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Hello beautiful people and

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welcome to our humble

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this Rest Easy logo

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Wednesday June 12, 2024.

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This program starts now!

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Sports are awesome. Sports create

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figures and icons that inspire the world

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to be better and do better. They

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inspire kids to grow up and

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hopefully be able to succeed what

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they were able to accomplish and

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today we lost an absolute legend.

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The logo since 1969 for

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the NBA has passed away.

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A West Virginia icon and legend Jerry

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West at the age of 86 passed

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away peacefully this morning with his wife

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laying next to him. Now obviously we

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all remember that he's an eight-time champion

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as an executive in the NBA, one-time

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champion as a player, 1960 gold

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medal winner. He is a two-time

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All-American at West Virginia, but what

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people will remember most is

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that he was a guy who inspired

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everybody seemingly in the NBA. Michael Jordan

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has put out a quote commemorating

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and honoring Jerry West. I am so deeply

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saddened at the news of Jerry's passing. He

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was truly a friend and mentor like an

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older brother to me. I valued his friendship

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and knowledge. I always wished I could have

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played against him as a competitor but the

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more I came to know him I wish

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I had been his teammate. I admired his

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basketball insights and he and I shared many

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similarities to how we approached the game. He

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will be forever missed. My condolences to

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his wife Karen and his sons.

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Rest in peace logo. One of his sons, Johnny

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West went to school West Virginia whenever I

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was there. He was also alongside Joe Missoula. I

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do believe I assume Joe Missoula in the

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West family pretty close if I had to guess

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but this is somebody that obviously the entire

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sports world is mourning. We went and looked up

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his highlights because obviously in the 60s I was

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not around, did not see many. We had

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a nice sick baby we

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had some good vision on the court. We were

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able to cut to the hoop and cut to

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the basket and also lead in a

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fashion in which His teammates loved

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him. Now there was obviously the Showtime

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series about the Lakers that depicted him

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in a fashion that he was not

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very happy about. There was some shit

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talked about the era in which basketball

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was played by Jerry. And

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Jerry came back and talked shit to

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JJ. It feels like everything that Jerry

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West did, we all appreciated, he was

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an absolute doe and

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a man who obviously helped shape basketball into

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what it is today and the NBA into

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what it is today. So rest in peace,

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Jerry. You did good, pal. You

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done good. As the Zeke.

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Yeah, from Cabin Creek. Cabin Creek in West

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Virginia. West Virginia guy done good. Rest in

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peace to him and condolences to

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his entire family just like Michael Jordan

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said. Now the toxic table is here

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at Boston Connor at Kai Schmidt Command,

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sweet shirt today. Thank you. Once

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again, just one of those ones that kind of jumps

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out to you, I mean, game three of the finals

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tonight. Kind of have to have that Panther mentality, if

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you will. Yeah, Jungle Cad. Sure, there it is. Especially

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his first time being underdog since April. Whoa. This

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evening. Only fourth time all year. As they're getting two

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and a half points going into Dallas. Now, Kristaps

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Brzingis is obviously a man who was not

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playing a lot of basketball with the Celtics

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throughout this playoff run, but then for the

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first two games against the Dallas Mavericks is

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absolutely dominant. He is questionable this evening. Sean

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Sharanja is reporting that he will be working

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out on the court to see how much

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he'll be able to play. He has been

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quoted as saying, I'll die out there. Love

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it. So I think the books

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notice that and they also think

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to themselves, Luca and Kyrie, for what they had to go

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through to get to the finals, they got to be able

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to at least win one at home. Well, tonight be

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the night. You can get the Celtics plus two

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and a half. They've won 10 straight games. Yep.

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10 straight. They have got one dominating

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fashion. They've obviously had some leads that

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have been taken away and they've been

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behind by double digits in multiple games

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and it just doesn't matter. They never

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crack. They always come back. They always

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win. Are they going to sweep the

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finals? The sports books say no, not

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tonight. they will lose to the Mavericks. We'll

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have a big windy wind horse. We'll join him

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in about an hour and five minutes. Hopefully he'll

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be able to have some more information on the

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status of Porzingis. So I think is a massive

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piece of the puzzle for this game. But if

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you look down there at the bottom, Celtics win

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percentage of season in playoffs, 76%

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with Porzingis, 86% without Porzingis. They

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obviously know how to play without him, but with him,

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they're a much better team. I'll be excited to see

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how Joe Mazzullo rallies the boys. And if you're Boston,

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you want them to lose one of these games in

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Dallas, so that you can have the championship winning game

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back in the great city of Boston, right? No,

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I get that. I do not give a shit

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where they won. And I just want them to

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win one of those damn trophies so we can

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break the tie with the Lakers that's up top,

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which, you know, would be an incredible thing. Have

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the most banners in the entire NBA. That is

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something that I think both Celtics and Lakers fans

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have been bickering about for quite some time. So

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that would be great, but no, it doesn't matter

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if it's home. Doesn't matter if it's in Dallas.

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I think tonight and game four are going to

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be real tough though on the road. One half

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of the hammer, bad. Cowboys tone digs. First time

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since April, they've been the underdogs. How does this

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feel? Are you hammering them? Is that the move?

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Or do you think this is a little bit

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of a, oh, wait a second. Maybe the books

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are onto something. I mean, I'm

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taking the Celtics. I'm not overthinking this one.

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They have been really good without Porzingis all

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season long. Whether they're going to be

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favored in the city or in the series, whether

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Porzingis was playing or not. It's not like the

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Mazz are going to be favored in the series

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if Porzingis was out. Now did they lose or

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could they have lost a couple games to a much

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less Pacers team than Dallas Mavericks? Sure. So I

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wouldn't be shocked if the Mavericks won here, obviously

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with Luca and Kyrie, but yeah, you don't get

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any chance at plus money on the Celtics. So

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yeah, I'll be taking it. What's

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that? Look, I'm just going to say it. I

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said it when Porzingis went down, Lucie Cornett,

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the third string center, who will now be bumped

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up to second string. We're

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taking his over on points. I'd take his over in points. I'd

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also take his over in threes. Lucie

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Cornett can get wet, soaking wet from.

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behind the arc. I'm just saying that now. Talking

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about soaking wet is Tatum going to do it?

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Yeah, I don't know. I see a lot of

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people saying if his last name was Tatum, Mitch,

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then maybe they kind of appreciate what he's doing

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out there. But because it's not that it's not

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as cool as a situation because Jason Tatum dropping

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18, 9 and 12, but it's not the same

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thing because he's not scoring

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40, which I can get. I won

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10 straight playoff. Yeah. And he's the

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best player. That's multiple series, almost another

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one. They're two wins away from another

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championship nine year NFL vet. Host of

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everything. DB, good D bad D Terry Shabod.

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I love all these narratives that kind of

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get built around all those games. And obviously

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the bigger the brights, the more spotlight, the

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more conversation there's going to be. This Boston

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Celtics team has just been more dominant than

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everybody. And I'm saying that as a Pacers

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fan, I went and watched our team have

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18 point leads and 16 point leads in

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the game and end up losing. They never

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budged. You never cracked. They have a real

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championship pedigree up there, although this team hasn't

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won one year. Yeah, absolute wagon. Been that

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way all season long. Obviously it starts with

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the duo, but everybody around them just does their

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job. It doesn't matter who's in there. They're going to be

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open. They're going to hit shots. They're going to play

7:05

defense for the sake of us for the fans. I

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would like obviously this series to extend as

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long as possible. We need Kyrie to wake

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up and drop 30 tonight. We need Luca.

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Hopefully got some good sleep at

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home. But yeah, we definitely need seven

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kind of looking like a sweep in the NHL

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as well. So this is absolutely wagging. How about

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now? Edmonton going back. I'm sure they're going to

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have a conversation. How about last night? No games

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on. I know. Brutal. That was weird. Yeah. Just

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watching TV and baseball. Yeah. I didn't watch any

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baseball. I'll get into that though at some point

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because screens was pitching. Yeah. Yeah. The announcer ripped

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ass big time right

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after one skiing strikeout. That was a Dan

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Orlovski situation. Yeah. A little more pronounced than

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the Dan Orlovski one. I mean, if Skeens

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is pitching, we need to make sure that

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is at least in the show. Because last

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night, no game. Here, run this. We have

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sound. Oh,

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this is not the fart. Okay. If we have the fart, we should

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run. We should definitely run the fart, but

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if Paul Skeens is pitching especially on a night

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where we have no final series We need to

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know I had no idea until I looked on

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my phone and Skeens is wheeling and dealing and

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a guy shitting all over Himself in the booth,

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but that is something that's gonna save us Let's

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remember that Skeens only gonna be pitching 20 to

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23 times. Okay, that is allegedly all year We

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need to know when he's on the mound so

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that we can at least take advantage of it

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Because if not, you're gonna be watching like outer

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range home on Amazon. Fantastic show There's a couple

8:27

Netflix documentaries that I was skating through Hitman on

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Netflix, watched that last night, it was good Pow!

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Gonna find pow, I guess that's the number one

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movie on Netflix right now He's currently in the

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middle of a bit of a heater. Oh, pal.

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I think that's a wave or a rollercoaster We

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should write also in baseball saw a Cincinnati Reds

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kid Streak on the field do

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a backflip Yep, and then land it perfectly

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with no shoes on and then he would

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go on to get tased out of his

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life Yeah, immediately. He goes on talks. What's

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up about here boys? Yeah,

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wait a second Right

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in the cops face and then bang That

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taser normally works, you know, everyone's well We'll

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see the zombie out there and some big

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drunk doofus will be able to beat the

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taser Yeah, but after you land a backflip

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there's you're not thinking to yourself I'm about

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to get about three thousand watts

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of electricity Right through my

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spine here in a moment the cop thought to

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himself damn this guy it while he's

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doing the backflip While he's doing the

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back. Yeah, he thought to himself look at the box He

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actually talked this thing. He's a just

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guy what if he right in the

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face? Okay,

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we deserved it that's Ohio I mean that is

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in Ohio both these dudes are Ohio Fox

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yeah, and that's that's pretty apparent.

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I do appreciate the fact though

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that Shoeless

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kid. Yep thought to himself I'm

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gonna do a backflip out there. What do

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most people do? They run they get scared.

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They panic slide not me I'm gonna do

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a standing backflip back there. I'm actually gonna

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talk the The amount of athleticism it takes

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to do that backflip with no shoes on,

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incredibly impressive. From a standstill, too.

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Didn't use the round off. He did have a spot. The

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cop did help him spin him so that he could

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tase the shit out of him. But once again, farting

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in the booth, streaker in

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Cincinnati, the story of baseball, this

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thing's happening around the baseball.

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Well, Skeens, though. Skeens on

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the bump is, I mean, you're right. It's

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appointment television. Skeens got a standing O from

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the home crowd as a visitor. Yeah, that was

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really cool to see. I almost watched it because

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of that after the fact. But no, man, you

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know, I'll put it on the schedule. A standing

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O for Paul Skeens in another city. Yeah. I

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guess up in Connecticut, there was

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a basketball game being played. And

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the person who was playing for the other

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team sold out their arena against, I

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guess she was getting cheered for. And the

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home team was getting booed for how they

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were training. Oh. It was pretty sweet. Yeah,

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that was happening. Really? Yeah, that was awesome.

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It was in the WNBA. Oh, OK. It

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was in the WNBA. I'm sure that was

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dope. Yeah, there was boos for the home

11:04

team because the way they were mocking the

11:06

away team who had just a rookie who

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didn't have enough experience to maybe play for

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America, that was happening. That's awesome. That's still

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taking place. Because I thought at this point

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that would have stopped, you know, because not

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good enough. Yeah, Christie Sides, unfortunately, did take

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her out very, very early. It would have

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been nice if she got a little more

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minutes, a little more burn. No. You're talking

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about Caitlin Clark. I didn't see

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that it was Caitlin Clark. I just saw that it happened.

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In the WNBA. I didn't know

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it was Caitlin Clark. It was Caitlin Clark. Yeah, I

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was watching the game. Yeah, they weren't playing very well.

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But then, you know, towards the end, it got a

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little better. I should have known it was Caitlin. So

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it out the arena. The fans were booing the home

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team. Couldn't have had any of the rookies. How would

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you know? Not just rookie, anybody in WNBA. That

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was Caitlin Clark. Yeah, it was. That

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makes sense. That makes sense now that

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I'm piecing it together. Douce, douce. Oh, because remember

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opening night for that team. First sellout

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since 2003. That's right. Because

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the fever were there. Not because,

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no. K-LIM, no. And

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then a 20,000 seater in Washington. That was just

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cause they had some plumbing issues at their other

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arena on the S4200. Exactly.

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That wasn't because. No, no, no. Not for more

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space. And then last night, the booing of the

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home team was because, Kaitlin. Oh

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yeah. Wow, I didn't expect that. Yeah.

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All right, we move on. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us

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now is a legend, a multiple

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hall of fame inductee. A man

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who's probably gonna end up in three

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to four more when it's all said

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and done. And host of Get Up

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Every Morning on ESPN. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Michael Greenberg. Yay! Graney.

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What's up guys? Obviously, just like everybody

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else, we led the show with the,

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you know, a little bit of respect

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being paid to West Virginia legend, Jerry

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West. I was born in 1987, obviously.

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So I only got to see his work as an

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executive. I only got to see him as the logo.

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I only got to see those types of things. You're

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a little bit older than us. Obviously not as old

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as Jerry West. Well, what an

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important and prominent figure in the NBA in sports

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as a whole. I think we're all kind of

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realizing and being reminded this morning. Yeah,

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we've got that news right at the end of Get Up This

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Morning. So Hembo and I just spent the

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last two hours talking about it on radio, and with a

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chance to think about it

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through a lot more, I think

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you could make a very strong

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argument that Jerry West had the

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most consistently successful and impactful career

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in the history of American professional sports.

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If you think about it, if

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you think about a three-time All-American in college in the

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50s, how many people

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were relevant in the 1950s, forget

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about sports, in any endeavor

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in American life and remained fully

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relevant until very recently. I mean,

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even arguably up until this day,

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but certainly as recently as the

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last few years. That's six decades

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of relevance and domination. He

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is on the short list of

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the greatest players that ever lived.

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He might be the most accomplished

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executive of the sport

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and he is the freaking logo for crying out loud.

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So I think if you start

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making a list of the most accomplished and important

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Americans in the history of sports,

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he is on the very, very short list.

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He would be in the handful at the

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very top of that list. Yeah, from 1980

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to 2017. Yeah,

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that's when his eight championships as an executive were

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tracked. So I believe he stepped out after that

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because 2020 didn't count towards it.

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But just think about that amount of years. And

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everybody seemingly being OK with it. You

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know, at some point, everybody kind of

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loses their luster. Everybody wants forced out.

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This guy's 86 years old, passes away

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at 86. If he wanted

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a job back in the NBA, everybody

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would be completely OK with that. That

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is saying something not only about his

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basketball acumen, but him as a human.

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You know, West Virginia boy, Greeny, is

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a West Virginia legend. And I like

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to see the whole world pay tribute

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to somebody that's great because nowadays everybody's

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trying to tear people down. Rest in

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peace, 44. You've

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done good, Logo. You've done good.

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Can I give you something on him that will

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never be done again? There will be no one

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else who will ever have this happen. Jerry

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West was the MVP of an NBA

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finals that his team didn't win. He

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was the most outstanding player of an

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NCAA tournament that his team didn't win.

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West Virginia lost in the championship game

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to Cal. But the most outstanding

15:24

player in that tournament was Jerry West. In

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1969, they lost in seven, a legendary

15:30

seven game series to the Celtics.

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Jerry West was the MVP. He

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remains the only MVP in a losing cause

15:38

that the NBA finals have ever had. You

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could argue LeBron should have won that at

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least once. But that's neither here nor there.

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That'll never happen again. He was the best

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player win or lose in

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practically every game he ever played. Stephen

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Jackson literally just said on our show

15:53

a couple of days ago. Oh, OK,

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yeah. That if Luca was to win

15:57

the MVP in a losing bout here.

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in the NBA Finals, he would be the biggest

16:02

hater of basketball forever. He said he would not

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be able to do it, just in a losing

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effort, you can't win, but Jerry literally was able

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to accomplish it because of how outstanding he was,

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only person ever, I do believe in the history

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of the NBA. And I don't think Luca would

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want it, but this NBA series is something we

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will talk about and the boys will have questions

16:20

for you in a bit, but I would like

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to talk to you about your fandom, your

16:24

team. Hey, listen, Aaron

16:27

Rodgers is Aaron Rodgers, okay? He's

16:29

been at every single off-season conditioning

16:31

program, he's been at every single

16:33

OTA, he's missing the mandatory

16:35

minicamp. Now, that conversation with Salah and GM

16:38

Douglas, I believe happened before OTAs, so they

16:40

knew that this was coming at some point.

16:42

I don't know if there was ever a

16:45

plan on how we're gonna roll this out,

16:47

how we're gonna tell people what our answer

16:49

is gonna be whenever people say, hey, who's

16:51

all here, who's not here? Hassan Riddick, who

16:54

hasn't been here, he's been working his ass

16:56

off. That's right. This guy, we know he's gonna

16:58

get after, if we know anything

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about Hassan, he hasn't been here all off-season workouts, all

17:02

the voluntary stuff, we know he's gonna get after it.

17:05

Aaron though, yeah, he has something very important to

17:07

him, it is an excuse,

17:09

which we know is not a word, but

17:11

it was an excuse, an excuse, an excuse

17:13

he's subject to fines and penalties. As soon

17:15

as Coach Salah says that, he knows that

17:17

this is gonna be a massive ordeal,

17:20

right? Has to, and what are your thoughts as

17:22

a diehard New York Jet fan and a member

17:24

of the media who as soon as you hear

17:26

that, know it's gonna be a massive story regardless?

17:29

I thought the one who had this exactly right yesterday

17:31

was you, when you said this

17:33

was something that could easily have been

17:35

as close to nothing as possible, but

17:37

Salah made it into something. This is the

17:39

second situation he's completely mishandled in

17:42

this off-season. He had to be aware

17:44

that people were gonna ask him about

17:46

all the reports, that they had tried

17:48

to replace offensive coordinator, Nathaniel Hackett during

17:50

the off-season, and he refused to answer

17:52

the question and then said it's because

17:54

he had addressed it previously when

17:56

he actually hadn't. So he completely mishandled that,

17:59

and he completely. mishandled this. A very simple

18:01

answer to the question is, Aaron has been

18:03

at everything. He has demonstrated nothing but outstanding

18:06

leadership throughout this entire process. We're not the

18:08

least bit concerned about this. He had something

18:10

important to him to do. It's not going

18:12

to have any impact whatsoever on us going

18:15

forward and we look forward to him being

18:17

back soon. Dan Orlovsky

18:19

speculated on Get Up

18:21

This Morning, Pat, I'm not sure if

18:23

you saw it, that Salah handling

18:25

it the way he did yesterday suggests

18:28

that there's somebody who doesn't like it

18:31

and we can only guess who that somebody

18:33

might be. Is it the coach himself who

18:35

doesn't like that Rogers isn't there?

18:37

Is it the owner who doesn't like that Rogers isn't

18:40

there? Is there some other

18:42

prominent player, although I find that tough to

18:44

picture, that isn't happy Rogers isn't there? Personally,

18:46

I have no issue whatsoever with Rogers not

18:48

being there. The leadership he has shown, the

18:50

dedication to this he has shown from the

18:52

second the Jets signed him. Look, there are

18:54

a million different things people have criticized Aaron

18:56

Rogers about over the last year and a

18:58

half and I won't argue with almost any

19:00

of them but I think it is inarguable

19:03

that he has been outstanding as a leader

19:05

in every way that he can be and

19:07

completely dedicated to the cause. So I don't

19:09

have any problem if he had something big

19:11

going on here whether it's now this is

19:13

graduation season I don't know if he's at

19:15

the graduation of somebody cares about or who

19:18

knows what this is. We'll find out, probably

19:20

you'll find out before anybody

19:22

else because he'll come on your show and talk about

19:24

where he's been. Fine, I don't have

19:26

a problem with it. Salah made it

19:29

into an issue yesterday. I agreed with

19:31

you that that was not well handled

19:33

by him but I do agree with

19:35

Orlovsky's take that maybe the way he

19:38

handled it yesterday suggests that while I'm

19:40

okay with it maybe down

19:42

deep inside he isn't okay with it or

19:44

someone else important isn't okay with it. Yeah

19:46

and it's very fascinating because any NFL these

19:48

types of things happen I mean Tom Brady

19:50

missed an entire training camp obviously he had

19:52

a lot going on at that particular case

19:54

he missed practice in there but mandatory minicamp

19:56

especially if you have a hundred percent attendance

19:58

going into it normally I mean, 20 years,

20:00

20 years into his career, you

20:02

would think there would be at least some sort of

20:04

conversation where they're like, all right, cool. Yeah, you gotta

20:07

do what you gotta do. And people

20:09

cut mandatory minicamp early, especially if

20:11

there's a hundred percent attendance, which

20:13

there seemingly has been for the New York

20:15

Jets, which leads me to this, are you

20:18

optimistic that it's all gonna work out? Last

20:20

time you're on, I think you said the

20:22

only question you have about this Jets team

20:24

is coaching. Like, that is really the only

20:26

question. The roster seems to be loaded. The

20:28

year's good, injuries obviously possible, but let's just

20:31

say those aren't gonna take place to your

20:33

most important players. Coaching is the only issue.

20:35

So with the way

20:37

this is handled in the first mandatory situation of

20:39

the NFL season, is that still a worry of

20:42

yours? Or do you think this is gonna be

20:44

something that's gonna be completely forgotten by the time

20:46

the actual season starts? This will be completely forgotten.

20:48

Here's where the Jets- By who? The

20:51

Jets? Let's be forgotten by Aaron. Like,

20:53

I've not talked to Aaron, okay? Because I don't

20:55

wanna know, because I gotta go into this thing

20:58

right here. So I enjoy speculating. You're right though.

21:00

We will find out at some point

21:02

in the story that'll be told. It's

21:04

gonna be, yeah, I just can't

21:07

wait to hear it, because it's gonna be a-

21:09

You need to text him. You need to- Not

21:11

out of it. And find out where it is

21:13

he is. You need to, I don't have his

21:15

number. And Lord knows Shefty and Diana Rossini don't

21:17

have his number. Diana's tweet this morning was awesome.

21:19

I didn't see it. What did she tweet? I

21:21

missed it. What did she tweet? She

21:23

said, Aaron's an asshole. It

21:26

could've been a football. Instead, something else is more

21:29

important. Something along those lines is pretty much what- Really?

21:31

She didn't say asshole. I'm just saying the way

21:34

it read was- Yeah, that was- He's an asshole

21:36

in this entire thing, which Coach

21:38

Stella had to know was gonna

21:40

be the, here it is, Aaron Rodgers skipping

21:42

all of Jets mandatory minicam. All of Jets

21:45

mandatory minicam this week, because he prefers to

21:47

be somewhere else away from football. That's his

21:49

choice. All right, so kinda

21:51

how I summed it up is what she said.

21:53

But that is an accurate take, I guess, on

21:56

the situation, but could've been, the fire could've

21:58

been put out immediately by- Coach Salah who

22:00

understands that he didn't want it to be. So

22:03

maybe Dan Ralofsky is accurate as well. Maybe

22:05

he's speaking for numerous people, but all those

22:07

people know that if Aaron doesn't play football,

22:09

they're all fired. So it is, it's an

22:11

interesting, interesting dynamic over there for sure. Do

22:14

you think he shows up at any voluntary

22:16

shit next year? If he's still

22:18

on the Jets, no chance. I'm so not

22:20

worried about next year. Like next year is

22:22

another lifetime away. I

22:24

can't, can we just get to this? This is what I was starting

22:26

to say a minute ago. The Jets

22:29

need a button that they can

22:31

push that just gets us to the start

22:33

of the season. From the fourth play of

22:35

last season, they were doomed. And the only

22:38

thing that could rescue them was the following

22:40

year starting. Was Aaron having the time to

22:42

heal, which he's now had, and starting again

22:44

and seeing what they can do. In theory,

22:47

they should be better now than they were

22:49

then. They've added innumerable pieces

22:51

to their roster, including Hassan Radek, who they

22:53

got to get in camp, who's holding out

22:55

for entirely normal reasons, which is he wants

22:58

a new contract, and that's fine. Hopefully

23:00

they get that figured out. They should be

23:03

better. They need to just push a button

23:05

and get to the start of the season.

23:07

Nothing good can happen between now and then.

23:09

They need to get on the field because

23:12

in theory, on paper, everything they have should

23:14

be really good. So to go all the

23:16

way back to your first question, yes, I'm

23:18

confident so long as Rodgers isn't mad at

23:21

the way this has been handled. Here's the

23:23

one thing about Aaron. And

23:25

you know him infinitely better than I do. But

23:28

what is obvious is he's sensitive to

23:30

stuff like this. So if

23:33

you think it's curious the way Salah

23:35

handled it, and I think it's curious

23:37

the way Salah handled it, I

23:40

worry that maybe he thinks it's curious the way

23:42

Salah handled it. I mean, I gotta stop worrying.

23:44

This is driving me. Can we just have a

23:46

football season for crying out loud? I think you're

23:48

in the accurate lane there, though, a little bit.

23:51

Now, once again, I've not talked to him about it.

23:53

And Salah said he has not talked to Aaron about it.

23:55

No. Even

23:57

better. Ah, you jets are awesome. The

24:00

Jets are, here's Coach Sallah talking about whether or not

24:02

he's chatted with Aaron. There was

24:05

a lot of craziness that came off of Aaron's

24:07

absence yesterday as expected. Do you have any contact

24:09

with him? I talked to him

24:11

after, after, between yesterday and today. No,

24:14

I haven't. Uh-oh. Okay, so they haven't

24:16

talked, now who knows where he, he could be in a deep, he said,

24:18

well, we have no idea. He could be, yeah. We have no clue where

24:20

he could be and maybe he's off the grid. He could be in a

24:22

hole. Yeah. He literally could

24:24

be in a darkness, but we have no idea. Like,

24:26

AJ Hawke, who knows him better than any human on

24:28

earth. And I thoroughly

24:31

mean that when I say that. AJ Hawke knows him

24:33

better than any human on earth. He comes on, he

24:35

goes, he could literally be anywhere on earth right now.

24:38

Literally be anywhere on earth right now. And I don't even

24:41

know if AJ knows or AJ definitely knows he's not going

24:43

to tell anybody. It's like, so maybe

24:45

they just haven't been able to be in contact. It

24:47

may be Aaron is able to just kind of move

24:49

on from this, but I feel like it was a

24:52

ball dropped just for no reason. We're just adding extra

24:54

shit for no reason in a season in which there

24:56

was a bunch of shit last year. Let's

24:58

reset this and go 100% attendance

25:00

throughout every voluntary thing could easily

25:02

just be like, yup, got him. He's all

25:05

good. He talked to us.

25:07

We're all eyes on the season, but instead the Jets are

25:09

going to do jet stuff, but let's hope it moves on.

25:11

Ty has a question for you, Greeny. Yeah, Greeny. So,

25:13

I mean, obviously if they don't win, everyone's going to

25:15

be gone regardless. But yesterday I was kind of thinking

25:18

like, Hey, even if they do win the Super Bowl,

25:20

there's a chance they're still going to shit cancel it.

25:23

Every time he opens, every time he opens

25:25

his mouth, he has to put his foot

25:28

in it, you know, not too long after

25:30

given Bill Belichick's affinity for

25:32

Rogers and Rogers affinity for Belichick.

25:35

Do you think even if they are very successful

25:37

this year, maybe not win the Super Bowl, do

25:39

you think that's something that they may entertain is,

25:41

Hey, no matter what, we're going

25:43

to go after Belichick. We want to pair him

25:45

with Rogers and then we don't have, we have a

25:47

guy who knows how to, you know, handle the

25:49

media. We don't have to worry about him saying something

25:52

and then having to kind of, you know, react

25:54

to it again the next day because he said the

25:56

wrong thing. Like because this window

25:58

is so tight with Rogers. Do you think there's

26:00

a chance that they kind of just say, all

26:02

right, we really are going to go all in

26:04

and let's go after Belichick, maybe at some point

26:06

during this season or after the season's over? I'm

26:10

trying to think of the

26:12

right way to respond to that. There

26:14

is nothing on planet earth less

26:17

likely to happen. Aaron Rodgers is more

26:19

likely to get vaccinated on

26:22

national television and hold a special

26:24

role than Bill Belichick is to

26:27

accept the coaching job of the New

26:29

York Jets. Bill Belichick, for anyone who

26:31

knows him, hates the Jets.

26:33

If you ever saw the big Bill

26:36

and little Bill, that thing that he

26:38

and Parcells did together, he

26:40

wouldn't even walk into the Jets locker room,

26:42

but they were back in the stadium

26:44

to the Jets in the Giants chair. They went into

26:46

the Giants locker room. He wouldn't walk into

26:49

the Jets locker room. He hates the

26:51

Jets. Just any of the former Patriots,

26:53

they all hate the Jets because Bill hates

26:55

the Jets. There's nothing I

26:57

can think of in football less likely

27:00

than Bill Belichick accepting that

27:02

job. I understand the reason you're

27:04

asking, and in theory it makes sense. I

27:07

do think Bill will be back in coaching next year. I

27:09

think the job he would love to have is the Giants

27:13

if that doesn't go well for them this year. So

27:16

maybe he's back in the building. I do not think there

27:18

is no way Belichick would

27:20

come back as the coach of the

27:22

Jets. I would be as surprised by

27:24

that as anything that has ever happened.

27:27

Okay, so you mentioned the Giants there.

27:29

Have you and your team, Hembo and

27:31

everybody, done a sit down, think

27:33

sesh about where Bill potentially goes after

27:36

this season? Because obviously you have to think about

27:38

places that could be on a hot seat, that

27:40

could be looking to transition and move on. A

27:42

lot of people are saying Dallas Cowboys maybe, right?

27:44

Because Mike McCarthy is on his last year of

27:46

his contract. They're hesitant to pay Dak even though

27:48

everybody's saying they're going to pay Dak. Maybe

27:51

it's for a clean sweep for Bill Belichick going

27:53

forward. How about the Buffalo Bills have been mentioned

27:55

a couple different times because his amount of respect

27:57

for Josh Allen and we love McDermott. We love

28:00

the Buffalo Bills. But if they have another disappointing

28:02

year after getting rid of Stavon Diggs, are they

28:05

going to think about maybe bringing in Bill?

28:07

Have you thought about this? And how wild

28:09

will our shows be next year

28:11

whenever Bill Belichick is certainly making the

28:13

rounds? I think that

28:15

if you know Belichick and you're getting

28:17

to know him now and you will

28:19

more as the season goes on, Belichick

28:21

loves the Giants. That's

28:23

where he came from. That's where

28:26

he was sort of raised in pro

28:28

football. He remains very close with the

28:30

family that owns the New York Giants

28:32

and has since the literal inception of

28:34

the franchise. I think all other

28:36

things being equal, that would be the job that he

28:39

would want the most. The Cowboys part of it, I

28:41

think, is interesting because there are people who would think

28:43

that he could never deal with or work for

28:45

Jerry Jones. I would disagree with that. I think

28:47

he might enjoy not being the

28:49

person who has to get up there and talk about

28:51

anything. And very briefly, if I may, yes, sir, I

28:54

would say to you, I don't think they get a

28:56

deal done with that Prescott at all. If

28:58

I'm decked, if I'm advising Dak Prescott, well, let

29:00

me let me ask you a question, McAfee. You're

29:03

one of the most, you

29:07

know, you were one of the highest value free

29:09

agents in the media business for a while there,

29:11

right? How that work out for you? Pretty good.

29:13

How was it? How was it being a an

29:16

unrestricted free agent where everyone could just

29:18

throw as much money at you as

29:21

they possibly wanted to and you could

29:23

just sit back and pick where you

29:25

wanted to go? Well, football and football

29:27

quarterbacks very rarely find themselves in that

29:30

position. But Dak Prescott is one season

29:32

away from doing exactly that. If Dak

29:34

Prescott becomes an unrestricted free agent

29:36

after this coming season, which there's nothing the

29:39

Cowboys can do can do to keep him

29:41

from becoming that man, he will be able

29:43

to choose his spot. He'll be able to

29:45

choose his salary. Half the teams in the

29:48

league will offer him a trillion dollars and

29:50

he can choose where he wants to go.

29:52

If it's to stay in Dallas, great. If

29:54

it's because if he wants to go someplace

29:57

else, he'll have an endless variety of options

29:59

to choose. from being an unrestricted free

30:01

agent star quarterback is one would be

30:03

one of the rarest commodities that we've

30:06

seen in pro sports in recent memory.

30:08

He will make a killing and if

30:10

I'm advising Dak Prescott, I wouldn't even

30:12

think about signing a contract this offseason,

30:15

play out the year and then let

30:17

the world come to my feet, which

30:19

is what they will regardless of how

30:21

he plays this. Yeah, I mean, Kirk

30:23

Cousins just got 180 million dollar deal,

30:26

130 million dollars guaranteed. And to your

30:28

point, here's what Dak Prescott had to say

30:30

about it. But there's

30:32

also some uncertainty with contracts for

30:34

guys last year for you guys,

30:37

every coach all that stuff. Does it raise any

30:39

urgency as you're going into this season? This

30:43

is the urgency you should always have to be honest. So

30:46

maybe guys who normally wouldn't fill

30:48

it fill it. So I don't mind

30:50

it. I've been in this position before. I'm a

30:52

gambling man will gamble on myself and my

30:55

guys so not actually guys. A

30:58

lot of I mean,

31:00

obviously had to clear that up, but he said I'm

31:03

a gambler man. He's already had a big time

31:05

payday. Maybe he is just going to roll the dice

31:07

on the last year of his contract like Joe

31:09

Flacco did back with the Baltimore Ravens. He would go

31:11

on to win a Super Bowl and then become the

31:13

first 100 million dollar quarterback, I think, and do

31:15

he still play it. He's gonna plan for the Indianapolis

31:18

Colts. We're pulling for you, Dak. Okay, last question

31:20

here from the boys and we can't thank you enough

31:22

for joining us, Greenie. Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, I

31:24

agree. The conversation around the Celtics before these first

31:26

two wins in the finals was about Jalen and

31:29

Tatum and even after game one it was but

31:31

now it's kind of transitioning to is

31:33

this Boston Celtics team one of the most dominant

31:35

teams ever obviously the 73 and nine Warriors would

31:39

be up there, but they didn't win the

31:41

championship. So would you say that this Celtics

31:43

team is one of the most dominant teams

31:45

since the Lakers with Kobe and Shaq or

31:47

do you think that they're kind of a

31:49

tier below that maybe because I mean we're

31:51

looking at it today. This will only be

31:53

their third time or fourth time being underdogs

31:55

in an 82 game regular

31:57

season. I mean that is pretty asinine. when

32:00

you look at it. Yeah, if they sweep the

32:02

series, they'll finish 80 and 20. They're

32:05

the only team in the NBA that did not

32:07

have a three-game losing streak the entire year. They

32:09

played a lot of it without Kristaps Porzingis. By

32:12

the way, with Kristaps Porzingis, I think this was

32:14

a sweep. But the reason

32:16

that Porzingis is a unicorn is not because

32:18

his talent is so unusual. It's because sightings

32:20

of him are so rare. And

32:23

so this shouldn't come as a

32:25

surprise, but they have a lot of experience playing without

32:27

him. So I still expect them to win, though not

32:29

nearly as easily as they would have otherwise. There's

32:32

two separate questions, I think, or there's two answers

32:34

to your question. Do I think they are as

32:36

great a team? If you lined them up and

32:38

you had them play, the Shaq and Kobe Lakers,

32:41

do I think they would beat them? No, I

32:43

think the Shaq and Kobe Laker team was better.

32:45

But that doesn't mean they aren't as individually

32:48

dominant at a given time as those teams

32:50

were then. The game has changed. The league

32:52

is different than it was then. I think

32:54

people overlooked the Celtics this year for a

32:56

couple of reasons. One, they

32:58

ran out and were so far ahead of

33:00

everybody so early that we just all kind

33:02

of lost interest. We were trying to figure out,

33:05

can anyone in the East play with them? And

33:07

then through all of the injuries that happened in

33:09

the Eastern Conference playoffs, we found ourselves saying, well,

33:11

maybe the Celtics aren't as good. Anyone could have

33:13

run through this. What I think they proved to

33:15

us in the first two games is

33:17

that when they are fully healthy, they are by

33:20

a wide margin, the best team in the NBA.

33:22

You didn't even mention the name of Drew Holliday,

33:24

who if I had a vote right now would

33:26

be the MVP of these finals so far. Today

33:28

happens to be his 34th birthday, by the way.

33:31

Happy birthday, Drew. Happy birthday, Drew. Happy birthday,

33:33

Drew. Happy birthday, Drew. Happy birthday, Drew. And

33:35

in my opinion, he is one

33:37

of the most underappreciated, genuinely great players

33:40

in the NBA. So I think the

33:42

answer to your question is yes. If

33:45

they sweep this series or win it in five,

33:48

then I think you will have to say

33:50

they had a 14 game margin in the

33:53

conference in the regular season. They

33:55

will have run through the postseason basically

33:58

unscathed. It's not

34:00

their responsibility to pick the opponents that

34:02

they play. So yes, they will have

34:04

had one of the most dominant seasons

34:06

in the history of the NBA, whether

34:09

you think that makes them one of the individually

34:11

greatest teams or not. Let's go for the green.

34:13

They're getting two and a half tonight. What did

34:15

you say? I like

34:17

to sell tics tonight. I like that. I like certainly

34:19

with I think 84% Hambo told me 84% of the

34:21

money is on Dallas. And

34:27

if there's one experience that I've had, it's

34:29

that when 84% of the people think something

34:31

is going to happen. Yeah, 84% of

34:34

the time it doesn't. Yeah, so we're all saying

34:36

we're going to go the other way. We are

34:38

seeing green tonight on ESPN bet. We appreciate the

34:40

hell out of you for your time. Can't wait

34:42

for the US Open this week in green. Let's

34:45

go. Yeah, I mean, it's

34:47

I have so much to say let's do this again

34:49

soon. I have so many things to say about so

34:51

many topics. We didn't even get to including golf and

34:54

Caitlin Clark. I've heard you guys talking about the case.

34:56

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

34:58

no, no, no, no, no, thing.

35:01

We don't talk about that. We can't that's the

35:03

universe has told me in numerous times. I

35:05

am too stupid to be talking about that. So I

35:07

am just going to go but I'm not

35:09

so so I could talk about it. What

35:13

you want? That's the

35:15

way that journalism. We did some good

35:17

journalism too before I said the stupidest thing I've

35:19

said into a microphone. I did some good journalism

35:21

on that greenie and I feel like that that

35:24

message just got lost completely. And if that message would have

35:26

been heard, I think we'd be in a different spot right

35:28

now. But instead I ruined it right at the end with

35:30

some just why to say didn't

35:32

have to say didn't have to say it was

35:35

a did not mean it in a negative fashion

35:37

was in a positive act but didn't have to

35:39

use those scriptures. Could you some she's the league.

35:41

I know people on your show aren't happy about

35:43

it. She is that's just a matter of facts

35:46

and you can look into any stat that you

35:48

want to whenever it comes to interest level from

35:50

people and that's a matter of fact, the US

35:52

women's team those go away and that's you're all

35:55

USA fans. Exactly. But who says

35:57

she's not good enough to be on the team. I mean

35:59

she's put up third. The whole sentiment is she's

36:01

not good enough to be on the team.

36:03

OK, well, there's like seven mislayups from her

36:05

teammates whenever she passed the ball every single

36:07

game. She can be average in a double

36:09

double right now as a rookie on a

36:11

team that has like four wins. So I.

36:15

Granny, I appreciate you. We'll do this again. We'll do

36:17

this again. Yeah, let's do it again. Good to talk

36:19

to you guys. Thank you. Have fun tonight. Granny, she

36:21

should be on the team. Ladies

36:23

and gentlemen, Mike Green. Yeah, I

36:26

agree. I don't like that. That's

36:28

the whole sentiment. Yeah, Mark, we don't pick

36:30

team for marketing. It's like, OK, one of the people on your

36:32

team has only played one game this year. OK,

36:35

11 points for four rebounds. That smells like marketing.

36:37

So I don't know. You tell. So I'm not

36:39

getting I'm not getting I'm not getting I'm not

36:41

doing it. I'm not doing I'm not doing it.

36:43

She should be on a fucking team. She's. Yeah,

36:45

I can't. The worst part is like they know

36:47

they're going to win. It's like at least give

36:49

a young rookie who's going to be the face

36:52

already the face, who is the face of the

36:54

league like a little leeway. No, I don't care

36:56

about that whole thing. I don't just put her

36:58

on the court. Let's see if she can. The

37:00

whole marketing thinks mumbo jumbo, too, because are we

37:02

trying to grow the game or not? Like that's

37:04

the whole thing. Like we're trying to grow the game. People

37:06

want to watch her. That's why she didn't go to the big three,

37:08

right? Because she could have got five million bucks, but she wanted to

37:10

grow the game. Exactly. She knows she wants to grow

37:12

the game. Just like the rest of us who want to grow the

37:14

game, but it wants to start growing again. We don't like how the

37:16

game is being grown. Wait. It's not just that. That's not how the

37:19

game is grown. No, it's obviously because of the rest of us who've

37:21

been here the whole time. Nobody watched. Not saying

37:23

it. Let's move along. The

37:26

players too. I mean, I understand that the higher

37:29

ups make decisions, but gotta

37:31

wonder about the players have to.

37:34

Well, I guess one of the higher ups has a tweet from

37:36

the past. It was like, Oh yeah. Yes. From the season.

37:38

Oh yeah. Not yet. Not.

37:40

Ladies, Jim, the US Open is this weekend. That's right. Tough

37:43

track. It's on top of the

37:45

punters. Tough track. It is a tough track.

37:47

I don't I don't mind

37:49

watching these professional golfers look like me for

37:51

a weekend. And that's what happens

37:54

every single US Open. Joining us now to chitchat about

37:56

is the founder of the No Laying Up podcast. Friend

37:58

of the program, ladies and gentlemen, Solly

38:00

Solomon. Yay! How we doing? Solly,

38:03

what's good, man? Another major

38:05

U.S. Open. Excited to chitchat with you. Thank

38:08

you so much for making some time. Now,

38:10

the U.S. Open, every year, the way I view it is

38:12

like, okay, this is the hardest course of the year, every

38:14

year. There's going to

38:16

be some embarrassing shots that are going to take place. Scores

38:19

are going to be low or scores are going to be

38:21

high. You get it, though. Final score is not going

38:23

to be a big number. Is that how I should view it? Is that how

38:25

every U.S. Open is? And why is

38:27

that the case? It

38:29

is supposed to be the most complete test in golf, right?

38:31

The USGA likes to trot out that phrase of, you know,

38:33

we're not trying to embarrass the top players in the world.

38:36

We're trying to identify them. Now, sometimes

38:38

in their history, they have tended to embarrass players. There's

38:40

a couple of times there's a fine line. You got

38:43

to walk in golf course set up where it can

38:45

get kind of silly, kind of ridiculous. And, you know,

38:47

all the a good shot and a bad shot can

38:49

end up in the same spot. And it really pisses

38:51

the players off. And some

38:53

people on TV like to watch it for that, like

38:55

to watch people get frustrated, like to watch the misery.

38:57

But, you know, the USGA is trying their best to

39:00

tow a very fine line of here is

39:02

how we can really, really, really challenge you

39:04

yet reward good golf shots and also, you

39:06

know, keep it fair. Keep it fair. And

39:08

at the same time, you know, promote some of the things

39:10

that, you know, you guys like to watch on TV. We

39:12

all like to watch with this ball you showed rolling into

39:14

the bunker. It's gaining. It's like a

39:17

snowball. Yeah, it's gaining. Drop that in the middle

39:19

of the green. Drop that in the middle

39:21

of the green. And there was a couple of clips and quotes,

39:23

obviously, from all the golfers talking about U.S. Open and in Piners.

39:27

Naturally, very, very, very hard course, because that

39:29

sounds like that is how everybody's talking right

39:31

now. It is. And it's,

39:33

you know, a Florida luxury that not a lot

39:35

of golf courses we see on major championships are

39:37

afforded. And it's got sand based soil, right, which

39:39

it leads to golf balls are going to roll

39:41

out a lot of bit more, right? There's not

39:43

really rough on this golf course. There's wire grass.

39:46

There's all kinds of like seventy five

39:48

different strands of native vegetation that they

39:50

have off of the fairway. But

39:52

it's going to promote some exciting golf. It's going to

39:54

you know, you see the ball rolling a lot. And

39:56

now, you know, they're showing some of these clips of

39:58

balls getting dropped on the. the greens and rolling all

40:00

the way off. An important identifier with

40:02

Pinehurst is like, there's the actual green, and then there's

40:05

the reality of the green, which is much smaller, right?

40:07

They have massive false fronts, false sides, false backs, whatever

40:09

it may be. So you might see a ball that

40:11

looks like a pretty good shot on TV, but there's

40:13

a huge slope there. And these guys know where the

40:16

slopes are, right? They're not gonna be shocked with, they're

40:18

gonna pretend to be shocked some of the times when

40:20

they see balls roll off the green, but that's the

40:22

whole challenge of Pinehurst. Can you get the ball onto

40:24

the right parts of the greens, hold it from eight

40:27

to 12 feet where you're gonna be putting from a

40:29

whole bunch? And I cannot wait to watch,

40:31

I'm absolutely giddy for this week, it's like one of my favorite

40:33

golf courses in the world. Major, everybody back,

40:35

but there's one particular guy that is

40:38

the odds on favorite. Darius has a

40:40

question for you. Yeah, Scotty Scheffler, just

40:42

an overwhelming favorite right now, for rightfully

40:44

so, he's been dominant. Who's, I guess,

40:46

the next best bet for you in

40:48

your opinion? Xander

40:51

Schoffley is the next one on the

40:53

board, plus 1000 there, and look, we

40:55

said this ahead of Valhalla, he's

40:58

a really, really good player from 200 yards

41:00

and longer, right? And this is a golf course,

41:02

most major championship venues are gonna take, you know,

41:04

PGA Tour can tend to be a little bit

41:06

of a wedge fest, more wedges into greens, and

41:08

major championships are gonna be more long irons, that's a

41:10

good benefit to Xander. At the

41:12

same time, it's a completely different test of controlling

41:14

of the golf ball, and I

41:17

think Xander's putting is really underrated. Not a lot of

41:19

people talk about how good he is as a

41:21

putter, and he's now bagged a major championship, he's

41:23

got the monkey off his back of the pressure

41:25

of not having won a major championship, he's playing

41:27

some incredible golf, Scotty really needs a rival right

41:30

now, I mean, this would not be the worst

41:32

thing in the golf world if Xander

41:34

wins this one, all of a sudden they're tied at

41:36

two, and Scotty kind of has a challenger, Scotty of

41:38

Shepler, clear and far and away, still

41:40

the number one player in the world, but it gets a little

41:42

more interesting if Xander either gives him a good run, or

41:45

manages to win this week. How do we

41:47

feel about Rory just calling off the divorce?

41:51

We still think this is revenge

41:53

Rory golfing, or what do we

41:55

think about the mindset of Rory

41:57

McIlroy heading into an impossible golf

41:59

course? I'm

42:01

not touching the personal side of that one, but

42:03

for you know this golf course on hers Golf

42:09

is in between here, Solly. No way it

42:12

up brother So in between years and right

42:14

behind the chest and guess what's there his

42:16

heart and his brain That is literally what

42:18

it's all about him. I think this is

42:20

good. He's probably happier. We assume he's feels

42:22

real fulfillment He's back. You're saying you're not

42:25

taking any of that into account whenever you

42:27

know I'm saying wait a minute guys. I

42:29

know no way Hey

42:34

listen, we got 275

42:37

yards to the course we got a little bit of

42:39

water and sand in between If

42:41

we put on we got a shot at

42:43

Eagle if we miss we're probably going double

42:45

bogey. We ain't laying up We

42:48

go for the whole every fucking

42:50

time. What are we talking about

42:53

here? Solly that's a big deal listen. It's

42:55

been 37 straight majors since Rory has won

42:57

one of these things and I'm

43:02

saying we've been through just a we have a

43:04

new post up on our website No laying up

43:06

calm Kevin van Valkenburg did a deep dive into

43:08

the last 37 majors on Rory's

43:10

different approaches You know I'm taking you know I'm

43:12

showing up at Augusta late this year I'm showing

43:15

up a week early this year blah blah he

43:17

has changed his approach in his mindset so many

43:19

times It's like oh you know now that he's

43:21

married is the perspective gonna change and is he

43:24

gonna go on a major championship run? He's got

43:26

a new caddy now does that mean he's gonna go

43:28

on a major championship run? He's getting divorced now in

43:30

front of the PGA championship does that mean he's gonna

43:32

go off and win now? He's not getting divorced What

43:34

does that mean? I'm saying I'm not going the roller

43:36

the emotional roller coaster ride of all the different approaches

43:38

and all the different momentum Factors we've seen with Rory

43:40

heading into one of these majors now I

43:43

did not think LACC the course last year Los

43:45

Angeles Country Club was a great fit for Rory

43:47

and even end up finishing runner-up So I'll preface

43:49

that to say I also don't think pinehurst is

43:51

a great fit for him if we're talking about

43:53

a test of being In the most control of

43:55

your golf ball and power being a little

43:57

bit stifled on this course Rory's you know the name of Rory

43:59

Corey's game is to hit it far, hit the wedge is good

44:01

enough, and kind of get on a run and take

44:04

advantage of golf courses with his length. I don't

44:06

see that happening at Pinehurst necessarily. He's going to...

44:08

That doesn't mean he can't win. He's just going

44:10

to have to play incredible golf and be in

44:12

great control of his golf ball that we just

44:14

haven't seen over the last several months to the

44:16

level of which... Again, we're in a different world

44:18

now with what Scotty Scheffler is doing. We're

44:21

not going to do the Tiger comparisons, but again, I said this last time

44:23

you had me on. He's the best

44:25

since Tiger. We've not seen a

44:27

guy come on the scene like this since Tiger. Not

44:29

better than Tiger, not comparing it with that, but we

44:31

just haven't seen it since then. The

44:34

level of play you have to reach to be

44:37

able to beat that guy over 72 holes on

44:39

a difficult golf course is enormous. It's

44:41

massive and I can't sell it

44:43

too much. Shout out inflation. He has already

44:45

earned more money in one season than anybody

44:47

in the history, including Tiger Woods obviously with

44:49

all of his wins. He also went to

44:51

jail during the season. Yeah,

44:53

that's right. I

44:56

think it just means money

44:58

becomes worth less actually, even though

45:00

it's the same, and then

45:03

they just start making up cartoon numbers. That's

45:05

what I think. That number has so many

45:07

commas in it, and then it just keeps

45:10

going. Whatever. It just keeps going. That's inflation.

45:12

I think, yeah. Inevitably, though. He might have

45:14

felt some inflation too. I don't know what

45:16

that means. Nothing to eat.

45:19

Well, that's about to get brought up. I

45:22

think at some point, all those numbers

45:24

just kind of collapse on you. That's why

45:26

I don't know enough about it, but

45:28

I do think that is a thing. We'll

45:30

have somebody else on the show to talk about

45:32

that. But yes, guys, make more money in one

45:35

season in the history of the PGA, and it

45:37

doesn't seem like he's stopping anytime soon. The guy

45:39

is filthy. Even his bad days, he's pissed off.

45:42

He's got that competitive edge too, which

45:44

I appreciate. Once again,

45:46

can't stress enough. Brews the

45:49

cops' knee. Yep. Real bad.

45:53

Real bad in the middle of this

45:55

thing. He brews his car. He told

45:57

his windshield to brews a cop. wrist

45:59

to him. He said, hey windshield, bruise

46:02

that guy's wrist as he comes sprinting

46:04

up and tries to break it with

46:06

his hand. He looked at that news

46:09

reporter on the internet we see from that video

46:11

where he's like, robbers

46:13

are coming up to cars and busting the

46:15

window and then just punching it. He tried

46:17

to do it. Oh my god. Scotty Scheffler

46:19

has capability to do this to you as

46:21

well. He doesn't just make putts. He can

46:24

do this to you. He'll tell his windshield,

46:26

boom, bang on his wrist and then he'll

46:28

drag you across the ground so bad that

46:30

you'll get that. Yeah,

46:32

he's still in the ICU. I believe.

46:34

We're happy he's okay. We're happy he's

46:36

okay. That can go. Rape low the

46:38

patella and then those pants were all

46:40

ripped too. He said, oh my god.

46:42

That's good. Beyond repair. Bruise

46:46

on right knee. Ripped. Abrasion.

46:48

They're all the wrists. Ripped

46:50

on right. He was thrown

46:52

400 yards. I

46:55

didn't see that. Did they say

46:57

that? Yeah. Because that looks like

46:59

you could maybe and nobody would, I'm not

47:01

saying anybody would do this. That looks like

47:03

you could just. Yeah, it's $80 a pair

47:06

of pants. The quality isn't the highest. Right.

47:08

That appears as if, anyways, in the middle

47:10

of this run, he has this happen as

47:12

well. That's why Scotty's the man. That's what

47:14

I'm trying to say. That's personal stuff too.

47:16

And you dove in, Sully. I saw you

47:18

laughing. I saw you reacting. Tone Diggs has

47:20

a question for you, about another superstar in

47:23

the making potentially. Yeah. Vic Hovland went on

47:25

an incredible run to end last year. And

47:27

he did it and gave a lot of

47:29

credit to his coach Joe, Joe, Joe, Mayo,

47:31

sorry. Joe Mayo was not with him at

47:33

the beginning of the season. And Vic, he

47:35

even talked about that. He was going to

47:37

drop out of a tournament here or there.

47:40

Joe Mayo is back with him, I believe

47:42

now for the US open. So what's the

47:44

turnaround there? What's the story there? And do

47:46

we like Vic's chances, Victor Hovland's chances going

47:48

into this weekend? Well,

47:50

so yeah, he picked back up with Joe, may a

47:52

week of the PGA championship and you don't usually see

47:54

this in golf where it's not

47:56

a snap of the fingers thing, you know, usually,

47:58

right? I mean, maybe for some guys. it might

48:00

be. It can be a here's a simple flaw

48:02

you've got going on. Here's a simple switch you

48:05

need to make, whatever. But Victor Hovland had gone

48:07

down a very deep rabbit hole of online instruction

48:09

and a new instructor and another new instructor and

48:11

all of these theories and all this to the

48:13

point where, you know, he even was he was

48:15

very vocal about PGA Championship. He almost pulled out

48:17

of the PGA Championship and then he almost went

48:19

and won it after getting right back

48:21

together with Joe Mayo. I mean, that was shocking development,

48:23

right? I was very surprised to see it click that

48:25

quickly. I'm not surprised to see him find some of

48:28

the similar success that we saw last year. He won

48:30

the FedEx Cup last year, went on a huge tear

48:32

at the end of the year and kind of showed

48:34

the massive ability that he has. But a

48:37

problem for Victor has always been like chipping from

48:39

short grass areas and he's made a ton of

48:41

improvements on that on a PGA Tour level. But

48:43

like this week is going to test it in

48:45

a way that no other golf course can really

48:47

test it, you know, being chipping into the grain

48:49

in Bermuda, which can be really challenging even for

48:51

the best players in the world. Now he has

48:53

some different options around some of these greens. He

48:55

can bump a hybrid, he can chip a medium

48:57

iron, you know, he can putt it from way

48:59

off the green. There's all kinds

49:01

of different opportunities to get close to

49:03

the hole. But that particular part of his game can

49:05

be very, very bad. And even as of a few

49:08

weeks ago, I watched him chip at the Wells Fargo

49:10

and I mean, he was just hitting chips. You don't

49:12

see professional golfers hit, right? I mean, it's not like

49:14

he wasn't chipping them close. He was chipping them very

49:17

not close. And that's going to be on the test

49:19

of this week. I'm very curious to see again, I

49:21

was shocked at the PGA Championship, but again, this is

49:23

a completely, completely different test of golf. He had a

49:25

good week last week until a final round

49:28

Sunday was not very good or weekend wasn't really very

49:30

good. But I'm very curious to

49:32

find out we're going to, we're going to learn a

49:34

lot about this golf course as a first thing tomorrow

49:36

morning too. Cause some of the, some of the things

49:38

guys have been saying about it, they're terrified already of

49:40

it. They're saying the greens are already borderline. It's just

49:42

going to be such an exacting test. Yeah. We're going

49:44

to be bumping hybrids all weekend. Oh yeah. Bumping hybrids.

49:46

That's a quite a little, I'd be bumping

49:49

hybrids all the time. Yeah. That's kind of my move,

49:51

especially a pine earth. So the ball's rolling like this.

49:54

How about that? That's middle of green, right?

49:56

Right there. Yeah. training.

50:00

They always had some of these. They picked

50:02

the spot that's going to be the most

50:04

dramatic video. Some of these, right? I mean,

50:06

again, on camera, it might

50:08

look silly. But like these guys will know exactly,

50:11

John Wood was on Live From earlier today and

50:13

got his caddy book out. And he had colored

50:15

in the areas that were like, here's where the

50:17

actual green is. And it's really interesting. It makes

50:19

you view the greens completely differently. But the punishment,

50:21

the point of all this is the punishment for

50:23

slightly offline shots this week is going to be

50:26

dramatic, right? So I don't know if this is

50:28

going to be the most exciting style of golf.

50:30

It's not going to be the most birdies we'll

50:32

ever see in a championship. But just remember this.

50:34

When you see somebody hit a shot from far

50:36

away that lands on one of these greens and

50:38

stays, the quality of that golf shot is kind

50:40

of hard to emphasize. So

50:42

many. Oh. Oh. Oh.

50:46

So many of those. Now, we

50:48

would be remiss if we didn't ask about

50:51

the massive news that happened in golf seemingly

50:53

yesterday. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, solely. It seems

50:55

like for about the fourth time, we got

50:57

more news on a live PGA merger. I

50:59

think most of us didn't even bother reading

51:01

it because none of this shit means anything,

51:04

really. They've brought it up, and then nothing

51:06

happens. Can you kind of concisely break down

51:08

what you know? Are we

51:10

any closer to an actual merger? Or is

51:12

this more just mumbo jumbo that we can

51:14

parse through? And if they were to merge,

51:17

what the hell is that mean? Yeah. I

51:19

think the word merge is not one I

51:21

would use. And again, a lot of us are in the

51:23

dark. A lot of players are in the dark. We don't

51:25

know what this means. And while there might be a

51:29

phrase I saw out there was there was a draft

51:31

agreement of some kind yesterday, or

51:33

some kind of agreement was made, I

51:37

see that as an investment of PIF

51:39

and the Saudis into the tour or

51:42

PGA Tour enterprises in some way. I

51:45

would be very surprised if we found out, and

51:47

some of Alan Shipnick also reported that

51:49

this is likely to be announced next Tuesday. I'd

51:51

be very surprised if what I'm very curious to find out

51:53

is in the announcement next Tuesday, which is what is the

51:56

world of professional golf going to look like? I mean, this

51:58

might be a whole bunch of finding out. Mumbo Jumbo and

52:00

you know, we're really excited about this investment and all these

52:02

things we can do with it blah blah blah All I

52:04

care about are you getting the best golfers back on the

52:07

course to play together more frequently, right? Are you guys gonna

52:09

keep warring against each other and

52:11

keep stealing players and whatnot and all the crap that

52:13

golf fans are totally sick of That

52:15

seems to be just so secondary and all this and

52:17

I don't know how that's not the biggest priority Maybe

52:19

it is they just there's been so scant on any

52:22

details every press release that comes out is just like

52:24

you said Mumbo Jumbo and it doesn't really mean anything

52:26

and so Everyone

52:29

that follows us on a day-to-day basis is still

52:31

like waiting for the answer like hey Tell us

52:33

what pro golf tournaments are gonna look like in

52:35

the future and you've got our attention There's so

52:37

much Mumbo Jumbo a lot of it too much

52:39

Mumbo Jumbo There's only one place that you need

52:41

Jumbo and that's down in the world. That's

52:43

true There's

52:46

all you need with Jumbo Downer and

52:48

everywhere else we need more details We'll never

52:50

get it and I assume the world will

52:52

continue to spin in the golf world where

52:55

everybody will be playing at every major Which

52:57

is why we can't wait to watch them

52:59

live PGA taking on pinehurst in USGA rules

53:01

at the US Open We can't thank you

53:03

enough. Are you doing any watch the longs

53:05

or how can we follow with you this

53:07

weekend? We'll be doing live

53:09

shows after every round on our YouTube channel

53:12

Shout out to the original YouTube content creators

53:14

podcasters in you guys as well But yeah

53:16

after every round of play we go live

53:18

on YouTube and Twitter and all that and

53:20

podcast feed and all that So now we're

53:22

now did YouTube acknowledge you as like a

53:24

YouTube Creator have they

53:26

ever have they done that for you guys? I

53:29

mean they gave us the you know, whatever the

53:31

plaque for whatever subscribers Get

53:35

your accolades they don't understand talk shows that I think

53:37

we got to go You

53:40

know a little bit more of that I think zoom out

53:42

stuff we'd be able to figure it out Oh, well, you

53:44

guys keep crushing. We can't thank you enough. Ladies and gentlemen,

53:47

Chris Solomon I Genuine

53:55

I asked the question numerous times and then you started

53:57

doing those zoom in zoom out and they moved you

53:59

right up Yeah, I started getting that. They don't

54:01

have a sports thing on their side.

54:03

It's not one of their main, yeah, I don't think

54:05

they love sports right now. I got massive, I think

54:08

they're getting into it with NFL, but I have massive

54:10

respect for the YouTubers, like just hustlers, entrepreneurs, and everything

54:12

like that. But like we, you know,

54:15

literally built this thing through YouTube, and

54:18

YouTube started making deals with like the NFL, and

54:20

like we weren't even getting, I

54:22

was like, why, you know, we are like, we're

54:25

like an NFL show, you know, and they're like, oh yeah, I

54:27

remember that for next time. YouTube was like, get the fuck

54:30

out of here. You guys stay zoomed in, zoom

54:32

out? Very weird, yeah. I was very

54:34

confused by it all. I genuinely had no

54:36

idea. I love YouTube though. It's a place

54:38

where if you have a work ethic, some

54:41

talent, now, granted, we don't have a lot of it, but some talent

54:44

and a mindset and a vision, you can accomplish

54:46

it there. Now, it's gonna take a lot. Everybody

54:49

thinks it's just an overnight thing. Nobody's had success

54:51

on YouTube overnight. Everybody that has success on YouTube

54:53

has been there for a long time doing a

54:55

lot of shit. So I think that kind of

54:57

gets misconstrued in the whole influencer game. Like, oh,

54:59

you make money on YouTube. It's like, yeah,

55:02

that person works their ass off. Like that,

55:04

because that's the only way you can, because

55:06

then the algorithm learns and trushes you and

55:08

knows that you exist and they keep moving.

55:10

But YouTube is a place, we appreciate it.

55:12

They had no appreciation for us. No, not

55:14

until you started eating really hot stuff or

55:16

tried eating a bunch of Big Macs and

55:18

stuff like that, YouTube's like, now this is

55:20

our shit. Love that. He's gotta get it.

55:22

Like Mr. B's talking about it. It's crazy

55:24

how like that process they went through. Mr.

55:26

B studied YouTube whenever he was a teenager.

55:29

So how do you work on it? How's it, how to move?

55:32

And now he's gonna be, he might be a billionaire already. It's

55:34

fantastic. And Google's just taking 50% of that. Yep.

55:38

That's a good little business plan. Not bad. Google

55:40

gets it. Yeah. That AI over there. AI's about

55:42

to take it all. AI's in my

55:45

phone now, I heard. Don't like it. Yeah,

55:47

for now. For now. Elon's not letting

55:49

that happen. No, he's not. I

55:51

saw something Elon was talking

55:54

about. Oh yeah, that Amazon tribe we reported

55:56

about. Sure. Bopping their meat as soon

55:58

as they got internet. Yeah. But

56:01

you could see, but it would be true.

56:03

I think that's why the journalists who post

56:05

that were like, yeah, that makes sense. As

56:07

soon as they get the internet, obviously they

56:09

just want to beat the hell out of

56:11

themselves. If they're on X, they certainly are.

56:13

Totally. Especially not likes or not. No more

56:15

likes. Look out. Yeah, so what's that

56:17

all about? What does that mean? Because I saw a

56:20

tweet that said, you will no longer be able to

56:22

see people's likes. But then the tweet right

56:24

below that, I hit it and then

56:26

I went right through the likes and it just showed

56:28

me every hit. There was 300 people that liked them.

56:30

Can't be biting on this one, boys. Don't buy it.

56:32

Judgment Day 2025. Just real

56:34

quick, likes don't matter anyways. So if you're putting

56:36

posts up and it's not getting a lot of

56:38

likes, who cares? So we'll get to Wombo. It's

56:40

all about the reposts that you need, for sure.

56:43

They will show up. Inside Joe, great. My bad.

56:45

My bad. That's all me. Yeah.

56:49

Hand up. Hand up. There's a lot of those out there, I

56:51

think. Not just friends of the program. But yeah, Elon's making

56:53

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J Butler live in a 30 week today.

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It's supposed to be 95 degrees today. Not

1:00:00

in here. Well, I

1:00:02

was worried our air conditioning wasn't working. It was good.

1:00:04

Oh, it's working. Oh, it works. Good

1:00:06

to work. Well, I do feel like they gave

1:00:09

him a clear and like, woke it back up.

1:00:11

Oh yeah. He's not chilling here. Oh yeah. Feels

1:00:13

good. Boys, let's get ready for this. The rest of

1:00:16

the summer. This is going to be hot. Turn this

1:00:18

place into a nice box. You know, shout out to

1:00:20

Ed O'Neill. Yep. A little giants

1:00:22

and everything. Joining us live from an attic in

1:00:24

Ohio is the man as a college football national

1:00:26

champion, a NFL champion,

1:00:29

a Ryder Cup winner and

1:00:31

ex president of the state of

1:00:33

Ohio. AJ Haw. Yeah. Oh,

1:00:35

AJ, let's get right into it. Okay.

1:00:39

Where's Aaron Rodgers? Where

1:00:41

is he, man? Has anyone tracked him down? I mean,

1:00:43

that's the thing. I figured the internet always finds these

1:00:45

things out. They always figured out. Well, I saw Florio

1:00:47

who may or may not have taken some shots at

1:00:50

me, I guess. TJ Lang texted me last night and

1:00:52

gave me, you don't want Florio saying that. What he

1:00:54

said. It's like, TJ, everybody on earth is saying at

1:00:57

this point. What happened? I still

1:00:59

don't know. It might've been TJ just trying

1:01:01

to start a little. Sure. Yeah.

1:01:04

Which I appreciate, which I do appreciate. Anytime

1:01:06

I get a text from TJ, I get

1:01:08

pumped up about it. But Florio searched June

1:01:10

11th, ayahuasca retreats

1:01:12

could be in Peru or Columbia

1:01:15

is what Florio said. Genuinely, I think

1:01:17

the only person who's going to have

1:01:19

the answer is you. So if you're

1:01:21

acting as if you don't know, maybe

1:01:23

nobody actually knows, AJ. I

1:01:25

mean, you're right. I don't know whoever he is with. Like

1:01:27

how many people is he with? I don't know who

1:01:29

he is with. There it is. You heard it. I

1:01:32

doubt he's by himself. I doubt he's, is he

1:01:34

soloed? Traveling the world. I don't know. Maybe.

1:01:37

You, ooh. Like it even matter.

1:01:39

Like, okay. So when he comes back, whenever

1:01:42

he does speak, is

1:01:44

he going to tell people where he went? Do you think he

1:01:46

doesn't have to? I doubt it. And I don't know if you

1:01:48

saw us talking to Greeny. Greeny was like, I

1:01:50

feel a certain way about the way

1:01:53

Salta answered this question. Do

1:01:55

you feel a certain way about the

1:01:57

way Salta, we can assume Aaron feels.

1:02:00

And I'm like, yes, Trini, that is. Which

1:02:02

is why we all think it's just so

1:02:04

stupid. Like, you know, in New York,

1:02:06

how it's gonna go. You know exactly the type of

1:02:08

human that Aaron is. Aaron's been there for 100% of

1:02:10

your shit. It's volunteer, it's like,

1:02:13

I still one day removed from this, think it

1:02:15

was a very stupid way to handle it. But

1:02:17

I'm not a head coach of an NFL team.

1:02:19

I'm not a one who's maybe not trying to

1:02:21

set a precedent for future people. We don't know

1:02:23

what coach Shala, why he chose to do it

1:02:25

this way. But that was on purpose. And we

1:02:27

think it was stupid is how I feel. AJ

1:02:29

one day removed from it all. Do you have

1:02:31

any thoughts on it? And do you think this

1:02:33

makes Aaron better at football? Or

1:02:35

do you think he uses this as like

1:02:37

spike motivation, which we've certainly. Or did the

1:02:40

own coaching staff though, you're just saying he

1:02:42

used that spike motivation because of his own

1:02:44

staff and how his head coach handled it.

1:02:46

So I guess coaching staff, it would be

1:02:49

first, but front office draft Jordan Love, you

1:02:51

know, and that he went on

1:02:53

to win two MVPs back to back after that

1:02:55

takes place. They get to the NFC championship again.

1:02:57

It's like, will this be something he is able

1:03:00

to flip into motivation against his own

1:03:02

coach? I mean, I understand what

1:03:04

you're saying. The, the spite motivation when

1:03:06

it comes to like the front office. Yeah, I

1:03:08

think that's something that can, you can

1:03:10

use in kind of a healthy way for a period

1:03:13

of time. But if you're spiking your chip on your

1:03:15

shoulder is towards your head coach, I don't think that's

1:03:17

a great combination. I think that eventually does not work.

1:03:19

Yeah, I don't think so either. Personally,

1:03:21

just try and find some positives here because you

1:03:23

know, there is a chance. And he said he

1:03:25

hasn't talked to Aaron since it's like

1:03:27

every day it gets worse. Yeah. Oh yeah. Every day

1:03:30

it gets worse. And that's

1:03:32

off season football, baby. I guess that's how it

1:03:34

is. That's a conversation piece. Green Bay Packer owner,

1:03:37

Taj Schmitt. Well, I was gonna, like you said,

1:03:39

like, you know, guys that get excused for, you

1:03:41

know, showing up a hundred percent of the time,

1:03:43

like it just got reported yesterday, the Packers, like

1:03:46

LaFleur basically Jair Alexander and like Xavier McKinney and a

1:03:48

couple other guys, he was like, Hey, you guys are

1:03:50

good. You were here a hundred percent of the time.

1:03:52

Like, don't worry about it. We, you know, we've seen

1:03:55

all we need to see. Enjoy the next couple of

1:03:57

days off. Like LaFleur did that on purpose. That's

1:04:00

what I thought when I saw it. That was certainly

1:04:02

a hard boy. It's perfect. The fact that the Green

1:04:04

Bay Packers are the other team that's like, you know

1:04:06

what? We had a couple of vets. They haven't been

1:04:08

around 20 years or won four MVPs or anything like

1:04:10

that. Not playing quarterback. He's always with

1:04:12

Salah though. He and Salah are super tight. Weren't

1:04:14

they in each other's wedding? True. Oh,

1:04:16

so of course he's at it. They trolling each other. I'm gonna

1:04:19

stick it to him. I'm gonna stick it to him so good.

1:04:22

Oh man. I hope so. That's

1:04:25

awesome that it was the Packers. Yeah,

1:04:27

fantastic. Well, no, great. It's not abnormal

1:04:29

though. I think some people who

1:04:31

hate Aaron Rodgers are acting like this is abnormal.

1:04:34

People missing mandatory minicamp, which is the last OTA

1:04:36

of all of the scheduled OTAs. The only reason

1:04:38

why one is considered mandatory and they had to

1:04:40

make it that way so that they could find

1:04:43

people that miss all of offseason

1:04:45

workout. You have to at least show your face one time

1:04:47

you're a professional athlete. You're gonna do it at the mandatory

1:04:49

minicamp. So for him to show up at 100% of the

1:04:51

voluntary shit, he's

1:04:54

not ready to do that again. No. Why would he? There's

1:04:57

no. Not a chance. No chance of that

1:04:59

happening again. Which is a bummer. Yeah.

1:05:03

He's doing his no look passes. He's having fun. He's celebrating

1:05:05

with the boys. He's doing it all. I think he feels

1:05:07

as if the, and once again, you can stop me if

1:05:09

I'm wrong here. Cause you know, you

1:05:11

know the answer to all these things, which we all

1:05:13

know. We know that you

1:05:16

know. And the people watching know

1:05:18

that I know that you know. So

1:05:20

they know that whenever I say stuff that you

1:05:22

know, we're all looking for you to confirm whether

1:05:24

or not what we know is right. Bingo. Right?

1:05:28

That is correct. Yes. I

1:05:30

don't know if I follow. I don't know if I follow it on.

1:05:32

You do know. Yeah. See, this is not one of those things. AJ.

1:05:35

Yeah. You're just, uh, answer a question with a question.

1:05:37

I mean, okay. So you think if, if for some

1:05:40

reason they're talking about Aaron to start off the

1:05:42

news day as, as we said, greenie is the

1:05:44

rudder for the sports media world. Absolutely. He says

1:05:46

he says he puts us in the direction that

1:05:48

we all go and we all follow greenie. And

1:05:51

what he decides is important, right? You think I'm

1:05:53

just sending texts every time greenie pops Aaron's name

1:05:55

up. You tell me. Well,

1:05:57

you probably don't want to interrupt. What's the deal here, bud?

1:06:00

What's the deal here? What do you think, Greeny? Is

1:06:02

this a big deal? They called him Aaron Dodgers this

1:06:04

morning. They called him Aaron Dodgers on the back of

1:06:06

a... His good name. And they

1:06:08

even, I think they wiped out his

1:06:10

face. That was cool. Wiped out his

1:06:13

face. They did all, he was pretty creative. It was good. I

1:06:15

would like to see how Aaron, yep, there it is. Oh

1:06:17

boy. Call him Aaron Dodgers, right there. And

1:06:19

the second best cover of a newspaper today.

1:06:22

What was the first one? Boston

1:06:24

Herald. What happened up

1:06:26

there? There's a case going on in

1:06:28

the cover that they use for it is

1:06:30

pretty, pretty nuts. What are you talking about?

1:06:33

There's a situation with a, is very

1:06:35

serious situation with a police officer who

1:06:37

passed away, unfortunately. And the trial's going

1:06:39

on and they're having all the cops

1:06:41

read their text messages and stuff that

1:06:43

are involved in the case. So the

1:06:45

cover of the actual newspaper, the way

1:06:48

they used it to promote the

1:06:50

entire thing or not promote, but to tell the

1:06:52

story of it is very... It

1:06:55

grabs you. It reaches down and grabs you. But at

1:06:57

the top of it, right there, boom, unicorn down. NBA

1:07:00

Finals game three, 10 nights, see you

1:07:02

there. That's such news, isn't it? Crazy.

1:07:04

Watching the local news and every time

1:07:06

you go to, it's like, okay, so

1:07:08

murder, murder, murder, fundraiser. Yeah.

1:07:11

Ooh. That's happening. You happen to see

1:07:14

that. Okay, good. Carjacking, murder, murder,

1:07:16

we gotta get to a break. We'll be back

1:07:18

on the other side. Weather. Yep,

1:07:20

sure. Weather. Weather.

1:07:23

Murder, murder, murder, weather,

1:07:26

we'll be back on the other side. And that's kind of

1:07:28

what the newspaper is in this

1:07:30

particular case. Yeah, bingo. And obviously with the Celtics

1:07:32

being in the finals, they're gonna chitchat about that,

1:07:34

that has to have some home on top of

1:07:36

it. But yes, I did see the Boston Herald

1:07:39

front cover and some of those

1:07:41

text messages, I don't think a lot of those

1:07:43

cops ever thought anybody else is gonna have to

1:07:45

hear. Let alone them read aloud from the stand,

1:07:47

which is currently taking place. Oh yeah, a lot

1:07:49

of them are being read aloud as well. So

1:07:52

a little play on Uncle Sam, I want you

1:07:54

for service on the cover of that as well.

1:07:56

Yeah, I mean, they really went after... I

1:07:58

don't know. Aaron did invite you guys

1:08:00

to dinner with the Dalai Lama. Oh,

1:08:03

that's a good guess. Is that what your guess is? Yeah. He's

1:08:06

already done that though, hasn't he? No,

1:08:08

that was a couple of monks, I believe. AJ.

1:08:11

No, it was Dalai Lama, but it was before

1:08:13

the Dalai Lama was caressing that

1:08:15

kid's face. Remember they had that weird thing, the Dalai

1:08:17

Lama did, or kiss that kid? Yeah,

1:08:19

that was crazy, where he grabbed him. I don't

1:08:21

think it's the Pope. It was the Dalai Lama.

1:08:23

I think the Pope needs to potentially think about

1:08:26

becoming like a mute. Yeah. The

1:08:28

Pope? Yeah. I

1:08:31

think so. The Pope's got to speak. Well, he

1:08:33

has a lot to speak. I don't think he

1:08:35

does, he does. And he's such

1:08:37

a rudder, just like Grady does, and that's

1:08:39

it. Maybe not anymore. Yeah, I don't know.

1:08:41

He's saying a lot. He is. Him and

1:08:43

Salah both been putting their foot in their

1:08:45

mouth. That's important. I called an Italian friend

1:08:48

of mine and asked to translate, you know,

1:08:50

because anytime the Pope speaks, I get like

1:08:52

a full, you know, transcript of it. He's

1:08:55

speaking Italian, so I don't fully understand. I

1:08:57

asked a couple of my Italian friends to translate. They go,

1:08:59

well, you shouldn't have said that. What are you talking about?

1:09:01

He didn't say that. Oh, yeah.

1:09:03

A couple times. Yes, he did. Not just once.

1:09:06

He did. Anyways, let's get back to where Aaron

1:09:08

Rodgers is. Maybe he's with the Pope. Maybe he

1:09:10

is with the Dalai Lama, whatever the licking. I

1:09:13

think. Yeah, the licking. Lick the face. Maybe

1:09:15

he's doing those things. He has heard about

1:09:17

how Coach Salah has dealt with this, you

1:09:19

think. Did he know that it was going

1:09:22

to be as publicly unexcused, you think, with

1:09:24

the way he and what he still went, you think, if it

1:09:26

was going to get handled this way, these are

1:09:29

all your opinions, obviously not Aaron's. Those

1:09:31

are all good questions. I mean, yeah,

1:09:33

I'm sure whatever he is doing, he would have he

1:09:36

he knew like what possible backlash would come from

1:09:38

it or people would ask questions why he's not

1:09:40

a mandatory thing. So, yeah, he thinks through everything.

1:09:42

He's very calculated in what he does. But also,

1:09:44

I think he doesn't worry about a lot of

1:09:46

it too, because he kind of knows the situation

1:09:48

he is in. And he knows like whatever

1:09:50

happens. Yeah, like it's going to be something. So I don't

1:09:52

think it like alters his decision

1:09:55

making and what he does. Yeah, I

1:09:58

don't think just I don't think. I think

1:10:00

he knew that this was gonna be handled

1:10:02

this way. No way. I don't know. Once

1:10:04

again, this is not me with information from

1:10:06

the source. Says. This

1:10:09

is me just saying like, there's no way that he

1:10:11

expected his head coach to throw him under a bus.

1:10:13

Yeah. Whatever he was gonna miss, he really

1:10:15

can't, but he had to have thought that there was gonna be

1:10:17

a little give and take. You would assume that that was the

1:10:19

case. Yeah, I mean, I would assume when they had this conversation

1:10:21

and he let Salah know that he wasn't gonna be there, Salah

1:10:23

was probably like, yeah, don't worry about it. All

1:10:26

good. All good to worry about. Thanks for coming in

1:10:28

and letting me know, as opposed to like, we don't

1:10:30

wanna turn this into a big media thing, so I appreciate that.

1:10:32

And then. Then Aaron goes

1:10:34

into his darkness retreat. Yep. And

1:10:37

then he comes out of it and he goes, Bob,

1:10:39

you didn't do anything. What the hell? What are you

1:10:41

doing? Bob, this is not hell, which is what happened

1:10:43

at the Packers. Yeah, exactly. And we're only a year

1:10:46

removed from that. It's not like that having early in

1:10:48

his career with the Packers. Like he legitimately got to

1:10:50

the Jets a year ago, basically. Is he on a

1:10:52

darkness retreat, AJ? Didn't he say he's not doing that

1:10:54

ever again? Yeah, he said he was good, right?

1:10:56

He said, yeah, I got a lot out of it. It

1:10:58

was great, but I don't need to do that again anytime

1:11:01

soon. What a wild thing. Cause anytime you're without your phone

1:11:03

or something, you always are worried that something's gonna happen and

1:11:05

you're not gonna be able to find out. Like back in

1:11:07

the day, so many terrible things happened and people didn't know

1:11:10

until like four days later cause just communication wasn't possible. But

1:11:12

now when you have your phone on, you assume that you

1:11:14

could be able to keep up with everything you could take

1:11:16

place. When you're without your phone, that is the fear. Like

1:11:18

I'm gonna miss him, I'm gonna miss him, I'm gonna miss

1:11:20

him. He goes into that hole. What's

1:11:22

he miss? Well, the Green Bay Packers have a

1:11:24

whole new strategy going into next year. And this is

1:11:27

how this, he gets out of there, I assume his

1:11:29

phone, he starts going, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

1:11:31

What the fuck happened? I didn't know that. That's why

1:11:33

I would assume I wouldn't go back into a hole

1:11:35

either for four days if that's what happened last time.

1:11:38

Well, and that's what's crazy is how similar it is.

1:11:40

It's like, if that was the conversation with Salah, like,

1:11:42

hey, don't worry about it. It's the exact same thing.

1:11:44

Like told one thing and then a couple of days

1:11:46

removed. Why did this guy trust anybody? Yeah,

1:11:49

exactly. Why does he act like

1:11:51

this? Why? Did any local

1:11:53

media ask him? Do you believe, do you think any media

1:11:55

members asked him during his time when he spoke throughout OTAs,

1:11:57

like, hey, are you going to be at minicamp? maybe

1:12:00

regretting that now. Or if you could have asked him, he

1:12:02

probably would have said like his plans maybe. Oh, we

1:12:04

could have learned where the hell he is. AJ, one

1:12:07

last opportunity before we move through a legend here

1:12:09

in the basketball world. Where is

1:12:11

Aaron Rodgers, AJ? I

1:12:13

mean, take a globe, spin it, put your finger down. He

1:12:15

could be there. We don't know. All

1:12:17

right. You do though, like that's what's so irritating. You're

1:12:20

saying we don't know because you're implying that I don't,

1:12:22

which you're adding, you're lumping me. Okay, I don't, I

1:12:24

do not know. But if for some reason I didn't

1:12:26

know, wouldn't it be like a security risk if I

1:12:28

told people? Probably not. That's really nice

1:12:30

of you. Yeah, don't be dropping his pin on this show.

1:12:33

That is a good address out there.

1:12:36

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, from

1:12:38

the world of the NBA, a guy

1:12:40

who played basketball with LeBron James in

1:12:42

high school, then obviously has covered him

1:12:44

as a distinguished, a distinguished journalist, an

1:12:47

absolute legend friend of the program. Ladies

1:12:49

and gentlemen, Brian Windho. Yeah, Windho.

1:12:51

Yeah. How you doing, Windho? I'm

1:12:54

okay, guys. How are you? You're okay.

1:12:57

What's wrong? Well, you know, Jerry West passed

1:12:59

away today, you know? It's, you know, not a

1:13:01

fun day. Okay, got you. That is 100% on

1:13:03

us. I should have understood

1:13:05

that in the NBA world, this is

1:13:07

obviously a massive loss. He

1:13:09

went to West Virginia, obviously WVU legend.

1:13:11

He has a statue at WVU outside

1:13:14

of the Coliseum. I assume there's many

1:13:16

others. Went to college with Johnny West,

1:13:18

one of his kids. We watched his

1:13:20

highlights this morning. Absolute dog. Eight

1:13:22

championships as an executive. One as

1:13:24

a player, obviously two-time All-American in West

1:13:27

Virginia. One, the MVP of the

1:13:29

NCAA tournament in a losing effort against

1:13:31

Cowan. Absolute superstar in the basketball community.

1:13:33

How much was he still doing, his

1:13:35

impact, and what were his roles here

1:13:37

as he got a little bit older

1:13:39

in the NBA, Windho? Man,

1:13:41

he was a certified badass.

1:13:43

Okay. Just, I mean, into

1:13:46

his 80s, had a presence about

1:13:48

him. You know, I got a chance

1:13:50

to talk to him on, you know, a handful of

1:13:52

occasions over the years. I mean,

1:13:55

what a powerful person. And

1:13:57

he was still involved.

1:14:00

with the Clippers. I mean, he

1:14:02

had been ill for the last year or so.

1:14:04

I don't know all the details. But

1:14:06

really, up until that, he was actively involved in

1:14:09

what the Clippers were doing. Even probably still, they

1:14:11

were consulting him on stuff. This

1:14:13

is a guy who was a

1:14:15

factor in building the dynasty Golden State

1:14:17

Warriors, like sort of famously threatened to

1:14:19

resign his position. He was an advisor,

1:14:22

but he had some sort of role

1:14:24

like chairman on the board or something like

1:14:26

that, or board member or something. But he basically was like,

1:14:28

I'm going to quit this job if

1:14:30

you trade Clay Thompson for Kevin Love. They were

1:14:32

seriously considering doing that. They had traded away Monte

1:14:35

Ellis to get Bogut, and they

1:14:37

thought they'd get Kevin Love and get those guys as sort of

1:14:39

the twin towers. And he was like, you better not trade

1:14:42

Clay Thompson. And he was actually the guy who, when

1:14:45

the Clippers were looking at draft, I think it was in 18,

1:14:47

17 or 18, when

1:14:50

Clippers were looking at draft picks, he identified

1:14:52

Shay Gildes Alexander. He was like, we

1:14:55

got to get this guy. He

1:14:57

like helped engineer hiding Gildes Alexander

1:14:59

in the draft process. Like he started shutting down

1:15:02

workouts and they gave him one of those wink,

1:15:04

wink promises. So I think the Clippers have like

1:15:06

the 13th or 12th or 13th pick and they

1:15:08

want him to slide to him. And

1:15:10

look, there was other people involved. I don't want to make

1:15:12

it sound like he was the only guy, but like he

1:15:14

was the guy who like started to engineer that kind

1:15:17

of like they did with Kobe. Like he sort

1:15:19

of engineered trying to get Kobe in the 90s,

1:15:22

making a deal with Charlotte to draft Kobe, I think with

1:15:24

again, like the 12th or 13th pick. So

1:15:27

obviously he's known for being this amazing player.

1:15:29

Mr. Clutch went to, went

1:15:31

to nine straight, or not nine straight, went to

1:15:33

nine finals before he won one. And that was

1:15:36

what some of our conversations were about. Back

1:15:39

in 2000, I think it was 2014 or something, LeBron

1:15:43

mentioned one day that when he was at

1:15:45

his lowest moment in 2011, that he

1:15:47

called Jerry West. 2011

1:15:51

is when he lost to the Mavericks. He had that

1:15:53

really poor by his standards finals. And he was like

1:15:55

really upset. And so he called Jerry West because he

1:15:57

knew Jerry West had done a lot of losing. And

1:16:00

I called to talk to Jerry about it, and I

1:16:02

talked to Jerry about it a couple of times over

1:16:04

the years actually. And the thing

1:16:06

about Jerry West is, this is a

1:16:09

guy, he has nine championship

1:16:11

rings. He won one as a player, he

1:16:13

won six with the

1:16:15

Lakers as an executive, and

1:16:18

he won two more with the Warriors. So

1:16:20

he's got nine rings. He's got a gold

1:16:22

medal. He was on the 1960 US

1:16:24

Olympic team. So he's got a gold medal.

1:16:26

He was given the Presidential Medal of Freedom,

1:16:29

one of the highest honors you can get in the country. He's

1:16:32

in the, this summer, he's actually being inducted

1:16:34

to the Naismith Hall of Fame in

1:16:37

the third different wing as a player, as

1:16:41

an executive, and he was going in as a contributor

1:16:43

this year. All of those attributes

1:16:45

are on his resume. And we have to go on and

1:16:48

on and on. 10 time

1:16:50

all NBA, all time

1:16:52

leading score in the finals, like I could

1:16:54

go on and on. Out

1:16:56

of all that, the thing that when

1:16:58

you talk to Jerry West that drove him was

1:17:01

all the losses that he had. And,

1:17:03

you know, he lost, I think he lost three

1:17:05

game sevens in the finals twice by like two

1:17:07

points, one or two points, you

1:17:10

know, and that's what he talked to LeBron about back in

1:17:12

2011, which was picking yourself up

1:17:14

after you lose. And,

1:17:17

you know, Pat, he had this way of

1:17:19

talking, where he would say the

1:17:21

word okay at the end of sentences, but

1:17:24

it wasn't, he'd be like, look,

1:17:26

I lost a lot, okay? And people made

1:17:28

fun of me a lot, okay? And

1:17:31

people are gonna, you know, talk bad about you,

1:17:33

okay? But that doesn't mean you stink, okay? And

1:17:35

he would sort of say it that way. It's

1:17:37

kind of like an old timey guy would say,

1:17:39

see, see, you know, but it was like

1:17:41

this sort of like halting way of speaking. And

1:17:43

like, he just would set his jaw and he would

1:17:45

lock his eyes. And he was just a, you know,

1:17:47

my first thing I ever did, and I know I'm

1:17:49

rambling here, I'm sorry. Now we're lucky for this. We're

1:17:51

all learning a lot right now, Wendy. My

1:17:54

first night that I

1:17:56

ever really did anything covering the NBA was at the

1:17:58

2003 draft. lottery. I

1:18:00

went there because I was covering

1:18:02

the Cavs and they had a

1:18:04

chance to win the FAF lottery

1:18:07

to get LeBron. There was a list of

1:18:09

owners and general managers there. Well, Jerry

1:18:12

West was there representing the Memphis Grizzlies. He

1:18:14

was a GM of the Grizzlies at the time. I

1:18:16

was starstruck. The only

1:18:18

person in the room I was starstruck by was Jerry

1:18:20

West. And the way that came down

1:18:24

was that there were two picks at the

1:18:26

end. The Grizzlies were in it, and

1:18:29

the Cavs were in it. They were the last two on

1:18:31

the board. And the way the Grizzlies situation was set up,

1:18:33

if they got the number one pick, they'd get

1:18:36

LeBron James and keep it. If

1:18:38

they got two pick two through 14, they

1:18:40

had to give the pick up to Detroit. So

1:18:43

they were in that moment looking at getting

1:18:45

LeBron James or nothing out of that draft. Because

1:18:47

even if you didn't win the lottery, you know,

1:18:49

you were still think we can get Carmelo Anthony,

1:18:51

we get Dwayne Wade, we get Chris Bosch was

1:18:55

all or nothing. He gets out of the final two

1:18:57

the Cavs win the lottery. He was so angry.

1:19:00

And again, this is a gift at

1:19:02

that point. By the way, I could

1:19:05

give you 30 guesses as to why the Grizzlies

1:19:07

didn't have that pick. I give you 100 guesses.

1:19:09

It was because of a trade like five years

1:19:11

earlier for Otis Thorpe, a trade

1:19:13

he didn't make. And he was like,

1:19:16

I cannot believe we did not have this

1:19:18

pick protected. He was so angry. That was,

1:19:20

you know, like, everybody, you know, he was

1:19:22

even angry at that show that that HBO

1:19:24

show winning time because it showed what happened

1:19:26

when he got angry. But he

1:19:28

was sort of a legendary angry guy. And he

1:19:30

was so angry that night. And I was starstruck

1:19:32

by him. But look,

1:19:34

1000 people in the NBA

1:19:36

knowing better than me, I'm not going to sit here and try to

1:19:39

say that I you know, had many meals with them, but I talked

1:19:41

to him enough. But I got a measure of

1:19:43

that man. And he was a

1:19:45

badass. And the NBA lost an icon, literally an

1:19:47

icon. The freaking logo is, you know, the actual

1:19:50

icon itself is Jerry West. Yeah, West Virginia boy.

1:19:52

And on that note, Deeba has a question. Yeah,

1:19:54

I want to ask you about the absolute biggest

1:19:56

leagues in the world, you know, NFL, NHL, all

1:20:00

All these other ones, it's a logo, it's a shield,

1:20:02

it's something, but Jerry West actually being a man, being

1:20:04

that logo, how did that come about? Do you know

1:20:06

how that actually happened? Yes,

1:20:08

somebody picked, actually

1:20:12

people went back and found the actual moment.

1:20:15

It's on, you know, they have it,

1:20:17

and somebody picked the silhouette and

1:20:19

the NBA office. You know, the

1:20:21

NBA never formally admitted that it was

1:20:23

him. They sort of did it

1:20:25

with a wink. Even Adam Silver a

1:20:28

few years ago, he was like, looks

1:20:30

a lot like Jerry West because, you know,

1:20:32

they would have in potentially had owed him

1:20:34

some sort of licensing. They never did.

1:20:36

He was well taken care of throughout

1:20:38

his life, but yeah, I

1:20:40

don't know how it got picked, but it got picked a

1:20:43

long time ago. And I think there were opportunities at times

1:20:45

where they could have changed the logo, but David

1:20:48

Stern loved it, wanted to keep it. And now

1:20:50

it's iconic, you know, the

1:20:52

red, blue and white, you

1:20:54

know, all over the world, you see what that is,

1:20:56

you know what it is. And that's Jerry West. I

1:20:58

remember people got pissed off about it though, because like,

1:21:01

well, since Michael Jordan can't remember, it was LeBron, I

1:21:03

think. Oh yeah. Since Jordan can't be

1:21:05

the logo, we can stop wearing his number or whatever.

1:21:07

So then he stopped wearing his number and then Jordan

1:21:10

did something and LeBron's like, all right, I'll wear the

1:21:12

number again. I'm okay. So

1:21:14

I forget all of this. LeBron had a

1:21:16

lot of respect for Jerry West. I can tell

1:21:18

you that. Okay, good. I'm happy to hear.

1:21:20

It seems like everybody on earth has respect

1:21:22

for Jerry West. How could you not? 1983,

1:21:25

2017. We're in the

1:21:27

highest profession with high,

1:21:29

not just like an advisor or

1:21:32

a counselor. We're talking like a very high

1:21:34

prominent role. Game changing. That's a big brain

1:21:36

out there. Now let's get to the modern

1:21:38

day basketball. Connor has a question for you,

1:21:40

Wendy. Yeah, Wendy, obviously poor Zingus's status is

1:21:42

up in the air. I believe Shams reported

1:21:44

this morning that they're going to see how

1:21:46

it goes in warmups and then kind of

1:21:49

decide from there. And also Joe Mazzullo said

1:21:51

yesterday, like, yeah, this isn't his decision anymore.

1:21:53

We're going to make this decision for him.

1:21:55

What are you expecting out of poor Zingus?

1:21:57

Do you think that there's a likely chance

1:21:59

that he plays? or do you think it's 50-50 right now? And

1:22:01

then also, how do you actually say the

1:22:03

injury that he has? Yeah, great, great,

1:22:06

great. How

1:22:08

do you feel about this as a Celtics guy?

1:22:10

How are you feeling about this? I mean, I

1:22:12

feel pretty confident still, no doubt about it, just

1:22:14

because their two best players are going up against,

1:22:17

you know, our two best defensive players. Like, if

1:22:19

Porzingis played guard, I'd be a lot more worried

1:22:21

about it, but because he plays center, that's one

1:22:23

thing. And, you know, I already told the boys,

1:22:25

do not sleep on Luckey Cornett. The guy gets

1:22:28

soaking wet from three just like Porzingis. I

1:22:31

actually really like Luc Cornett. He's a

1:22:33

fun guy to watch play. But

1:22:36

he's no Porzingis, let's be clear. This

1:22:38

is an unheard-of injury in the

1:22:40

NBA. There's basically no history

1:22:43

of this happening, the way they describe this

1:22:45

dislocation of this tendon. You

1:22:47

know, guys, I'm an athlete myself.

1:22:50

I played high school golf. Hey,

1:22:53

basketball. I saw you on bronze, thank

1:22:55

you. Yeah, right, of course, of course.

1:22:58

I invited Lebronzo, of course, many times, but he was always

1:23:00

too busy. I

1:23:02

actually had tendonitis in this tibital

1:23:04

tendon during my

1:23:06

prolific golfing career. And

1:23:09

I just remember, you know, that

1:23:11

it hurt to take every step. Not

1:23:13

that I'm an athlete at all, but, you

1:23:16

know, people who have this injury badly need

1:23:19

a walking boot. And, you know, Porzingis was

1:23:21

walking around yesterday without a limp, without a

1:23:23

boot. So there's no frame of reference

1:23:25

for this injury. There's no, like, you know, I've

1:23:27

gotten to the point where I've seen so many

1:23:29

ankle sprains that I can sometimes see a guy

1:23:31

turn his ankle and go, yeah, that's probably a

1:23:33

grade two. Or that's, oh, he pulled out of

1:23:36

that. That's only maybe a grade one or man

1:23:39

could be grade three. There's no,

1:23:41

nobody knows this injury, nobody. The

1:23:43

Mavericks don't know it, the Celtics don't know it.

1:23:45

It's, you know, even the doctors, you know, orthopedics

1:23:47

and in trainers, they don't know this injury. So

1:23:49

it's, I'm gonna be honest with you, it's all

1:23:52

a guess. They have no idea. So they're gonna

1:23:54

treat it like an ankle injury and they're gonna

1:23:56

give them, I'm sure, whatever medications they can, they're

1:23:58

gonna wrap it up. and try to get the

1:24:00

squirreling and they're gonna see how he feels. Let's

1:24:02

go back to your pro- Connor, I can't tell

1:24:04

you how he's gonna feel. Okay, Wendy, let's go

1:24:06

back. Let's do a little bit more journalism here.

1:24:08

Let's go back to your prolific high school golf

1:24:10

career whenever you had tendonitis in this tendon

1:24:13

in a foot or whatever. Did

1:24:15

they give you tortle? How'd it feel after you got

1:24:17

tortle? Were you able to walk? Tortle was not offered.

1:24:20

Tortle was not offered. I did

1:24:22

have some powerful anti-inflammatory. I had to tape. I'm gonna tell

1:24:25

you, it didn't help. I was dragging

1:24:27

that foot for a couple of months. A

1:24:29

couple of months! Yeah,

1:24:32

definitely was really dragged down my game.

1:24:35

I went from hitting it from like 225 off the

1:24:37

tee to like 217. It

1:24:39

was a real- Wow. It really, really

1:24:42

hurt my gun. Not bad. Hell, that is.

1:24:45

But Connor probably knows that the Celtics are plus

1:24:47

25 with Corzingis on the court,

1:24:50

this series, and they're even with him off the

1:24:52

court. And so he's obviously a

1:24:54

huge part of what they do. The big thing is

1:24:56

Al Horford, guys. Hold on, before

1:24:58

we move on now, Horford, we have video

1:25:00

of Corzingis showing up at practice earlier today.

1:25:03

Oh, I thought you had video of my

1:25:05

golf career. That would have been awesome. No,

1:25:07

we don't have 217-yard drives on our show

1:25:09

ever, but we will potentially, at some

1:25:11

point, if we find it, a view. He looks like

1:25:13

he's walking and moving pretty good. Yeah,

1:25:17

he's wearing a regular shoe. Again,

1:25:20

if you see that, you're like, okay, he's

1:25:22

not incapacitated. But I'll say, the other night,

1:25:24

after he had this injury, he could barely

1:25:26

move out there. And

1:25:29

the Mavericks were attacking him to the point where they had to call timeout

1:25:31

to get him off the court. Is

1:25:33

this a situation like KD, where this injury

1:25:35

can lead to a torn Achilles? Because as

1:25:38

a Celtics fan, also, up to

1:25:40

0, don't really want to completely ruin his next

1:25:42

season because there's no way he'd be able to

1:25:44

come back next year if he tore his Achilles

1:25:46

right now. Connor, I have no

1:25:48

idea. I had never really heard of this

1:25:50

exact injury, this dislocation or whatever. But

1:25:53

the thing is, I will tell you this, he

1:25:55

sprained his left ankle twice this year, which is

1:25:57

what he's had. He's had injuries to both calves.

1:26:00

this year. And last summer, he

1:26:02

couldn't play for the Latvian National Team because

1:26:04

he had plantar fasciitis in his right foot.

1:26:06

So he's been having injuries down there. So yeah,

1:26:08

you're concerned about it. You know, I'm not again,

1:26:11

I'm not going to tell you I'm a physical

1:26:13

therapist, I'm going to tell you what tendons are

1:26:15

tied to what muscles, but I'd be concerned about

1:26:17

it. And the question I would really have if

1:26:19

you're the Celtics is, would he

1:26:21

be better with if you gave him two more

1:26:24

days off? And can you risk putting them out

1:26:26

there up to low? Can you risk putting them

1:26:28

out there? When maybe you give them two more

1:26:30

days off? That would be a question I'm sure

1:26:32

they're debating. Didn't they say when be like even

1:26:34

as a teenager was working his feet and things

1:26:36

like that because he's super tall guys and girls

1:26:38

who mostly basketball

1:26:41

people you run on wood. It's a lot

1:26:43

of like check in, start and stop and

1:26:45

jump in land and on things. So like

1:26:47

if the foot goes everything goes. Yeah, you're

1:26:49

at home. Grandchat home. Grand, remember, he got

1:26:52

in the summer before his rookie year, he

1:26:54

just, you know, tweaked his foot a little,

1:26:56

he missed the entire season because he's seven

1:26:58

one. Yeah, man, Victor, Victor does toe

1:27:00

strength in the exercises and has for years where

1:27:03

he put, you know, those bands that people put

1:27:05

around there, you know, they work their arms

1:27:07

and they work their calves. He puts them around his

1:27:09

toes. And he's been eating with their toes. And

1:27:13

he walks on his, he gets

1:27:16

on all fours and walks on his

1:27:18

fingertips and tip toes. Like crab walks.

1:27:21

It's, it's wild to see. That is like a bear

1:27:23

crawl, but only on the, yeah,

1:27:25

on his toes and his finger in front of

1:27:27

you. Like it for, he did it for you.

1:27:30

Like, where everybody in front of her.

1:27:32

I remember being when I went to Paris to watch

1:27:34

him last year, there was like, he would go in

1:27:36

through this workout and all these NBA

1:27:38

GMs, including Brian Wright from the Spurs were

1:27:40

like watching him. It's like they

1:27:42

were like, they were fascinated by this workout. And

1:27:44

Brian Wright from the Spurs who later drafted him

1:27:46

when they won lottery. He was using his iPhone

1:27:48

to videotape this crab walk. I don't

1:27:50

know. Crab block isn't right. But he was like doing

1:27:52

this because he's demon trying to, yeah, I'm

1:27:55

not an athlete. That's

1:27:58

four point. He's at four points. I mean,

1:28:00

there's a lot of different ways to describe this, but he's

1:28:03

doing this in, hey, you saw my

1:28:05

shit. You saw. That's nasty. That

1:28:07

is a gross looking leg you have there, man. I

1:28:10

got a, I don't know what grade it is,

1:28:12

but I have a fully torn hip flexor on

1:28:14

my leg. That is now. I saw the photo

1:28:16

and I didn't enlarge it. You know, you can

1:28:18

like touch on Twitter and enlarge. I did not.

1:28:20

Actually, I don't want to see it that close.

1:28:22

Back on. Yeah, that's just bad. That's kind of

1:28:24

just a pool of blood hanging out right above

1:28:26

my knee because I guess it just flowed down

1:28:28

the thigh and that's where it found its home.

1:28:30

Dr. Chow, a pro football doc, he said, it's

1:28:33

going to get worse for it's going to get

1:28:35

better. No, never liked to hear

1:28:37

that. Never liked to hear that. Don't like,

1:28:39

cause I was really confused whenever my wife

1:28:41

saw it last night. Cause I'm hurting here.

1:28:44

You see, there's really no pain,

1:28:46

nothing here. My man, am I so fucked up?

1:28:48

I can't even feel that. What

1:28:50

is going on? Yes. I called the Colts training

1:28:52

staff and they told me, yeah, that thing just

1:28:54

won't rate on down there. There's a chance that

1:28:56

thing could end up in your toes. Can you

1:28:58

imagine I wake up my toes and I'm like,

1:29:00

I got diabetes. I'm dead. That

1:29:02

could have happened from a hip flex. That's what

1:29:04

we said. We had a guy tears MCL. I

1:29:06

tore this. We had a broken foot. Yep. That's

1:29:09

right. That's half a hamster. Yeah.

1:29:12

We had concave for soccer. That was soccer. That

1:29:14

way that's tough support.

1:29:16

Yeah. You know, your leg

1:29:18

health. I would assume that you, you

1:29:20

are a master of the leg, right?

1:29:23

Not this stage, to be honest with you. This thing, this

1:29:26

thing really popped. Nevermind. I

1:29:28

kicked the ball out of a stadium, Wendy, whenever I

1:29:30

tore this same exact shot out of a stadium. It

1:29:32

was good. It's kind of depends on the

1:29:34

size of the stadium, frankly. If you saw

1:29:36

it, you'd say, yeah, that ball went along.

1:29:38

Pretty big. Oh, that's when

1:29:40

you hurt yourself. In

1:29:44

the middle of that swing there, yeah. Boom. Right

1:29:46

in the middle of that. That's a questionable decision

1:29:48

for a manager. Just all I'm going to say.

1:29:50

I agree. Wendy 37 old

1:29:52

as hell jogged off the field. My

1:29:54

sympathy level just ratcheted down three ticks.

1:29:56

Yeah, but the game before I was

1:29:58

really left it off. all out there.

1:30:00

Three. He sure did. I was starting

1:30:02

to get loose, you know,

1:30:05

and the funny thing about like, clearly, you're

1:30:07

really not the fuck amen. The funny thing about your drive,

1:30:09

it goes from 225 to 217. Whenever you hurt yourself, I

1:30:13

hurt myself in the ball goes from traveling 70 yards

1:30:15

to 80 yards. So just remember that, Wendy, when you

1:30:17

look in the mirror, I will. All right. Speaking

1:30:22

of all these pro athletes getting injured, do you have

1:30:25

any clarity on Luca and what he is dealing with?

1:30:27

It feels like he walks into place, not

1:30:29

looking great. And then all of a sudden, he's able to play

1:30:31

and still put up points and do what he does. Like, do

1:30:33

you know what it is? And how is he going to look

1:30:35

continuing? I guess throughout the rest of the series? Yeah,

1:30:38

man, he's like a mummy. He's got

1:30:40

his legs wrapped up. Now he's got his chest

1:30:42

wrapped up. He

1:30:44

had to get an injection, which is a

1:30:46

football thing, right? Because

1:30:49

if there's a guy to ask about Toradol, ask about that,

1:30:51

you know, I'm sure that's not what they're given to him.

1:30:53

But, you know, he whatever is

1:30:55

in that rib cage, they said it's a

1:30:57

contusion. But obviously, it's something where where you

1:31:00

move your butt when you move your arms,

1:31:02

the muscles are in there. And so he's

1:31:04

probably our McMahan says, he's probably gonna need

1:31:06

it again tonight. And

1:31:09

look, that ain't good. And you know, like, I

1:31:11

have no idea how it lasts. But I know

1:31:13

that he was heck of a lot better in

1:31:15

the first quarter of game two that he was

1:31:17

in the fourth. So you wonder, you

1:31:20

know, how long that's last. And

1:31:22

to me, you hear Porzingis either

1:31:24

limited or out. And you

1:31:26

hear Lucas getting injections in his

1:31:28

chest to be able to play.

1:31:31

I'm hearing Kyrie Irving. It's your time, sir.

1:31:33

Yeah, because like Kyrie is not getting it

1:31:35

done. I know that Boston's great on defense.

1:31:37

And when you watch them guard the pick

1:31:39

and roll. Oh, yeah, I'm not an ex

1:31:41

and oh, guy. When you watch Boston guard

1:31:43

the pick and roll. It's like a symphony,

1:31:45

the way those guys work together and the

1:31:47

way they trust each other and the way

1:31:49

that they just use their skills and play

1:31:51

to their strengths. Kyrie is getting

1:31:53

stymied by it. So he's got to figure out

1:31:56

a way to take some pressure off of Luca.

1:31:59

Because obviously, is delivering but he is he's

1:32:01

banged up himself. Wendy switching gears

1:32:03

slightly you had that article on espn.com

1:32:06

about the Lakers basically have an egg

1:32:08

on their face after the whole Dan

1:32:10

Hurley situation. There are some rumors

1:32:12

coming out now too that JJ Rettick

1:32:14

may have not even been like a top

1:32:17

three candidate that's like hey they might move

1:32:19

out to Jay right now at this point.

1:32:21

Where do the Lakers stand right now? Do you

1:32:23

think they're going to end up kind of

1:32:26

just going back to JJ? Has

1:32:28

that relationship kind of been damaged with

1:32:30

the way this whole Hurley thing played out? Like

1:32:32

where what are the Lakers going to do next and how quickly

1:32:35

do you think they're going to make a decision? One

1:32:37

of the first things you say about the Lakers is they're

1:32:39

not desperate. Okay, I mean this is

1:32:42

one thing about about this franchise. They

1:32:44

have things that they have setbacks but

1:32:46

they still got LeBron James they still got Anthony

1:32:49

Davis they still got Los Angeles they still got

1:32:51

a lot of things on their side. This

1:32:53

happened back in 2019. They

1:32:55

went after Tai Lue didn't get him they went

1:32:58

after Monte Williams didn't get him. They hired Frank

1:33:00

Vogel who was their third choice and

1:33:02

they won the championship the next year largely

1:33:04

because they traded for Anthony Davis. So you

1:33:07

know they definitely took it on the chin a little

1:33:09

bit when they went after Dan Hurley

1:33:11

and you know made what they thought was

1:33:13

an aggressive offer and he said no and

1:33:15

that's not a great look but again this

1:33:17

is not something they haven't been through before.

1:33:20

So the most important thing

1:33:22

for them is for them to is for

1:33:24

them to deal with their roster and that's

1:33:26

ultimately going to be Rob Polinka's job number

1:33:28

one is managing their draft

1:33:30

pick that they have managing LeBron's

1:33:32

contract managing De'Anzo Russell seeing what

1:33:34

traits they can make those

1:33:36

things that he makes are probably going to be just

1:33:38

as equally important as the coach. The

1:33:41

answer that I have for you on their coaching search

1:33:43

is I don't know what they're going to do. I'm

1:33:45

not going to sit up here and try to guess. The

1:33:47

guy that they had the most contact with other

1:33:49

than Dan Hurley was

1:33:52

James Borrego. They let Borrego

1:33:54

go through a two day interview with the Cavs the last

1:33:56

two days. If they didn't want

1:33:58

to lose Borrego to the Cavs I mean, he might get offered

1:34:01

the Cavs job by the end of the week. He might not, but

1:34:03

if they were super hot on him, they would have

1:34:05

offered, they would have tried to pull him out of

1:34:07

Cleveland, set a plane for him in Cleveland. They didn't.

1:34:10

So, you know, there are other two candidates that

1:34:12

they, that they, we know that they've talked to

1:34:14

are JJ, who's here in Dallas calling the series,

1:34:16

and Sam Cassell, who's here in Dallas coaching the

1:34:18

Celtics. So, I

1:34:21

wish I could tell you, I knew what their backup plans were.

1:34:23

I just don't know. We're going to find out in the coming

1:34:25

days, but I would just say, you

1:34:27

know, yeah, you can wrap, especially if you're a

1:34:29

Laker hater, which there are many, you can have

1:34:31

a little bit of fun at their expense, but

1:34:33

they're, it's not like this is a giant setback

1:34:36

we'll never recover from. They, if they offer more

1:34:38

money than Hurley, does he still say no? Did

1:34:40

they have money? Did they have the money?

1:34:42

Did they have the money? I'll

1:34:44

talk about the only one. So, I

1:34:46

think Hurley is having a press conference

1:34:48

tomorrow, I think, in Connecticut. What

1:34:50

he says will be very interesting. And I also

1:34:53

want to know how much he signed for. Because,

1:34:55

you know, we, you know, what was told

1:34:58

us that he was getting offered, you

1:35:01

know, I think about 8 million a year, eight and a

1:35:03

half million a year. And then the Lakers offered him 11

1:35:05

and a half or whatever it was. Let's see

1:35:07

what he actually signs for. Because that's

1:35:10

when you'll know how close the two offers were, because he

1:35:12

didn't like the eight and a half million dollar offer. And

1:35:14

I know this because he didn't sign it. He

1:35:16

left it sitting there on the table when interviewed in

1:35:18

LA. So, you know, that's, you'll have a

1:35:20

good deal of what the money is, probably after we

1:35:22

find out what the terms of this guy. I assume

1:35:24

he's signing a new contract. That's why he's having the

1:35:26

press conference. I guess I don't know, but we'll see

1:35:28

what he says tomorrow on that. I saw a lot

1:35:30

of people and he doesn't need the scissors here. So,

1:35:32

he ends up saying, ah, fuck it. And

1:35:35