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have sex, have

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you ever given someone like a fake number in

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high school. I did there actually hotline thing. That's

1:01

so mean. I know

1:03

a person who doesn't like getting rejected. That's

1:06

a horrible thing to do. Am you

1:09

have a trouble with life? Won't

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let me give you some Hey?

1:16

What's up? I'm Cody co and welcome to the

1:18

Pleasure Is Ours, the podcast

1:20

in which we examine some of the worst advice

1:22

people hear their whole lives and try to make

1:24

it better. Today

1:27

on the show, we're gonna talk about the phrase always

1:29

play hard to get. This one

1:31

is a complicated one because, you know, playing

1:33

hard to get in general can be completely subjective.

1:36

You know, I'm saying one person's I think they're

1:38

playing hard to get can be another person's

1:40

I'm thinking about getting a restraining order here

1:43

to help me pick apart this piece of advice. You

1:45

know her from YouTube, her podcast Anything

1:47

Goes the Time One Next List, and

1:49

perhaps the fact that she's been named one of the top

1:52

twenty most influential people on the

1:54

Internet. I'm talking, of course, about

1:56

my friend, the one and only, Emma Chamberlain. Welcome,

1:58

Emma, thanks for coming on the show. Thank you for

2:00

having me. This is not our first podcast

2:02

together. Unfortunately, we did one

2:05

a long time ago, and I was like, I mean unfortunately

2:08

because when I watched that podcast

2:10

again, Cody, I want to jump

2:13

off a bridge, just send my

2:15

body off the bridge, like it is the cringe

2:17

eest thing I've ever seen in myself because

2:19

I was so scared of you. But I'm

2:21

no longer scared of you, and I'm very excited. Thank you for having

2:23

me back after you

2:25

having to deal with my you know, crazy,

2:29

Am I not scary anymore? I don't understand.

2:31

No, No, you think just because you're on the Time

2:34

Next list and you were named the most

2:37

influential people on the entirety

2:39

of the Internet that all of a sudden

2:41

you're what you're Oh yeah,

2:47

okay, do you want me to just tell you you're so

2:49

scary to me? And like, Cody, you intimidate me.

2:51

I was crying before we started. I

2:53

can do that. No. Actually,

2:55

to be honest, there is something intimidating

2:57

about you in general, but I feel like I've moved

3:00

to pass. Yeah. I don't know what it

3:02

is. I don't know what it is, Cody. I am not intimidated

3:04

by a lot of people. Maybe it's the hair that's

3:07

exactly it, and that's scary for me,

3:09

being somebody who doesn't really have my hair situation

3:11

figured out. Um, it's scary

3:13

to see you have it so figured out

3:15

and I feel like you know something I don't, and I fucking

3:17

hate it. So that's what it is.

3:20

That is what it is so ignoring because

3:22

this is this is a podcast. People listening can't see

3:24

my hair. You just have to trust it's fucking beautiful.

3:26

I was excited to do this with you because I know the

3:29

first podcast you said about of

3:31

the words in that hour or maybe it

3:34

was like an hour and a half or something like that, I didn't really have to say

3:36

much, which is a podcast host dream

3:39

is to not say anything and have the guests just take

3:41

it away. And so I'm wondering

3:43

is today is going to be like that too? You

3:45

know? I feel like this is so interesting

3:47

because I looked back at

3:50

it relatively recently in our I

3:53

mean, I couldn't watch more than about three seconds of

3:55

it. But when I get nervous,

3:57

I don't shut down. I do the

3:59

opposite. I just word vomit. And

4:02

because I'm less nervous now I'm going to talk

4:04

less, which is weird because you think it'd be the opposite.

4:08

But I feel like we're going to have a nice

4:10

fifty fifty banter. I'm

4:12

really hoping for that. Um, I don't

4:14

want to, you know, this is your thing, right, I don't want to. I

4:17

don't want to take over. I know you feel

4:19

free, No, I feel free. As

4:21

I said, I'm I'm trying to kick back and just

4:24

just enjoy it. You know. You know, like you

4:26

you host a podcast, do you have guests? Just

4:29

just me? Do you feel like when you're recording episodes

4:32

of that podcast, you're like you're like looking

4:34

at the time and you're like, fuck, is this good?

4:36

And you're worried about filling it up with great stuff. And

4:38

then but then when you're a guest on someone else's podcast,

4:40

it's just a breeze. You're like, wait, an hour's gone

4:42

by already with a thousand percent. And I don't

4:45

know why. I think it's because when

4:47

I do it, I'm coming up with the concept.

4:49

I'm like in charge

4:51

of all of that. But when somebody else gets

4:53

to ask the questions, it's a dream come

4:56

true. You don't have to think, you just you

4:58

just go. It's great that being said, let me

5:00

ask you this. I feel like we should all

5:02

know this, But what are some telltale signs someone

5:05

is legitimately not into you and

5:07

not just playing hard to get right?

5:09

You you start seeing someone you're like and

5:12

then they don't text you for a while, and you're like, is

5:14

this the standard period of time where you're not supposed

5:16

to text? Or are they just dipping? Are

5:18

they ghosts? I feel

5:20

like for me, I'm

5:23

somebody I hate texting. First. I

5:25

hate it. Um. I almost

5:27

never do it in the beginning of relationships

5:29

or anything. But I know that

5:32

they're not into it when a little

5:34

bit of time goes by and you make a

5:36

little bit of effort and they give nothing back.

5:39

Because usually if somebody's playing hard to get but

5:41

you take a stab at it, they'll

5:44

like bite the line, you know what I'm

5:46

saying. But if they don't give you anything,

5:49

I'm like, Okay, you either are being an asshole

5:52

or you're just not into it, and I don't want

5:54

to be a part of it. I don't like games at all,

5:56

Right, you don't like games? No?

5:59

No, what if it was the complete opposite. What if

6:01

they just sent you like they

6:03

were like, I'm super fucking into you. Blah

6:06

blah blah. What's that Is that like attractive

6:08

or no? Because I feel like for me, that is

6:10

attractive. Like if someone shows their interest right

6:12

away, up front and it's just like unabashed

6:15

about it, I'm down for that. I want

6:17

passion, you know what I'm saying. I'm the same

6:19

way. And so many people think

6:22

that that's like terrifying. And

6:24

I can see that if the person

6:26

that's giving that attention

6:29

is like somebody I'm not

6:31

into at all, then whatever. But

6:33

if I even have a little bit of interest and I'm getting

6:36

that type of attention, I'm hyped

6:38

about it. It's a compliment to me. I'm

6:40

like, wow, they really care, Like

6:43

that's great and rare. I

6:45

crave that. When somebody's playing hard to

6:47

get I get tired and insecure and scared,

6:50

like I don't want to have anything to do with it. So

6:53

yeah, I'm like, this just makes me feel

6:55

bad. I don't know. I'm very sensitive

6:57

and that's like in those situations like rejection

7:00

to me from guys

7:03

ruins me. Yeah, yeah,

7:05

I mean me too. I'm the same way. And I also

7:07

think it goes hand in hand with the fact that I'm like an

7:09

ego maniac. So when someone is validating

7:12

that, I'm like, yes, I wasn't

7:14

wrong. I do fucking rule. I

7:17

knew I ruled. I've been telling myself that my entire

7:19

life, and this person now thinks I also rule,

7:21

and they're letting me know that, and so that's now. That's

7:23

like, uh, you know, it finishes the circle

7:26

of yes, my ego, you know. But when

7:28

someone rejects me, I'm like, oh, wait, was I wrong my whole

7:30

life? Do I not do? I not rule a thousand

7:32

percent? And it's like, what do they see that I don't see?

7:34

Like, I feel like I'm pretty great a thousand percent?

7:37

I agree, and my parents like, I'm

7:39

cool. They've been telling me that since I was

7:41

a baby, you know. Yeah. Can

7:44

I tell you my the most clear, the

7:46

most clearest sign that I've ever

7:49

received from someone that wasn't interested. Okay,

7:52

hmm, this is true. I went

7:54

to a date function in college with

7:57

Bruce Springsteen's daughter and

8:01

I got set up. It was like a you

8:03

know, she was like newly single or something like that,

8:05

and it was like a fraternity function or

8:07

something like that, and so someone set me up with her. I've

8:10

never met her before, but I was kind of like I was

8:12

nervous. She was pretty out of my leak. But

8:14

I don't even think she knew what I looked

8:16

like. I think she's just like, I need a fucking date. And this

8:18

person said they'll come with me. So great, But

8:21

I kind of thought maybe there's still a shot, you know, maybe

8:23

i'll charm her a little bit. I'll say a couple

8:25

of jokes and she'll be into it, you know. And

8:29

so we go to this date function, and then during

8:31

dinner or something like that, just like leaves. And

8:34

then later it turns into like a you know, like a

8:36

club night or whatever. And then I look on the dance

8:38

floor and she's making out with this like

8:40

very tall dude with very long

8:43

hair, similar to mine right now, and

8:46

and so I thought, yeah, that's I don't think

8:48

she's playing hard to get right there. I think that is legitimately

8:51

she has no interesting to me at all, and she actually likes

8:53

the dude that she's making out with. Probably see

8:55

this has happened to me as well, like almost

8:57

the same situation. You

9:00

know, I thought I didn't really like this guy at

9:02

all, Like it was more just like he's cool,

9:04

whatever, we're talking whatever, and

9:07

it was the same thing. Like there was a party and

9:09

I was there. He invited me and

9:11

I was like cool, whatever, and

9:14

exact same thing happened. And honestly,

9:16

I didn't care because I didn't care about him. But I

9:19

was like, fuck,

9:23

I don't know. That's the worst look at

9:25

us, just getting fucking rejected,

9:28

rejected. It sucks. We're

9:31

too We're like, we're too cool. We're

9:33

too fucking cool. They it makes him feel

9:35

bad about themselves. So they have to go I

9:38

have to go make out with like the opposite

9:40

of each of us. That's always

9:42

the worst feeling too, and it's like the opposite of what

9:44

you are, Like that's the worst stab.

9:46

Like this girl was so the opposite of me, and

9:49

so it was just like God, it's

9:51

like I can't even be that if I wanted, she wasn't

9:53

on the list more

9:58

like you know, I was brunette. She was want.

10:00

But you know what I mean, the

10:02

dude, the dude that she was making out with, it was like a

10:05

like he's like a lax bro. He's tall,

10:08

Like you know, I don't I don't know where he's from.

10:10

And I mean, I think he's a nice guy, but I mean he's

10:12

just, you know, opposite of me at the time. Now, I do

10:14

have kind of laxy hair. You

10:16

kind of are a lax bro right now. You're giving me that. I

10:18

know, I keep talking about the hair, but I'm like staring

10:20

at myself in the zoom call. I

10:22

can't help it. You know, it's the eagle thing again.

10:25

No, I'm this. I literally pined myself

10:28

on zooms and I

10:31

fucking hope that nobody can see that. Like

10:35

you, like you don't go to gallery view,

10:37

you go to just the one and it's just you.

10:40

I'm yeah, and I'm like looking

10:43

to be like oh, and I mean, is I can

10:45

still hear them like ship's getting done.

10:47

It's just I don't I don't know. I don't want to

10:49

be all in their business. Also, it's like

10:51

I do have a phobia of like having some sort

10:54

of embarrassing like booger,

10:56

Like aren't pit sweat stain like I

10:59

in any scenario, But on zoom, I feel like it's

11:01

amplified and somebody could screenshot and

11:04

got to be careful. Oh yeah, yeah, you could go yeah

11:07

yeah, they could screen record and then you could go viral

11:09

on barstool or whatever. Um,

11:12

I funny or something. Here, imagine your

11:14

business someone you're on a business call with

11:16

exposes you for a fucking armpit

11:18

booger. Is that what you said? I

11:21

said a booger or armt pit stain, But you know what I

11:23

mean. No, I don't know why I

11:25

have that. I also constantly feel like

11:28

I'm being watched, so which is a story

11:30

for another day. But that's why I'm always

11:32

like looking in a mirror. I I will never

11:35

let one eyebrow hair be out of place.

11:37

Do you know what I'm saying? Do you feel like you're being

11:39

watched? Okay, that's a thing. No

11:41

I do. Okay, good, I do.

11:43

But I don't care about what I look like. Okay.

11:46

So, like, if someone's like peeping

11:49

in here right now, I'm not gonna like fix myself

11:51

for them. They can see the shitty

11:53

side of me, you know, well, right, they

11:55

don't deserve the put

11:57

together code because they're

11:59

fucking in your privacy and they're keeping

12:01

Tom and they're a little bit creepy. Anyways, you know right

12:04

now, that makes sense, that's very true. Have

12:06

you ever purposely left someone

12:09

on red, like even like a potential

12:11

like someone that you might have been interested in or maybe

12:14

not. Have you a ghosted anyone? Have

12:16

you ever? You know, just straight up given

12:18

someone like a fake number, just oh

12:21

yeah, I okay, So I've definitely given a fake

12:23

number. I don't know. I used to have fun with that in

12:26

high school. I did the rejection hotline thing, where

12:28

like you give them this fake

12:30

number and then if they call it or text it,

12:33

it sends something back and it's like you

12:35

were sent the rejection hotline, like

12:37

this person doesn't like you. So I used to do that's

12:39

the thing. Yeah, it was fucking epic

12:41

in high school. It was so fun. So

12:44

I used to do that. That's so mean. I

12:47

know a person who was not like getting rejected.

12:50

That's a horrible that's a horrible thing to do. No,

12:53

it was evil, but luckily like it

12:55

was like all my friends student. So I think morally

12:57

I didn't realize that that's fucking eve you've

13:00

been rejected. You have too many armpit boogers.

13:03

Literally, I like, so sad.

13:06

I have definitely left people on Red. My

13:08

fucked up head, right, my brain

13:11

will be like if I'm in kind

13:13

of a talking stage, I'll be like, I'll

13:15

leave someone on Red so that the powers in

13:17

my hands, and then I

13:19

can text again later

13:21

if I want or not, And

13:24

then if they want to talk more, they have to double

13:26

text. And I love

13:28

that. I love the feeling and I love

13:30

the power. I also, I mean, sometimes

13:32

I just genuinely don't want to talk to somebody and

13:34

I'll leave them on red I don't like. I mean,

13:37

I try to be nice, but if it's not

13:39

for me, I mean, I'm I'll just

13:42

ghost. I definitely have ghosted

13:44

a few times. Listen, I think ghosting is fine.

13:47

People. There's such a weird stigma

13:49

around ghosting. It's like, dude, how

13:52

easy it is in modern

13:54

times for us to communicate with one another. You

13:57

know the fact that you can just re

14:00

act to someone's story with a fucking

14:02

emoji with a picture that requires

14:05

zero percent thought? Right, How

14:08

easy it is for us to do these sort of things.

14:11

What's the difference between replying to someone's story

14:13

with an emoji and just not saying shit? Oh

14:15

yeah? And I mean, it's actually crazy the weight that it

14:17

holds, Like I

14:20

have started so many conversations

14:23

with guys from

14:25

something like that, especially in high

14:28

school, Like if a dude would slide

14:30

up on my Snapchat story and like comment

14:32

on it, like that's how every conversation

14:34

would start, and then they're I mean, like we're talking about public

14:37

flirting. Then there's um, you know what negging

14:39

is like when you negging is like when

14:41

you purposely make fun of someone when you're

14:43

trying to court them. So you but it's like

14:45

bordering on me in a little bit, Like you kind of

14:47

pick on their appearance and

14:50

you make them feel like ship so that they crave

14:52

your approval. That's

14:54

what negging is. What do you think of that? You know? That's actually

14:56

so interesting because I've never thought

14:59

about the psycholog g of it and the fact that like

15:02

that's such a good point, like that's

15:04

why people do that, so that when you

15:07

get the approval, you're like oh yeah, and

15:09

like whatever, that's fucked to me kind

15:11

of. But you know, I think it's actually

15:13

fun to a certain extent. I

15:16

participate. I think I pick on people

15:19

that I like to a certain a lot. I

15:21

mean not a lot, but I'm always very

15:23

picky about it and careful about it. And

15:26

it's always things that are very

15:29

surface level and have no potential

15:31

to hurt in any way. It's still

15:34

you know what I mean, personally I'm I overthink

15:36

everything, and I think every joke has

15:39

an element of real to it. So

15:42

if somebody says like something mean,

15:44

that's like I will literally go home

15:46

and be like, wait a minute, even though it's

15:49

a joke, like they thought about that for kind of a long

15:51

time and and like that's the first thing

15:53

that came to their mind, which means that it's probably true,

15:55

so like you know, and then it gets in my

15:58

head. But that when

16:00

people do it to me, but when I do it to them. I when

16:02

I was younger, I was pretty fucked up. I'd be fully

16:04

mean to feel like your shorts are fucking

16:07

ugly, they are so and you

16:09

suck at basketball, you're so dumb, and

16:11

the teacher hates you and you're stupid. But now

16:13

it's like, okay, you know what, I'm not

16:15

trying to like hurt this man's feelings.

16:18

Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. You can do it playfully,

16:20

which is great, But nagging, I feel like means more

16:22

like like, oh, you know, by the way your

16:24

breath smells like ass, And then oh no,

16:27

I fucking hate that because

16:29

how does okay, how are you supposed to react to that

16:32

by wanting them more, I guess, and that's

16:34

that that's their goal. Sometimes

16:36

with nay, like with nagging or whatever,

16:39

it's hard to laugh it off when you're receiving

16:42

and it's like because it's like, unless

16:44

it's genuinely funny, it's

16:47

sometimes it's just mean. And then it's like you have

16:49

to like brush it off and like laugh like it

16:51

was funny so it's not awkward, But then you're

16:53

like fake laughing about it, and that's just miserable.

16:55

I hate that, you know what

16:58

I mean? Yeah, maybe I should have told Bruce

17:00

Springsteen's daughter that her her dad's

17:03

songs suck ass. You

17:05

know your dad fucking he's so lame,

17:08

dude, I hate your dad. Um,

17:12

Okay, let me ask you a question. Is gen Z? You're

17:15

gen Z? I'm like right on the cusp, are

17:17

you? I think because I'm almost

17:19

twenty, I'm pretty sure

17:22

that's like solidly gen Z. Okay,

17:24

do you know what, Cody? I hate being gen Z.

17:27

So let's just let's just say I'm on

17:29

the cus far. But one above it is millennial.

17:31

You're definitely not a millennial. Oh. I don't want to be that either.

17:33

Fuck? What's wrong with that? I want to be

17:35

a senior citizen or something. I feel like they're chill

17:37

as fuck. Is gen Z

17:40

out there playing hard to get? Like they? I feel

17:42

like they approach everything better than millennials

17:44

because they just grew up ingrained with

17:46

this massive communication web. Do

17:49

they play hard to get or they're they just like, yeah,

17:51

I'm end you, let's do it, you know, I honestly

17:53

think it depends. Well.

17:55

It's actually interesting because I've talked to

17:59

a millennial and a gen Z and multiple

18:01

gen Z, multiple of each, and there is

18:03

a difference. Actually, I feel

18:05

like millennials are more straight up.

18:08

They're just like and maybe it's because they're older, but

18:10

I feel like they play less games to be honest,

18:12

at least from my experience, whereas

18:15

gen Z is like all over the

18:17

place, they're cheating, they're

18:19

lying, they care one day, they

18:22

don't care. The next day. They aren't even

18:24

trying to play hard to get. They

18:26

more just don't give a fuck. I feel like nobody

18:28

in my generation gives a fuck or has any

18:30

feeling. Dating in this age group

18:33

is so miserable

18:36

because everybody is nobody

18:38

wants to commit. Everybody's like

18:40

all over the place they're ghosting you one day, then they're

18:42

back the next. There's no consistency.

18:45

It's a mess. Yeah.

18:48

I don't envy. I don't envy you,

18:51

you know, but I'm

18:53

talk to you about this because you are a genuine person

18:55

and people see that that's one of the reasons why

18:57

you're so successful. And I feel like that also

19:00

will go far for you in the dating world.

19:03

I've done actually, I mean I've done bad, but I also

19:05

have done I've had good luck, like really like

19:07

I I've been able to find

19:10

ways to like look in other

19:13

kind of not my direct

19:16

space, do you know what I mean, Like, not other YouTubers,

19:19

not other social media people. I

19:22

try to go out of that now.

19:24

And I feel like that's worked so much better because

19:26

nobody really cares when they're not in it

19:29

here. Like if

19:31

you're talking to let's say, like an actor, they're

19:33

not going to care about YouTube

19:37

as much. They just don't

19:39

care. So then it's

19:41

like it's like you got it's there's not that

19:43

superficial element. And to be honest, like I'm not

19:45

that into movies, so like if I

19:47

am talking to and I'm not talking to an actor, but if

19:50

I was, like then it's fine,

19:52

Like I genuinely don't watch movies, so I don't

19:54

give a funk what movie you've been Like, Babe,

19:57

man, being on set was so hard. Today craft

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service has really sucked. You're like, I don't give a ship. I

20:01

have a brand deal to fucking take care of. All right.

20:04

Literally, I'm like, my sea geek is

20:06

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20:08

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20:11

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20:13

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20:15

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20:18

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20:20

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22:16

Okay, here's my best attempt at fixing this

22:18

one. Don't play hard to get.

22:21

Don't play easy to get, play

22:23

fun to get that

22:27

okay, right, There's zero shame in

22:29

showing someone that you're interested in them from the get

22:32

go. But when in doubt go buy the

22:34

famous acronym dB A f

22:36

C. Don't be a fucking creed. That's also true

22:38

death

22:43

love that. What I'm saying is show show interest,

22:45

but do it with tact right. Don't like in comment on

22:47

every picture. Don't reach out consecutive

22:50

times without a response. You know trip, I'm

22:52

talking quadruple, quintuple text.

22:55

Don't buy them a diamond necklace after your

22:57

first Macha date. Um, the chase

22:59

can be one of the best parts of a new thing,

23:01

right, so make it fun, keep it light. Sure

23:04

you might have visions of dropping your future children

23:06

off at college with the person at your side after

23:08

meeting them initially. But just play a cool

23:10

and remember de bath Bath.

23:14

Is there anything you'd like to add to that? I

23:16

mean, the way you put it was fucking

23:18

perfect. But I also think the other thing

23:20

is I had to learn this the hard

23:23

way. You will embarrass

23:25

yourself if you don't just follow

23:27

your fucking instinct. If you're like, oh,

23:30

I need to comment on every photo so

23:32

that they know that, No, just do it when

23:34

it makes sense. Don't strategize

23:37

anything. It's make it simple.

23:39

Have fun and the bath, Bath,

23:42

have fun and bath. There are people

23:45

with shitty instincts, though I

23:47

don't know that's a good point. Like some people

23:49

their instinct is to literally text five

23:51

thousand times in a row, and I don't funk

23:53

with anyone like that, and I refuse to

23:56

associate with them. So that's

23:59

you hold on. Maybe if they follow that

24:01

instinct, then they'll find someone who likes

24:03

to be texted five thousand times in a row, and actually

24:05

it works out. That's honestly, I

24:08

think that there's people that like that. When

24:10

I really like a guy, to be honest, they could text

24:12

me fifty times, and I if I genuinely

24:14

really like them, and I would um

24:16

fifties a lot. But if I

24:18

get like double texted though by a guy that I

24:20

like, I love it. It makes me feel good. Yeah.

24:23

No, I agree. We talked at the beginning, but like, I want to see

24:25

the passion that me and Kelsey right off the bat were like.

24:28

I was unabashed about it. I was like,

24:30

I said that we had our first date

24:32

and night. On the first date, I said, I have tickets

24:34

to a concert tomorrow. Do you want to come to

24:36

the concert? And we did

24:38

a we did a second date the very next

24:41

day, and so that I

24:43

could have you know, played a cool a little bit. But what's

24:45

that happened? You know, we both knew. I think

24:47

when it's a genuine connection, you don't have to play those

24:50

games. I really do. Yeah,

24:52

yeah, I think that's true. I think that's definitely

24:54

true.

24:58

What's the worst advice you've ever received

25:01

in general or with dating? Okay,

25:05

you know what, I would say the worst

25:07

advice and this actually kind of does relate

25:09

to this topic, and I think it might just be because that's on my

25:11

mind, But I think the worst

25:14

advice would kind of be to play

25:16

hard to get because I remember in one relationship

25:18

when I was way younger, I did that.

25:21

I was playing hard to get with this guy that I genuinely

25:23

really liked, and this fits way too perfectly

25:25

with it, but it really is on my brain. It I just thought

25:27

about it. I mean, like me

25:30

not giving affection in a relationship

25:32

and playing hard to get in a relationship caused

25:35

of the breakup because this guy thought

25:37

I hated him, but I was always

25:39

like, well, I want him to like me and

25:41

so, and it ruined a relationship, which honestly,

25:43

I'm so glad I got ruined because that ship was not good

25:45

anyway. But like at the time, I

25:48

was like, I totally funked this up because I

25:51

literally would never text him first,

25:53

like never, whatever, and that's

25:55

fucked. I feel like that is the classic

25:58

plot line of like every

26:01

high school romance movie is

26:03

someone tells the kid who's interested in

26:05

the girl or whatever to be a dick play

26:08

hard to get, and then the girl is always like, well,

26:10

what the fund this guy clearly doesn't isn't into it,

26:12

and then later he's like, no, I was, I'm sorry.

26:14

I just my friend told me to be an asshole.

26:17

That is exactly what fucking happened

26:19

to me. So and that's

26:21

that was bad advice. I mean, to be honest, I

26:24

think the reason why I'm struggling with this

26:26

question is because half the time when people give

26:28

me advice, I in one

26:30

ear out the other. You know what I mean.

26:32

I I really am the type of

26:34

person that needs to touch the stove

26:37

to believe that it's hot. And so yeah, I'm

26:39

the same way. I just like somebody

26:41

could give me the best advice and be like, m

26:44

that's super unfortunate because I'm gonna go do exactly

26:46

what you told me not to do. I wish I was better

26:48

at listening to advice from people,

26:51

like when I know in my gut that it's real,

26:53

because I'm the same way someone tells

26:55

me the stove is hot and I and I

26:57

feel in my gut that they're right, which

27:00

a lot of the times I do someone gives me advice and I respect

27:02

them and I know they're probably they're probably spitting

27:05

truth at me. I'll still

27:07

go touch the fucking thing same and it's because

27:09

I have to know. Yeah, And that's

27:11

like the I learned the hard way, you know. I think

27:14

it's good. I don't think that that's a bad thing necessarily.

27:16

I think there's growth in that, a lot of growth in

27:18

that. Okay,

27:20

how would you feel about doing the lightning round

27:24

I'm gonna get I'm gonna name two people of

27:26

note, and you have to tell me who you'd rather take advice

27:28

from. In this scenario, you have

27:31

to take advice from one of them, and you have to tell

27:33

me why you're choosing one over the other. Okay, perfect,

27:35

Jaden Smith or Tyler the Creator. Tyler

27:38

the Creator because

27:41

I just feel like he's so funny that he would

27:43

give me advice. That would Okay. Sometimes

27:45

when people give you advice, they're like

27:49

so fucking

27:51

annoying about it and so preachy about it,

27:53

right, and I don't like that. And I feel

27:55

like Tyler would

27:57

give you advice in a funny way. And I absorbed

28:00

information better when it makes me laugh, and I

28:02

think he would really do that. Words.

28:04

I feel like Jaden Smith might be a little

28:06

bit more on the preachier side of things, and I think

28:08

that that would make me feel stupid

28:10

and bad about myself. And I can tell because of all

28:12

of his capital letters in every

28:15

Instagram caption before every

28:17

word. It shows me that he knows something I

28:19

don't. That intimidates me. I don't even want to

28:21

know what his brain looks like inside

28:23

his captains and capital letters. Yeah, he

28:25

like. I remember one time I stalked him, like a few months

28:28

ago because I found some songs by him that I

28:30

liked and I never listened. And then I look at

28:32

his Instagram and it's like every first

28:34

letter of every word was capital and I was like, this man

28:36

is like he got another eye open

28:38

somewhere that I don't because like, how

28:41

do you who? What's going on? Um?

28:44

Anyway, But that's how

28:46

he gives advice to exactly,

28:48

and that's too much letters. Literally,

28:52

No, No, it's

28:55

the first letter of every word. So it's not the full

28:57

word that I

29:00

hate that, that's what he does. Hate

29:02

that. Why do people

29:04

do that? I don't know it does. It

29:06

can't seem a little like it's the fucking

29:08

name of a restaurant or some ship. You don't it's

29:11

not a you know, proper noun or whatever the fuck. It's

29:13

also exhausting to type, like it's so genuinely

29:16

tying to type something like that. Yeah, okay,

29:18

Logan Paul or Bill Night the science guy. Do

29:22

you know, Oh my

29:24

god, yeah, I would say

29:26

Bill Night just because I

29:29

don't know that that was definitely a

29:31

hard one. Um. Actually,

29:35

I well, okay, you know

29:37

that Bill Night would have like the sweetest, fucking,

29:40

most endearing advice ever. Although

29:43

I'm going to be real with you, I would love

29:45

to see what

29:48

kind of advice Logan would give, because

29:50

I I don't know what

29:53

if he just blew us out of

29:55

the water and gave us some sort of crazy

29:58

you know deep you

30:00

know, I don't know. I bet you

30:02

his advice would just be like, just go for it, just do it. Just

30:05

that's that's that's very true. There's

30:07

nothing wrong with that. I just think that's that's what he's like.

30:09

It's also like everything he's done has been successful,

30:11

so it's kind of hard for him not to be

30:13

like, just try and do

30:15

a lot of push ups. Yeah, and punch people

30:18

and you got this, let's go.

30:21

Yeah. No, Bill may are

30:23

on a Grande or a Grande Starbucks pumpkin

30:25

spice latte. You

30:27

know, I'm gonna go with the pumpkin spice latte because

30:30

I uh,

30:32

well, actually it's just a Grande and it

30:34

was a nt different, so I'm actually gonna go with Ariana

30:37

Grande. Okay, Leonardo

30:39

DiCaprio or me, Cody co I

30:41

have this weird Okay, listen, Leonardo

30:43

DiCaprio is probably a great guy.

30:46

Okay, I don't know. I

30:48

don't think he's listening. I think you can, you can be honest.

30:50

I know, I just I really sorry,

30:52

Leo. I know that you I know you fucking

30:55

tracked me down on every platform. Relax, but

30:57

um, did you

31:00

no? You?

31:04

No? He Okay, he just scares

31:07

the ship out of me, and I feel like his advice would

31:09

also be terrible considering. Okay, I

31:11

have like a fear of people who maybe

31:14

kind of peaked, like he definitely peaked during

31:16

Titanic, right, Okay,

31:19

I mean, okay,

31:21

Well he peeked at this young

31:24

age, and now I feel like he's jaded and

31:27

because he was a heart throb, and like you know, I have

31:30

a fear of heart throbs. I

31:32

think that they're evil and I think that

31:34

like the women love them too much

31:36

and now they're assholes. And I think his advice would

31:38

be shitty. Cody, you are a great guy, and I

31:40

stand by that. I would like your advice instead. You

31:43

have a you have a heart throb. Yeah,

31:45

no, really, I think the most like

31:47

heart throbs, Like, I mean, I loved magcon

31:50

back and like that's

31:52

terrifying to me. Now, you know, it's

31:55

scary to see everything. All

31:59

right, we've so we've talked about the worst advice

32:01

you've received. But before you

32:03

take off, what is the worst advice that you've ever

32:05

given someone? No, here's

32:09

the bad advice that I've given. This happened

32:11

recently, and I have this

32:13

bad habit where I'm always the type to be

32:15

like, you know, just say how you're feeling, do

32:17

whatever you want, go crazy whatever. I

32:21

knew that this guy that my

32:23

friend was talking to was a douche bag, but

32:26

she wanted to hang out with him. So I told

32:29

her to ask him to hang out and I

32:31

eat, knowing deep down that he

32:33

might be a dick about it and it might hurt her feelings,

32:35

but she wanted to. So I was like, you know what,

32:37

doing right? And it

32:40

went like completely wrong.

32:42

I mean like it was just like every time I tell somebody,

32:45

I if I read somebody's character, like

32:47

let's say it's a dude for my friend or whatever,

32:50

and like even if they're an asshole,

32:52

I'll just tell people. I almost

32:54

tell people to like touch the stove.

32:57

That's what I'm trying to say. I will like push

32:59

people in maybe the wrong

33:01

direction, knowing that they're gonna

33:04

possibly get hurt, but it's harmless

33:06

because I know that they're going to learn something from it. That's,

33:09

in my opinion, bad advice because I'm

33:11

almost on purpose giving them bad advice.

33:13

Yeah, but that's do you know what I mean? Yeah, but then it ends

33:15

up being good advice. I know you're

33:18

does that good at give me advice. You can't come

33:20

up with bad advice. Bad advice is

33:22

disguised as good advice. Holy

33:24

sh it. That makes me look like such a I

33:28

don't know, I literally care a profit, wasn't.

33:32

I get a lot of cameos from people that

33:34

are like, oh, Mi'm turning twenty,

33:37

give me some advice. Or I'm graduating

33:39

college, give me some advice, And I never know

33:41

what to say. But now I'm going to say, touch

33:43

the stove. Touch the stove.

33:46

I'm gonna get that tatted on me somewhere, even

33:48

if it's glowing red, even if it's touch

33:50

it, but just not like maybe

33:53

metaphorically though, so they're

33:56

like Honestly, I feel like somebody if I got a cameo

33:58

from you and you told me to touch to stove, I

34:01

would unfortunately probably do it

34:03

and just be like Cody of

34:05

course. So I yeah,

34:08

as long as they know it's a metaphor, you know, actually

34:11

no, don't, don't tell them. If they're dumb enough to do

34:13

it, then that's their loss. If

34:15

we've learned anything from this episode, it's take your

34:17

advice, not mine. I think that's I

34:20

think that's what we've learned. And de Bath

34:24

all right, I think that I'll do it for this episode.

34:26

Um, I want to thank Emma Chamberlain so

34:29

much for joining us. I think we solved another

34:31

one here, and I mean, I know you've

34:33

only been on one episode, but if we're keeping track,

34:36

I think I'm four for four at this point, which

34:38

is huge for me. And I

34:40

couldn't have kept a street going without U, Emma, So I

34:42

appreciate you being here. Is there anything

34:45

that you want to plug right now? My

34:47

podcast? Well, first, thank you, this

34:49

was my pleasure and

34:52

U. My podcast

34:54

is called Anything Goes and

34:58

my name's Emma Chamberlain. You can find me everywhere

35:00

under that name. And that's about it perfect,

35:03

all right, thanks Cody, Yeah, thank you later

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