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This is

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the relevant

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podcast.

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It's episode 1,169 and it's the relevant podcast here

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in Orlando. I'm

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your host, Cameron Strang, and joining me from

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Loverland, Virginia is Jesse Carey. Hello, hello. Nashville,

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it's our managing editor, downtown Emily

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Brown. Hey, y'all. Sorry,

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dear listener, that on Tuesday, we

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skipped our show. We

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had great plans, even though it was a holiday weekend

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and I saw a lot of national podcasts taking it

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off. I was

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like, no, we're going to go above and beyond

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for our listeners. And then

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I didn't. So, sorry.

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The plan was Jesse

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and Derek and Prab

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and a whole bunch of friends. We were

1:01

out in Montana this past weekend and my plan

1:03

was on the plane ride home.

1:06

I'll put the finishing touches on Tuesday's podcast and we

1:08

won't miss a beat. Plain

1:11

WiFi, slower than I remembered. So,

1:14

I couldn't exactly transfer massive,

1:16

massive files on 30,000 feet in

1:18

the air. So,

1:20

sorry about that, everybody. Lesson learned.

1:23

But somehow, well, it always tricks

1:25

you into ordering the WiFi because

1:27

when you're using your phone to

1:30

tap into their on-screen

1:32

hard drive full of

1:36

reruns of the office and parks and rec

1:38

and weird little travel documentaries, it works fine.

1:40

But then when you try to get the

1:42

actual internet, it's like

1:44

you're paying for it. It says streaming

1:46

as part of what you can do

1:48

on the paid WiFi. And it's like,

1:51

great, I'll stream slash download files

1:53

that I need. And I couldn't do it. And then I landed

1:55

like midnight and I was like, I'm not saying it put three

1:57

in the morning for these people. Can

2:00

I tell you something I appreciate about

2:03

you, that just that spirit of like,

2:05

I'm not, you know, I noticed this

2:07

in a text thread that we were

2:09

on from some of our friends from

2:11

Montana. You've, I feel like

2:13

you're kind of, you've entered a little bit

2:15

into a Larry David phase where there

2:18

are just things, there are

2:21

social inconveniences that you

2:23

have decided now I'm done

2:25

with. I am, I'm just not going to do it. Like

2:28

in a very Larry David sense. And I'm, I hope

2:30

I'm not telling, I don't think you're going to tell

2:32

the story. We're in

2:34

a text thread and because there are

2:37

Android users on it, I don't even know

2:39

all the technical, the technical things that went

2:41

wrong, but it's with a lot of our

2:43

friends from Montana. So we can keep in

2:45

touch and it

2:47

breaks into multiple threads because different people have, you

2:49

know, different numbers and, and Android's, everyone's trying to

2:51

get to figure out how we can all be

2:53

in one text thread together. And

2:56

it's a little chaotic, you know? And

2:59

one of the, one of the solutions

3:01

as proposed by, by one of our

3:03

friends says, you know what guys, I'm

3:06

going to set up a WhatsApp thread. We'll just move

3:08

this over there. And here's

3:10

Cameron announces, not going

3:12

to do WhatsApp. See

3:14

you next summer. Like literally, literally

3:16

to avoid the inconvenience. And then

3:18

he tells people, I have the

3:21

app. Someone says, Cameron,

3:23

I'll help you download it. And he says, no,

3:25

no, I have it. I just don't want to

3:27

use another, I don't need another app in my

3:29

life. Yeah, that's what it

3:31

is. I'm not downloading a new app because

3:33

of Android users. You know what I'm saying?

3:35

I will start a separate thread with all

3:38

my iPhone friends from the trip.

3:42

Cameron has gotten so Larry, and this is, this

3:44

is, this is, this is

3:46

pure Larry David. I would rather

3:48

just put the friendships on pause for a

3:50

year than to have the social

3:55

inconvenience of having to deal

3:57

with WhatsApp. I'm sorry.

4:00

I mean c'mon I every as are limits

4:02

what's up as my limit. It's a terrible

4:04

app auto like as. I. Don't

4:06

I just. Yeah but but I

4:08

did think it is what other human would

4:11

do this and it's definitely Larry David he

4:13

says made the decisions that you know they're

4:15

just certain stars align. You're willing to walk

4:17

us to buy from there. won't will see

4:19

you next summer thought that that you know

4:21

what will. oblivious I love you guys. Have

4:23

you ever good year for you know my

4:25

limits you to download one app. The.

4:28

Correct. Yeah no no he has

4:30

the ass movie I've used it I use

4:32

it when I was the last aren't I

4:35

will learn isolate the way that that group

4:37

bad to communicate because we're really he was

4:39

what's outside downloaded says ups I had as

4:41

I had to say that to say in

4:44

case they really got a people via phone

4:46

number I do exist and what's app it

4:48

it does not exist on my phone though

4:51

yeah though that's all of sudden he said

4:53

I have lived either downloaded are set it

4:55

up so maybe at some point I well

4:57

friends but are now says. Dude amounts

5:00

at least allows of from what I like

5:02

practice my more passes your toy Quitting you're

5:04

quitting quitting Differing group simple and and that's

5:06

that's why. Said like I don't feel I

5:08

you have the passes in you I feel

5:10

you have to address it directly. slight like

5:12

a Larry David would hear an invite A

5:15

B C So and double dipping in a

5:17

chat boards that is a religion is your

5:19

ball you for into the stage of my

5:21

for you in a call it out sooner

5:23

Natalie I mean I would I would just

5:25

as streak and me that if some a

5:27

double dip and that you're. You're

5:29

not more important than the other people here

5:32

this party. Would you do it? I would

5:34

absolutely have caught up a double dip or

5:36

or or like when when players like at

5:38

the hotel lobby and the guy brings alfresco

5:40

he's very avid can't let go of that.

5:42

They are pepper sparks that they're clearly not

5:44

fresh and and has to address it. With

5:48

the staff and the other guess that

5:50

they were told that refreshed cookies room

5:52

and lead regards Urdu or pay a

5:54

premium for the first cookie experiences point

5:56

out the Packers are a lot ago.

5:58

you. Knock and already we haven't He really does

6:01

hanging up in the South lake and yeah, yeah,

6:03

I think we should all of that way lists

6:05

you straight. Here's what I have found more often

6:07

than not when I do shoot straight to they

6:09

do in love I love Ah yes I'm just

6:11

I'm going down the what's up. I don't need

6:13

another app in my life. Honestly,

6:15

Tell you honestly what it does is

6:18

give permission to other people Go! Yeah,

6:20

Me too. And raise their hand

6:22

but they didn't want to break the ice.

6:24

I'll break the ice for us in arms

6:26

and yeah, more than anyone Follow suit though

6:28

when he says is. No detects

6:30

thread stops right? Ordinarily I'd I'd It's not

6:32

like you see as the end of this

6:34

sex or ago were gonna what's up and

6:36

I was like i wanna go over there

6:38

saucy that next year and has the end

6:41

of the threat. To

6:43

sell their land Us yeah and

6:45

then is like Iowa decay such

6:47

do not get like some oh

6:49

that like people are having a

6:51

conversation without you. Know.

6:54

Not. Least. One. In the

6:56

like to be emotionally regulated Cameron

6:58

please share with the class the

7:00

final here family there but I

7:02

thought because I have a high

7:04

degree of the most serialization. ah

7:06

just him. emotionally detached and entire

7:08

time. I

7:11

saw getting some out. Because

7:14

I'm just tired and we like. You

7:16

know it, I I am married as

7:18

he I'm counting. Bottom this it out.

7:20

I'd rather just sit here. Do not.

7:22

It's not because I'm anti social know.

7:24

Ah yes, I just need to recharge

7:26

the batteries. You know? Yeah, I just

7:28

I got back, you know? and we're

7:30

gone for five days. Six six days

7:32

only. I'm an hour. I.

7:35

I. Used dog sitting service to

7:38

watch my doc. James like he

7:40

stayed with his family here in

7:42

the neighborhood or found him through

7:44

a website and highly rated family.

7:47

And we're We're scrolling. Different.

7:49

You know, Dog. Sitters They

7:51

they. You know, you see the ratings,

7:53

you see all the things about them.

7:56

and then. They're.

7:58

Rate. Pseudo. they said their

8:00

rate. And then when you

8:02

end up paying for the dog

8:04

sitting service, you see the daily

8:07

rate and then you see the

8:09

website, the company's fee added on to it,

8:11

kind of like a ticket master fee, taxes

8:14

and here's what you pay. So I'm

8:16

like, okay, this is what the company

8:18

gets and then the family who set their rate will

8:20

get the rest of it. Great. I

8:23

just got a text this morning,

8:25

automated text from the website saying,

8:27

hey, go rate your dog sitter

8:30

and leave a tip. Why would

8:32

I leave a tip? I

8:34

want your thoughts on this because I am confused because

8:36

there's people who are charging $25 a night up to

8:38

$75 a night. Yeah. My thing is

8:42

like that is that

8:44

rate change is the level

8:46

of service experience, facilities, the

8:49

care you give the dogs, all this stuff. I

8:52

paid not the top, top, top rate, but

8:54

a top tier rate. I went with the

8:56

good, credible family, highly rated. And

8:59

they set their rate and they

9:02

even charge more because it's a holiday weekend. And

9:04

I'm like, that's valid. Supply and

9:07

demand. Great. Why would I

9:09

tip them? If you want more

9:11

than that, then set your rate more than that.

9:14

See, I get confused by

9:16

a lot of tipping stuff.

9:19

I've given the example before of

9:21

like walking up to a bar

9:23

at a restaurant and ordering just

9:25

like a water or

9:27

ordering something that they just or they pull out

9:29

a bottle of water. And then is it still

9:32

adequate to tip even though

9:35

there was no really service rendered there? The

9:38

only thing I would say about service

9:41

industry jobs or Uber drivers or anything

9:43

is their pay rate

9:46

is flat. Especially bartenders

9:48

and waitresses, they get below minimum wage.

9:50

So you're supposed to supplement out with

9:52

them serving you well. Well, let's take

9:55

restaurants off the table. Here's

9:57

one that has always confused me because

9:59

it's similar. or in my opinion is

10:01

haircuts like I guess this is the

10:03

price of the service. This.

10:06

Is it it says men haircut right here.

10:08

Shampoo, Around get a gear, but

10:10

here's another one on those. Like, if

10:13

it's a salon person, they're paying a

10:15

major percentage of their feet to the

10:17

salon. If it's like a fantastic Sam's

10:19

they're making minimum wage so they're also

10:21

living off of tips of the customers

10:24

because the store or the salon. Is.

10:26

Getting the majority of that

10:28

costs Rover. Whoops. I said

10:30

the company a hundred percent of that

10:32

rate goes to the family. They set

10:34

their own read: why am I tipping

10:36

you on top of what you already.

10:39

Turned. On me I and I and I

10:41

do tip but always feel awkward social pressure

10:43

because I don't like i pad tip culture.

10:45

I like it when it's in a little

10:47

secretive booklet, muriel it out and close it.

10:49

but when a slide the I pad over.

10:52

Not only can they see at everyone around

10:54

he sees you know where were you doing

10:56

it and and and it's yes again Ahmed

10:58

I'm going to be good sport here. But.

11:01

He did. The different scenarios are I

11:03

you know it is getting a little

11:05

I always someone comes and takes an

11:08

appliance at your house. Do you tip

11:10

them. Know.

11:12

Have never to know I died. Tip:

11:14

Appliance Repair People: Were you supposed to.

11:18

A. Disservice. that's what I was of serve

11:20

as but you're paying like one hundred some

11:22

dollars an hour? like. Like.

11:24

A hot I pay off so I

11:26

hire an electrician come out hundred dollars an

11:29

hour to work on my house. You're

11:31

saying when I'm standing on the driveway see

11:33

said he be no be of zones and

11:35

stuff he says okay six hours six

11:37

hundred dollars. And I get my card years

11:39

and was a tip on top of that. I'd.

11:42

Have thought or know we're supposed to

11:44

do. I'm selling around seven money and

11:47

A and tie. I give me old

11:49

appreciate yeah and then slide another fifteen

11:51

percent-really is t first will at is

11:54

that I did that for like service

11:56

workers cause they're not the ones making

11:58

the money to. Company is. but if

12:01

is it an elixir? see getting paid directly.

12:03

He got all that money. To. Say

12:05

okay if you don't want deters me.

12:07

Six hundred surgery, six sixties? What if

12:09

he works for an electrician company but

12:12

where we now know interest and on

12:14

tractor specifically Bill Actors and that I'd

12:16

rather have a road are for say

12:18

roto Rooter comes out. He referred line

12:20

from scenario. they're a part of the

12:22

out there an hourly rate employ you

12:25

know so you tip the roto rooter

12:27

in the driveway. I think he might

12:29

because the European the road or router

12:31

advertising the painted vans the your pan

12:33

for the company. Excited that are known

12:35

as only and said because down haven't

12:38

investigate the the corporate structure the all

12:40

these contracting Vr You know I don't

12:42

know who owns this operation hair Edges

12:44

it's just confusing. I feel like there

12:46

needs to be some sort of just

12:48

hard line here. Yeah no. I.

12:51

Feel like. I'm. Nervous

12:53

about this? Rover. Dot com situation

12:55

because I really like this family. He.

12:58

Took good care of my dog. They ordered you

13:00

in my neighborhood no tip would know I have.

13:02

I just got the tax rate for he recorded

13:04

so I haven't. I wanted your

13:06

thoughts. I don't know what to do because now

13:09

I'm going to. if I'd. If.

13:11

They set a fair rate and they're

13:13

not expecting an additional tip. I'm. An

13:15

idiot for wasting money. If. They.

13:18

Are expecting to because everybody tips them and I

13:20

don't the maybe they don't wanna take my dog

13:22

max strip. Okay, Here's one.

13:24

Here's one that I've learned to.

13:28

Doorman. Game. There's

13:30

a there's and there's a nice

13:32

establishment in town. Or yeah, like

13:34

you've been there, it's it's that.

13:37

I'm. Ah, Yes I said the

13:39

Cavalier hotel here that air and to

13:41

find the the haunted on or

13:43

near exactly But but you know

13:45

it's it'd like said, very nice

13:47

to sabotage have a doorman. You.

13:50

Know who greets you when you come in, when

13:52

you leave. I was tipped the

13:54

doorman and I'll shower them to them. Chatty person

13:56

and I go. There are enough that I recognize

13:58

them. But. You

14:00

basically. Giving someone just have

14:03

a conversation about if they did

14:05

anything for you. I he called

14:07

you a cab. Help get

14:09

your luggage. Ah, the trunk of the cabinet

14:11

dropped you are other people do that. He.

14:15

he's. More like were hit or me and are

14:17

literally are. You.

14:19

To hip the guy who opens the door. Yeah.

14:23

See. You insert a slippery slope. I

14:26

that's until I went on in general

14:28

outline down this mountains Emily the doorman

14:30

to you see with some regularity you

14:33

tell them. For.

14:35

Sauce thank you for assuming that I

14:37

say and nice enough places with act

14:39

or men to tip city so much

14:41

more. This is those like restaurants and stuff

14:43

within the confines that are several I

14:45

say there is. No

14:47

God will that doesn't like. Here's my thing with

14:50

tipping. Culture has like. Everyone.

14:52

Would love more money it's been. It's like I

14:54

don't. I feel bad when I don't have contact.

14:56

Like or not, I do always tip. I don't

14:58

always give a great tip, but it's like. I

15:01

don't have a. Massive influx of

15:03

cash to give us. I do so says

15:05

nabbing said the doorman. I probably don't tip

15:07

am I Give him a nice. Handshake

15:10

Thank you for your service. Has a

15:12

he wants that are the looking for

15:14

that again I keep looking at the

15:16

wrong person then if that's what I'd

15:18

I'd taco sauce. My mom bought tipping

15:20

the other day oh mother's day, took

15:22

into account the family out to lunch

15:24

and and nicer a certain I picked

15:27

up the tab in any way. I

15:29

don't know how tipping came up but

15:31

my mom is very. Fiscally

15:33

conservative see: the Cfl. My.

15:36

Entire life they've lived. Far.

15:38

Below their means. Grown. Up

15:40

my mom would buy. The generic grocery

15:42

store brand is that of craft and

15:45

like junk like that like to save

15:47

a few boxes are sick Aber Ministry

15:49

family. Her parents were missionaries. The very

15:51

thrifty new I depression era just viewed

15:53

you pay cash. you know dad. That

15:55

kind of the mindset that. While.

15:59

My. purse or really rich too. So

16:01

probably because of that. But

16:04

like they are Christian

16:06

leaders in certain circles. I mean, they started a Christian media

16:08

company and all this kind of stuff. And

16:10

my mom, and then we were talking about

16:12

tipping and she said, she's like,

16:15

I'm a really generous tipper. And it's

16:17

like, okay, what do you mean by that? Yeah. And

16:20

she's like, well, first of all, I use

16:22

it as kind of a testimony because like,

16:24

they'll talk to their servers about the Lord

16:26

and stuff. I mean, they'll pray for their

16:29

servers. And they're just, they, they are known

16:31

as like, and especially they go to the

16:33

same like five restaurants all the time. Right.

16:35

So they're kind of known in their neighborhood.

16:37

Applebee's, Minnegan's, Long Horse, Chili's,

16:39

some Italian restaurants. And it is

16:42

for real, like, they're creatures of

16:44

habit. The law, the last flood rockers in

16:46

the country. So they feel like, like a

16:48

celebrity would then that's what is a different,

16:50

but like, they feel like the staff knows

16:52

us and we want to be a good

16:55

witness. Basically, a mom's gym, son

16:57

situation. My mom over tips. And I was

16:59

like, well, what do you do at a

17:01

restaurant? She's like, if it's normal service, I'll

17:03

tip 30% up tip 50 and more percent.

17:05

Yeah. If like the person like I just

17:07

have a heart for them. And

17:09

I was like, yeah, but then you set the precedence

17:11

with that, that, that server that you're

17:13

a 50% tipper. And now every time she's going

17:15

to think you're gonna, you've trapped yourself. She's like, so

17:18

be it. Like, it's in my

17:20

ministry. It's fine. It's like a celebrity. They go out like

17:22

people are going to tell the story of the time they

17:24

ran to Bill Murray, or I serve Bill Murray at my

17:26

restaurant. And he was a cheap tipper. He was a generous

17:29

tipper. Like, you like, you've got to

17:31

be aware of that. Okay, I get that. That's

17:33

restaurants. See the Rover situation, I'm feeling I might

17:35

have to do a tip I don't want to

17:37

do just so I can have them and my

17:39

good graces for future stays for my dog. Okay,

17:42

there was a neighborhood Mexican restaurant years ago

17:44

that me and my wife, me and Dana

17:46

would frequent and we

17:49

got chatting with our server one night and

17:51

it turned out he was getting married the

17:53

next day. Okay. And so

17:56

I was, you know, Dana like, you

17:58

know, let's give the guys So I gave

18:00

him a very generous, like, gift and I

18:02

said, like, congratulations, you know, like, hey, you're

18:04

getting married, like, set you off on the...

18:08

I felt good about it. Every time I went,

18:11

he sought our table out at that

18:13

point, you know, and would

18:15

bring me things I didn't order, okay?

18:18

And then you feel obligated to eat or drink

18:20

those things because it's like, I didn't ask for

18:23

this, you know? And

18:26

then I felt obligated every time to, like,

18:29

give a generous step. And it

18:31

was... It just created a little... I didn't stop going

18:33

to the restaurant entirely. Like, I'd find a new Mexican

18:35

place. I didn't want to deal with it anymore. No,

18:38

waiters do that because I... My friend and I, last

18:40

Christmas I was in back in Nacogdoches just visiting for

18:42

a while, and one of my friends, we went to

18:44

dinner. And our waitress was

18:46

great, very gossipy. She came over to

18:48

our table to tell us about what

18:50

was happening at other tables, which, personally,

18:53

I loved. And

18:55

she was great. She, like, brought us, like, a

18:57

free drink and dessert and stuff. She was wonderful.

18:59

So we obviously gave her, like, an amazing tip.

19:02

Well, she was, like, asking, like,

19:04

when are you guys gonna come back? Like, what time are we here?

19:06

And I was only there for the weekend. And she was like, well,

19:08

I work Sunday afternoon if you want to come back. Like, she was,

19:10

like, trying to get me to come back again. But I

19:12

was like, I don't live here anymore. You're barking up the wrong tree. My

19:14

friend, who still lives there, he went

19:16

there, like, a couple weeks later.

19:19

And she, like, sought him

19:21

out again and was, like, super, super nice. And

19:23

he told me later, he was like, I think she thought that

19:25

we were gonna be the big tippers. But I was the one

19:28

that tipped big. He didn't really tip that big. So

19:31

I feel bad for her because now she won't get a huge tip anymore. My

19:33

biggest tips, and this is gonna come to

19:36

no surprise to anyone, is the guy here

19:38

on the weekends will go to some restaurants

19:40

and do table-side close-up magic. Yeah, but

19:43

you slip him a five, you said. That's not big. No,

19:46

no, I've got him, and I've got

19:48

him gigs, too. I've been so blown

19:50

away. He sees me, and he's like,

19:53

let me stop the show here, guys. I got a

19:55

special customer. And he'll come and do the whole performance,

19:58

okay? if

20:00

you scale it up for a five minute, you

20:03

know, that's like a dollar a minute. That's pretty good, by

20:05

the way. And usually it's 10.

20:08

And it's like a five minute magic show. I

20:11

need a ballpark. How

20:13

much money do you think you've given this man over the years and tips?

20:16

Directly, quite a bit. Indirectly

20:19

even more because I've recommended it for parties

20:21

and people have booked

20:23

them because he's awesome. When you come,

20:25

Cameron, I'm going to look at his schedule and

20:28

we're going to go and he's going to blow your

20:30

mind. I don't know how he's only doing tableside stuff.

20:32

He said he did a lot of stuff in Vegas.

20:35

I don't, I haven't. If you're successful

20:37

as a magician in Vegas, you're not

20:39

ending up as a part-time tableside guy

20:41

in Virginia Beach. I'm sorry. I

20:44

don't know what else. I don't know how he just

20:46

likes it, you know? It's a great

20:49

pizza place. He likes the

20:51

laid-back lifestyle of doing magic at a pizza place

20:53

every other Friday. People

20:56

love it, man. What did he

20:58

do during the day? He's

21:00

like an accountant or something. I haven't really talked to

21:02

him. He's like Ron Swanson on Parks and Rec where

21:04

he lives this double life where

21:06

he's like actually duke whatever at

21:08

night where he's got this whole cult

21:11

following music band. When you see this

21:13

guy, this guy is full-time. This is

21:15

a full-time magician. He's full-time magic. He's

21:17

full-time magic. Wait. You think

21:19

so? Before we move on, just so I just remembered,

21:21

did I tell you that I recently found out my

21:23

friend has a retired magician's pet rabbit? No.

21:28

How did was this rabbit

21:31

acquired? So she agreed

21:33

to – this was like in 2020. She

21:35

agreed to watch this rabbit for her friend

21:37

who did magic kind of on the side

21:40

and used the

21:42

rabbit, you know, in tricks or whatever. The

21:45

friend went to Texas I think for

21:47

something. I don't know what

21:50

it was. Anyways, never came back to Tennessee.

21:52

So just left this rabbit with my friend.

21:55

So now she has to care for this rabbit because she

21:57

wouldn't give it up. But it's a retired.

22:00

Magic rabbit and so they it does no trick so

22:02

I'm supposed to go over at some point and we're

22:04

gonna try a bunch of Different magic tricks. It

22:07

has it doesn't need to do any tricks. What's the point?

22:14

You might as well not qualify it It

22:18

can do tricks what does that mean? Doesn't

22:20

do the trick. She told me She

22:23

told me that I think like she had seen his set

22:25

or something And so she would just like do the

22:28

tricks that he did with the rabbit and I was like I don't

22:30

know what that means. I need to see this in person Put

22:34

the rabbit in a box and then slide a thing to

22:36

cover it up So it looks like it's not in there

22:38

anymore and then he's back in there like the grab it

22:40

just sat there the whole time I didn't do anything By

22:43

the way, I just want to confirm. I Just

22:47

went to my magician's friend His

22:50

Instagram Garen and he identifies as a professional

22:52

magician in 2024 25 is fully booked He's

22:56

not even booked until 2020. Yeah, because

22:58

he's working full-time at State Farm and

23:00

he's fully booked in the evenings He

23:03

has available. I refuse to

23:05

believe a man of his talents is working

23:07

at State Farm I'm sorry not disparaging insurance

23:09

agents, but this guy's out of your league He

23:13

was by the way, he would kill it as an

23:15

insurance salesman because he would open every meeting with sweet

23:17

magic tricks That's true

23:19

story. I'd hire that. I'd

23:21

go with that guy some website

23:23

or a State Farm agent salesperson

23:26

I feel I Feel

23:29

like if you want to be successful in

23:31

sales learn a couple good magic tricks Everyone's going

23:33

to do business with you, but we learned

23:35

on the office when Toby was having to take

23:37

away Michaels corporate credit card again Michael

23:40

took it down in the magic shop and bought $100 worth of

23:42

magic tricks So

23:47

and Michael's right here Michael was right and

23:49

Toby was dead wrong dead wrong I

23:52

pulled a cigarette through the freaking quarter Toby or

23:54

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Was happening at the intersection of faith and courses. We

25:24

can only. Am I

25:26

right? Well, I think if you remember a

25:28

month ago we were talking about Russell Brand's

25:31

because he adjusts and baptized and he was

25:33

talking about it on mine and and ever

25:35

since and he's in posting and it's weeklies,

25:37

sometimes daily updates on just what he's been

25:39

learning on a safe journey and. In.

25:41

Houses and growing and has been changing and it's

25:44

in really interesting to watch am in This week

25:46

he gave a one month updates and it was

25:48

just really deep and we actually want you to

25:50

listen to the video of her in a place

25:52

here. Are. being a christian a

25:54

month now and it's been a

25:57

big change not entirely change the

25:59

person Of course I haven't, but

26:01

I've taken on a lot of new

26:03

concepts and it changes you to accept

26:05

that it's not like you're in a

26:07

game show and by doing really, really

26:10

good things you can get redeemed. No,

26:12

repentance to repent means that you have

26:14

to continually change and acknowledge that I

26:16

am in a battle against myself, that

26:19

I need to surrender myself to an

26:21

ever-present, internal and accessible Jesus, that mercy

26:23

is something that's given to me, been

26:25

granted to me, that I live with

26:28

through love, not something that I can

26:30

sort of win or achieve by doing

26:32

good deeds. It's brought incredible

26:34

people to me, incredible literature to me, it's

26:36

brought a sense of peace and when I'm

26:39

in doubt, I feel that instruction is there,

26:41

accessible, that I feel like I know what

26:43

I'm supposed to do and when I don't

26:45

do what I'm supposed to do, that's even

26:47

clearer. When I feel

26:50

myself being selfish or inconsiderate

26:52

or putting myself first or

26:54

not thinking about how I

26:56

can be better to other

26:58

people, it's as if there

27:00

is an inner illumination available

27:02

to me now. I

27:04

love the simplicity of the idea of

27:06

God come to earth as a man

27:08

to experience what it is to be

27:11

human and to sacrifice himself because that's

27:13

the only sacrifice that could bring us

27:15

home, that could give us the opportunity

27:17

for redemption. I like the idea

27:20

when I'm in prayer and in communion

27:22

just alone that there is

27:24

a figure available, wounded

27:27

and coronated available to

27:29

me. In my failings

27:31

and my failures and in my fallibility,

27:33

there is strength to be broken, not

27:36

just broken by life in the sense

27:38

of life is wearying and exhausting but

27:40

to be broken in the same way

27:42

that you have to train an animal

27:45

to behave itself, to be broken into

27:47

better conduct. It's a beautiful journey

27:49

to go on. I know I'm just at the beginning,

27:51

I know I'm just learning, I know there's so much

27:54

more to learn and I'm so excited to learn more

27:56

from you and for us to learn together. Let

27:58

me know where your journey is taking you. Can you

28:00

remember your first month as a Christian and

28:02

let me know if since I've been talking

28:05

about this publicly is made you think about

28:07

Christianity differently? We have in Lhasa conversations about

28:09

the stuff and I'm so grateful to be

28:11

having them with you. Stay free. Mom.

28:15

Know there was a. You

28:17

know, honest and it's I've I think the

28:20

thing that jumped out to me most about

28:22

his is, ah, I mean, there's a lot

28:24

on back, right? I mean, he. That's one

28:26

thing about Russell Brand. He can pack a

28:29

lot into a very little amount of time.

28:31

Hobbies very articulate, but just when he talked

28:33

about the sense of peace, you know, And

28:37

I think that is one of

28:39

the coolest most ever present. Things.

28:42

About being a christian piano, his insight

28:45

about grace and mercy and the work

28:47

of the Holy spirit internalized and stuff

28:49

like this one month and. This.

28:51

Man has more of a grasp of christian

28:54

theology. Than. Many many people

28:56

who grew up in the church sterilise. You.

28:58

Know like that are more

29:00

understanding of chris. Cultural.

29:03

Christianity or it off

29:05

like. Is this kind of

29:07

a lifestyle that we are deliver whenever? This guy

29:09

is like delving into. The. Scriptures

29:11

in the spiritual experience and stuff like I'm

29:13

I'm. I'm kind of blown away

29:15

by how quickly he's. Rapping. His

29:18

head around all this is our yeah it's

29:20

really cool cause I also can I think

29:22

of another time such the a celebrity has

29:24

been so open and born of about the

29:26

beginning of their journey Like a lot of

29:28

them. In. A Maybe they share the

29:31

cleanup. Baptize. But. Then they don't. Really?

29:33

Opened up about what that means for them or what

29:35

they're learning and stuff and I do think it's really

29:37

nice said he's. Been. Very vulnerable cousins

29:39

videos that we've seen over the last month

29:42

still even admit like and you know he

29:44

learned something like he'll kind of to share

29:46

the new things he's learning like he's not.

29:48

Proposition. Himself as like I'm an expert on

29:50

as a key is very much taking. His

29:53

like see on a journey with him which

29:55

is. And. I think it's really interesting

29:57

to see how this will play out. And.

30:00

I just appreciate the earnestness of someone who's

30:02

new to the faith and it kind of

30:04

reminds I

30:06

think anyone who's been a Christian

30:09

for any amount of time, what it's like

30:11

in those periods where there's

30:13

elements of the faith that are new and exciting

30:16

and it's cool to see that in somebody and

30:18

also be reminded of like, wow, there's

30:20

a lot I feel like we all

30:22

probably take for granted sometimes. So

30:26

I saw forgetting

30:29

Sarah Marshall. I saw

30:31

some clips of his stand up a long

30:33

time ago. I read your cover

30:35

story with him at Relevant Magazine. I

30:40

see clips on social media here and there. That's what I

30:42

know of Russell Brand. That's the totality of what I know

30:44

about Russell Brand. So yesterday when we

30:46

posted this on the website, our

30:49

designer had taken off so I was looking for

30:51

like a Russell Brand image so we could

30:53

post it. So

30:56

I go over to his YouTube channel to

30:58

like, I'm going to just grab a screenshot or

31:00

something. I

31:02

have not been aware of

31:04

the Russell Brand ecosystem. That

31:08

man's a conspiracy theorist. That is, it was

31:10

a wild journey. The Russell Brand YouTube channel

31:12

was a wild journey for me yesterday and

31:14

I'm like, why do we have to get

31:16

the weird ones? Why can't

31:18

we get like Christian Bale and like

31:20

normal actors? Why do we have to

31:22

get the conspiracy anti-vaxxer dudes who are

31:24

like already like on the fringes? He's

31:26

had quite the journey. Quite the journey.

31:29

Quite the journey. Quite a few paths. So

31:32

if any of y'all know like Christian Bale

31:34

or I don't know Emma

31:36

Watson or somebody like that, they may

31:39

already be. They may already be. They may already

31:41

be. They may already be. They may already be.

31:43

They may already be. They may already be. They

31:45

may already be. There are two names that you

31:47

picked of all the celebrities, Christian Bale and Emma

31:49

Watson. Okay, well first of all, Christian Bale, you

31:51

know for a fact that I watched Ford versus

31:53

Ferrari last night. So he was on my mind. I

31:55

already told you this. But Emma

31:58

Watson, as I say, Christian Bale, I really. I

32:00

realized I'm just saying a white man. So

32:02

I was trying to think of a female to the name to say. That

32:05

was not a controversial female. So

32:07

I had to go down the list quite a

32:09

ways and then Emma Watson popped in. So there

32:11

you go. Emma Watson, is she controversial? I

32:14

don't know. No, I think

32:16

for the most part, she's fine. Yeah,

32:18

I just want a nice normal. We got Chris

32:20

Pratt. I'm glad about that one. But

32:24

there's got to be something in between Chris Pratt and

32:26

Tim Tebow and Russell Brand on

32:28

the other side. That is

32:30

a wide spectrum. But

32:32

there's probably a lot

32:35

that maybe just aren't as vocal.

32:38

But you're saying we need a vocal one

32:40

who's not on the... Yeah, a vocal one

32:42

that's not a conspiracy theorist and

32:45

isn't like... I

32:47

don't know. Just

32:49

someone in the... Yeah. We'll

32:52

figure out. Let's come up with that list. Let's work

32:54

on that. Yeah. Let's work on that.

32:56

We'll get right on that. Yeah. And

32:58

if any of y'all are in LA and you run into

33:01

Mark Wahlberg at the Grove, just

33:03

go up to him. Mark

33:06

Wahlberg, he is. He's very... Okay, hold

33:08

on. I hear you. I'm

33:10

not the Catholic one. I'm thinking of Chaining Tatum.

33:12

I was thinking of the other shirtless guy. There

33:14

you go, Chaining Tatum. If you happen to see

33:16

Chaining Tatum at the Grove... Yeah, the two shirtless

33:18

men, Mark Wahlberg and Chaining Tatum. Who's

33:21

the other guy? John Cena. I get John

33:23

Cena and Chaining Tatum mixed up all the time. John Cena would be

33:25

a good one. Let's get him in the fold. Hey,

33:28

just so y'all know, John Cena does follow us

33:30

on Twitter. Really?

33:33

John Cena follows us on Twitter. Yeah, this is

33:35

like... Do you remember about Jesus, Emily? My

33:40

tweets are always written in the thought of what would John Cena

33:42

want to engage with? And

33:48

that's what we tweet. He's

33:51

going to boost our algo. I'm

33:54

reading... I'm reading... Well, again, this

33:56

is me just looking at the

33:59

Googling. But some people say

34:01

John Cena already is a believer. Well

34:04

he needs to use his platform to talk about

34:06

it the way Russell Brand and Chris Pratt do.

34:09

See that's what I'm saying. I don't want a Hydra-Bushel

34:11

type Christian. I want a normal, like

34:14

mainstream popular celebrity who's a shine

34:17

your light type Christian. You know

34:19

what I'm saying? Kind of like Alan

34:21

Richardson guy, except he's a little political. He's got

34:23

a little conservative. Sure. And

34:25

then he says can we confirm that John

34:27

Cena is not also a crazy conspiracy theorist

34:29

or anything like that? He

34:32

does kind of reek of conspiracy beliefs.

34:35

John Cena? Yeah. Yeah.

34:37

I can see him going down the wormhole.

34:40

I think he seems pretty reasonable. Again, I'm

34:42

presuming a lot just based on I

34:44

don't even know that I've seen one John Cena. He

34:47

became famous wearing a Speedo and no

34:49

shirt. I don't know. Well, I mean

34:51

he was wrestling. He wasn't just doing

34:54

that. You

34:56

may sound like he just famously was

34:58

that's why like, oh, look at this

35:01

guy. No, he was he was professional

35:03

wrestling in, you know, I think

35:06

I think that's an important distinction to make

35:08

in his rise to fame. I

35:10

don't think it was just the Speedo. I don't think

35:12

it was the Speedo first and then like, hey, you

35:14

should probably wrestle. I think it was. You

35:18

know what I mean? Got it. Got it.

35:20

Yeah. All right. To

35:22

be fair, I don't know. I'm just kidding. You

35:24

might have just gotten, you might have read

35:26

it famous. I haven't read his autobiography. Yeah. Yeah.

35:29

Okay. Let me get, let me ask you guys

35:31

this. Do you guys feel like who you are online is who you are in

35:33

real life? For the most

35:36

part, I'm not really online, you know,

35:38

outside of this. So sure. Yeah.

35:40

I don't post at all. I recognize I'm talking to

35:43

maybe the two least online people in my life. We

35:46

are incredibly online on the consumption

35:48

side. Yeah. Online on

35:50

the posting our life side. Okay.

35:53

All right. Well, you know, some people who take

35:55

a very different approach to life and the internet

35:57

from the two of you is Gen Z. the

36:00

new study found out that 46%

36:02

of Gen Z nearly half of

36:04

them feel like they live a

36:06

double life online. Double life meaning?

36:10

So they reported that they feel like their

36:12

personality online, like who they are is very

36:14

different from how they actually present themselves in

36:17

the real world. Interesting.

36:19

And that is there is there a

36:21

reason just is that sort

36:23

of just like a generational

36:26

value to have

36:28

the a positive perception

36:30

online? Well, no.

36:32

So about 68% said it's just

36:35

easier to express themselves online. And

36:37

so they're more comfortable sharing their

36:39

beliefs, whether it's, you know, political

36:41

or otherwise their ambitions, their fears,

36:44

they just feel more confident posting that

36:46

online, then maybe engaging in those kind

36:48

of conversations in person. And

36:51

so they and because of that, they kind of

36:53

feel this disconnect with who they are on the

36:56

internet or social media versus who they are in real world.

36:58

That's interesting, because that's such

37:00

a value of the newer,

37:02

you know, younger generations is

37:05

authenticity. And it's interesting that they are

37:07

in like living a conscious

37:09

that they're living a

37:12

false identity online to who they really are

37:14

or, or vice versa, that that's who they

37:16

really are. And they don't

37:18

express that in the real life. I feel

37:20

like this, I've read other

37:22

studies about any and I

37:25

don't paint with too broad of a

37:27

brush, but like how there's been other

37:29

studies about Gen Z, like, doesn't like

37:32

talking on the phone, or is like

37:34

uncomfortable answering the phone or having in

37:36

person conversations or having relationships that aren't,

37:38

you know, mostly digital. Is

37:42

Emily again, I know, I

37:44

don't want to I know, it's not a monolithic, you

37:46

know, sort of value, but in your experience, is that

37:49

check out? And why do you think that is? Yeah,

37:52

I definitely think that it and I mean,

37:54

I've always said the reason I liked writing

37:56

is because I think it

37:58

allows me to really, really think through what I

38:00

want to say and what I want to put

38:02

out there and so I think

38:05

– I also think I don't have as much experience talking

38:08

on the phone. I will say like I feel

38:10

like I'm a much better speaker being on this

38:12

podcast because I have to vocalize

38:14

things sometimes quickly. I don't always get

38:16

to think through my thoughts. I just kind

38:18

of you know speak my mind.

38:21

You can call it verbal vomit. Emily's verbal vomit.

38:23

It's a t-shirt I have. It's trademarked. Emily's verbal

38:25

vomit. I don't throw up on it. No but

38:27

like I've never really had a place

38:29

in my life where I've had to verbal vomit.

38:31

It's always so many things have been online and

38:34

so I do think that Gen Z they've grown

38:36

up even more online than I have. So

38:39

yeah I can see why they prefer to

38:41

maybe speak their mind online but they

38:43

just feel so uncomfortable sharing it vocally.

38:48

So this isn't as much about like the

38:50

influencer like taking the perfect picture on your

38:53

vacation projecting a life

38:56

that you know a happiness level that

38:58

maybe your reality is you're struggling but

39:00

you project like everything's fine. You're talking

39:02

about like how they interact with issues

39:04

ideas and other people. Interesting. Okay

39:07

and then the last thing you know summer's happening

39:09

which means there's a lot of music festivals going

39:11

on and there was one that caught

39:13

our eye this year that we're really excited about.

39:15

ACL Austin City Limits. Of course

39:17

I'm a little biased because it's my favorite

39:20

but they've got a really great lineup this

39:22

year. The headliners are Dua Lipa, Chris Stapleton,

39:24

Tyler the Creator, Blink 182, Leon Bridges and

39:27

then there's a lot of other smaller bands like Royal

39:29

Otis, Connor Price. We're really excited to see those. Connor

39:32

Price is playing ACL. Yeah. Christian

39:35

rapper Connor Price. That's crazy. Yeah.

39:37

Hope you weekend one. So

39:39

yeah so it's really exciting. There's a lot of like really

39:41

cool music. I know y'all love festivals. I'm

39:44

curious do y'all have any like favorite memories that come to

39:46

mind when you think of music festivals? Too many to count.

39:48

I think I went 15 straight years.

39:50

Too many to count. Yeah.

39:55

Jesse do you? Yeah I mean just the energy

39:57

of seeing an artist with that

40:00

many people collectively is always

40:02

an experience. Crazy

40:05

fun. And it's cool that

40:07

ACL is doing this, because Coachella kind of jumped the

40:09

shark this year. It feels like, you know, it's just...

40:11

Yeah. Yeah, it feels like this is

40:13

one of the last years of really

40:15

people caring about Coachella. Yeah,

40:17

or Coachella having the cultural cachet that it

40:20

used to. Yeah, exactly. It's

40:22

getting uncool. Whereas I think it's funny that

40:24

ACL, I

40:27

mean, some respects a lot of Palooza, Bonnaroo, they

40:30

never tried to go after the LA

40:32

Glitz influencer. The influencer thing, yeah. So

40:34

it's just like music fans coming for

40:36

great music, you know, and like, yeah,

40:38

and they're still rocking. Love it. All

40:41

right, well, we'll see y'all at ACL, I guess. That'll

40:44

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bar g He's a hip hop artist

42:06

signed to Reach Records and recently dropped

42:08

his latest and golden this time last

42:10

year. He has an amazing story and

42:12

we want to share with you in

42:14

the summer season with Emily. He talks

42:16

about what was like growing up as

42:19

a first generation Mexican American including would

42:21

have liked to witnesses that good supported

42:23

how is life experiences and faith have

42:25

saved his identity as an artist and

42:27

someone's worth? Here's our conversations with sort

42:29

of are just. Full

42:36

of heard you have. A really interesting background story.

42:39

Tell me what was your opinion like?

42:41

Mom my mix

42:44

first generation Mexican

42:46

American on. Art.

42:48

Is based on, you know, Lana.

42:50

Ah. Screw around

42:52

with, you know where to start? I.

42:55

I've been doing using some thousand

42:58

kid honestly mile from my parents

43:00

always supported me money. Does

43:03

the rap in Adelaide talent shows

43:05

and stuff him I. Barely

43:08

cats in the beats. A lie, You

43:10

know? Now we're here. I reach. Doing

43:13

an unseen. Been doing these tours.

43:15

Lights On is definitely been a

43:18

journey by. I'm. Yeah,

43:20

it's a good at the. I've

43:22

seen guys favorite as hand along

43:24

the hallways and obviously the support

43:27

my parents and my friends and

43:29

families know he does. So

43:31

he said you've always in his music but

43:34

when did you decide that you want to

43:36

say career out of it? So ah I

43:38

working out a any. Have

43:40

originated cause in it and

43:42

hours actually getting in trouble

43:44

for like been distracted so

43:46

my them signal these causes

43:48

does. And. as

43:51

their money manager kept on me from

43:53

new zealand distract the adama i'm always

43:55

doing something notes and i realized i'm

43:57

sitting there like thinking through life next

44:00

song I'm in a release or

44:02

and I'm sitting there thinking through like

44:04

song ideas or merch ideas, design ideas.

44:06

And yeah, that

44:09

was definitely my last job. I like I

44:11

just, I told myself like, you

44:13

know what, maybe maybe I should just pursue

44:16

this all the way. And

44:19

yeah, I dropped my

44:21

first single Don't Forget to Live

44:23

on my birthday, I

44:25

believe. Yeah, it was on my birthday. And then,

44:29

yeah, I'm in the rest of history. That's the song

44:31

that Ace discovered. Ace is the A&R over here at

44:34

Reach. Yeah, he discovered

44:37

that and I'm in the rest of history.

44:52

What was it like to take that leap of faith? I

44:55

wasn't really nervous. I was more so

44:58

just ready to take on whatever came

45:00

with it. My parents, I've

45:02

always had I feel like I mentioned my parents a

45:04

lot, but I've always had their support. I've

45:07

always had them back in me and you

45:09

know, obviously, rapping isn't

45:11

like a traditional job like it is in

45:13

like, something that's

45:15

like consistent even definitely at

45:18

first, like I wasn't seeing any money.

45:21

But anything I was losing money,

45:23

but you know, my

45:25

parents were just supportive and they were there with

45:27

me. And you know, it's crazy to share these

45:29

moments with them now. Like, I'm pretty sure my

45:32

mom's gonna look at this interview soon as it

45:34

drops. And,

45:37

and even just like dropping my album, you know,

45:39

the first person I was talking to was my

45:42

dad, you know, so it's really cool to share

45:44

these moments. And you know, just I feel like

45:46

I get to reward the people who believe in

45:48

me with just putting

45:51

in the work and continuing

45:53

to push forward, you know. How

46:06

do you think your life and your faith

46:08

shape the music that you create? I

46:11

think for me music and life, really

46:13

just art and life aren't like two

46:15

separate things. I think they can always

46:17

like influence

46:19

each other if anything. Like when I go

46:21

to a museum and I see a piece

46:24

that inspires me, I'm like, dang, like, you

46:27

know, like maybe I should lock

46:29

back in and get to work

46:31

or sometimes, yeah,

46:33

like things that I go through

46:35

in life inspire the music

46:37

and the things I put out. To

46:41

me, I don't know. It's

46:44

hard for me to create out of a place of

46:46

like, oh, yeah, let me do a song like this

46:48

or oh, yeah, that's what's happening. That's

46:50

what everybody's doing. Let me make that

46:52

song or, you

46:55

know, what's going to get me trending? I

46:58

don't know. It's just it's hard

47:00

to think about because I never really think about

47:02

those things. Like for me, it's

47:04

really just what's going on day to day.

47:06

And I feel like the music and the

47:08

art is a reflection of where

47:10

I'm at most of the time. Something

47:25

that I really love about your music

47:27

is that you talk about real issues,

47:29

like it's thinking about your song 3am,

47:31

which is about your dad's deportation. You

47:34

know, I'm just so curious, you know, what was it like

47:36

to sort of relive and reprocess

47:39

that experience while writing that song?

47:42

It's tough. It's tough because to me, it's not

47:44

like let me make

47:46

a song about XYZ. Like

47:49

I mean,

47:51

yeah, immigration and what happened,

47:54

the things that have happened to my family,

47:57

like that's our lives, you know, like I

47:59

don't remember. or

48:01

just driving and being nervous that

48:03

there was a police behind us

48:05

because they pull you over,

48:09

you're being sent back home.

48:11

So yeah, I

48:14

don't know. It was just my reality and

48:17

I chose to express it. For

48:20

me, I didn't

48:22

realize how much

48:24

it would mean to people until it was

48:27

out. And I realized, oh man, there's so

48:29

many people that are going through what I've

48:31

gone through. Not that I didn't think of

48:33

that, but it just felt even realer. I

48:36

don't know if that makes sense, but for

48:38

me, it was like I felt

48:41

like I was able to be a voice

48:43

for people who just don't necessarily

48:46

have a voice. And yeah,

48:48

I don't take it for granted. I

48:50

think my story and the things that I've gone

48:53

through, it isn't for me to just pity myself

48:55

or feel bad. Like

48:58

yes, we're going through all this and yes,

49:00

it hurts. And

49:03

we're still in the process right now, but

49:05

it doesn't mean that God can't use it

49:07

to bring hope and healing to other people

49:10

even while we're in the process. So

49:12

yeah, it's kind of where

49:14

I'm at. It's kind of hard to pinpoint

49:16

that though because it's not something I

49:18

went through and

49:22

now we're on the other side of it. We're

49:24

still dealing with that and

49:27

it's my life. And I know a lot of

49:29

people are going through that. And if

49:31

I can be a voice for somebody, I'm

49:33

right here to remind people that I'm not

49:35

alone, remind people

49:37

that there's hope and ultimately, like,

49:40

went to Jesus. What do you

49:42

hope people take away from

49:45

music when they

49:48

hear it? I

49:54

just hope that they could hear

49:56

me rather than listening

49:58

with the assumption what I'm going to

50:01

talk about or like what I'm going to

50:03

say. Like I just hope that they can

50:05

hear me because it's not just my story.

50:07

It's thousands and thousands of other people's story.

50:10

And I yeah, I just hope that they can

50:13

they can maybe have compassion and

50:16

some sort of empathy for

50:18

my struggle and for other people's trouble, you know,

50:21

I don't know. I'm like it's

50:23

it's it's kind of feeling heavy right now.

50:25

They've been talking about it, but like it's

50:27

it's our lives. And I think yeah, I

50:29

just want people to hear

50:32

me and see us know that

50:35

we're not like we're not just

50:38

we're not just like dishwashers. We're

50:40

not just like home cleaners. We're

50:43

not just construction workers. We're not

50:45

like we are we're families that

50:47

like that are hardworking, but we're

50:49

also we have our own struggles.

50:52

We have our own attentions and

50:54

things we deal with throughout life.

50:56

And yeah, we're so underrepresented and

50:59

misrepresented like I'm just I hope

51:01

that they can hear me. That

51:34

was one of our G make sure to check out his

51:36

new single. He's got God

51:38

Made Away this time last year and

51:40

his most recent album New Hollywood. All

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All right, it's time

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for your feedback. Now a little housekeeping note. Jesse

53:23

is no longer with us. Don't

53:25

say it like that. Do not say it like

53:27

that. He had to

53:29

bounce real quick. Anyway,

53:32

last week we asked you guys what

53:34

song or movie would make a good

53:37

sermon illustration? How do we get talking

53:39

about that? I forget. Oh,

53:41

because I made sure the first buzz item

53:44

I talked about was Helis Swift Church and

53:47

how the... It's in Germany. In

53:50

Germany, yeah. They did a whole

53:52

Sunday series about sermons based

53:54

on Taylor Swift lyrics and they had more in

53:56

attendance in one Sunday than they did all year

53:59

long at the... church in

54:01

Germany. Yeah, best thing of other

54:03

songs or movies, obviously, the Braveheart

54:06

Matrix era was

54:08

a little oversaturated in the 2000s

54:10

and 2010s in churches.

54:13

So we asked you, you hit us up on X

54:15

at relevant podcasts. And here's a few of our favorites.

54:18

I do want to give a quick shout out to Lee

54:20

who said that kind of in regard to the buzz, his

54:23

wife, he and his wife did a

54:25

mashup of simple gospel and everything has changed, which is

54:27

the Taylor Swift song. And it was received

54:29

well at our church. I need you

54:32

to know I love simple gospel. That's one of my

54:34

favorite worship songs of all time. And I love Taylor

54:36

Swift as we've, as I've made sure

54:38

everyone knows as well. So I do need

54:40

to see a video clip of that.

54:43

And I will make it my like

54:45

number one. Lee, Lee Maki. Yeah. Lee

54:47

Maki. All right. Holy

54:52

Lee, just leave it there. That's all I'm saying is

54:54

leave it there. Because it made sense. Like don't like

54:56

force it. Like don't don't try to like get

54:59

like Kendrick's not like us into a worship album

55:01

or something like that. Like or a worship song.

55:03

Like just leave it at the Taylor Swift thing

55:05

that you did. And then I know leave on

55:08

a high note. Like, and

55:10

I'm gonna fully disagree with Cameron on this one and

55:12

say you should turn every possible Taylor

55:15

Swift song into a worship song. Oh,

55:18

just Taylor Swift catalog, not pop music in

55:20

general. There's like 300 songs to choose from.

55:22

So Oh my good. Not a while.

55:25

She's lying. She's put out 300 songs. I

55:28

know it's over 200. I think we're close to 300. All

55:31

right. So what song or movie would you say

55:33

would would make a good sermon illustration? Here's here's

55:36

some of those. Dylan F

55:38

said I heard a sermon on

55:40

Shawshank Redemption when I was in college changed the

55:42

way I watched the movie forever. Try to think

55:45

like, I

55:47

guess the word redemption makes

55:49

sense. Well, like they like are,

55:51

I would say fighting for freedom. It's

55:53

been forever since I saw it. So I don't know.

55:55

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. send

56:00

to come out the other side into righteousness maybe.

56:03

That's where like I love to see youth

56:05

pastors creativity fly is when it's like they

56:08

really will do something like that where they're

56:10

like this is just a normal scene in

56:12

a movie and they're like actually this represents

56:15

the spiritual realm and it's like I don't think it

56:17

does. The struggle of fighting

56:19

against sin to get free of

56:22

pornography addiction and fuck on the other

56:24

side. Yeah. I

56:26

worked with youth, my youth pastor, we

56:28

had watched I think the

56:30

new like Power Rangers movie that came out in like

56:32

2017 and he was trying to convince me like we

56:34

should do a whole sermon series on it I could

56:36

do and I was like I don't think we need

56:38

that. I don't think anyone needs a Power Rangers sermon

56:40

series. I think the young people. We

56:45

can do better. Samantha said I've said

56:47

it a million times but Fix You by Coldplay

56:50

is a deeply theological song and I won't hear

56:52

otherwise. It

56:54

feels like this is going to fall into the there's some

56:57

songs that will fall into the category of the

56:59

game we like to play which is is this a

57:01

love song or is this a worship song? Yeah.

57:04

I do think there are a lot of love songs

57:06

that like the way they describe love it could be

57:08

theological. Absolutely. Frank

57:11

said okay well both these while

57:13

most youth pastors use the matrix

57:15

for illustrations mine was obsessed with

57:17

Rocky. Basically

57:19

he convinced me Rocky was Jesus. I

57:22

need to watch Rocky again with the thought of

57:24

I'm actually watching Jesus in

57:27

silly fighting sin

57:30

overcoming sin again like Josh Hank

57:32

Redemption. I'm telling you these

57:34

youth pastors points for

57:36

creativity. You're battling sin. Exactly.

57:40

John said I'm a worship pastor and the

57:42

best worship moments I've ever led was putting

57:46

free fallen in the middle of a song.

57:48

He said he got some weird looks at first but eventually he

57:50

accepted it. Free

57:53

fallen. The Tom Petty song? Yeah.

57:55

Okay. The chorus is like now

57:57

I'm free free fall. I mean again I think this is where it's

57:59

like the love story going

58:02

into worship. There's

58:04

more where that came from. Go check out

58:06

our replies at relevantmagazine.com. Okay, it's

58:09

time for this week's editorial

58:11

question. Okay,

58:14

well earlier in the show, we got

58:16

to talk about tipping culture, getting a little out

58:18

of hand here. We want to

58:20

know your thoughts. What are your hot takes on tipping

58:23

culture? Now maybe you work in the service industry and

58:25

you have very personal thoughts about

58:28

I need this. Thank you very

58:30

much for acknowledging my effort or

58:32

you are on the other side of

58:34

it and you think that this has gone a little

58:36

sideways and we need to rein this in. What are

58:38

your thoughts on tipping culture? What do you tip? How

58:41

often do you tip? What do you choose to

58:43

not tip? Anyway, hit us up

58:45

on X at relevant podcast or where you see

58:47

us post this question on the other social channels

58:49

and we will read our favorites on next week's

58:51

show. A little bonus

58:54

Jonas, a little bonus question

58:56

that Emily wanted me to

58:58

throw in there was if

59:01

you don't have hard thoughts or strong thoughts

59:03

about tipping culture, tell us what

59:05

normal celebrity you'd like to see become a

59:07

Christian. That's what Emily wanted to ask. I

59:09

didn't know who we need to target. You

59:11

know, bonus Jonas question of the

59:14

week. I need to come up with a

59:16

jingle for the bonus Jonas question. I do

59:18

love that my random questions are called bonus

59:20

Jonas's. Let's do it. I just

59:22

branded it right now. TM. All right.

59:25

Hit us up. We'll read our next week's

59:27

show and then Emily will DM all of

59:29

the celebrities. Some sort

59:31

of link to you version. 100% will. I'll

59:34

do it. Tell me what celebrities you

59:36

want me to DM the Bible. I love

59:39

it. The entire Bible. No, no. Copy,

59:45

copy. We're going straight in IV. We're

59:47

evangelism. Just boom. All right. Here

59:49

we go. Well, before we wrap things up, I want

59:52

to thank what up RG for talking to us today.

59:54

Make sure to check out his new single this time

59:56

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