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Prosecutors"] Hello

2:11

everybody and welcome to this episode

2:13

of the Prosecutors. I'm Brett and

2:15

I'm joined as always by my

2:17

bomb co-host, Alice. Hey

2:20

Brett, you know who's looking bomb

2:23

tonight? You. You

2:25

guys who are not watching on YouTube, you're

2:27

really missing out on the full affect. Let's

2:29

just say that Brett was

2:31

late tonight. He said it was because he was putting

2:33

his kids to bed. I beg to differ.

2:36

He's currently looking at me with

2:38

some aviators and a cigarette hanging

2:41

off his lip because

2:43

he's in full character, let's be honest, and

2:45

a bourbon, obviously a bourbon. It's going to

2:47

be a wild night y'all because we're going

2:49

to talk about who Brett is. Let

2:51

me just say this bourbon

2:54

is Woodinville from Washington

2:57

state. I am fully in character. If

2:59

you've never had Woodinville bourbon, if you

3:01

can get your hands on it, basically

3:03

have to be on the West coast to do it

3:06

or it goes as far as Colorado, actually got this

3:08

in Colorado. Woodinville, fantastic.

3:11

Normally, I'm critical of bervens not made

3:13

in Kentucky. You can't be.

3:15

The Woodinville rye, just beautiful.

3:18

Beautiful. Check it out if

3:20

you get a chance. Wow. I

3:22

don't want to stand in your way Brett. Tonight

3:24

is your night. You have been thinking about who

3:27

DB Cooper is for I think longer than probably

3:29

I've been alive. Here

3:31

is your night. Here is your night is all I got to say. My

3:35

question is, was there a DuckTales, the

3:37

DB Cooper DuckTales? Because I feel like

3:39

I learned so much about history from

3:41

DuckTales. Now

3:44

that you say that, something went off in

3:46

my head, but I don't think

3:48

I knew it was DB Cooper when I watched it, if

3:50

that makes sense. By the way,

3:52

happy birthday, Alice. No, thank you. I

3:55

just ate some cake before I came up here. There

3:58

you go. That chocolate is going to hit. Oh,

4:00

hell you guys know what happens when the chocolate is. That's

4:03

when things get wild. Wild. It's

4:06

already pretty wild. You are DBQ for tonight, so I'm

4:08

not going to try to steal your thunder. You

4:11

know, speaking of DuckTales, I don't know if I've

4:13

told this story, but basically the reason my wife

4:15

and I are together is because

4:17

I watched DuckTales and they had the

4:19

Kentucky Derby. And so

4:22

then from a very small child, I always wanted

4:24

to go to the Kentucky Derby, and then

4:26

I met my wife and found out she was from

4:28

Kentucky. Obviously she wasn't my wife

4:30

at the time. And I was like, I have to, I

4:32

have to date this girl so that I can go to

4:34

the Kentucky Derby with her. And

4:36

by May of freshman year, I was in Kentucky for

4:38

the Kentucky Derby and now we're married. So there you

4:41

go. Just

4:45

the best real quick. Cause

4:48

people are being really nice in the chat.

4:50

No, I'd rather be than spending my birthday

4:52

with y'all. That's all. And

4:55

looking at Bret B and costume for my birthday.

4:57

I'm just going to assume you're dressed up for

4:59

my birthday. I'm dressed up your birthday. Okay.

5:02

Well, enough, enough talk. I

5:06

know everybody is so excited by

5:08

this. I'm excited by this. I hope you

5:10

guys have enjoyed talking about D.V. Cooper as

5:12

much as we have. I just want to

5:14

remind everybody, if you've loved this, I do

5:16

want to give some shout outs to just

5:18

some, some great other coverage of this case.

5:21

There's a Netflix documentary. It's fine, but

5:23

the max documentary is fantastic. You've got

5:25

to watch it. There are

5:28

some great books into the blast.

5:30

It's terrific. The last master outlaw,

5:32

great book riveting book, Skyjack, probably the

5:34

best book on DB Cooper. I have

5:36

read them all now. The

5:39

astonishing legends. We talk about

5:41

that podcast. Sometimes I really love that podcast. They

5:43

did some great episodes on DB Cooper. And

5:46

then the Cooper vortex, which is

5:48

a podcast dedicated to DB Cooper.

5:50

I don't know if they put out new episodes anymore,

5:52

but they've got tons. So if you've

5:54

loved this as much as we have, you know, don't

5:56

let this be your final DB

5:58

Cooper moment. There's so much more

6:01

to learn, but with that, it's

6:04

time guys. It's time to find

6:06

out. We will find out tonight. I

6:09

feel like Brett is not going to leave tonight until

6:11

he figures out who DB Cooper is. So buckle up

6:14

y'all cause it's going to be a long night. Okay.

6:16

Let's start with an

6:19

interesting theory that

6:21

the kids brought up when we went to

6:23

visit them and lit its own memory, which

6:26

I thought was great. And that's

6:28

the DB Cooper doesn't

6:30

exist. Not that he died.

6:33

He doesn't exist. He is a conspiracy.

6:38

Now you may be wondering, how

6:40

is that possible? There's a couple of possibilities there.

6:43

One is the inside man.

6:45

Right? So it's a situation where there is

6:48

somebody who's DB Cooper, but he's not really

6:50

the DB Cooper we all know and love

6:52

that jumped out of an airplane, but really

6:55

he's someone who was in cahoots with

6:57

the pilot, the co-pilot and

7:00

Tina Mucklow, the one

7:02

remaining stewardess. And then after

7:04

they got the money, they basically

7:06

hid him somewhere in the plane where

7:09

they knew wouldn't be searched and then got him

7:11

out later and split all the money because the

7:13

only evidence we have that he jumped out of

7:15

that plane is the testimony

7:18

of those three people and some

7:20

missing stuff would have been very easy just

7:22

to lower the stairs, throw

7:24

some parachutes out the

7:26

back and assume they'll never be found. So

7:29

that's one possible theory. Now I don't think

7:31

I have to tell you why

7:33

that one would be difficult

7:36

to pull off. Obviously you

7:38

have a heavy presence FBI

7:41

and police. You would think they would search the

7:43

plane very well. And obviously

7:45

we don't see Tina Mucklow

7:48

and the pilots all

7:50

of a sudden start living extravagant lifestyle. In fact, Tina

7:52

Mucklow ends up being a nun. So I don't

7:55

know about that. How was the nunnery funded?

8:00

There you go. See, I

8:02

like this conspiracy theory because there's kind of two

8:04

versions of that conspiracy theory. First

8:06

of all, very creative kids. Like talk about thinking

8:08

outside the box. There's like

8:10

the one conspiracy that they were in cahoots with

8:12

each other so that there were the three witnesses

8:14

and DB Cooper who was in cahoots. And

8:17

then there's also kind of we were talking about was

8:19

there ever a bomb? Was there ever even a DB

8:21

Cooper period? It could have just been the three of

8:23

them and they wouldn't have to hide

8:25

anyone at all because I would think it's harder

8:27

to fall off this conspiracy if you have to

8:29

hide a man somewhere in the plane after it

8:31

lands. But if there was no one to

8:33

begin with and he sat in the back

8:36

row and none of those passengers remember a

8:38

single person and maybe that college student who

8:40

had a crush on the stewardess, maybe he

8:42

just thought he knew who they were talking

8:45

about. But in fact, it was someone completely

8:47

different. Now there's a

8:49

twist on this conspiracy and that is

8:51

that the airline was actually in on

8:53

it. So why would

8:55

the airline hijack its own plane? Well, as

8:57

you may recall from the very first time

9:00

we started talking about this case, at

9:02

the time there was a big debate

9:04

in Congress about whether or

9:06

not there should be security at airports.

9:09

At this point, there was no security

9:12

and the airlines were in the midst of a

9:14

little bit of recession so they didn't want to

9:16

have to pay for it. They wanted Congress to

9:18

pay for it but Congress didn't want to pay

9:20

for it even though they're getting planes hijacked all

9:22

the time and they're having to pay ransoms, they're

9:24

having to fly to Havana. So

9:26

the theory is actually the airline was in

9:28

on it. Now what is some evidence of

9:30

that? Well, there's one big piece of evidence

9:32

and that's that the airline paid so quickly.

9:35

So the one thing about Northwest

9:37

Orient that everybody agreed on is

9:39

that it was one of the

9:42

most cheapskate nickel and dime airlines

9:44

out there. It was sometimes

9:47

called Cobra Airlines because

9:49

it would strike at anything. So the pilots,

9:52

everybody that worked for it was constantly on

9:54

strike because the company was so, so cheap.

9:56

To give you an example of something they

9:59

did, they took... all the doors

10:01

off of the bathroom stalls to

10:04

increase efficiency because they wanted people

10:06

to spend as little time as

10:09

possible in the stalls using the

10:11

bathroom. That is the kind of thing they

10:13

did at Northwest Orient to

10:15

cut costs. So the

10:17

fact that as soon as the hijacker

10:19

asked for money, they were like paid,

10:22

just struck everybody as that's

10:24

actually not what you would expect from these people. Peter Fennon

10:26

would be like, well give him 20, 20 bucks. Well

10:31

give him the stall doors. Yeah

10:33

exactly. They paid immediately. So that led some people

10:35

to think, you know, maybe they were in on

10:37

it and this was all sort

10:39

of a very complex scheme

10:42

to encourage Congress to

10:44

pass safety measures that surely enough

10:47

after the DV Cooper hijacking, number one, new

10:49

laws were passed punishing skyjacking and making a

10:51

much worse crime if you committed it. And

10:54

they finally started putting in magnetometers

10:56

and having security checks at airports.

10:59

So there's certainly sort of a,

11:01

the timing of this was

11:03

fortuitous for the airlines even

11:06

if they weren't in on it. It's a

11:08

good theory. Got to give it to Littis

11:10

Elementary for that one because that

11:12

was not on my top five

11:15

suspects list and you know what?

11:17

It's really not that far off because the thing

11:19

is at this point we have

11:21

no idea what's going on. And

11:24

so look, it's a great

11:26

theory. There's obviously holes in it. I don't think we

11:28

have to spend a whole lot of time on what

11:30

the holes are and they're obviously there, but

11:32

I like it and it's one I wanted to highlight because like

11:34

I said, I had never thought

11:37

of it until the kids always do

11:39

theories for us and propose sort of the different theories and that

11:41

was one of them and I just thought it was great. So

11:44

I wanted to talk about that one. Now look, the

11:46

next theory is a little bit

11:48

more likely than that. I

11:51

mean really quick before you get to it, I

11:54

want to give you know Littis Elementary all the credit

11:56

for getting a pretty good one. I'm a little surprised

11:59

with how bright the they are that they

12:01

didn't actually highlight this number one. I'm not

12:03

criticizing them. They are a

12:05

couple of decades younger than me, especially

12:07

after this birthday, but this one

12:09

just seems so obvious that I was a little hoping

12:11

it would be one of the first things out of

12:14

their mouths to be honest. And if the kids

12:16

are listening, I hopefully know we're disappointed in you that

12:18

you didn't come up with this theory. So

12:20

try harder next year because this theory

12:22

is so likely that I

12:24

can't believe nobody, nobody mentioned it. And

12:27

that's DV Cooper

12:29

was never found because

12:31

Bigfoot ate him. See

12:34

kids, that's how it's done. Exactly.

12:37

Now look, you may be thinking, what

12:39

does Bigfoot have to do anything? Well, now

12:41

we talked about how dense the woods were,

12:44

how difficult the terrain was, how

12:46

hard it was to find anybody. Well,

12:49

that's because this is Bigfoot

12:51

country. This is the kind of place you go

12:53

and you have like the Patterson Gimlet film. And

12:55

you see big feet, I guess, is the plural

12:58

running around all over the place. Now just

13:00

imagine your DV Cooper. You jump out of the

13:02

plane, you open a parachute, you

13:05

make it to the ground. And you're like, I got it. And

13:07

then all of a sudden you hear like a

13:09

twig snap and maybe a

13:12

low grunting sound. And

13:14

you turn around and you

13:16

see it Bigfoot. The

13:19

only thing harder to find than DV Cooper. And

13:22

what does he do? I mean, he eats you, right? I

13:24

mean, what else would Bigfoot do with DV Cooper? I

13:27

mean, it's the perfect situation for Bigfoot to get a

13:29

little, little midnight snack, as

13:31

it were. So he eats DV Cooper.

13:34

He doesn't need the money. So, you know, he just like

13:36

throws the money in the river or whatever. And nobody ever

13:38

finds the DV Cooper. So Bigfoot, I

13:40

think has to be something you consider and you're

13:42

thinking about what happened to DV Cooper.

13:45

And if you're not considering it, you're not considering

13:47

all of the options here. But

13:50

talking about options, let's move

13:52

to some real suspects,

13:54

shall we? By the way, let

13:56

it's elementary. If you didn't understand

13:59

Brett Sarcasm. We are so proud

14:01

of you, so deeply proud of you. You

14:03

guys are all such special angels. I hope

14:05

you know that. I couldn't leave that unsaid

14:07

and we love you dearly. Okay. So

14:10

now these were some suspects that

14:12

we did discuss with the students

14:14

of Lidditz Elementary. And look,

14:16

here's the thing. They are all

14:18

very attractive in certain ways. There's a reason

14:20

none of them have been pegged as DB

14:22

Cooper. There are problems with each of them

14:24

as well, but they

14:26

have been so highlighted all these

14:29

years, kind of feels

14:31

like maybe one of them has to be DB

14:33

Cooper. Right? So let's dive into it. The first

14:35

is Richard McCoy Jr. On

14:38

April 7th, 1972,

14:40

only five months after the DB

14:42

Cooper hijacking, a man traveling

14:45

under an alias boarded a flight

14:47

from Newark to Los Angeles. So

14:49

much for their flight. Now this plane took

14:52

off without incident, but once in the air,

14:55

the man handed a flight attendant a

14:57

note demanding $500,000 in four parachutes. And

15:03

he said, if his demands weren't met,

15:05

he threatened to bomb the plane. When

15:08

the plane landed, the hijacker

15:10

exchanged the passengers for cash

15:12

and parachutes, so he didn't

15:14

hold any prisoners. And

15:17

just like DB Cooper, he insisted that

15:19

the plane take off again. And

15:22

it was to be on route to

15:24

the next destination. But before that destination

15:26

was reached, what do you think happened?

15:29

The rear stairs of the plane were

15:31

lowered in flight and this

15:33

man jumped out of the

15:35

airplane. So this sounds

15:37

a lot like DB Cooper and

15:40

unlike DB Cooper though, this hijacker

15:43

was identified and it was

15:45

Richard McCoy Jr. He

15:48

was actually arrested and later convicted

15:50

of air piracy and given a

15:52

45 year sentence. Now you

15:55

don't have to dig very deep.

15:57

You can tell that this is a shockingly.

16:00

similar crime that he committed

16:02

and it led a lot of people

16:04

to believe that McCoy may have been

16:06

responsible for the D.V. Cooper incident as

16:09

well. But we don't know

16:11

definitively and we may never know the truth.

16:15

On August 10th, 1974,

16:17

so like just

16:19

a few months later, about four months later, McCoy

16:22

and some fellow inmates hijacked

16:24

a garbage truck and escaped

16:26

the Pennsylvania prison where they

16:28

were being held. Three

16:31

months later, after a long

16:33

manhunt, McCoy was finally tracked down

16:35

by the police, but he

16:38

wasn't taken without incident. There was a shootout

16:40

and he was killed in the midst of

16:42

it. So pretty soon

16:45

after the hijacking, he was identified,

16:47

convicted, was in prison, and before

16:49

long, he hijacked his way out of prison but

16:51

died in a shootout. So I don't think we'll

16:53

ever know the truth. And as we

16:55

all know, copycat crimes are

16:57

a real thing, right? You see this

16:59

all the time on the news. You'll

17:01

see not just crimes. We

17:04

have this with a lot of things.

17:06

Unfortunately, we have this with stories of

17:08

self-harm. There have been studies shown that

17:11

when teenagers, for example, hear of stories

17:13

of self-harm of people who maybe

17:15

are in their age group, they're more likely to do

17:17

the same to themselves. Same with crimes.

17:20

You'll have, we know this from like, what do

17:22

you call it, Home Alone, the movies, right? Those

17:24

pesky robbers, they really like to leave

17:26

their signature. And then whether

17:29

there were copycat crimes or not was a question as

17:31

well. So maybe he just thought DB

17:33

Cooper is such a legend, I'm going to be a

17:35

legend too, or I'll get away with it because they'll

17:37

think this other guy DB Cooper did it and no

17:39

one will ever find me. Unfortunately for him, he was

17:42

found. And McCoy is only the most famous of

17:44

the copycats. There were several copycats. I think

17:46

he's the only one who actually jumped out of the plane. And

17:50

if it weren't for DB Cooper, if

17:52

this weren't a copycat crime, McCoy is

17:54

– whether it's DB

17:56

Cooper or not. His story is incredible. Frankly,

17:58

I'm surprised he haven't made a movie. out of him, we're about to

18:01

talk about more things about him

18:03

that makes you think he might be

18:05

D.V. Cooper. The man lived just an

18:07

incredible life and you

18:09

know, it's interesting. There's something so tragic,

18:11

almost like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance

18:13

Kid about McCoy because once, you know,

18:15

he was a national guardsman, he was

18:18

actually, he was arrested in his

18:20

National Guard uniform because he was going on duty

18:22

that day. And one of the

18:24

things he asked was to be able to take off

18:26

his uniform because he didn't want to disgrace the uniform

18:28

with the, you know, being shown arrested in his uniform.

18:31

And the thing about him, once

18:33

he escaped, it's almost like he

18:36

knew his life was coming to an end. He

18:38

didn't want to be in prison. He didn't want to die in prison. So

18:41

the life he lived, he just went on

18:43

this robbery spree. He's robbing all these banks

18:46

all over the place. He ends up in

18:48

Virginia Beach. FBI catches

18:50

him. He walks into his house and

18:53

he's surrounded by FBI agents and they all have

18:55

shotguns. And what does he

18:57

do? Does he go quietly? No, he pulls a

18:59

gun on him. So then he just gets basically

19:02

cut in half by a shotgun blast and

19:05

has the classic dying

19:08

words, I am killed. Which,

19:10

you know, you don't normally think of people actually

19:12

saying something like that, but he did. And like

19:14

I said, we're about to learn some things about

19:16

him and his life before this

19:19

that were just the things he did

19:21

his entire life could be a movie. Alice,

19:26

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23:25

And it's not just the fact that

23:27

it's a copycat crime that could potentially

23:29

support this theory that McCoy is D.B.

23:32

Cooper. So here's the evidence supporting the

23:34

theory that McCoy is D.B.

23:36

Cooper. So McCoy actually looks like the composite sketch

23:38

of D.B. Cooper. He has kind of the similar

23:40

features. He doesn't look as much like D.B.

23:42

Cooper as Brett does right now. But you know,

23:44

you can't really pick too

23:47

much because we just have knowledge from

23:49

these sketches. The 19th century-

23:51

I am D.B. Cooper. D.B. Cooper. We're

23:53

trying to explore all the evidence before we come down

23:56

to the obvious conclusion that it was Brett

23:58

being eaten by. So,

24:00

another piece of evidence is that

24:03

the 1972 hijacking was extremely

24:05

similar to D.B. Cooper's incident.

24:07

We know that. But

24:09

here's the thing, not anyone can just kind of copy

24:11

this type of crime, right? You can't just be like,

24:13

huh, that looks interesting. Let me get some parachutes. Let

24:15

me jump out of a plane. Let me lower the

24:17

stairs. It still takes knowledge. We

24:20

talked a lot about how D.B. Cooper seemed

24:22

to have knowledge about both parachuting, maybe, maybe

24:24

not, because of the whole wrong parachute

24:26

backup that he got, but

24:28

lowering the stairs, knowing how fast

24:30

the plane could go and still

24:32

stay in flight. So, could

24:35

McCoy have the same knowledge to be able to

24:37

pull off a copycat crime? So

24:39

McCoy was a Vietnam vet with

24:42

extensive knowledge of flying and skydiving.

24:45

Check. And

24:47

we think that D.B. Cooper also needed to probably

24:49

possess that same set of skills. Let

24:51

me just say this about his time in Vietnam. It

24:53

wasn't just that he was in Vietnam. He

24:55

was like, once again, out

24:58

of a movie Vietnam. He

25:00

was a helicopter pilot. He was the guy. Like,

25:03

if your helicopter went down 100 miles behind enemy lines

25:05

and you were surrounded by Viet Cong and explosions were

25:07

going all around you, he was the guy who would

25:09

fly in, take out everybody

25:11

around you, land right next to you, throw you

25:14

in the helicopter and take off. I mean,

25:16

really, there are certain people who

25:19

it's as if they were born for

25:21

war. And that was him. He

25:23

wanted to keep going back. He kept winning awards.

25:25

Then the war was over. He wants to be

25:27

a pilot and they find out

25:29

he has like a brain aneurysm, basically. And

25:33

because of that, at any moment, you know, he could burst and he

25:35

could die or he could pass out. And so

25:37

they wouldn't let him be a pilot. So his

25:39

whole life gets messed up at that point. And

25:41

he goes to school and he's taking a psychology

25:43

class. And what

25:46

do you think he wrote his

25:48

psychology paper on? The

25:51

psychology of skyjackers. And

25:53

that's when he got into this whole skyjacking thing.

25:56

This was all before DB Cooper. So like I

25:58

said, fascinating guy. should have

26:00

a movie about him. Maybe we will

26:02

at this point. Okay, so it's not just

26:04

kind of us on the outside who see

26:06

the similarities in the crime that could lead

26:08

us to believe McCoy is DB Cooper. Those

26:11

closest to him actually thought he was DB

26:13

Cooper. So because McCoy was convicted, he had

26:15

a probation officer and your

26:18

probation officer does things like interview you

26:20

to know everything about everything. Everything

26:23

about your background so they can properly

26:25

supervise you. And the probation officer who

26:27

interviewed McCoy was convinced he was guilty

26:29

of both crimes, the 1972 hijacking

26:32

as well as the DB Cooper

26:34

hijacking. And what

26:36

about location? Because here we have

26:38

McCoy boarding a Newark going over

26:41

to the West Coast. Was

26:43

he on the West Coast in the area at the

26:45

time of the DB Cooper hijacking? The answer is yes.

26:48

There are gas station receipts and telephone

26:50

records that indicate McCoy was in Las

26:53

Vegas the day after DB Cooper was

26:55

thought to have landed. So

26:57

potential opportunity for being over there.

26:59

And then McCoy's own son claims

27:02

that his mother admitted to him

27:05

that McCoy was DB Cooper

27:08

and that she had helped

27:10

him plan both heists. Not

27:13

quite a dying declaration but like a third-hand

27:16

dying declaration. And you know, or for the

27:18

fact that everybody else claims to be DB

27:20

Cooper too. This would be pretty

27:22

powerful but I mean it's not him claiming

27:25

it. So I guess that says something. Now

27:27

like this is third-hand

27:29

right? But still it's pretty

27:32

good. It's an interesting thing to have

27:34

like not your dad who's supposed to be

27:36

DB Cooper saying like son I'm DB Cooper.

27:38

The mom saying that she helped plan a

27:41

heist admitting to the son to me

27:43

seems a little bit more credible than if like the

27:46

actual person was lying about it. But you know

27:48

maybe she's trying to find some meaning after

27:50

a shootout with the police. And

27:53

let me say the FBI really liked

27:55

McCoy for the DB Cooper. The

27:58

FBI was high on McCoy. as

28:00

far as a suspect. But there

28:02

are problems with McCoy being

28:04

DB Cooper. For one, the flight

28:07

attendant who was with DB Cooper the whole

28:09

time, remember, the one who sat next to

28:12

him, talked to him, looked him in the

28:14

face, she did not

28:16

identify McCoy as DB Cooper. That's

28:19

a pretty big thing. And it's not like

28:21

these hijackings took place, you know, decades apart.

28:23

They happened pretty close in time. We also

28:25

know that even though McCoy may have been

28:28

in Las Vegas, you know, the day after

28:30

DB Cooper did, he was

28:32

with his family the two days after

28:34

the DB Cooper incident, which

28:37

kind of points to the fact that he likely

28:39

couldn't have done it. And he

28:41

didn't fit the profile the FBI had

28:43

created for Cooper. McCoy

28:45

was notoriously impatient and

28:48

abrasive, unlike DB Cooper.

28:50

Remember how DB Cooper was like

28:52

a perfect gentleman? And he said

28:54

things like, please. And he was

28:56

just a consummate gentleman. Thinking about

28:58

meals for the passengers as they

29:00

circled the skies waiting for the FBI

29:02

to find parachutes, things like that. Just

29:05

didn't seem to fit McCoy's personality. Although

29:07

we can all play, you know,

29:09

different personality for a few hours. So I don't

29:12

completely write that off. The

29:14

other thing is McCoy didn't smoke or drink. Another

29:17

thing, if you're about to do something you don't normally

29:19

do, like hijack a plane, maybe

29:21

that's when you choose to drink to take the edge off

29:23

a little and might as well if you've always wanted

29:25

to smoke, might as well smoke then. So

29:28

again, maybe he didn't smoke or drink

29:30

but you can smoke and drink even

29:32

if you've never done it before. I will

29:34

say this, and McCoy was Mormon and that was

29:36

one of the reasons he didn't smoke or drink.

29:39

But I will say this about drinking.

29:42

Everybody can drink for the first time. Smoking

29:45

for the first time, a

29:47

little bit harder. Anybody

29:49

who's ever smoked a cigarette for the first time knows that

29:52

first cigarette, you know, when you don't

29:54

know what you're doing, it can be

29:56

kind of rough. And remember, he didn't just smoke

29:59

a cigarette. He smoked. like half a

30:01

pack of cigarettes during this time. He's sometimes

30:03

described as chain smoking. I don't

30:05

feel like it's quite chain smoking. It's not

30:07

like he smoked a full pack, but he

30:09

smoked several cigarettes. So I wonder

30:11

if this was really McCoy's first time smoking

30:13

a cigarette if it wouldn't have been obvious

30:16

to the people on the plane. And there are

30:18

other problems too. Remember all of that

30:21

talk from the people, the flight attendants

30:23

who described DB Cooper as having like

30:25

piercing brown eyes? McCoy had

30:27

blue eyes. Now of course you

30:29

can probably change your appearance, but

30:31

that is a big difference if

30:34

in fact the memory from the flight attendants

30:36

was correct, that DB Cooper had brown eyes.

30:39

And the other thing was that

30:41

McCoy, if this was his at

30:43

least second hijacking, you might think

30:45

there's some level of

30:48

comfort with what he's about to do. But

30:50

McCoy was described as being very nervous during

30:52

the 1972 hijacking, which you

30:55

might find surprising if he had just successfully

30:57

pulled off another hijacking in the exact same

30:59

manner. Now I want to say this, if you've

31:01

ever heard anybody talk about McCoy, one

31:03

thing we've pointed out, it will often be said

31:06

that he was with his family Thanksgiving and that's

31:08

why he could not be the hijacker

31:10

who obviously hijacked the plane at dayport

31:13

Thanksgiving. That is not true. As

31:15

we pointed out, he was actually in Vegas. Now

31:19

when his probation officer asked him

31:21

about that call, he

31:24

said it wasn't him even though they

31:26

had him nailed. I mean, and he

31:28

actually did a pretty good investigative. He

31:30

asked him about, you ever been to Vegas?

31:32

No. Yeah, so you

31:35

never stayed at the Flamingo Hotel and bought

31:37

gas at this gas station? Oh no, never

31:39

did that. And they were able to show

31:41

that actually no, you were there and you

31:43

made a call to your house from that

31:45

gas station that day. And he's like, what

31:47

me? I mean, he just took to it.

31:49

It wasn't him, which is pretty suspicious. It's

31:52

pretty suspicious. Now he was home several days

31:54

after that, but he also was a

31:56

little too young for DB Cooper.

31:58

The fact that Nina Muklo

32:00

and Shaffner both said it's

32:03

not him. The other thing,

32:06

and this, take this for what it's worth. Remember

32:08

the tie. They got DNA off the tie.

32:12

Now as we have said a thousand times, just

32:14

because you have DNA, doesn't mean it's DNA

32:16

related to crime. And the FBI

32:18

will admit, they don't know if the DNA is related.

32:21

But they were big on McCoy, despite all the

32:23

things we just pointed out. But then they

32:25

compared the DNA to the tie and it didn't match. So

32:29

his DNA does not match the tie,

32:31

but that's only significant obviously if you

32:33

think the DNA on the tie belongs

32:35

to D.B. Cooper. We've gotten

32:38

through just really one

32:40

suspect. What about Bigfoot? I'm putting

32:42

him in a category by himself because he's not a suspect.

32:44

He's the obvious answer. Okay, well that's a good point. Okay,

32:46

well we're moving along. Look, this might be a really long episode.

32:48

It doesn't matter. Does it matter? It doesn't matter

32:50

to me. Does it matter to you, Alex? I'm here

32:52

all night. I'm worried about how soggy your

32:55

cigarette's going to get. I know.

32:57

I'm going to need to light this one up and

32:59

get a refill on the... Do not light up a cigarette

33:02

with your children in the house, please. I

33:04

thought about it. I thought about it with their downstairs. It

33:07

does not matter. Do not do that. It will smell

33:09

in there forever. It's, yeah, whatever. Okay,

33:12

so Sheridan

33:14

Peterson. Sheridan

33:16

Peterson. Now remember, what did we

33:18

say as we were going through some of the evidence and

33:20

we're talking about some of the factors that you might consider.

33:22

One of the things we said was, this

33:25

seems like somebody

33:27

who is very familiar with

33:29

a Boeing 727, maybe even someone

33:31

who worked at Boeing. Well, enter

33:34

Sheridan Peterson. Peterson

33:36

was a former Boeing employee who

33:38

worked in the department that wrote

33:40

the Boeing 727 jet manual. He

33:45

was also a skilled skydiver

33:47

and even spent time working

33:49

at the very same skydiving

33:51

company and this is obviously

33:53

a coincidence, but

33:56

the same company that provided

33:58

the parachutes to DB

34:00

Cooper the night of the hijacking.

34:03

So what is some evidence that supports him?

34:06

I mean one obviously is

34:08

that he was very familiar DB Cooper was very

34:11

familiar with the Boeing 727. It knew

34:14

exactly the limitations on it, knew

34:17

what it could do, knew things that even

34:19

the pilots didn't know about its capabilities including

34:21

that it was equipped with the rear stairs

34:23

that it could fly with the rear stairs

34:25

open, the flaps everything.

34:28

Well Peterson obviously also

34:30

would have been familiar with all

34:32

of those facts. It

34:35

said that he also resembled the sketch. Now he's

34:37

not a great match for the sketch

34:39

but as we all know sketches

34:41

are hit or miss right? So he resembled

34:44

the sketch and unlike McCoy he was

34:46

really a little too young given that

34:49

everybody said Cooper's in his mid

34:51

40s he was around the same age and

34:54

the FBI did consider him a viable suspect

34:56

at least at one time. What are

34:58

some problems with the theory? Well this one

35:00

is gonna come up again and again and

35:02

again. People said

35:04

a lot of things about Cooper but

35:07

one thing they were

35:09

consistent on absolutely consistent

35:11

was the color of his eyes and Peterson had

35:13

blue eyes, not brown eyes, not

35:15

hazel eyes, blue eyes. This

35:18

is a problem and look I don't know

35:21

if in 1971 they had color changing contacts

35:23

or not and I don't know whether Divi

35:25

Cooper would have thought to use them. He

35:27

obviously put sunglasses on later which

35:30

indicates to me that if he's using

35:32

color changing contacts if they even existed

35:35

no reason to put on sunglasses. In fact you wouldn't want

35:37

to put on sunglasses because you'd want people to see your eyes

35:39

but he does that so I think his eyes probably were

35:41

brown. Cooper obviously

35:43

chain-smoked and Sheridan Peterson

35:45

is another guy who did not smoke and I'm

35:47

sorry I just think that's a big I think

35:50

that's a big factor. Real quick I was

35:52

I've been really curious about the eye thing just

35:54

because obviously today you can change your eye color

35:56

although I will say if you

35:58

had blue eyes and you put in

36:00

brown contacts, I think that may look more

36:02

natural. But have you ever seen someone with

36:04

dark brown eyes who wore white color contacts

36:06

like blue? Because I'll tell you, I grew

36:09

up in the immigrant community where, I don't

36:11

know, all of us Asian, ABCs,

36:13

American-born Chinese kids in the 90s, everyone

36:16

dyed their hair blonde and put in blue

36:18

color contacts, and it looks really creepy, because

36:20

it doesn't look like you have blue eyes.

36:22

It looks like you have brown eyes and

36:24

you drew streaks of blue on top of

36:26

them. So I was curious,

36:29

actually, if there were color-changing contacts in

36:31

the 70s. And

36:33

interestingly enough, so hard contact lenses were

36:35

developed in the 70s and 80s, and

36:40

there were colored lens

36:43

experiments in the 1960s. So

36:46

they experimented with putting

36:48

different colors in them,

36:51

but it was not

36:53

something that was like widely available. And

36:56

I don't think the purpose was to change your eye

36:58

color, it was to have different tints. So

37:00

just for a bit of history, it's

37:03

possible. Maybe he worked in a

37:05

lens factory

37:07

that was experimenting with these colors. So

37:09

I will say it was being experimented

37:11

in the 60s. I don't think

37:13

it was available for wide use, and it wasn't

37:16

available for wide use for cosmetic purposes, because

37:18

it was still a very new technology at

37:20

the time. So there we go, possible,

37:24

unlikely. Sweetened colors,

37:26

I love your nail color there, now

37:28

that I've noticed it. Looking

37:30

great. It's my birthday nails. I

37:32

love it, I love it. They're fantastic. So real

37:35

quick, since you just pointed them out, can't believe

37:37

you noticed that, thanks, right? I had complete nails

37:39

for my birthday, and I also have

37:41

these, they're not on right now, because I have

37:43

headphones on, but I have these really big, if

37:45

you saw me up CrimeCon like two years ago,

37:48

you would have seen them, really

37:50

big birthday cake earrings

37:53

that say, happy birthday, that

37:55

my friends bought me for

37:57

my birthday two years ago in Vegas at CrimeCon.

38:00

con and I wore them at crime con. Nice. And now

38:02

I wear them every birthday and I paint my nails and

38:04

match them. So sorry. And

38:06

if it's your birthday, I will put them on too. Oh, there you

38:08

go. One last word on

38:11

Peterson. I really liked Peterson as

38:13

a possible suspect until this

38:15

final little tiny problem, which

38:19

is Peterson didn't live in

38:21

Washington at the time of the hijacking. He

38:24

didn't even live on the West coast. In fact, he

38:26

did not live in the Western hemisphere. He

38:29

lived in Nepal at the time,

38:31

which is kind of a long way

38:33

away and not the easiest place to get

38:36

from one place to another

38:38

from, and he had

38:40

a child that was born about nine months

38:43

after the hijacking. So if

38:45

he made the trip to Washington, hijacked the

38:47

plane, jumped out of the plane, got the

38:49

money and got back to Nepal, it was

38:52

even more of an adventure than

38:54

D.V. Cooper would have had. Otherwise.

38:57

That's a pretty big one to have to overcome. Although

39:00

the knowledge of the Boeing and

39:02

everything is awesome. That's why I say each

39:04

of these suspects have like great aspects about

39:06

them. And there is someone out

39:09

there who is D.B. Cooper who has all of

39:11

these aspects and we're going to get it. We're

39:13

going to get it today. Well, we're going to

39:15

get it. Don't you guys worry. Stick with us.

39:17

Okay. So another suspect then is Robert Rachstrah. Robert

39:20

Rachstrah was a former pilot and

39:22

paratrooper. Sounds very promising so far. Who

39:24

had wrapped up quite the criminal record

39:27

during the seventies, grand theft,

39:31

$75,000 worth of bad checks and the

39:33

possible murder of his stepfather were

39:35

just among his rap sheet. So

39:39

you kind of went. Yeah. Actually. Yeah.

39:41

I mean, he was, if you've read

39:43

the last master outlaw, it is about

39:45

Rachstrah. And one of

39:47

the things they basically said, they,

39:50

they think Rachstrah was three

39:52

different guys at the time, pulling

39:54

off all these different scans because you

39:56

just, what are the chances you

39:58

have all these. Different master criminals

40:01

in Washington at the same time rakstra

40:03

DB Cooper and apparently this other guy

40:05

that they think is rakstra So they're

40:07

just like is rakstra all

40:09

the way down and Look,

40:11

this man has a flair for the dramatic.

40:13

I'll give him that because in 1978

40:17

after he'd been acquitted of murder,

40:19

you know, like you've Beat

40:22

the odds just go live on an island

40:24

and stop getting in trouble. He can't do that

40:26

You see he rents a plane. Remember he's a

40:28

former pilot so he can do so and

40:31

then he called a May Day in

40:33

an attempt To you guessed it fake

40:35

his own death But

40:37

he did not get away with it. He

40:39

was caught and Imprisoned for

40:42

two years. So again swear

40:44

for the dramatic I think if he got acquitted for

40:46

murder and just kind of quietly went on his

40:48

way No one would know

40:50

anything. Why did he have to rent a plane call

40:52

a May Day pretend to die? I feel like if

40:55

you're gonna if you're gonna crash your plane, don't don't

40:57

name it May Day kind of gives

40:59

it away. I think Maybe

41:01

that's just me but whatever again

41:05

he had a player for the dramatic now

41:08

Rakstra is a really popular suspect though

41:10

because of a book written by Thomas

41:12

Culver and Tom Zalosi in Called

41:17

the last master criminal But many believed

41:19

they really just did this to sell

41:21

the story to Hollywood because I mean

41:24

like I said rakstra himself Probably gonna

41:26

have movies made about him anyway Now

41:30

the FBI doesn't believe that the

41:32

evidence they have links it to

41:34

rakstra So they did

41:36

consider him a suspect. They looked at him

41:38

and One of the

41:40

things that kind of struck him off their list

41:43

of suspects is that? Rakstra would have been only

41:45

28 at the time of the DB Cooper Hijacking

41:48

which is of course much younger

41:50

than Cooper was described as Rakstra

41:53

is not going to be able to tell us if

41:55

he's really DB Cooper because he died in

41:58

2019 Not

42:00

1978 when he tried to pretend. So he did live

42:02

a good bit longer than then, than

42:05

his fake death. And Rackstraw, I

42:07

mean, he is, he is compelling

42:09

just because much like McCoy, he

42:11

also, he's a special forces guy,

42:13

did amazing crazy things in, in

42:15

Vietnam. And he didn't just do things

42:17

in Vietnam. He also worked for the CIA. And

42:20

what is the only groups of people we've

42:23

mentioned this point, the only, one of the

42:25

only groups of people who knew that you

42:27

could lower those stairs while the plane was

42:30

flying was the CIA because they used that

42:33

aspect of the Senate at 727 all the time

42:35

in their operations in Southeast Asia. So

42:38

he would have been familiar with the 727. Also

42:42

there there's just, he, he probably

42:44

ran cocaine for the cartels at

42:46

one point. And there's this great

42:48

story. If you read the book, I

42:51

keep calling it the last master outlaw, cause that's a much better

42:53

title, but I guess it's called the last master criminal, but

42:56

if you read the book, it's

42:58

not just Rackstraw. So he was

43:00

buddies with this cocaine runner who

43:03

worked for the cartels. And that

43:05

cocaine runner would

43:07

tell people that he was DB Cooper.

43:09

He would say me cocaine runner is

43:12

DB Cooper. And he

43:14

had some buddies and he took them to

43:16

a party in Washington. And this guy, the

43:18

cocaine guy, he points to

43:21

a couple across the way at this

43:23

party. And he tells the dudes

43:25

who's with him. He's like, look, you don't think I'm DB Cooper.

43:28

I'm going to prove it. Those

43:30

two people are going to find

43:32

some of DB Cooper's money. The

43:35

couple he was pointing at were the

43:37

parents of the kid who

43:39

found the money. And when they found the money,

43:42

we talked about the finding the money earlier. So

43:45

the kid has told this story and the

43:47

story has been told in various, he

43:50

is clearing a space for the fire

43:53

and his father stops it and says,

43:55

and you can see this, if you've seen some of

43:57

the documentaries about DB Cooper, occasionally you'll see an interview.

44:00

with these people and they'll tell the story

44:02

and he's like no don't do it there

44:05

do it over there by those two sticks that are

44:07

sticking out of the ground so the

44:09

kid moves over next to the two sticks starts

44:11

doing it and then like three seconds later all

44:13

the sudden he finds all this money of DB

44:15

Cooper's right well

44:18

so that had been predicted by this guy who

44:21

was a drug runner who knew rakstrom surely

44:23

thereafter this guy starts

44:25

telling everybody that he's afraid for his

44:28

life that he thinks

44:30

he's going to be killed he becomes

44:32

super paranoid and sure enough let you

44:34

know it very shortly thereafter he dies

44:36

mysteriously in a one-car accident and

44:38

a lot of people have wondered did

44:40

rakstra take him out because this guy

44:42

knew that rakstra was DB Cooper and

44:46

he's claiming to be DB Cooper and doing all the stuff

44:48

and rakstra knows he's a liability and so he takes him

44:50

out that's sort of one of the speculations and it's it's

44:52

sort of you know what maybe

44:54

that's possible because rakstra very clearly did kill

44:56

his stepfather and was acquitted in what many

44:58

people have described as sort of a bizarre

45:01

trial that really didn't make any sense because

45:03

there was all this evidence against him he

45:06

claimed it was self-defense even though

45:08

they found his stepfather buried in a

45:10

shallow grave which is not the typical thing

45:13

that happens when you have

45:15

self-defense but it made a lot of people in

45:17

the conspiracy world wonder but really quick I mean

45:19

we've talked about this before digging a hole

45:21

is really hard so shallow grave is

45:24

understandable there you go there you

45:26

go now you know any kind of grave when it's

45:28

self-defense is a little strange you

45:31

know those of you who watched the

45:33

whole Apple River trial there was a lot of

45:35

questions about what the guy did after the self-defense

45:37

and I was kind of like you know I

45:39

feel like it's either self-defense or it's not and

45:41

what happens afterwards is not that definitive or whether

45:43

or not you actually acted in self-defense if you

45:45

then bury the person that's

45:47

a better argument for maybe it wasn't self-defense so

45:50

I'm not sure but either way he gets acquitted

45:53

this murder charge which some people have said

45:55

was because of all his connections anyway

45:58

he's a great suspect the

46:01

book is fantastic. You

46:03

should read the book. The Netflix documentary

46:05

is all about him, but

46:08

the problem with him, the flight

46:11

attendants, it wasn't like, oh it could be. It

46:13

was like, no, that is

46:15

not him. And he is so much

46:18

younger than the 40 something

46:21

years old that people said DB Cooper was. Now

46:23

I've said, the thing about you guys who were

46:25

alive in the 70s, for some reason y'all all

46:27

looked older than you were. You know,

46:29

I've seen your yearbook photos. You look so

46:32

much older. Like you looked 40

46:34

when you were 17. So that's a possibility,

46:36

but I think Rackstraw is

46:38

probably not DB Cooper, even though

46:41

it's just a guy who deserves, once

46:43

again, his own movie. He really

46:45

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46:48

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Kenny Christiansen is Interesting

49:02

because he was a former

49:04

Northwest Orient airline employee and

49:07

he had lots of jobs in the airline

49:09

He worked as a mechanic a flight attendant

49:12

and a purser Before that

49:14

he had experience as a military paratrooper

49:18

tons of it so

49:21

He received specialized training

49:23

in anticipation of the

49:25

invasion of Japan In

49:28

fact, he was part of an elite group

49:31

very few people made it through the training

49:33

and the idea was he was going to

49:35

be He and his friends they

49:37

were gonna be the first people in if you

49:39

guys know about Normandy and D-Day The

49:41

first people in with a paratrooper is the

49:43

land behind enemy lines. They cut communication lines.

49:45

They blow bridges They're doing everything to make

49:47

the landing easier and the landing in

49:49

Japan was going to be infinitely

49:51

more difficult than anything they done before so

49:54

this was a Very specialized

49:56

group of people and he was going to do that

49:58

now Obviously he

50:01

did not end up having to go into Japan He

50:03

did serve in the occupying forces and he

50:05

continued to be a paratrooper and to jump

50:08

and would actually Take on extra

50:10

jumps for money. You love jumping out of planes Now

50:14

despite earning a modest living

50:16

as an airline employee Christian

50:18

bought a home Not

50:22

totally in cash, but he took out a mortgage

50:24

for half of the house and

50:26

so he bought Basically half

50:28

the home in cash the year after

50:30

the hijacking occurred. In

50:33

fact, his income wasn't just

50:35

modest He had to

50:37

take side jobs including literally

50:39

digging ditches just to make

50:41

ends meet And then

50:44

all of a sudden shortly after the hijacking

50:46

he had all this money by the

50:48

time of his death He had nearly two

50:50

hundred thousand dollars in savings accounts a

50:53

valuable stamp and coin collection and

50:55

a house and property He owned

50:58

free and clear Kenny

51:01

was making approximately $600

51:03

a month at the time of the

51:05

hijacking a month after the

51:08

hijacking. He lent a friend $5,000

51:11

in cash so that she could buy a house He

51:15

was also left-handed which is significant because

51:18

so was DB Cooper Now

51:21

there are some issues he was shorter

51:23

and thinner at the time than most

51:26

eyewitness accounts claim nevertheless

51:29

stewardess Shaffler claimed that

51:31

his picture was a closer

51:34

match than any other suspect

51:36

She had seen his brother claimed that

51:39

on his deathbed Kenny said

51:41

to him quote there is something you

51:43

should know but I can't tell

51:45

you But he didn't go any further

51:47

which I just gotta say if any of you are out there

51:49

and clown saying something on her Deathbed to me don't say that

51:52

just either tell me or just don't mention

51:55

it But that's the worst possible

51:57

deathbed confession really is I

52:00

guess it could literally be anything. It could be like, I

52:03

really hate your guts too. I

52:05

am ZB Cooper. Well, and you know, the one

52:07

thing about Kenny was he was gay. So

52:11

it's possible that it was that. And

52:14

that's the thing, right? Like it's hard to say

52:16

when you, when that's what you say, it could

52:18

be any number of things. But

52:20

nevertheless, he didn't tell him. So that's what

52:23

we have. Now here's, here's

52:25

some interesting things. Kenny

52:27

had plans for

52:29

Thanksgiving dinner with a

52:31

buddy of his that buddy's wife and

52:33

a friend in 1971, he didn't show up. Neither

52:39

did his buddy. In fact,

52:41

they never explained why.

52:44

Also, he drank bourbon and

52:47

he changed smoked. And not only

52:49

did he smoke, he smoked Raleigh

52:51

cigarettes. A friend of

52:53

Kenny's identified the Thai class

52:56

as one she had seen Kenny

52:58

wear. Now the Thai class was

53:00

part of a set that you

53:02

could buy from various stores. One

53:05

of those stores was literally on the

53:07

way from where Kenny lived to where

53:09

he worked, so it's not that surprising

53:12

that he would own the Thai class,

53:14

but it is the only person who

53:16

has ever been connected to anything that

53:18

DB Cooper was wearing. As

53:21

I said, two days before the hijacking and before

53:23

Thanksgiving, Christensen and a friend,

53:25

and I'm not going to name the

53:27

friend, even though he gets named one

53:30

of the books about Kenny actually uses pseudonym for

53:32

the friend friend is still alive. I

53:34

don't know. You know,

53:37

sometimes we just defame people sometimes like not. So I'm

53:39

going to try and not hear. So I'm not going

53:41

to mention the friend's name, but either way, he and

53:43

the friend, they take off, they don't

53:45

tell the friend's wife where they're going. Where

53:48

they're going or what's happening. As

53:51

I said, the three were supposed to go to

53:53

another friend's home for Thanksgiving. Kenny

53:56

and his buddy didn't show up. The

53:58

few days after suddenly they reappear. And

54:00

Kenny suggests that he'd flown home to

54:02

Minnesota for Thanksgiving on sort of a

54:04

last-minute thing This has been

54:07

proven to be false So after Kenny

54:09

died the new owners of the home

54:11

found two thousand dollars in

54:13

a bundle of 20s Hidden

54:15

in a tree behind his house.

54:18

They turned that money into the

54:20

Treasury Department who then Gave

54:23

them two thousand dollars in 20s that weren't Decayed

54:26

because this money was decayed the Treasury Department

54:28

did not record the serial numbers So

54:31

it's impossible to know where this money came from

54:33

but nevertheless. It's two thousand dollars in a tree

54:35

in 20s I don't know about you,

54:37

but I'm typically put my money in trees, but hey Money

54:40

really does throw on trees. That

54:42

was a different generation Exactly

54:47

Now the interesting thing about the two

54:49

thousand dollars that is the same amount

54:51

in each bundle given to DB Cooper

54:54

In the house searchers found a hidden

54:56

compartment in the attic, which

54:59

someone could access by removing

55:01

the insulation Finding

55:03

a wooden cover and lifting that

55:05

wooden cover This essentially created

55:07

a box now the space was empty But

55:09

it was somewhere that if you wanted to

55:12

hide stuff you could hide

55:14

it and this was right over Kenny's

55:17

bedroom Kenny had

55:19

olive complexion as you may recall

55:21

people described the hijacker as swarthy

55:24

and Hazel eyes not

55:26

brown eyes, but hazel eyes

55:28

which are much closer to brown than

55:31

Really any of the other suspects we've seen so far,

55:34

but if you had a place to hide your money Why would

55:36

you hide it in the trees? Why would you have about

55:38

the tree thing general tree thing? I don't get the

55:41

tree thing at all. Maybe you forgot it because

55:43

it was decaying I do have a question

55:45

about the bundles though I know the bundles

55:47

had the same amount of bills as was

55:49

given to DB Cooper Is that just because

55:51

that's the way they bundle it you know

55:53

how when you go and get coins? And

55:55

there's like the pre-made coin wrapper, and it's

55:57

like the same number of pennies and dimes

55:59

and nickels and quarters that fit in each of them. Is

56:02

it just that banks always do things the same

56:04

way that this is how you bundle? It's always 50 bills

56:07

in a bundle or something. I don't know that to be

56:09

the case. Well, if you think

56:11

about it, if you get a bundle of 20s, it would be

56:13

100, right? I mean, 100 seems like

56:15

a solid number to give you in a bundle.

56:18

That's going to be $2,000. So it makes

56:20

sense to me, you're probably right, that if you get a

56:22

bundle of 20s, it wouldn't shock me

56:24

if a bundle of 20s is always $2,000. Now

56:28

why you would then stick that bundle of 20s in a tree?

56:31

Like I said, well, I got, this was a different

56:33

generation. I mean, all of you, I don't know if

56:35

you guys had grandparents or great-grandparents who lived through the

56:37

depression. My grandfather, God

56:40

rest his soul, he hid money everywhere.

56:42

I mean, it was like money in

56:45

jars and random places

56:47

of the, you know, the tornado

56:49

shelter, which we have in the

56:52

South, you know, they were just

56:54

like jars of money in the tornado

56:56

shelter. Jars of money, just in various

56:58

places. So I don't know. I

57:01

mean, it seems strange to me. I wouldn't do

57:03

that. I put my money in banks, but I've

57:05

never had to experience a bank run. So maybe

57:07

a tree is better. I mean,

57:09

I will say this though. He

57:12

very well could have been running drugs

57:14

for the cartel, just like our previous

57:16

suspect, because he had a lot of

57:18

unexplained cash. He could fly.

57:20

He disappeared right around Thanksgiving. Maybe

57:22

there was a need for cocaine

57:25

up somewhere and

57:27

his friend was helping him

57:29

be, you know, a

57:31

mule. Anyways, I'm just

57:34

saying there are probably good. There were

57:36

reasons that he had unexplained cash and

57:38

he certainly seemed to have a lot

57:40

of unexplained things in his house itself

57:43

with all the like money and trees

57:45

and, you know, secret compartments lends

57:48

itself to probably being

57:50

somewhat of a guy who had

57:52

a secret part of

57:55

his life. And I'll say this about

57:57

Kenny in our outline, which you guys can't say.

58:00

we have the

58:03

photographs of these people

58:05

next to the sketch Kenny Christiansen

58:07

is a dead ringer for

58:09

DB Cooper the only

58:11

problem he has is he

58:13

didn't have a whole lot of hair and

58:16

DB Cooper did have hair not

58:18

a lot of hair but he did have hair now

58:21

one thing Kenny was known to

58:23

wear a toupee but

58:26

he never wore it after 1971 so

58:28

some people have thought that he was actually wearing

58:30

a toupee I don't know I'm

58:33

gonna go on a limb and say toupees in 1971 weren't the most

58:36

convincing things in the world and nobody said

58:38

the DB Cooper was wearing a toupee interestingly

58:40

if you dig into the FBI's files you

58:43

will find some of the initial files of

58:45

the FBI speculated that

58:47

the robber was

58:50

actually bald so

58:52

there was at least some indication on the

58:54

FBI's part we don't know why exactly they

58:57

said that there's at least some indication that

58:59

they thought that DB Cooper

59:01

did not have hair so

59:04

that's sort of an interesting side

59:06

note to this whole thing all

59:08

right we've talked about how people have confessed

59:10

to being DB Cooper so let's talk about

59:13

one of these people Dwayne L

59:15

Weber so a man named Dwayne Weber confessed

59:17

to his wife that he was in

59:20

fact Dan Cooper just three days

59:22

before dying in 1995 his wife had never heard

59:24

of DB Cooper and so when

59:26

he said

59:30

this he didn't really ring any bells

59:32

to her didn't flag anything but of

59:34

course you're gonna remember what your dying

59:37

husband said to you so she goes

59:39

to the library after he died to

59:41

check out a book on Dan Cooper

59:43

and there in the margins of the

59:46

library book were her husband's handwriting which

59:50

talk about like a message from the

59:52

beyond so

59:54

maybe he was planning this all along this

59:56

is a love note to his wife he knew she was

59:59

gonna go to the Library to check this

1:00:01

out. Now we know that Dwayne Weber

1:00:03

had a criminal past and

1:00:06

he matched the physical description of Cooper.

1:00:09

Shortly before the money was

1:00:11

found in the 1980s according

1:00:13

to his wife, Weber came

1:00:15

back to a hotel room

1:00:17

in Washington dirty from

1:00:19

digging and

1:00:21

shortly thereafter he threw a bag into

1:00:23

the river north of the bar where

1:00:25

it would be found less than a

1:00:28

year later. Now this is

1:00:30

all compelling but we

1:00:32

know that Dwayne had no experience

1:00:34

with parachutes and also

1:00:37

his DNA did not match that

1:00:39

sound on the plane so

1:00:41

the FBI ruled him out as

1:00:44

a suspect. Still I can't

1:00:47

lie Dwayne is awfully compelling as a suspect.

1:00:50

His wife claims that he talked in his

1:00:52

sleep so you may think okay the Dine

1:00:55

Declaration was not true

1:00:58

but that's a conscious decision to say

1:01:00

you are Dan Cooper but

1:01:02

he also spoke in his sleep which the idea

1:01:04

is you don't really know what you're saying in

1:01:07

your sleep because you're unconscious it's your

1:01:09

subconscious that's talking and

1:01:11

his wife said that in

1:01:13

his sleep he would talk about jumping out

1:01:15

of a plane with money and as we

1:01:17

said he had a long criminal history spending

1:01:20

time in just about every prison in America

1:01:22

before the crime and

1:01:25

interestingly he did confess to being Dan

1:01:27

Cooper not DB Cooper

1:01:29

remember Dan Cooper bought

1:01:31

the ticket under Dan Cooper we think it was

1:01:33

a pseudonym but he said still

1:01:35

said Dan Cooper he never identified himself as

1:01:37

DB Cooper DB Cooper is just a

1:01:40

misnomer. It's funny because the way the

1:01:42

story of his deathbed confession is told

1:01:45

sort of calls his wife over is this very

1:01:47

solemn you know he wants to tell her something

1:01:49

and he tells her you know

1:01:51

I am Dan Cooper she's like what

1:01:54

it's like I'm Dan Cooper

1:01:57

I'm dying I have no

1:01:59

idea what you're talking about, like Dan

1:02:01

Cooper, why are you even saying

1:02:03

this? And finally he's like, Oh,

1:02:05

you know, exaltive,

1:02:07

nevermind. So

1:02:11

there's something about the way he

1:02:13

confesses that's actually pretty powerful. And

1:02:15

she's absolutely convinced that he is

1:02:18

Dan Cooper. You know, at one point she

1:02:21

finds a key to a safe deposit

1:02:24

box in his belongings. And, you know,

1:02:26

they figure out what a safe deposit box is and they

1:02:28

go to the safe deposit box and they think, man, this

1:02:30

is going to be it. You know, we're going to open

1:02:32

up the safe deposit box. We're going to find all of

1:02:34

DB Cooper's money and they open it up. And

1:02:36

the only thing in it is

1:02:38

a soldier of fortune magazine with

1:02:42

an article about like jumping out

1:02:44

of a plane, you know, and

1:02:46

that's all that's in it. And

1:02:48

it's just weird stuff like that.

1:02:51

I mean, she and her story is

1:02:53

intriguing and sort of

1:02:55

the crazy, and there's this whole sub world of

1:02:57

DB Cooper, right? I mean, all these people are

1:02:59

obsessed with DB Cooper and people hate

1:03:01

her. They just hate her because they don't think it's this

1:03:04

guy. They don't want it to be this guy. And

1:03:06

she's all about it being this guy. He

1:03:09

was complete con man. He had all these different names

1:03:11

he used. You know, one thing

1:03:13

people speculated about is just, this was sort

1:03:15

of his, he wanted

1:03:17

people to think he was DB Cooper. He's a

1:03:20

con man at heart. And this is the last

1:03:22

great con. So he reads the book where he's,

1:03:24

he's writing the stuff in the margins. It's not

1:03:26

because he is DB Cooper. It's because he wants

1:03:28

to learn enough to be able to pull this

1:03:30

off at the last thing. So

1:03:32

I don't know. I mean, I will

1:03:35

say just, I've not done

1:03:37

a deep dive into Dwayne Weber, but what it

1:03:39

sounds like more likely to me than him being

1:03:41

DB Cooper is that he

1:03:43

did have a long history of being

1:03:46

a criminal and he'd like

1:03:48

to be remembered as a hero, not as a

1:03:50

criminal and that he was obsessed

1:03:52

with DB Cooper because DB Cooper was a

1:03:55

criminal who was a legend who was revered.

1:03:57

And so I don't necessarily think he wrote. that

1:04:00

book to fool his wife or

1:04:03

anything. I think he was just obsessed with

1:04:05

D.B. Cooper, did all his research on D.B.

1:04:07

Cooper, wrote in the margins because he's obsessed

1:04:09

with D.B. Cooper, so much so that he's

1:04:11

even talking about D.B. Cooper in his sleep.

1:04:14

Not because he is D.B. Cooper, but

1:04:16

because this is his hero, right? He's

1:04:18

not just some common criminal. He is

1:04:20

this revered legend who is, you

1:04:23

know, there are books written about him. There are no books

1:04:25

written about Dwayne Weber. And

1:04:27

so instead of just being another guy with a long rap

1:04:30

sheet when he dies, he

1:04:32

just wants to assume kind of his hero in his

1:04:34

mind. And that's

1:04:36

what it sounds more likely to for

1:04:39

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1:05:40

Dayton. That's right. Barbara.

1:05:44

The only, that I know of the

1:05:46

only woman who was suspected of being

1:05:49

Dan Cooper. Now

1:05:52

Barbara was born, I believe Robert

1:05:54

Dayton and she was in fact

1:05:56

the first transgender woman in Washington

1:05:58

state. She underwent sex

1:06:00

reassignment surgery, I believe in 1969. So

1:06:04

a couple of years before this,

1:06:07

despite that, a lot of people

1:06:09

felt like she could have pulled this off if

1:06:11

she had wanted to. And in fact,

1:06:14

she claimed that she was Dan

1:06:17

Cooper. At some point she recanted. She actually

1:06:19

confessed to this after she thought the statute

1:06:21

of limitations had run and then somebody told

1:06:23

her, Oh no, they, they

1:06:26

went in and died of that guy. So if

1:06:28

you're really, you could still go to prison. And

1:06:30

so at that point she recanted. So obviously that

1:06:32

is the kind of recantation that doesn't necessarily mean

1:06:35

a lot. There were a lot of really interesting things

1:06:37

about her. Number one. So she had sex reassignment surgery

1:06:39

in 1969, but

1:06:42

after it, she sort of went through a

1:06:44

period of depression. She didn't,

1:06:46

she became kind of a recluse. She didn't want

1:06:48

to go out into society. She had concerns about

1:06:50

whether or not she would be able to pass

1:06:52

as a woman. A lot of things that I

1:06:54

think a lot of people who have

1:06:57

been transgender have experienced personally, well, she

1:06:59

went through all that as well. And

1:07:01

by 1971, she didn't really have any

1:07:03

income. She was in a lot of

1:07:05

debt. She was relying on things

1:07:08

like public assistance just to get

1:07:10

by, but she had

1:07:12

a lot of skills. She was

1:07:14

a pilot, an excellent pilot. She

1:07:17

had a lot of issues with

1:07:19

the airlines because she felt like

1:07:21

the airlines were interfering with private

1:07:23

pilots and their abilities to fly

1:07:25

basically. She didn't like the way they were

1:07:27

doing things. Remember, what does Dan Cooper say?

1:07:30

D.B. Cooper, when he's on the plane says

1:07:33

that I don't have a grudge against

1:07:35

your airline, I just have a grudge. She

1:07:38

also was an expert parachutist

1:07:40

to the extent that she stopped

1:07:42

jumping out of planes because it

1:07:45

was boring, which I

1:07:48

can't imagine ever reaching a level where

1:07:50

I think jumping out of a plane is

1:07:53

boring. And why I think

1:07:55

it's important, you know, her Kenny

1:07:57

Christensen, a couple of the other people. about

1:08:00

how this military parachute they used

1:08:04

even someone who had jumped out of a

1:08:06

lot of planes with a military parachute would

1:08:08

not have been able to steer it very

1:08:11

effectively they just they weren't

1:08:13

easy to steer so the typical person in

1:08:15

a military parachute unlike the sport parachute which

1:08:17

was left behind it's just gonna

1:08:19

they're gonna float around in the sky and land

1:08:21

wherever they land but if you

1:08:23

were really experienced with this like

1:08:26

everything else you

1:08:28

became adept at being able to steer that

1:08:30

a little bit couldn't as much as others

1:08:32

but to some extent which is probably important

1:08:34

to survive the jump so people

1:08:37

like Kenny he probably could have done it so

1:08:40

could someone like Barb

1:08:43

Dayton now she

1:08:46

also was part Native American which

1:08:48

is important because remember one

1:08:51

of the things people said about DB Cooper is

1:08:53

he was swarthy was the way they described

1:08:55

him which means he had darker skin Barb

1:08:58

fits that now her eye color and her hair

1:09:00

color does not and what she told people is

1:09:02

that she had darkened her hair I think she

1:09:04

said she used shoe polish or something to make

1:09:07

her hair appear darker no

1:09:09

one who described DB Cooper said

1:09:11

that it looked like he

1:09:14

had colored his hair though I don't know

1:09:16

in the moment whether or not that is

1:09:18

something you would notice moreover

1:09:21

she had experience with explosives

1:09:24

she actually was very knowledgeable with explosives so if you

1:09:26

think it was a real bomb in the briefcase of

1:09:29

all the people we've talked about she is probably

1:09:31

the only person who actually could

1:09:33

have put that bomb together

1:09:37

there's a lot going for her there there's

1:09:40

a book that some of her friends wrote

1:09:42

they're absolutely convinced that she's DB Cooper if

1:09:45

you've watched the max documentary she is one

1:09:47

of the suspects they spent a lot of

1:09:49

time on fascinating

1:09:51

possibility there obviously some things going

1:09:54

against her but I think a

1:09:56

good suspect better than

1:09:58

say McCoy For instance, for

1:10:01

DB Cooper. Yeah. I mean, this is

1:10:03

all really good, but I mean, do we know,

1:10:05

so I know that there was this period of

1:10:07

depression after sex reassignment surgery, but

1:10:09

with kind of that reassignment

1:10:12

surgery, did

1:10:14

she ever present herself as

1:10:16

a man after the surgery? You know, I

1:10:18

don't know that there are interviews of people

1:10:20

who did say that. And

1:10:23

whether there were, you know, cause maybe

1:10:25

she always had short hair, but I think one thing

1:10:27

with DB Cooper is that people thought he had very

1:10:29

little hair. And of course, especially if

1:10:32

you're going to pull off something like this, I

1:10:34

would definitely be changing my appearance. So maybe it

1:10:36

would be cutting off your hair and you know,

1:10:38

what have you. But I think that

1:10:40

would just be an interesting thing of why to pull

1:10:42

it off. As a

1:10:44

man rather than as a woman, maybe

1:10:47

it's more intimidating. Yeah. I don't, I don't

1:10:49

know. I don't think that she ever did

1:10:52

after this, but it's

1:10:54

the ultimate disguise. Right. You know,

1:10:56

it is, it is the

1:10:58

ultimate disguise. Absolutely. Yes. But

1:11:02

I mean, what one thing, for example, and

1:11:04

I don't know the extent of the surgery,

1:11:06

but we do know that DB Cooper

1:11:09

is described as relatively slim and he

1:11:12

wore this like well-fitted

1:11:14

suit, right? He wasn't bulky. He wasn't

1:11:16

overweight. That's not how he's drawn at

1:11:18

least. And the thing about these

1:11:20

like white suit shirts is they're pretty tight fitting.

1:11:23

And you could always wear, if you're

1:11:26

a woman with a chest, you can always wear

1:11:28

a sports bra to make yourself flatter. But

1:11:30

that certainly I think would be something

1:11:32

that would be noticed, especially because he

1:11:34

looks so trim and slim. Remember,

1:11:38

it was an older style suit.

1:11:40

So maybe the kind of suit that

1:11:43

a man from the late

1:11:45

sixties would have worn, but that

1:11:48

Barb would not have updated after that because

1:11:50

of the surgery. There you go. Very

1:11:52

possible. What I, the point I was making

1:11:54

was actually about being able to see

1:11:56

a chest through a well-fitted suit shirt

1:11:58

that was white. Because you can see white-

1:12:01

Hey, I'm saying Shakespeare in love. I'm

1:12:04

saying it's possible. You can absolutely flatten

1:12:06

yourself, but every, you know, the sketches

1:12:08

of D.B. Cooper are that he's very

1:12:10

trim. There's not like a lot of

1:12:12

space to hide. There's no like big

1:12:14

beer belly or something. So,

1:12:17

you know, again, I think it's possible, but

1:12:20

D.B. Cooper has never been described as having

1:12:22

feminine features, for example. But

1:12:25

one thing, one thing going for Barb,

1:12:28

Barb cared about feeding people. You

1:12:31

know who cares about feeding people? It

1:12:33

has enough like foresight to see that

1:12:35

people need to be cared for? Women.

1:12:40

That's a good point. That's a good point.

1:12:42

I thought you were about to roll into

1:12:44

like a HelloFresh ad or something. I'm not

1:12:46

sure where you're going with that, but that's

1:12:48

a good point. Barb would have definitely cooked

1:12:50

with HelloFresh for everyone on the plane. Okay.

1:12:55

So those are the sort of the main people. I'm going

1:12:57

to run through some people real fast. Just

1:13:00

some like, because there's basically 200. We're already in an hour

1:13:02

and we've only covered a couple people, but there are a

1:13:04

lot of possibilities. These are the main ones though. Remember, 800

1:13:07

suspects were cleared by the FBI. We're not going to go

1:13:09

through all the 800 today. Okay. So

1:13:12

one is a mass murderer, John List. He killed his whole

1:13:14

family. He avoided capture for some 20 years. And

1:13:17

some people thought, look, the guy has nothing to lose.

1:13:19

Maybe he's D.B. Cooper. It

1:13:22

was right around the right time. Other than that,

1:13:24

there's no evidence it's him. So

1:13:26

I think, and he went, was eventually

1:13:28

captured, confessed to murdering his whole

1:13:30

family, said, I'm not D.B. Cooper.

1:13:33

Personally, I would grab the D.B. Cooper thing

1:13:35

and maybe lie about killing my family. If

1:13:38

he's lying, he lied about D.B. Cooper and not

1:13:40

the rest of it. So probably not him. William

1:13:44

Gossett. Now Gossett had

1:13:46

a gambling and a money problem.

1:13:48

His son, Greg Gossett, remembers him

1:13:51

having an unusually large wad of

1:13:53

cash in his possession around

1:13:55

the Christmas of

1:13:58

the hijacking. Now, on his 21st. birthday,

1:14:00

Greg was showed something by his father that

1:14:02

would change his life forever. So

1:14:04

William Gossett pulls out this sketch

1:14:07

of D.B. Cooper, holds it to

1:14:09

his face and says, who does

1:14:11

this look like? And

1:14:13

the picture of Gossett was

1:14:15

submitted by the Gossett family sometime thereafter

1:14:18

to the FBI. And look,

1:14:21

if you look at the photograph, there

1:14:23

is a very close resemblance. But

1:14:25

other than that, other than him

1:14:27

having some money and sort of

1:14:29

alluding to his son that he's

1:14:31

D.B. Cooper, there's not a lot of proof there. And

1:14:34

if there's one thing that D.B. Cooper case has shown

1:14:36

to us, it's that people

1:14:38

really want to be a famous criminal and

1:14:40

are willing to confess to it. And

1:14:43

that I think is probably what's happening here.

1:14:46

Lynn Doyle Cooper. So

1:14:49

this is one of the few people who

1:14:51

actually has Cooper as a last name. Now,

1:14:53

Lynn was apparently called Dan by his

1:14:56

friends. I don't

1:14:58

know where to get Lynn or

1:15:00

Dan from Lynn Doyle, but whatever.

1:15:02

And he was actually fingered by

1:15:04

his niece who was only eight

1:15:06

at the time, but recalled that

1:15:09

Lynn and his brother disappeared

1:15:11

for Thanksgiving around that time,

1:15:13

only to reappear after

1:15:15

Thanksgiving to say something about

1:15:18

hijacking an airplane and also

1:15:20

that Cooper was a little injured, which made

1:15:23

her think maybe he was injured in the

1:15:25

jump. She's convinced that her

1:15:27

uncle is D.B. Cooper, but other than her

1:15:29

own statements, there's not a lot of proof

1:15:31

there. He is someone that the DNA has

1:15:33

been compared to the tide doesn't match. But

1:15:35

once again, who knows whether or

1:15:37

not the tie actually belongs to D.B. Cooper

1:15:40

or not. An early suspect

1:15:42

was Ted Mayfield. Mayfield

1:15:44

was a famous jump instructor

1:15:47

in Oregon, and he was

1:15:49

interviewed early on by the FBI because

1:15:51

they thought he may have trained the

1:15:53

hijacker. He trained everybody. If you could

1:15:55

jump out of a plane in the

1:15:57

Northwest at this time, you're trained by

1:15:59

this guy. That actually led some

1:16:01

people to believe he didn't train him. He was

1:16:03

him. There's no real proof

1:16:05

there to it though Walter Raka So

1:16:09

he was a military guy who's an experienced

1:16:11

parachutist. He is another person

1:16:13

who claimed to be Cooper He

1:16:16

said that he actually hitchhiked out

1:16:18

of the area with a truck

1:16:20

driver who was dressed like a

1:16:22

cowboy now apparently This

1:16:25

truck driver was actually identified

1:16:28

and he confirmed that he did pick

1:16:30

up a hitchhiker around the time of

1:16:32

the hijacking Other than this story

1:16:34

though There's not a lot to tie Walter to

1:16:37

the hijacking and he doesn't look anything like the

1:16:39

sketch So if it's him they just got the

1:16:41

sketch wrong, which is possible, but he's generally not

1:16:43

really thought to be a serious

1:16:46

suspect William Smith

1:16:49

Smith worked on a railroad and it's possible

1:16:51

the metal filings which we haven't talked about

1:16:53

a lot on the tie Actually

1:16:56

could have come from his

1:16:59

railroad work The

1:17:01

reason he comes up is there was an

1:17:03

analyst who took a look at this case

1:17:05

and identified him as a possible

1:17:07

suspect But other than this analyst work, there's not

1:17:10

a whole lot there. So that's

1:17:12

just some of the people That

1:17:15

have been identified as possible suspects. If there's any of those

1:17:17

people you want to take a deep dive on trust me

1:17:19

you can Because

1:17:21

there is endless information available

1:17:24

on DB Cooper suspects. There

1:17:27

really are like we said there were you know 800 suspects and Here's

1:17:32

the thing the ones we've talked about they're

1:17:34

popular for a reason There's things about them

1:17:36

that are really attractive because there is a

1:17:39

profile of DB Cooper and there had to

1:17:41

have been Some knowledge about certain

1:17:43

things for him to have pulled

1:17:45

off to the extent that he did Even

1:17:47

if he never made it there was certainly knowledge

1:17:50

there and so I Mean,

1:17:53

I don't know. I just I'd love to think

1:17:55

it's one of these people But

1:17:58

we have to explore this theory This

1:18:00

is the least interesting theory of it

1:18:03

all, but I also

1:18:05

think it's a very possible theory and I don't

1:18:07

want to be that cold water prosecutor but I

1:18:09

have to. And that's

1:18:11

did DB Cooper die on the

1:18:13

jump and none of the people that

1:18:15

we've talked about is really him. So

1:18:18

many believe that Cooper could not have survived

1:18:20

the jump from the hijacked flight. According

1:18:23

to Britannica, at that altitude the winds

1:18:25

are more than 200 miles

1:18:28

per hour and the parachute he used

1:18:30

could not be steered. In addition, he

1:18:33

would have landed in a rugged, heavily

1:18:35

wooded area. Now many doubt his parachute

1:18:37

would have even deployed in winds that

1:18:40

strong, never mind the issue of steering.

1:18:42

So if he was able to deploy

1:18:44

the shoot at all, he would

1:18:46

have been at the mercy of the extremely rough

1:18:49

and rugged terrain below. Look,

1:18:52

this was a daring

1:18:54

thing. You know, we hypothesized that he stood

1:18:57

at the edge of those stairs looking out

1:18:59

into the abyss of this massive storm for

1:19:02

15 minutes, getting his wits about him. Was

1:19:04

he standing there because he was just enjoying

1:19:06

the wind in his face before he pulled

1:19:08

off the most daring hijacking and,

1:19:10

you know, robbery of all time? Or was he knowing

1:19:12

that he'd gone too far and there was no way

1:19:14

he was going to survive this jump? If

1:19:18

his shoot never opened at all, he could

1:19:20

not have survived at all, no matter

1:19:22

if he had jumped in a clear space, as

1:19:24

we may think he may have jumped at

1:19:27

this point. If the shoot doesn't deploy, doesn't

1:19:29

really matter if there's woods or not, nothing's

1:19:31

gonna catch and break your fall. It's just

1:19:33

going to break you. And if it did

1:19:35

deploy, I mean that is still a risky,

1:19:38

risky endeavor. And the fact that we don't

1:19:40

really know who he is and that just

1:19:42

a bit of the rotting money was found

1:19:44

many years later could just be

1:19:46

because he died that night and he

1:19:48

never got away with the money, was never able to

1:19:51

use it, there's no big conspiracy, it ended

1:19:53

in kind of the most boring of ways. And I

1:19:55

think you have to consider that as a possibility and

1:19:58

there were a lot of people in the FBI. eye

1:20:00

who thought that's what happened. Is

1:20:02

that he didn't make it. Now look, one thing

1:20:04

about it is if that's true, they never found him.

1:20:07

And the common refrain there

1:20:09

is yeah, but it's hard to find anybody

1:20:11

in those woods. Those woods are thick. There's

1:20:13

Bigfoot all throughout them. You know,

1:20:15

it's hard to get through them. We talked

1:20:17

about the army expedition to look

1:20:19

for him and how it got completely bogged

1:20:22

down and like even they couldn't do it.

1:20:24

The one thing I'll say is I think it is

1:20:26

very difficult to find a body in those woods. This

1:20:29

would be more than a body if his parachute deployed

1:20:31

at all, which maybe it didn't, but if it deployed

1:20:33

at all, I mean, you gotta imagine there's just like

1:20:35

a body to this

1:20:37

day, just hanging in

1:20:39

a tree in the middle of

1:20:41

Washington with $200,000 at

1:20:44

his feet, other than the money that somehow got into the

1:20:46

river, which is a complete mystery

1:20:48

how that happened. I have no idea. Some

1:20:50

of these, these suspects, you

1:20:53

know, we talked about the one who his wife said

1:20:55

he looked, they took a trip up there and he

1:20:57

came back dirty and it's like, well, maybe he buried

1:20:59

some money there and hope someone would find it. You

1:21:01

know, Robert Rackstraw, they hit the money on purpose. Somebody

1:21:03

would find it. I mean, I don't know. Right. But

1:21:06

they certainly have not found anyone who matches

1:21:09

DB Cooper. And, and I just got to

1:21:11

say, you know, truth matters, Alice.

1:21:15

The hope, hope matters more.

1:21:18

You know, sometimes you find your hope

1:21:21

and your inspiration and, and great men

1:21:24

women who do amazing things

1:21:26

who go to the moon

1:21:28

or incredibly brave or invent some incredible

1:21:30

thing or, you know, create a great

1:21:33

business or invent this incredible thing, but

1:21:35

every now and then once

1:21:37

every, I'm not even going to say

1:21:40

generation, I'm not, I don't even know if it's once every

1:21:42

a hundred years, but once every now

1:21:44

and then your inspiration comes

1:21:47

not from a law abiding

1:21:49

citizen from a criminal, whether

1:21:52

it's Robin Hood or whether

1:21:54

it's DB Cooper. And there is

1:21:56

something about DB Cooper that inspires

1:21:58

us all. His

1:22:01

bravery, his daringness, his

1:22:04

– the fact he was so

1:22:06

polite. The fact that

1:22:08

he went about it in this way, there

1:22:10

is something about him that is pure America. It's

1:22:14

hard for me to imagine another country birthing

1:22:16

a D.B. Cooper, but America did

1:22:19

by God. It's

1:22:21

like a twist on the immigrant story,

1:22:23

Brett. You too can

1:22:26

be D.B. Cooper here. Exactly. You can do

1:22:28

anything in this country. And I choose to

1:22:30

live in hope, Alice. And

1:22:33

because I live in hope, I choose to believe that

1:22:35

D.B. Cooper stood on the end of that staircase, threw

1:22:38

his tie behind him into the plane,

1:22:40

jumped out, deployed his parachute, made his

1:22:42

way to the ground, and got away

1:22:45

with his money. And

1:22:47

I choose to believe that the

1:22:49

person who would do that was the

1:22:51

kind of kind-hearted person who

1:22:54

didn't just live for themselves but did things

1:22:56

like gave money to a friend so she

1:22:58

could buy a house and

1:23:01

lived a life that everyone

1:23:03

described as a good, kind,

1:23:05

caring person. So to me,

1:23:08

D.B. Cooper will always be Ken

1:23:10

Christensen. I believe that Ken

1:23:12

Christensen is D.B. Cooper. That is

1:23:14

my choice. That is where I stand. I can

1:23:16

do no other. And I rest

1:23:19

there. D.B. Cooper is Ken Christensen.

1:23:22

He lived a good life, and he died

1:23:24

never revealing the secret of his true identity.

1:23:27

Sweet, sweet, Brett. I'm going to

1:23:29

treat you like my kids, and I'm just going to let you

1:23:31

believe what you want to believe. Yes, of

1:23:33

course, because you kept your aviators on this entire –

1:23:35

I don't know how you can read anything through those

1:23:37

– through the entire recording.

1:23:41

I will let you have that final word. Unfortunately,

1:23:43

I actually think he died. And

1:23:46

I really do believe

1:23:49

that. The

1:23:52

thing is, I think if he died, he

1:23:54

probably landed in the water. I

1:23:56

think the most likely thing is there are a lot of

1:23:58

rivers. bodies of water, you land

1:24:01

in the water, you get washed out to sea.

1:24:03

Some of the money ends up at Tina bar,

1:24:05

it gets found. That's a minor

1:24:09

possibility of something that could have

1:24:11

maybe happened. Much more

1:24:13

likely he survived. But I guess that is possible. Let

1:24:15

me be very clear. While I think he

1:24:17

likely died and that's why we haven't been

1:24:19

able to identify him. And I don't think

1:24:21

any of the people we've talked about, nor

1:24:23

do I think the 800 suspects or on

1:24:26

the original FBI list are DB

1:24:28

Cooper. I also

1:24:31

don't want him to have died because

1:24:33

what an incredible story. And if he

1:24:35

did die, I'm glad he was never

1:24:37

found because he's allowed us to have

1:24:39

this legend that will continue to endure

1:24:41

because I don't think it will ever

1:24:43

be solved, even if it's Christensen

1:24:46

or any of these people, I don't think it

1:24:48

will ever be solved at this point. And

1:24:50

I love it. I love that it is

1:24:52

unsolved. Whether it's one of these people, whether

1:24:55

it's an unnamed person, whether they are dead,

1:24:57

I'm really glad that we don't actually know

1:24:59

because sometimes, like you said, it's the hope

1:25:01

that's amazing. We cover a lot of gruesome

1:25:03

crimes and they make me very sad at

1:25:05

night and I can't sleep and it makes

1:25:07

me toss and turn. This is not a

1:25:09

gruesome crime. It is a crime, but

1:25:12

it's an amazing crime. And it is one

1:25:14

that DuckTales has made shows about that there

1:25:16

are movies and documentaries about. It's something that

1:25:18

allows Brett to light up a cigarette in

1:25:20

his house full of children, you know?

1:25:23

And it is something that we can

1:25:25

all get a little joy out of

1:25:27

because it is like the ultimate American

1:25:30

dream to be able to pull off

1:25:32

essentially a super man stunt. And

1:25:35

podcasts and documentaries and movies will be made

1:25:37

about him. I think for eternity. I

1:25:40

agree. So the DB Cooper, wherever you are,

1:25:43

buddy, here's to you. I

1:25:45

hope you made it. Cheers.

1:25:49

We should go to the DB Cooper festival. We

1:25:51

really should. All

1:25:54

right. Tell me what you really think about Christians and

1:25:56

because I think that because they've all had so much

1:25:58

attention on them. They

1:26:01

probably couldn't be D.V. Cooper. Well, what's

1:26:03

interesting about that, Alice, is Christensen had

1:26:06

no attention on him from the FBI

1:26:08

because, and this is the

1:26:10

perfect example of confirmation

1:26:12

bias, the lead

1:26:15

FBI agent, for reasons that

1:26:17

are unclear, believed

1:26:19

and would say that

1:26:22

people who worked for the airlines were the salt of

1:26:24

the earth. And they were

1:26:26

beyond reproach, and the

1:26:28

FBI never looked at anyone

1:26:31

who worked for the airline as

1:26:34

a potential suspect in the D.V. Cooper

1:26:36

case because they were of the opinion

1:26:38

that no one who worked for the

1:26:40

airline would be involved in a hijack.

1:26:43

Even if they were former? I mean,

1:26:45

well, he wasn't former. He worked there for another

1:26:47

20 years after the hijacking. Okay. Well,

1:26:49

that's the interesting thing, like what was his

1:26:51

gripe, you know? The stripes. Correct.

1:26:54

That's a gripe. So he was

1:26:56

having to – he was literally having to dig

1:26:58

ditches to make money because the airline was so

1:27:01

unreliable, and he had worked for them for

1:27:03

a long time. And in fact, had worked

1:27:05

for them on this place called Shimya Island,

1:27:07

which is at the end of the Alaskan

1:27:09

chain, if you know how Alaska. So the

1:27:12

reason it's called Northwest Orient is because it was

1:27:14

one of the first airlines that actually traveled to

1:27:16

Asia. And they would

1:27:18

fly, and they would stop in Shimya for

1:27:20

refueling and repairs, whatever they needed, and they

1:27:22

would continue on to Asia. And so

1:27:24

Shimya was just like rock. They called

1:27:27

it the rock, basically. And he was there for two years. He

1:27:30

worked there doing all this repair,

1:27:32

and that's actually where he met his buddy, who –

1:27:35

and I didn't say this in the episode. I don't know why I didn't put this

1:27:37

to say this. His buddy – Good

1:27:39

thing we're recording. No, worked as

1:27:42

an engineer at Boeing. So his

1:27:44

buddy was working over at Boeing

1:27:46

and doing all this stuff. Kenny

1:27:49

was very familiar with all the various airliners,

1:27:52

and this guy – and the theory

1:27:54

is that they did this together. But

1:27:56

anyway, Kenny had sort of a weird life. He

1:28:00

was at Shimmy Island for two years, which was longer than

1:28:02

most people stay there because it was a terrible place to

1:28:04

be, but he was there for that long. He then left

1:28:06

the airline to go work in a

1:28:08

nice tropical location in Bikini Atoll,

1:28:10

which sounds fantastic because they're bikinis

1:28:12

and everything's amazing. But the reason

1:28:15

it's called a bikini is because

1:28:17

we use Bikini Atoll for nuclear

1:28:19

testing. We dropped all these bombs

1:28:21

on it. And

1:28:23

so Kenny probably, when he died

1:28:25

of cancer later on in his life,

1:28:27

was from the radiation that he received

1:28:30

from the nuclear testing in Bikini Atoll,

1:28:32

he left Bikini, went back to the

1:28:34

airline, worked for the airline, made

1:28:37

very little money, and they

1:28:39

were constantly going on strike. And he

1:28:41

was constantly not getting paid. So he was having to take

1:28:43

all these odd jobs, literally digging ditches

1:28:46

just to make ends meet. Then

1:28:48

all of a sudden, he's loaning his friend $5,000 to buy out. The

1:28:51

unexplained wealth is very interesting. I

1:28:54

will say that. But having property he did a lot

1:28:56

of. He is one

1:28:58

of the few with unexplained wealth, but we've prosecuted

1:29:00

enough crimes to know there are other ways to

1:29:02

get unexplained wealth. And what's

1:29:05

interesting, the McCoy theory is

1:29:07

that McCoy was D.B. Cooper.

1:29:10

We jumped out of the plane and lost the

1:29:12

money. And that's why he did the second hijacking.

1:29:16

And that was the theory that his probation

1:29:18

officer thought was that it had to happen.

1:29:20

And then asked for more than twice

1:29:22

as much because he wanted to make up for what he

1:29:24

lost. Yeah, exactly. Make up for what

1:29:26

he lost. The other theory, and you

1:29:28

can go completely down the whole

1:29:30

CIA stuff, is that he was

1:29:33

a CIA operative,

1:29:36

that whoever, D.B. Cooper was a CIA

1:29:38

operative, and he did this. This

1:29:40

sort of goes with the conspiracy theory

1:29:42

about the airlines, that this was all

1:29:44

sort of a government operation to spur

1:29:47

the public to support the spending of

1:29:49

money for security on the airlines. That

1:29:51

that was part of it. I mean, there's just all, you

1:29:53

can just, the great thing if

1:29:56

you've read Skyjack, Skyjack is

1:29:58

a great book. it's

1:30:00

all about the skyjacking but it becomes

1:30:02

a book about it obsession and by

1:30:04

the end of it, I can't remember if I've said this, it's not

1:30:06

me if I have, but by the end of it, literally

1:30:09

the last line is in so

1:30:11

many ways hilarious because by that

1:30:13

point the guy has become so

1:30:15

obsessed with the DB Cooper case

1:30:17

that he is fully in the

1:30:19

whole conspiracy thing. It's a really

1:30:21

good book. If you haven't read it, I recommend you

1:30:23

check it out. Well, you

1:30:25

know what? I don't always end these

1:30:28

like theories with a smile on my face and

1:30:30

this left a smile on my face and that

1:30:32

is a win. There you go. This has

1:30:35

been a good one. I hope you guys have enjoyed

1:30:37

this as much as we have because we have absolutely

1:30:39

enjoyed it. Want to hear your

1:30:41

theories? Who is DB Cooper? What do you got?

1:30:43

What is the evidence? What do we get wrong?

1:30:46

You know, what is the sort of knockdown

1:30:48

proof you have for who DB Cooper

1:30:51

is? And look, I'll just warn you, you

1:30:53

can lose yourself in this one. And this is one you

1:30:56

can fall all the way down the rabbit trail

1:31:00

on. So you

1:31:02

guys should take off

1:31:05

with this case. It's great.

1:31:07

I mean, I always wanted to do DB Cooper. He

1:31:09

was on the original list of things we're going to

1:31:11

cover, but it wasn't

1:31:13

until the kids wanted to do it where I was

1:31:15

like, Oh, yeah, I'm going to do DB Cooper. I

1:31:18

guess that's fine. Yeah, DB Cooper. And now I'm just

1:31:20

like obsessed with DB Cooper. Like, and my daughter is

1:31:22

obsessed with DB Cooper. Thank you, Lidditz

1:31:24

Elementary for like reigniting this

1:31:26

passion. And Brett's daughter will

1:31:28

never sleep again because she only wants to know who DB

1:31:30

Cooper is. And at this rate, she's never going to figure

1:31:33

it out. But you know, if anyone could, she probably

1:31:35

could. Whenever we get in the car, she's like, can

1:31:37

we listen to DB Cooper? So I have to find

1:31:39

some DB Cooper thing because we already listened to the

1:31:41

whole book. So we got to listen to like, you

1:31:43

know, we got to start up the book again or

1:31:45

start up astonishing legends again so she can hear about

1:31:47

DB Cooper. She's just obsessed. So it's

1:31:49

great. Love it. Want to hear what you

1:31:51

guys think. Shoot us an email, prosecutors pod

1:31:53

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much. So thank you to you

1:32:17

guys. Alice, we've

1:32:19

been going for a while. I feel like maybe we should just

1:32:21

close this one off and we'll do questions later. Let's just let

1:32:23

the people go to sleep. We'll do extra questions

1:32:25

next time. There you go. We'll

1:32:27

do an extra question. I feel like we do questions to lighten the

1:32:29

mood. I feel like the mood is pretty light. So there you go,

1:32:31

guys. There you go. There you

1:32:34

go. And this has been great. Next

1:32:36

week, we're going to do, back to depressing

1:32:38

stories again, I'm going to do a missing person

1:32:41

story and see how that goes. That'll be what

1:32:43

we do next week. And we'll definitely have questions

1:32:45

then for tonight. This

1:32:47

one's for DB Cooper, wherever you are, DB,

1:32:49

Dan, what have you preferred personally? I

1:32:51

would go by DB if I were you. If

1:32:54

you're still out there, shoot us an email. We'll

1:32:57

get together for drinks sometime next time we're

1:32:59

in Washington. All right, Alice, we'll be back

1:33:01

next week. But until then, I'm

1:33:05

Brett Cooper. And

1:33:08

I'm my PDB Cooper. And

1:33:15

this is the prosecutors. I don't even know. What do

1:33:17

we normally say? We are the prosecutors. Don't

1:33:19

throw it off, DB Cooper. It doesn't matter. It

1:33:22

doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's

1:33:25

not about wearing a suit. Then I thought better of it. No one wants to

1:33:27

wear a suit at 8.30 pm. So I can imagine a suit that's good enough. There you go.

1:33:35

Imagine a clip

1:33:42

on top of the people

1:33:53

ready. for

1:34:00

this I mean I feel like you're already in character because the

1:34:02

answer is Brett is DB Cooper D

1:34:04

Brett Cooper D Brett Cooper okay here

1:34:07

we go happy birthday no you're

1:34:09

not you can sing this we

1:34:15

can't happy birthday

1:34:18

happy birthday dear

1:34:20

Alice happy

1:34:23

birthday thank

1:34:29

you Marilyn Munbrett oh

1:34:37

my goodness thank you yeah

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