2:00

Just well. Busy, busy. Do you know my favourite

2:02

thing about seeing you out and about is that

2:04

like, I know you're going to be giving a

2:06

lot. It's not just

2:08

for Instagram, you know, like this is consistently

2:10

all across the board. This

2:14

is like, you live and breathe this.

2:16

True to this. Like it's not just Cunt

2:18

on Instagram. It's not just Cunt on TikTok.

2:20

It's Cunt in a real, in a real

2:22

life. Also, we have to talk

2:24

about this, you know, the we, what's the

2:27

word where you reclaim, reclaiming of the word

2:29

Cuntie. Yeah, because I'm

2:31

not so would you say

2:33

it's from the dance scene, the gay scene,

2:35

the idea of Cuntie like to teach me,

2:37

I would say it's travelled down to us,

2:39

like completely from that community. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2:42

A hundred percent is travelled all the way

2:44

down to us. And I

2:46

was actually thinking about that, those terminologies

2:48

that we all say now, like, thank

2:51

God for them. Thank God for our LGBTQ man. They are

2:53

the innovators of everything. They were putting us on.

2:55

Yeah. And

2:57

the way they integrate it just so casually, like

3:00

if I'm talking about reading something, I'm talking about

3:02

read, like, I just say like, read that person

3:04

down. Do you know what I mean? Like,

3:07

how you doing? Like, all of that stuff

3:09

like came like, honestly, like, no, it's amazing.

3:11

It's amazing. It just adds so much like

3:13

colour to the conversation. Yeah, yeah. It

3:15

adds a lot of quality. So why are you taking to

3:18

to claim the Cuntie for you as well? You know what?

3:20

I think for me, it's been

3:22

something that's been like pressed on my head without

3:25

me even like forcing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like,

3:27

everyone's like, Bri Renway is so Cuntie. Bri Renway is Cuntie.

3:29

It's like, what is Cuntie? It's

3:31

just fab. It's a lifestyle. It's a

3:33

spirit. It's an attitude. It's a look.

3:36

It's a signature to how something feels.

3:39

It's a mood. Hmm. What's

3:42

the difference between Cuntie and mother? Mother

3:45

is mother, really. Mother is like, the girl above the

3:47

girl. Mother is mother. The girl above the girl. Right.

3:50

The girl above the girl. The girl's inspiration

3:52

in the mood board, the blueprint. You know,

3:54

I had a life. The thing about mothers

3:56

is not all mothers get their due respect

3:59

because there's many. mothers that they show

4:01

mother is it mother or mother? Are

4:04

you referring to? I,

4:06

hey honey, teach me. I was talking

4:08

mother, M-U-B-A. Yeah. I think I mean

4:11

that as well, it's just the way I speak. It's

4:14

just my speech impediment. I

4:16

mean the mother you made. She's giving mother now. Mother.

4:19

Mother. Not even mother. No, you definitely give

4:21

mother. Do I give mother? She gives mother.

4:23

She gives mother. Like she gives mother, when

4:25

she be posted on Instagram, she gives mother.

4:27

Yeah, see I do feel like I do,

4:30

but if I can be mother and I

4:32

can be mother. No, you're definitely mother and

4:34

mother. Yeah, I'm both. A hundred percent. A

4:36

hundred percent. You've made her a hundred percent. You've made her

4:38

a hundred percent. You're gonna make her a half shit. Be

4:40

your mother and a mother. I'm gonna add you. Thank you

4:42

very much. Exactly. That's exactly

4:45

what it means. I guess what does Cunty give? Cunty

4:47

needs to give Cunty to God, Jesus Christ. Cunty.

4:50

Why am I aging myself like this? Do you know what? Why

4:52

am I aging? What's going on with me? Cunty, please,

4:54

what would you say that that gives? What

4:57

is that? Cunty is a fashion

4:59

girl. Yeah, a fashion girl.

5:01

But her own fashion girl. She's her

5:03

own vibe, her own mood. Cunty,

5:06

like I said, it's like, it's

5:08

a signature touch to your

5:10

lifestyle, your mood. Well,

5:13

what it means for me anyway, it's like, Cunty

5:16

is just an it girl

5:18

thing. Yeah. You know what I mean?

5:21

Like look at your nails, look at your stance

5:23

right now. Look at the way you

5:25

walk. And it's like, everyone

5:28

falls under the bracket of girls for me. I'm

5:30

just like, everyone. Yeah, yeah. You know

5:32

what I mean? Like, it gives the guys the girls.

5:34

Everybody. Everybody is like, there's just some people

5:36

that just have that it thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know

5:38

what I mean? And that to me is like, oh, bitch,

5:40

you're Cun. But there's so many different versions of it girls.

5:42

There are. There are.

5:45

There are. So many different versions of it girls. I

5:47

feel like sometimes people reduce it just to like

5:49

the more edgy addressing. Yeah, yeah. Because

5:51

there was some girls, for example, Melissa is an

5:53

it girl, but she's not edgy. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

5:55

yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It definitely depends on what

5:58

group you're in. I

6:00

got 100% in that group. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%

6:02

I think that's what it is. Everyone has their

6:05

it for where they sit themselves. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

6:07

But not all of you are it. So. Oh!

6:10

Just saying. Well, I mean, it is true. Well.

6:13

Everybody can't be it. No, it's actually, not everybody can be

6:15

it. Everyone can be it. I'm not an it. I'm not

6:17

an it. I'm not an it. No, you guys are an

6:19

it though. I can't out of this. It's

6:21

me. In the podcast world. I'm the one, everyone

6:24

is a two to three. I can't

6:26

out like you. This is the it.

6:29

This is the it. Oh my

6:31

god. I'm the one. Everyone has their two to three.

6:33

Yeah, man. But you can be the it in your

6:35

world. Exactly. It's the it. It

6:37

really is. You've

6:40

got to prioritize yourself in that way. You see

6:42

yourself in that way. And if you don't, it's

6:44

rare that other people will. Well, do it. Yeah, that's

6:46

what it is as well. Yeah, yeah. Like you have

6:48

to get stuff into the world. That's where it starts

6:50

from within 100%. It's massively. It's actually

6:52

crazy how much like your mind can, and

6:55

how you view yourself. Oh yeah. Can

6:57

dictate how the world responds to you. I wish people

6:59

would respond to you how you put yourself out there.

7:01

Yeah. It's actually insane. It's

7:04

actually insane. Like

7:06

we can't manage human behavior, but you can

7:09

actually often give, people can give

7:11

you what you give them. Oh yeah. But you

7:13

can determine the reaction you want from people.

7:15

Yeah, definitely. How you put yourself together. Like you

7:17

sleep on how much like frequency operates. Yeah. Like

7:20

and changes and manipulates how your world is.

7:23

And you know that just based on who approaches you depending on

7:25

how you're dressed or how you're dressed. Do you

7:27

know what I mean? Like thank

7:29

God. Someone actually did a chart on TikTok of

7:31

like different men and what it means. I promise

7:33

you. And what it means when they

7:36

approach you with different looks. Different ways and different

7:38

women. And it was

7:40

just like, oh, you know, this guy is the felt

7:42

hotep. Oh wow. This guy is a

7:44

hotep. You know, this guy is, I

7:47

don't know the successful white collar guy. This

7:49

guy is the manual labor. Oh my goodness.

7:51

And then she did like a chart of

7:53

like what looks would attract this certain guy.

7:55

And it was honestly so funny. You

7:58

know what? I can't lie to you. I've never. In

8:00

my grown adult age, I've never tried to do

8:02

one. Have you not? Why? Never.

8:05

Would you want one, Tolly? No.

8:07

Why not? Maybe that's why, because they know.

8:10

Maybe say the judge about Tolly. And

8:13

they're like, yeah, she's not on it. It's giving... Like, it's giving

8:15

them... No, she really... No, yeah. It's giving

8:17

them a ticket for the niggas. It's giving Nigerian queens

8:19

stay away. Yeah,

8:21

yeah, yeah. Why don't they talk me up?

8:24

I'm friendly. I say no, actually. But

8:26

you don't give friendly, though. You're in space... You

8:28

are in spaces with them. I'm drunk! Yeah,

8:31

you're not! I'm trying to blow you onto the

8:33

box! Is that why you don't give friendly?

8:36

No, you do. You give girls' girl as

8:39

fuck. Yeah, defro girls. Like, big

8:41

sister. OK, OK, I say that. She's

8:43

got a very, like, I've got my

8:45

shit together editor. Oh, yeah, yeah. Maybe

8:47

that's what it is, though. That's what

8:49

they leave me alone. Yeah, maybe it's

8:51

that. In the same conversation, I saw

8:53

something about, like, a

8:55

lot of white men do find black women attractive, but

8:58

they assume that we don't like them. We've

9:00

got our shit together. Exactly. No,

9:02

no, no. And a lot of times,

9:04

people's relationships kind of end up circumstantially. Like,

9:07

it's not necessarily, like, the traditional way. Like,

9:09

you might work with that person or... And

9:11

then we get to that way.

9:13

Exactly. And they won't chat you up

9:15

on road. No, no, no. But even just people chatting

9:17

people up on road, I don't think

9:19

that's really it. There's just some women that just do women.

9:21

You know what I mean? And that can come across a

9:24

bit like, ooh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're not

9:26

really chatting you up on road anymore, which I guess is

9:28

a good thing. Yeah, I guess it's a good thing. Yeah,

9:30

yeah. You chat you up.

9:32

What? You get chatted. Even outside of road

9:34

chatting up, people chat me up from, like,

9:36

a distance. It's like, I find

9:38

that really hot, but tell it a little bit. Tell it a

9:41

little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Super.

9:44

I think it's because, like, people... I feel like people don't realise

9:46

how soft I am as a person. What's your dating preference? What's

9:49

mine? Dacing preference. Do you know

9:51

what? I don't really have a preference. OK. I

9:54

don't really like you to be true

9:56

to yourself. OK. I'm probably anti-Cuban

9:58

changed in Latin. at

10:00

this point of my life. But you know

10:02

what's mad? Because last time- What was I saying?

10:04

Don't do it. Did she say she like to

10:07

keep on saying? Well, last time. I

10:09

was listening to the episode back. No, don't.

10:11

And to be honest, we all changed a lot. We

10:13

all changed a lot. We changed a lot. We changed

10:15

a lot. We've grown up a lot. We've grown up

10:17

a lot. Three years is a really long time. It

10:19

is. What did she say she likes? A lot can

10:22

happen, isn't it? What did I say, I like? We

10:25

basically said that one of the most important things was

10:27

to get on. And then after that, the

10:29

next important thing was a Rolly. No.

10:37

Even Prueus said Rolly. Welcome

10:39

to the six-pop-nose. When we

10:41

unbag your past, I've gone

10:43

from Rolly to Patek to AP. There

10:46

you are now. Apple Watch.

10:48

Apple Watch, please. No,

10:52

but you know what? Yeah, I don't mind. I just think

10:54

you're OK to have those things, but don't let those things

10:56

make you. The one thing I've

10:58

realised through flicking the

11:00

handful of men I've dealt with, I don't really

11:02

deal with people often. I'm very busy and it's

11:04

like I'd rather not deal with men, if you

11:07

know what I mean, because I just think sometimes

11:09

they can really just inconvenience you. It's

11:11

way easier not to. It just is. I know

11:13

it's how weirdly. It's just weirdly just kind of

11:15

easier, especially if you've been by yourself for a

11:17

long time. It's kind of weirdly easier just to

11:19

get on with your life in that way. And

11:21

I love it that way. I love it that

11:23

way. And it's like I was even just talking

11:25

to someone today and I was saying that I

11:27

really need to start praying to shape what the

11:29

future looks like when it comes to including men.

11:32

I do include men in life. There are men

11:34

in my world that cater

11:36

to me and are good to me and stuff like that.

11:38

But it's like I just have this

11:40

visual of me in this amazing house with

11:42

a Lamborghini Huracan and a child. But

11:45

it's like the man. It's a bit blurry.

11:47

It's a bit blurry. It's a bit blurry.

11:49

And it's like I'm totally OK with that.

11:51

Did you grow up with a dad? I

11:53

did. That was interesting. I did. I

11:55

just think it's just the stories I hate. And

11:58

I'm always on the other side of the story. but then

12:00

again, I did experience one mad,

12:03

just mad situation with

12:05

a guy, like mad.

12:07

Do you want to talk to him? Just

12:09

like taught me

12:11

everything I needed to know about narcissism. Taught

12:14

me everything I needed to know

12:16

about gaslighting. Taught me everything I needed to

12:18

know about... Just

12:23

trickery. And just like, wow,

12:25

like you see these guys on,

12:28

whether it's Instagram or Snapchat or whatever,

12:30

and other guys admire them for having

12:32

like all these things, but said person

12:34

is so empty. They're so

12:36

empty. People are

12:38

around them for the wrong reasons, and just

12:40

like so many different things. Just like, whoa,

12:43

this actually isn't it. It's not like this

12:45

isn't it. You live nice

12:47

outwardly, but inside you know no peace.

12:50

And it's like, I step into the picture as like

12:52

this beacon of light. And

12:55

then my energy is so dependent on, because

12:57

I have all the nice things, but I'm

12:59

very centred as a person. So centred as

13:01

a person. So like, you

13:03

could take everything away from me, and I'm fine because I

13:05

have family, and I have raw love. You know what I

13:08

mean? There's love at home, you know? You know what I

13:10

mean? There's love at home. So I'm not moved and driven

13:12

by the things I buy and wear. You could take it

13:14

from me now, and I'd be like, oh, that's a shame,

13:16

but we can resource that or whatever. You know what I

13:18

mean? So you just get to

13:20

see a different... It's

13:23

just, it's not all it's cooked up to be. It's

13:25

not. The way you laugh is actually not all words

13:27

of love. It's just not. It's just not. Especially if

13:29

they've got no personality too much. I'm sorry. It's just

13:31

not. Your whole identity can't be your thing. Or it's

13:33

like, you are the one that have brought their personality

13:36

in and out, and you're like, well, you're actually a

13:38

cool person. Why can't you just be that? Why do

13:40

you need to be that? You know what I mean?

13:42

We talked about that not long ago actually. It's like

13:44

how much sometimes you can be in a situation thinking

13:47

that this person is what is bringing

13:49

all the gist and the gist. Yeah.

13:52

And actually, when you remove them from

13:54

the equation, the gist is still there. You're the one

13:56

that brings the gist. It's just the relationship. It's

13:58

so crazy. Yeah, it's actually... mad how like the

14:00

narrative can be spun on its head. Oh my gosh.

14:03

To make you think that you need that person. And

14:05

actually, you're what keeps this thing

14:07

sparkling and alive like it's actually much. Yeah, it's

14:09

crazy. It's actually crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We go

14:11

through it, we go through it. But I feel

14:13

like it's especially harder for women like us that

14:16

do the things we do. You guys make

14:18

a living off of looking hot and

14:20

speaking real and talking. You

14:23

know what I mean? And then there's like you,

14:25

honey. And then there's you. And

14:27

then there's me that does what I do. So it's like, I

14:29

just think women now, our

14:32

packaging is way more scarier than just like, oh, I

14:35

linked her at a party and she just works at

14:37

a, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's

14:39

just different. Like girls just have their shit together way

14:41

more now. But it's so boring to be like, but

14:43

why is that a deterrent? I know. It

14:45

shouldn't be. It's so boring. Like all they ask is

14:47

they call it masculine. Like it's so boring. Yeah, like

14:49

why? Like you need to put your shit together. And

14:52

the thing is, I feel like as women sometimes we

14:54

can't win. Oh my God. Because when you

14:56

don't have that and you wanna sit in the soft life.

14:59

And you want someone to take care of you

15:01

and all the rest of it, oh, you're lazy,

15:03

you're a gold digger, you're this. But that's also

15:05

like, apparently a bad thing

15:08

to like have your shit together. It's so weird. It's

15:10

so draining. That's why I feel like

15:12

it's very sad because I feel like

15:14

there's only a handful of men that see that

15:16

and they're like, no, no, no. I'm gonna boss next

15:18

to you as opposed to feel out-bossed by you. Like

15:20

you don't need to feel out-bossed. And the ones

15:22

that I don't wanna make you smaller. Exactly. Because those

15:25

are the scariest ones. Oh, they're the worst. The

15:28

men who choose, it's that they look, go

15:30

for independence, like driven women. And then things

15:32

that I mustn't. They just not, yeah, they

15:34

wanna chip away at the end of this.

15:36

They literally never understand that thing. Do

15:39

you know what it is? I realized it. I saw a clip

15:42

on TikTok and it was like from some

15:44

male podcast. And I was so triggered because

15:46

the guy was just talking the utmost shit.

15:48

Wow. And then I realized that a

15:50

lot of the time, like when you unpack the people

15:52

that are saying these things, they

15:54

don't have control anywhere else. Yeah.

15:57

They don't have power. Like they're, they're.

15:59

their boss is talking to them like a piece

16:01

of shit. Do you know what I mean? Their baby

16:04

mum won't let them see their kids. They've got no

16:06

respect anywhere else. So they feel like sometimes like, like

16:08

the only power they have is to step on women

16:10

because it makes them feel elevated. It makes them feel

16:13

bad. And I came up with that, like, I came

16:15

to that conclusion just by watching this. I was thinking,

16:17

you have no power elsewhere. Because men

16:19

that have power in other places, they

16:21

don't seek it here. And actually they have

16:24

to be relaxed. Exactly.

16:26

They're happy to talk to you all.

16:28

Whatever you want. Exactly. They're happy to

16:30

do partnership because actually they, they are

16:32

fulfilled in other areas. You see

16:34

them big boss when they shook up their wands. Exactly. They

16:38

go and see dominatrix. They go

16:40

and see, yeah, dominate. Yeah. Because

16:43

you know, they want to step on

16:45

a man. I could be the shit out of a man. OK.

16:48

Tell me who needs to come down. No, we're not saying who

16:50

needs to come down. Like,

16:52

sexually, sexually, sexually. You

16:54

need to come down. If

16:56

they wanted it consensually, I will go blow

16:59

for blow. You're very right. When

17:02

they do the heels. Yeah. I

17:04

saw a video on Twitter. Yeah, this was years ago

17:06

and this guy was literally, she was a platform

17:08

and it was a white man. And this

17:10

woman had like a six inch leboutin stepping

17:13

on his balls. What with the heel or with

17:15

the platform? The heel. Oh my God. I won't

17:17

be able to do that. The pig out. The

17:19

galley, whatever that she's called. Not the pig. Yeah.

17:21

And she was stepping on his balls. I lied.

17:24

And he was like, loving

17:26

it and gagging. I mean, he paid for that. What

17:28

is that called? Like the pay pigs? Yeah. Pay pigs.

17:30

Yeah. And I guess, yeah. Yeah. Pay pigs are people

17:32

that just give money. Just give you money for nothing.

17:35

Yeah. Right. But the ones that I guess they go

17:37

and see like, dominatrix

17:39

is. Oh my gosh. I don't even really know what

17:41

the point is. I just think it like a pie.

17:43

Yeah. But I could do a young whip on the

17:45

back, you know, a vlog. You

17:47

as a dominatrix would be ridiculous because I just

17:49

don't see you going without. I would be like,

17:52

I would be like, I would be like, Oh my

17:54

God. Are you okay? Did

17:56

I work too hard? Yeah, no, you're right. I don't.

17:59

I couldn't do the whole step. the balls thing. I just

18:01

feel quite so impressed. I think they would explode and bleed.

18:03

So I wouldn't do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I

18:05

was like, I can't do it. I can't do it. I

18:07

can't. Absolutely not. I can't do it. I feel like you

18:10

gave me the vibe that you can. I don't know if

18:12

it's the kind of everyone. Yeah, maybe it's the energy. I

18:14

know everyone says that. I feel like I

18:16

could switch it on, definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel

18:18

like it would be a headspace

18:20

thing. I've definitely got the look for it. Yeah, I

18:22

think it's the look. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I was

18:25

just going to say as well, but just to touch

18:27

on something you said, because I was watching Carlos King

18:29

did an interview with Mona Scott Young. Yeah. And she

18:31

obviously she's so successful. And I didn't even really know

18:33

about a lot of her history. I just know her

18:35

as loving hip hop. I didn't know she was this

18:38

big music manager. She's managed Missy Elliott, her whole career.

18:40

Oh wow. Yeah, she basically kind of discovered Missy Elliott.

18:42

Sick. She used to manage like Busta Rhymes and

18:44

a lot of like, I love you from the distance. Yeah, and

18:46

a lot of like big people back in the day. I had

18:49

no clue. And then she got into TV

18:51

production with Love and Hip Hop. And she was talking about

18:53

the dynamic with her husband because he's a stay at home

18:55

husband. Oh yeah. And they've got

18:57

kids. Yeah, they've got two kids and they're still together.

18:59

They've been married for like 25 years or something. And

19:02

it was

19:04

so mad because Carlos was talking about,

19:07

I think so. You

19:10

know what, Solly? I don't know that he

19:12

still does that now. I don't know that he still

19:14

does that now. I don't actually don't know how, you

19:16

know what, Solly? Not dad. No dad, dad, dad. Sorry,

19:18

that's wrong. That's wrong. Stay at home, dad.

19:21

Honestly, I've got no idea how old their kids are. They might

19:23

be like 12. I've got no idea. But

19:26

yeah, but he basically, and Carlos was talking

19:29

about how he watched some interview, like one

19:31

of the only interviews that Oprah ever did

19:33

and she invited Stedman over. And obviously they're

19:35

kind of like the poster children for powerful

19:37

women. And Stedman is a very successful man

19:39

in his own way. They're still together. Not

19:42

married, but they've been together for donkeys. Yeah,

19:44

yeah, nice. And I think Stedman is an

19:46

attorney, I think, but he's very successful, very

19:48

rich in his own right. But Oprah, exactly.

19:50

And Oprah's also a billionaire. So, you know,

19:53

it feels like it's an imbalance of power

19:55

or whatever. And they were talking about their

19:57

dynamic and then it kind of encouraged Carlos.

19:59

Carlos came to ask Mona about the dynamic

20:01

and the way he phrased it was like,

20:04

oh, you know, how did it feel? How

20:06

did you handle dating someone like less than

20:08

you? Yeah. And she took like such great

20:10

offense to the question. She should, that's amazing.

20:12

Okay, that's a crazy lie. I

20:15

don't think he meant to ask it in that way, but

20:17

it was like, that's what he was implying. Because what's the

20:19

less than? Exactly. Exactly. Let's just

20:21

calm down. It doesn't mean you're less than me. And

20:23

that's exactly what she was trying to say. She was

20:25

trying to say that like, basically she was running this

20:28

like, you know, really big company, you know,

20:30

this big executive and doing all of this stuff. And

20:32

then she found out she was pregnant and

20:34

she realized that actually she couldn't do it all

20:36

at the same time. Of course. And he was

20:38

working alongside her. So he was like, listen, he

20:40

helps me build this company. Without him, without my

20:42

husband, there's no company. So he's definitely not less

20:44

than or anything like that. Less than is a

20:46

wild thing. He's like the second half of my

20:49

brain. Exactly. That's exactly what she said. She said

20:51

that that's my life partner. Without him

20:53

being my support system, I wouldn't be where I am

20:55

today kind of thing. That's mental. Yeah,

20:58

so she was like, you know, he offered. He was like, do

21:00

you know what? I see your gifts. I

21:02

see that you're going to blow. Like you're going to

21:04

make, and you're going to make something of yourself. And

21:06

I don't want to stand in the way of what

21:08

you're supposed to do. So I'm going to. That's

21:11

the King. That's the King. That's the King. So

21:13

he said, I'm going to take her home. And

21:16

she said that, you know, there were certain times where like,

21:18

say he was going off to do something or like he,

21:20

you know, whatever. He wasn't around and she was

21:22

doing it. She was like, no, this ain't easy. Like, it's

21:24

not even a thing of like being a stay at home

21:26

dad because she was like, I didn't know my son had

21:28

so many activities. I didn't know my brother had to be

21:30

here. I didn't know I was doing this and doing that.

21:33

And he's managing their investments and doing all of these other

21:35

things. But I just thought it was like, so the way

21:37

she jumped at him for that phrase

21:39

in and do not forgive me if you might not

21:41

have said less than that. He said it in a way that was kind of. That

21:43

insinuates that. And she was just like,

21:45

no, I wouldn't be able to do it without

21:47

him. That is my equal. Like, it doesn't

21:49

matter what money he's bringing to the table,

21:51

the fact that he supported me. He doesn't

21:53

believe that's my equal. Exactly. That's what makes

21:55

him a partner. That is so

21:57

dope. And then she was saying that.

22:00

because her name was Mona Scott, right? And then

22:02

his name is Young. And she says that everywhere

22:04

she goes, she makes sure people refer to her

22:06

as Mona Scott Young. And she was like, you're

22:08

not gonna like erase my husband. Because that's how

22:10

I- Do you know what I always find in

22:12

those kind of situations? The women in those situations

22:14

always stand up for their king. Like

22:16

they're always- Like when you're getting taken care of

22:18

properly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah,

22:20

yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Male

22:25

bloggers who they're female partners, are the ones, they don't ever

22:27

be like, oh yeah, she's the one that does this. Where

22:29

every woman blogger, whose partner helps in a way, she always

22:31

gives them credit. Do you know what the best do? They

22:33

leave you and they go for their time. They do, but

22:35

the main thing is- I don't think they even stay. I

22:39

haven't seen many men being high end jobs and

22:41

be like, no, my wife holds it down here.

22:43

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They don't acknowledge that. They don't

22:45

really, I mean, they're very asked about saying- How

22:47

much goes into housekeeping, stuff like that. And I

22:49

think sometimes, I think first is because the woman

22:52

does believe it, but also I think is to

22:54

keep her home happy as well. I'm very sorry.

22:56

Yeah. I was not doing that interview, being like,

22:58

oh yeah, that's the man and me, and it's going to go home

23:00

and have peace. Yeah. No. That

23:02

man would have pulled that up. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

23:04

The same with that, who's that player that goes

23:06

out with- So true, actually. The

23:08

Olympian, and I was like, what is it?

23:11

The one that got, he's a football player

23:13

in America, and he goes out to the

23:15

Olympian, girl, black girl. Who's that? She

23:18

Olympian, a tennis player? Serena? No, and

23:20

they kept calling him someone's husband. Oh,

23:22

Simone Biles. Simone, yeah, yeah, yeah. Boyfriend

23:25

or whatever. He doesn't do anything.

23:27

Yeah, exactly. What? Respectfully, we need to. Simone's now

23:29

come out to be like, hey, stop referring to

23:31

him as Simone's husband. He's actually this, this, this,

23:33

that, and yeah, but I promise you- So they've

23:35

had a conversation at home. I promise you, having

23:37

a home, no man. It's going to be like,

23:39

they're calling, thing is, I go home to

23:41

her, actually don't refer to her as my wife. But

23:43

I think it's because the repercussions are different though. Do

23:45

you know what I mean? I feel like if, because

23:47

she's talked about having a stay at home, like,

23:50

dad partner for a long time, and I

23:53

feel like even though that is very progressive,

23:55

I feel like the fact that, like, it

23:57

still needs to be a conversation constantly is

23:59

to- kind of to

24:02

balance it out at the same time. So

24:05

there's still an element of like, not feeling completely secure

24:07

in it. Because it's like, why can't it just be

24:09

that? Yes, that's what I'm saying. I don't feel like

24:11

she's saying it because she's counting up for it. Yeah,

24:14

yeah, yeah. I think Miss Miku's conversation at home is

24:16

gonna be different. Did you come home and you didn't

24:18

stand up for me? Or just people in general. Yeah,

24:20

people in the public. Exactly, exactly. She's been doing her

24:22

lab. Yeah, so you almost have to like, you have

24:24

to overemphasize like, you know, they're

24:27

completely not alone. I was

24:29

just like, oh, he's spoken to you. Yeah,

24:31

yeah, definitely. Oh my God. There's like, there's

24:33

a pressure on her. Yeah, to be like,

24:35

not control them all. He's not that. Yeah,

24:37

yeah, yeah. Yeah, he is, things he says.

24:41

Because he was on a podcast talking about how, oh,

24:43

he didn't really know who she was and blah, blah,

24:45

blah. Also that she's like, his type or something. Oh,

24:47

did you say that? Yeah, yeah. That's why he was

24:49

getting flogged. Do you know how impossible it is for

24:51

man to tell people I'm not your type? I'm not,

24:53

he's like, I'm not, she's not my usual type. Or

24:55

that she, and that she

24:58

was like, fret like, quite aggressively moving to him.

25:00

Oh my God. You could have left like, first

25:02

of all, why are you on a podcast? And

25:04

why are you telling everyone that I'm not? Exactly.

25:06

I could have begged you in your lineage to

25:08

be with me. No one needs

25:11

to know. Don't tell people that. That's what's with me.

25:13

Why? Again, I think it goes back to that same

25:15

thing that I was saying maybe about a little bit

25:17

why women feel like they have to over explain why.

25:20

I feel like we always do that. Yeah, like. We always do that

25:22

in it. We do. It's so true actually.

25:24

Because he probably feels defensive that he's got this

25:26

woman that is, you know, she's my boss, she's

25:28

one of the greats. And he has to justify

25:30

like his presence in their relationship. Yeah, but he

25:32

could have easily been like, he honestly can't leave

25:35

my life. Yeah, exactly. This amazing woman who's this,

25:37

that and the other. You can say that and

25:39

people be like, oh, cute. He wanted to be,

25:41

he wanted to let it be known that he's

25:43

the prize. He's the man of the house. And

25:45

that's like, that's a lot of, that's

25:47

going on way too much. And the ones who truly are, don't

25:49

need to prove it. No, yeah. That the ones who truly are

25:51

can go to your bed and let you be the star. Because

25:54

they know how they just. Yeah.

25:57

They just get. and

26:00

they just get this woman's a boss and

26:02

I'm just gonna boss beside her and we're

26:04

gonna do empire things and it's not me

26:06

versus you, you know what I mean? Could

26:08

you be with someone that is in the

26:10

same field as you? I

26:12

really don't want that if I'm being

26:14

honest. I just, and I would

26:17

think as well, like who? Do

26:19

you know what I mean? I would just think who and

26:21

I just think. Up and coming? Up and

26:23

coming. It just depends how he is.

26:26

If he's not an imposter, and

26:29

you really say you are great,

26:31

let's do it. Because I just can't do

26:33

the imposter thing. Because I will cringe

26:37

so hard I'll probably combust in front of

26:39

you. Literally, I'm like that. I'm so true

26:41

to myself and I just find it cringe.

26:45

I just find certain things just cringe. And

26:49

then I easily lose respect in that

26:51

way as well. When guys just do

26:53

too much. Yeah, I

26:55

think ideally I would love to

26:59

get married to someone who tells me something different.

27:01

I don't know, I don't want to worry about

27:03

what. Doing business and AI. Teach

27:05

me new words, you know what I mean? Are you

27:07

going for lots of Elon Musk? I don't know, what

27:09

are you doing? What are you doing?

27:11

What does that mean? What's this tech language? I don't

27:13

want to be talking about like, oh I just bought

27:15

these new leather pants. Can

27:18

I wear them all? No, you

27:21

can't, leave me alone. Do you know

27:23

what I mean? Do something else. I'm not interested.

27:25

No, I think we can do that. But when

27:27

you talk about E-boy and everything, that's changed. Firstly,

27:29

how are you really? How

27:31

am I really? I feel like my hoodie today,

27:34

just very like... Oh Lord

27:36

of the Mercy, not my house. Your house. Literally,

27:39

I didn't even bring a hat back

27:41

out today. I feel tired, but

27:43

very fulfilled. I feel like

27:45

rolling out an independent release is gearing

27:48

up to do it in a way where, because it's

27:50

the public, they

27:53

will quote unquote give you grace, but if you

27:55

slip in standard, especially the standard that I've created

27:57

for myself and the universe I've created myself. they're

28:00

gonna miss it. They're gonna miss it and they're

28:02

gonna send me notes and like, oh, pre, I

28:04

love you, but it should have been like this.

28:06

Your fans are hardcore. They are. They are. And

28:08

they're hardcore with love. And if I was to

28:11

like, slip up like real, real, real

28:13

bad, like they definitely tell me and be honest. How did

28:15

you get here that you're independent? How are

28:17

we here? I think

28:20

the journey has been so interesting in

28:22

a sense where I obviously signed

28:24

in 2018. Like

28:27

I signed six years ago or something like

28:29

that five years ago last week. Oh wow.

28:31

Yeah. And I feel it started

28:33

off really great. It started off so great. I

28:35

feel like I was in the driver's seat. I

28:37

went into the label. I gave the label a

28:39

presentation of this is who Brie Runway is. This

28:41

is how it's going to go. They were like

28:44

blown away. They've never had an artist that coming

28:46

in, like put up

28:48

a skeleton of their DNA, artistic DNA, and just

28:50

like, and we just

28:52

got straight into it. And at the time, I

28:54

feel like my president really understood what he was

28:56

getting into. Like as soon as I walked in

28:59

on the meeting that got me signed, was that,

29:01

do you know what, a label president, what

29:03

is going on with you? I

29:06

was like, why is her farmer in there?

29:08

Hey, listen here, mother. So

29:11

like he, as soon as I walked in on that, on the,

29:13

on the meeting that like got me signed, signed, signed, like he

29:15

was like looking at my Instagram and he was looking at me

29:17

and my look and like just taking me in. And he was

29:19

just like, I get what you're going

29:22

for. And I know you're going to cost a lot

29:24

of money. And I know we're going

29:26

to have to throw like a lot at it to

29:28

like make it what it is. I'm a black dark

29:30

skin girl. I make a wide

29:32

palette of sounds that come under like pop

29:35

stars and whether it's rock one day, this,

29:37

that I make whatever I want. So that

29:39

takes a team that needs

29:41

to be bold and like willing to take risk

29:43

and just like really push. Like it may look

29:46

like a loss now, but in the

29:48

future, you know, you know, when someone's a star, I know

29:50

when someone has it and I'm one of those people

29:52

that I can confidently say, I'm

29:54

a great investment. And, and then things just

29:56

started to change. Like labels, like. they

30:00

let go of your A&R sometimes, and your A&R

30:02

that signs you is the person that believes in

30:05

you and your sound, me and my A&R were

30:07

like best friends. We used to talk music, talk

30:09

sessions, like just really build the sound together. And

30:11

then as time went on, I started to lose

30:13

my champions and the people that understand me, the

30:16

people that get what it means to stand behind

30:18

a dark-skinned girl that makes whatever she wants and

30:20

is breaking the mold and going against the grain.

30:22

And it started

30:25

getting confusing. The goal started changing from

30:27

let's do something iconic and

30:29

something that will leave a mark

30:31

in history to, let's

30:33

try make it formulated, and Brie's

30:35

never been formulated. And

30:38

in that I started

30:40

getting lost, I started being open to compromising, and

30:42

I never should have, because what that does is

30:44

it creates gaps in your campaign and gaps in

30:46

your story. When I had that

30:48

year of a full run, it's exciting. You've

30:50

got Cardi Fray in your shit up, you've

30:52

got Doja shouting you out, Missy coming to

30:54

you saying, yo, let's make a song. I

30:56

love that song. You know what I mean?

31:00

Consistency and truth does that though. You know what I

31:02

mean? The moment you start and it's like, I was

31:04

in the seat, and then it started feeling like other

31:06

people were sitting next to me and it was getting

31:09

tight to drive, kind of thing, you're still trying to

31:11

drive, but you're barely holding on. And

31:13

it just got confusing. And we got to

31:15

the last song that I did, which was

31:17

with Khalid, that was a beautiful song, but

31:20

I feel like the timing of it probably

31:22

was too early to drop a song that's

31:24

soft in nature. And because

31:26

everyone's used to the edge from me, and I love

31:28

Khalid, and I love how much he took care of

31:31

me through that whole thing. And even Khalid, he really

31:33

wanted that song to be like, this needs to be

31:35

a crossover moment for you. You need to be huge.

31:37

You need to be huge. He had all of that

31:39

intention for me, but I just feel like the song wasn't catered

31:42

to properly, and it was wrong timing,

31:44

I feel. It was wrong timing.

31:47

And then we had this meeting and I

31:49

just shared, the way we're

31:51

even packaging something that could even do what we both

31:54

need here. We're not doing it right. What does it

31:56

feel like? Because you said that and it made me

31:58

think of conversation out of someone recent. which

32:00

is when you feel like, yeah, this is it. This

32:03

is my big break. And then it doesn't. Like,

32:05

do you know when something happens, let's say as an

32:07

artist, you get a song with a big, you get

32:09

a song with Drake. As an actor, you get your

32:11

big role. And you think, after this, I've gone. This

32:13

is it. Like, everyone's actually doing

32:15

like, yeah, this is it. And then that

32:18

happens. And then it doesn't. It doesn't. Oh,

32:21

I've literally experienced that with

32:24

the last two songs that

32:26

if you put on paper, were

32:28

supposed to be quote unquote hits. Yeah. You

32:31

know, I had a song with Stormzy that I

32:33

feel like if was catered to properly

32:36

and certain things just went the right way, it

32:38

could have been a bigger moment, 100%. I

32:41

don't doubt that. Then had a song with Khalid,

32:43

both so close to each other. Both

32:47

should've gone. What happened? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What

32:49

happened? You know what I mean? I feel

32:51

like the signs were all there. Like, you're

32:53

supposed to be the eyebrow-less rock

32:55

star. Yeah. Do that. Do

32:58

you know what I mean? Do that. And you

33:00

can drag, you can still with these connections that

33:02

you make, you can still drag people into those

33:04

universes, but let it just be true. Yeah, yeah,

33:06

yeah. You know what I mean? Let it just

33:08

be true. Why don't like labels and even brands

33:10

that I'm just like when they asked you to do ads,

33:12

why don't they understand that like, you know your audience and

33:14

what's gonna work? Like, it's so annoying.

33:17

It's like, you've signed me or

33:19

you like us or you wanna

33:21

work for a particular reason. No

33:23

one can explain how your audience works more than you.

33:25

So when they try and give you deliverables, like just

33:27

don't make sense, or they just don't make sense of

33:30

your brand. I wanna give you one, I promise you.

33:32

I've never said that one before. I've never talked like

33:34

that. I've never said that one. And I feel like

33:36

that's where the audience switched off because they know it's

33:38

such an alleviation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. From like who you

33:40

are. But also I wanted to ask you like, in

33:43

the music industry now, what is the metrics for a

33:45

hit? Because back in the day, it used

33:47

to be top 40. It was like it's a band top

33:49

40. I used to listen to the whole thing from 40

33:51

to some point and it was like a thing every Sunday.

33:53

But I don't know what it is now. And now it

33:55

feels like we're given facts, I don't really mean anything. I

33:57

sort of think Devadee is saying that 10th is the first

34:00

Nigerian woman to ever. hit billboard, I'm like, what does that

34:02

mean? Like, shit, ah. Like I said, like, some kind of

34:04

gas up a sentence that I think 10 is amazing, it's

34:06

not even anything to her, but that doesn't mean anything. So

34:09

like, what means stuff now? I don't know,

34:11

I feel like what

34:13

means stuff is just

34:15

so random now, TikTok,

34:17

virality, like we live

34:20

in such an algorithmic era now, so

34:22

just like how much you

34:24

pop up on a timeline, how viral

34:26

you go on TikTok, it's kind of

34:28

just been, our artistry, especially for the

34:30

artists that care about art, it definitely

34:32

feels like the most watered down era

34:34

in music ever. Because as the casual

34:36

music listener, we don't know anything that

34:38

goes on in the space and

34:41

the audiences or whatever. You just want to hear what's on

34:43

the, oh, that slaps, you heard it in the five or

34:45

something. And then that's that. And you don't know all of

34:47

that. And more artists now come out of

34:49

the shoe, there's Wade and a lot of the Americans

34:51

talk about it as well, so be like, this

34:53

shit is not, it's not this, it's

34:56

not what you lot think it's packed out to be.

34:58

And then there's also the assumption that like, when everyone

35:00

knows your song, you're now rich. Like

35:04

people are actually out there with

35:07

big songs and are getting arrested

35:09

for fraud. Do you get, whenever someone

35:11

hears that, I'm like, what's wrong with you, you make so

35:13

much money for music. And then they don't

35:15

make, sorry, I'm really sorry. That

35:17

man from Western who was determined to keep going to jail. They

35:20

need to be a duo. Like learn

35:23

from, you know. Back

35:25

to back for years. He keeps

35:27

going back. They can't be earning money. Cause

35:29

why does he keep going, sorry, boy, to get you involved in

35:31

this. But the thing is, no, but the thing is, they're

35:34

so strong to me. I fucking love Western, I'm a

35:36

huge Western fan. And every stop on there should be

35:38

a banger. And like, this man goes back to jail.

35:40

I don't think they need him. They were making bangers

35:43

when he wasn't there. But why is he

35:45

committed? I don't think. And

35:47

it's never like, oh, in one place,

35:50

one time, this man is stealing from people

35:52

with his guilty jail for. I feel black

35:54

in the blue one. No, you're joking. I'm not

35:56

joking. You're joking. I'm absolutely sure I've read

35:58

it once. Like, it was like, oh. It's

36:00

just unfortunate. But things like that is like,

36:02

is it because the music actually isn't doing

36:04

what we think it is? No, I think

36:06

someone like that, like, not even just

36:08

him, just in general, I think people like that are like,

36:11

committed to the wrong side. Do you know what I

36:13

mean? It's like, mentally, like, hard. Whether he was in

36:15

music, whether he worked for TFL, he would have been

36:18

that person. Do you know what I mean? I feel

36:20

like some people, they just, they just unfortunately, they just

36:22

cannot get it together. This just happens to be like,

36:24

they're in a really dope group. Do you know what

36:26

I mean? I think that, you know, Louis and Hallease

36:29

should just be there too. There's just such a

36:31

good part of the shame. Because they're so dope. I

36:33

think they can continue now. Yeah, they

36:35

can continue now. They did it somewhere, they can continue now.

36:37

Yeah, they can continue now. They can continue now. They can

36:39

continue now. They have two beautiful voices. They're going to drop

36:41

a bang on. And drop a song on there. It's great.

36:44

Wait in Western We Love You. Wait in Western We Love

36:46

You. But anyway, so I was only saying that to the

36:48

sense of that, like, you assume everyone's doing well and you

36:50

hear someone's going through, you think for drums, or for more.

36:52

It's like, why are you used to acting like this? It's

36:54

crazy. Because

36:56

the industry has a way of

36:58

making it look bling, bling, blao.

37:00

Like, oh, she has a million streams. So yeah, this is...

37:02

That's one of the kind of meaning mistakes. Do you know

37:05

what I mean? Yeah, yeah, what the fuck is that? Because

37:07

it's like, okay, she has a million streams. But what are

37:09

the spits like in her contract? Do you know what I

37:11

mean? Like, oh, she got this really big sink thing. It

37:13

was like a £250,000 thing, but she got 20%. Do

37:18

you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I

37:21

know that will fuck me off. Oh, trust me. Out

37:23

of the face. It's my boyfriend. Yeah,

37:25

yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

37:28

Yeah. I mean, how many of you came here to

37:30

see me? Yeah, I remember. So you guys, your concert, like, I went to Doja Cat. It's so

37:32

funny. And

37:34

I was like, I think we would have been great to be in

37:36

this concert. Like, as an opener. I thought, I was like, it would

37:38

have been sick. I think it

37:41

would just made perfect sense. And then I talked to someone. I was

37:43

like, how do they work in terms of like, who opens shows? Like,

37:45

how does that work? Is it like, does the

37:47

artist say, oh, I like this person, get them?

37:49

Sometimes, yeah. Sometimes the label pays for

37:51

the artist. I was like, I

37:53

think I'm gonna do that. Cause that's what I was like, I'm not

37:55

gonna do that. Cause that's how we work. Yeah. What,

37:58

for the opening hats? Yeah. I

38:00

just love this idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes

38:03

it's that the artist will completely champion

38:05

for you to be the one, but then sometimes maybe they

38:07

don't have time and then someone just pays for a slot

38:10

or whatever. There's so many tricks. I take no bit worse

38:12

like that. There's so many tricks. I also thought features was

38:14

like, oh yeah, I like that girl.

38:16

Yeah, bingo on. Everyone's like, no. I've heard it's

38:18

a little bit more political. Yeah, yeah, it's more

38:20

like label deals and what makes sense and so on.

38:22

There's so many twists and turns. Some

38:25

connections, genuine, some not. I'm proud to

38:27

be able to say that my

38:30

connections are all genuine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I

38:32

don't know how to do fake and stuff like that. I feel like

38:34

people shout you out a lot. They do. They

38:36

do, you know what I mean? I'm one

38:39

of those really blessed and highly favored people

38:41

from Hackney, from my mom's

38:43

house. You open your phone and it's

38:45

one of the biggest stars in the world shouting

38:47

you out. You know what I mean? I've been

38:49

very, very, very blessed in that way. But that's

38:51

why I feel like it's important for me to

38:53

just stay true to me because the puzzle just

38:56

comes together every single day. So it's

38:58

like a kinder surprise of some piece

39:00

of greatness happening. Truth is the most important

39:02

thing. Truth and consistency. Has there been a temptation

39:04

to be like, let me just do what

39:06

works? Yeah, I did that. Yeah,

39:09

I did that. You just do what works. I did that.

39:11

I definitely did that. And this is why we're here now.

39:13

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I did that for sure. I

39:16

did that. I did that. But it's like,

39:19

it got unhealthy, the kind of language I

39:21

was even using through the doing that and

39:23

through the preparation of me trying to prepare

39:25

my mind to be the artist that does

39:28

that. I literally said, cool, I'll

39:30

close my eyes and sedate myself and I just really

39:32

enjoy this as much. As long as I can

39:34

get to a certain place that can get

39:37

me budget and get me this or that

39:39

or whatever to do the way I wanna

39:41

do. But that's a trick. Like you can't

39:44

sedate yourself and put out music or put out

39:46

moves that don't make sense for you and return

39:48

to your truth. Yeah, yeah. Because you're gonna attract

39:50

a mass audience that like you for that. And

39:52

then you're gonna go back and they're gonna be

39:54

confused. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You might as well go

39:56

the long way to stay here longer as opposed

39:58

to doing the microwave way. and getting a quick bunch

40:00

of people and then you're a nobody in the years time.

40:03

I have a friend who his biggest song, he says this

40:05

is his worst song, he absolutely fucked it up. Really? Because

40:07

it's the biggest song because he did what they

40:10

told him to do. They told him to do. But he was

40:12

like, he absolutely fucking hates that song. What song is

40:14

it? Like, I don't know what he's saying. It's like, even

40:16

when people are like, am I gonna love it? He's just like, fuck off.

40:18

No way. Because it's just a song that he

40:21

doesn't like. It's so sad that he didn't have the case. Yeah,

40:23

yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just not, it wasn't about like it

40:25

wasn't his song. It was something he

40:27

was told to do. But it's just really weird. Because I

40:29

like, especially we've said it before, when the economy's gone to

40:31

shit, the first thing that goes to creativity. Don't

40:34

like do what works, bitch. I

40:36

hate you. Like sing the songs I'm gonna pop on

40:38

TikTok, I'm gonna pop here. All of this creativity you

40:40

want to be doing, can't do it, uncunt. Like,

40:42

go and uncunt. And

40:47

do what needs to be done. And

40:50

it's really hard to stand your ground in that

40:52

situation. It is, it's so tough. It's so tough

40:54

because you want music to be

40:56

your means of living. You also want to

40:58

be heard. You also want to be seen.

41:00

It just, like this tug and pull, it's

41:02

so like intense. It's so intense.

41:04

And it's like, the thing that makes me so like

41:08

annoyed sometimes, that people don't know you're going for that tug and

41:10

pull on them. They just see you in passing and just have

41:12

so much to say online. It's

41:14

so crap, innit? They just have no clue. They've

41:16

got no idea. If you see me in passing

41:18

for 30 seconds and you have a world of

41:20

something to say. A whole story, you know? Yeah,

41:22

it's okay. There's no time to even see you

41:25

in passing. No, they don't even say date. And

41:27

it's just like how they have to go out of their

41:30

way to deliver the message to you. Yep.

41:32

They go out of their way. You must know that they

41:34

have this bad thought about you. And there's nothing else you

41:37

need in your day for them to, for you to know.

41:39

But that, this bad thought that they had about you guys.

41:41

I see people do it to us. It's like, it

41:44

was Tenashe and Nooranya. You see a lot of people

41:46

like, oh, she's just not popping, man. There's something off

41:48

of that. But it's like, we don't know the politics

41:50

that happen inside. We actually don't know what's going on.

41:52

We don't know the politics. They're doing that now with

41:54

Arrestar and Tyler. Oh, are they? Yeah,

41:57

it's bad. But why? Why are they putting them

41:59

together? The fan groups are

42:01

basically beefing with one another. And it's

42:03

not because the girls are friends and

42:06

they've made a song together and they always let

42:08

it be known that they're cool. But the fans

42:10

are just creating this division and pit them off.

42:13

It's actually so insane. And

42:17

it's just like, there's such different artists. And then

42:19

one fan group is saying, this person's biting from that

42:22

person, blah, blah, blah. I don't think they're similar in

42:24

any way. I don't think they're similar in any way.

42:26

They're both Africans. Yeah. They're both African

42:28

and mini-sirts. They're both slim and young and African. That is

42:30

literally it. That's literally what it is. You know what I

42:32

mean? And if you look into the album, you realize how

42:34

they're very different artists. That album is different. They're so different.

42:36

I don't put them in the same arena at all, but

42:38

people, I guess, I don't know why people put so much your

42:41

air in that. I think people just have a lot

42:43

of time. People have a lot of time. And people

42:46

just thrive off of creating story lives. Yeah, yeah,

42:48

yeah. You know what I mean? It's like, it

42:51

gets them going. It gets them going. What was

42:53

the last show and what made you say to

42:55

be like, yeah, no, fuck this. I

42:59

had a meeting on,

43:02

I went into the label to shoot content

43:04

for the single, For Be The One. Yeah.

43:06

And I went in. This was the first

43:08

time I've never said hello to

43:11

anyone. I was just down. You know what I

43:13

mean? I had glasses on. Do we just fed

43:15

up? Yeah. I was just like, oh my

43:17

God. It's like, we have something

43:19

good on our hands. Like, why is the moving

43:21

parts around this not moving? Like

43:23

the way it should. Like, there shouldn't

43:25

be tensions. We should be excited, energetically

43:27

going into this to just make this

43:29

the best thing. And

43:32

I went in and then someone from the label

43:34

that I hadn't met before came in and I

43:36

shared all of my concerns with him. Like, I

43:38

was literally sat down. I just told him, I

43:40

am tired. This is not how it's meant to

43:42

be. This is just detailed the kind of concerns

43:44

I had. Did you not like therapy? No,

43:47

no. I think they

43:49

should definitely have to do that. Like

43:51

mental health department as far as. Like definitely, I

43:53

think that should be a thing. So

43:57

I started speaking to him and you

43:59

know. it was a situation that felt like a

44:01

safe space, you know what I mean? Yeah.

44:04

And it wasn't. Been every job

44:06

I've ever had. My

44:08

dumb black ass. Heavy on my dumb

44:11

black ass. Heavy on my dumb black ass.

44:14

I should have said that while we're honestly at

44:16

the next day, I couldn't use that. Sorry. Yeah,

44:18

it felt like a safe space. And you know

44:20

when it's like, I'm one of those people

44:22

that come, I'm funny, even in my pain. You know what I'm

44:24

like, you know what I mean? Like, you're never

44:27

gonna catch me like when I saw you outside. Of course

44:29

I'm tired, but I'm not like, Tolly,

44:31

like, I'm not like that. You know what I

44:33

mean? Like, all hugs. Oh, girl, I'm tired. Look

44:35

at my legs. I told you that the tea

44:38

is straight. And I said it

44:40

in that energy of just like, obviously I'm not

44:42

happy. This is this is blah blah blah blah

44:44

blah blah. And then he was

44:47

like, even offered his number to me. Like, you

44:49

know what, I'm here to work. And

44:51

he agreed with me in the moment that all my concerns

44:53

were valid. And then walked away and was like, text my

44:55

manager and said, yeah, that was the worst artist meeting ever.

44:58

Like, really. Who wasn't there meeting? I

45:00

was like, wait, what? We're

45:03

literally just talking and all my

45:05

concerns are valid. He was like, that was

45:07

the worst artist meeting like something like in his

45:09

whole career. They

45:11

always add salt and pepper when it's that kind of thing. They always. I

45:14

was going to bed in the face. Worst

45:16

artist. I need some sex. I

45:18

need some cute. Hey, you

45:20

got all that good. The worst artist is like, it's

45:22

a title. It's a title. I'm going to make it

45:24

a job. Worst artist. I need some

45:26

sexy. Hey. Bloody hell. Yeah.

45:30

And then he said that. And I was just like,

45:32

one thing, the one person I like to run stories and things

45:34

by is my mom because she always has, I'm rerun this mom.

45:36

I get whatever I want, but she would drag me for filthy.

45:38

She needs to. Yeah, absolutely. So

45:41

I told her everything. She was like, how

45:44

are you the worst artist? She didn't understand. I was

45:47

like, okay, well, if you say then cool. Yeah. Oh,

45:51

she's going to give it to me straight. Even if I just say my father, she didn't need it.

45:53

She would have given it to me differently. She

46:00

was just like, I don't understand what the

46:02

issue is. Yeah. And then that also

46:04

came out in my Vogue interview yesterday and everyone

46:06

was just like, wait, what? It's

46:09

just strange, it's just strange. But I just feel like us

46:12

black girls, it's like we're cool until we're not

46:14

cool, y'all. Do you know what

46:16

I mean? Once you stop molding and folding,

46:19

you have to be, oh, I'm really happy.

46:21

I'm happy. You can't put

46:23

a bow on unhappiness. Or you have to be

46:25

like, I'm really grateful for what you've done. I'm

46:27

really grateful. Yeah, thank you so much for everything,

46:29

bro. I was really upset with you.

46:31

Please start with some more. Like fuck off. It's

46:33

okay. You've got like, it's not okay. Yeah,

46:36

I mean, it's like we're hot

46:38

until we're hot. And

46:40

then the most mid people can come in with this

46:43

long list of demands and you're just like, you are

46:45

so mid. Yeah, absolutely. And look at this long list

46:47

of diamonds that everyone's running around, like headless chickens to

46:49

make it happen. And I just want water with

46:51

my, I just want water on my head. Can

46:54

I just have a wig observation? Look, I remember when

46:56

she keeps asking me about her makeup. It's so

46:58

crazy. I just want someone to check my wig because

47:00

it's so crazy. I mean, you

47:02

know. Exactly. Like, is that crazy to us?

47:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that crazy to us? I just think they

47:07

just have a way of like making you look mad. Yeah, yeah.

47:09

You know what I mean? They have a way of making you

47:11

look mad. Like it's a form of gaslighting. Did you ever start

47:13

questioning yourself? Yeah. Like

47:15

I was like rereading my behavior

47:17

and this and that. I was like, there's

47:19

actually artists that are like smashing stuff against

47:22

walls, fighting shows. People just came in there.

47:24

I was sat down. I didn't stand up

47:26

in anyone's face. I didn't even shout to

47:28

the extent when other people outside are like,

47:31

oh. You know, nothing like that. You

47:33

would have even thought it was like. A

47:35

normal conversation. A normal conversation. Just black people, black

47:37

people. And you know the way our mannerisms are,

47:39

whatever. Just like. Oh yeah, but you how dare

47:41

you? Because I'm a

47:43

hand gesture talker as well. And that

47:46

has probably this. This and

47:48

this. No, that's not it. Yeah, because I did this and this.

47:50

But they'll tell you, if you had a hand in my face.

47:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we were at a distance. It's probably like

47:54

this. I don't have a handstand. I just talk with my hands.

47:56

Yes. It's very, very time. So I'm

47:58

a manager where you just like. I'm done. I was

48:01

like, but I knew I was

48:03

done anyway. I was like, I know this isn't going

48:05

to work. Like, this has already started off on the

48:07

wrong floor. Do you know what I mean? This release,

48:09

and this is supposed to be a release that has

48:11

all the ingredients for the formula that a record label

48:14

likes. And we still can't even get our shit together.

48:16

You're full for this. And the energy is just wrong.

48:18

We should kind of be celebrating a moment like this.

48:20

You know what I mean? A London girl got a

48:22

song with someone like Khalid. It's like so major. Like,

48:24

we should be in a group

48:27

chat, huddled. Like, this is sick. This is

48:29

sick. Let's work it. You know, but it

48:31

wasn't that. It wasn't that. How did I take

48:33

it when you were like, believe me? I

48:37

just think I didn't

48:39

have the conversation myself. Because how does it work? Do

48:41

you have to see out a contract? You

48:43

have to see out a contract. Like some

48:45

people, I think the conversation, I don't know.

48:47

I feel like getting dropped is worse. Obviously,

48:50

you know what I mean? Getting dropped is

48:52

worse. But there was a toe to tone

48:54

us out when I was getting out of

48:56

the contract 100%. They had stuff to

48:58

say. I had stuff to say. And then there

49:00

was just a standstill. You know what I mean?

49:02

There was a standstill for a second. I feel

49:04

like when you get dropped, it's like, honey, it

49:06

doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what we have. Just

49:09

go. Just go. Yeah, yeah. I

49:11

think the whole like, the way

49:13

the music industry can pick you up and drop

49:16

you is a brutal process. Like you

49:18

could be the favourite. You walk into a

49:20

record label. Everyone's kissing and hugging you when

49:22

you get a freaking like an

49:24

accolade with some big champagne. Everyone's

49:28

texting you, screaming. And then you leave

49:30

and you don't hear from anyone. You

49:34

just don't hear from anyone. It's like

49:36

radio. Even people that work with you

49:38

one on one are not like, hey,

49:40

just checking in. But like, you

49:42

can talk every day. Some people, some people,

49:44

some. But it's like, it's just

49:46

crazy how it goes from this like abundant

49:48

thing of like. So

49:51

always think of it like, you know, like when you watch

49:53

the Brits and you see everybody in their label on the

49:55

table. That's how I always envision it to be. Like these

49:57

people that are like, you and your label at all times.

50:00

back in you when their artists wins an

50:02

award and everyone's cheering and happy. I always

50:04

envision it, I guess, the best of times

50:06

in that exact moment. I

50:08

definitely feel like if

50:11

the seats were swapped

50:14

around and reorganized and rejigged the way it could

50:16

have been that. I feel like it

50:19

just started to become maybe not the

50:21

best people for my project. I

50:23

feel like if there was a consistent thing

50:25

with the people that I started with at the label, definitely

50:27

I feel like we would have had a lot more wins

50:29

and we did it consistently and just took

50:32

the risk. I don't really feel like

50:34

record labels are, especially today, are built

50:37

to do risky. Is

50:42

this popping off on TikTok? Yes or no? Is there

50:44

a world where you take personal, I know it's really,

50:46

really hard because it's your personal dream and it's your

50:48

lifelong dream and everything. I don't think

50:50

I'll be able to do this. I'm just asking that

50:52

you're like, you know what, ultimately they just want money.

50:55

They do just want money. Yeah. So you just

50:57

have to take your personal, like you could

50:59

have been anybody. And it really has not

51:01

taken personally because it's happening

51:04

to you personally. No, no, I get it. So

51:06

that's what also makes me feel like an

51:08

artist, like myself, who is like a visionary

51:11

and who thinks not

51:13

in a non-formulated way, it doesn't make sense

51:15

for me to be in a major label

51:17

system because record labels aren't thinking like boldly

51:20

like that. Do you know what I mean? They

51:22

want guarantee and that's fine. You know what I

51:25

mean? They want guarantee. I don't know if the

51:27

energy is let's break this artist. No, no, no,

51:29

no, no, no. I feel like maybe there are

51:31

some good A&Rs out there like that. I'm not

51:33

going to, but I

51:35

just, I don't think that's the general tone. I don't know,

51:38

from what from the West, as I've heard, I feel like

51:40

it's never been that. I feel like if you pick up

51:42

the J-Lo's of the world, where they make them a star,

51:44

you look away, you do this, we're going to make you

51:46

a star, we're going to get sun-quarters. I think they just

51:48

kind of, and I feel it every time I'm like, I

51:50

pitched something and like, yeah, no. And the

51:52

getting yourself back up after every no is, it's

51:56

crazy. Back then there was more balance. So for every

51:58

J-Lo, there was someone that was a bit. that

52:00

was an artiste, you know what I mean? I feel

52:02

like all back then it was all artiste. Yeah, that's what I'm

52:04

saying. I feel like back then, yeah, I feel like, because even,

52:06

yeah, yeah, I think that for every sort

52:08

of novelty act, there was a Lauryn Hill, or

52:10

there was someone really, really dope. I feel like

52:13

there are some artists now, and I think

52:15

you're a great example of an artist today,

52:17

that would fit the infrastructure of

52:19

yesteryear, and maybe the way the

52:21

industry was set up yesteryear, because

52:24

there was a lot more room for creativity back then. And

52:26

not to say that the music industry was perfect back then,

52:28

so it definitely wasn't. It was definitely not. I used to

52:30

intern at Universal Music, I saw some fangs, okay? But I

52:33

feel like there was a lot more focus on the

52:35

creativity and the artistry, but I guess the whole

52:37

thing needs to be

52:40

dismantled, because it's just the money. I

52:42

think it can be now. It's actually late, because

52:44

a lot of the time back then, it was

52:46

based on sales, isn't it? Like physical sales, and

52:48

they were getting their money, they were recouping their

52:50

money now with streams and stuff. Yeah, and with

52:52

TikTok, and TikTok, all the rest of it. Could

52:54

you see when singers do this whole thing

52:56

of this, my label said I have to make a TikTok to

52:59

make this song, but I was like, here's your TikTok. You can

53:01

just see their frustrations, I'm like, for fuck's sake. I

53:03

don't wanna have to, did you sometimes just like, I'll

53:05

tell you a funny story. Shouldn't it not be? Have you not got

53:07

a fucking market in TikTok? Why am I doing a market in TikTok?

53:09

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I've got really, really, really good tea. What's

53:11

the story? I'll tell you a funny story. A song of

53:13

mine called Pressure started to pick up on TikTok,

53:16

the numbers. I promise you had nothing

53:18

to do with the song. It

53:21

was accidentally, I think it was even

53:23

accidental, accidentally attached to this science thing

53:25

that people are doing, or doing this

53:27

game or something. Right. They didn't know

53:29

who Bri Runway was. They

53:31

didn't care that Bri Runway was part

53:34

of the, it was nothing to do with my

53:36

song. Then I got an email saying

53:38

that she needs to do the TikTok or

53:41

be unforgivable if she doesn't do the TikTok. Unforgivable, that's

53:43

a bit strong. That means I must buy

53:45

four. I did the TikToks by fire, dude. Nothing happened. It

53:49

was about answering the answers. My song

53:51

was accidentally attached. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's

53:53

not like that happening

53:56

moved Bri up to viral 50 on.

54:00

What? So if you saw the TikTok, I was like,

54:02

I was playing this game. I was like, do you

54:04

even know the game? I didn't even know the game. I didn't

54:06

even know the game. I was so confused.

54:09

I was like, all right, not unforgivable, because

54:11

also as a black girl, I

54:13

do like to look like I'm trying as well.

54:15

Do you know what I mean? Or like, oh,

54:17

she's just so difficult. Like, I hate how like

54:19

industry people talk about certain artists for having maybe

54:21

boundaries. Yeah. This or that. Oh, she's horrible. She's

54:23

a nightmare to work with. So I was like,

54:25

OK, I'll do this game. So I'm not a

54:27

nightmare. So I'm not a nightmare. And it's like,

54:29

oh, it was about to take off on TikTok,

54:31

but she just didn't do it. It was kind

54:33

of thing. You know, it was never worse. I

54:35

did it and obviously nothing came of it. But

54:37

I'll tell you, she did it late. But exactly.

54:39

And they will never just be like, oh, she

54:41

was late. She should have done it

54:43

in the hour. Like, that's what they'll tell you. Or

54:45

she wasn't looking happy enough in the video. Yeah, they

54:47

will find some way to switch it on every time.

54:50

It's sci-fi because of my hour. Like, if

54:52

you are Susan, black Susan who works in

54:54

a nine to five thingy, or you are

54:56

the superstar, the same aggression. Oh, but you're

54:59

the same every, every single time. Like,

55:01

if you just, I don't know, one minute late from your lunch,

55:03

she always takes the piss off. Oh, my God. Yeah,

55:06

the one day. But more time, you never even go

55:08

on a lunch break. But no one notices. No one

55:10

ever says, she never takes her lunch break. Yeah. The one

55:12

day, you're two minutes late. Yeah. Well, you do

55:14

want to see them on lunch. She never really participates. So she'd

55:16

be, oh, my goodness, not the participants. The amount of girls

55:18

that I've been like, it's like Muslim girls who don't, girls

55:20

who just don't drink, they'll be like, people don't like me

55:22

in my office because I don't come out to drink. Because

55:25

I won't go to drink with them. Like, I just

55:27

want to fucking go home. Literally. Yeah, let's normalise just

55:29

dying and doing your job and it doesn't matter. And

55:31

going home. It's fine. When I know I'm not personality

55:33

higher. There's sometimes I'm aware that I'm personality higher. I'm

55:36

here for the shits and geeks and the cool, whatever.

55:38

Shits and geeks. Whatever. But if I know I'm here

55:40

to do my work, I don't need to be here.

55:42

I'm making you look geeky and laugh. Like, it's not

55:44

up to you. I'm not a clown. So

55:46

what does independent look like? Are you actually like, you know what I mean? Yeah.

55:49

Like, my whole release that has

55:52

just come out is all self-funded. Because

55:54

I wanted to set the tone for

55:56

like anyone that I'm going

55:58

to partner up with, not major label. I don't

56:00

want to partner with a major label right this minute.

56:03

If I do, it has to make sense. But I don't

56:05

know. I just feel like, oh, we have so much freedom now

56:07

to kind of like create the systems that we

56:09

want. So it may not need to be me reentering

56:12

that kind of like structure

56:14

again. But yeah, spending

56:17

thousands of pounds to put this together. This

56:19

is just an idea. What

56:22

are the black of it doing? It's

56:24

like some sort of like. As in, like,

56:27

I don't like bonjour-zy doing it for real, for

56:29

real. Because I want to see so many like

56:31

lovely ideas that people just don't have the funds

56:33

for. But they are black bonjour-zy. They

56:36

are making money. It's like, hey, why don't you

56:38

invest in this? Like, hey, I'm going

56:40

to give you. So when I was in Nigeria, there's

56:42

a group of friends that met in Nigeria. They're really

56:44

great at this thing of that. Hey, this person's got

56:46

a business idea. And let's put a

56:48

hand in it. Honestly. Yeah. And this person's got in my

56:50

notes, their friends and everyone's got 5K. Oh,

56:53

nice. Everybody has done it. So good. Destiny Helpers. Do

56:55

you think I can wake up? I should be able

56:57

to wake up and call all my friends who haven't

56:59

been like, hey, guys, can I have 2K for a

57:01

project? And your friends should

57:03

be like, you know what? It would be good if we could support

57:05

each other like that in it. That would be great. I guess it's

57:07

actually OK if we could lead to it. But we can actually find

57:09

out. If we come now to be like, hey, there's a bunch of

57:12

people I know in this space. You can probably afford to give me

57:14

2K each. To help

57:16

finance this music video I want to do. You should

57:18

be able to get that. Yeah.

57:21

Because somewhere, you get every turn one day,

57:23

it might not be today. And also that

57:25

we spent 2K on lesser things. Oh, definitely.

57:27

People have that money and spent it on

57:29

lesser things. Like pissing it out in alcohol.

57:31

Oh, in alcohol. Well, 2K from

57:33

10 friends, that's 10K and I can pay for something. I'm

57:36

sure it's substantive. And I just don't know. You see music

57:38

and people who want to make films and things like that

57:40

as well. If a bunch of people that

57:42

might not be in that film world, I mean, tech

57:44

and blah, blah, blah, blah, like, actually, I've got this

57:46

to say. Yeah, yeah. Take it. It's so true, actually.

57:49

I've never understood why something we don't do.

57:51

And like Tebi from Night's Webbers was around mine yesterday,

57:53

actually. And I was like, is it mad that now

57:55

if I say to you, oh, I'm getting married, you

57:57

would pay for the cake. I pay for the. But

58:00

if I say, hey, I want this business, I'm like, hey, can you

58:02

give me your like, oh, I don't know, man, it's a really

58:04

easy, like what we say. But

58:06

if it's like anything, no, that marriage is

58:09

dumb, but everyone would have done it, I'd pay for your cake,

58:11

do it, I'd pay for the cake, I'd pay for the cake,

58:13

I'd take this, I'd take this. I'd take this, I'd take

58:15

this. It's not that marriage is dumb, I'd take this dumb, but

58:17

it's like, we share the same pictures. There's

58:19

bigger pictures, there's bigger pictures, yeah, definitely. That would be cool

58:21

actually to support each other in that way, that would be

58:23

cool. And it's very doable as well. It

58:26

is doable. Yeah, you're not asking about for 50K each.

58:29

No, no, no, no, no. And then it allows

58:31

this person, and then we get more versions of

58:33

Bre. We get upper Bre's, we get you to

58:35

actually get to like, live out your dream in

58:37

this really big way, because your fans and your

58:40

listeners are gonna pull money into you.

58:43

You just need to be able to make the ship. Yeah. Yeah.

58:46

That's the thing. Yeah. Because everyone

58:48

is self-funded and self-made, and I don't even believe in that

58:50

self-made, because I need, make me. Yeah, is that a key?

58:52

Yeah. Somebody help me today, like can

58:54

a job apply for me? Can

58:57

money make me? Like a client. Literally,

58:59

I'm not gonna lie for me, please.

59:01

Like it's actually not, because then God forbid, what happens

59:04

if the money runs out? And then it's like, now

59:06

we accept that's a dream dead. No. And

59:09

the dream can't die. Not. The

59:11

dream can't die. Because I don't know though,

59:14

like this is where God is interesting though,

59:16

for me. I just feel like, there's

59:20

always money to fall from somewhere.

59:22

Yo. Do you know what I mean? God

59:25

shows up to me like, here I am. God

59:27

shows up every single time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh,

59:29

you thought. Like literally like, the two times I

59:31

remember, I did a Kentish Town Forum show last

59:33

year, and obviously when you're signed, you're

59:36

supposed to have tour support and stuff like that. I

59:38

didn't get a pound towards that

59:40

show. And I'm seeing

59:43

tickets from people attaching their flight details to

59:45

their ticket and messaging me, saying, oh, I'm

59:48

flying from Canada, flying from Paris. I was

59:50

like, wow. I remember sat on my balcony,

59:52

I looked out onto the balcony, and I said, how

59:55

am I gonna tell that this show isn't happening anymore?

59:58

Like, what do I do? Prayed,

1:00:01

prayed, prayed, prayed, prayed, prayed, just

1:00:03

to my manager. I

1:00:05

think we even had to like get a loan for it. To

1:00:07

make it happen. To make it happen. Yeah,

1:00:11

Lizzo, when I went on the Lizzo tour, how

1:00:14

can I decline my first arena tour? Yeah,

1:00:16

of course. No tour support. I

1:00:18

have to go. How can I? Wait, so

1:00:21

there's like, Lizzo's team or whatever, the mate acts don't

1:00:23

pay for your staging or anything like that or outfits.

1:00:25

You get a contribution cut, but putting on shows is

1:00:27

a lot of money. Do you know what I mean?

1:00:29

To be able to entertain a whole arena every single

1:00:32

night. And you want to shout out. Like

1:00:34

I had to pay for, personally I

1:00:36

pay for this myself actually. The screens,

1:00:38

just so people can see me. Do

1:00:41

you know what I mean? Oh, that's so intrusive. No. Oh

1:00:43

wow, that's so intrusive. You have to pay for fans as well

1:00:46

to blow your hair. Depends that luckily

1:00:48

myself and Lizzo's team and stuff, like

1:00:50

we became mad cools. There's just things that they

1:00:52

just, just turn on this side. My goodness,

1:00:54

do you know what I mean? But so otherwise they'll just

1:00:56

leave you there sweating. They'll just leave you there sweating. That

1:00:58

is not. And if you don't have a good relationship, they

1:01:00

will just leave you there sweating. Yeah. But

1:01:03

like if it's, we

1:01:05

became like a family. Do you know what I mean?

1:01:07

I would love to even work with like Lizzo's lot

1:01:09

again. Like they were just so amazing like to work

1:01:11

with. But yeah, you got to

1:01:13

pay for all the little fan details. If you want confetti,

1:01:16

you need to pay for that. If there's every single detail

1:01:18

of a show you need to pay for. And

1:01:20

I didn't get tall support for that. So again, that

1:01:22

was partially my money and some. Wow.

1:01:24

Yeah. Now the

1:01:26

screens, like, damn, I thought the screens were

1:01:29

just. Not inclusive. You can't just turn them

1:01:31

on. Time-ax, whatever they're called. Yeah. I'm

1:01:33

so proud of people for making that step. Yeah.

1:01:35

No, I have to. I, yeah,

1:01:38

I've told them many people who have done it. No, I know.

1:01:41

It's easy to like look at the break down. You know

1:01:43

what, let me just make the music. And just, yeah, yeah,

1:01:45

yeah. I'm not doing, no, I have to do it. I

1:01:47

have to do it because I just feel like girls like

1:01:49

me, we stand for so many other girls and so many

1:01:51

other people. Like I just came from New York and just

1:01:54

seeing the crowd of people. And I'm like, it's

1:01:56

so crazy to me that you guys are all in

1:01:59

this room. different colours, black, white,

1:02:02

every type of sexuality, like whatever. There's all

1:02:05

sorts of flavours in this room. And

1:02:07

we've all come together from me taking a

1:02:09

leap of faith. And it's

1:02:11

like it's it's when I was growing up, it's

1:02:14

like, it's like Lady Gaga. It's like NERD and

1:02:16

like queuing up in those kind of queues for

1:02:18

those kind of shows and finding other girls that

1:02:20

are like me. You know what I mean? That

1:02:22

at school felt other than like in real life

1:02:24

because they're wearing big new rock boots that everyone's

1:02:26

looking at them like, wait, huh? You know what

1:02:29

I mean? Like, I'm so

1:02:31

glad I get to be a home to people

1:02:33

like that. You know what I mean? To people

1:02:35

that are like an extension of me. So I

1:02:37

just feel like it's just very important for Brie

1:02:40

Runway to be platformed like by any means necessary.

1:02:42

So, yeah, I will invest in myself and yes,

1:02:44

I will go out of my way to make

1:02:46

sure like all the details are there because why

1:02:49

not? A dancing girl like me. Needs

1:02:52

that kind of like attention to detail. Yeah.

1:02:54

It's like another one. You know what I

1:02:56

mean? It's very, very important. It's just breaks

1:02:59

my heart about every single time, like to

1:03:01

be the one who allows because I believe in a

1:03:03

thing of you can't be what you don't see. I

1:03:07

always believe that like I said, I see it and

1:03:10

you can only get as far as you can. You

1:03:12

know, literally, if you don't see, you just don't think

1:03:14

it's possible for you. That's why I'm always talking about

1:03:16

June Sapong. I'm so grateful that she was

1:03:18

on television, didn't it? Because honestly, if I didn't see

1:03:20

that woman, I'd be like, well, girls, that me don't

1:03:22

get that. Yeah, like it just doesn't have that. I

1:03:24

even remember at uni at school, when was in secondary

1:03:26

school, but I didn't go to school in a great

1:03:29

area. My school did a thing of like, if your

1:03:31

parents ever went to uni, oh,

1:03:33

they took a bunch of us to uni for two weeks. We

1:03:35

stayed on campus to give us the experience just as that. OK,

1:03:37

cool. You didn't see in your household. Oh, I have this chance

1:03:39

to see. And I promise you, I don't know the main reasons

1:03:41

why I went to uni. I did those two

1:03:44

weeks ago, I was with university and just got to be

1:03:46

uni kids. And it's like, this is sick. And it's normally

1:03:48

in my house. I would have told me that story at

1:03:50

that time because my sister was still young. Nobody had gone

1:03:52

to uni yet. So it was just like, oh, wow, this

1:03:54

is amazing. Great. So and like, and I think it's amazing

1:03:56

that girls get you and they get Audrey and they get

1:03:58

me or whatever. I just find

1:04:01

it so frustrating that people don't understand how hard it is

1:04:03

on this side that like when you're not all the things

1:04:05

to these people they start to criticise you but like you

1:04:07

don't know that we are fighting for our lives. We don't

1:04:09

know what's fucking life on the other side of this. It's

1:04:12

not like we're not doing it because we don't

1:04:14

want to or we're not like it's just it's

1:04:16

actually really hard on this side and I just

1:04:18

I hate the grief black girls get when they

1:04:20

trying to be like I promise you lot I'm

1:04:22

trying. They put everything in me. I'm trying.

1:04:24

Because I would be so if I come back

1:04:26

and someone's like oh I just feel like there

1:04:29

was enough money spent. Yeah

1:04:31

from where? Yeah exactly. But if you want to get it

1:04:33

from exactly like I'm giving you the best of what I've

1:04:35

got from what I got. I

1:04:37

wish the public would be a bit more gracious. Just

1:04:39

be a bit more gracious. It's actually quite sad. It's

1:04:41

so quick to jump and tick off and do stories.

1:04:43

It's so sad. It's just like flogging you over. It

1:04:45

really breaks my heart. You

1:04:47

know you didn't actually need to do that.

1:04:49

Need to do that. You didn't need to

1:04:51

do that. You didn't need to do that.

1:04:53

Like it's sometimes it's you need to do

1:04:55

that. And I'm not even talking about being

1:04:58

above critique. I also don't want to create

1:05:00

a space where we're above critique. But some

1:05:02

of it is so petty. Yeah. You're

1:05:04

going out of your way and you're nitpicking.

1:05:06

And things when you don't have the full

1:05:09

facts. Do you want to do commentary

1:05:11

on something that you can see in front of

1:05:13

you that's your opinion? Then fine. That's

1:05:16

very different. But when you're speaking on things that actually

1:05:18

behind the scenes is a lot of like moving parts

1:05:20

down. You don't even know. And then you talk from

1:05:22

a matter of places. People have to ask. Have you

1:05:24

clocked that they don't even like they're real ones anymore.

1:05:26

She's changed the way she makes music. Her music is

1:05:28

different now. Oh my goodness. You don't know what someone

1:05:31

asked you to message me yesterday. I

1:05:33

was like looking for something in my Instagram DM

1:05:35

and someone messaged me yesterday saying that

1:05:38

hi Breen. I really

1:05:40

love you. I just wanted to share that

1:05:43

your new song just sounds really pressed.

1:05:45

Guess what? I am pressed. What

1:05:48

does that mean? Of course. I

1:05:50

am. Because I am fucking angry.

1:05:53

And it's like how else did you want me to come back? Do

1:05:55

you know what I mean? Because we're just supposed

1:05:57

to skip to the part where I'm just belly dancing

1:05:59

in a clap. I've talked to a good boy. Yeah,

1:06:01

yeah, yeah. It hasn't been about better dancing. So you

1:06:04

talk about everything that's happening. I just, there's like aggression

1:06:06

there. Do you know what I mean? It's like a

1:06:08

little scene. Let me little scene. We're gonna get to

1:06:10

the, ah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:06:12

It's not like I have seemed to little. Yes.

1:06:15

If you didn't catch me in the past year, tagging

1:06:17

people's names, like some artists do, they'll

1:06:19

call out who exactly has impressed me.

1:06:22

Yes. Do you know who's part? This

1:06:24

and that. I've never done that. Do you know what I mean?

1:06:26

What's that rapper? He's been calling people out.

1:06:29

We've also been calling people out recently. Me too. Because

1:06:31

of the name Hardy Caprio. Hardy Caprio. He was signed

1:06:33

to the same label. Oh. No,

1:06:37

but shout out Hardy though. Wait, I didn't just

1:06:39

smile like. No, shout out Hardy though. You

1:06:42

know what Hardy did? He posted people's faces. Yeah, I

1:06:44

didn't do that. And their names, like their titles. I

1:06:46

didn't do that. I just

1:06:48

sang my song and kicked it down. You

1:06:51

know what? Aggression shows that in different ways

1:06:54

still. And I think for me it's like. You

1:06:56

know, I haven't handed that. Because if it was a

1:06:58

woman that felt emotional. I'm actually baby happy. And especially

1:07:00

if I look like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:07:02

Yeah, no. I just sang my little song man. And

1:07:04

just like. Interpret it how you want. Yeah, interpret it

1:07:06

how you want. It's supposed to feel kind of easy.

1:07:08

It's supposed to feel hard. Aggie and angry. It's supposed

1:07:11

to feel a bit Aggie. It's supposed to like. For

1:07:13

the past year it hasn't been easy. In the past

1:07:15

couple of years it hasn't been easy. And I don't

1:07:17

want to get up here and be belly

1:07:19

dancing in the top. And singing about shit. I

1:07:22

have not been feeling it. Do you know what I mean? That's

1:07:24

just not who I am. I'm not a liar. Is it getting

1:07:26

easier? No. Okay,

1:07:29

well. It's getting easier to create though. What can

1:07:31

be done to make it easier? I think I

1:07:33

need to like do

1:07:35

a life checking with myself in

1:07:38

a sense where I need to be like, right. This is

1:07:40

what your workload looks like now. And

1:07:42

this is how you need to find yourself within it.

1:07:44

Do you know what I mean? I just think there

1:07:46

needs to be better boundaries around work. I'm overly

1:07:49

invested right now. Understandable. I've been away for

1:07:51

a year. I want to pick it up

1:07:53

off the ground in a way that feels

1:07:55

amazing to the people that are receiving it.

1:07:58

But I do have to check in with myself. I

1:08:00

know. You have to be member. Yeah,

1:08:02

it's true. It's true. It's

1:08:05

true. You've got a fan base. You've got any

1:08:07

push you want to do. And if you want

1:08:09

to come in every week and watch the album,

1:08:11

you can come in every week. Like I said,

1:08:13

you're not not enjoying something feeling like, oh, it's

1:08:15

just you like tell yourself true stories. I know.

1:08:17

You've got help. You've got a fan base. You've

1:08:19

got people you fuck with you and fuck with

1:08:21

you. I see it all the time. I

1:08:23

know. I know. I'm really lucky.

1:08:26

Like I'm really, really lucky. And someone said

1:08:28

something to me yesterday. It's

1:08:30

the world that you've created that keeps us

1:08:32

coming back. I was like, imagine exactly. My

1:08:34

heart. I can't breathe. Yeah. And you have

1:08:37

your faith. Every like, that's

1:08:39

between God and that business. So many of my

1:08:41

things are going wrong. Well, God, when you already

1:08:43

know, literally, because I can't kill myself. Like you

1:08:45

say, you're my father. You say, you're my God.

1:08:47

You say you're a good. Yeah. Make it happen.

1:08:49

They're so good. Yeah. And so good. I feel

1:08:51

like this is your destiny. There's no plan B.

1:08:53

There is no plan B. I try. Work

1:08:56

out. I try. I was thinking about having plan Bs

1:08:58

to your dreams. I

1:09:00

think it's subconsciously saying that you don't believe that

1:09:02

it's going to work. So you shouldn't have a

1:09:04

plan B. You just

1:09:06

shouldn't. You

1:09:09

shouldn't. My plan B was going to

1:09:11

be an Emirates Airhost because I really wanted the red

1:09:13

half. Where am I going? I've

1:09:16

been walking down the als. You can do that in one of your videos. What's

1:09:18

your vision saying? You can do that in your dream. She

1:09:20

actually had really good vision to do that. Yeah, you know,

1:09:22

I've got great vision. OK. I just think you

1:09:24

have to be above a certain height as well. I

1:09:27

can wear a heel. They're not always pushing the

1:09:29

hand. They're not always pushing the hand. I think

1:09:31

I'm always sure that's true. I'm

1:09:33

always sure that's true. I don't know if I've made that up. Yeah, that'll

1:09:35

be it. Or if someone told me that because I went to be an

1:09:38

A-hostess. I'm on paint in my life as well. What

1:09:40

was that dream? Like what is wrong with us? I just

1:09:42

don't know what it was. I just wanted to be. I

1:09:44

can't even think of anything worse. I really wanted to do

1:09:46

that. I really wanted to do that. Yeah. I really wanted

1:09:49

to do it. Well, I thought it looked lit. And

1:09:51

I was like trying everything in my power to not

1:09:53

be at the forefront and be the virtual debris runway

1:09:56

that you guys see now. So I was like, oh,

1:09:58

maybe I could just be a cute A-hostess. and

1:10:00

then, oh, then I'll do like cruise ship singing

1:10:02

sometimes. I didn't want to be fully, fully, fully

1:10:05

seen. I was like, I want to sing, but

1:10:07

a little bit, something really vulnerable about being fully

1:10:09

seen, it's almost overwhelming. It's

1:10:11

so overwhelming. Someone said this to me the other

1:10:13

day, and it's really stuck with me, and I'm

1:10:15

really grateful to her. She was just like, sometimes

1:10:18

she was like, I don't think you should know

1:10:20

your full purpose or how much

1:10:22

people, how much it affects people's life has become overwhelming

1:10:24

for you. Definitely. Like you shouldn't know the impact you

1:10:26

have. Definitely. Like you should be aware of a couple,

1:10:28

but you shouldn't know it fully, because if you know

1:10:31

it fully, it'll just be so overwhelming. So overwhelming. Definitely.

1:10:33

What kind of pressure is that? But it doesn't mean

1:10:35

that impact is not there. Yeah. Because

1:10:37

it's there, and it's like, I want to speak live to you. Like

1:10:39

you're not starting from the starting line. I know.

1:10:42

It might feel like it. You're not a small girl.

1:10:44

You're not a small girl in this thing at all.

1:10:46

I remember the first time I heard about you was

1:10:49

on this blog channel called Impressive, and

1:10:51

she's got like millions of subscribers. Oh, really? And

1:10:53

this was time ago, and she was like, this

1:10:55

is someone to look out for, this is gonna

1:10:57

be one way. And she was

1:11:00

just singing your praises. Oh, wow. And just

1:11:02

saying like, she's so dope. She's in the

1:11:04

UK. And I was

1:11:06

like, oh no, she seems interesting. And I was like,

1:11:08

everyone does your marketing for you. Yeah, because if it's

1:11:10

not this, it's because you're like, no, it's not so,

1:11:12

it's not so. They're all doing their marketing for you.

1:11:15

So don't think it's like, I know. Your name's not

1:11:17

gonna be mentioned if you step in. Like

1:11:19

it's not, you're not starting from Gamsay. It's so

1:11:21

true. You're so right. It's so easy to think

1:11:24

that though, when you're in it. Of course, of

1:11:26

course. I mean, it's like, and it hasn't been

1:11:28

easy. And also it's been

1:11:30

a loud wake up. Super. Sometimes

1:11:32

shit just kicks you up. Super. Yeah.

1:11:35

In a way that you weren't prepared for. A loud wake up's a whole

1:11:37

book. Yeah. Oh, good,

1:11:39

yeah. Having it down for publicly is like,

1:11:41

oh my god. Oh my god. Yeah. Because

1:11:44

you have to do the, brick by brick

1:11:46

publicly again. Yeah. And then they're also

1:11:49

not merciful because they want you to look bad whilst you're

1:11:51

doing it. And because I always look good even when I'm

1:11:53

suffering. It's like, oh, it can't be that bad. Yeah.

1:11:56

I follow. Do you know what I mean? She still

1:11:58

went to you. Shake, shake. It's not bad. It's like,

1:12:00

why is it like, why is it like, why

1:12:03

she in an Aya dress? Why she

1:12:05

on holiday? I'm full of,

1:12:08

sorry that my suffering looks glamorous. I

1:12:11

actually want the story. I remember when everything was

1:12:13

happening with us. And I was

1:12:15

out, I was out with Bryce. I was like, look

1:12:17

at you celebrate Malina leaving you bitch. What?

1:12:20

How do we get her someone can't drink again? Oh

1:12:23

my gosh. What's wrong

1:12:25

with these people? People are mental.

1:12:28

Oh my gosh. I

1:12:30

wasn't at a birthday or something. It doesn't matter

1:12:32

if I was in a fucking cruise. I've

1:12:35

got a life. What? How do

1:12:38

we even draw that conclusion? People want

1:12:40

us to perform grief for them. They

1:12:42

want you to understand that something is

1:12:44

happening. They love that. Instantly, it's like

1:12:46

you're better than them. Yeah. Yeah.

1:12:49

I'm in a situation, I know what it is. Let

1:12:51

me carry on. But they can't fathom that. No, they

1:12:53

can't. They can't. People need to see you

1:12:56

really down to feel sorry for you to be like, I've

1:12:58

been fine. Especially when you're a black woman. Oh my god.

1:13:00

They can't. They can't. No, no, no.

1:13:03

And that's why you see celebrities put common camera and start crying

1:13:05

for you though. And that's not really

1:13:07

my style. That's not really my style. It shouldn't

1:13:09

be. If I needed to cry and it was

1:13:11

a natural thing that happened on camera, I would.

1:13:14

But I didn't. It's like

1:13:16

I wasn't obsessed with looking good going through stuff. It's

1:13:19

just my thing. It's just a fashion base. I

1:13:21

shared my thingy that, hey, I'm independent. I'm going

1:13:23

to live a colorful life. Oh, we're here for

1:13:25

you, Bri. I'm like 6,000 Emilio Pucci

1:13:27

hat with like, Loewe shorts

1:13:29

in the water. Like, just giving. Vacation, dual

1:13:32

bikini. Vacation. I did say I'm going to

1:13:34

live a colorful life. Leave me alone. Do

1:13:36

you know what I mean? Leave me alone.

1:13:38

Leave me alone. It's like they want my

1:13:40

frontal to have missing hair. No, no, they

1:13:42

want me to sit there with like, a

1:13:45

vest with stew on it. And

1:13:48

like, in despair. And you know what, stew stays

1:13:50

your best. And then you're like,

1:13:52

oh my god, the washing machine is like, they

1:13:54

want that. It's

1:13:57

like, it is what it is. I'm

1:14:00

going through shit but I'm re-ragged by it. I don't

1:14:02

have to look like it. It just is what it

1:14:04

is. I learned that from my mum. Every time I

1:14:06

went to hospital, my mum was doing treatment for cancer.

1:14:08

My mum dressed up. Do you think it's a black

1:14:10

woman thing? My mum dressed up every single day. I'm

1:14:12

not joking. We are going to bed, your therapy says.

1:14:14

Yeah. And I come because she's like, how do you

1:14:16

look like this? I was like, what? Do you think

1:14:18

it's possible? You're sick, what do you like? I'm like,

1:14:20

why are you looking like this? I know. I will

1:14:22

get dressed like this. Pull close on. When you're

1:14:25

fasting, you're not supposed to look sick

1:14:27

and frail. Like have your things around.

1:14:29

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hear

1:14:31

that. You don't. And

1:14:34

it's hard but like. And it is fine. But also if

1:14:36

you're doing. But if you're doing. If you're doing a back

1:14:38

line. That's like, let's have a see it. You have to

1:14:40

perform treatment before. That's definitely fine. I don't. Just be like

1:14:42

in your way. If I fell

1:14:44

off in that way, fine. I was going through stuff.

1:14:47

My head was extremely dark. And if it showed in

1:14:49

my appearance, fine. Do you know what I mean? I

1:14:51

feel like it shouldn't be measured

1:14:53

that way. Yeah. It shouldn't be measured that

1:14:55

way. It shouldn't be measured that way at all. Like it just

1:14:57

shouldn't be measured that way. What's the dream actualized? What does it

1:14:59

look like? Oh my gosh. What does

1:15:01

success look like to you now? Success looks like to me.

1:15:04

Putting my best foot forward creatively.

1:15:08

From now till whenever.

1:15:10

Like consistently. Like consistent

1:15:13

successful campaign runs. Creatively. Whether

1:15:16

they get one play, a

1:15:18

million, four plays. I

1:15:20

just want to be happy with what I'm putting out. That's

1:15:23

it. That's what success

1:15:25

looks like. What does freedom feel like now? Oh.

1:15:28

Freedom feels like me being able to validate

1:15:30

my own music. It stops here. Like literally

1:15:32

as soon as it comes out here, the

1:15:34

ceiling is literally rerun way. Does rerun way

1:15:36

like this? Yes. Out it

1:15:38

goes. Right. Does it matter if someone's like,

1:15:41

oh, maybe we should do this. I

1:15:43

feel like I'm always open to suggestion as long as

1:15:45

in my heart, I feel like, yeah, this will add.

1:15:47

Okay. This will add. I'm never

1:15:49

like above like gritty. Yeah. No, no, no.

1:15:52

But talk to me properly. Talk

1:15:55

to me properly. And I'm

1:15:58

open. Yeah, I'm open. I'm always

1:16:00

open to making something better, always. If I feel

1:16:02

like in my heart, you know what? Good one.

1:16:05

Hold on a sec. Do you know what I mean? I'll write

1:16:07

it down and be like, thanks for that. And I'll

1:16:09

add to it. But yeah, the fact that I

1:16:11

get to just validate my own stuff and I

1:16:14

just, it's like I trust myself so much more again.

1:16:16

Do you know what I mean? Usually, oh my God,

1:16:19

I could go to Sweden for a week. Right guys,

1:16:21

we need to write five hooks for this, assess it,

1:16:23

I need to put it on a document, look at

1:16:25

all the words. Now, I

1:16:28

said what I said today and this shit is hot. And

1:16:30

that's that, close it up. It's hot, close it up

1:16:32

and let's put it out. That's

1:16:34

how I move now, close it up, close

1:16:36

it up. This is hot, it's

1:16:39

hot because I said it's hot. Yeah, that's all. And

1:16:41

that's it, yeah, that's it. That's it, that's

1:16:44

it. Tell us about

1:16:46

the new projects. So

1:16:48

my single, just like that has come out

1:16:51

and it's like a PSA to the world.

1:16:53

It's supposed to feel like aggressive and

1:16:55

just destructive and spiky and textured and

1:16:58

just like, it

1:17:00

sticks out. I mean, everything I am

1:17:02

basically is what she is in a

1:17:04

song and music

1:17:07

will come very shortly afterwards as

1:17:09

well. Like it's just gonna be bangers after bangers,

1:17:12

literally. No gaps, no waiting for

1:17:14

me for ages, no need to bang on

1:17:16

my door on Instagram. If I post a

1:17:18

plan, no one cares about this one, really,

1:17:20

where's the music? Where's the music at? She's

1:17:23

on vacation, you know what someone said when

1:17:25

I announced that I'm teasing, oh, she's run out of

1:17:27

vacation spots. I said, uh-uh. You

1:17:30

guys are mean. It's a flexible, so a flow. It's because

1:17:32

they want it on their time. Do you know who cares,

1:17:34

they should leave alone, Rihanna. Look, let me tell you about

1:17:36

this. Oh my God. Every time I hear something, I can't

1:17:38

believe I'm alone. The Rihanna thing is too much for her.

1:17:41

When is rated eight or whatever fucking they're

1:17:43

asking for? It wasn't R9. R9 is whatever

1:17:45

you're asking for. Not rated eight. Not rated

1:17:47

eight. R9. R9. Since

1:17:52

Rihanna's been out, never interview it.

1:17:54

Has anyone ever asked Rihanna, what do you want long

1:17:56

term, whatever? Rihanna's always says from the very beginning, I

1:17:59

want to get married. kids and be with my dad

1:18:01

loves me. Yona's always said that and she said I want to

1:18:03

have kids and be with my dad loves me. Consistently said that

1:18:05

in interviews. She has to be the girl that's like, do you

1:18:07

know some women that are shy about admitting that? Yeah yeah yeah.

1:18:09

Same with me, I've never been shy about admitting to it. I

1:18:11

want to find out what kids just always admit you did. So

1:18:14

now she has it. You think she's going to come

1:18:16

talk to you, dum dum. So I'm just thinking, oh

1:18:19

no no, let me get what I want. And all

1:18:21

of it came from me again. She's got my dream.

1:18:24

I don't need to think about it. I've got

1:18:26

my dream. If you're a nine, means that would

1:18:28

be the ninth album. Wow. Let

1:18:31

her rest. Ninth album is a

1:18:33

law. It's okay. Like

1:18:36

if Rihanna was supposed to, if she was

1:18:38

going to close it up right now, I

1:18:40

think her contribution to music has been amazing.

1:18:42

Honestly, I actually don't think she should make

1:18:44

any more music. I think she's fine to know. I think

1:18:46

she should. She doesn't know. And

1:18:49

it's not because of like, I just

1:18:51

feel like if, or

1:18:53

just give her some time, like figuring out

1:18:56

the language of your universe as she's now

1:18:58

a mum. She's a busy little mum. She's

1:19:00

a grown up. That

1:19:03

whole language and that whole painting of what that looks

1:19:05

like, it takes time. It's a whole new landscape. She

1:19:07

would have teaches them a day that says, In her

1:19:09

subconscious. I mean, I'm not being nervous, as confident as

1:19:11

she is. Like it's been ages. Give her a summer

1:19:13

wave. And also the pleasure wave, because that song has

1:19:15

to be the most amazing. It has to be banging.

1:19:17

And if it's not, they will be the same one

1:19:19

for you. Because people will wait

1:19:21

for you for ages. She wanted to do something

1:19:23

close to her heart when the people didn't like it. Yeah,

1:19:25

yeah, yeah. She wasn't about to like, lift me up. When

1:19:29

she didn't leave me up. That was like shouting. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:19:31

Oh my God. That was a soundtrack to a film. Give her

1:19:33

a second. Give her a fucking record. I

1:19:35

actually didn't share a lot of people. I always respect when

1:19:38

Tara Beckham didn't join the Spice Girls tour. If

1:19:41

that's the way you act, she literally just like, I'm

1:19:43

just not there anymore. And that's fine. But

1:19:45

my contribution has been enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You

1:19:47

can put me up on the screen though. Yeah.

1:19:49

A hologram version of me. I will post it.

1:19:51

I would like it. But I... Celebrate you guys.

1:19:54

That's fine. You are not seeing me on that

1:19:56

stage for anything. Maybe I can't even dance like

1:19:58

that anymore. I can't find... I'm not gonna

1:20:00

give you my ribbon man that way, it's fine.

1:20:02

I've grown, I've held, I've ate. It's fine. I

1:20:05

find it so fascinating. I was like, Rihanna's always said what she wanted

1:20:07

and she has it now. Let her live it. And you think she

1:20:10

doesn't wanna live it, man. Let her live it. I mean, even before

1:20:12

she had kids, she wasn't trying to do the music thing. So what

1:20:14

makes you think now she's got two small children? I'm not gonna wanna

1:20:16

do it up and down. She's gonna be like in the studio and

1:20:18

that. Yeah, just you gotta give her grace.

1:20:21

I don't think she's to have any more music. I'm not gagging for music.

1:20:23

Actually, if I was her, I would just be like, says, West. Yeah. Just

1:20:26

do what makes her happy. I think she

1:20:28

should do what makes her happy. Because either

1:20:30

way, she's still so relevant and she still

1:20:32

holds so much currency. She's a Rihanna from

1:20:34

that woman. She's always up to something. She

1:20:37

can literally do no wrong in her. She

1:20:39

can't. I see no critique of her

1:20:41

ever. It's exciting. She was washing that 27 pieces of

1:20:43

a new shampoo. Yeah. I said, Rihanna.

1:20:46

Do you think it was 27 pieces? What else could be? It definitely

1:20:48

was. That was a strong wig on her top. Yeah, that was a

1:20:50

wig. I know what, I love Rihanna so much. And then she was

1:20:52

now, they were now using it to wash her hair to show the

1:20:54

product. It is what it is, by the product. Rihanna. And

1:20:57

these people used to buy it. You're that bitch. You

1:20:59

are that girl that it looked like. Not 27 pieces.

1:21:01

When they said, come and shoot it, she was like,

1:21:03

oh, fine, sure, I'm still like. Go,

1:21:05

she's so personable. I'm so like a boy.

1:21:07

I love her. I love her. She genuinely

1:21:10

feels like a cousin. Every time

1:21:12

I think I was a cousin, I would have a good time with

1:21:14

Rihanna. Yeah. I know genuinely. I'm a god,

1:21:16

get honest. She seems like a wow. The first time I

1:21:18

met her, she amazing. Oh, she's just, for me,

1:21:20

I even like, she just feels like the cousin

1:21:22

that's made it in my family. Right.

1:21:24

Like literally, she saw me. I remember the people opened

1:21:26

up and she saw me. And she was like, excuse

1:21:29

me? Your hair, outfit,

1:21:32

everything you have for them. Oh, that's like. Yeah.

1:21:34

Nothing like my stuff. That was like. Thanks. But

1:21:39

she's not even the bitch that you even fan out

1:21:41

of. But she's like, of course. She's a

1:21:43

cousin. She's like a cousin. She's

1:21:45

like a cousin. But I mean, after Birgna would make me with

1:21:47

a pass. I'd be like, oh my god, you

1:21:50

mean? Because she always finds something that she likes

1:21:52

about you to say. And she's such

1:21:54

a girl. She's got a met down

1:21:56

to a T-dough. She's such a girl. That is not

1:21:58

easy. I see no critique of her. No, no, no.

1:22:00

She do no wrong. She's

1:22:02

got radio where she does that kind of thing but she's

1:22:04

like, a woman thinks she's offended her?

1:22:07

Oh my God. So she's telling how we are. Yeah,

1:22:09

yeah, yeah. So she's like, girl, how dare you? I'm so,

1:22:11

so, so, I'm so sorry. No, it's like, I'm gagging with

1:22:14

you, baby. I'm gagging with you.

1:22:16

I'm not angry at you. I'm actually like, all is

1:22:18

well. It's so funny. We're like, we're so dramatic. We're

1:22:21

quite nervous. We're so dramatic. I

1:22:23

feel like we're gonna fuck off. And it was like, no, no,

1:22:25

no, I'm this. Or like, what's

1:22:28

your problem? You know what I mean? Is

1:22:30

that what you're saying? Did

1:22:32

you even come out like that? What? What's your

1:22:35

problem? And it's all said

1:22:37

with love and every time. Every single part of

1:22:39

it. No. It's a great time. I'm

1:22:41

proud of you, man. Yes, I am. Thank you,

1:22:43

girls. We're very, very proud of you. Thank you, I really appreciate

1:22:45

it. And you guys have grown so much as well and everything

1:22:47

is different for you lot as well. Yeah. That well done for

1:22:50

being able to like continue waving the flag and stuff.

1:22:52

I know it's hard. Girl, I know it's hard. All

1:22:54

is well. All is well. Oops. Well,

1:22:57

that's awkward. Sorry about that, guys. We have to

1:22:59

end the episode here due to technical difficulties. But

1:23:01

we hope you enjoyed the episode and we'll see

1:23:04

you guys next time. Meow. ["The