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real life and this is the pen

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addict episode 520,

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for today show is brought to you squarespace

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and trade my name is michael

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and and are joined by brad doughty high brad

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are

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you okay? okay if i felt like you dropped something,

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right? when you're about to say my name, i'm

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just and i just trying keep fresh you

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okay? i'm very like like

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dialed into your introductions now

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he started laughing thing as

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like the headland name of the run the show

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or something like that because

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sometimes when sometimes start doing as doing shows

0:42

like as it to them i'm on autopilot

0:45

exactly right the come to scotland

0:48

and i don't know what i'm saying yeah

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and then you think about a new like i really can't

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even remember what i just said because i didn't this

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by nature and it's

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spanish proof in the thin air

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out of your memory so when i giggle

1:01

like what did what did a city it's

1:03

i do things all the time wrong shows wrong

1:05

hosts wrong numbers una serie

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de silva see people don't hear those that

1:10

remove yeah yeah i'm the same i am the

1:12

same way but i mean i guess it's just it's

1:14

just a a good note

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to say how good of a mood i'm always in

1:18

when i get the to me about pence can

1:20

beam i'm excited i'm

1:22

excited it's dc pinscher week mike

1:25

this is like at this point i should be like

1:27

the d c b d c penn so hype

1:29

man like , talk about it

1:32

so but i think it's just because

1:34

the people i talk to so much dust on social

1:36

media twitter instagram instagram

1:39

that everyone's my getting hyped for the dc pinch

1:41

of think if you have the hype man know that

1:43

you would actually put the respect on the shelves

1:46

name the city is

1:48

an excellent is was in that easy fountain pen

1:50

supercell and think it's about

1:52

time he started calling it that you know yeah

1:55

on the matter yeah so the reality

1:58

of the situation is i have to keep talking

2:00

about the dc pin show because

2:02

it it it is such a hot mess

2:05

every year they can't get out of their own way

2:07

there's always a problem i feel like i have to

2:09

prepare people for what they're about to walk into

2:11

of it's their first pence of or even if it's

2:13

there are multiple dc pinch of

2:15

its som different mess

2:18

every year and this hey this might

2:20

this year's no different said

2:22

and we've and about this before

2:24

and we talked about at last week and i'm only bringing

2:26

up it again because number one it's actually

2:29

time the show starts tomorrow the

2:31

number two i mentioned last week that i'm

2:34

reminding who are opinion this

2:36

show who happened to be listen to this podcast

2:38

there is going to be a ballroom in a

2:40

place where it is never before and

2:43

i hope i hope that

2:45

all of your make a point to go

2:47

see and visit this other ballroom

2:50

arm because that's where a lot

2:52

of that's it's formerly the kids

2:54

room ah that was on the the side

2:56

arm the

2:58

side room outside the main

3:01

room and a lot of the they put a lot of makers in there

3:03

that's that it was just have a job but it was like

3:05

show design and brooks and ten away

3:07

of people who matter where i can lay well the

3:09

year that i can okay

3:12

so that is the it was that odd little side

3:14

room right but it became a and it

3:16

was on the path in the way

3:18

to the main some most people saw it

3:20

even some people didn't will this time that

3:22

room is not there and they're actually going to in a basement

3:25

then like on a different floor from the main

3:27

room and it's like a whole

3:29

whole thing is like whoa or people going

3:32

to go visit room so we

3:34

are keeping our eyes and ears to

3:36

see how the dc pencil handles that

3:38

so that's why i keep bringing

3:41

it up to make sure that people are aware hey

3:44

there is more than meets the eye the dc

3:46

pet zone you better go into that other room because

3:48

you're not going to get the whole so experience

3:50

unless you do that so ill ill be

3:53

there will be people in that you will want to see and

3:55

now want to check out i know

3:57

where everyone's tables are but i did one now

4:01

are , for friends at potter mike mike

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, you

4:06

know i last year i was part of their kind of thought

4:08

kind program you know getting

4:10

and testing half hours

4:13

of headphones or for for plotter last

4:15

year and was testing out one of their products

4:18

and i have very much appreciate

4:20

what they're making much what they're doing and

4:23

they were at the san francisco pinto

4:25

last year kind of lot that was their

4:27

launch weekend was

4:29

at san this year they're going to dc

4:31

and san francisco in there and have special goods so

4:34

this there thing if you're to d c

4:36

and you're going to be there on friday there's

4:38

gonna be vendors there

4:41

and you should probably just kind of look

4:43

at dc vendor less than may be kind of check

4:45

the those matching vendors that you like

4:48

maybe check their instagram to see but they're doing

4:51

for , show because a lot them are going to have special

4:53

show only things though

4:56

show only things might only things

4:58

make it past like potter is gonna have

5:00

some new they're introducing some new connoisseurs

5:02

special

5:04

com

5:06

the performance right so the

5:08

standard papers that fit into

5:10

their systems with some

5:12

different types of rulings like manuscript ruling

5:14

and in the of different types of rulings things

5:16

like that they're , going to have

5:20

travelers company it's by the same

5:24

the company the same parent company the gonna have

5:26

these brass ballpoints the troubles

5:28

brass ballpoints you can be able to get them engraved they're

5:30

so they're doing lots of special thinks he should figure

5:32

out you know what you're doing what

5:34

you're thinking about doing what your game plan

5:37

is for the show as

5:39

i as you head to the dc

5:41

pence chef so it's not just you know it's not just potter

5:43

that's one that cross my like ian shown

5:46

as you know great display we're

5:48

launching all these new colors the show

5:50

some of these are show only you know our friends

5:52

at cana layer you know have ceo

5:54

pens each morning that aren't normally available

5:57

so be thinking about that

5:59

if you're times limited at the show

6:01

and you're interested in some of these know

6:04

unique and a one type of good that

6:06

you can only get the show or ,

6:08

about about your gameplan as when

6:10

you get there some looking forward to everyone

6:13

at the dc penn so i hope y'all

6:15

are keep me in the loop ah bu falling instagram

6:17

second and on slack i'm just anxious to see

6:20

how it goes because it's something

6:22

happens in dc of san

6:24

francisco for runs infinitely more

6:26

smooth and i will be there later this

6:28

month at the end of august august twenty sixth twenty

6:31

eight i'll be in orlando eight two tenths

6:33

so i am i looking forward

6:36

to some pincers of my own

6:38

but i am jealous of all my friends a all

6:40

c even though i know it could

6:42

be a bit of a hot mess but like i said

6:44

last week it be a hot mess

6:46

with by the time it's done and gone

6:48

it's you've left you've will have had have good time a

6:50

pretty have enough why

6:53

didn't get out to pinchos for a a change? yeah,

6:56

i would like to go to a pain show it's been a really

6:58

long time and it was a these

7:01

are staples my year at least like to a

7:03

year feel like four years and i haven't

7:05

been driven since 2018

7:08

19 so maybe i need

7:10

to headed your way soon like maybe i

7:12

need to hit to one of the the london shows or we both

7:14

go to the dot show or something like that i

7:16

i i know we're talking about tokyo but you know,

7:18

you always come over here the shop maybe

7:21

i should head over there at least talk about it

7:23

often on i would iraq thing as validate

7:26

yeah they select a london pin

7:28

so i think is they have two or three

7:30

a year i think they're just one day wouldn't

7:33

bother with that bread so maybe the dutch maybe

7:35

if we're gonna do it as i should use it comes

7:37

the problem the problem with the dutch so as

7:39

it's in june like early june what

7:42

a bad athena ,

7:46

adnan maybe i'll just come

7:48

in l bring i'll get like a cut out made

7:50

of you and around with me that was kind

7:52

of song though none for

7:54

made famous made year up penalizes

7:57

a year in eleven

8:02

owed , really really

8:05

, you know what else works for

8:07

me mike pelican hubs are back this

8:09

is another of it you could go to their for

8:11

there's probably some some to had access isn't

8:13

as yeah but you know what it's

8:15

one of the coolest things that a manufacturer

8:18

does for the community by i am shocked

8:20

continually that how big

8:23

this is and how such a good job pelican

8:25

does and what this this

8:27

you're not familiar we haven't talked about i'm in years

8:29

because they were not being run do to you

8:31

pandemic for since twenty nineteen

8:34

was the last time that they did it but pelican

8:37

will do an annual event

8:39

, they say hey

8:41

sign up if you want to

8:43

you know coordinate like a little club meeting

8:46

in your area and pelican will

8:48

essentially kind of sponsor

8:50

the meeting by sending you you know paper

8:52

and inks and you know the

8:54

pelican samples and things like that

8:56

just for your little get together and

8:59

it's and worldwide advance there's

9:02

groups that get together and you know from

9:04

all over and meta up and

9:06

it's like and little pin meet up in pelican

9:09

it's done such pelican great job and and in

9:11

years past they were like

9:14

entire bottles of their inc

9:16

of their year aims to you

9:18

know like if you had ten people at your

9:20

meeting that xinyi tending be had forty four

9:22

people at your meeting bateson inks for everybody

9:24

i think did panel why and that down because

9:26

it was getting to be really really big an

9:29

extent the do but the

9:31

pelican is pelican is and on this

9:33

kind of community aspect

9:36

for pens and stationary something

9:38

i can really really appreciate i've never been to

9:41

one myself there's usually one atlanta

9:43

i think this i think reading

9:45

d the requirements

9:47

as long as you have seven people like

9:49

you can run a hub like i could run one here

9:51

in macon if i felt like a good seven

9:54

and friends and to make and and and didn't

9:56

one or some of the bigger one ceo rent out

9:58

a room at a restaurant or me

10:00

you at a different for are

10:02

these get together so the really cool their backs

10:05

i'm the pelicans parts has all

10:07

the details wobbling and the show of our interested

10:10

the kicker this year it's it's twofold

10:13

wine it's moved later in the years

10:15

moved into november normally there in september

10:17

and to you have to sign up by august

10:19

twenty first aka brad's birthday arm

10:22

to the be able

10:24

to participate so they've

10:27

pushed out the date of

10:29

when they will take place but move forward

10:31

the date for when have to sign up like

10:33

from their announcement time to sign up time is

10:35

less than three weeks so if

10:37

that's something you're interested and you need to go read this information

10:40

and get to signing up so i need to look

10:42

any to look at the calendar see see

10:45

if if sign up see going on

10:47

in atlanta ah probably wouldn't

10:49

a problem when trying a new one so

10:54

i keep threatening to do one and then it's

10:56

been a few years and have had opportunity to ah so

10:58

memo try get here soon and twenty twenty two the

11:00

new said that about your birthday i

11:03

am voluntarily through my hands up in the air

11:06

why so why not

11:09

to do have any yeah

11:12

that's always good to speak in their yeah their

11:14

yeah because it got it's just like

11:16

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i'm excited to talk about new products today

13:10

so i feel like it's been

13:13

you know we talk about new products a lot and he had this is

13:15

kind of over a really good place for me to talk about new

13:17

products because i don't do like product

13:19

launch stuff on the blog necessarily doing

13:22

like a release news

13:24

content but it's great

13:27

to talk about on the podcast

13:29

because it's it's very timely

13:31

and it's interesting to me and

13:34

what i've noticed with all of the

13:36

links i put in the show notes today is

13:39

how

13:41

little releases

13:44

or how few really says there have been in the past few months

13:46

and i guess that's the time i

13:48

least i hear the us in that in the northern

13:51

hemisphere northern summer time and doldrums

13:53

are real right that's the quietest

13:55

time for pretty much everything while

13:57

people on holiday there's not a lot of

14:01

you know are not as much sales

14:03

i think in in retail would probably like

14:05

line up with hey that's always quite

14:07

as kind of right before august in school

14:09

gets back and you know summer vacations

14:12

or and things like that so we got all these

14:14

releases all a sudden i it's timely

14:16

with or smaller makers

14:18

and you know people in our community

14:21

to start building back up for the

14:23

to bake and shows in the us

14:26

at dc in san francisco to have a bunch of new products

14:28

so what's lead off with this we'll talk about

14:30

a budget new products here because

14:33

i i find them all compelling for us

14:36

huge amount of different reasons so the first up mike's

14:38

the estabrook camden northern lights

14:40

limited edition what do you

14:43

think about this

14:45

product lineup so it's a it's a three

14:48

pen line up from estabrook

14:50

that they have collaborated with heinz pinto what

14:52

do you think just from just from your

14:55

aesthetics what you think about this

15:00

i would say it's like one and a half hour

15:02

of three okay me

15:04

so like this three models like

15:07

one of them a lot the kind of like

15:09

another one and then one of them

15:11

just doesn't do a flu okay so

15:13

now i have a chat once i had him ranked those

15:15

for a good grief though

15:18

there may as a green one

15:20

a blue on in a purple and yeah

15:23

and , kind of their swirled and little bit a glittery

15:25

and then they have matching hardware will have going

15:27

to the centers for all the products were bumptop out but

15:30

our say like sake fan of

15:32

the the loved the that that

15:34

matting yes fry

15:36

because they this had that pink one i have

15:38

that was really limited and exactly

15:40

i like that they've got three of the unhappy

15:43

they've expanded that because that is that fun

15:45

thing to though

15:48

yeah so like that the nibs in the clip matches

15:50

like the hardware plating or looks good so gosh

15:52

what is your order it's your order is

15:55

wow it blue

15:58

one per to green three

16:01

couldn't more wrong green

16:04

one blue

16:06

to purple three

16:08

okay

16:10

the yeah her you i i'm surprised the green one

16:12

okay a graze okay i think

16:14

i see that that said matthew larger

16:17

safer for me to the green is the most novel

16:19

of the three right

16:21

i feel like blue and purple swirly

16:23

pens lakes well the material

16:25

pencil for like a see now bunch this kind

16:27

of really like green is very unique blue

16:31

i mean blues blow right says right

16:33

when the purple looks like cabbage

16:36

to me ah

16:38

dang i didn't see that to your said it had

16:40

been made a soon as the word was out

16:42

of your mouth that's exactly what it bethel

16:45

i don't want to write habits pen yeah

16:48

not a very color right

16:50

mind me reds strong color

16:52

separation so

16:54

i get that i'm that i'm

17:01

there i think they're all dead right like i don't

17:03

necessarily have me they're

17:05

more even dead like you would

17:07

have like have definitive one two three writing

17:09

three writing like everything's a to rate

17:12

like the they're all find my guy i do

17:14

like i'm all i do like the matching autonomy rom

17:16

a mitten one arms a loser i'm just like none

17:19

of the i don't for me like as as i

17:21

find that to be a distinct ranking between

17:23

the three but they're all good of

17:26

because i liked the mixture of stuff they've got going

17:28

on like this the the material

17:30

as the putting glitter

17:32

and now why not but it's the matching nibs

17:34

that sells man or these to be honest so

17:38

i both ice i will go with blue

17:40

wine and then the other two second

17:43

like i don't think i have third i couldn't pick between

17:45

the green and purple i'll think i still like to

17:47

probably gonna you know the cabbage been i'm

17:50

the thing is i already have like a prototype

17:52

estabrook sd in this blue material italy's

17:55

it all summer i think my might be a little bit darker

17:57

but it might just be the picture on

17:59

but without the matching trim and not in

18:01

the camden shape which i

18:03

don't prefer i prefer the

18:05

standard as the shape which is just a regular

18:07

rounded ah cap personal

18:09

as opposed to the bell flat ends

18:12

of the camden so came little bit different

18:14

shape but i think i might have the

18:16

amount of tweak the shape of the kept shape of the camden

18:18

a little bit because traditionally

18:20

the den only fit smitten

18:22

nibs the other apps are too long

18:25

but these are definitely yobo ned that

18:27

are and these pictures so

18:29

arm it's it's i'm a i'll be interested to talk

18:31

to on ten road to see if they

18:33

did tweet that design a little bit on the camden

18:35

to the ,

18:37

other never even though i think the summit lives are perfectly

18:40

fanatics i'll i'll accept steps up up

18:43

just a a thought there but that i

18:45

prefer the sd a basic around and

18:47

and and for that but yeah

18:49

be so great i think they will they're

18:51

already available for their probably be the dc picture

18:54

for you to check out on other

18:56

thing is can wrote does have limited

18:58

edition pens that i

19:00

picked up one at the atlanta pets

19:02

hum

19:04

time ah this this past spring

19:06

so different check them out the

19:10

number two new who

19:13

oh my god you courtney mike i saw you claim

19:15

save myself i did really good their i number

19:18

two mike is the more to the

19:21

blue titanium the blue titanium

19:23

mark to which is the first mark

19:26

too limited edition that

19:28

our friends that city of neat have done but he about

19:30

this i

19:32

love the design or mean i have

19:35

this blue in a

19:38

mark one and

19:40

so i think this is a very nice perry and i

19:43

like that they went with bright

19:45

silver for

19:47

the body rather than the kind of darker

19:49

gray at least i have my mom

19:52

to i think this think very nice a

19:54

foray into their limited and i'm happy

19:56

that they are pulling the

19:59

to like idea to the month to

20:02

as well as as the mach one by the time people

20:04

a hearing this sale is over the time

20:06

sale yeah , take

20:09

a think they've moved to timed sales

20:11

with like sales short lead time because

20:14

you know i think that we've had leave but if he

20:16

wasn't already considered he would have her talk about like

20:18

some of the limit it's that they've done in a positive had

20:20

number twice and i would just so too

20:22

quickly they will put them up a certain time

20:25

at a day and then people in the other side of the world would

20:27

get upset them so i think now they

20:29

just do have time to sail they

20:31

sell of that period and fulfill them faster

20:33

than a lack of available preorder

20:35

or whatever and can ready to

20:38

if your studio neat vanishes subscribe to

20:40

their newsletter and yet it notified

20:42

about the drops and this one was around

20:45

with as twenty four hours or forty eight

20:47

hours it might be have been more like a forty eight type

20:49

of deal to think it so other yeah

20:52

if you are you catch this right after right

20:54

after it drops might have a chance

20:56

butter it's still running as we record

20:58

but like mike says it's probably gonna be done

21:01

, i love the color i don't have

21:03

some the mark one in this color of

21:09

course is fantastic is will save

21:11

them will save to is my least favorite of

21:13

the mark one two three combination

21:16

i use the mark one a lot more our

21:18

know i'm gonna love the mark three the mark

21:20

to is just okay for me personally the way

21:22

i use pens are but i think this

21:24

one is a much cooler

21:26

color than like the than months ago

21:30

or two thousand

21:33

be thousand bestseller but i'd love this color and

21:35

attic it looks really color in the mark

21:37

to think we're in a similar size enemies moment

21:40

to today i like

21:42

i think this is one

21:44

of the best if not the best pocket pen have used

21:46

i just is these pens you

21:50

know that

21:52

is funny i

21:54

will say talking about studio neat so

21:56

i do a show them cool thoroughly considered the

21:58

saw it a new thing i wanted to

22:00

just recommend people going out so

22:02

we record a thoroughly considered kind

22:05

once a month issue we talk about production

22:08

manufacture and

22:11

the boys had an idea because

22:13

obviously they are design focus people they

22:15

wanted to start a show about like

22:19

so it never have a guest on every episode

22:22

and they would bring their favorite item

22:24

to the show and then

22:26

tom would talk to the guest about the item

22:30

this isn't the isn't wasn't able to make work

22:32

of my schedule and instead of starting

22:35

of starting new podcast it's now going out thoroughly

22:37

consider when our alternate between episodes

22:39

i'm on and that these episodes which

22:41

are called the last detail so

22:44

the first one is without i'm lisa go out and they talk

22:46

about the sonos move alice

22:49

jeb so today's fantastic so i

22:51

read if you like products

22:53

in general like thoroughly considered as an

22:55

interesting show because you get a little bit of all of it now

22:57

so product design and then

22:59

also permit manufacture that

23:02

are going nice i look for i look forward to checking

23:04

that out because like gov tom

23:06

in a day in and i have very

23:10

ideas big

23:12

picture ideas on mike how to do things

23:15

right so like we always get along very

23:17

well i like their i like processes

23:19

around and you want like that look like listen to

23:21

that like a taste there is a good this i

23:23

think this is very very especially damn

23:25

is very dominance every episode

23:28

very i'm dan is planning

23:30

to pick which one of dieter

23:33

rams is ten design principles

23:35

apply to why this is a products roger

23:38

some his radical is great this

23:41

was great so i reckon people's the

23:43

wonder what dan would think

23:46

about the mont blanc heritage ruse

23:49

a new our baby collection

23:51

okay name is alan thing reagan reagan when

23:53

i saw this in the time i

23:56

thought this was establishment from you

23:58

write that you're like the heritage

24:00

rouge i know our baby like

24:02

that's how i read it and

24:04

, went to the parlak listing and saw

24:07

the name now let me tell you

24:09

something brand bounty the

24:11

white one is

24:13

one of the best pens i've ever seen him

24:15

alive i am

24:17

shocked surprised

24:20

and pleased that you said that because

24:22

i feel the same way i'd i access

24:27

this surprises

24:29

me for mont blanc in blanc very

24:31

positive way right

24:33

mike right love montblanc pens

24:37

for their design in their work but they're not

24:39

generally for me like the style

24:41

and the size of them usually

24:43

does not work for me i own one mont blanc

24:46

pen and , it is a little

24:48

baby pen as it is the little mont

24:50

blanc bow him him said

24:52

only takes international short international

24:55

cartridges because all that all it'll fit you've seen

24:57

this pen of before it's very small

24:59

like a goes sport type of size

25:01

of and this one is

25:04

similar would be similar in size do

25:06

that but with a fix near mine has the retractable

25:08

near that spins and retracts

25:10

and

25:11

i'm

25:14

i couldn't get over the name when someone sent me this

25:17

ah shut out tasty treat has so many

25:19

names in this name yeah they

25:22

sent me this i thought this

25:24

was gonna be like some baby

25:26

like focus like as the some like

25:28

pen for kids type of situation what why

25:31

is it this and i really hate

25:33

the name like i think the name is just

25:35

dumb all i love the guy

25:37

looks all that good lookin

25:40

they make cufflinks of the red and white

25:43

mom or yoga this

25:46

is the vintage logo right this is the best

25:48

logo where the snow cap is really

25:50

large ah it's not like small

25:52

and centered like a like on mot bronx

25:54

our product pages seen other general basic

25:57

logo this the old classic logo the routine

25:59

wire i use this are

26:01

part of a heritage collection that must be part of the logo

26:03

situation but this is a

26:05

smaller what we would what i refer to as

26:07

a pocket pen right so small

26:10

in size the cat post

26:12

on the back to make it a writer it's literally

26:14

like the mont of acres sport type of situation

26:18

but with a with a nab

26:20

a metal section i think

26:22

the one is an absolute knock

26:24

out his killer on and

26:27

you know what or as expensive

26:29

as my blog pins are these

26:31

are very expensive pens but

26:33

for blanc i think it's

26:36

seven hundred and sixty dollars msrp

26:38

with at me hundred and probably get from less that's

26:41

not ridiculous for well as pen

26:44

is like i paid more for my l blood like

26:46

as i should buy it out small

26:49

batch custom made silver hardware

26:52

you know gold neb eben , barrel

26:55

like is very very highly specialized

26:57

i paid more than that for this than this

26:59

than the smoke blown can like i i thought

27:02

the price was actually shockingly

27:04

reasonable for amount blonk

27:06

and ah i'm gonna i didn't i have

27:08

no interest necessarily like really on by

27:10

in this i am a very anxious to

27:13

get this in hand yeah avoid one of

27:15

my own how it says cause it's small

27:17

even yet it's more

27:19

like with yeah the images images

27:22

so i would wanna know how it felt like was

27:25

worth that is this is a pen that

27:27

i feel like that i pick up and

27:30

show or whatever with money would walk

27:32

away he has a they have unbelievable

27:36

i like it when brian surprise me mattis

27:38

like this is a pleasant surprise type

27:40

of situation alternate route among among months

27:43

website the entire range of products

27:45

that they have so this the

27:47

heritage routine while baby line

27:50

pieces at all killer like the bowl

27:52

point is beautiful i

27:54

don't know that mean the whole thing i didn't see that that

27:57

is a more than two point oh the the cap

27:59

is really small on the top like

28:02

that it's retractable is just a click

28:05

yeah

28:06

it's not a kept pin it's the know

28:10

yeah i'm in a season i have all

28:12

of his stuff is beautiful out in the roller but

28:14

then there's a rollerball that has kept yep

28:16

they a ballpoint as a click on a roll opponent

28:18

so that as ago this

28:20

is like a full product line up with cases

28:23

like he said cufflinks rollerball ballpoint

28:26

their pencil because nope

28:29

just ballpoints until on it i'm

28:34

really good really good job mom

28:36

poincare like i i'm i'm impressed this

28:38

is a good product line at not

28:41

a shockingly not mont blanc

28:43

of like crazy crazy

28:45

price point so young interesting are

28:49

a black the black fountain

28:51

pen is widely

28:54

less expensive than the white mike which is

28:56

interesting like twenty five pounds

28:59

doesn't arise me

29:01

the thing

29:02

one of the white ones clearly the best one he

29:04

gets on the goal to drown maybe gold

29:06

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29:09

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and re laugh i

31:13

wanna tell you a little story about this next product

31:15

that we got in in the documents

31:17

that please day a week you

31:20

have made this whole episode is

31:22

problematic for me and a bunch us and who

31:24

says he sale a pro gear winter sky

31:27

i'm already nervous right

31:30

because i had

31:32

looked at the other stuff in the list so far

31:35

this point and i'm like feels like

31:37

brad is bringing today the

31:39

likes of products he likes the look of to

31:42

just seeing sale a pro gear that

31:44

less worrying for me either i

31:47

opened it and i

31:49

immediately saw color and i was like always

31:51

they make kinda pen in this i'm gonna be

31:54

upset and there it kinda

31:56

fan right there and this is this is

31:58

that i think this might be bad for me though

32:01

this is the third in a series

32:03

of the pillow series which is

32:06

a story that i'm completely had familiar

32:08

with so hot not even gonna go there but

32:10

this is the third release

32:12

of this series and they've they've the previous

32:15

ones i think each of last two they've

32:17

done the full pro gear

32:19

line up in the pillow book series

32:21

so they have the pro gear slam the

32:24

pro gear and in the pro your king of penn

32:26

these are spectacular looking

32:29

like i this is i'm

32:31

sure sailors done this before but this is a very

32:33

subtle gradient from like top to bottom

32:36

look on this pen mostly in the cap

32:38

right like the like think the barrel is barrel solid color

32:41

but it the weather the

32:43

cap is posted or the cap is screwed

32:45

onto the front of the pen the can help you to converse

32:47

right like this like this a lyla

32:50

but the the the cap has of it a

32:52

painkiller yeah and then it

32:54

it's light light or to don't earn it still

32:56

a that the darkest point is very light still

32:58

it's just a beautiful beautiful color and

33:02

like like wonder like

33:05

we haven't hit this point and i keep

33:07

i've been wearing this for years but like it's

33:09

every month there's some huge

33:12

sailor release just in north america

33:14

alone and a psych oh em gee

33:16

it's like ike all i'm listening today

33:18

isn't like new products and it always

33:20

seems to be some new big sailor product

33:23

in and dad guess

33:25

they're not feeling the negative effects and good for

33:27

them if they're not but boy i can't help but

33:29

but about just like the like

33:32

sailor burnout like it's

33:34

that it i guess it's not real because

33:37

they're always releasing new things and

33:39

the are not everyone likes every penn

33:41

so you know maybe once a year someone finds

33:43

a new sailor pin that they like out of the ones out

33:45

the monthly release is it seems like

33:48

arm but like but argue with the style

33:51

and the look of the pan i think it's fantastic i can

33:53

just argue with like we just

33:55

finished talking about the line right

33:57

three or four weeks and before

33:59

that another release him before that was another really

34:02

like a fat clinton's i guess all companies

34:04

do right like a sailor know it's like i always say

34:07

they know better i right like i'm

34:09

looking at this going wow that's

34:11

a lot of pins for you

34:13

, a lot of money released all the time

34:16

but it's a know better than i do love my

34:18

mean okay citizen one of the things i think a

34:20

lot accompany the falling into this problem now nonsense

34:22

happening silo but it is think think

34:25

have more money in some instance

34:27

if you if you had you if job during the pandemic

34:30

you probably have more money like income

34:33

because he wants spending that money on

34:35

things like out in the burrow outright

34:38

two people were buying more luxury

34:40

items for themselves within it was pretty normal

34:42

trend ah and i

34:45

a lot of businesses made

34:47

some decisions based decisions what those

34:49

trends were thinking it be for a forever

34:51

thanks now there

34:53

are economic challenges

34:56

hitting people in new ways right now

34:59

the will you know as this one and saying

35:01

that like was that from obviously this stuff didn't

35:04

dream up decide the or week and half ago

35:06

this would have been implementing a long time

35:08

and so who knows like yeah maybe

35:10

they're turning lot of stuff up right next authentic a so

35:13

it may be a cop iraq and they probably will at

35:15

one of the things the things about this man is the

35:17

furniture is white gold

35:21

the novel and a note i feel like vividly yeah

35:23

yeah and and not to be by completely hypocritical

35:26

like i'm mont blanc is probably the same

35:28

way right i just don't follow them as closely

35:30

as sailor right so macbook

35:32

mob long as probably is releasing limited editions

35:34

just constantly between eggs and pins

35:37

and notebooks and all kinds of stuff i

35:39

just don't happen to see them you know as close as

35:41

sailor so i am that is a bias this

35:43

is the thing of like the company

35:46

this scale you're not

35:48

supposed to track everything they're doing

35:51

right right they are releasing

35:53

lots of products to hit lots

35:56

of different types of people and with

35:58

different prices and

36:01

the paul online

36:03

or they're put in stores and people see a lot alike

36:05

that color and about you know and i'm even

36:07

but they sowed little are

36:09

just the the to the

36:12

yeah but brad all of this

36:14

as like yeah i understand like i have a blind

36:16

spot their flight because i'm i'm us

36:18

big fan right so i'm looking at the

36:20

stuff the time and it would

36:25

it shock you mike to

36:28

tell you that of that of we've

36:30

talked about so far in

36:32

the new product really swirled that the next one

36:35

that's the one that i'm the most excited about

36:37

what it shock you yeah the kobe

36:40

go original fountain pen

36:42

is the one i'm most interested in out

36:44

of this entire product list as much as i just found

36:47

over the map as much as i love the

36:49

sailor pro gear i'm

36:52

all about what can baker's

36:54

doing here for what i'll say is interesting

36:57

to me some

36:59

of the links in our document i feel like

37:01

there's a spill or if it's the

37:03

health so this is a two part this

37:05

is a two part conversation here

37:07

so because they go original fountain

37:09

pen sometime after our podcast

37:11

last week i might have even been

37:14

that afternoon wednesday or thursday

37:17

all , the fountain pen retailers

37:20

put up preorders for the kobe

37:22

go regional fountain pen and i started

37:24

getting because everyone knows i love tobacco

37:27

tobacco knows hello like sport in

37:29

in the of that nature so

37:32

what this nature so the links started getting

37:34

was essentially a full

37:37

size kobe go ale sport

37:40

right it's an barrel and extended

37:42

full length barrel so does

37:44

take dale sport extended out to like

37:47

what you would consider a full length barrel to

37:49

where you could use the pin on

37:51

posted and it

37:53

had a number six neb but

37:55

also had an option to use and number five the

37:58

which will get to that in just a minute but

38:01

it was traditionally

38:04

sized they'll sport

38:07

and i it's great looking right it's just

38:09

that classic kobe go aluminum

38:12

barrel book you know it's about

38:14

one hundred and fifteen hundred and twenty

38:16

five dollars number six neb

38:19

it just kind of call like this they like

38:21

talking about checking this checks all

38:23

my boxes though

38:26

i started researching it and

38:28

i was very confused like the first product

38:30

listing i saw did listed as

38:33

hey you get it with a zero six

38:35

you either ordered the zero six zero

38:37

model or the to fiber model rights

38:40

and the zero six zero i think

38:42

was the number five hundred and

38:44

i don't could have this wrong because i can't find

38:46

him now which will get to a minute and

38:48

then then that was like hundred and fifteen dollars

38:51

with the number five nib and the other models like one

38:53

hundred twenty five dollars for the number six nemo why

38:55

would they make this bigger pen

38:58

and have that option for

39:00

the smaller neb as like okay maybe

39:02

just people have a bunch of the quaker nibs

39:04

that vega premium near busy number five it

39:06

be to take the people wanna swap those it but

39:09

it's pen is and designed

39:11

around the number six so

39:13

i went to go at it to the show notes today and

39:16

we talking about on stream yesterday the

39:18

links were gone all

39:21

the sites like everyone put up this this

39:23

pin at the same like any retail you

39:25

one including our sponsor in

39:28

put it up for preorder and said

39:31

hey you know go head start ordering misspent

39:33

here and the

39:35

time i went to add everything in and show notes poof

39:37

no one of listed like literally

39:39

four o four on where these pages

39:42

where these links to go to so i

39:44

could only find one live link are

39:46

a ghoul a pins has it listed but

39:48

it's a very like stripped

39:50

down page i did find

39:52

for people that are incident seen as pen the

39:55

google image pash has

39:57

a bunch of images of the pen so have a lincoln there

40:00

and then i have some of the cash web pages

40:02

like from gold spot in pencil a where they originally

40:04

listed the pen you know that everything on internet

40:06

is forever right so can just grab the google cache

40:09

where i'm google scrape the information

40:11

and you can find the listings a they're just

40:13

not live anymore and

40:15

i did a little asking around i was like hey

40:18

you know i summer my retail her friends what's the deal

40:20

here and they said basically no deal at

40:22

all the kuwait cafe code just ready

40:24

for us to posted yet it's not ready for pre-sale

40:26

but it'll be coming soon so like nothing nefarious

40:29

about the

40:31

, that with things being pulled

40:33

that's what i like think brat wake up

40:37

so now there is now there's more hype as like

40:39

oh why did ago when it coming back

40:41

so maybe was just you know maybe maybe

40:43

the i'm thinking might maybe they can make a kid with

40:45

sunglasses do like a and sunglasses may

40:49

have would be dope i may be how

40:51

the yet you back right

40:54

now i'm they want you to think something's going

40:56

on the annual pay attention

40:58

to a pen that i honestly think looks

41:01

boring and yeah lion

41:03

visit by but we the vessel pen

41:06

that i put on this entire lives that we talked

41:08

about today it it's the only one that

41:10

i want on my desk now like literally

41:12

like i'd i'd love that mom block like

41:14

but neither also lot of money and

41:17

bill i use it and is it cool i

41:19

want this kobe go original now like i

41:21

wanted now i'm not because i think

41:23

it's gonna be amazing but i think because

41:26

of how i feel about their other products

41:28

i want to see how this works and

41:30

how the number six nib is and know is

41:32

it worth one hundred twenty five dollars and that

41:35

the whole that the different conversation on

41:37

, this is more up my alley that any

41:39

of the other pins that discussed already

41:42

today and like i i will be buying this

41:44

one like stop at least

41:46

for review you know what i keep it or not that's

41:48

that's a whole different story dumb different

41:50

want to review this one like stat

41:53

or at least start testing it out but dumb

41:55

it's it's the most compelling of all the products and

41:57

now of sudden you can't buy it is not ready

41:59

for they'll but like as the people i talk

42:01

to as like have not even remotely

42:04

and issued they were just as too soon

42:07

they had had date and it will be

42:09

coming later so

42:11

stay tuned if you're awake of and

42:13

like me and when to get their hands on the original so

42:16

this just gives them a plat another platform

42:18

right to to extract

42:20

money from your bank account when they do you know

42:22

because i'm colors the aluminum the limit

42:24

colors that they do so well right like the cyan

42:27

or thirty or they're they're calling out

42:29

to recently like i would love to have that in

42:31

like a bigger pen model like this is

42:33

another another platform of down the line

42:35

much i appreciate that from luna

42:39

pp a sense of today yeah

42:41

i got i got a big one differ you

42:44

wanna read this i think we're probably both have some commentary

42:47

on this question in it's a it's a question that

42:49

comes up a lot here on the show with card before

42:51

but i think it's worth are discussing again

42:53

awesome

42:56

have you seen the moon men a

42:58

one i've got and i have a

43:00

few questions and some opinions was

43:02

the vanishing point ever made in china i

43:04

wonder if they took a disused i should point

43:06

assembly lines divert is in their own branded pen

43:09

is quite difficult to tell the two pens apart even

43:11

down to the in a a

43:14

vanishing point for many years and now this

43:16

i must say i should be further copycat he

43:19

has all things i love about the vanishing point quick

43:22

access unsatisfying click on top

43:24

of they offer eclipses version of oral stop

43:26

which mike would enjoy and a steel near

43:28

been set of gold which i feel fits the utilitarian

43:31

theme of bella and then as then price

43:33

if you buy this pen in china as china did

43:35

is less than dollars shipping included

43:38

to his my difficulty my difficulty to hate

43:40

this pen i wanted to buy of riot office

43:43

all day only copied the design but depends

43:45

terrible to use chinese makers

43:47

have a long tradition of copying foreign brands

43:50

if understands historical cultural contacts

43:52

while my excuse it a bit more than the observed from

43:54

the outside but this a one coffee

43:56

even i think they've gone too far and his siblings

43:59

the truth i love it for one eight the price

44:02

of what the vanishing point now i've always clippers

44:04

of the stone it so , isn't rcp

44:06

i suppose i suppose have a questions here it

44:08

if it how bad should i feel about this

44:11

that this given that better pen for me where does

44:14

the condemnation for copycatting stop and

44:16

appreciation for innovation begin what

44:18

are your thoughts on the

44:20

long list of thoughts so

44:22

let's start with the direct question

44:25

how bad should i feel about this you

44:27

should not feel bad one percent

44:31

if you like the product it

44:33

works for you and it meets

44:35

your needs i think like

44:38

i'm fine with that like i don't knock any one

44:40

for that i don't yuck other people's young like even

44:43

you know even if as we continue

44:45

down this discussion ominous a some some

44:47

things that might counteract that but

44:50

don't believe you should feel bad about that though

44:53

the broader question is

44:56

the condemnation where did the combination for copycatting

44:58

stop an appreciation for innovating begin that

45:00

a deeper questions right though

45:02

here's my stance if

45:05

your sole purpose for

45:07

existing directly

45:10

copy other products on the market

45:12

than i have no space for you in

45:15

the discussion

45:17

right

45:18

if that's like the sole reason for your

45:20

existence is to look around

45:23

see what's popular see how you can

45:26

make cheaply and pass

45:28

it off as similar

45:31

go for it but i don't really

45:33

have space for that and and my right

45:35

like i want to see that i don't to hear it

45:38

that if you are

45:40

making like close products but

45:42

also have some innovation to them and

45:44

similar i tend to be a little bit

45:46

more passive about is like okay maybe

45:49

there's a little bit of something here now this eight this

45:51

a one is like pretty blatant

45:53

right moon men

45:55

has a reputation for that moomin

45:58

also makes a few

45:59

the

46:02

their own designs what

46:05

they have repeatedly

46:08

just kind of been there's

46:10

inspiration right

46:13

in design engineers just blatant

46:17

over inspiration it's hard to say copy

46:19

because it's not necessarily wonder why right

46:21

i'm not going to say that pretty

46:24

clear like and some of their kobe go stuff that

46:26

they've done is very you that's got

46:28

go know sending out lawsuit eat

46:30

out you know legal documentation

46:33

to get them mom due

46:35

to propose to stop making certain products

46:38

this one is is is pretty strongly

46:41

pretty sparse pretty strong you don't

46:43

knock off but

46:46

like i i wouldn't feel bad if

46:49

if i'm a person using this pen

46:51

that that's the pin that i can afford that's

46:53

the pen that gives me joy like i'm not

46:55

going to

46:56

i'm not going to condemn me for that right like

46:58

if you use this product and you'd like it

47:01

but i'm also at the same time not gonna be out

47:03

here promoting

47:04

the company whose sole reason to exist

47:07

and i'm not saying is movement i'm saying and general

47:09

like companies i saw reason exists

47:12

as to make a mommy safari knock off

47:14

like i just don't care like you

47:16

know that

47:17

that doesn't need to be like praised

47:20

or you know shown as beneficial

47:22

to to the community or

47:25

know hey look at a three dollar allow me safari

47:27

like it's like why do

47:29

they exist like who are they bringing something

47:31

to the table more than hey we're good copying

47:34

other people's products and that's kind of my

47:36

mind right know

47:38

a personal thing right

47:40

if if there's so

47:44

you know i'm creative

47:46

as to all they do is copy other

47:48

products i don't have time for them but

47:51

if you can if you're brand that

47:53

makes your own products and even

47:55

though maybe you have some other alex

47:57

in your lineup that are

47:59

more

47:59

questionable of origin out

48:02

and say okay yeah maybe i'll

48:04

look at it but like i'm just not excited

48:06

to rush out and talk about these just

48:08

because i don't care that much either i don't i

48:11

don't think it's inspiring are interesting

48:13

and those are not the businesses i want to support i

48:15

have many many more businesses

48:18

i can choose where i can choose to spend my money

48:20

at the same time i will never

48:24

in dem anyone else for using this right

48:27

i just want right that's not my place

48:29

like i can we can try to like discuss

48:32

and educate but i'm you

48:34

know as long as the company that do anything illegal

48:36

as think some people would probably

48:38

think maybe that's questionable like

48:41

what are you gotta do like really might like what

48:43

are you gonna do about pen like you and i

48:45

what are we gonna do like literally nothing

48:48

so if you gonna get and it works

48:50

for you and you

48:52

got a pen that you enjoy for one a to the

48:54

price like i'm i'm genuinely

48:56

i hope you enjoy your pen like i'm i'm

48:58

happy for you that you found a product that you might like

49:01

good with that but then it's

49:03

for me the story end there

49:07

so i for

49:10

, i don't know much

49:13

aaron thing is that is think if somebody is created

49:15

something it's theirs the

49:18

people should not be able to take from

49:20

it the

49:23

can the

49:25

moon and get if this is accurate

49:28

they get to benefit from the what

49:30

the pilot of done no

49:34

real green the

49:37

night where there's no reason why movement

49:39

should be able to have this advantage and

49:43

they can charge things cheaper if they haven't

49:45

had to do any product development of

49:49

course they can charge cheaper for many reasons for one

49:51

of them as if they didn't actually do

49:54

the design work on this product

49:56

is it removes some of the martin my

49:59

big

49:59

the

50:01

and a feeling about copycat stuff

50:04

keyboards so

50:07

there's a lot so much

50:12

sir in

50:15

cable production is a lot of like high

50:17

quality he caps of beautiful designs they

50:20

can take long time to produce specially

50:23

, the way to things been of last couple years you

50:25

know i products that i will be waiting

50:27

on and have weighed on over a year for because

50:30

but then copy cat companies come in

50:32

and they producer was quality product

50:34

with the same colors they

50:37

can deliver it to you foster select

50:39

our products the i put on order in on

50:42

months ago the i already have

50:44

a fake version of his i want even though i probably won't

50:46

get real version for like

50:48

six seven months then

50:50

i just think that that's nice

50:52

i think it's personally think

50:55

people should be allowed to do that because

50:57

that somebody is like that are

50:59

that they made and then there are these like

51:02

copycat products that out there i don't

51:04

agree that and i would never i

51:06

personally never buy any of these clowns

51:10

referred to in in the cable company like

51:12

clunky humps i would

51:14

never do it do it people that do i'm

51:17

one of the reasons people buy them frequently

51:19

like sometimes some of the only

51:21

suffers in stock the for me

51:24

like me like like if you're aware of but the fact

51:26

that this is a clone and you buy it like i've

51:28

got time for that

51:30

the right pretty bad to be honest

51:32

so yeah to me

51:34

like the deciding factor in

51:37

how i think about these things in this personal

51:39

so i it just takes

51:41

it this way i care

51:44

what the businesses intent is

51:46

i'm buying from right

51:48

that's the number thing i don't care where

51:51

products made don't care what

51:53

it looks like i don't care what the price

51:55

point is i care that

51:58

the people making the products

52:02

our

52:03

invested in the

52:06

customer experience of the product of they're

52:08

making not just like churning out widgets

52:11

know mindlessly seeing

52:13

what we can knock off today right that's

52:15

more how i look at it than

52:19

anything else right so

52:21

that that's kind of my take and then second

52:23

to that i also

52:25

unites you know knock

52:27

any one for using any product

52:30

that they find enjoyment from

52:34

the complicated it is it's a very

52:37

complicated that's why i don't mind bringing

52:39

this topic up you know every so

52:41

often because like it's it's not going

52:43

away right so it's just

52:45

a matter of how you think about it i will maybe

52:48

the it's hot sauce and and like from

52:50

my perspective if you are if

52:52

you know that it's a ripoff

52:54

of a product from a smaller

52:56

company

52:59

the as really bad habits it

53:01

is hurting this the it amy

53:04

, is a whole like continuation right

53:07

it is cool it is damaging

53:10

great

53:13

at the same time is the question

53:16

also that

53:18

like what other people know that does that

53:20

this you know original product existed

53:23

i think it's disrespectful it

53:25

absolutely is to somebody work

53:28

then you are encouraging

53:31

a continuation of this kind of theft

53:34

right so that's where it goes back to my original

53:37

statement of like what is the intent

53:39

of this business like

53:41

that where i wrap that's where i'm i'm

53:44

personally able to wrap this all up what

53:46

is this business why is

53:48

purpose of existence of this business i'm

53:52

able to delineate that a lot of people

53:54

don't have that

53:57

forethought or knowledge base

53:59

to

53:59

the product and

54:02

go a click

54:04

hi

54:06

yeah like it that's not good it's

54:09

, to say like you know

54:12

it is it is damaging to is businesses

54:15

also other customers

54:17

don't know there was up there

54:19

is a real product at despotic came

54:22

from at same types of it it it's

54:24

it's painful it's painful those creators

54:27

for sure like even for the big companies like

54:29

pilate like it's painful like i'm sure they've

54:32

you know have legal means to go about

54:34

doing things so yeah this is a very complicated

54:36

conversation and you can talk yourself in circles

54:38

talking about it but that's of

54:41

how i base the trying to

54:43

bite have a like a single

54:45

base of how i think about

54:47

it is like what is the intent of

54:49

the business

54:51

you know where they looking to come into

54:53

the fountain and community and you

54:55

know raise raise the level of

54:58

discourse you

55:00

, make make the world better police make

55:03

it is not just line pockets of other

55:05

people's work right

55:08

there you go it's it's a whole it's a whole

55:10

thing so yeah don't don't copy

55:12

other people's work if

55:16

you have a question on the topic you like the arrows wisconsin

55:18

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55:20

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55:22

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55:24

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55:27

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55:29

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55:31

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55:33

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55:36

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55:38

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55:40

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55:45

spoke to dot com that's when i was looking

55:47

for i am and

55:49

bike yeah i might

55:51

also be on w on y c

55:54

next monday we might not have we might

55:56

to talk about that i am doing it mike

55:58

so i i'm pretty certain if anyone's

56:00

listen to the end of the show than you'll probably want

56:02

to hear this if you've knocked out by now you probably wouldn't try

56:04

to listen to any way but this is probably

56:07

fall out office ladies yes this know

56:09

them came from appear hundred percent of light candles

56:11

on say the same day i dropped my can

56:13

i got contacted by a w n y

56:15

c which the in be npr station

56:17

out of new york i will allegedly

56:21

appearing monday afternoon at one pm up with the

56:23

sat on my social ah

56:25

secret com listen i'll be doing a live

56:27

q and a about pins monday

56:30

afternoon wrote about world then

56:33

i just i really this is likely

56:35

act as i'm record on grade then lesser

56:37

, really you don't want me for

56:40

you want it read like frauds the

56:42

person you want so i'm really happy that

56:44

that happy you do in so stay tuned

56:47

if it if it works will have follow up on

56:49

but since we were bree won't be recording before

56:52

be have the appearance i wanted to south that south

56:54

or as out as as tuned in

56:56

i will put something on twitter at least two

56:59

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