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This is the

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relevant podcast.

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It's

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episode 1159 and it's the relevant podcast here in

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Orlando. I'm

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your host, Cameron Strang, and joining me from

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Lowerland, Virginia is Jesse Carey. Hello, hello. From

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Nashville, our managing editor downtown Emily

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Brown. Hey, y'all. The daughter of

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Bobby Brown. We learned last episode. Wow. Yeah.

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No, for real. Her dad's name is Bobby Brown.

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No, it's Robbie Brown. Robert Brown

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is Bobby Brown. Anyway, and from

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LA. You know him from

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Social Club Misfits. It's Marty. You

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caught me. I... The

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Johns are on the ground. That's not bad. Bobby

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Brown, you caught me as a good one. A

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little behind the scenes to the listeners. This is

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Tuesday's episode, but we are recording this on Friday,

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the previous Friday at lunchtime.

1:02

Emily is very, very, very tired because

1:04

she was messaging me at three in

1:07

the morning last night all about the

1:09

Taylor Swift double album

1:11

drop. To be clear, I was messaging anyone who

1:13

was awake at 3am about it. I

1:16

have a question for you, Emily, because we

1:19

were informed that day that the album

1:21

would be dropping at midnight, right? And

1:23

so, you know... Emily had

1:25

it early, FYI. It leaked. She

1:27

had it all the time. I didn't listen to

1:30

it, but I did have... I did have the

1:32

leak. Look at this dedication. She did have the

1:34

leak early on Thursday. It was in my chest.

1:36

She chose to refrain, did not listen to it

1:38

so she could experience it with all the other

1:41

Swifties at midnight. She didn't want it to... Taylor,

1:43

if you're listening, keep that in mind. Do you

1:45

have access to the Ryan Garcia fight tomorrow and

1:47

those texts? Like, are you getting just... I probably

1:49

could. I'll be honest.

1:51

I can find it. It is pretty

1:54

easy. But here's my question. And so

1:56

can the FBI. They know you did

1:58

it. my

2:00

question though Emily. So, you know,

2:02

we were all had some knowledge that

2:04

the album was dropping at midnight but

2:07

then again I haven't followed it really

2:09

closely this morning. I like

2:11

most people was curious to hear what the what the

2:13

vibe of the album was but

2:16

at 2 a.m. it

2:18

was like a double album surprise

2:20

dropped anthology. How were

2:22

you were you just awake anticipating that

2:24

there was more to come or were

2:27

you just staying awake

2:29

all night like what well how did you how

2:32

did how are you awake at the

2:34

time that the double album surprise dropped

2:36

at two? So two parts

2:38

to that one I'm normally awake at

2:40

that time I don't really sleep much

2:42

but it also came it was 1

2:44

a.m. my time so it wasn't as bad

2:47

but the second was there was like

2:50

a countdown on her Instagram that

2:52

there was something else happening at

2:54

that time so I thought it

2:56

was gonna be like a few new albums

2:58

because she released multiple vinyls.

3:00

No, no if you know

3:02

I thought it was gonna be four songs sorry

3:05

so she released multiple vinyls and on each vinyl

3:07

there was like one extra track so I thought

3:09

she was gonna put those four on streaming and

3:12

then I refreshed Spotify and I see that

3:14

there's 15 new songs and I

3:16

got a second wind in me like

3:18

I've never had one before. So just

3:20

want to tell somebody. I had

3:22

one other friend who was also staying up all

3:25

my other friends had said like where they were

3:27

going is like we were texting while we were

3:29

listening to the first part of the album and

3:31

then around like midnight when we all finished listening

3:33

they all went to bed so then I said

3:35

I felt like Paul Revere just texting all my

3:37

friends so that they would see in the morning

3:40

like there's a double album you need to listen

3:42

and so then I woke up like

3:45

seven this morning to all my friends texting

3:47

back being like what a double album and

3:49

I was like yes tell me your thoughts

3:51

I've already listened to it. 31 songs that

3:53

is insane. Now

3:57

as a Swifty I won't listen to any of them so

3:59

you can tell me your opinion as a Swifty out

4:01

of the 31 songs how many are good

4:03

songs because that usually there's a

4:05

less is more situation with artists like they

4:07

need to like yeah you recorded

4:09

a hundred but you picked the right 12.

4:11

What's the great one? What is it 12

4:13

that makes the album? It feels like it's

4:15

like Donda 2. Donda was enough we didn't

4:18

need Donda 2 you know like those were

4:20

the B cuts the leftovers are

4:22

these leftovers or are they good songs?

4:24

No so the second half anthology which

4:26

like honestly liked it way more than

4:28

the first part it has if you

4:30

like her ever more albums you're gonna

4:32

like this part I would say the

4:35

first part of the album sounds more like

4:37

Midnight's so the only Taylor Swift song I

4:39

know I know to shake it off and

4:41

single ladies that's about all I know Taylor

4:43

Swift's okay sing ladies and you

4:45

that was a joke. Neither

4:48

of those songs. I just want to make you mad. First

4:51

off how dare you? You literally started rolling

4:53

up her sleeve. You guys didn't see it.

4:55

She was about to fight. Just be glad

4:57

that we're safe away. Okay so of the

5:00

31 songs again I've only listened to the

5:02

whole thing once because like it's a two-hour

5:04

album I did have to go to a

5:06

little bit of sleep last night. I

5:10

won't say which one I think

5:12

there was one that could have been left off but

5:15

I will never voice it out loud.

5:17

You said Florida. You said Florida. Cameron

5:19

bleep that out. You said that was

5:22

the one that Kendrick did. Hold on.

5:24

Emily why is is legitimate artistic critique

5:26

why are you like hesitant to put

5:28

that into the world? I will say

5:31

I'm hesitant simply because I just

5:33

didn't like it on the first listen so it

5:35

like it could change like I could listen to

5:37

it again and like like it different that's the

5:39

only reason why I'm like it's for myself it

5:42

could change there also could be songs

5:44

that I listened to again and I'm like actually no yeah I

5:46

didn't really like that at all like it

5:48

was just new because I've had that happen

5:50

with albums before with her like I really liked a song and

5:52

then I listened to it I was like this isn't as good

5:55

as I remember it. I'm just impressed

5:57

by I'm impressed by the dedication because

5:59

there's never Never been an

6:01

album that I've

6:04

stayed up to listen to or even the moment it dropped.

6:06

It didn't even have to be the middle of the night.

6:10

The only thing I think I've ever seen, I

6:13

don't even, you know, Marty, you mentioned a fight.

6:15

I can't even watch UFC fights or boxing just

6:17

because I'm not staying up till 12.30 for something

6:21

to start. I can barely watch the opening

6:23

mon. I'm getting old. I can barely stay

6:25

up for the opening monologue of F&L. I

6:29

think the only time I've ever done the midnight

6:31

thing was like the night, like dark night released

6:33

and I paid a terrible price the next

6:36

day. I was very tired. 2011

6:38

June 8th, yeah, my birthday. You know what

6:40

she should have done? Instead of the

6:42

2am thing, everybody would have been gaga over

6:44

just the album drop, right? Yeah. She could

6:47

have dropped it next Friday, the other half.

6:49

You read my mind. She could have owned

6:51

multiple weeks of Apple Music. Yes. You

6:54

know? She could have ruined everything for a

6:56

whole two weeks and like no one's dropping. By like noon today,

6:58

a lot of Swifties who are not

7:00

in middle school or high school were saying like,

7:03

listen, I got a job. Wait, are there any?

7:06

My daughter is eight and she just

7:08

did a talent show dance to 22

7:10

at her elementary. Taylor Swift is, my

7:13

wife went to the elementary school talent

7:15

show auditions and

7:17

she said it was up 70%

7:19

people doing Taylor Swift stuff at that

7:21

age. We have a

7:23

great show in store for you today. A little bit

7:25

of later we talked to Joel Smallbone, the star of

7:28

the new film Unsung Hero, which debuts

7:31

this Friday. It's

7:33

your first look at the new movie. Look

7:35

at us on the cutting edge. You

7:38

don't want to miss that. Also at the end of

7:40

the show, okay, it's a very, we like to theme

7:42

our games, right? So it's March. The

7:45

NBA playoffs started a few days ago.

7:49

And it's also, the news

7:52

came out this past week

7:54

that more states are

7:56

following the lead of California, which followed the

7:58

lead of Europe. They're gonna

8:00

be banning a lot of your favorite snack items

8:03

like Doritos, flaming hot Cheetos, Gatorade, all these things

8:05

are gonna get banned because of certain chemicals that

8:07

are linked to cancer. I have a slice about

8:09

that and we'll dive in here. Right, I won't

8:11

talk about it but the news came out this

8:14

week. So we combined the

8:16

two and we're doing the

8:19

ultimate road trip snack playoff.

8:22

It's a bracket bracketology game

8:25

about road trip snacks. Alright, so there you go. That's

8:27

one up. Stay tuned right now. Slices.

8:31

Now I'm lonely. And

8:40

lonely. So

8:56

the same two outfit simplemen the song is.

8:58

Hello lonely. The

9:01

wait is officially over. Ann Wilson's

9:03

newest album Rebel is out now.

9:05

Following up on her Grammy nominated debut

9:08

album My Jesus, her sophomore project is

9:10

jam packed with 16 songs

9:12

and features guest artists including Chris

9:14

Tomlin, Lainey Wilson and Jordan Davis.

9:17

Lending her love for God with her

9:19

roots in all things country and as

9:21

a true rebel in modern music. Be

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sure to check out Ann Wilson's newest

9:26

album Rebel available now everywhere you listen

9:28

to music. That's

9:31

what everybody said to me when they saw me in high school. Okay,

9:34

it's time for... Slices. What

9:37

do you have Jesse? Sorry Cameron, so

9:39

as you alluded there's major news

9:42

in the world of snacks. Now most

9:46

of the subscriptions that I now

9:48

maintain are snack industry related media.

9:50

I'm digging snack content.

9:52

So Cameron as you mentioned moments

9:55

ago, there are several additives.

9:57

Most of them have to do with food

9:59

coloring. yellow 6, red

10:02

40, yellow

10:04

5. It doesn't matter. What's

10:06

the color? What's the color of the number? Yeah.

10:10

Outside. Yeah, exactly. We got it. Various

10:12

dyes are linked to

10:14

things like cancer, mood

10:17

disorders, fertility issues, and

10:19

California passed the ban that's going to

10:21

take effect in 2027 that will ban

10:24

a lot of these substances that are

10:26

used in food. Now,

10:28

several other states including New

10:30

York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, New Jersey,

10:32

and Missouri are about to

10:35

pass similar legislation. Now,

10:38

here are some of the snacks

10:40

that are affected. Skittles,

10:43

Nerds, Hot Tamales, Swedish

10:45

Fish, M&Ms, various

10:48

flavors of Jell-O, Gatorade, Flute, Fruit

10:50

Loops, Trix, Lucky Charms, a couple

10:52

salad dressings are in the mix,

10:55

some Dorito flavors. This

10:57

is big. This is a huge part of

11:00

my diet. Massive part of my diet. I

11:02

named like four things

11:04

that I ate yesterday. Okay. Injustice

11:06

cereal. Yeah, injustice cereal

11:08

category. Not counting the snacks.

11:11

Now, the legislators

11:13

are saying that if

11:16

companies can avoid putting these chemicals in,

11:18

their products won't be banned. But

11:20

these additives, they're saying it's not safe

11:22

to have them. We know too much

11:24

now. I think

11:26

there's an easy solution here. Because

11:30

most of these are color

11:32

related additives. They're

11:34

not really enhancing the flavor of

11:36

the food. And I

11:39

think, let's take a Skittles

11:42

example. You

11:44

dump all the Skittles out on the table.

11:46

No one eats Skittles like that, but just

11:48

humor me here. Are you picking

11:50

around going color to color? Or are

11:52

you just kind of blindly Skittling? You're

11:54

pulling a Matthew McConaughey on that one

11:56

movement. Sometimes I am looking for specific

11:58

colors though. Every now and then every now

12:01

and then. Wait, wait, wait. Skittles? Because I

12:03

get that for Starburst. But like Skittles, that's

12:05

just a handful thing. Well, I like Starburst.

12:07

You know, like the wild bear, the purple

12:09

bag, the wild berry kind. And so there

12:11

are, like the blue ones are my favorite.

12:14

So like sometimes I'm like, I just want

12:16

a good small handful of blues. So

12:18

that's like every now and then. But

12:21

here, like back in the day,

12:23

when I, in

12:25

Airheads, I don't think they are part

12:27

of this. I didn't see them specifically

12:29

named, but like Airheads. They're

12:32

not organic Airheads. Airheads

12:36

like eating edible rubber. Yeah, like very

12:38

strange. You'd be among the top of

12:40

the list. You were eating petroleum. But

12:45

here's the thing. I remember back in the day, when I was

12:47

a kid at the gas station, you'd go down the Airhead aisle,

12:49

right? And they would have like purple, red, blue, and they

12:52

had white mystery flavor. Okay. Yeah.

12:55

And there's no mystery every time. All right. Because

12:57

it's, it's, it's, it's, that's part of

12:59

the fun. Back in the, here's another example

13:02

real quick. At the mall,

13:04

I, we had, we had a dollar store

13:06

at the mall, a Dollar Tree at the mall when I

13:09

was like, I am all clearly. Yes.

13:11

Yeah, exactly. I'm pretty sure

13:13

it's all that

13:15

turned into Gucci, Dollar Tree.

13:17

Yeah. Jim years, years.

13:20

And they're worth the end of the mall. Wall,

13:22

wall of books, a bunch of shoe stores,

13:24

a lot of shoe stores. Anyway,

13:28

the, the Dollar Tree, I think they

13:30

had a manager who went a little

13:33

rogue. Okay. Because it was definitely like

13:35

a chain Dollar Tree type of situation.

13:37

It wasn't like just, you know, you

13:41

know, like a mom and pop Dollar

13:43

Tree operation. It was branded, right? But

13:46

they had an aisle where they had

13:48

paper bags. Okay. And they

13:50

were grab bags and they were what

13:53

you didn't know what was in there, but you

13:55

knew it was filled with items. Okay. And

13:57

you know, my, my parents

14:00

drop us off at, you know, or whatever, they would do

14:02

their shopping. They'd be like, all right, you guys go to

14:04

Dollar Tree, you can pick out, here's $1 to go

14:07

pick out anything you want. And it was, dude,

14:09

at that time, Dollar Trees had legit cool stuff

14:11

for a buck. You know what I mean? They

14:14

did. Like little football square guns, like

14:16

cool stuff you'd actually want. Every

14:18

time I take the mystery bag, every

14:21

time. And I think that manager was just taking

14:23

extra inventory. Yeah, of course. Put it in paper bags,

14:25

you know? But the thrill, the

14:27

thrill of not knowing. Put a DVD in

14:29

there. Yeah, exactly. Sometimes, most of the time,

14:31

they were duds. Every once in a while,

14:33

you get a loaded grab bag. But my

14:35

whole point is this. We

14:37

don't need colors for all these candies and chips

14:40

and stuff. It's grab

14:42

bag status from here on. Every bag

14:44

of Skittles is just a bland color

14:47

without any added support. Like if it's

14:49

Dharma Initiative canned goods, just black and

14:51

white labels. Isn't Skittles tagline, taste the

14:53

rainbow? I feel like he kind of

14:55

needs the rainbow. Yeah. If

14:57

you're tasting the rainbow, you're not looking at the rainbow.

15:00

Yeah. If I want to see a rainbow, go out

15:02

on an after rain storm. Great. I

15:05

don't need it. I don't need it in candy form. I

15:07

don't need to see it. Popping your white candies sitting on

15:09

a hillside looking at the rainbow. I'm tasting what I'm looking

15:12

at. No one's like, oh man, I don't have a bad

15:14

day. I'm going to go buy a bag of Skittles. I'm

15:16

just going to pour them out and stare at them. No

15:18

one does that. They eat them. Same

15:21

thing with any of these candies. Emily

15:23

might. Emily might be like, all right, red,

15:25

green. Here

15:27

is an actual thing. I like your idea. Here's

15:30

an actual part of the news item that people

15:32

need to actually understand about this. It's only five

15:34

states, first of all. But

15:36

they're not going to manufacture two versions of this

15:38

food. These five states, California

15:41

led the way, is going to change

15:43

everything. Europe has already done this.

15:45

Europe has done this years ago. What

15:48

has happened is they didn't remove Skittles from

15:50

Europe. They just make Skittles with

15:52

non-cancer dye. It's

15:54

the same Skittles, the same flavor, minus

15:57

the cancer chemicals. So Europe is

15:59

ahead of it. us on this and they're

16:01

just trying to bring that to the US. The

16:03

crazy thing to me is why didn't the manufacturers

16:06

just do this when Europe made them

16:08

do it? Why didn't they bring the

16:10

no-cancer candy over to America? Why can't we?

16:12

I think it's a good point. I think

16:14

like how are they making it? It is

16:16

cheaper. It is cheaper and our regulations are

16:18

a lot lower. So actually people are like,

16:20

too much government, get out of our food.

16:22

No, thank you. How about some no-cancer candy?

16:25

We should have some regulation. Yeah. I like

16:27

my idea better. Yeah. It's

16:29

safer. Dharma Initiative, our grocery stores look

16:31

like the Dharma cans. It's black and white

16:34

labels. You don't know what's in there.

16:36

It's just all white and gray. Every

16:39

time. Even Doritos. You don't

16:41

know. I think they take

16:43

the labels off the bags too. Let's go all

16:45

in here. It just says

16:48

Dorito. You might be going Cool Ranch. You

16:50

might be going Nacho Cheese.

16:53

You don't know. We all need a little

16:55

mystery in our lives. This introduces that. But

16:57

what's going to happen is the same thing

16:59

that happens at my record store. They have the grab

17:01

bag, blind bags too, of all the random leftover vinyls

17:03

that nobody wants. So you can get like 10 for

17:05

like five bucks sort of thing. If

17:07

you're going for optics and you just want

17:09

to fill up your record shelf, that's

17:12

a great way to do it. But it's all terrible.

17:14

It's always terrible. So you look like you have

17:16

a lot of vinyl and stuff, but you

17:18

never listen to any of it. So that's what you're going

17:20

to do for grocery shopping and pantries. It's going to just

17:23

look full, but you don't want to eat any of

17:25

it because it was all like blind bag and you

17:27

don't know what you actually have. It's not a good

17:29

solution, Jesse. I

17:32

agree to disagree. Our

17:36

lives are too born and safe. They're too

17:38

born and safe. Let's get weird. And that's

17:40

the 7-11. That's all right. That'll

17:42

be coming up in the game. All

17:45

right. What do you have, Marty? It was

17:47

going on. Everybody. I know you love that. I knew

17:49

it. I knew you loved that. It was going on

17:51

everybody. All right. So the

17:54

mustache revolution has begun.

17:57

Pringles and Crocs have official. They've

18:00

actually dropped their crossover shoe. Speaking

18:04

of snacks, Jesse, you

18:06

got this for you, bad boys. They

18:09

have three collaborations. They

18:11

got one that is a classic clog, comes

18:13

with these little ten bits. Pretty nice. The second one

18:16

is the one I really want to focus on here.

18:18

It's a boot. It's a boot

18:20

with a holster for your

18:23

Pringles on the left side.

18:26

It also comes with a double

18:28

dip. It hides the ankle monitor.

18:30

It's a really interesting piece. It's

18:32

white and it's got red inside

18:34

of it. It has something from

18:36

Star Wars, like a holster. It's like a gun

18:39

holster. It's

18:42

a Han Solo type of holster on

18:44

both sides. Are you supposed

18:46

to put the entire can in it? The entire can

18:48

is pretty tall. I think it's the mini can. Can

18:52

you imagine the long ones? It

18:54

comes with some snack cans. Imagine

18:57

being pulled over by the cops and being like,

18:59

I just have my wallet in here. Like those

19:02

slow motion videos. Hold on, officer. It

19:05

comes with a new flavor. That

19:07

flavor you're able to take and then put

19:09

inside of the shoe. The

19:12

flavor is a West Coast flavor. It's something that

19:14

we don't get on the East Coast. You're listening

19:16

to this and you're in the time

19:19

zone that is, it's already 2 o'clock right now.

19:22

I'm at 10 o'clock. You

19:24

don't know about this. It's watermelon chili lime.

19:29

Watermelon actually – so

19:31

you guys say it's disgusting, but for some reason in

19:33

California, it is – you

19:36

would go to get a piece of watermelon. They're throwing chili

19:38

on it and then they're squeezing lime on it. It's a

19:40

very common thing here. You know what I've

19:42

had? I feel like maybe they're just going after the core

19:44

audience. I have had like – I'll

19:47

pour like zucchini on top of pineapple or

19:49

something. So like I assume that's very similar.

19:53

But there's something about watermelon chili lime

19:55

that on a chip that feels illegal.

20:00

I will show you this. If you go to pringles.com

20:02

right now, because I did this last night with

20:04

my middle schooler who heard about this and asked me

20:06

about it and I pulled it up, the

20:08

boots are sold out. But the

20:11

regular Pringles Crocs, which

20:14

have mustache, you know the strap

20:16

on the back? It's the Pringles

20:18

mustache. They're Pringles colors. They

20:20

have the Pringles toys that plug into

20:23

it, Pringles cans, logos, whatever. Those

20:25

are readily available in all sizes still. So

20:28

you can go to pringles.com. I can't

20:30

believe those have been sold out. That's

20:32

shocking. Even at the

20:34

Crocs store, some of them

20:36

they're available probably only on the west coast of course

20:38

but they also have a sandal version of the shoe

20:40

and they come with these little jib bits

20:43

and they're like a little, you know like a

20:45

mustache and like the Pringles logo and so you

20:47

could decorate and customize them. Apparently

20:50

these were sent out to a bunch

20:52

of influencers for Coachella and you'll never

20:55

guess who were the only two to

20:57

wear them. It was Ashley Simpson and

21:00

Evan Ross, Diana Ross's son.

21:02

They're the ones who wore them. I'm

21:05

just impressed they were invited to Coachella.

21:07

Yeah, you know they're the type of influencers

21:09

that whatever they get, they're going to wear.

21:11

That's how far Coachella has sunk that they

21:13

were invited. Coachella. Yeah, they're the type of

21:16

influencers that they don't even review. They just

21:18

put it on and they're just like really

21:20

cool and not, you know like they're just

21:22

happy to get it and be a part

21:24

of it I feel like. I feel like

21:26

they're probably not getting much PR packages so

21:28

they're like okay, yeah. They had a show

21:30

at one point, right? And

21:35

so long story short, they're available right now

21:37

on Crocs. There's some available, a

21:39

lot of sizes are sold out. If you

21:41

live in the West Coast, selected stores do

21:43

have them but like I said, the mustache

21:46

revolution is here. They

21:48

look wild. They really

21:51

do. Alright, what do you have Emily?

21:54

I actually have some sports news to talk

21:56

about. Hold the applause. I know, I got

21:58

shocked. I feel like I've

22:00

made my opinion on sports pretty clear on

22:03

this podcast, which in general is

22:05

that I'm happy athletes get to have their

22:07

fun, play in their little games and doing

22:09

what they love and making money. But

22:12

it's recently come to my attention that not all

22:14

athletes are making that much money and I

22:16

now just feel bad. Archers

22:19

are not lucrative, not a

22:21

lucrative career path. Yeah,

22:23

who would have known? Not lucrative

22:25

bowlers. Not I. Apparently,

22:27

WNBA players are also in

22:30

that category. I wondered if

22:32

you were going to go there. I

22:34

am going to go there because as of this week, I am

22:36

now on the Kaitlyn Clark defense team.

22:42

She is the number one draft pick

22:44

for the WNBA this year. She

22:47

was elected by the Indiana fever and

22:49

her contract was going viral because her

22:51

salary for her first year in

22:53

the WNBA is $76,000. That

22:58

is a salary as someone who sits in a

23:00

cubicle office every day from nine to five typing

23:02

on a computer, which is a respectable job. Driving

23:04

a Civic. Yeah. Like

23:06

that, if you are a

23:08

professional athlete. Show the contrast

23:10

of what the number one pick in the NBA made.

23:12

Oh, so glad you asked. Can you say his

23:15

name for me because I don't know how to say it. Victor

23:17

Winianma. Thank you. That man.

23:20

Victor Winianma. $10.1 million in his first year. $10

23:25

million. $1.1 million to $76,000. That

23:28

is less than 1% of the NBA comp. Wow.

23:32

I was going to say the lowest NBA player makes

23:35

$1.1 million. So the worst

23:37

player in the NBA

23:39

makes a million dollars and the best

23:41

draft pick makes $76,000. Which

23:45

channel do you even watch women's basketball?

23:47

But they have no but here but

23:50

he but to the Ocho ESPN Ocho

23:52

everybody. No,

23:54

no, I was just going to say there. This

23:57

is there obviously that I

23:59

think. I think especially with how

24:01

I've watched all Caitlin Clark's games this year

24:04

on, you know, in the tournament. I

24:06

was a big fan. And you know,

24:08

thankfully, I think she's earning a lot more

24:10

in endorsements and she actually,

24:13

you know, she's earned a ton, even as

24:15

a college athlete. But

24:17

the WNBA, like the NBA, has

24:19

a Players Association that negotiates salaries

24:22

based on league revenue. So

24:24

the best way to be an advocate

24:26

for these athletes is

24:29

to, one, watch WNBA games,

24:32

go attend WNBA games, and buy

24:35

WNBA merchandise because that is the

24:37

money that they get paid with

24:39

just like the NBA and TV

24:42

rights. In general, yes. What

24:45

the NBA Players Association did is the league

24:47

was so profitable in the 90s and 2000s,

24:50

after Jordan and you know, Kobe and Shaq and all this

24:52

stuff. When they came to the table,

24:54

there was a strike. The NBA players strike, I think it

24:57

was in 2010, 2012, somewhere in there. And

25:00

half the season was gone because the players put

25:02

their foot down to say, we want to do

25:04

a revenue split. We will split the league profits

25:07

50-50 between the team

25:09

owners and the players. So then when

25:11

the league negotiates new TV deals and

25:13

things like that, the

25:15

league salaries shoot

25:17

way up too, right? So it's a

25:19

50-50 revenue split. So everybody's saying, well,

25:22

the WNBA should do the same thing.

25:25

The problem is the WNBA loses

25:27

money every year. The NBA subsidizes

25:29

the WNBA by like $50 million.

25:33

So there is no profit to split.

25:35

So the WNBA Players Association negotiated a

25:38

different type of deal with these kind

25:40

of set salaries at a much lower

25:42

marker because the league is failing. But

25:45

your larger point remains. I was going to say, once

25:49

they do have a profit, they get 50% of it. That

25:52

is still part of the WNBA. So like, and

25:54

the NBA. But it's not where they are because

25:57

it's never made money ever. Yeah. But

25:59

if more people... actually supported the league

26:01

and went to games and bought jerseys,

26:04

they're still entitled to 50% of that league

26:06

revenue as part of their but they haven't

26:09

but they're not at the point where that

26:11

is. So again, if this

26:14

is, and it is

26:16

outrageous, right? I didn't know this so

26:18

you're correct me. So the collective bargaining

26:21

agreement for the WNBA is the same

26:23

as the NBA that it is a

26:25

50-50 profit split but there's

26:27

no profits. That's what I

26:29

according to justwomensports.com in the WNBA

26:31

players. The thing that's crazy is

26:37

that everybody's looking at like the

26:40

comparable appeal and revenue of the two

26:42

leagues, right? So if you go to

26:44

WNBA game there's gonna be six to

26:47

ten thousand people there you go to

26:49

an NBA games 20,000, right? Yeah ratings

26:51

obviously a lot more TV games for

26:53

NBA than WNBA whatever. The thing that's crazy

26:56

to me is the salary discrepancy

26:58

is not the same as the

27:00

league revenue discrepancy. Like she's

27:02

making less than 1%, 0.7 of 1% what the number one NBA draft

27:05

pick makes.

27:09

1% the WNBA does not make 1% of

27:11

the revenue the NBA makes. You know what

27:15

I'm saying? So like it's out of kilter even

27:17

in its current state. It's

27:19

like things need to change. But when

27:22

you look at merchandising and international TV,

27:24

most of the NBA money is still

27:26

TV rights, right? Like you know billions

27:28

and billions of dollars. But there's

27:31

one way to get WNBA TV

27:34

rights to be more profitable and

27:36

that's to watch more WNBA games. Like I

27:38

think and Caitlin Clark's I think one of the

27:40

perfect athletes and dude I'm a big Angel Reese

27:42

fan. I know camera I think we were

27:44

talking one day I was

27:47

I was I was team Angel Reese. Like I like

27:49

the edge she plays with. Like I like that grit

27:52

and attitude like old-school like

27:54

Barkley you know like. She just starts

27:56

fights to start fights. I love it.

28:00

it. But either way, like I think that

28:02

this new generation of female basketball players is

28:04

going to bring a lot of people to

28:06

the game. And I think that's how ultimately,

28:09

in addition to bringing

28:11

awareness to the paid disparagement, it's

28:13

going to change is bringing fans to the

28:16

sport, which will increase revenue. I think that

28:18

people don't remember is WNBA is only 20

28:21

years old, right? And,

28:23

and the NBA, when it was 20

28:25

years old, was the

28:28

NBA finals run tape

28:30

delay. CBS did not

28:32

play the NBA finals primetime at eight

28:35

o'clock. They played them at midnight.

28:38

No one cares. Nobody cared.

28:40

And then all of a sudden magic

28:42

and bird got drafted. Showtime Lakers happened,

28:44

Jordan happened. And now it's popular, right

28:46

now. See, people want to watch the

28:49

games. Caitlin Clark and Angel Rees are

28:51

going to do the same thing for

28:53

the WNBA. This is the magic and

28:55

bird moment. Give them time, revenue will

28:57

grow, interest will grow. The NBA

29:00

didn't start out what it is. It's just

29:02

further down the road than the WNBA. So

29:04

I think this is the natural progression. And

29:07

it's a good moment for women's sports. They

29:09

should allow dunking. Don't they allow

29:11

dunking? They just don't physically do

29:13

it very often. I'll be starting

29:15

a new wave of feminism. And

29:19

you're going to be watching women's sports. And

29:21

in solidarity, I will not be watching any

29:23

male sports until women are

29:25

paid equally. It's about right. Which

29:28

is about what I'm doing right now. That's

29:32

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30:43

I guess today is Joel Smallbone. You know him as

30:46

one part of for King and Country, but

30:48

this week he's joining us to talk about

30:51

his new film, Unsung Hero. The

30:53

film tells the story of the Smallbone

30:55

family's inspirational real life journey from Australia

30:57

to Nashville in the 90s

31:00

and kicking off the career of Joel

31:02

and Luke's sister, Rebecca St. James. Ahead

31:04

of the release, we sat down with Joel

31:06

to hear more about the film and

31:09

his family's story. Here's our conversation with

31:11

Joel Smallbone. How y'all doing?

31:13

How y'all from England? Australia.

31:17

Australia. We wish I had an accent.

31:22

Dad, I wrote a song. Maybe

31:24

we could ask for an audition. Oh, that's

31:26

great, honey. Let's take it one step at a

31:28

time. Kay

31:30

tells me you're a promoter. You know someone

31:32

looking for one. Well, I may know somebody

31:34

who should be. She's

31:38

been given a beautiful voice. It's

31:40

a miracle. She's a special one, son.

31:43

Your family, they're not in the way. They

31:45

are the way. There's no

31:47

food. All of

31:49

a sudden, honey, we need to make some

31:52

changes. Kids, we need your help. This

31:54

is everything we have. And sometimes

31:56

it's going to go up and sometimes it's going to

31:59

be up. it will shrink but

32:01

it cannot be allowed to disappear. I

32:13

wonder if he's right. Maybe I'm not noticing.

32:16

Or maybe you're not noticing other

32:19

people's homes. It's

32:21

going to be dangerous and scary. I've

32:25

been fizzing it up. Fizzing it. It's not

32:27

an option. Whatever

32:30

your dream is, I know you can

32:32

achieve it. Please welcome my

32:35

sister. I

32:38

train this to PY2. It

32:40

always has been. So

32:44

this film is about your family's journey from Australia

32:46

to Nashville in the 90s. When

32:48

did you know you wanted to turn your family's story into

32:50

a movie? It was actually

32:52

more Luke's idea than mine. Luke,

32:56

in a pay-it-forward act, has

32:58

been sharing our family's

33:01

stories at the King Country shows as

33:04

part of an opportunity to rally around

33:07

kids and sponsorship and support them around

33:09

the world. He's been telling it every

33:11

three years. It

33:15

was 2020. We were doing a drive-in tour. Luke

33:20

had called a producer friend and said, hey,

33:22

I think we should just explore putting

33:25

this story into development. You

33:27

know that stories get written all the time.

33:30

Films get written all the time. But

33:32

the percentages of them actually get made.

33:34

The percentages of them that actually get

33:36

released in theaters is miniscule. We

33:41

spent about two years on the script. A

33:44

guy named Richard Ramsey, a

33:46

screenwriter, I co-wrote it with him. And

33:49

then so many twists and turns. But

33:52

I remember a pivotal moment when it became a

33:54

reality. We have what we call, you know, I'm

33:56

sure you do this with articles, but like you

33:58

break the story. people in the room

34:01

and you sort of talk about it all. So

34:03

we're in the middle of a pandemic. We

34:05

needed a Hampton in late 2020. We're doing

34:07

driving shows, you know, we've all

34:10

got masks on and, you

34:13

know, we sort of tell Richard

34:16

the beats of the story. And

34:19

then he looked at dad and

34:21

he goes, David, I'm,

34:24

I'm so sorry that this happened to you

34:27

guys. But then he looked at

34:29

all of us and was like, but what a

34:31

great movie this could make. Like, because

34:33

all and what's crazy, we even took

34:35

out the base on true story because

34:38

it just is like, even

34:40

down to that moment where David

34:42

shows up on his 40th and has

34:44

the surprise like that happened

34:47

that way. Like it just and

34:49

so it almost

34:51

felt as to

34:53

why we did it. It was almost like this is yes,

34:57

it's our story. That's not really leaks in my story.

34:59

It's our parents story. But it's always

35:01

just felt like such a compelling piece. It was like,

35:03

we should just give it a go.

35:10

I'm sure there were many moments in your story that

35:12

you could have included. How did you know which ones

35:14

were going to make the cut? Question

35:18

was the timeframe. Our

35:20

brother Ben, who's a director, he didn't

35:22

work on this with us in production, but

35:25

he kind of helps develop and he had

35:27

a really developed it. He really

35:30

loved the

35:32

moment, the adventure of when

35:34

we started traveling together. And

35:36

so actually that final scene,

35:38

which I won't give away for

35:40

your listeners and viewers and readers, but

35:42

that final scene was really his kind

35:44

of doing, whereas I wanted

35:47

to focus more on like the migration story,

35:49

mom being pregnant, Rebecca and James,

35:52

our sister sort of us losing

35:54

everything and the way the family

35:56

came together. And so

35:58

we, we saw And

36:00

we set the boundary mark because we didn't want to

36:02

go much further than two years, even because we got

36:05

all these kids playing these roles and like aging people

36:07

up. And like, it just gets very complex. So

36:10

we kind of nailed down the tenants were like

36:12

1991, you know, starting in Australia to

36:18

like 1993-ish. It

36:23

was just the most

36:25

dramatic time for us as

36:27

a family. So I think,

36:29

you know, inherently, you lean on

36:31

the drama, you go, what's the where's where's

36:35

where's the key dramatic moments and

36:37

work back from that. When

36:41

the movie takes place, you were so pretty young

36:43

at the time. So did you work with your

36:46

parents and siblings to get those moments right? Yeah,

36:49

we Richard was really great in that

36:51

he literally sat down for probably three

36:53

or four hours with each with mom

36:55

with dad with each sibling and

36:57

just kind of had them sort of frame

36:59

up particularly when we had a blueprint like

37:01

hey frame up this story piece of the

37:03

story. And then what was so fun

37:05

about me coming in and screenwriting as well as obviously

37:08

all of dad's like, kids and quotes

37:10

and the family dynamics and you know,

37:12

you just you just knew I just

37:14

knew and I loved it because I

37:16

co directed it also. I

37:19

love this idea of like, instead

37:22

of telling the actors what to do.

37:25

Most of the time I got to jump

37:27

as a director, even I got to jump

37:29

into the scene with them in playing my

37:31

dad and sort of pull it

37:33

out of them in real time. And

37:36

I loved that opportunity because it's so

37:38

much easier to push

37:41

and pull on a scene when you're in it with

37:43

them than try and tell them how

37:46

to enact it. I'm

37:51

so curious. What was it like for you to play the

37:53

role of your own father? I mean,

37:55

it's such a multiverse moment, right? You're

38:00

playing your dad and you're looking at Joel as

38:03

a son, but you were Joel, but now you

38:05

are Joel. And you're looking at your mother or

38:07

you're kissing your mom, but she's not your mom,

38:09

but you're your dad. And I was like, this

38:12

is just... There's

38:14

a couple of points that have broke my brain

38:16

a little bit, Emily, to be honest.

38:20

It was very rich though from

38:23

the vantage point of, I think

38:25

I've always been very lazy with

38:27

my parents' story. From

38:30

the vantage point of what was going on in

38:32

the 90s, what was going on in Australia? What

38:34

was that feeling with six kids and

38:37

one on the way? What was mom feeling? And

38:42

the ability... I've always seen our story

38:44

from a child-like perspective

38:46

because that's the way I lived it.

38:49

But now at roughly his age, to

38:52

go back and re-experience

38:55

the story from his vantage point, it's

38:57

actually really powerful. And

38:59

if he's given me... excuse me... It

39:03

has given me a deeper

39:05

empathy for him as

39:08

a man than I think I've ever

39:10

had. And I'm also... I'll

39:12

say this lastly, I'm really proud that

39:15

we made it while they were still living,

39:17

you know? I think a lot of times

39:19

you make these things after people

39:21

are gone. And

39:23

the ability to actually make

39:26

it and have them experience

39:28

it and relive

39:30

it, there's something really powerful to

39:32

me about that. What

39:37

are you hoping people learn from your family's story?

39:40

Well, there's a great quote at the end. There's

39:42

a paraphrase from Mother Teresa that says, If

39:45

you want to change the world, go home and love your family. I

39:48

think that's part of it on just a real sort

39:51

of macro level. I

39:53

think when you drop down into the micro, I'm

39:57

just really... we're all very aware that... We're

40:00

grappling with a lot as humanity right now. We've got

40:02

all of these like really

40:05

powerful things, particularly smartphones that have just

40:07

been dropped into our lap, literally. And

40:10

we're going, how do we, like we've got,

40:13

we've almost got this whole other world that's

40:15

happening inside this thing. And

40:17

then there's this world that's happening in real

40:19

time. Which

40:22

one do we choose? Like, this is the decision

40:24

we're making right now. Like do we choose, you

40:26

know, a cyber sort of family? Do we choose

40:28

our physical family? Do we choose our physical community,

40:30

a cyber community? And

40:32

I liked that this was like the 90s was right

40:35

on the cusp of all of this stuff, you know.

40:37

It was sort of like the last, if you want

40:39

to call them the glory days of like sitting around

40:41

the table as a family. And

40:44

I just, I hope that people ask the question. I

40:46

think the answer is going to be different for everyone.

40:48

I think some of it's going to be biological families.

40:50

Some of it's going to be not literal families. Some

40:52

of it, some of it's going to be parenting. Some

40:55

of it's from a kid's perspective. But I hope that

40:57

there's, I hope that they're entertained, obviously. I hope that

40:59

people love the 90s music and the 90s era and

41:01

all those things. I hope that they

41:03

love the Australian accent, you know, all the little

41:06

flavors. But I hope that

41:08

it provokes a question of going like, well, this

41:13

is the way society is pushing. But

41:16

like, how do I associate with

41:18

my smartphone? Why am I so

41:20

lonely and isolated in 2024? Should

41:25

I make some other decisions just to sit

41:27

down and be a bit more

41:29

still and fight for those who are in my community

41:31

a bit more? You know? And

41:35

again, I think that's what I love about art. Art

41:37

is just, it just prods us. It

41:39

provokes us. It moves us emotionally to to

41:44

look into our own story and and

41:47

ask questions. And so I think, you know, I

41:49

suppose I hope in simply said that, you

41:53

know, that people look

41:55

inward and go, OK, well, how

41:58

can I be the most free? Lovely

42:00

version of myself and I think we'll find that

42:03

a lot of us founded community That

42:12

was Joel small bone make sure

42:14

to check out the new film

42:17

unsung hero it releases nationwide this

42:19

weekend Okay, stay tuned

42:21

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right, I mentioned it at the beginning of

43:33

the show we have a game we're calling

43:35

it road trip snack

43:39

Playoff here is a jingle playoff.

43:41

Here is a jingle Alright

43:50

so, you know, we were talking about

43:52

the the band snack situation. We're talking

43:54

about the NBA playoffs We want to

43:56

do our own playoffs of snacks now.

43:58

These are road trips snacks that

44:00

you can buy in a convenience store.

44:03

This is not a full grocery store

44:05

snack aisle situation. This is convenience store

44:07

road trip snacks. And so specifically, this

44:09

isn't Saturday night snacks. This is road

44:12

trip snacks. All right, here we go. And we're

44:14

gonna, it does matter. Like, yeah, it doesn't matter.

44:17

All right, round one, you guys, we just,

44:19

it's gonna be by vote. So here you

44:21

go. We can vote. All right. Up against

44:23

each other. That's the number one seed versus

44:25

the eight seed. Rolos versus beef jerky. Beef

44:28

jerky for beef jerky. Beef jerky. If

44:31

you're not over the age of 75,

44:33

you don't touch a Rolo. Okay,

44:36

fruit by the foot, going against

44:38

Dunkaroos. Dunkaroos man, I picked fruit

44:40

by the foot. What's for

44:42

Dunkaroos? Like, the little cookie thing that you

44:44

dip. Yeah, they were discontinued for about 10

44:46

years, but they're making their way back. It's

44:48

basically this little tray where you take

44:51

a cookie and you dip it in icing. Any

44:53

food that you use is measured in

44:56

its, its length and feet, whether it

44:58

be sub, party sub, or

45:01

fruit roll, you know, bubble tape, whatever

45:03

I'm down for. Yeah, so fruit by

45:05

the foot. You're going fruit by the

45:07

foot. And then, okay, Emily,

45:09

what'd you say? Fruit by the

45:12

foot, for sure. Ooh. Oh, there

45:14

you go. Okay. Warheads versus Flamin'

45:16

Hot Cheetos. Flamin' Hot Cheetos. Come

45:19

on, guys. Easy. Come on. All

45:21

right. Tootsie Rolls versus Cheese Balls.

45:23

Cheese Balls. Neither. Cheese Balls. Neither.

45:26

Double lost. It just

45:28

seems like we're not very much chocolatey people

45:30

at these trips, you know. They melt. Not

45:32

Rolos or Tootsie Rolls. Cool Ranch

45:34

Doritos versus Push Pops. Cool

45:37

Ranch. Cool Ranch. But I do love a Push

45:39

Pop, but I will concede to Cool Ranch. Fruit

45:43

snacks, like the little gummy snacks,

45:45

or Skittles. Skittles. Skittles. All day.

45:49

European or America. Yeah. With Red 12.

45:51

It's worth the risk. Trail

45:56

mix versus Sour Gummy Worms. Oh,

45:58

Sour Gummy Worms all day. All right

46:01

Kit Kats versus Pringles Pringles

46:03

Pringles. I need a good chip. You

46:05

need a chip back it up I

46:07

got a boot for it. All

46:09

right, Butterfingers versus Cheez-Its.

46:11

Cheez-Its. I love

46:14

Butterfingers, but Cheez-Its is perfect. I love

46:16

it. Butterfingers my favorite one. I can go

46:18

without forever, but I'll go I'll go Butterfinger.

46:21

All right, Butterfinger. Wow, okay. Pickle

46:25

versus pork rinds Pickle.

46:28

Pickle. Never eat any of

46:30

those. You've never had a pickle. Pickle? Or

46:33

not, you know the one in the bag that you get

46:35

in Publix. I've never done that. I've

46:38

never done that either. Yeah. They do bags of pickles

46:40

and they have tons of flavors. I mean, I'm assuming

46:42

if you're at a gas station, you're grabbing that. Baby

46:45

bottle pops or sunflower seeds.

46:47

Baby bottle pops. Sunflower seeds.

46:49

Baseball. Sour Patch Kids or

46:51

Ruffles. Sour Patch. Sour

46:54

Patch Kids. All

46:56

right, Jesse has to run so we are gonna

46:58

finish the game without him. Here we go. Round

47:00

two. Beef jerky

47:03

versus Fruit by the Foot. Beef

47:06

jerky. Dang, I'm picking Fruit

47:08

by the Foot. I'm going Fruit by the Foot. Fruit by

47:11

the Foot. The

47:14

real winner. All right, Cheetos versus Cheez-Balls.

47:18

I like Cheez-Balls. I like throwing them and

47:20

I don't know. Emily, what'd

47:22

you say? I

47:25

could go either way. You know, I will go Cheez-Balls though.

47:27

I think that'd be more. All right. I'll try

47:29

throwing them in Peele's mouth. All right, Cool

47:32

Ranch Doritos versus Skittles. Oh, I have

47:34

to go Cool Ranch. It's the back. I

47:36

have to go Skittles. So Cameron, you have

47:38

to decide. Break it. Think

47:41

about that red guy. Come on. But

47:45

I'm thinking like my little splurge on a road trip

47:47

might be. Yeah. Skittles.

47:49

Yeah, I'm going Skittles. Oh,

47:53

hurt so bad. Gummy worms versus

47:55

Pringles. Gummy worms, I'm

47:57

going to say. Yeah, gummy worms. The

48:01

either. Butterfinger. Of are sceptical.

48:04

Things like the Diary of

48:06

Vs Diary. I

48:09

received versus Arab as kids. I

48:11

do a mad so and has his on far

48:13

to the to. com and other flavors of sometimes

48:16

it's coming, many flavors are gone, sour patch kids.

48:18

God. Parmesan. I'm gonna

48:20

go to our rescue. There's no question here.

48:22

Yeah, ah okay here we go. Next round

48:24

of are gone through by the foot versus

48:26

cheese balls. Cheese

48:29

Balls Sassy Thors. Really

48:32

even drive with that you like your

48:34

it dangling over your face and Cleopatra

48:36

with the great and stuff like has

48:39

really been inflated. your eye area for

48:41

rotors with the Everglades area digital. Guildford.

48:44

Gummy worms, Ominously.

48:47

Skin was actually I will get us. Is

48:51

easier Butterfinger versus our pets Kids that

48:53

thrust Sour Patch kids highly. Butterfinger Manama

48:55

Butterfinger Hi I'm really got Butterfinger. We

48:57

have a lot of starts you ever

48:59

off I need for some we the

49:01

pull up. a bonus of the one

49:04

here sign up on to jump ahead.

49:06

they had a by that a couple

49:08

by around. Are we

49:10

going? Goldfish? are we go? And

49:12

Whistlers. Who. Loves wizards. Yeah,

49:14

that's my legs neck. That's a fun one.

49:17

Dad's wasn't too. There's no question. He.

49:20

Was I in Medina Road with it?

49:22

or it's to the conference finals. We

49:24

got four laps that we got seized.

49:26

All sources get older. we got Butterfinger

49:28

is versus Twizzlers so recommend our backers

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and conference final three of cheese balls.

49:33

Or. Skittles. I many

49:35

scandals gets the as a skit

49:37

skittles. since when is this mile

49:40

or so? They just when The

49:42

Western Conference Butter Fingers vs Swindlers.

49:45

Tweezers for me as a chance

49:47

know my daughter thinking of read

49:49

twenty full of read twentieth Cure

49:51

rates are and grammarly in in

49:53

our that they've recently in a

49:55

road trip. snacks, championship game, people's

49:57

purses, twizzlers, I'm

50:00

gonna say his thing I'm gonna just make the case

50:02

of twizzlers because you can slap people on the road

50:04

and sometimes you need To slap somebody do something too

50:06

sweet with them, right? So

50:09

for a road trip, it's like you don't feel as guilty

50:11

You don't feel like you're getting a cavity don't break my

50:14

crown in the back of my mouth All right, and let

50:16

me make an argument for Skittles. They

50:18

taste really good Now

50:21

if we're talking the burger bag like different flavor

50:23

bags that does no one old Barry That's the

50:26

only one I get while Barry is a really

50:28

good one You're going Skittles

50:33

I'm gonna go Twizzies you went Twizzlies. I'm

50:35

a tiebreaker. I'm going Twizzlers. I

50:37

think The

50:42

road trip snack championship Twizzlers and you

50:44

know what Jesse can't say boo about

50:46

it cuz he laughs Alright

50:50

I have no clue.

50:52

Alright that'll do it for Well

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