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YouTube and tick-tock Be

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still be joining. Okay, Brianna Stewart of

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the New York Liberty now Obviously I

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was not familiar with her game before

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I saw her take on the Indiana

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fever in Caitlin Clark's home debut here

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at the Field of pain bridge field

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house here in Indiana and I'll tell

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you what there was one person that

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was running around that court That was

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certainly impressive and it was that one

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four-time national champion in college Two-time

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champion and a lady who just dominates everything

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and she has announced that she's a part

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of the ownership group of a new women's

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3-on-3 league called unrivaled that

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will be averaging about $240,000

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a year salary the average W

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MBA salary $120,000

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so be still not only a goat on the court,

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but definitely in the business World

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and in the hey, let's build the game

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world. Yeah, shout out can't wait to talk

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to her We'll also be talking to Sean

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Shroney who broke the news about that in

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a matter of moments Last night the NHL

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had quite a buzzer.

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Well, yeah, the Dallas star

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Going to Edmonton, Canada. Now, I

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didn't know where the hell Edmonton was just about a week or two

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ago. But then I found it on a

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map, it's way upper. Oh yeah, it's far upper. I don't know how

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long the flight would be from here, but it looked like a distance

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that I'm not willing to travel in the middle of a weekday. Right.

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Okay, that's what it felt like. But it looks like an electrifying

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time. The Edmonton Oilers throughout this

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entire series have been dominant in the first

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period and then they kind of fall off.

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The Texas hockey squad. The team that hasn't

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won since 1999 is

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the second and third period dominant team. Well,

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last night, flip the script on its head.

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Dallas Stars go into Edmonton, into the rowdy

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crowd and they go up to zip. So

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much so that Connor and I are actually

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watching along. We're going, oh, look at this.

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How about it? Look at this. Go,

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go. The Dallas Stars are dominating

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early. Myself, Connor, in the entire

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world goes, congrats to the Dallas Stars flipping

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the script on its head, starting out hot

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when normally they've been called as shit. Edmonton

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Ice. Ah, there it is. But

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boy, as soon as this tweet was sent by

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me and then matter of moments after the tweet

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was sent by Connor, the Edmonton Oilers will go

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on and score five, they

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end up dominating the Dallas Stars who

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crumble into Edmonton and you would think

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that maybe the home ice advantage is

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why the team crumbled. That is certainly

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a potential outcome. But also, McDavid had

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a couple assists, including one where he

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banked it off Otter's

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path, on purpose. That move right

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there, if you're new to hockey, right here, off

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the path, that's on purpose. Because he has to do that. If

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he doesn't do it, it's a goal. So

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it's either a goal or it's going to

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be a bank pass. Perfectly, the teammate is

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going to score a goal. Absolutely filthy. And

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now we have a 2-2 series in the

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West. Okay. And a 2-2

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series in the East. Four

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teams left. They all have an equal opportunity

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to make it to the Stanley Cup Finals

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in hockey and

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that is buzzing. Congrats to the NHL. Let's

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go. And congrats to Edmonton. Trying to answer

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in a problem that they have had throughout the beginning

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of this series. which is not being able to

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finish games. They certainly finished and buried the Dallas

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Stars last night. One half

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of the hammer. Done! Child boys. Bubblegum

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Pino, obviously a massive Dallas Stars fan.

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I know he was certainly bopping his

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meat early. Oh, yeah. You

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know, because what the Dallas Stars do. How do

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we recover from this? Is this just a standard

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playoff game in Edmonton? Things like this going to

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happen? Or are you a little bit worried about

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the boys? Maybe not being able to buzz for

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three periods anymore. I think we will bounce back,

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but we need Tana. Tana went down hurt, did

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not return. We got him at the trade

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deadline. He kind of changed everything for us.

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He is massive. We need him to win

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this series and the Stanley Cup, if possible.

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How do you feel about McDavid saying, hey,

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Otter, you're going to help me out

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here? How do you feel about that entire series of

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events right there? Didn't love it. The first goal was

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Otter would usually just catch that. It was a bad rebound. And

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we had the chance to go up 3-0. Skinner

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made a big save there as well. I

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loved watching Otter. Loved watching Otter just

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use his stick. That was cool. He said. Love

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the way I do it. Do it with no hands. Put that

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thing down behind him. Made a big time save here on McJesus,

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McDavid. Sorry. He was going to bank that in off the post

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and set his stick with no hands on it. He says, you

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know what? I got you, Otter. You've done enough for me. You

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got me to the big dance. Let me go ahead and help

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you out. Utilizing physics and geometry to go

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ahead and keep that thing out. That's a

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smart play. Saw King Henry in the intermission.

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Goldtender, formerly for New York. And do you play

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anywhere else? I think just the ring. Yeah, pretty

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sure. At the end of his career with Washington,

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but had issues with his heart, had the surgery.

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Incredibly hands. Legendary

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goalie, obviously. He said that

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in his hockey camps, he does teach goals. Like, hey, if

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you're going to lose your stick, have it at an angle

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and maybe save his smart and everybody then said, shut up.

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What? Well, in Otter, obviously, once

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at a King Henry camp. And hockey is buzzing. We're

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excited about it. We got a game tonight. We got

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some basketball tonight. We got good things to chit chat

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about. The toxic table is here at Boston Connor and

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at Ty Schmidt. Comment. Sweet hat. Thank you very much.

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I got it at the Bruins game when I was

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home in Massachusetts. Did they win? No, they didn't. And

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that's why I haven't worn it. And that's why when

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I was watching the game. You were there. They lost.

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I was there they lost just like D butch,

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but I was you know looking at the hat

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last night before going to bed after watching that

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Incredible game when I said damn. I miss hockey

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so much. I figured you know what even though

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they lost I'm still proud to be a Bruins

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fan. I can still wear the hat even though

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you know currently they are Losers technically

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in the grand scheme of things and the man on

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the moon is over we got going on here Yeah,

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I don't know like I said I've just been kind

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of reaching in grabbing something off a hanger and this

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was the one that I grabbed last night And I

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said you know it kind of makes sense with the

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Bruins hack cuz they are sleeping there They aren't

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playing hockey right now. There aren't pucks on

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ice in in Boston land, but it's in

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the crib On

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your shirt looks like a man is Looks

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good dude. Thank you. Thank you. It looks

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like an October shirt. No really okay So

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I have a purple one with wolves that

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I kind of have slated as my standard

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October shirt I love that one half of

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the hammer down Cowboys 10 digs is here

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looking sweet obviously Infatuated by the

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shirt as well looks like you got a bit of a

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trance if you look at the odds right now For

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the NHL Stanley Cup Dallas losers last night still

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have pretty good odds the winnest tires thing are

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you betting on this? Are you sprinkling a little

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bit? How do you feel about yeah Panthers and

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stars still favorites? I'm

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not I

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Have developed a fandom for one team This

7:20

this postseason. I just love the way that they

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play and that's the Florida Panthers That's

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where my money lies and that's where my heart lies

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and they're the odds on favorites So I ain't pretty

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you pick for they are the odds on favorite at

7:31

that certain book Some books have the Panthers and stars

7:33

with the exact same odds So

7:36

and that's the final that I want to see because I

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love the way the Dallas stars play to you know A

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lot of both those teams have a lot of sandpaper grit

7:42

and jump and that's how I like my hockey to be

7:44

played And the toilets New York Rangers. That's

7:46

all flash. Okay, that's at the flash in the pan if

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you're gonna ask me So the

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team's at the top right there. That's who I'd like to

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see in the finals Especially for my good friend bubble gum

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peanut bubble gum peanut over there. Yeah, but you

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before I guess I'm hard No

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Not not not to his face

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not publicly. Yes Yes,

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because in your pocket because yeah, he

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actually cares And when you when

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I'm rooting for sports and someone around me actually

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cares I don't like to do that to them

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because if they did that to me, I'd be pissed Well, do you

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but actually cares though, too? That's a

8:17

dummy cares come I think D but it

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does actually care but a company cares a

8:21

little bit more Yeah, well, it sounds like

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maybe there's something else to that in a

8:26

Nice NHL

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tonight digs his Panthers

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Against the Rangers that will

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be at 8 o'clock on ESPN and then the NBA tonight

8:39

830 Mavericks at timber wolves obviously that

8:41

series is at three to one Everybody's waiting

8:43

for the Dallas Mavericks put that away, but

8:45

his Ant-Man and cat gonna just go down quietly

8:48

I don't think they I don't think they're going to

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we shall see obviously Luca and Kyrie on the left

8:52

side of the screen is Supposed

8:55

to be the duo that is going to be

8:57

taking on the right side of screen Which is

8:59

Ant-Man and Carl Anthony towns this place right side

9:01

there that that is a duo on this attack

9:03

team match Oh, it is big that is what

9:05

it is Rudy Gabbard is obviously in there and

9:07

there's other stars playing for the Mavs But we

9:09

got a duo vs duo battle who's gonna show

9:12

up Luca and Tyree has seemingly shown up every

9:14

single game Ant-Man and cat showed up in one

9:16

game getting four together And it's like will that

9:18

continue to be the case for this roll on

9:20

or do we have forever to wait until the

9:22

NBA final? Start because of TV scheduling yeah, which

9:24

is not till June 6th a week from today

9:27

Okay, so we got boy for

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we we need this one to carry

9:32

on Yeah Maybe get some legs and

9:34

go here and carry on and carry

9:36

on joining us right now as a

9:38

man who knows more about Basketball than

9:40

we do senior NBA insider at the

9:42

stadium the athletic but Fandel TV and

9:45

also on his Burner

9:48

NBA Central, that's right. Sean, Shania

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I Saw

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this this this song that you guys dropped

9:58

was that tie in BC Are

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they dropping bangers like not like us? What's

10:03

going on? I don't know. Which one we sang two

10:05

songs to start the show already You know a little

10:07

bit sing along season here in the offseason things get

10:09

a little bit loose Shams if

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you want to get uh on a track, we

10:13

would love it. You you start singing. We'll just

10:15

kind of We'll get with now the floor. I

10:17

can sing. I'm sure I'm

10:20

not gonna sing right now, but we can you know,

10:22

we we got a whole hold off on that We

10:24

have to sell it the right way. Uh, but i'm

10:26

gonna hype myself. I think I can sing so we got we Hell

10:29

don't worry about the selling. Whoa. Whoa. We'll chop

10:31

through this thing like with dj screwed down here

10:33

We will make this thing, you know go, you

10:35

know, we we will certainly we'll put a mixtape

10:37

about me remixes We'll send it out to some

10:40

dj. We'll sell the hell this. All you gotta

10:42

do is you're seeing right now Now's the time

10:44

we'll tell it shams worldwide leader. Yeah. Yeah Every

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airport every restaurant just a little bit.

10:50

Oh, I heard Yeah,

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I got a little falsetto now pat i'm holding out

10:56

on you guys but I got a little false More

11:01

of a bait yeah a little bit down there,

11:04

you know like uh, like a

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nice bluesy You know like smoke

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a thousand sigs, right hit a microphone. Yeah, like

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that's right. That's what we think whenever we look

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at you shams No,

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no, no i've got a falsetto. I'm more on the soft

11:16

side, you know, we're romantic something this side pat I see

11:19

I see how you are. I see you out with the

11:21

kiddo with the wifey I'm trying to i'm trying to follow

11:23

your path now. Uh, we see you caking on tv all

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the time On the internet actually

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we see you caking literally every single day. We

11:29

see your likes too shams. They're what they're pretty

11:32

they're pretty testy My brother. Whoa, you know I'm

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just screwing with shawn. Okay, shawn. Saranja. Oh,

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let's talk shawn. Saranja Okay So you made

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the announcement this morning? Obviously a big one

11:42

and we all heard of ice cube and

11:44

the big three making an offer for katelyn clark That

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was supposed to be multiple millions and it was however

11:49

many x whatever her rookie salary was going to be

11:51

for the wmba So people like us were like she

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has to consider it She has to consider it

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with the amount of money that's available for how short

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her potential career can be in the grand scheme

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of her entire life. And maybe this will

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open more avenues for more money for women's

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basketball. And then everybody that basically knew Caitlin

12:06

Clark and knew women's basketball came back and

12:08

like, she wants to grow the league. It's

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a much bigger mission than just herself. And I

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think she's learned that from the OGs around the

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WNBA. And one of them is goat who'll be

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joining a show, Beastoo, she was a part of

12:20

the announcement. They're creating their own big three and

12:23

ownership from the players. And when

12:25

is this gonna happen? It's gonna happen in

12:27

football season. How far along are

12:29

we here? And this is brilliant genius.

12:31

And I love everything about it, especially

12:33

with what was being reported at the

12:35

average salary and what that was gonna

12:37

be. How does this work? What is

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the expectation? How long has this been

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in the works? Sean, the floor is

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yours. Don't have to sing it either.

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This has been in the works for a while.

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And the one difference between this and the big

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three and really other league opportunities that are out

12:52

there is that this is an American league in

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the United States. It'll be played in Miami. They already have a

12:57

facility of 1,000 fans, LED system. It's

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gonna be a pretty big time

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facility arena that they already have

13:04

for this unrivaled league. And the

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part is they can play in the States,

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they can play in Miami, and it's gonna

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happen not during the summertime. We know in

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the summers, the WNBA season, which is gonna

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start pretty soon here in the calendar. This

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will be played into wintertime. It'll start, the

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first season will start January 2025. And

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like you said right there, Beastoo,

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Brianna Stewart, her and Nafisa Collier

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who plays the Minnesota Lynx, they're

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both co-founders of this league. The

13:31

two WNBA stars, all-star

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Calvin players, best in the WNBA.

13:35

And two moms as well, two

13:38

women that understand kind of what women

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have to deal with, having to go

13:42

play abroad to make more

13:44

money additionally to support their families and

13:46

their livelihood. Along with that WNBA

13:49

salary, the average WNBA salary pad is $120,000. I'm

13:52

told this salary is gonna be

13:54

significantly higher, double the average

13:57

salary in this league. And you think about

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the Super Bowl, max contract that we see in

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the WNBA right now. It's about $241,000. I'm told the

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top players

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in this Unrivaled League will be

14:10

significantly more, could be

14:12

double that amount. This

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league has a big

14:17

array of Rolodex of investors

14:19

that are involved now. Carmelo

14:23

Anthony to name one, Steve Nash, Alex

14:26

Morgan, soccer star, just off

14:28

the top of my head here. But I

14:30

think the fact that this runs opposite of

14:33

the WNBA season is another option for these

14:35

women to play in come wintertime.

14:37

And so you have your WNBA salaries for

14:39

some of these players along with this significantly

14:42

elevated number that they're giving these players.

14:44

This sets a record, the highest average

14:46

salary in women's professional sports history. And

14:49

that is a key mark. And I

14:51

am curious, how does this affect the

14:53

WNBA salaries moving forward? How does this

14:55

affect other leagues that are trying to

14:57

replicate something like this? We still don't

14:59

know who the players will be. There's

15:02

going to be at least the first

15:04

30 signings of this league. I'm told

15:06

there's already a few WNBA

15:08

All-Stars finalizing deals with the league. We'll

15:10

get some of those names soon. And

15:13

those salaries will be significant when you think about

15:15

what the WNBA is

15:17

paying right now to these players. But when you

15:19

get all of these players together, the first 30

15:22

also get equity in the league. So depending on

15:24

how big the league goes, I'm not sure if,

15:26

let's say, player 32, 33, let's

15:28

say there's a superstar player that joins the mix

15:30

at 40. Do they still get equity?

15:33

I'm not quite sure yet, but definitely at least the

15:35

first 30 will. And it's a three-on-three league. They're going

15:37

to play full court. It's a shortened

15:39

court, a kind of more widespread, allows a lot

15:41

more of a potentially fun game. And this is

15:44

going to be All-Stars filling this league. It's not

15:46

going to be any end of bench, I think,

15:49

players. This is going to be the best of

15:51

the best that this league is trying to put

15:53

forward. Okay, so I love everything about it. Congratulations

15:55

to the league creating the

15:57

records and the money being broken. and

16:00

there's obviously a lot of follow-up. So

16:02

with that much money being paid,

16:04

you would obviously assume how many weekends would

16:06

it be? How many games would it be?

16:08

And are we certainly gonna come to a

16:10

point where people are gonna play six, seven

16:13

years in WNBA, maybe get their legacy established

16:15

in WNBA, and then wait, I only have

16:17

to work in the winter, and

16:20

I'm getting paid three X, what? The

16:23

W's pay, I think there's a chance that the W,

16:26

is the W a part of this or not at all? As

16:30

of right now, the W is not a part

16:32

of this. It's gonna be looking at least a

16:34

couple games a week for

16:36

this league, starts in January, and

16:38

they're still trying to figure out exactly who's

16:41

gonna be able to stream this game, where will

16:43

it air, how will it stream, all those details

16:45

still that they're trying to figure out. Of

16:47

course, January, still a little bit of time away. Now

16:49

it's about signing the right players, getting the right players

16:51

in the mix. So in a way, the WNBA is

16:53

involved, right? Like the best of the best players in

16:56

this league, and the players

16:58

that founded this league, Brown and Stewart,

17:00

Nafiza Collier, they are WNBA all-stars. They

17:02

are big parts of the WNBA, and

17:04

so this entire league will be spearheaded

17:06

by WNBA players that are trying to

17:09

forge their own path, trying to find

17:11

their own path, in terms

17:13

of having another pathway of

17:16

getting salary, getting money, and in a

17:18

way where you're not being forced to

17:20

go abroad to earn your living

17:23

and earn an additional living along with the WNBA

17:25

salaries. I love the ownership. Is there gonna be

17:27

four-point shot and everything like that, because

17:30

that's only half-court, obviously, they're doing full court. Will

17:33

they all be played? You said in Miami, they'll

17:35

all play there. That is where it'll just be

17:37

hubbed, pretty much. So living in Miami during the

17:39

winter, getting paid three X, what

17:42

they're getting paid. I didn't even think about it. I

17:44

didn't even think about it like that. Yeah, living in

17:46

Miami in January for some of these, actually for a

17:48

lot of people in the world, in the United States

17:50

of America, especially, I'm in Chicago, you guys are an

17:53

enemy. You guys know how it gets in here. Yeah,

17:55

bingo, that's what, I'm just thinking about, let's think about

17:57

B. Stu. So she has ownership in the leech. She's

18:00

living in Miami potentially for two months,

18:02

whatever it is, and she's getting

18:05

paid significantly more than another league. The W is gonna

18:07

have to figure out a way to be a part

18:09

of that. They're gonna, or there's a chance, you know,

18:11

like it's just natural. And the reason why I think

18:13

about that is, I think I'm coming from an athlete's

18:16

perspective. I'm not saying I'm an athlete, but I got a chance to know

18:18

a lot of guys that are professional

18:20

athletes. And it's like, where's the money? Where's

18:22

the money? And then also

18:25

happiness and gig and free time and

18:27

what the W is. Significantly

18:30

smaller workload. The work, yeah, the workload. But they don't

18:33

have to choose, right? They could do both. Certainly, but

18:35

I'm just saying what's gonna happen is. Like you said,

18:37

people like Beastu, like Herb Legacy and the W is

18:39

already established. So why would you not be like, all

18:41

right, I'm gonna play two more seasons and then I'm

18:43

just gonna do the Miami. I'm gonna do the Miami.

18:45

For the next 10 years. Yeah, exactly, that's what I'm

18:48

saying. It's almost like

18:50

it becomes a desirable alternative to

18:52

the WNBA, you know, and that

18:54

is. Definitely desirable.

18:57

Definitely desirable. So the WNBA, it's

18:59

a platform, right? And we're starting

19:01

to see changes, chartered flights. We're

19:04

seeing a lot of changes. I think the WNBA

19:06

is gonna continue to make changes. I think it's

19:08

only gonna elevate itself. And we see

19:10

players like Caitlin Clark, they're invested in the WNBA

19:13

future. They want the WNBA to succeed. And overall,

19:15

this is a league that's what we're 25 years

19:19

into this league and overall. Think

19:22

of Sean, you're talking about, imagine

19:25

if somebody in there, he's just like

19:27

a revolutionary spirit. Okay,

19:30

just to have that. They have a revolutionary spirit. They

19:33

go, hey, if we only play and we're

19:35

all the best players in this

19:37

particular league. This is the league. And

19:39

what? Yeah, well. That's

19:41

what I'm saying. That's not inevitable. I guess

19:43

I should not do things like that. I

19:46

mean, you're right, but I do think these players are

19:48

invested in the WNBA. I think they have a level

19:51

of equity that they built in

19:53

the league. I mean, this is all subject

19:55

to for now, right? If this league

19:57

takes off and it gets the life of its own and it's

19:59

looked at. is a much better alternative, paying a lot

20:01

more money. For sure,

20:03

I mean, maybe one day, I'd never say never.

20:05

I just know that these players, you mean by

20:07

Caitlin Clark, the amount of deals

20:10

that she has off the court, kudos to

20:12

her, everyone around her camp. Everyone

20:14

talks about the WNBA salaries, but it is a

20:16

platform that she's on. And also, the ability to

20:18

earn significantly more money. It is more money that

20:20

she would have been able to earn. In

20:23

NIL money, there was this talk, what if she

20:25

just stays another year at Iowa? You're

20:27

making significantly more money being able to

20:29

sign actual deals, not NIL deals,

20:32

signing actual Nike deal that she's going

20:34

to be on. That's a deal that's

20:37

worth well over $20 million over

20:39

multiple years. And so that's

20:42

not the only deal she has. I believe

20:44

Wilson just came out with something with her.

20:46

So she's got a ton of deals. And

20:48

a lot of these players are finding these

20:50

additional brands and these additional outlets to

20:52

make money. And a lot of it is based on the platform they

20:54

built for themselves. We're

20:57

going to talk to Bistu, Minnesota, but my head is

20:59

just rolling about, yeah, we got all those endorsements. We

21:02

got the best league. She's the one

21:04

to ask if she's starting to take over

21:06

the WNBA, she would know. Yeah, and also,

21:08

like if I assume Caitlin's going to be one

21:10

of the first 30, it's going to get ownership in there. Now

21:13

she should be able to negotiate. Hopefully her

21:15

people, great business people. I

21:18

hope they do it right. They seemingly are. Seemingly

21:21

are doing everything. Friend of the program. She's

21:23

been on one time. Yeah, she was great. She

21:26

offered, I think she's going to want to come back up. We'll

21:28

see if we can get to her. Yeah, we

21:30

will see if that is possible in this entire thing.

21:32

All good, she's got to figure it out right now

21:34

at the fever. She's certainly doing that. About that 40

21:36

probably in the next week and a half. We had

21:38

to guess. But if she gets in there, she thinks

21:40

it's her own deal. And then like Angel Rees gets

21:42

in there. Yeah. Right, and then

21:44

next stars that come in. Page buckets. And

21:47

they're like, you know? And

21:49

then Bistu. Yeah, are all these teams

21:52

owned already? Oh, you're paying me 10X what they're paying me

21:54

in the W. Dude, and I

21:56

live in Miami. We'll do the Olympics too, because there's no.

21:59

It's a mince of me. You guys are

22:01

kind of convincing me. Yes, definitely. I'm

22:04

just thinking like naturally and I assume like

22:07

you guys are convincing me. But you

22:09

know, this is an alternative, but what

22:11

if the WNBA also increases their pay and

22:14

they get to this level? Yes, certainly. And

22:16

then you're looking at these players that have

22:18

two major streams of income. Which we're having.

22:20

And then they're making a million, two million

22:23

potentially like down the line if all these

22:25

numbers continue to inflate. So I

22:27

think I see the bigger picture. I don't know if it's

22:29

taking over everything. I do think it's creating

22:31

change, creating a difference and making whether it's

22:33

the WNBA or other leagues think twice as

22:36

far as hey, if there's this league unrivaled

22:38

that's paying double what we're paying,

22:40

that's paying triple, four times, five times how

22:42

much we're playing. Even our top players, maybe

22:45

we have to reevaluate. Well, in the first sellout

22:47

for that Connecticut Sun team in 20 years at

22:49

home. 2003, yeah. So

22:52

it's not like they've

22:55

had a long time to build up that brand. Have

22:57

they sold it out since that first game either? They

22:59

should because they got some players on that. Good squad.

23:01

Good ball team. Good squad. They

23:03

should certainly do that. It's like business wise, how

23:06

far ahead is the W versus this league that

23:08

hasn't even started yet? It's going to have to

23:10

be a good content. It's going to have to

23:12

get good numbers. Somebody's going to pay

23:14

an enormous amount of money because live sports are certainly

23:16

in right now, especially with the backing of the people

23:19

that you mentioned. Is there any? I

23:21

don't even want to get into it. Any VCs behind it? Any,

23:24

do you know that information or anything like that? Because

23:27

they have direct ties to most networks. And then if

23:29

it gets like good numbers, then their platform is just

23:31

as big as the WNBA platform is. And

23:33

all of a sudden now you're talking. All right, we're pulling water. We

23:35

love it. That's why we love it.

23:38

That's why we love it. That's why we love

23:40

them. We had a lot of John Skippers involved.

23:42

There's a couple of people here with TV ties

23:44

with different entities. Obviously, their

23:46

goal is to be getting this on air. That

23:48

guy. He is, he is a,

23:50

oh yeah, he is a Wheeler and a

23:53

dealer. I assume he will. Well, I assume

23:55

he will get it all figured out

23:58

onto every platform. Maybe even if they don't play. Yep,

24:00

that'll be something that'll be really impressive. All

24:02

right, let's move to some NBA chatter chatter

24:04

We appreciate you for joining us. Shams the

24:07

toxic tables bonnet Boston Connor has a question

24:09

Yeah, shams, obviously ty loo got a deal

24:11

done with the Clippers even though there was

24:13

some talk about him. Maybe going elsewhere How

24:15

did that happen? Were there any thoughts or

24:17

deals or offers from other teams? I'll a

24:20

the Lakers possibly for ty loo to reunite

24:22

with LeBron and also now that ty lose

24:24

there Does that mean Paul George all those

24:26

guys are gonna end up staying and all

24:28

the talk about Paul George being traded to the

24:30

Lakers? Or something that's all gonna you know kind of fall

24:33

to the wayside So Tyler

24:35

was in the last year of his contract and if

24:37

he was ever to get available Yes, the Lakers they

24:39

he was he would have been at the top of

24:41

their list They would have went at him hard, but

24:43

but this was the big thing for the Clippers

24:45

is bringing back ty loo That was important. They

24:47

already have Kawhi Leonard in a full three years

24:50

a hundred fifty million dollars He signed that extension

24:52

before the end of the regular season. So now

24:54

it's about we gotta keep ty loo We have

24:56

to keep pause where we have to keep James

24:58

Harden And they're going into a new

25:00

arena in the Intuit Dome in LA that Steve Balmer's

25:02

baby He's put a lot into it a lot of

25:04

money a lot of sweat equity Fascist

25:06

thing and he moved his Englewood. That's

25:08

the new arena that they're gonna play

25:11

in They're separating themselves from crypto.com/Stateful Center

25:14

And so for the for for the Clippers

25:16

it was about bringing ty loo back and

25:18

it was paying him Among the top three

25:20

to five coaches in the NBA So five

25:22

years almost 70 million dollars in an extension

25:24

for him that'll keep him on the contract

25:26

through 2029 2030 and

25:28

he's now among the top five paid

25:30

coaches you think my great pop mix Steve

25:33

Kerr Eric Spulster Bonnie

25:35

Williams, he's right there in

25:37

that mix as far as around 14 million

25:39

dollars a year Now their goal is to

25:41

bring back Paul George and James Harden, but

25:43

Paul George, you know This is

25:45

someone that obviously as of right now It seems he's

25:48

going to test free agency and

25:50

and whether it's a maximum contract or

25:52

just shy of a maximum contract That's

25:55

really what he's looking at and

25:57

and right now the Clippers they

25:59

gave They've Kawhi Leonard about $9

26:01

million less than his max contract

26:04

and they had no intention of

26:07

going above that for Paul George during

26:10

the regular season. We'll see if that changes. This

26:13

is all a game of leverage. Free

26:15

agents can start talking to teams starting

26:17

June 30th and Paul George's

26:20

extension eligible now. So

26:22

his camp, the Clippers, I'm sure have continued to go back and

26:24

forth and trying to figure out a deal. James

26:26

Harden, who was arguing with the Clippers

26:28

best player in the playoffs, he's

26:31

something that they want to keep as well. And he's

26:33

going to have to wait probably and see what happens

26:35

with Paul George's future. But Ty Lue getting done, that

26:38

was a big domino in all this. And now that

26:40

he's in the mix, they're not trying to go into

26:42

that new arena with just Ty Lue and

26:45

Kawhi Leonard, who we've seen. He's

26:47

missed a significant time over the last three postseasons.

26:49

He's unfortunate. He's one of the best players when

26:52

he's healthy. But 2021, he has

26:54

a torn ACL. 2022, he doesn't

26:56

play. In 2023, he has a meniscus tear. And

26:59

this year, he had inflammation in his

27:01

knee, which has been twice surgically repaired.

27:03

And so this is obviously a concern

27:05

for the Clippers, for Kawhi Leonard. And

27:08

now they have to see if they can keep Paul George and James Harden.

27:10

Got to get a drain like Ed Monix. You

27:14

talk about the Clippers new arena. You're going

27:16

to want to fill that place up, obviously.

27:18

The amount of money he spent on piping.

27:20

Wow. The amount

27:22

of toilets that are in that place. The

27:25

amount of piping in LA, I couldn't even

27:28

imagine. And that was whole teams, potentially. You don't have a lot

27:30

of use water in LA. What's that? No,

27:32

Fiji water, you're not allowed. No.

27:34

But I was chugging to Fiji water this morning, Shams.

27:38

And as that happened, I read a tweet that

27:41

said, oh, you're drinking something that's going to attack

27:43

your brain. What? They've been recalled.

27:45

Fiji water has been recalled. Do you know that? I

27:48

had no idea. There's a lot I don't know

27:50

about that. I'm in my little bubble over here,

27:52

just knocking out NBA stuff that

27:55

I did not know that. What are they being recalled

27:57

for? How do you recall water? This is from yesterday.

27:59

This is my bottle. Yesterday November

28:01

and on yeah, make sure that thing doesn't

28:03

say November. Yeah, here it is Oh 1.9

28:06

million bottles of Fiji water record

28:08

after testing finds high levels of

28:11

Manganese which can cause brain damage great. I

28:14

already do enough. You know what I mean?

28:16

I don't need water Oh my god, I

28:18

get you water every summer at the airport

28:20

every time Am

28:22

I dealing with brain damage right now? He's a lot

28:24

of people don't know about that. What manganese.

28:27

Yeah, I heard that. I heard that video I

28:29

got a bottle. We're good. Our bottles are good.

28:31

There's not for everyone that's ever had Fiji

28:33

water in their life before and when you

28:35

drink it you think yourself damn I won't

28:38

go feeds It actually sounds sweet. This is

28:40

this shit that they got in bottles. I

28:42

couldn't even imagine what the entire And

28:45

now manganese It's

28:48

post November is the Four

28:51

or five dates in November in 2023 if they're

28:53

bottled if it's bottled on November Just don't drink

28:55

and it was just from the 24 pack

28:57

500 milliliter bottles 500 milliliter.

29:00

What's that? That's the ones we're drinking Yeah,

29:02

yeah, I'm not gonna do this sunny or

29:04

a Kirkland. No, what about other water? Do

29:07

not decide me Don't

29:10

mind the sunny aquafina. I don't like

29:14

People love aquafina. There's people that enjoy all

29:16

those people stink, you know the About spreads

29:18

your rated filtered water rate. I have no

29:20

random. Yes. Love them. Love it. Who has

29:22

the time though? I mean I need to

29:24

buy Who

29:27

has the time our water for water? I

29:29

drink my water with a form. That's what

29:31

I do I have my water for them.

29:33

They put it in the in the cups

29:35

tonight That's how I drink that takes eight

29:38

hours. Sean's I just learned what virgins do

29:40

with water. That's awesome. Yeah, I

29:42

am so happy I'm

29:44

so happy to hear that Sean's I love you, dude.

29:46

I do this water's not bad here That's

29:48

the this life. What we are. We

29:51

are saying I'm over. Yeah, I've

29:53

water is legit the essential water That's

29:56

a water is real deal as well. My high pH.

29:58

What was that one that had the Voss

30:00

oh my god. I used to be able

30:02

to do Voss bottle tricks. I was the

30:05

cock They had those glass bottles. Yeah, that's legit

30:07

And then you could get if you had the

30:09

right touch oh, yeah Literally just flip that thing

30:11

up in it with cock sideways. Yeah, you just

30:13

take off and then putting it back on yep

30:15

Same thing what you look so cool. You do

30:17

a little bottle flip like you're in cocktail Back

30:20

pocket boom we're out of there. You're the

30:23

man Voss water won me like four to

30:25

five moments in Situation around people

30:27

I didn't know let me go and crack this

30:29

on bitch. Okay How

30:34

the gaffia Yeah,

30:41

I felt so sweet anyway didn't you have to

30:43

pay for it I was after I pay

30:45

for it I'm not gonna sit on What

30:48

are you doing? I'm going on to come

30:51

on kleptomania I got his pockets that was

30:53

Sean surrounding. I think not shams tie has

30:55

a question for you. We'll stay in LA

30:57

Yeah, shams. When is the JJ Rettick decision

31:00

gonna be finalized? It seems like I know

31:02

hey He's still calling games and the Lakers

31:04

are flying people in for interviews and stuff

31:07

like that and LeBron's not involved in the

31:09

decision whatsoever But I feel like this is

31:11

definitely a part of him staying like has

31:13

he been updated on this situation? Are they

31:15

letting him know? Hey This is probably when

31:18

we're gonna make a decision because it seems

31:20

like right now Like JJ

31:22

Rettick is going to be Lakers next head coach

31:24

and they're kind of just playing musical chairs until

31:27

they can actually make An announcement when the finals

31:29

are over Yeah,

31:31

you know the Lakers search has been going

31:33

on for almost a month now next week

31:35

will mark four weeks And

31:38

they've had multiple interviews with candidates

31:40

James Varega was in Los Angeles this

31:42

week He met with the Lakers met

31:44

with the ownership yesterday from what I'm

31:46

told And and they

31:49

could potentially you know,

31:51

keep this going and interview other candidates over

31:53

the next couple weeks Ironically

31:56

coincidentally that timing would match up

31:58

potentially to the end of the NBA

32:01

finals. And so, you know, when

32:03

I talk to people around the league, there's obviously you

32:05

looked at it, you try to connect some of

32:07

these dots. And the fact

32:09

that the Lakers coaching, sir, just so

32:12

happened to potentially go all

32:14

the way through the NBA finals, it's obviously

32:16

something that a lot of people are

32:19

skeptical of and are keeping an

32:21

eye on and are wondering, does

32:23

this mean that JJ Rettick is the Lakers

32:25

head coach just in terms of connecting

32:28

dots? I mean, if

32:30

you're trying to prolong an interview process

32:32

or prolong a higher, this would obviously

32:34

be one way to do it is

32:37

bring in a bunch of candidates prolong

32:39

your interview process. But listen, the

32:41

Lakers say that they're going through

32:43

their coaching search process, they're

32:46

multiple candidates. I think I think at the end

32:48

of the day, if there are any finalists, it's

32:50

likely going to be JJ Rettick and

32:52

James Borrego. James Borrego is someone Anthony Davis

32:54

is fond of. And James Brago is someone

32:56

that understands that the Lakers have to continue

32:58

to win with Anthony Davis at the house.

33:00

He's 31 years old, he's in the prime

33:02

of his career, he's going to be a

33:04

Laker, as long as all

33:06

the all the stars lie, he's gonna be a

33:09

Laker longer than LeBron James is gonna be a

33:11

Laker, LeBron got one, two more years at the

33:13

most left in his career. Anthony Davis has a

33:15

longer runway. So building an offense around AD, having

33:17

a team of player development, those are all things

33:20

that for my own, so James Brago has stress

33:22

to the Lakers. But I said it on

33:24

the show last week, I reported

33:26

on it as well. The Lakers, they

33:28

have an infatuation level with JJ Rettick as

33:30

a head coach, they view

33:33

him as someone that for

33:35

right now, for this team,

33:37

and potentially long term for four

33:39

or five, six years down the

33:42

line, that JJ Rettick could be

33:44

the exact type of guy, character,

33:46

coach, suave, how he moved his

33:48

demeanor, he could be the guy

33:51

for the next five to six years. That is

33:53

their opinion. That is the way that they're operating

33:55

on. And could James Brago

33:57

go in there and interview and turn

34:00

this dial the other way? Probably not.

34:02

Nothing's ever off the board. But

34:05

it is, I mean, Pat. Okay, so let's do

34:07

the other leg. If

34:10

they haven't hired a coach in

34:13

the NBA Finals and they're

34:15

waiting for the finals to end, how would

34:17

you handle a coaching search? I

34:20

would just act like I'm interviewing everybody, but

34:22

really I'm interviewing nobody. Is that

34:24

what you're saying? Well, they're interviewing, they're going through

34:26

interviews. Like Rob Polinka. Yeah, we're waiting on time.

34:28

Yeah, I understand. The first

34:30

day of this interview process was

34:32

Rob Polinka having sit downs with

34:34

candidates for multiple hours and

34:38

really trying to know the candidates, interview them

34:40

and get a sense of how they are

34:42

as people. And then the

34:44

next stage being more basketball-centric conversations. And

34:46

we're at that stage. James Bregos, the

34:48

only one so far that has gone

34:50

in, met with ownership. You would assume

34:52

JJ Rettick also goes in and

34:54

meets with ownership. But yeah, I think.

34:56

How much money did he coach? I know Ty Lue just got a

34:58

$70 million thing. How much

35:00

money would JJ make if he was coaching the Lakers? Average.

35:04

Well, JJ Rettick, I'm sure,

35:06

is making considerable, is on a

35:08

considerable salary right now. So if

35:10

you're making a jump to a

35:13

job like the Lakers, I mean,

35:16

it's going to be more than $5 million a year. Yeah,

35:19

and then you got Calvin Ham's contract was around

35:21

$5 million. You

35:23

think about coaches and the salaries right now, the

35:25

way that they're rising around the league, really

35:28

any type of coach in the

35:30

top 10, in the top 15 range,

35:32

I mean, you're looking at anywhere from $9 million

35:35

and on. And so if you add the

35:37

tax on being the Lakers

35:39

coach, living in LA, also giving

35:42

up a pretty financially stable media

35:44

job, I mean, you're looking

35:46

at north of $5 million, not where that

35:48

lands. It's too early to say

35:50

that yet. I don't have an idea. You just

35:53

said top 15 coaches are making $9 million plus.

35:55

I would assume that's where JJ is starting to

35:57

sit down. Yeah, yeah, I would assume just. That's

36:00

where the market is headed. That's where the market

36:02

is headed. There's still coaches right now that are

36:04

still, you know, if you are like 12, top 13

36:06

coach, you

36:08

still might not be knocking

36:10

at the doorstep of making 10

36:12

million. But you know, you think about some

36:14

of these coaches, you think about a Mike Crown is entering

36:17

the last year of his deal. He's certainly

36:19

someone that wants to approach that eight

36:21

figure range. And that king theme was

36:23

in the playing tournament. You think about Tom Thibodeau, he

36:26

just led his team to the second round of the

36:28

playoffs. He was at $7 million this year.

36:30

He's entering the last year of his deal next

36:32

year. Most people on the league expect Tom Thibodeau

36:34

to be in line for an extension that's going

36:37

to be in the eight figure range. Because anytime

36:39

you're a coach that can get to the second

36:41

round, like an out of success that New York's

36:43

had, that's the category for yourself. Okay, so JJ

36:45

Rettick is going to get paid about $9 million

36:47

a year to be the Los Angeles Lakers new

36:49

head coach. That's basically it's still a search. Pat,

36:51

the search is still on. Yeah,

36:54

we are searching for why sometimes we

36:56

cast that wide net you don't catch

36:58

shit. And that's because you don't want

37:00

to either in a little empty water. Then

37:02

you go to a stock Lake like the

37:05

rock has in Virginia. And he's real small

37:07

net out there. And who is it? Oh,

37:09

JJ Rettick, let's go ahead and bring his

37:11

ass in here for $9 million. Congrats to

37:13

him. Congrats

37:17

on in order, you know, Lakers still going

37:19

through their process. All

37:21

right. All right. We

37:24

appreciate the last question here about the

37:26

Lakers. And then we'll move to teams

37:28

that are still playing. Bronnie is

37:31

only working out for like two teams. I guess

37:33

he's been turning it down and there's real interest

37:35

is what you're reporting like Phoenix Suns, maybe the

37:37

22nd pick. Are they doing that? And I know

37:39

this has been disputed by both Bronnie and LeBron

37:41

and everybody. But you can't help but wonder if

37:43

the Phoenix Suns are potentially thinking, you know, we

37:45

don't have a lot of options. We have a

37:47

number one that we can certainly trade at 22

37:49

and everything like that. But the way the contracts

37:51

are set up and where we are, we're in

37:54

an interesting spot right now. If we draft Bronnie,

37:56

there's a chance we can lure LeBron at a

37:58

lower price or they have to pay. LeBron

38:00

at full price to potentially

38:02

come alongside, you know, you

38:05

said I think KD deal LeBron

38:08

Whoa, wait a damn book. Wait a look.

38:10

Wait. We have a team. What now now?

38:13

Ispia, you know mortgage man. Yeah, he's like I've spent

38:15

so much money They have find me so much finally

38:17

we got a team that could maybe go do is

38:20

that uh, is that why that conversation is taking place?

38:22

Is that why? Bronnie's turning down a lot of workouts

38:24

except for a few why do you think this is

38:26

all happening? And how does it end up working out?

38:29

Yeah, my sense is that the son's interest in

38:31

brawny games is more for him and him as a

38:33

player of course And they are they are considering him

38:35

at 22 I haven't

38:37

heard of any like we're gonna draft brawny

38:40

and then get lebron james because pat

38:42

just looking at it Uh,

38:44

lebron james will be offered any type of contract

38:47

that he wants one year's 50 million two years

38:49

105 ish million Three

38:52

years 164 million. Is he really

38:54

gonna let that contract? Go

38:56

to sign a one year three million dollar deal

38:58

with the phoenix sounds like does that sound logical

39:01

to a lot of people? Especially

39:03

business man lebron. He was allegedly incredible. He would

39:05

have to 10 baby

39:07

if you're so let's say lebron

39:09

james as i've reported as i've said that he expects

39:11

to play up to two more mbcs Let's say he

39:13

signed a two year 105 million dollar

39:15

deal. They'll return to the lakers You

39:17

have 200 two two years

39:19

105 million versus one year or

39:22

two years. So one year at three million

39:24

two years and six million Pat

39:26

which one would you do? Yeah, I I understand. Yeah,

39:28

it's all working out. Okay. I get so The

39:31

sun's interest in brawny james is more for brawny

39:33

james If you think about what the sun's need

39:35

if they I think the sun the sun's

39:37

are going to be active in the trade market They have

39:39

two first round things they can trade they can trade this

39:41

year's 22. They can trade the 2031 Uh

39:44

first round pick. I mean that you said that with a

39:46

straight face. You just said that with a straight face Don't

39:48

don't do that on the show How

39:51

how old how old is uh the 2031

39:53

first round pick right now? Yeah,

39:55

I think I think that's stone so

39:59

so for shoot So they have two percent

40:01

of teams they can trade. They

40:03

are gonna be active, but if they keep

40:05

their pick, Ronnie James, you think

40:07

about what the Suns need, they have star power,

40:09

they have Kevin Dred, they have Bradley Beale, they

40:12

have Devin Booker. They have probably a roster five,

40:14

six players deep. What they need, what we saw

40:16

the big need for the Suns this year was

40:18

at the point composition. Having guys that can defend,

40:20

that can ball handle, they can hit open shot.

40:22

T.J. McConnell. High IQ, please.

40:25

T.J. McConnell would be the perfect player. For the

40:27

Panthers, this is signed to a 10-year deal, Well,

40:31

the Pacers love him. Rick Carla loves him. I

40:33

would expect the Pacers to try to extend T.J.

40:35

McConnell, not do anything else with T.J. McConnell. I

40:37

think he's a folk hero in Indianapolis, but you

40:39

guys know him better than I do. McConnell

40:42

for KD, something

40:44

to think about. I think

40:46

the fans love T.J. McConnell. Am I wrong? Yes,

40:49

you're not wrong at all. T.J. McConnell would be

40:51

loved here. I think he'd be beloved literally anywhere

40:53

with what he just did in the playoffs, but

40:55

I do appreciate you saying, Bronny is like T.J.

40:57

McConnell. What? But if

40:59

you're, that's too often. Like if you

41:02

feel like Bronny James' upside could potentially

41:04

end up being T.J. McConnell, like you're

41:06

the son that's legitimately the perfect type

41:08

of player for your system. And I

41:10

think bringing Bronny James in to

41:13

Phoenix, getting a sense for him as a player

41:15

in a workout, getting a sense for him as

41:17

a person, and seeing what he's all about, which

41:19

people around the league believe he's about the right

41:21

thing. You've got a high basketball IQ. He's

41:24

mature. He's confident, and

41:26

he's not trying to beat someone

41:28

other than himself, right? Like you're

41:30

not seeing, like when he was

41:32

asked for comparisons to his game, I mean, he

41:34

mentioned clearly like Daveon Mitchell. Those

41:38

aren't star players that he's comparing himself to. I

41:40

think he knows what his role is at the

41:42

next level. And if you're the Phoenix son, you're

41:45

looking at him among five to six

41:47

other players and seeing what can he

41:49

do for you and your system and being a role

41:51

player and excelling at that role. Hell yeah, we appreciate

41:53

you, Sean, for bringing all the information. Keep killing it

41:55

over there. We can't wait to hear you sing. Oh,

41:58

yeah. That's Paul Seddon and Donnie. Here he comes. Soon

42:00

coming the Thunderdome Oh banger

42:02

soon come DJ college that an album

42:05

on the way for Yeah,

42:07

it's been soon coming a long time. It's a

42:09

good promo. Yeah another one ladies the gem of

42:11

Sean for anything I

42:15

do wonder what studio vibes are like for DJ Kelly

42:17

because all the people he works with are kind of

42:19

war Yeah, maybe that's why I was in waiting. That's

42:21

true Maybe they need to come to the

42:23

house in a Bahamas that he has with that pool

42:25

in that view Yeah, and golf with him. Mm-hmm. Well,

42:27

I don't know hole. Yeah, absolutely Bingo.

42:30

Yep. Yes. I go golf. He does

42:32

join us now. Ladies. The gentleman's man who has

42:34

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42:37

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42:39

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42:43

a sport that needed a new generation jet

42:46

pass How

42:49

you doing jet Great

42:51

fellas. How are you? So we had a good NBA

42:53

conversation a lot of brawn the brawn We look like

42:55

SportsCenter Instagram there for a little bit, but that is

42:57

the topic of convo with Sean Sharani What's

42:59

going on there, bro? I

43:01

was out of frame on my back in the middle now.

43:03

No, you were in a middle. You're perfect. Actually you Boom

43:06

nailed it. Yeah, I see. I thought you're trying to promote

43:08

maybe a new book. Is that a new book new books?

43:11

No, no new books back there That's

43:13

a whole different backdrop then the last time open

43:16

backdrop Now

43:19

you got bodice like that over your left shoulder Steve

43:21

Marucci gave you a baseball bat That's

43:24

a brand new baseball bat out there Yeah,

43:26

that is a whole different battery you got a whole different

43:28

backdrop Every

43:31

time I've been out of the last like six months

43:33

last six months you've never been on the show before

43:35

we don't have journalists on this show Anyways,

43:39

let's talk baseball shall we and once again?

43:42

It's not about the baseball on the

43:44

field although we'll dive into the best

43:46

pitcher in baseball Maybe in the

43:48

history of baseball in a matter of moments

43:50

with tone dig. It's about what's going on

43:52

around baseball For instance the New York Mets

43:55

yesterday had quite a situation Jorge Lopez pitcher

43:57

for the Mets had a situation where he

43:59

got thrown out by a third base umpire

44:01

for something he did after giving up a

44:03

bomb to show hey with Tony on his

44:05

way up he throws his gloves into the

44:07

crowd caught by New York Dancie fans. I

44:10

had a New York Mets game at Citi

44:12

Field obviously them being in such prominent seats

44:14

is obviously not great for business for the

44:16

Mets but then what he would go on

44:19

to say afterwards would obviously make every Mets

44:21

fan go wow we're the worst organization

44:23

in all of sports here's the interview that

44:25

obviously the world heard and took it away

44:27

from his boy things are

44:30

real bad at Mets. Carlos Mendoza said

44:32

that he understands the emotion but that

44:34

that particular action of throwing your glove

44:36

into the stands is unacceptable looking back

44:38

on it do you regret doing

44:40

that? No I

44:43

don't regret it I think I've

44:45

been looking the worst team in

44:47

probably in the whole MLB

44:50

so you know whatever

44:52

happened happened so whatever they want

44:55

to do I'll be tomorrow

44:57

here if they want me you know

44:59

whatever they want to do so I'm

45:01

gonna keep doing this thing

45:04

you know so I'm healthy

45:06

on whatever you know and

45:08

whatever to do you know I'm ready to

45:12

come back tomorrow if they want me to be

45:14

here so I'll be here. So English is a

45:16

second language so obviously not always gonna be easy

45:18

the Internet heard that he said that the Mets

45:20

are the worst organization in baseball some people heard

45:23

him saying he's the worst team man in all

45:25

of baseball which is like team mate. Team mate

45:27

yeah. Yeah team mate team man what's going on

45:29

with this situation are the Mets a dumpster fire

45:31

and are they the biggest dumpster fire in all

45:34

of sports? Oh

45:36

all of sports like that's a

45:39

that's a pretty low bar I

45:41

don't know they might be. Yes

45:43

Michael Cole love it baby

45:45

the Mets are a dumpster fire team saying and

45:47

I think there's even a clarification by Jorge Lopez

45:50

that said like I meant I'm the worst teammate

45:52

on the worst team. Yes yeah in the entire

45:54

thing. Yeah hold on I'm sorry

45:57

I'm looking at my phone right now I'm just

45:59

pulling. yesterday at 744 p.m.

46:01

a text from Michael Cole,

46:03

this team is a mess.

46:05

I hate this team. He

46:08

told me he hates baseball actually. He obviously loves

46:10

baseball. What is wrong with the Mets? They're spending

46:12

all this money. Why are they continuing to suck

46:14

and how does this get handled? Yeah,

46:16

I mean this is still a team path that has like

46:19

a $300 billion payroll. It's absurd

46:21

how mediocre they are but I think

46:23

we also knew that they were going

46:25

to be pretty bad. Like let's remember

46:27

what they did at the last trade

46:29

deadline. They got rid of Justin Verlander.

46:31

They got rid of Max Scherzer. Like

46:34

they, those guys who they were anticipating

46:36

were going to be a big part

46:38

of their team in 2024 and

46:40

they really didn't add a whole lot this

46:42

offseason. So 2024 was supposed to be transition

46:46

year for the Mets but when you're

46:48

in New York and you have a

46:50

payroll to the level that they do,

46:52

there's really no such thing as transition

46:54

seasons and what they've transitioned is

46:57

from bad to sucking

46:59

even worse. That's where

47:01

they are right now. This is a

47:03

team that does not have a good

47:05

direction presently. A team whose young players

47:08

that they were relying on really aren't

47:10

necessarily as good as they hoped they

47:12

were going to be and the frustration's

47:14

boiling over. Edwin Diaz, the closer who

47:16

they signed for a hundred two and

47:18

a half million dollars a couple years

47:20

ago, went on the injured list with

47:22

a shoulder impingement and has been terrible.

47:24

Pilonzo, best power hitter, got hit by

47:26

a pitch yesterday on the ham. X

47:29

raised negative. Yeah. Yeah. Polar Bear

47:32

got hurt. CT scan was

47:34

clear. So it looks like it's

47:37

just a bruised ham for now

47:39

but the Jorge Lopez situation was

47:41

honestly kind of hilarious. Getting thrown

47:43

From a game by the third base

47:46

umpire, it's really hard to do. Like

47:48

You have to be a real dick

47:50

in order for that to happen. And

47:53

that yik just throws it right

47:55

into the stands. And yeah, the Mets

47:57

are going to be designating Jorge

47:59

Lopez. Or as I meant it

48:01

with essentially means they're cutting him and

48:03

ah yeah it turns out know are

48:05

they do not want him to show

48:07

off tomorrow. That's one

48:09

story. No reason why I've really follow the

48:12

team as closely as a house is because

48:14

I'm Michael Cole. He's like he was, is

48:16

t like this is his team, that he's

48:18

obviously been trying to get us into baseball

48:21

for like six seven years on our program

48:23

or whatever and now he's Mets are the

48:25

worst laughingstock obviously with most of my stance

48:27

in the team, That. Cause

48:30

my home town home. Is

48:32

the cause of the was not a

48:34

loser? Joss Gibson best version of why

48:37

are statistically of all time for the

48:39

Homestead Rise but also we got a

48:41

couple days or mind and or maybe

48:44

the most explosive do well in all

48:46

the baseball guide, the Ib talk while

48:48

the organization Sugar Gibson really storage or

48:51

Roberto Clemente, Barry Barnes and now the

48:53

hundred voice Paul Skis and Jerry Jones

48:55

who both when yesterday. Both.

48:58

Agree me on the programs morrow on being

49:00

pulled big I see I know why more

49:02

of the oh baby ears are not on

49:04

our roster bolivia say but that was the

49:07

first time the series of incredible rookie ah

49:09

if so to him another also got roughed

49:11

up yesterday which leads me into my question

49:13

pulse He did not get roughed up your

49:15

say okay he's been absolutely unbelievable He is

49:17

plus five hundred to win rookie of the

49:20

year when et al rookie the you're right

49:22

now behind him a Naga ah I'm as

49:24

or other of you vote for this or

49:26

not Jet but saw that a good betty.

49:28

Things are: Paul Schemes: National League Rookie

49:30

of the Year if it monogamous, I'm

49:32

does you know, maybe fall off a

49:34

little bit. Him. In

49:37

his had a really good starts

49:39

at this point, but they're still

49:41

twenty plus starts left in the

49:43

season right? So far seems has

49:45

plenty of time to make that

49:47

up, and for five hundred the

49:49

ways throwing seems quite quite favorable

49:52

at this point. Diseases uses so

49:54

good man. Like. That that's

49:56

the beauty to me of an

49:58

athlete comes in. with a lot

50:00

of hype and then either

50:02

matches or exceeds it, you know

50:05

how difficult it is to

50:07

get out there when everybody's eyes are on

50:09

you and to go out and not

50:12

just do what they were expecting or hoping but

50:14

to do even better. In the 30 to 5

50:17

strikeouts walk ratio, the fact

50:19

that he's throwing his spelinker

50:21

with just impunity, like it's

50:23

a disgusting pitch and guys really are

50:25

not squaring it up and a lot

50:27

of the strikeouts, nine of them yesterday

50:29

are coming off of that pitch. He's

50:32

the goods man and listen, I've

50:34

been having this conversation lately. If

50:37

you could have anyone to throw

50:40

game seven of the World Series right

50:42

now, who would it be? And

50:45

you can make an argument for

50:48

that. Q country roads, that is.

50:50

I mean he's, oh yeah,

50:52

he's in the conversation for sure and I

50:54

think he's already one of the best pitchers

50:56

in Major League Baseball. It's

50:59

the stuff, yes, but the

51:02

attitude he has out there on the

51:04

mound, I mean he looks like a

51:06

dude who's been doing this for five

51:08

years, calm, collected and look at

51:10

him, just look at the strut after the straight,

51:13

oh, little karate kick there, like he

51:15

does not look like a guy who's four games into

51:17

his big league career by any means. Was he a

51:19

guy, now he said he's only been throwing a hundo

51:21

for like the last three or four years, he was

51:23

a catcher beforehand and obviously at the Air Force and

51:26

then he ends up at LSU and he goes on

51:28

the national championship run. He's

51:30

kind of new to being known as like

51:32

the guy that's going to take over a

51:34

game, right? So like his maturity, he's seemingly

51:36

handling all this, is wildly fascinating and I

51:39

don't think he even cares, first of all,

51:41

at all or knows about the buzz around

51:43

him. He said all he does is nap,

51:45

all he does is nap and throw baseball. That's great.

51:48

It's like the perf, he does. He's like, man

51:50

to be young to get in and he's got no

51:52

responsibility, he needs to throw baseball really good and he

51:54

needs to nap so he can heal up and throw

51:56

baseball really good again. But it's like he seems to

51:58

be made up of all the right. stuff. His

52:00

arm seemingly young too, like not only he's

52:02

young, but his arm is young, because you

52:04

have to worry about that immediately. It seems

52:07

this is a guy. So he's gonna be a pirate for

52:09

10 years? That's gonna happen? 15 years?

52:12

I hope so. I would love to

52:14

see that. I live any time that somebody stays

52:18

with a small market team for

52:20

the entirety of his career, like good by

52:23

me. Not just good by me because I'm

52:25

someone who grew up in Cleveland and lives

52:27

in Kansas City now, but I understand the

52:29

disparity in sports between the

52:31

large market and small market teams.

52:34

And the fans in smaller markets

52:36

sometimes feel like the big business

52:38

of sports is conspiring against them.

52:40

So when Bobby Witt Jr. went out

52:42

and signed a 12 year

52:45

almost $300 million contract to remain

52:47

with the Kansas City Royals this offseason,

52:49

it's like, hey, by the way, these

52:52

small market teams can pay

52:54

guys if they don't. It's

52:57

just because they chose not to.

52:59

The Pirates can afford to keep

53:01

Paul Skeens around. The

53:04

question is, the question is,

53:06

after you have sold the

53:09

best ski resort in West Virginia, are

53:11

you going to Pennsylvania? Western Pennsylvania, seventh

53:13

grade. Western Pennsylvania, sorry. My policy. Best

53:15

Cuban hill in the... Yeah, it was

53:17

voted best ski resort in the Mid-Atlantic.

53:20

Yeah, in the Northeast. The tubing hill. The

53:22

tubing hill. The tubing hill is the best.

53:24

You've never been to Nashville, brother. What's up?

53:26

Vermont's no distinct. No, it doesn't. Well, that's

53:29

an argument to be made. I'm talking about

53:31

living for your diet in Nashville. They got

53:33

some tubes that fly. They don't have a

53:35

tubing hill in New Hampshire that can hang.

53:37

Yes, they do. With seven springs. Yes, they

53:39

do. They got the things that you strap on your tube

53:41

and drag you up the hill? Oh yeah, drag you

53:43

up the whole entire way. And it's not a hill, it's

53:46

a mountain. Well, yeah. Okay, that's what I'm talking about. That's

53:48

the difference right there. So we're from Pittsburgh, though, so

53:50

it's a little bit different. I don't know what you think

53:52

our hill is in mountains. Exactly, exactly. Yeah, they're much bigger.

53:54

Your quads couldn't handle one walk in Pittsburgh, pal. You've never

53:56

been to Centipede, my brother. You couldn't walk up that hill.

53:59

You couldn't walk the shoes. Well, I go backwards up

54:01

there. I used to run. Yeah, right. He'll stop

54:03

killing. No way Doing

54:05

right now actually, okay. That's why he's getting so

54:07

much better. That's why he's gonna be there forever anyway

54:09

So he doesn't have in Springs tubing He'll is no

54:11

longer gonna be a money maker for nodding but

54:13

the fact that he sold it I assume he's

54:15

got deep pockets now We need to keep the hundo

54:18

boys in Pittsburgh so we can have a hope

54:20

and a dream and fill up that park not just

54:22

for Zambele fireworks, but for the next generation maybe baseball

54:24

fans. Yeah, exactly in Pittsburgh Vail

54:26

resorts bought seven Springs. So and I'm sure

54:28

they are, you know top of the line.

54:30

I assume they paid pretty bad I couldn't

54:33

imagine what they did it actually was pretty

54:35

smart by nothing because it doesn't snow anymore

54:37

in in Western, PA Yeah, Bales fleeting. Yeah.

54:39

Yeah fails buying all the mountains. I

54:41

do believe two of the mountains I listed where it

54:43

was also bought by Vail Monopoly

54:48

it sounds like smart I

54:56

don't know We're

54:58

not getting into that obviously this is a

55:00

journalistic show but somebody needs to figure that

55:02

one out building silos I mean, whoa. Hey,

55:04

hey, hey, oh, oh, well, I watch that

55:06

top gun a new one Oh, yeah, pretty

55:08

big part of the entire story is mountain.

55:11

Yeah, and what's inside? You're

55:13

the journalist. Yes is on you get into it.

55:15

You brought up seven Yeah, at this point in

55:18

the season Do

55:24

you think teams already know if they're gonna be buyers

55:26

or sellers at the deadline like the Mets a lot

55:28

of people talking about Pete Alonzo and some of those

55:30

other guys and then For

55:32

the Yankees because of the Juan Soto situation

55:35

and how well they've started this year being

55:37

arguably one of the best Two teams in

55:39

baseball. Do you think they will be very

55:41

aggressive at the deadline? I e maybe

55:44

going out and getting a guy like Mason Miller

55:47

Or something along those lines, but do teams know

55:49

this early if they're gonna be buyers or sellers

55:51

at the deadline Great

55:54

question. I'm working on a story right now.

55:56

That's a preview of the trade deadline. Hell

55:58

yeah, it's two months away And

56:00

yeah, there are some teams that understand

56:02

what they're going to be. The Mets

56:04

are going to be selling. It's pretty

56:06

obvious at this point. The trajectory of

56:08

this team is not good, but a

56:11

team like Toronto is super interesting to

56:13

me because the Blue Jays have had

56:15

high expectations. They had this core with

56:17

Vladimir Guerrero Jr. and Beau Bachete that

56:19

they thought were going to be capable

56:21

of taking them to the World Series

56:23

and they have been a disappointing team

56:25

all season long. Now, there's enough talent

56:27

there and enough time left to turn

56:29

things around, but, you know, the

56:32

Blue Jays are still under 500 in a

56:34

division like the American League East and the

56:36

trade deadline comes along and you look at

56:38

the state of their farm system, it's not

56:40

really good right now. It would

56:43

seem to make sense for them to

56:45

at least entertain and consider trade. The

56:47

Yankees, on the other hand, their

56:49

upgrades, I think, are going to be

56:51

more incremental than going and getting

56:53

like some big bopper out there.

56:55

Their offense has been awesome. They

56:57

have been fantastic starting pitching wise

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are happening in a big way and we

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have a big journalism day because we have

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a bunch of journalists joining our show in

58:21

a matter of moments with Mike Greenberg joining

58:24

us to chitchat about life as a New

58:26

York Jets fan and a sports media genius.

58:29

You know I had no idea we're gonna be

58:31

on ESPN 2 today, could be on ESPN 1

58:33

I guess because his rain delay didn't put us

58:35

on there but this is our biggest journalism day

58:37

which is a real shame. We're having a bunch

58:39

of journalists on there never on our program we've

58:41

never had journalists on we tried to today and

58:43

now it's on ESPN 2 so all the puppets

58:45

with pens won't even see it. The table's here

58:47

at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt that's a

58:49

bomb, bombed out about that. I was just, you

58:51

stole words out of my mouth, I'm bombed out.

58:53

I had no idea did we know I don't

58:55

think I knew that softballs happening to all 30

58:57

as a rain delay taking place. Women's softball

59:00

especially the World Series is electrifying, got nothing

59:02

but respect for that. One half of the

59:04

hammer, cowboys, tongue digs here, we should

59:06

know that was happening. Yeah I

59:08

mean I guess we should have and I guess

59:11

today is journalism Wednesday

59:13

but Thursday. Monday

59:15

we're off. I thought D-Butts would be here

59:17

today. I came in this morning and you

59:20

know I was just like I was about to text

59:22

D-Butt a question I'm like well it's

59:24

Thursday. We did not know it was Thursday

59:26

to be honest with you but it's been journalism

59:28

Thursday. But when we talk about it, me

59:31

in my mind every day is journalism day for us

59:33

on this program. It's just, how about us just making

59:35

an opening mockery of that? I do appreciate it. Well

59:37

I mean. Because journalists are the best. You know they

59:40

go to a school that tells them exactly how to

59:42

think. Mm-hmm. You know and they go on and do

59:44

that and all of a sudden they're saving the world. Yeah.

59:47

We're thankful for that. Don't change it up either. No way. With

59:50

the softball, however, some journalism

59:52

there is some controversy because

59:54

Oklahoma and UCLA, similar to

59:56

LSU And Iowa, same side

59:58

of the bracket. What people are not

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saw the highlights last night. he ally

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yellow rubber on that derringer Jessamyn soon

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as you know was on a dare

1:01:06

you to load journalism you send us

1:01:08

eclipse that you found on acts. there's

1:01:10

a fire totes that is now consultants

1:01:12

adviser maybe just a taxi partner the

1:01:14

Cleveland Browns off my. Bible is on the

1:01:16

field it out sea Ice systems via John

1:01:18

Sable who works at Fox. A losing cleave

1:01:20

once and he actually says there there was

1:01:23

audio C some point soon as shit out

1:01:25

soon as you get it's could you imagine

1:01:27

every variable just hanging around. The teams won

1:01:29

a weapon for the glee rather seems genius

1:01:31

for the faint. That does I

1:01:33

wonder. I'm sure as the season goes to like

1:01:35

rebels role will work and change and he's gonna

1:01:37

like right now You see him run the cards

1:01:39

right scout team deep as trying to get the

1:01:41

offered. Imagine either one or would you say to

1:01:43

these do like how he's talking to them but

1:01:45

how is more dominator if he wanted to put

1:01:47

his home when I run right through much of

1:01:49

a brave good bring a lot of value to

1:01:51

the seen this you're filming. Only tell you what

1:01:53

he samaras you're ready and. Sacks.

1:01:55

saturday's race as well as i just screamed

1:01:57

rights to her in a bid on average

1:02:00

to the rep but I mean what a

1:02:02

weapon this guy's gonna be for the Cleveland

1:02:04

Browns. I would actually put this as something

1:02:06

that would height two to three I think

1:02:08

two more games winning games with Evan Frable

1:02:10

just hang around. He's got no real responsibility

1:02:13

other than make the team better right? Yeah.

1:02:16

That's what we assume with these roles. That's what it feels

1:02:18

like isn't it? I mean what is this what do

1:02:20

we know what his title might be? I don't

1:02:22

even know. Is it senior consultant? Yeah. Hey

1:02:25

we're not paying him shit the Tennessee Titans are but he's

1:02:27

gonna be hanging around that I think that's what he's called.

1:02:29

Can you have as many consultants as you want in the

1:02:31

NFL? I don't know I know in college there's all different

1:02:33

kinds of rules they have. Okay so I think I talked

1:02:35

to Shane Steichen

1:02:37

about this. I think there is a max

1:02:39

that you can have in the

1:02:41

entire thing. Now college there's different titles that are allowed

1:02:43

to be on the field not allowed to be on

1:02:45

the field who can they talk to how can they

1:02:47

talk to how many hours can they talk to any

1:02:49

NFL I think there is a max amount of coaches

1:02:51

you can have. I don't know about consultants or advisors.

1:02:53

Okay I was gonna say because would advisor fall under

1:02:56

consultant or are those two separate things because then he

1:02:58

can kind of double them up. Yeah because you can

1:03:00

have the assistant to the assistant. Bingo yeah. And that

1:03:02

can kind of slip in there. I assume there's this

1:03:04

has been handled though because teams have tried to do

1:03:06

this too much and some other billionaire got

1:03:08

pissed that his team wasn't doing it so they had to

1:03:10

make a rule but Vrabel seems like the perfect one especially

1:03:12

an Ohio guy going back to Cleveland good for them dude

1:03:14

good for the Bronx. Yeah he's not he grew up not

1:03:16

too far from there so yeah I mean I I can

1:03:19

imagine like Vrabel got a ton of cheers if he gets

1:03:21

to go on the field for games I hope he is

1:03:23

on the sideline. They better intro him.

1:03:25

Yeah they should. Last. Last.

1:03:28

Lead out maybe. Let him wear a high school uniform. His

1:03:30

boss Jesuit high school uniform. Let him wear that. And

1:03:33

then have him put those glasses on smash

1:03:35

that guitar like he's the miss you know

1:03:37

before those Cleveland Browns games and let all

1:03:39

of Ohio go crazy. We'd be crazy if

1:03:41

we didn't introduce the man that's waiting to

1:03:43

join us right now. He's in multiple hall

1:03:45

of fame's for broadcasting I believe that is

1:03:48

considered journalism not a hundred percent sure. Host

1:03:50

of get up ladies and gentlemen friend of the program

1:03:52

Mike Greenberg. Hey. How you doing

1:03:54

greedy? A couple of

1:03:57

things I'm learning as I'm sitting here

1:03:59

watching this. Now I am

1:04:01

extraordinarily hopeful that my New York Jets

1:04:03

are going to have a terrific season

1:04:05

and that your buddy Aaron Rodgers is

1:04:07

going to lead them deep into the

1:04:10

playoffs. However, if they do not and

1:04:12

everything falls apart, my first choice for

1:04:15

the Jets next coach would be Mike

1:04:17

Brabel. I still can't believe Tennessee fired

1:04:19

him. I am a huge Brabel fan

1:04:21

going back to when he did a

1:04:23

player's diary on Mike and Mike during

1:04:25

super week, whatever, one of those years

1:04:28

when he was on the Super Bowl

1:04:30

Patriot teams, that would be my first

1:04:32

choice of every person walking in the

1:04:34

face of planet Earth to be the

1:04:36

next coach of the Jets if everything goes sideways. And

1:04:39

how he was able to win with the Tennessee Titans over

1:04:41

the last couple of years. He had the most people in

1:04:43

the history of the NFL on IR and they ended up

1:04:45

being the number one seed in the AFC. The way they

1:04:47

had to rebuild that team and getting rid of his number

1:04:49

one wide receiver and then saying, hey, you still got to

1:04:52

go win. When he gets fired, we wonder if the Tennessee

1:04:54

Titans are trying to win. Then we meet Carthon's

1:04:56

got Callahan and all the moves they made. They want

1:04:58

to go a different direction. Brabel is

1:05:00

going to be a hot commodity after this year,

1:05:02

we will assume. Let's get to your New York

1:05:04

Jets now. I've got some breaking news from source.

1:05:06

Say is. Once again, this

1:05:08

is journalism. Yesterday, some videos hit the

1:05:11

internet of Aaron Rodgers taking off his

1:05:13

shoes and his socks. Oh no, is

1:05:15

the Achilles? Is there something

1:05:17

wrong with the Achilles? Okay. Then

1:05:19

there was some reps. Was he running at full

1:05:21

speed? Did he look like his

1:05:23

Achilles was hurting a little bit more

1:05:26

from the, from the source say

1:05:29

that I have a

1:05:31

blister prevention, potential lingering effects from

1:05:33

COVID toe. Oh no. Do

1:05:35

not know. Do not know if this is lingering

1:05:38

effects or that is from a

1:05:40

anonymous source. When

1:05:43

you see that video and when you see anything out

1:05:45

of the New York Jets, OTAs, what are your thoughts?

1:05:48

Back to the hype that we were last

1:05:50

year before four plays in it all ends.

1:05:52

Greening. Yes, we are right back

1:05:54

there. We are as hopeful as we have ever been

1:05:56

in a very, very

1:05:58

long time, not since. 1999

1:06:01

have I been as hopeful for what a

1:06:03

jet, except for last year, have I been

1:06:05

as hopeful for what a jet season could

1:06:07

be because this team frankly is better than

1:06:09

it was a year ago and we even

1:06:12

are built to survive a normal quarterback injury.

1:06:14

A COVID toe is one thing. Torn

1:06:17

Achilles is another thing entirely. A

1:06:19

more normal injury like a turned

1:06:21

ankle that costs us two or

1:06:23

three weeks, which most quarterbacks are

1:06:25

going to have, the jets actually

1:06:27

are prepared with a legitimate backup

1:06:29

quarterback this time in Tyrod Taylor.

1:06:31

So I am extraordinarily hopeful about

1:06:33

the jets. I had not seen that

1:06:35

video until your sources just shared it

1:06:37

with me now. And

1:06:40

it disturbed me greatly. We need Aaron

1:06:42

wrapped in bubble wrap. I need him.

1:06:45

I need him just kept like remember there was when

1:06:47

I was young, you guys are too young. There was

1:06:49

a movie called the boy in the plastic bubble starring

1:06:51

John Travolta, where like they literally didn't let him out.

1:06:53

He couldn't be he couldn't be in contact with people

1:06:56

for fear of germs. That's where

1:06:58

I want Rogers. From now until the

1:07:00

opener in San Francisco on Monday night.

1:07:02

See our generation at bubble boy. So

1:07:04

we always find felt same idea. Yeah,

1:07:06

no, the movie there was a whole

1:07:09

movie bubble boy. I do. Yeah,

1:07:11

Jake Gyllenhaal. Yeah, like obviously mom

1:07:13

a little bit. Yeah, a little bit

1:07:15

over. But we need to make

1:07:17

I guess it seems to be generational about time for

1:07:20

another one. We need

1:07:22

another bubble movie. Yeah, we need another bubble movie.

1:07:24

Maybe Aaron. Can I tell you something,

1:07:26

by the way? Can I just share something funny because

1:07:28

you distracted me from what was going to be my

1:07:30

hilarious intro? That's on me. With

1:07:32

this Rogers video. So the last

1:07:34

time I was on, you will recall you

1:07:37

welcome to me with a variety of gardening

1:07:39

equipment and other things, because the Pacers had

1:07:41

just knocked out the next. And

1:07:44

so it was my absolute intention.

1:07:47

When I was booked to come on the show today

1:07:49

to have a broom so that I

1:07:52

could. However,

1:07:54

you don't have one. You're probably

1:07:56

going to find this very on brand. I

1:07:58

don't know where we have one. I can't

1:08:01

if we have a broom like we must have one because

1:08:03

the house is very clean all the time But for the

1:08:05

life I don't know how it gets to be that way

1:08:08

So I wanted to have a

1:08:10

broom, but I couldn't find one I assume

1:08:12

that's pretty on brand, but I still think

1:08:14

it can okay. I understand we got some

1:08:16

good. I go I would've been funny Yeah,

1:08:18

we're having funny. I do. I do appreciate

1:08:20

you looking around very clean.

1:08:22

I mean yeah has to be Don't know

1:08:25

what happened Tell

1:08:27

me right now someone is sweeping around here, but

1:08:29

for the life of me. I have no idea

1:08:36

That's hilarious, and they said the Knicks would have got

1:08:38

swept somehow in three games for sure I'll take some set

1:08:40

of four so yeah You know there would have been

1:08:42

some sort of banter and On

1:08:44

brand with you not being able to find a broom

1:08:46

in your house at all I did see a lot

1:08:48

of people say that I'm probably the only human in

1:08:50

sports road alongside AJ and the boys that could start

1:08:52

A weed whacker you know Yeah, yeah,

1:08:54

yeah, yeah Where

1:08:57

they do that entire thing go ahead AJ Greeny

1:09:00

so I your your expectations this year compared

1:09:02

to last year I I hope you're actually

1:09:04

even more excited this year But I

1:09:06

guess what do you think of like what is the

1:09:08

success for the New York Jets? And what's your biggest

1:09:10

worry about this team right now heading into the season

1:09:12

I? Mean the

1:09:14

biggest worry. I think honestly is

1:09:17

the coaching The Jets

1:09:19

are better their roster is better than it

1:09:21

was a year ago Obviously

1:09:24

Rogers has to be healthy I mean the pieces

1:09:26

they've added You don't need me

1:09:28

to run over all of the offensive linemen that they

1:09:30

got and the one that they drafted and Mike Williams

1:09:32

Are they signed the defense should be? Absolutely

1:09:34

outstanding. I think they should be by

1:09:36

far the best defense that Aaron Rodgers

1:09:39

has ever played with so

1:09:41

a we need Rodgers to be Mostly

1:09:43

all the way back. I don't know what is

1:09:45

a reasonable Expectation for a

1:09:47

41 year old quarterback coming off of an Achilles

1:09:49

But I don't think he has to be peak

1:09:51

Aaron Rodgers. He's going to the second he walks

1:09:53

out on the field He's going to be the

1:09:56

best quarterback the Jets have had in a long

1:09:58

time and so long as he is standing up

1:10:00

upright, I'm pretty confident he'll be fine.

1:10:02

I do worry a little bit about the

1:10:04

coaching. I think the jury is very much

1:10:06

out on the head coach, on the offensive

1:10:08

coordinator, and on everybody else involved. And I

1:10:10

count on Rodgers to clean up a lot

1:10:13

of that. When he was asked, I

1:10:15

forgot what show, someone showed me a

1:10:17

clip. He was on our

1:10:19

show recently, and they asked him,

1:10:21

why should fans trust Nathaniel Hackett?

1:10:24

And Aaron's answer was, because I do, and you

1:10:26

should trust me. And that's a great answer. Everything

1:10:29

about the Jets beyond

1:10:32

the talent on the field has

1:10:34

to come together because Rodgers pulls it all together.

1:10:36

I still believe it all fell apart last year

1:10:38

because it was all built around him. He is

1:10:40

like the sun and everything else is orbiting around

1:10:43

him. The hemoglobin. That's exactly

1:10:45

the way it should be. That's the Jets

1:10:47

best chance. We've tried handing this franchise to

1:10:49

a lot of different people over the last

1:10:51

50 years. No one's been able

1:10:53

to do it. Let's give it to one of the

1:10:55

players who's actually proven he knows how to do it,

1:10:57

and let's follow him. So I'm 100% on board with

1:10:59

all of that, but

1:11:02

I think that would be, aside from the

1:11:04

obvious injury concerns, which every team has, the

1:11:06

Jets have some injury-prone players they brought in,

1:11:08

Tyrone Smith and Mike Williams and others. Every

1:11:11

team has those to some degree. But

1:11:14

if the start of

1:11:16

the schedule is tough, three games in 11 days, two

1:11:18

of them on the road to start the season, I

1:11:21

worry a little bit about it starting badly

1:11:23

and then some negative vibes creeping in, and

1:11:25

hopefully that not becoming a real issue. But

1:11:27

all things considered to answer the beginning of

1:11:29

your question, AJ, this is the

1:11:31

best team the Jets have had in 20 years, at

1:11:34

least. This is better than any of the teams

1:11:36

Herman Edwards put to the playoffs, or the one

1:11:38

that Eric Mangini did, or any of the teams

1:11:41

Rex Ryan took to the AFC Championship game. They're

1:11:43

just better players. That's not even

1:11:45

debatable. So the AFC is

1:11:47

loaded. A realistic or successful,

1:11:50

I think the Jets have to get to the playoffs and at least

1:11:52

win a game for it to be a

1:11:55

success. I think anything short of that would be a

1:11:57

failure. Very hard for me to sit here and say

1:11:59

if the. They win a playoff game and then they

1:12:01

lose a heartbreaker to Joe Burrow or Patrick Mahomes or

1:12:03

someone like that. That's

1:12:06

hard to – or Anthony Richardson in

1:12:09

Indianapolis or CJ Stroud in Houston or

1:12:12

the guy who's going to take over the league

1:12:14

at some point, which is Justin Herbert, I think

1:12:16

is the hardball in LA. Eventually,

1:12:19

I think he's going to be –

1:12:21

he's got the best coach now, so I have a

1:12:23

huge fear of him. So

1:12:25

I think anything short of that would be

1:12:28

a major disappointment. Let's go back to one

1:12:30

of the things you talked about with Aaron

1:12:32

saying, I trust Hackett, so you guys should

1:12:34

and obviously you haven't really had the opportunity

1:12:36

to watch an entire season of Aaron Rodgers

1:12:38

football and everything like that. He very much

1:12:40

views the West Coast offense as art and

1:12:42

a painter has to be a part of

1:12:45

it. He and Hackett have grown up in

1:12:47

that system together. He

1:12:49

even last year, whenever the offense

1:12:51

looked completely inept and everybody was like, what the hell

1:12:53

is Hackett? Does this guy even know

1:12:55

what football is after what happened in Denver and what was

1:12:58

happening last year? You talk to Aaron, I

1:13:00

think Aaron says you look at some of those plays, what

1:13:02

was supposed to happen would have worked in those. He's not

1:13:04

scared to check it down. He's not scared to check it

1:13:06

to a run. He's not looking to throw for 500

1:13:08

yards every single week. He is taking whatever the

1:13:11

best option is for that particular play that he

1:13:13

knows the offense of inside and out and so

1:13:15

does Hackett. So I think that's why he has

1:13:17

come out in such back in response for Hackett

1:13:19

because I don't know how many people know

1:13:22

the West Coast offense as well as

1:13:24

Aaron and Hackett do and asking Russell

1:13:26

Wilson to be able to do it

1:13:28

in one year, I think was tall

1:13:30

task and then Zach and everybody

1:13:32

else for the Jets. It's like tall task.

1:13:34

I think that's why Aaron's so confident because

1:13:36

he sees the plays differently than

1:13:38

how other people that don't understand what they're trying

1:13:40

to do in the potential offense that you're trying

1:13:42

to run. I think that is why he's like,

1:13:45

I trust them and I think it's gonna look

1:13:47

different. I do not that it's gonna look more

1:13:49

explosive, but like he's gonna make the right decision

1:13:51

for the play and I think that's a head

1:13:53

start over other teams just to begin with. So

1:13:55

I got a lot of faith even though he

1:13:58

is old as shit now. He's

1:14:00

the owner's giant. You know what I mean? But I think that

1:14:02

helps in this situation, Greeny. I

1:14:05

think everything you just said I agree

1:14:07

with completely. If you were to make a list

1:14:09

of the reasons the Jets offense was awful last

1:14:11

year, Nathaniel Hackett would barely even be on it.

1:14:14

You could have given Bill Walsh that

1:14:16

offensive line and that quarterback, and I

1:14:18

don't know how much better it all

1:14:21

would have looked. They have infinitely better

1:14:23

talent. They are infinitely deeper, and they

1:14:25

have Aaron Freakin' Rodgers now. So I'm

1:14:27

not at all worried about Nathaniel Hackett.

1:14:29

Honestly, I think if

1:14:32

the Jets remain mostly healthy,

1:14:34

then there is every reason to think that they are one of the

1:14:36

two or three best teams in the AFC. Right

1:14:39

there alongside anyone else who want to name Houston,

1:14:41

I think is very good. Obviously, I know you

1:14:43

love your Colts. The

1:14:45

Bengals, I think, will be really good again, and Kansas City

1:14:47

is always Kansas City. The Jets are right there with any

1:14:49

of them. Got a couple of

1:14:51

wide receiver things in Cincinnati to figure out, obviously

1:14:54

with Jamar and Teeth. Did you see the

1:14:56

emotional video? That was sweet. That was good,

1:14:58

good side. Great shot. Candid shot of him

1:15:00

in a car. 8K. With some music. Did

1:15:02

you hear this from T Higgins? Have you

1:15:05

seen this clip from T Higgins? I have not. No, what

1:15:07

is it? You know, T Higgins and

1:15:09

Jamar Chase, obviously both looking for contracts. T Higgins

1:15:11

has been fantastic. Jamar's allegedly going to get done.

1:15:13

Here is a clip from T Higgins talking about

1:15:15

his future from a documentary or a vlog I

1:15:17

assume he's creating. I am athlete pod. I am

1:15:20

athlete pod. Okay, perfect. Brandon Marshall's team. Obviously,

1:15:23

I don't know what the situation would be right

1:15:26

now, but it would

1:15:30

be bittersweet. As far

1:15:32

as me coming back, I would

1:15:34

love to come back. I

1:15:37

grew as a man in the past four years here.

1:15:40

Grew as a player. Got

1:15:44

good new friendships. Great

1:15:48

relationships with people not

1:15:51

in the facility, in the city of Cincinnati. The

1:15:54

fans are great. So

1:15:56

I would definitely love to be here. If

1:15:58

that's not the same. situation yeah

1:16:01

that's not the

1:16:03

situation you

1:16:07

know I'll listen quiet

1:16:10

oh shit green need you see that that's cinematography

1:16:12

bother it's pretty good it

1:16:14

cuts with a dog I like all of that stuff I

1:16:16

mean that that's really well directed look

1:16:18

T Higgins a great player I saw it the

1:16:20

jail and waddle get paid all the money in

1:16:22

the world plus $10 today they've

1:16:25

got so they're paying Tyreke ill and

1:16:27

jail and waddle it has wide receiver

1:16:29

become the second most valuable position on a

1:16:31

team now are we comfortable saying that and

1:16:33

wait till Justin Jefferson comes through his deal

1:16:36

done it's about to be even bigger and allegedly

1:16:39

if you listen to pro football talks Mike Florio

1:16:41

the announced deal that Tyree

1:16:43

kill signed is actually more than what it actually

1:16:45

is he's only making 25 mil as opposed to

1:16:47

near 30 million which is what everybody else is

1:16:50

seemingly getting paid right now so Tyree kills new

1:16:52

deal you assume would be big but they got

1:16:54

to pay two as well and then you get

1:16:56

in the full conversation if you pay a quarterback

1:16:58

how many other people can you pay especially the wide

1:17:00

receiver position the Bengals are gonna have to figure that

1:17:02

out you know a team that isn't what's that the

1:17:05

Indianapolis Colts weren't a good spot let's pivot away from

1:17:07

the NFL and I know you only have a couple

1:17:09

more moments and we appreciate you taking your time I

1:17:11

got as much time as you need don't worry you're

1:17:14

a good man good

1:17:19

say good say con man's got a

1:17:21

question for you about a little bit of

1:17:23

basketball yeah I got a bone to pick

1:17:25

with you Greenberg every time I see get

1:17:27

up there's some bottom line on there that

1:17:29

says something about how Jason Tatum better than

1:17:31

Jaylen Brown to the Celtics you know is

1:17:33

this a successful season if they don't want

1:17:35

a championship something along those lines and I'm

1:17:37

sure you haven't seen it but Leon Poe

1:17:39

the leader of Celtics nation is coming at

1:17:42

your guys throat because of the disrespect what's

1:17:44

the deal with that can't we just talk

1:17:46

about how dominant of a season it's been

1:17:48

or do we have to say come

1:17:50

on great hey Tatum or Brown or

1:17:52

is it Derek White what's the deal

1:17:54

brother well so the

1:17:56

Derek White thing I didn't start

1:17:58

I actually raised that from

1:18:00

the opposite standpoint. The Derek White

1:18:03

thing came because Josh Hart of

1:18:05

the Knicks was on RC's

1:18:08

podcast on the pivot. And

1:18:10

he said, you know, you could make an

1:18:12

argument, I forget exactly what words he used.

1:18:14

He said that Derek White is more was

1:18:16

the word he is not integral, not valuable.

1:18:19

He used a word, then

1:18:22

Jason Tatum, and I lost my mind

1:18:24

today. I think you and I are

1:18:26

on the same side. Planet Earth has

1:18:29

decided it hates Jason Tatum. I have

1:18:31

no idea why. Because Jason Tatum is

1:18:33

an unbelievably good player who deserves

1:18:36

to be considered

1:18:39

one of the something like seven or eight best

1:18:41

players in the NBA. If you want to make

1:18:43

an argument that he didn't belong first team all

1:18:45

NBA, which I did vote for him, first

1:18:47

team all NBA, by the way, but I would listen

1:18:50

to that argument. Thank you. But the idea that Derek

1:18:52

White, I mean, what

1:18:54

I don't like is that I've been wind up

1:18:56

in a position where I'm diminishing Derek White, who's

1:18:58

had an unbelievable season and has been terrific. But

1:19:00

it's not like I'm the only show who's having

1:19:03

these kind of you're leading away. Get

1:19:06

up. You're the one leading away. Greenie.

1:19:08

Everybody else is seeing a lower third.

1:19:10

They're like, well, we're gonna have to

1:19:12

say the exact wording on a lower

1:19:14

third on first take immediately after your

1:19:16

show. Yeah. Is that Hans fault? Yeah.

1:19:18

Alan. I can't hear that guy. Can't

1:19:20

listen. I

1:19:24

heard a clip. He said, you think greenies

1:19:26

a loser. You're not looking. Shut up on.

1:19:28

Shut up. Okay. I texted you about that

1:19:30

because it was very funny. But anyway, the

1:19:32

point of it is that the

1:19:35

point of it is this. I

1:19:37

have been setting the agenda for the sports

1:19:39

conversation in this country for 25 years. So

1:19:41

this is nothing new. Okay. I mean, if

1:19:43

we really want to be honest about it,

1:19:45

okay, do people just basically, I might as

1:19:48

well just say, Hey, everybody, here's your rundown

1:19:50

for the day. And then I just start

1:19:52

talking. So that's what winds up happening. Now,

1:19:54

as far as this, you know, it's your

1:19:56

fault. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think there's

1:19:59

any fault here. Here's what I

1:20:01

think the reality of it is, is

1:20:03

that first off, the

1:20:06

Celtics have been too good for too

1:20:08

long to have fallen short in the

1:20:10

way they have this number of times

1:20:12

without there being some questions. I

1:20:15

was there for all 14 of those playoff

1:20:17

games against Miami the last two years. They

1:20:19

should have won all 14 of them. I

1:20:22

was there for all six games in the

1:20:24

finals two years ago against Golden State. They were

1:20:26

the better team in all of those games.

1:20:29

That's 20 playoff games in which they were the

1:20:31

better team. I picked them to win every

1:20:33

single time. They continue not

1:20:35

to elevate beyond their

1:20:37

level of talent. They should win the championship

1:20:39

this year for sure. I don't think it

1:20:41

is an overstatement to say

1:20:44

if they don't win the title with the path

1:20:46

that they have had, it isn't their fault that

1:20:48

everybody in their way got hurt in the East

1:20:50

and they've done what you're supposed to do. They've

1:20:52

taken advantage of the opportunity that's been given to

1:20:55

them. But if they don't get there,

1:20:57

I don't think anyone could disagree

1:20:59

that it is a colossal disappointment considering how

1:21:01

good they've been and how talented they are.

1:21:04

You just asked me what would constitute a

1:21:06

successful season for the Jets, and I told

1:21:08

you. I can't imagine any fan of the

1:21:10

Celtics, no matter how mad they want to

1:21:13

be about anything that I or anyone else

1:21:15

are saying, would not agree that

1:21:17

it is a failure if this team doesn't win. Well,

1:21:20

thank you for setting the agenda for all

1:21:22

of sports talk for the last 20 years.

1:21:24

That's a factual statement. Well, now you're doing

1:21:26

it. That's your job now. I've

1:21:29

been around. Here's what happens. What is the

1:21:31

expression? You either die a hero or you

1:21:33

live long enough to become the villain. In

1:21:36

my case, when we

1:21:38

started, believe it or not, we were

1:21:40

the bad boys of sports conversation in

1:21:42

America. Mike and I, we

1:21:45

would talk about stuff. We would take calls. In

1:21:48

the national media, no one ever

1:21:50

did any of that stuff. We

1:21:52

would criticize people when generally

1:21:54

speaking that was only the providence of

1:21:56

local sports talk and stuff like that.

1:22:00

with the letters ESPN attached to the name would do

1:22:02

some of the stuff that we did. And

1:22:04

then all of a sudden I

1:22:06

have now lived long enough to

1:22:08

become the definition of the mainstream

1:22:10

sports media. If you look up

1:22:12

mainstream sports media right now, it's

1:22:14

a picture of me. I mean,

1:22:16

I came on your show in

1:22:18

Cursed and you said, Mr. Rogers,

1:22:20

just Cursed on television. So

1:22:23

I've lived long enough to become that guy.

1:22:25

Now it's your turn. There's a new generation

1:22:28

of young sports media out

1:22:30

there that are looking at people like you because

1:22:32

you're going to take it in whatever direction it's

1:22:34

going to go from here. I've taken it where

1:22:36

it is now. It's your job to pick it

1:22:38

up and run with it from here. Well, I

1:22:40

would not pick up the baton at this point

1:22:42

because I don't know how long we're going to

1:22:44

be in this world. You know, I don't know.

1:22:46

No, you're not going anywhere. I'm done. I'm

1:22:49

done with that conversation too, by the way. No

1:22:51

more of that. The point. You, you son of

1:22:53

a bitch. You understood that point. Right. I'm

1:22:56

not going on and I'm not listening. I'm not

1:22:59

reading one word. How long is Pat Matt Phoebe

1:23:01

going to be here? You're going to be here

1:23:03

longer than I am. I'm not reading. Okay. You're

1:23:06

not going anywhere. We appreciate your work. We appreciate your

1:23:08

work very much. We appreciate your work and your kind

1:23:10

words. But the, um, there

1:23:12

is something as you still set the

1:23:14

tone of sports conversation, um,

1:23:17

that I think you are missing out on. And

1:23:20

it's a genuine question from me to you as

1:23:22

a person and people that put shows together

1:23:24

in this entire thing. Don't

1:23:26

you think hockey's on? Do you know anything about, do you

1:23:28

know hockey? Do you like the way the Rangers are in

1:23:31

hockey, right? They're still doing the

1:23:33

hockey. There's only four teams left in the

1:23:35

New York Rangers. And you're, I think if

1:23:37

you were to look out that beautiful thing

1:23:39

now, I mean, earn though, to

1:23:42

all faith. A lot of time,

1:23:44

a lot of hours on sacrifice, which we

1:23:46

appreciate, you know, we're not talking like military

1:23:48

or cops or EMTs or what we're talking

1:23:50

a lot of time for our entertainment throughout

1:23:52

the years. And you've earned that penance. But

1:23:54

if you look out there, you can actually

1:23:56

look up, maybe see an arena and there's a team

1:23:58

still playing the hockey. Right now, still doing

1:24:01

it. Do you, what, why, can we, can

1:24:03

you add that into a rundown? Maybe over

1:24:05

the next, because this Florida team, they're playing

1:24:07

dogs. Dogs in a Western

1:24:09

conference, also awesome. We think more people should

1:24:11

talk about it. And if Greeny talked about

1:24:13

it, guess what? Everybody's talking

1:24:16

about it. Everybody's talking

1:24:18

about Greeny. Let's do

1:24:20

that. I

1:24:22

am well aware that the range is playing. In

1:24:25

fact, I'm probably going to go to the game

1:24:27

tonight. I live a five minute walk from the

1:24:29

garden. Great. So, so

1:24:31

here's the thing. I

1:24:35

mean, if you want to have a serious conversation about this, we can,

1:24:37

which is to say that this is

1:24:40

another example of, I think, how the business

1:24:42

is changing. So the

1:24:44

way I was taught is, in

1:24:46

our role, your job is

1:24:48

not to create interest, it's to reflect it.

1:24:51

So I've always tried to go wherever I

1:24:53

think the largest number of people are otherwise

1:24:55

interested. I have great people over the years.

1:24:57

Look, Mike, I might keep you to say

1:24:59

to us all the time, you guys never

1:25:01

do, you hate hockey. I don't hate hockey.

1:25:03

If I thought millions of people wanted to

1:25:06

turn on my show in the morning and

1:25:08

watch us talk about hockey for a longer

1:25:10

period of time than we talk about basketball

1:25:12

or football, I would be the first person

1:25:14

to do it. My favorite sport is

1:25:16

golf. I can't sit there and talk about golf in

1:25:19

the morning because my job is

1:25:21

to try and have the biggest audience I

1:25:23

possibly can. So this stuff is driven, at

1:25:25

least in my opinion, by the interest of

1:25:27

other people, not by my interest now. The

1:25:30

world in which we live today, which is

1:25:32

becoming increasingly fragmented, where your show is being

1:25:34

consumed so differently than my shows have always

1:25:36

been. Like at the end of the day,

1:25:38

I hosted a radio show and a television

1:25:40

show. You're doing a show that people right

1:25:42

now, people are not only watching

1:25:44

and listening to this conversation in like seven different

1:25:46

ways, but they're gonna be doing it for like

1:25:49

the next six or seven hours. That's never really

1:25:51

been what I do. I get one shot at

1:25:53

this and I'm trying to attract the biggest possible

1:25:55

crowd I possibly can. You can

1:25:57

do a little bit of stuff for everyone.

1:26:00

you can be a little bit of everything

1:26:02

for all people. That's never been my role.

1:26:04

And so it's still not

1:26:06

the way my mind works. That's the serious answer

1:26:08

to your question. Yeah, it's great answer, actually. Very

1:26:10

good. It's like, you're the only human that could

1:26:12

probably give that answer too. So I appreciate you

1:26:14

doing that. Yeah, I mean,

1:26:16

so so I'm old enough to

1:26:18

remember when there were there

1:26:20

was a cover story in

1:26:22

Sports Illustrated magazine that said,

1:26:24

has the NHL surpassed the

1:26:26

NBA in popularity. This was

1:26:28

sometime in the early 90s.

1:26:31

And it was when Wayne Gretzky was in

1:26:33

LA. And there was

1:26:35

all of that kind of conversation. And

1:26:37

I feel like there has been that

1:26:39

that so that that evolution or that

1:26:42

ebb and flow always

1:26:44

continues. And I've always felt it

1:26:46

was my job to follow it not

1:26:48

to lead it because I've always believed

1:26:50

if I go someplace that my audience

1:26:53

isn't interested in, they'll go find someone

1:26:55

else who's going to take them where

1:26:57

they want to go. Maybe I'm wrong.

1:26:59

Maybe in this day and age, you're right. And

1:27:02

your audience is loyal enough to you that they'll

1:27:04

follow you wherever it is you want to take

1:27:06

them. And I think that's going to be really

1:27:08

interesting to watch going forward. We get a lot

1:27:11

of people a lot of reason to leave. I

1:27:13

think that's the you know, like adding another one,

1:27:15

you know, like that big in I

1:27:18

respect and appreciate what you just said there, because

1:27:20

you're actually being transparent about a business in an

1:27:22

industry that all of us have followed along with

1:27:24

and asked and wondered these same exact things. And

1:27:26

you're literally the person that could answer. So I

1:27:28

appreciate that. And I do think we're in the

1:27:30

clips era now where clips of things are being

1:27:33

seen by their fan base, like whenever we do

1:27:35

hockey, the hockey clip, hockey people are going to

1:27:37

find it, you know, and they're like, thankful for

1:27:39

it. And also, you got people that are new

1:27:41

to maybe sport of hockey that are like, okay,

1:27:43

the more I learned, the better it is. So

1:27:45

that's reflect verse, create is such an

1:27:48

interesting view on this thing. And I

1:27:50

know that like your time

1:27:52

is is something that is taken

1:27:54

up by studying sports all the time and

1:27:56

knowing what everything is. Are you also a

1:27:58

magician? Like are you? Are you

1:28:01

currently palming something? How are you doing

1:28:03

to make that disappear? This

1:28:06

is the cap to a water bottle. I mean I

1:28:08

always have something in my hand No, I know but

1:28:10

you palm that thing you're a magician like you could

1:28:12

do the Flipping thing where

1:28:14

you could palm shit. I didn't know you oh I

1:28:18

don't even know I know I mean I'd

1:28:20

love to be more interesting than it actually is

1:28:22

I just have my hand crumpled up it I

1:28:24

can't even find the I'm Setting

1:28:27

you a $30 Magic kit You're

1:28:29

gonna be able to do on tap attention

1:28:32

if you can palm quarters and suck the

1:28:34

amount of oh my god Oh, I

1:28:36

mean, you don't even know you might be a hall

1:28:38

of fame magician, which might be the next I would

1:28:40

give anything to do Man, I love me. Yes, man.

1:28:42

Oh, yeah when I come across so in this day

1:28:45

and age you process So I can explain you the

1:28:47

things I understand you understand the internet way

1:28:49

better than I do Which is to say I

1:28:51

don't know how these algorithms know me way better

1:28:53

than somehow

1:28:56

Instagram reels which is what I

1:28:59

have instead of tiktok, right? I see all the

1:29:01

tiktoks like two weeks later big on Instagram reels

1:29:05

They send me magic clips all the time I

1:29:07

and I don't even know how they figured out

1:29:09

that I love this stuff But I can't get

1:29:11

enough of it David Blaine whom I've never met

1:29:13

is I think one of

1:29:15

the greatest performers in the entire world of any

1:29:17

kind I could sit and watch him Endlessly

1:29:19

and I could never possibly do what he does

1:29:21

believe me The last thing in the world you

1:29:24

want to see me do is try

1:29:26

and figure out something interesting to do with the

1:29:28

Capture this bottle of water. I think we would

1:29:30

like to see greeny in front of a couple

1:29:32

thousand people Oh, yeah, so hard trick. Mm-hmm. John

1:29:34

balloon thing. Oh, yeah, the balloon thing that David

1:29:37

Blaine did where he was just

1:29:39

flying through the sky with a hundred balloons a little bit of

1:29:41

an engine and Trapped in yeah strapped

1:29:43

in and hang that they Chris Angel is who you need

1:29:45

to get hold your phone up Is this your

1:29:47

phone you're on right now? Yeah, Chris

1:29:50

Angel Chris Angel. So now we just got in

1:29:52

your algorithm Chris Angel, okay, wait till you see

1:29:54

he's gonna take somebody's legs off of an upper

1:29:57

ball, baby It's about to happen on your reels.

1:29:59

It's insane what he did to Shaq. Yeah, he

1:30:01

made Shaq fly Levitate over his house. Really?

1:30:05

See, David Blaine put a

1:30:07

playing card inside an uncut

1:30:09

lemon. Like he had Harrison

1:30:11

Ford cut open the lemon. The

1:30:14

card that he had picked from a

1:30:16

deck earlier was inside an uncut lemon.

1:30:19

And Harrison Ford had the only answer that

1:30:21

I think was appropriate in that moment, which

1:30:23

was, get out of my

1:30:25

house. If you can do that, I

1:30:28

don't want to know how you do it. There's no question

1:30:30

in the world that is, not

1:30:33

the act of a human being. So

1:30:35

I love all that stuff. And who's the real

1:30:37

life demon right now that we all know and

1:30:39

got to see at the draft spectacular? Yeah, it

1:30:41

goes. Oh, who's the mentalist? This guy's an actual

1:30:43

demon. Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, he's phenomenal. It's a

1:30:45

different kind of thing. So he did a trick

1:30:47

with us once. When we were starting

1:30:49

Get Up, the earliest edition of Get Up, which

1:30:51

you, of course, Pat will remember well, and you

1:30:53

were an important part of when it was me,

1:30:56

Beetle and Jalen. The

1:30:58

very first thing we ever did, he came

1:31:01

on and he put an idea into

1:31:03

my head. And I'm still not exactly

1:31:05

sure how I did it, but he

1:31:07

got me to predict the score of

1:31:09

something that happened in the future. And

1:31:11

I have no idea how we did it. To this day, I

1:31:13

don't know how he was it right. Was it right? He

1:31:16

was right. He did at the time. Yeah, Packers Diner.

1:31:18

And he was right. Packers Diner is 24 7 or

1:31:20

34 7. 34 27.

1:31:22

34 27. He said you're one point

1:31:24

off there. Yeah. And that's

1:31:27

a game coming up next year. He predicted the entire

1:31:29

draft, even the Pennicks, even

1:31:32

the Pennicks pick in a, in a

1:31:34

whatever. Granny, you're the man. We appreciate the hell out of

1:31:36

you, brother. Well, it's always a pleasure. I'll

1:31:39

see you soon. Hockey.

1:31:42

Go to the game tonight. You should go. In

1:31:45

my algorithm now, what's going to happen is I'm going

1:31:47

to get magic and I'm going to get hockey on

1:31:49

my reels later. And then guess what's going to happen?

1:31:52

Sweet. Getups going to have Chris Angel

1:31:54

taking somebody's legs off their body on get up. And

1:31:56

then also we're going to have the hockey on.

1:31:58

Thank God. Holy shit. Thanks to the algorithm. That one's

1:32:01

really giving love to the algorithm. It

1:32:03

goes up. Thank you. You're

1:32:05

the man. You're the best. Mike Greenberg. Yay!

1:32:09

That is awesome. Reflective of

1:32:11

things. So this is what people are

1:32:13

watching. So we are going to reflect that in our

1:32:16

coverage of SportsMe. It makes sense. And

1:32:18

obviously we're not going to cover things that, well,

1:32:21

actually we have. We have covered things

1:32:23

that nobody has watched. And that's not

1:32:26

necessarily the greatest linear ratings. What's

1:32:28

up? I mean, there's something you

1:32:30

said yesterday in Romania that nobody has watched. So we're

1:32:32

not going to cover that. Yeah, I'm sure you're not.

1:32:34

We're not going to cover that. But somebody's fighting leagues

1:32:37

are getting a little bit off. I

1:32:39

imagine that's incredibly boring, though. Yes,

1:32:41

I would say. That's like doing it every day.

1:32:43

Obviously during football season it's easier when you have

1:32:45

all those teams and you can bounce around from

1:32:48

game to game. But you're talking

1:32:50

about one game for two hours. Today

1:32:53

they did a season outlook for the Cowboys and

1:32:55

Steelers, which... That's how it runs.

1:32:58

And those clips are good, too, right? Yeah. Because

1:33:00

their fans enjoy that. So you do what you got to do. I

1:33:02

just think the absence of hockey was a

1:33:05

wild decision that was made seemingly at one

1:33:07

time. Now, there was a time, and I

1:33:09

guess we should have followed up with this,

1:33:11

where it was believed because it wasn't

1:33:13

on ESPN. It wasn't. It wasn't talked

1:33:15

about. Right. But now it is on

1:33:17

ESPN. And it still wasn't really getting talked about.

1:33:19

As a human that enjoys at least understanding what

1:33:22

the hell is going on in hockey throughout the

1:33:24

year, not able to watch every single game. It's

1:33:26

like, shouldn't it get some sort of

1:33:28

play on there? Especially when you

1:33:30

got the Rangers who are right in your

1:33:32

backyard and they're going to three consecutive overtime.

1:33:34

All these games are incredibly entertaining and like,

1:33:37

edge of your seat. Like it just... I

1:33:40

mean, I don't know. Again, he knows better than

1:33:42

we do for how to run his show. But

1:33:44

like, you would think, hey, there's only a handful

1:33:46

of these games left. Like, you know, just throwing

1:33:48

in 10 minutes of that, like at least changes

1:33:50

things up for them and kind of gets them

1:33:53

more engaged as opposed to like, okay, we just

1:33:55

did this for one block. Now let's

1:33:57

do the exact same thing after commercials. I do enjoy the

1:33:59

shit out of green. Greeny's a person that's supposed to hate

1:34:01

me. For sure. Greeny, you

1:34:03

know what I mean? Greeny's a human, if you just think about it. Maybe

1:34:05

if he didn't know you, maybe if he didn't talk to you, he didn't

1:34:07

know you. Well, that's what I'm saying, but he was the one who opened

1:34:09

the door. It was like, hey, I would like this guy to be on

1:34:11

my show. Greeny was the one that was like, I want this guy on

1:34:14

the show. Like, not in the suits that he

1:34:16

has been. We're like, you know, we think you

1:34:18

should be on GitHub. Greeny was like, I would

1:34:20

like this guy on the show. So like, he

1:34:22

was always incredibly kind to me very early and

1:34:24

a wealth of knowledge in this thing. Now that

1:34:26

doesn't mean you necessarily have to do everything. And

1:34:28

it does, but like anytime I've ever had a

1:34:30

question, he's answered for it. And I appreciate

1:34:33

the hell out of him. But it is too- Greeny's

1:34:35

the rudder. Don't you think Greeny's like the rudder? He's

1:34:37

the rudder that sets us, sets the sports world in

1:34:39

the direction that they're going for that day. Well, Mike

1:34:41

and Mike, definitely. What's 6 a.m. they're on? So that's

1:34:43

the first shot. Like I used to do- It was

1:34:45

gigantic. For people who don't know how, that were absolutely

1:34:47

gigantic. I referenced what Mike and Mike was whenever I

1:34:49

was talking to Bob Iger and Jimmy Pitaro about our

1:34:51

show. It's like, if we can get on the road,

1:34:53

so they used to travel to places. Yeah. And

1:34:56

they were like a part of it. It's like,

1:34:58

I think we would enjoy doing that. Now nobody

1:35:00

will be able to replicate them. They're both Hall

1:35:02

of Famers. That show is phenomenal, but they

1:35:04

were also on in the morning. When I used to do

1:35:06

Bob and Tom, I was incredibly lucky to do Bob and

1:35:09

Tom here in Indianapolis, Indiana. And Tom Griswold, you know, is

1:35:11

Bob Cavoli and Tom Griswold. Tom was the one that was

1:35:13

like recruiting me to come do the show. I didn't want

1:35:15

to do it cause it was around for so long. I

1:35:17

knew of it. I didn't want to ruin it. That was

1:35:20

a hundred percent the case. And Tom Griswold

1:35:22

was pitching it. And he talked about being in the

1:35:24

morning show. It's like morning show, first hack at jokes.

1:35:27

You get the first hack at the jokes of

1:35:29

whatever it is. Cause everybody's going to be covered

1:35:31

the same shit. So you kind of get the first

1:35:33

hack at it. It's like in sports world, you get

1:35:35

the first hacks that it takes. You're

1:35:38

like setting what the thoughts are

1:35:40

for a lot of people that are tuning into

1:35:42

a show to hear what the thoughts are. So

1:35:44

a lot of responsibility in those early morning shows

1:35:46

and get up obviously is the first one whenever

1:35:48

it comes to daytime shows after a sports center

1:35:50

runs in the morning. So it's like they are

1:35:52

literally the first one kind of setting the table

1:35:54

for every other sports talk that is. He knows

1:35:56

that 20 years he said, I've been doing it.

1:35:58

It's like, yeah. That's a long-ass

1:36:00

time being the one that kind of leads the

1:36:02

way for what entire sports fan base Yeah I

1:36:05

mean when this show was like in its infancy

1:36:07

of us doing The daily sports show like when

1:36:09