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Hey everybody,

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good morning. Happy Monday, June 24th.

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We don't usually do these shows on Monday,

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but this week we are. It's

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a strange week because I'm traveling

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tomorrow. We'll have Robert Cheek, author

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of the new book, The Impactful

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Vegans, on tomorrow. He'll join us

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live. That book is here and it comes

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out tomorrow. Sorry, we'll have

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it Wednesday. The book comes out tomorrow, Tuesday.

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So you can check that out, amazon.com, or

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check out Robert Cheek's stuff on social media and you'll find

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him there. Alright, Doug is

0:39

here today. I lost him somehow, but

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he disappeared right as the show was beginning. So

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we will try to bring him back. I have

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him here as a dark window

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right now. There he is. There's

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Doug. He's back. Properly

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aligned. Doug, can you hear us?

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Earth to Doug. Nothing.

1:01

We got him. Okay, wait, I see

1:03

him. He's delayed and he's muted or something.

1:05

He's silent. In

1:07

the meantime, Britters has checked in. It says, good

1:09

morning, fam. I like how Britters calls us fam

1:12

now. That is very nice. And

1:14

Garuda Legends says, early check in from

1:16

Garuda. Garuda's not always quite

1:19

so early, but hello, Garuda. Anyway,

1:22

I don't know if we'll have fewer people today because

1:24

of the Monday show, which we

1:26

don't usually do, or if it will be

1:28

a normal crowd since it is the normal time and still a

1:30

weekday. But

1:33

we will find out as people trickle in. So

1:36

I hope Doug gets this situation resolved because

1:38

I was kind of counting on him for our

1:41

content in the introduction of the

1:43

show. And now he's coming in

1:46

in the guise of Matt Frazier, though. He's

1:49

my name. Can

1:51

you hear me? We hear you now, Doug. Alright.

1:55

My computer just shut down as soon as you went live. Very

1:58

odd. Well, good thing I'm a senior. Pro

2:02

How's it going Matt how was your weekend? My

2:05

became was pretty good. It was kind of low-key. It

2:07

was very very hot here Went

2:09

to a swim meet for my daughter while my

2:11

son is in Costa Rica. I Also

2:15

went to week we got a new

2:18

record. I got here in a record player for her birthday

2:20

I got her what a long time ago and it was

2:22

really bad one has the speaker attached to it apparently that's

2:24

a no-no when it comes to record players because speakers

2:26

vibrate and You don't

2:28

want your you don't want vibrations in your record player.

2:31

So it's just it's a non starter to put them

2:33

together So I finally got our turntable

2:35

not attached to speakers And

2:38

I said when I gave it this is kind of a gift

2:40

for both of us because I'm gonna use this thing

2:42

So anyway, yeah on Saturday we went to some some

2:45

Vintage kind of shop and a used bookstore and look

2:47

sorted through records all day and look You

2:50

know, it kind of surprises me that you're interested

2:52

in that Yeah, well

2:57

I'm here. Here's why we've talked about this somewhat

2:59

before and it's it's one of the pieces

3:02

of evidence I used to say that you don't believe in

3:05

science because Science

3:07

tells us that humans can't detect the difference

3:09

between a sampled Digital

3:12

file on a CD and and a record analog

3:14

sound where we have the full sound wave No

3:16

sampling and in fact the CD has it has

3:18

a wider range of sound. So in fact should

3:20

just be purely better sound But

3:24

People, you know people insist including you people like you

3:27

insist that the record player is a better sound even

3:29

though there are pops And little sounds that are added

3:31

or out of badness But

3:34

anyway, I'm kind of into the idea of doing it

3:36

what not Bluetooth, you know plug it directly into the speaker

3:39

Yeah, no sampling ever happening and just seeing what it's

3:41

like in it and honestly, it sounds pretty good when

3:43

I do that I can't say for sure that it's

3:45

better I can't say even for non sure that is

3:47

better But I like doing it. It feels

3:49

like kind of like I'm in the room with the with the

3:52

person playing an instrument And it's kind of good. Yeah

3:55

exactly I'm

3:58

glad you come around, you know It

4:00

seems really out of character for you to

4:03

go back into time and do something that's

4:05

more difficult. I mean, not really, I guess.

4:07

That's not true. You're cooking techniques. You're still

4:09

cooking techniques. Right. And

4:11

reading real books. I'm reading real books. I'm like, yeah,

4:14

sure. That's a good point. That's a good point. It

4:16

feels good to carry books around. I guess maybe because of

4:18

the amount of crap you've

4:21

given me over the years for thinking

4:23

that records sound better. Yeah.

4:26

Right. I'm really excited about that.

4:28

And what a great gift for a teenager. I think that's cool. No,

4:30

it's a good gift for Erin. Oh, Erin.

4:32

Okay. It may

4:35

look like she's a teenager, but no, she's not. She turned

4:38

44. Okay. All right. So

4:41

what albums is she into when she's...

4:44

Well, when I first got it, I got it on

4:46

the Big Chill soundtrack. That was a favorite from her

4:48

day that her parents used to listen to. And

4:53

the Jenny Lewis, you know, Jenny Lewis,

4:55

Rylo Kiley, Leadsinger, her solo album,

4:57

because Erin always liked her. But

5:00

that's kind of, you know, we just don't have that much. I know Nora

5:02

Jones' album kind of seemed like an important

5:04

record to get as far as records go. And

5:07

I bought this weekend Kind of Blue, the Miles

5:09

Davis jazz album. Sort of a must have. Almost

5:11

feels like a cliche to buy that record, honestly.

5:13

I'm slightly embarrassed buying it. I felt like this

5:15

is like what... I mean, everybody does. Comes

5:17

in, wants to do some jazz on a

5:19

record player, they get this album. But

5:22

it'd also be embarrassing if you didn't have it too,

5:24

you know? Yeah, right. Can't be caught without that.

5:26

So yeah, that was it. And then we got

5:29

some used with Linda Ronstead, a bunch

5:31

of old country things we've gotten at the flea market

5:33

near our house. So

5:35

it's a budding collection. Hard

5:38

to find like, you

5:40

know, 90s and afterward music

5:42

in the record stores. I think people just... Those used records

5:44

aren't all over the market like they are with the ones

5:47

that were out in the 60s and 70s. Right.

5:50

Tons of folk. Yeah, but

5:52

I'd like to find like... I was trying to find

5:54

the Oasis album. What's the story Morning G I

6:00

mean, I'm shrinking by my mind though. I need

6:02

to go online to find those. But that's what

6:04

I expect. Yeah, sorry. It is the

6:06

hope that as you build your collection, you're

6:08

going to be focused more on the newer

6:12

albums. I mean, that's 90s, right? That's

6:15

not new. Yeah, I know. But

6:18

albums that were released when

6:20

records were after CDs,

6:25

post-CD records or pre-CD records. No. We bought Simon

6:27

and Garfunkel's Greatest Hits. I think that's a good

6:29

example of an old record. Probably everyone has that

6:32

record too. But I don't know. I don't have

6:34

any focus. Whatever I can find that seems good.

6:36

I just thought it'd be fun to find something

6:38

modern that was

6:40

good. It was Green Day

6:42

Dookie. Almost got that. I can't believe

6:44

you didn't get that. That was

6:47

like 30 bucks though for everyone. I could just go on

6:49

Amazon Music and get this for free right now. So

6:52

that's also a challenge for me to just do.

6:54

It used to be, not that long ago, before

6:56

everybody streamed everything. But even after streaming

6:58

came out, but the

7:01

people you're still buying albums. It

7:04

used to be that when you bought the record, you'd get a

7:06

code to download the album. So then you could

7:08

own it for your iPad or your iPhone. And

7:11

then also get the record. So you pay

7:13

25 bucks maybe for a record, but you'd

7:15

get both. So it made it worth it. Now,

7:18

I haven't bought music in

7:21

so long because I just stream everything. Now

7:25

it just feels like an unnecessary expense to buy

7:28

a new album. Any of

7:30

the opposite, where every one month of Amazon Unlimited

7:32

Music, you get one album sent to you. But

7:37

so my approach recently has been like some indie

7:39

or like smaller artists

7:41

that, I don't know, it

7:44

almost feels like a way to support them is to

7:46

buy their record. Right. Yeah.

7:50

It's interesting that it is still, that is around. I asked the

7:52

guy at the store if they bought UCDs because they had a

7:54

bunch of that. And he said, no, no one wants that. Every

7:57

now and then we'll buy some 90s rap or something for 15

7:59

cents per. CD, but in

8:01

general, we don't want, we don't want your old CDs, but

8:03

they were selling. It was funny that like how, I don't

8:05

know the people, this vinyl is, has

8:07

stuck more than that, I guess. Anyway,

8:11

enough about that. Probably. Um,

8:14

how was your weekend? Like you went to the mini leaf. I

8:17

went to mini leaf and it was glorious. Matt, it

8:20

was a fan. It was just a fantastic weekend. It

8:22

was really good. Yeah. Yeah.

8:24

I didn't, I knew that all these families were

8:26

going with us like that. There was this group

8:28

because we were all, you know, on all the

8:30

dads were on text ed, but I didn't quite

8:32

realize how many families it was.

8:34

Like I didn't put two together. It's

8:37

eight families, 19 kids, uh,

8:39

all in a big giant compound. Um,

8:42

and, uh, and it worked out so well.

8:44

Like the kids just kind of entertain themselves

8:46

and there was enough space for

8:48

people to really be free. And, uh, and

8:51

so there's just kind of a lot of like kids, you

8:53

know, exploring places

8:55

and doing things and things like that, where, you know,

8:58

you kind of kept an eye on them, but relatively

9:01

safe. So, so that was great. And,

9:03

uh, and we just, we spent the

9:05

days down at the tow river, which

9:07

is a pretty decent sized river with,

9:09

uh, they could put on a life jacket and

9:12

float down a little bit and, um, and

9:14

then the afternoons and evenings, listen to

9:17

music and hanging out great. Yeah. We,

9:20

uh, Saturday night, Katie and I shut, shut the place

9:22

down at like one 30 in the morning. Actually,

9:25

we did the party went, we didn't shut down at all. Party

9:29

kept going to like at least three.

9:31

I would imagine, but, um, what the kids do, they just

9:33

work with other families went to the bed. Yeah. They were,

9:36

you know, they were asleep in the tent and, um, you

9:38

know, uh, some people stay behind a monitor

9:40

of the kids and others, the rest of us went out.

9:44

Nice. Very good. Sounds

9:46

like, I mean, sounds as you're describing it, it sounds like your

9:48

ideal scene, I can't imagine a better fit for you. Uh,

9:51

we've said that you liked the, the barbecue

9:54

scene there, you're grilling your beers with

9:56

friends. It sounds like even better than

9:58

that. Maybe there's also. sports

10:00

involved. Music. That's probably a lot

10:02

of people say that's

10:05

their scene. There was, you know, a

10:10

light parade, festival of

10:12

light kind of thing where everybody, where

10:14

they had like a dragon, light of dragon and all

10:17

these types of things that they made. Big parade of

10:19

lights, wonderful, lots of glow sticks. It's sort of a

10:21

Chinese New Year kind of thing. Yeah, kind of like,

10:23

kind of like Chinese New Year. And you know, every

10:25

camp had a different role, not every camp, but a

10:27

lot of kind of camps, you know, there was like

10:30

the light camp, there was, there

10:33

was a base painting camp, there was, there

10:36

was the fire camp and they had a fire,

10:38

you know, kept the fire going at all times.

10:41

There was someone near the stage, so the kids often hung

10:43

out around there and you weren't in a camp, you weren't

10:45

in one of these weren't like factions, you, it's not like

10:47

you were assigned to a camp that was yours. No,

10:50

no, I mean, like our, we had eight families, we could

10:52

have made our own camp. We didn't, but you know, we

10:55

could have, we could have been something, but our contribution was,

10:59

was Saturday evening, we,

11:01

we brought all the stuff for s'mores, but

11:03

then no one, you

11:05

know, we never made a fire at our spot. And

11:07

so I brought them all in, we

11:09

fed our kids, you know, all 19 of them a s'more.

11:11

And then we had, you know, 30 more. And so we

11:13

were just making s'mores for every kid who came up. It

11:16

was glorious. It was great. Wow.

11:19

Very nice. Solid, solid contribution.

11:21

I think so. Vegan

11:24

s'mores for the, for the party, for

11:26

the festival. Yeah. Very nice. Good.

11:29

All right. Well, that sounds good. Uh, I

11:32

got one more thing about Beyond Sausage, but I'll

11:34

save that for the official

11:36

announcement that is actually in, uh, in the weather report

11:39

today. So I'll pay my experience for that in a

11:41

minute. Um, you know what I

11:43

did have on the way home was, uh,

11:45

an impossible burger, impossible, um, Whopper.

11:48

And it was, it was my first one in a while

11:51

and it was very good. Yeah. They're pretty good, especially if

11:53

you haven't had them in a while. They are. Just really

11:55

good. It was like, got the whole meal, got

11:57

coffee instead of soda. Cause it was, I was very

11:59

tired. But, um, very

12:02

good. Yeah.

12:04

I haven't heard any comparisons in a long time.

12:06

I just, I wonder what I'm having that like,

12:08

is this what a normal omnivore get tastes when

12:11

they go get fast food is am I having

12:13

the identical experience minus the cheese and the mail,

12:15

which I wouldn't probably get anyway. I wouldn't get the mail anyway. Uh,

12:19

it must be almost as close as you can get to the building.

12:23

All right. Good. Um, well, let's get to

12:25

our weather report. Uh, reminder, we're off next week

12:27

and we're off tomorrow. Cause I'm traveling. I started

12:29

to set at the beginning, but not everybody maybe

12:31

was here. Uh, and then we'll have Robert

12:33

on a Wednesday. Very

12:37

exciting. Uh, let's jump in

12:39

first item actually from our friend, Mr. Jeffrey,

12:41

he, he Instagramed us, uh, a story.

12:46

Canada. So you have the, had the link

12:48

for that. You can pull it up as

12:50

our multimedia guy and you can play

12:52

that for the nice people and

12:55

then we'll critique it. Okay. There's

12:57

something I like about this. Oh

12:59

yeah. I hear that. Was

13:01

a hundred times better than anything old he's ever made. All

13:04

right. All right. Let's play the commercial. I've

13:09

been a kind, decent Canadian. It's William Jatner by

13:11

the way. The Canadian way. Can you hear it?

13:13

But when I see what open, I

13:16

can't, okay. I can't hear it. I didn't hear him say his

13:18

name and I think he probably, okay. I'm going

13:20

to start over. That

13:22

Simon farming is doing to the environment

13:25

and while I just can't be

13:28

Canadian, man, as the tech guy here, hold

13:30

on. All right. Here we go. It's

13:37

not sound. There's no sound. Oh

13:39

my God. It's okay. Starting

13:42

over. Here

13:45

we go. Take the. It's

13:47

a century. I have been

13:49

a kind, decent Canadian. It's the

13:52

Canadian way. But when I

13:54

see what open that Simon farming is doing

13:56

to the environment and the wildlife, I just

13:59

can't be. Canadian about

14:01

it any longer so repeat

14:06

after me F***

14:08

off! Open that fence Simon

14:10

Farms! Your a**hole Simon

14:12

Farms is a f***hole of wild Simon

14:14

population! It's a s*** state on our

14:16

nation! Now you ever go! Get f***ing

14:19

sideways you open that f***. Yes!

14:22

Get bent you f***ing sack!

14:25

Ooh! F*** off! Open that sandbar!

14:28

Now you got it baby! Open

14:30

Pen Farms should really reconsider their practices. What the

14:33

f*** Kirk McLean? Come

14:35

on man you're a hockey

14:37

player! Sorry your s***'s unnatural

14:39

practices f***ing suck! That's great!

14:42

It's f***ing you that the f***ing action!

14:44

Suck you like that you cannot die! They go

14:46

as no f***. Alright

14:51

so if you were listening and you didn't see it, they're

14:53

all kind of standing out in different wilderness scenes. One

14:56

of them is on a lake, one of them is, William

14:58

Shatner kind of has mountains and trees behind him. And

15:01

I guess the different people might be known, I'm not sure the

15:03

one guy is the hockey player. I

15:05

don't know if the others were famous people. But yeah

15:08

a couple things. First

15:10

of all I didn't realize William Shatner is 93 years old and he

15:12

certainly doesn't look 93 years old in that

15:14

commercial. As I was watching it before I realized he

15:16

was, I would have guessed he was probably 80, 75?

15:20

I don't know, he looks great. He's not vegan.

15:22

We don't know anything about William Shatner and plant

15:24

based diets. No, never heard that. Let me

15:26

look it up but I don't think so. And

15:29

it's a little hard to understand with the audio of

15:31

that commercial unfortunately. But he's

15:34

saying, they're talking about open net salmon farming.

15:36

I think it's farming. And

15:39

I don't know exactly what that is. But obviously it's something that's

15:41

cruel to animals or bad for the environment. Probably

15:44

catches a lot of other animals in there I'm guessing. So

15:47

anyway, I don't know. I'm not going to be vegetarian but unconfirmed. Oh

15:50

yeah? Okay. Well

15:52

you know, n equals 1 evidence. You can look really good

15:54

when you're 93 if you're vegetarian. Yeah,

15:57

I don't know. I

15:59

mean I got a good... I

16:01

just thought it was pretty funny. It's

16:03

just unexpected. You don't expect him to do that,

16:05

and then everyone else is yelling at that same stuff. You

16:07

just don't see that on TV, and

16:10

especially with the background of being proper Canadians. Yeah,

16:15

I mean, I just thought it was good. Yeah,

16:17

I think it's good, too. I think it's really

16:19

funny. I think it's a good conversation

16:21

starter. If you're trying to get a movement

16:24

going or get people rallied up, be around

16:26

something, something unexpected like that, I

16:29

think is great. Most people

16:31

probably don't even know anything about that company or haven't

16:33

thought about how it might be harming the environment. So

16:36

now they do, or now they

16:38

can at least think about it. Yeah,

16:41

do you think that would work for impossible?

16:45

Because the impossible ads really aren't very good. Maybe

16:47

it's beyond. I don't know who's advertising, but they're

16:49

just not very good. It's just like this stuff about, they're

16:52

trying to appeal to meat eaters, right? They're making these

16:55

goofy kind of meat things, like saying how much

16:57

we all love meat and we want to meet better.

16:59

I forget what they're saying. And then we say, well,

17:01

let's enjoy our meat and have it this way. I

17:05

don't know, that just seems so bland and like

17:07

tepid. Whereas this kind of seems in

17:09

some weird way edgy, everything's bleeped out,

17:11

so it's not really offensive to anyone, but it's

17:14

just, I don't know, this is just, I just

17:16

thought it was good. No, I think it works

17:18

because it's not selling anything. It's like a protest.

17:20

That makes it easier, yeah. Right, if you were

17:22

like yelling

17:24

F off to the meat industry

17:26

or something like that and you were selling a plant-based burger, it

17:28

wouldn't work, you know? Right, right.

17:31

Maybe if you were yelling at other plant-based burgers, like

17:37

the old style plant-based burger.

17:39

Right, that might actually work better than yelling at the

17:41

meat industry. Yeah.

17:45

In the very beginning of that commercial, before

17:47

we started yelling and saying obscenities, when

17:50

he said this thing about being Canadian, and

17:52

it's the Canadian way, which is a little weird that he said,

17:54

I'm like a good Canadian, that's the Canadian way. That

17:56

sounded like oddly redundant to me. But

17:59

as I heard it, I was like. You know what, this is not like,

18:01

this is the Canadian way, that's my way. Not

18:04

protesting, not trying to make a scene, not trying to attract

18:06

attention, just going with the flow a little bit. I

18:09

just like, that's great. I think I'm gonna

18:11

move to a country where everyone is Canadian and there's no. Canadian

18:14

protest, huh? Do they

18:16

protest? I don't know. Absolutely, yeah. They're

18:19

just polite with their protest. That's what I

18:21

like, like politeness, right? I don't consider taking over

18:23

a restaurant and storming, stomping around

18:25

it with signs and a megaphone,

18:28

that's not polite. And every

18:30

other protest that I hate is not

18:32

considered polite. The messing up of artworks or

18:34

dumping milk on the grocery store floors, right?

18:37

Like that doesn't happen in Canada, as far

18:39

as I know. So.

18:41

I think it probably does. But. I

18:44

saw a video clip or an Instagram

18:47

of the

18:49

Canadians yelling for an encore for an

18:52

American band and they were yelling. One

18:54

more song, please, one more song. I

18:56

love how that was so funny. That

19:00

is true. There

19:02

you go, well good for Canada.

19:04

I feel like Canada needs good bread. I feel like there's a

19:06

lot of anti-Canada rhetoric in the US. Maybe

19:09

that they're just sort of, not enough pushover

19:12

types. Anyway, okay,

19:15

so there you go. Thank you, Mr. Jeffy, for sending that.

19:17

Still making meaningful contributions to the show, even though he's not

19:20

here. I don't know why he's saying more. I

19:22

like it. All right, next

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Plant Based News had an article

19:43

about it last week kind of pointing out that it was this

19:46

fairly bad ingredient that everyone I guess

19:49

points to when they talk about the ultra

19:51

processing of these plant meats. And methylcellulose is

19:53

almost always in there. I never

19:55

really knew what it was or even had noticed it on a

19:57

label, but when they said the name, I was like, I definitely

19:59

have seen that. for, um, is

20:02

it's a cellulose based compound that is non toxic,

20:04

but cannot be digested and

20:07

therefore it's criticized. I Google and I couldn't

20:10

find anyone really saying anything bad about it.

20:12

Uh, plant based news acknowledges they say,

20:15

well, well, methyl silos is generally considered

20:17

harmless. Uh, the Larima is not

20:19

the only brand seeking to set themself apart

20:21

by emphasizing fewer ingredients and effective nutrition. So

20:24

it's one of these things. And I think you're seeing this in

20:26

general across place plant based meats. There's

20:29

all this criticism about the ingredients list and

20:31

the ultra processing. And even if it's not

20:33

a problem, which we don't know for sure

20:35

that this stuff is bad, because in

20:37

these studies, like, I know the ultra processed food doesn't

20:40

do well, but these in particular, when they're studied, just

20:42

limiting it to the plant based meats, they don't appear

20:44

to be worse for you than regular meat, uh, in

20:46

almost any, any categories and then some they're better. So

20:48

I don't, I don't know if they need to be

20:50

cleaned up, but that's people are doing to at least

20:53

improve the perception. Uh, so this

20:55

is, this is happening. Uh, and

20:57

they're saying that this solution of these new

20:59

clean label binders that they're making, uh, from

21:02

wheat based raw materials that

21:04

it will help produce plant based products entirely free

21:06

from E numbers. And I didn't know what E

21:08

numbers were either, but I looked them up. E

21:11

stands for European. Um, and

21:14

you know, basically it's like here we have, I

21:16

think different food colorings and things that

21:18

have numbers with them. That's the European numbering system.

21:20

So I'm guessing that methyl silos has a number

21:23

associated with it because it's one of these who

21:26

knows food additives. Uh, Doug, I see we

21:28

walked there for a little bit. Did you catch any of that? Yeah.

21:30

Yeah. No, I was there. I was, uh, I was trying

21:32

to highlight you make you, I was trying to work the.

21:36

Work the video here. Okay. Garuda

21:39

says, what's the point of eating it? If you can't even

21:41

digest it, it sounds like a scam. I, by that logic,

21:43

I think Garuda, you'd have to say that all fiber is

21:46

a scam. Cause I don't think fiber. So

21:49

that's a, that is faulty that one. Um,

21:51

all right. So yeah,

21:53

that's, that's the, I mean, I don't, I don't know much about

21:56

that. Except methyl silos. I don't know. It does kind of gross

21:58

me out. I will give you that Garuda. It doesn't seem. I

22:01

don't know. It just seems weird to add something to food

22:04

that that can't

22:06

be digested. It's weird Alright

22:10

so we'll move on from there and

22:12

I should I'm gonna skip down on

22:14

that topic beyond meat Unveiled the

22:16

fourth iteration of the beyond sausage Which

22:19

is basically they did the beyond sausage what they

22:21

did to the beyond burger patty and that is

22:23

swap out the avocado swap in avocado oil swap

22:26

out the coconut oil resulting

22:29

in much much lower saturated fat in

22:31

this case only two grams of saturated

22:33

fat per link of beyond sausage and

22:36

17 grams of protein that's a 66% reduction

22:39

in saturated fat and We

22:42

went after our day of shopping for the vinyl records

22:44

We needed to find some dinner and people

22:46

said let's get some pizza. Let's do that and I said no we're

22:48

not gonna do that We're gonna cook food because I don't I'm sick

22:50

of getting pizza. I'm sick of you

22:52

know, just opting for for junk So we made

22:54

a pasta dish and said in this

22:56

case, we're gonna make something good. We're gonna have the beyond

22:58

sausage We don't do much even I

23:00

was expecting that to go ingest coconut oil

23:02

for my you know Bad for my heart health

23:05

and I got there and I saw this beyond sausage

23:07

had avocado oil. They already updated it So I was

23:09

like, I got it but they I didn't

23:11

even know it was brand new I just was surprised to see

23:13

it and we got that and

23:15

I thought it was just as good as as the

23:17

other sausage And that is one of my favorite meat

23:19

products or plant-based meat products are these beyond sausages? So

23:22

now you can get them without coconut oil. That's it's a big

23:25

win and I

23:27

like it was good. I mean, it's

23:29

you know, I haven't had real sausages and so so long

23:31

So I can't compare but it tasted

23:33

as good or better than the normal beyond

23:35

sausages. No again,

23:38

I think I think just like with the burgers like it's It's

23:41

not quite as like decadent tasting and rich

23:43

as the coconut oil would make it but I'm just

23:45

so used to that that it's actually in some

23:49

way better or more familiar being not Enriched

23:52

so I was happy with it. I don't know, you know,

23:54

it does have methyl cellulose I said was the sixth ingredient

23:57

and in that plant-based news article they mentioned I think

24:00

It was the plant-based news article mentioned that usually it's

24:02

in the 2% or less Yeah meat analogs typically contain

24:04

less than 2% methyl cellulose But I

24:06

looked on the back of this beyond sausage and

24:08

it's not it's not in the 2% or less

24:10

It's there just before the 2% or less

24:14

You know category begins. So there's

24:17

a decent amount in there and probably is in a

24:19

lot of plant-based meats. Hmm Interesting.

24:23

Well, I'm glad you found it. You didn't

24:25

happen to see the Oscar Meyer not cool

24:28

No, I've taken a look at those recently

24:30

happened to have you know, just What's

24:33

the what's that reticular activating system where you just you're

24:35

just gonna notice things It wants to kind of on

24:37

your rate even if you're just subconscious But

24:39

this is more than that I pay attention each time I pass the

24:42

hot dog aisle and would you buy it? Yeah,

24:45

I'd buy them. I buy them to give them a try not not

24:47

saying I'd be a repeat buyer Cuz I don't really want

24:49

to eat much of this stuff, but I would definitely try

24:51

those. Yeah. Yeah same here No,

24:55

but I'm looking for them like you

24:59

You get eager to give them a shot. Yeah,

25:01

good. Yeah, I type launch All

25:04

right up next quickly slutty vegan.

25:07

They are they're doing a one-month Pop-up

25:10

kind of thing in LA from June

25:12

24th to July 24th. That's happening

25:15

on Melrose Avenue I don't know where that is.

25:17

That's the name is Melrose place Doug or different

25:20

different. It's like an important Avenue All

25:24

right, and almost done here with

25:26

weatherboard upside foods is going to

25:29

introduce a cultivated Sorry, they're going to have

25:31

announced that they're hosting a free one night only

25:33

pop-up tasting in Miami of their cultivated meats It's

25:35

on June 27 at 6 30 p.m. Eastern They're

25:39

celebrating freedom of food. This is ahead of

25:41

the Florida ban on cultivated meat Which

25:44

goes into effect on July 1st, so

25:46

this is just for that Yeah,

25:49

this is like the first and only chance ever

25:51

to try a cultivated meat in Florida You

25:54

know legally I Wish I

25:56

were down there because you can like anyone can go to this.

25:59

It sounds like they have a during

36:00

the summertime, especially So

36:03

I don't I don't know about that Then

36:06

they give some stuff about don't be don't make it too

36:08

strenuous doesn't have to be strenuous to count Chores

36:10

don't count but something like yoga and walks

36:15

You know walks walk is it not just acceptable it

36:17

is encouraged so you could do a walk And

36:20

call that your one of your forty-five minute workouts. That wouldn't be so bad

36:23

By the way, there's a blog from this Andy for

36:25

Zella calm. I'm just gonna put a link to one

36:28

of them This is a blog

36:30

post about the workouts in particular, but I'm

36:32

sure you could you could from here find I've

36:36

got I've got the rules up on the screen as well

36:38

if you're watching the YouTube. Oh good Okay,

36:40

but it is that with no carbonated water. It doesn't I don't

36:42

think it means you can't have it I think you can it

36:44

just doesn't count towards your gallon That's

36:46

that's my sense because there's something else later. Yeah, not

36:49

well. We'll get to this in just a second So

36:51

hold that thought next read

36:53

ten pages of a nonfiction book You

36:56

think will improve something about you, and they've

36:58

got a recommended book list That's

37:00

pretty hard for some people. I think some people just don't want to

37:02

read nonfiction books. They just find it really boring That

37:05

wouldn't be too hard for me But it still would be some

37:08

you know another thing to box a check each day And they'd

37:10

be easy to get to them things that damn I didn't do

37:12

my reading yet and you can imagine

37:14

that just happening in a lot of areas where it's like

37:16

wow Like I gotta still do this thing But

37:19

you know that that sounds pretty good I

37:24

Physical book or e-readers both okay, but audiobooks

37:26

do not count and I kind of like this this

37:28

I've been arguing this for a long Time that does not count as

37:30

reading But some people will

37:32

say it does I'm not saying it's a

37:35

bad thing I just think it's not the same as reading

37:38

and then this rule I'm not a big fan of this if you start a book

37:40

you must read it all the way through I Thought

37:42

as I've gotten older that one of like the nice distinctions I made

37:45

is you don't need to finish every book you start I used to

37:47

have this thing like if I start a book I've got to finish

37:49

that thing But that's how you get

37:51

stuck and like just stop reading entirely because you are

37:53

on a book and you're supposed to finish it But

37:55

you hate it, so I don't like that

37:57

rule, but I guess you're gonna do 75

37:59

hard you You got to stick to it. All

38:01

right. Almost done. But

38:03

these are the big ones. These are big ones. Follow

38:06

a diet. You get to choose your diet. You

38:09

can't cheat on the diet. So they don't tell you anything else about

38:11

it. I don't know if you can just say vegan is my diet.

38:13

I kind of don't think you can do that because I think it's

38:15

supposed to be a health thing. And just as

38:17

we've said a thousand times in the show, just

38:20

being vegan doesn't make you healthy because

38:22

that all the time shows us about vegan ultra processed stuff

38:25

is no good. So

38:27

you have to define some sort of rules. And I'm

38:29

sure that's OK. It doesn't have to be

38:31

a named popular diet. But you got to

38:33

do a diet and then no

38:35

alcohol whatsoever. But the diet can

38:37

be like no snacks after 9 p.m. That's

38:40

right. Just because

38:42

they say, for example, if you choose to

38:44

follow the diet of no snacks, food or meals after

38:46

9 p.m., etc. So you're right that

38:48

I guess you could just pick a very kind of

38:51

broad diet that has a few little rules in it.

38:54

So, I mean, like for myself, because I was thinking about

38:56

this. If I'm going to do it, OK, I'm not obviously

38:58

not going to. Or

39:00

not obviously, I'm not going to go on some crazy diet, but

39:03

I could do it. I could definitely do like a

39:05

no snacking diet or no no

39:07

food after eight diet or something like

39:09

that. And that would you know, that would

39:11

be that would be a change up and a challenge in some

39:13

ways. But and also,

39:16

you know, as as we know from or

39:18

as I know from my personal intermittent fasting

39:21

trials, like, you

39:24

know, if I if I'm not snacking or if I'm doing

39:26

something special around breakfast or not eating breakfast like

39:29

that, then I tend to eat healthier throughout the

39:31

rest of the day. So,

39:33

you know, I think I think something like that could work. Yeah.

39:37

And this I mean, this would be attractive to me. I

39:39

would definitely want to. I mean, to me,

39:41

the point of this is you upgrade a whole bunch of areas of

39:43

your life at once that like maybe at any given time you'll focus

39:45

on one of these areas. But this is making you focus on a

39:48

bunch of them at once. And so I'd

39:50

want to like go for it with a diet. And

39:52

as I was imagining myself doing this, I was thinking

39:54

that that Tim Ferriss slow carb thing definitely modified because

39:56

it's hard to do it in a plant based fashion.

40:00

But you know, I would I would modify it. I would add

40:02

some fruit back in there's some things you can't do under that

40:04

I think are not a good idea for 75 days But

40:08

it's just it's hard to do that without a bunch of fake meat.

40:10

That's the problem So I don't know what I would do for diet but

40:13

something around there and then finally I

40:15

mentioned no alcohol He

40:17

does say that non-alcoholic drinks like Oh duels

40:19

are okay And this was very surprising to

40:21

me because then I would think that means

40:24

things like carbonated water, which they just said

40:26

is not okay That that probably

40:28

is and now like what about every other drink is

40:31

is caffeine. Okay? Are

40:34

they don't I guess, you know sugary

40:36

whatever drinks are okay As long as that's on your

40:38

diet that you choose so you got to

40:40

be intelligent I guess about how you design this stuff And

40:43

he never mentions this guy Andy who

40:45

writes the book never mentions anything about

40:47

intoxicating substances like cigarettes marijuana shrooms illicit

40:49

drugs, etc so

40:52

they don't they don't do that and then it says

40:54

take a progress picture and I have

40:57

some recollection of maybe this person

40:59

I know or maybe it was someone else doing a picture

41:01

every single day Is that that what

41:03

a progress picture is Doug you you know that part of

41:05

this? Yeah Yeah, you

41:08

do it every single day. It's not just a one down time before.

41:10

Well, I mean, I know once a week I mean regularly I

41:12

would say okay, right All

41:16

right Apparently there are more phases you can

41:18

do if you finish 75 odd you can do another phase This

41:21

blog has all kinds of stuff. So there's lots you can do and

41:25

That's it. That those are the rules. So

41:27

you're so yeah, I Am

41:29

interested. I think it'd be really cool to get through 75

41:31

days. I'm sure there'll be some challenging times But the woman

41:34

who I talked to about this She

41:36

sounded very excited about it I think she was about a

41:38

month in and she was telling me that she

41:40

was did not think she was gonna go back to Drinking afterwards

41:43

because she just loved how it was doing and that you know

41:45

I can imagine getting to that point where if you've done

41:47

this stuff for a month all this You're

41:49

probably pretty high on life and and positive

41:52

and you you know Your body's feeling and

41:54

looking better and your energy is probably good. You're probably

41:56

sleeping Well hard to imagine that you wouldn't

41:58

be right you're kind of cutting out I

42:00

assume that other drugs would not be on the table

42:03

here. So

42:05

he doesn't mention them. I'm assuming those things are off

42:07

as well. So you're kind of living a pretty

42:09

natural lifestyle here and you're moving the amount that we're

42:11

probably supposed to move. I

42:14

don't know. I mean, it seems like a nice thing to go

42:17

for and try. So Puppycat

42:20

says there's also a 25 easy where

42:23

the rules are more attainable. And just Google it.

42:26

Yep. And it's called 75 Soft.

42:31

Okay. And it

42:33

is eat well, incorporate more nutritious foods

42:36

and only drink on social occasions. Train

42:39

for at least 45 minutes a day. Yep.

42:42

Drink three liters of water a day and read 10 pages

42:45

of any book. So basically, your

42:48

diet's a little more easy. You can have

42:50

alcohol on social occasions and then you train for 45

42:53

minutes a day or at least 45 minutes a day

42:55

instead of two 45 minute sessions.

43:00

Yeah. I mean, I saw this, I didn't see

43:02

this. I saw that there was this and I saw that there's

43:04

also a 75 medium in

43:06

this Reddit post where it said, if this isn't for you, if

43:09

you don't care about the bragging rights of having done 75 hard,

43:12

there's these two other options. So I didn't click on those,

43:15

but I think you did see what the medium is.

43:17

Because I think that's really interesting. All

43:20

right. Here's 75 medium. Here's the

43:23

main. Here, I'm pulling it up here.

43:28

All right, 75 medium. Follow your

43:30

choice of diet that you can stick with.

43:32

One 45 minute workout. No

43:35

alcohol cheat meals. So okay, so they're making

43:37

the no alcohol part. Half gallon water. See,

43:40

I don't think the water would be that hard. No. As

43:43

long as you're kind of only drinking water for you throughout the day

43:45

drinks, seems pretty easy. Read

43:47

five pages and take progress picture.

43:50

So this is less

43:52

pages, half the water.

43:54

You're still not drinking alcohol and no

43:56

cheat meals. One workout. and

44:02

your choice of diet. So, I mean, this

44:04

one almost sounds harder than the, or

44:06

easier than the soft. Right. Yeah,

44:09

so the 75 medium that I'm seeing says basically,

44:11

you take the original rules once we went

44:13

through and then you kind of adapt

44:16

as needed ahead of time, I think, and

44:18

then, you know, that's okay. So it says like, for example, you wanna

44:20

do audio books, that's fine in 75 medium. The

44:23

workout's three hours apart. If you don't wanna do them three hours

44:25

apart, that's okay in 75 medium. So you can kind of just

44:27

bend a bunch of rules and now you've got your 75 medium.

44:30

So who knows what the official one is. Maybe there is no

44:32

official one. I

44:35

mean, what do you think's better, Doug? The soft one that you said

44:38

or the full one? Well,

44:41

I mean, I guess it depends on what your goal is. Wait,

44:45

the goal is 75 days from now,

44:48

you know, be healthier, feel great. I

44:52

guess what I'm saying is, obviously

44:55

the 75 heart sounds like it would be better, but the chances of

44:57

you failing on that plan, I mean, the

44:59

two workouts a day, twice a day, that's pretty massive, right? But

45:02

so if you have to pick one, say I'm doing this for the

45:04

next 75 days, whether I fail or not, this is my thing I'm

45:06

doing. I kind of feel like the soft is

45:08

a better bet. Now

45:10

you can do 75 and it doesn't work, switch to the soft

45:12

and that's probably the smartest thing you can do.

45:14

Well, yeah. I mean, I kind of think

45:16

it's better too. I mean, there's just, because

45:18

I like challenges, I love challenges. I get

45:21

excited about challenges and they work for me.

45:24

And I was reading this,

45:26

I was like, you know, it sounds kind of crazy.

45:28

That sounds like a pretty good challenge, but 75 days

45:31

is long, right? Oh, two and a half months. And,

45:34

you know, and if I did that right now, there's

45:36

at least two vacations in there. You

45:39

know, there's a couple holidays, there's a trip

45:42

that, you know, a guy's weekend trip. You

45:46

know, I mean, there's like all kinds of things that are happening

45:49

and it's not,

45:51

it's like, okay, I can do those without

45:53

alcohol, that's fine. But

45:55

also getting into workouts a day, like

45:57

that's gonna be very disruptive to the

45:59

family. you know into the plans and

46:01

like I Got I just

46:04

don't know how I could do that very

46:06

well, right? right

46:09

And so and so so for me, it's

46:12

just it's almost like a non-starter But

46:15

the soft like a workout working

46:17

out every day doing some

46:19

sort of food challenge like where you're

46:21

you know, some sort of healthy food choice challenge and

46:25

Maybe no alcohol at home or no alcohol any

46:27

night food Friday night or something like that Like

46:29

right all that kind of thing. I could totally

46:31

get behind that would be exciting to me and

46:33

so that a soft a modified version is almost

46:35

I Mean,

46:38

it's almost better because it's not a non-starter Yeah,

46:42

and that's what I'm getting at is that's why maybe that

46:44

one is the better choice But you

46:46

know what with the 75 hard like there's a lot

46:48

of talk in these reddit posts about like You

46:51

don't get the bragging rights or you don't get the

46:53

whatever if you cheat on this thing It sounds to

46:55

me like there's a there's a pretty big community around

46:57

here and maybe if you were involved in that It

47:00

would be much more meaningful to you to say I completed the

47:02

75 hard thing Whereas if you're just one person on your own

47:05

and no one you know does this thing It doesn't really feel

47:08

like that important But I just I

47:10

have the sense that if you did 75 hard when

47:12

you finish that like you You

47:15

know in many ways you have you have changed the

47:17

direction of your you know The health

47:19

of your life I guess the direction of your health Where

47:22

you might say I am never going back to drinking after that

47:24

or I'm just not interested in it I'm not gonna do

47:26

whereas 75 soft and the same with the workouts But if

47:28

you work out every single day for for two

47:31

different periods of 45 minutes like you're in

47:33

great shape at that point You're gonna have

47:35

great blood work, especially if you're dieting

47:37

pretty well, you're gonna be stronger

47:39

You're gonna have less fat like you're gonna

47:41

you're gonna have transformed something about your physical

47:44

body Um Whereas

47:46

you start by these rules and then you get you might have something that

47:48

at the end you're like, yeah, I feel pretty good I'm proud

47:50

of myself for doing it But it's just not gonna

47:52

be like a this was a moment an inflection point

47:55

in my life when everything changed because I did this Thing right

47:57

and I I think that's kind of what is

47:59

exciting is that thing. Then again, it

48:01

was the problems you said, like, I

48:04

mean, it would be really hard to do anything that's just

48:06

not normal routine in your house and

48:09

actually not cheating on this thing. And it would be terrible

48:11

60 days in and then like

48:13

decide to cheat on your guys weekend thing

48:15

because you're, yeah, totally. I think

48:17

whatever. I almost think

48:19

90 minutes, just like saying a blanket 90

48:21

minutes of workout is way

48:24

more attainable than two 45 minutes. And having

48:26

to separate it. Yeah. Yeah, I

48:28

don't know what, I just like force

48:30

you to just have more discipline. Just

48:32

make it harder. Yeah. Yeah. I

48:36

mean, I don't think in most cases. I

48:38

would imagine a lot of people probably do two different types of

48:40

workouts that could be good. Yeah.

48:43

Well, if one of them is walking, you know that

48:45

then it becomes approachable to me, right? I could take

48:47

a walk either in the evening or the morning and get

48:49

in the habit of that's something I do all the time. Put

48:51

on a podcast or an audio book, wouldn't count as my

48:54

reading obviously. And like just grind

48:56

that out and probably feel great at the end of it. But

48:59

then you still have to do one workout earlier in the day or whatever.

49:01

Like that's kind of. And you just, you still

49:03

have to do that, right? For 45 minutes. And it's

49:05

not like, like, let's say you're going on vacation. You're

49:08

walking a lot as you're wandering through town. Like that

49:10

wouldn't count because it's like 10 minutes here. 10

49:13

minutes there. Yeah.

49:15

Does it say that 45 minutes has to be continuous? I

49:18

don't think so. But probably

49:21

based on everything else, I'm guessing they don't wiggle

49:23

much on that. Yeah.

49:28

I don't know. It's in my head. I'm not committing to anything

49:30

by any means. Cause this is, this would be a stretch to try

49:32

to do this whole thing. But

49:34

I don't know. I will

49:37

say. I mean, yeah, I do really, because

49:39

like you said with the challenge, I do

49:41

really like the idea of having a total,

49:43

like 75 days is long enough to have

49:45

a real body transformation. Yeah.

49:48

And honestly, if you did any one of these things, and then

49:50

not the reading, but most or the

49:52

water, but if you did any one of the

49:55

diet, the workout or the alcohol,

49:57

that alone for 75 days would be a pretty serious

49:59

commitment. And you probably have serious results

50:01

at the end of that and say, I'm permanently,

50:03

or at least for a long time, different in this

50:06

department because of that. To

50:09

do all three at once, that's a pretty big thing. If

50:11

you're going to choose to do one, what would you do? I

50:17

don't know. Honestly, all three of them just flashed in

50:19

my head, and then they all seemed like for a second they

50:21

might be the answer. I don't know. All these would be beneficial.

50:23

I could use all that, which is why

50:25

this is appealing. I

50:28

think for me it would be some sort of diet because

50:31

I'm going to keep working out anyway. Yeah.

50:35

Or actually, it would be taking the picture. That

50:41

is mentioned all the time. So somehow that must

50:43

be important. And maybe that is a big motivating

50:45

thing for you. I don't know. But

50:47

each of the posts that I'm seeing about it acts like

50:49

that actually is an important thing, and I think it's every

50:51

day. Let's

50:54

see. Some comments here. Because

50:58

science says, what are you supposed to photograph? I

51:01

think yourself, your body transformation. Gruda.

51:05

No alcohol. I'll pass. I did

51:07

not pin Gruda as a big drinker. I

51:10

think Gruda does drink. I remember once he came on the

51:12

Friday show and said, I'm drunk. What's going

51:14

on? It's 1 o'clock on Friday. Why are you guys

51:16

on or something like that? I

51:21

like this comment from Britters. I'll do a no

51:24

peanut butter filled pretzel diet. That

51:26

was a hard one. I'm not going

51:28

to lie. She also says David

51:30

Goggins vibes. And that's kind of a turn off to me. I

51:32

read that David Goggins book, and you're supposed to, I think, be

51:34

inspired by that. And I was for a little bit, but I

51:36

got to the point where I just eventually felt bad for the

51:38

guy. I was like, why does he put himself through this? And

51:42

it does kind of feel like that. You

51:44

read his book? Yeah. I

51:47

read, what's it called? Can't

51:49

Hurt Me? Is that what it is? I read it a long

51:51

time ago. And it

51:53

never didn't change anything. I was just

51:55

interested. Like

51:58

I said, you just feel like what is wrong? that

52:00

he has to do this many pull-ups all the time. I'm

52:03

so unattracted by that whole mind-treat.

52:06

I mean, again, I get it that it helps certain people, and

52:08

I'm not trying to knock it if that's your thing. Right.

52:12

Because I know that it does, but that's just

52:14

not my style. Not a motivating thing to me

52:16

at all. Yeah, let me see. Poppycat

52:18

says, I thought there was a cold shower or ice plunge.

52:20

I'm sure there are variants where people add that stuff in,

52:23

because that is all the rage recently, or at least in

52:25

the past five years, it's been all the rage. Helen

52:28

says, I don't think I can find 75 consecutive days

52:30

to do any of these challenges where I'm not traveling

52:32

or running a race. And that's a good

52:34

point. You're going to put

52:36

aside a quarter of your year and say, I'm basically

52:39

not doing a bunch of things that

52:41

would preclude me from doing this. So

52:45

yeah. And

52:48

British says, but who's going to carry the boat, Matt? What does that mean?

52:51

Is that a joke that I don't get that? Carry

52:53

the boat? Isn't that a David Goggins thing? Oh,

52:56

is it? OK. Is it maybe I remember

52:58

whatever, Marine? Mine is like, you got to

53:00

carry your own boat. I

53:03

don't know, something about carrying a boat. Some

53:06

sort of army thing, I'm sure. All

53:09

right, there we go. So we don't need to get to the

53:11

other article, which was comparing 30 minutes of running versus 10,000 steps.

53:15

Same sort of inconclusive thing as usual with that

53:17

stuff, where you don't really know which one's better.

53:21

We'll skip that. I thought it'd be good if we were

53:23

talking about this topic of working out. Maybe I was going

53:25

to do a walk, do a small run, whatever. But

53:29

I don't know. I'm

53:31

curious. I will say, during these

53:33

vacation weeks of mine, and

53:36

then some non-vacation where I'm still traveling, with

53:38

holding for soccer, I'm really thinking about this.

53:40

And as each drink I take, alcohol or

53:42

bad meal I take, I'm going to be thinking,

53:45

the time is limited for

53:47

these things. So I'm OK doing this now. So

53:49

this would be my sort of rationalization in my head, is I might

53:51

do a 75 hard after this, so I can kind of do whatever

53:53

I want now. So that's what's

53:55

happening. We have to have a start date. getting

56:00

some good sleep it wouldn't have felt like that yeah

56:04

probably all right

56:07

which reminds me of the swimming to have his little

56:09

swimming anecdote to tell you about but I'll say that

56:11

for an episode maybe that'd be

56:13

one of my workouts is that is

56:15

swimming yeah all right

56:20

sounds good that's all we'll

56:22

be back on Wednesday no show tomorrow don't forget

56:24

that no show we'll be back

56:26

on Wednesday with Robert and it'll be fun and

56:28

then Thursday as usual before week off

56:31

around 4th of July Twitter

56:33

says Western States weekend by the way is Gaggin's

56:35

in that one I don't

56:37

think so no see hung

56:40

it up no but

56:42

uh yeah Western States big weekend is

56:46

it though does anyone actually like people follow

56:48

that I guess they do yeah of course they do

56:53

yeah I guess I it's like I forget people

56:55

do that like track those races as they're happening

57:00

but okay all right have a

57:02

good rest

57:05

of your Monday everyone we will talk to you

57:07

on Wednesday all right