02:06

we're going to call right left. The big is going to call

1:02:08

right left. Okay, sounds

1:02:11

good in theory. Sounds really

1:02:13

good in theory. But then all of a

1:02:15

sudden, what if you're big

1:02:19

in the moment is calling

1:02:21

your right shoulder?

1:02:23

What he means to call

1:02:26

the defender's right hand. And

1:02:29

I get confused.

1:02:30

Or what if the big calls it right and I get confused?

1:02:32

Like,

1:02:33

there are so many things that can go wrong with right

1:02:35

left. I hated it. And

1:02:37

I didn't never got froze like Malik Beasley, but

1:02:40

I definitely got confused sometimes. And

1:02:43

then all of a sudden, you're guarding a left handed player.

1:02:45

God forbid. Your whole brain's backwards.

1:02:49

Yeah, it was interesting with USA this year too.

1:02:52

Because everybody comes from different teams,

1:02:54

everybody sets it up differently. But

1:02:56

kind of having to see that adjustment for Jaron

1:02:59

of calling like strong. I think we did strong

1:03:01

weak USA. And I think

1:03:03

that they do strong weak for the Grizzlies.

1:03:06

But I think that they change it depending

1:03:08

on the ball handler. Okay, yeah,

1:03:10

yeah. Like if like right if you're guarding

1:03:12

Manu Ginobili, strong means that

1:03:14

you send them left, weak means you send them right. Yeah,

1:03:17

right. I think that's how Memphis does it or something. And

1:03:19

that's not how we're doing it for USA. And it was interesting

1:03:21

seeing that adjustment for him. And I think for us

1:03:24

guarding the ball, like some guys like,

1:03:26

oh, we call right or left. And then, and

1:03:28

then as you said, some guys were like, oh, we call right.

1:03:31

That means the screen is coming on the right or left. The screen

1:03:33

is coming on your left. Like everybody kind of did

1:03:35

it differently. So that was an interesting, interesting

1:03:38

little dynamic with USA. Can

1:03:40

I ask you a USA question? Because I was with you

1:03:42

for part of it.

1:03:43

What was the experience?

1:03:46

Like then what is it like now? I

1:03:48

think I think you guys at the time could tell

1:03:51

just that he was sort of taking this leap, but seeing what

1:03:53

he's done, you just mentioned that he was and

1:03:55

they're gonna have two all stars. Can

1:03:57

you talk about this? You've known him for a long time. talk

1:04:00

about where he is now as a player? Yeah,

1:04:02

I mean, it's

1:04:03

amazing, like

1:04:05

the stuff that he does on the floor is ridiculous,

1:04:08

like that first game against Germany

1:04:11

where he just took over

1:04:13

the whole second half, that

1:04:15

was like the greatest performance I've ever seen in person.

1:04:18

I was like almost in awe, I was like this

1:04:20

is ridiculous, like I was

1:04:22

like bro you look like it's like the

1:04:25

bean right now, like the one he shot

1:04:27

the baseline fade and double pumped

1:04:29

over Schroeder, I was like no,

1:04:32

that's like in the moment I was like no

1:04:34

way, no way you even thought about doing that, like

1:04:36

that's ridiculous, like

1:04:38

seeing him every day the way he works

1:04:41

and you know his approach

1:04:43

to the game and the competitor that he is,

1:04:45

like the five on five runs we had were always

1:04:48

like elite and it felt like

1:04:50

his team was always majority of the

1:04:52

time winning and like he was defending,

1:04:55

like he can do everything, I think

1:04:57

Ann is you know probably

1:04:59

the best player in his position, future

1:05:02

of the league for sure, so just to be

1:05:04

there with him and see him every

1:05:06

day was very special and no

1:05:08

surprise that he's doing what he's doing and it ain't

1:05:10

gonna stop for a long time.

1:05:13

How soon until he's legit undisputed

1:05:16

top five player? Because

1:05:18

it's gonna happen at some point.

1:05:21

Yeah I would say probably

1:05:26

like three years maybe, two or three years

1:05:28

probably, like he

1:05:31

can defend too, that's what separates

1:05:33

him, like he is an

1:05:35

elite defender, like

1:05:38

that's the thing with Minnesota, him and Jaden

1:05:41

are elite point of attack defenders and he got Rudy

1:05:43

behind them, yeah

1:05:46

and special, I gave it two or three years.

1:05:48

Yeah,

1:05:49

Jetty B. Plain

1:05:51

writes, do you feel players nowadays

1:05:54

are taught to know offense and

1:05:56

not offense? I think Jetty B.

1:05:58

Plain meant it. to write, do

1:06:01

you feel players nowadays are taught to know

1:06:03

offense and not defense?

1:06:07

Seems like a simple question, but

1:06:09

I actually want to get into this a little bit.

1:06:12

You guys, as Tommy mentioned, number one offense in

1:06:14

the league, struggling a little

1:06:16

bit defensively,

1:06:17

back to back 50 balls by

1:06:19

your opponents. I

1:06:22

think when people watch the NBA,

1:06:25

a casual observer,

1:06:27

when they watch the NBA and they see a bunch of three

1:06:29

point shots going up

1:06:30

and they see people getting

1:06:33

blown by, they

1:06:35

think it's literally a lack

1:06:37

of defense.

1:06:40

I have an issue with this because

1:06:42

I think the NBA is much more sophisticated

1:06:46

and complicated

1:06:47

than

1:06:49

the levels at which most people played,

1:06:51

which was college basketball and high school basketball.

1:06:54

The difficulty of guarding

1:06:55

the greatest athletes in the world in space

1:07:00

is often overlooked.

1:07:02

All our league now is

1:07:04

space. All our league now is pace.

1:07:08

Nearly everyone on the court can shoot or you don't have

1:07:10

to guard them and those people stick out

1:07:12

like a sore thumb.

1:07:13

The answer to a pick and roll

1:07:17

when you're surrounded by, even with you and

1:07:19

Miles Turner, the answer, okay, Miles

1:07:22

Turner is going to pop, but then sometimes

1:07:24

he doesn't and he rolls.

1:07:27

It's like, let's go get a late beer. Oh shit,

1:07:29

Miles Turner rolled this time. It's

1:07:32

incredibly complicated.

1:07:35

If you can't process

1:07:37

all these things happening at once, you don't play in

1:07:39

the NBA. There's

1:07:41

a reason that offenses are on an uptick and it's

1:07:44

not because they're not being taught defense.

1:07:48

It's because these guys are so fucking good

1:07:50

and everyone can shoot and everybody plays in space

1:07:53

because they can shoot.

1:07:55

And

1:07:56

it's not

1:07:57

for lack of effort or for lack of teaching.

1:08:00

I just think it's really hard

1:08:02

to get stops in the NBA.

1:08:05

Not to mention the fact that there's guys like,

1:08:08

Kolel and B, you know,

1:08:10

Nikola Jokic,

1:08:11

Lukas Dontic, like

1:08:13

these guys are otherworldly

1:08:16

offensive players, some of the best offensive players

1:08:18

of all time in my opinion. This is not

1:08:20

about not being taught defense or not

1:08:22

wanting to play defense. Like

1:08:25

you can't guard Joelle Embiid if

1:08:27

there's four shooters on the court. It's

1:08:29

impossible. Yeah,

1:08:31

as a fact, I think that

1:08:33

something that's downplayed is freedom of movement. Like

1:08:36

in the NBA,

1:08:39

you can't touch anybody defensively. Well

1:08:41

hold on a second. How do you mean by

1:08:43

that? Because I mean,

1:08:45

look, I'm sitting courtside at the game

1:08:48

Saturday. I'm watching Dennis Schruder pick up full

1:08:50

court. He's got his hands on everybody.

1:08:52

I mean, if I'm, not me, but

1:08:55

there are certain guys in the NBA, if they drive and

1:08:58

you put two hands on them, they are

1:09:00

elite at selling. They're elite at

1:09:02

ripping through and getting your arm caught,

1:09:05

which I feel like we're at a time right now where

1:09:09

we have some of the best players ever at that, where

1:09:11

there wasn't, I feel like players today

1:09:13

are better than that, than they've ever been in any era

1:09:15

of ripping through hands, finding hands

1:09:17

and kind of going through that. But

1:09:20

I think that in space, like full

1:09:22

court, you're allowed to get into guys,

1:09:24

be physical. But I feel like when driving, it is

1:09:28

so tough. Like Giannis shot 20

1:09:31

free throws against us. 18, I think

1:09:33

you 16 to 18. And

1:09:35

like, when a guy like that is

1:09:37

running full speed at you, what

1:09:39

are you supposed to do? Because like, if you back

1:09:42

up, you're gonna dunk it. And sometimes

1:09:44

if you're like, and you try to stand them up, they're

1:09:46

gonna call it's a foul because it probably

1:09:48

is a foul. Like I'm not saying out of the 18 free throws

1:09:51

that none of them are foul. Honestly, probably

1:09:54

should have shot 22, 24, realistically. But

1:09:57

what are you supposed to do when a guy like.

1:09:59

And if you build the wall, he's gonna kick out to three

1:10:02

like Joelle by the way I'm actually is literally

1:10:04

I mean hardened for years was the best

1:10:06

but like Joelle is The

1:10:08

best like he had one against

1:10:11

you guys

1:10:12

last night

1:10:13

where

1:10:14

You guys are doubling he's baiting it

1:10:17

and then he kicks out does that a couple times

1:10:20

and then he sees That

1:10:22

the double guy is taking a terrible angle and

1:10:25

he goes right between them and he does the little

1:10:27

rip through the low gather

1:10:29

bow

1:10:29

two shots, right

1:10:32

You do it all the time too when you go to your right

1:10:34

hand you do it all the time I'm going to rip every

1:10:36

time. Right here I'm going over every time.

1:10:38

Yeah, but this is the thickest out defensively CP's

1:10:43

to do and Joelle does it now and catch

1:10:45

it. You see the hand scarring

1:10:48

them like this They rip through

1:10:50

and they don't even attempt to shot. They just walk their free throw line.

1:10:53

I'd be so mad I'd be like, oh my god,

1:10:55

he didn't even attempt to shoot it like he's just

1:10:57

so smart He's do all the time to be

1:10:59

catch it. See there's four files about to be in the bonus

1:11:02

Not even shoot it just walk right to the free throw line Oh

1:11:05

this guy man, and then and

1:11:07

then tell you how stupid you are for not knowing the

1:11:10

scouting report Yeah,

1:11:13

that's so frustrating what would you tell

1:11:15

would you see from the Spurs you

1:11:17

guys played them? Yeah

1:11:21

We can talk about how ridiculous when be is some

1:11:24

of the shots he shoots and like There's just

1:11:26

certain like you can't what do you what are you supposed to

1:11:28

do? Like think Ovi fouled him on

1:11:30

a turnaround fade away and I was like, well,

1:11:32

you're never gonna block it You're not blocking

1:11:35

a jump shot from him. Just like there's

1:11:37

no reason to swing through just put it straight in air if you

1:11:39

swing through you're gonna follow every time It's

1:11:42

interesting their young group. I think

1:11:44

they They've tried

1:11:47

to play through when be a little bit more. It's

1:11:49

a little different I think I feel like The

1:11:52

approach has to be a little different for them to

1:11:55

run more things through him But I feel

1:11:57

like he's learning right now and just understand

1:11:59

the new He he fouls a lot right

1:12:01

now But and the more he

1:12:03

plays he's gonna be better like I look

1:12:06

forward to playing him at the end of the I'm sure We put

1:12:08

them later in the season. He didn't be a completely

1:12:10

different player playing at a higher level So I'm excited

1:12:12

to see that but he does some things on a floor

1:12:14

where it's like

1:12:15

what was that? I guess he

1:12:18

does some ridiculous things where there's

1:12:20

nothing you can do except get up in that and go the other way

1:12:22

Terry's I want to answer this question, but I want

1:12:24

to get your perspective on it first. This

1:12:26

is from I am Matt Plowman

1:12:30

or maybe it's Matt Plowman

1:12:32

Either way,

1:12:34

why do some elite shooters resist

1:12:37

moving off-ball? For

1:12:39

catch-and-shoot threes. Is it ego?

1:12:41

Is it energy? I

1:12:43

say it's a loaded question though. I

1:12:45

feel like It

1:12:49

depends on the person but

1:12:51

it also I think depends on like

1:12:55

Capabilities a little bit also how

1:12:57

the offense is ran some

1:13:00

guys That's like James

1:13:02

for example, right? Like he's not necessarily a Catch-and-shoot

1:13:06

guy. I got feel like sometimes in this guy report.

1:13:08

It looks like he's not a catch-and-shoot

1:13:10

I mean for the first couple games of LA he wasn't

1:13:12

shooting the catch-and-shoot He was going for the one dribble

1:13:14

and I'm a kale blocked him the one time in the corner against

1:13:17

Brooklyn like he's

1:13:19

not just Naturally

1:13:21

not a catch-and-shoot guy because he's been so dominant

1:13:23

being one of the best shooters ever

1:13:26

off the dribble That's what he does. It gets him in his rhythm

1:13:28

He gets to his spot knocks it down like people

1:13:31

see what Steph does or what you do or did

1:13:33

sorry or or what other? Shooters

1:13:36

off the move do like that's not easy.

1:13:39

That's not easy That takes a lot of energy, but

1:13:41

also is it implemented offensively

1:13:43

like the guys aren't just flying

1:13:46

off pin Not every team is running like an

1:13:48

away action for a pin down for a shooter not

1:13:51

every team is running that Like

1:13:53

Duncan is another guy who's a lead at it in the league

1:13:55

today I feel

1:13:57

like sometimes it depends it depends on what you're

1:13:59

running running offensively, but I think

1:14:02

that sometimes, yeah, it's definitely

1:14:04

an energy thing. Dudes aren't like, for

1:14:07

me, like I don't play a ton off

1:14:09

the ball. Like I would like

1:14:11

to play more off the ball sometimes because

1:14:13

it kind of gets me more in like

1:14:15

that scoring mode to be downhill and kind

1:14:18

of can pass at the last minute. But

1:14:20

like sometimes that's just not what's needed for us offensively.

1:14:23

It's me to have the ball and figure it out that way.

1:14:25

So again, it's not easy.

1:14:27

Like the nuances of your

1:14:29

whole life, when you shoot, when we do like shooting

1:14:31

workouts or just like, you know, before

1:14:34

practice, after practice, whatever, just catch and shoot,

1:14:36

then it's off the dribble. But nobody's like,

1:14:39

like JJ, to be honest, like outside of like you,

1:14:41

Duncan, Steph, Clay, buddy,

1:14:44

maybe like I've never, you guys are the

1:14:46

only guys I've played or that are playing against

1:14:48

the NBA

1:14:49

that are flying off

1:14:51

of pin downs. Like

1:14:52

when I first got league out and I was,

1:14:54

I guard you, my rookie year, you were flying.

1:14:56

And I was like, is this what it's like? And I was

1:14:58

like, there's not many people like this. You

1:15:01

know, I feel like it just, there's just not that many

1:15:03

guys anymore.

1:15:04

Well, I think you answered that really well because

1:15:06

I do think it requires a different conditioning

1:15:09

and a different level of energy and

1:15:11

like

1:15:13

a desire to play that way. But

1:15:15

the point about offensive

1:15:18

schemes, it's a little bit of a chicken

1:15:20

and egg thing. Tommy brought this up last year

1:15:22

when we were talking about draft prospects.

1:15:25

And I said, well, you

1:15:26

know, there's not really

1:15:28

like, Joel Embiid and Nicole

1:15:30

Yokator anomalies. Nobody plays for the post anymore. Why

1:15:32

would you want to, it's not a knock

1:15:34

on a big anymore if they can't post, but then he's

1:15:36

like, well, if they never get the opportunity

1:15:39

to post, how do we know they can't post, right?

1:15:42

So some of it is that

1:15:44

offenses don't run that way.

1:15:46

But then at the same time, if you show

1:15:49

that you can fly off the screen or fly off a pin

1:15:51

down or come off a stagger screen and hit

1:15:53

an open three, Joe Harris, for example, then

1:15:56

you're going to get those plays called for you and

1:15:58

then you're going to practice them more. And then they're

1:16:00

going to run them more because you're going to make them more. It's so it's

1:16:03

a little bit of like what

1:16:05

comes first, right? I think

1:16:07

at some point you have to develop a reputation

1:16:10

to be able to do that to get the play called.

1:16:13

But

1:16:14

I was in around enough

1:16:16

teams that like the player development guys

1:16:18

aren't teaching guards how to do that. Nobody's

1:16:21

you know, you're here's your pick and roll read. Here's your

1:16:23

pick and roll read. All right, let's work on your catch and shoot. All right,

1:16:25

let's work on your side step three. It's

1:16:28

like very limited for

1:16:30

the average guy. Now the stars, they

1:16:32

get to do whatever the fuck they want to do. But

1:16:35

for the average guy, like that's that's something

1:16:37

that player development coaches are working

1:16:40

on you with.

1:16:42

Yeah, so that's I think I think you're right. I think

1:16:45

there's

1:16:45

the offensive call, the energy, and

1:16:49

it's just generally hard. Yeah,

1:16:51

when you're flying off and like you

1:16:53

would shoot you would shoot it too. I think I feel

1:16:56

like you would come off and still let your momentum

1:16:58

be carrying you to your right and and

1:17:00

be able to square and get back forward

1:17:03

where and

1:17:04

sometimes you'd have to fall right because that's just where

1:17:06

the defense was. Where I feel like

1:17:08

it's just not like you said, it's not really taught

1:17:11

that much. You know what I mean? Usually I feel

1:17:13

like most teams like you see where

1:17:15

your shot you go by what the best

1:17:17

player, best player on the team does this. This

1:17:19

is how we run our offense through the best player. This

1:17:21

is where your shots are going to come from

1:17:23

from your best player. If that makes sense, like I feel

1:17:25

like it's just not a ton of pin. I'll

1:17:28

throw Kyle in there. Kyle was like 6'8", right?

1:17:31

Clay, 6'6", big.

1:17:36

Like if you're in that 6'4", 6'5",

1:17:38

range buddy, because him

1:17:40

going left he'll shoot off balance. Marco

1:17:42

Bellinelli who I played with,

1:17:44

Steph to a degree off

1:17:47

the catch for sure.

1:17:49

Although he shoots off

1:17:52

balance, off the dribble as well. I

1:17:54

think when you're smaller, it's a necessity. Everybody

1:17:56

is

1:17:57

talking about like, oh your base isn't good.

1:17:59

No, dude, like if I did

1:18:02

perfect lower body and was like straight

1:18:04

up and down and didn't lean and all

1:18:06

that bullshit My

1:18:07

shot's getting blocked. I

1:18:09

Have to survive. It's a matter of Certain,

1:18:13

you know survival that I had to shoot that way and

1:18:15

and and how certain guys have to shoot that way Do

1:18:17

you think that that's hard for some guys that part

1:18:20

of the question was the ego thing? It's hard for some guys

1:18:22

to understand that Because if you're

1:18:24

if you've been the best shooter your whole life No

1:18:27

matter where you are. Yeah middle school high school college,

1:18:29

whatever it is And you're you know, you're the

1:18:31

best in the gym and all of a sudden you're

1:18:34

not

1:18:34

The survival thing is not always a thing that people

1:18:37

comes to them naturally right? Yeah, well

1:18:41

Yeah, I think that's probably part of it Don't

1:18:44

get discouraged young players. Don't get

1:18:46

discouraged

1:18:48

How we have to ask about this because we

1:18:50

got a lot of don't get mad. We got a lot

1:18:52

of questions about it

1:18:53

Real true writes in about the

1:18:55

Hornets

1:18:56

the last play in the Hornets game

1:18:58

What happened because you were

1:19:00

playing fucking awesome that whole game and then it just

1:19:02

kind of went to

1:19:04

win haywire at the end

1:19:05

Yeah, so I was who tried to get we got the

1:19:07

switch and I

1:19:09

did an awful awful job

1:19:11

of clock management and Getting

1:19:14

guys where I needed them to be Usually

1:19:16

when I mean I've been in that situation by three or four times

1:19:18

my NBA career every time it's been a tie game So

1:19:21

it's like when I shoot it I just need

1:19:23

to get one off before the buzzer if I miss

1:19:25

it we go to overtime anyway That was the first

1:19:27

time I've really been in that situation while we're losing but

1:19:31

watching the film back Brandon Miller

1:19:33

did a really good job of Kind

1:19:35

of they were they were doubling me

1:19:38

for the majority of the third and fourth when I got the

1:19:40

switch So like Brandon Miller,

1:19:42

he kind of kept running up I

1:19:45

could hear a cliff behind me yelling hit which

1:19:47

is most teams in the NBA call double

1:19:50

So I hear a cliff calling hit so

1:19:53

I'm like waiting for Miller to come up so I can

1:19:55

go left and Boost that was gonna

1:19:57

fill up and I was gonna read two on the backside

1:20:00

Brandon Miller kept stunting and stunting

1:20:02

and stunting. I don't know

1:20:04

if that's what they wanted from him, but it worked because

1:20:06

I was like, I'm staring at him, waiting for him

1:20:08

to come. And I look at the clock and I'm like, oh shit, there's five

1:20:10

seconds. And then I go, as

1:20:12

he crossed, hits my leg, and

1:20:15

I should have called timeout. I knew we had a timeout,

1:20:18

but then no, good hands

1:20:20

got the steal, ended

1:20:23

the game. I just, I should have done a better job. Once

1:20:25

I knew that he wasn't gonna come, I should have just got everybody

1:20:27

flat, got to the middle of the floor to allow

1:20:29

myself to play anywhere I wanted to. But

1:20:32

I was too busy reading the help side the whole time that I didn't

1:20:34

just go. So

1:20:36

yeah, I was very, very, very sick about that one

1:20:40

after, but he did what he had to do.

1:20:42

And we're gonna end there.

1:20:47

Wait, is there any more emails

1:20:50

from I hate Google Docs at Gmail? Tyrese,

1:20:53

always fun, man. It's always good to see you,

1:20:55

always good to chat. We'll see you

1:20:57

soon, bud. Yeah, appreciate you guys. Yeah,

1:20:59

thanks, man. Thank you.

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