0:05

This is the

0:09

relevant

0:15

podcast. It's episode 1173 and

0:17

it's the relevant podcast here

0:19

in Orlando. I'm your host

0:21

Cameron Strang and joining me

0:23

from Loverland, Virginia. It's Jesse

0:25

Carey. Hello, hello. From

0:28

Nashville, it's artist, producer, Mogul, Derek Miner.

0:31

What's happening? And just down

0:33

the street there, our managing editor downtown, Emily

0:35

Brown. Hey, y'all. Derek,

0:38

I'm glad you're safe. We were all very concerned.

0:40

You told us via text just seconds

0:43

ago, minutes ago, that you're running a couple

0:45

minutes late because of why. Because

0:48

I told my kids repeatedly

0:51

now that they're out of school that

0:53

you can't just do what you want

0:55

to do upstairs. And you should talk

0:58

to me before you use the microwave

1:00

or the stove. My

1:02

10 year old decided that he

1:05

wanted to make some fish sticks and

1:08

put them on cook for like

1:10

10 minutes in the microwave.

1:14

So I get a text from

1:16

Vivint that says your house is

1:18

on fire. I run

1:20

upstairs. And

1:23

yeah, I have a 10

1:26

year old looking at me very stupidly.

1:31

And I see fish sticks that look like charcoal

1:33

now in the microwave. He

1:37

didn't think to come downstairs and grab

1:39

me. Nothing. He's just looking at

1:41

the microwave like, oh my God. Now

1:44

10 year olds can read on the back

1:46

of a package that says microwave on high

1:48

for three minutes. Yeah. And

1:52

it was because he's black. Black people,

1:54

we don't read instructions on cooking. That's

1:56

what it is. You

2:00

just follow your heart. Like, I ain't never

2:02

seen my auntie use a recipe in her

2:04

life. Like, it's just, we just don't,

2:07

we don't do that. It's like, I think I know

2:09

what don't boil, that's what it is. You just gotta

2:11

burn down a couple of kitchens, you learn your lessons,

2:13

and you apply it moving forward, yeah. I

2:16

like that. I've never used a meat thermometer one time. Me

2:18

and it when I'm grillin', I know when

2:20

it's done. I just feel it. Like. There's

2:23

the hand test, absolutely. This is rare, this

2:25

is medium rare. No, he means he feels

2:27

it in his heart. Yeah, I know. There's

2:29

no timer, there's no temperature. I just, like,

2:31

there's something instinctual. Like, this meat's ready. Like,

2:34

it's time to come off. Like, there's no

2:36

need, there's no need to, you know. It's

2:39

like, our ancestors didn't use meat thermometers.

2:41

They felt it. And that's how. My

2:43

house smells like burnt plastic and

2:46

burnt fish. Fake cod. Luckily.

2:51

So, it's the best smell on

2:53

the planet. Derek, when, you

2:55

know, you were alerting Emily to

2:58

this via

3:00

SMS message, she

3:03

was text message, whatever. Text

3:07

message. It's

3:10

still of whatever. When

3:14

you texted her about this dilemma,

3:17

she didn't know the best way to respond. And

3:20

she was like, do I hurt this? Because you said it.

3:23

Because I asked if you were on your way and you said,

3:25

yes, my kids almost put my hand down. And

3:27

I was like, do I like it to confirm? No,

3:29

you do not do a thumbs up.

3:31

Or do I thumbs down? Do

3:34

I thumbs down? Because your house is on fire?

3:36

Do I question mark it? Because

3:38

I don't know what's happening? There was a

3:40

lot of emotions happening. Like, are you okay?

3:42

Yeah. And it reminded me, I don't know

3:44

if you saw the Apple announcements this week,

3:47

but one of the big updates for iOS

3:49

18 is not artificial intelligence. It's

3:51

that all emojis will be available for

3:53

the tap back so we can have

3:55

a bevy of reactions as opposed to.

3:58

Because there's a wide range between. Heart

4:00

and thumbs up, you know what I mean? And

4:02

like, yes, thanks. And thumbs up, thumbs up, like

4:04

a lot of times the tone, it gets lost.

4:06

And it like. Oh, you're a jerk if you

4:09

use thumbs up. That's it. OK. Thanks, dude. Yeah.

4:11

But you don't want to, sometimes you don't

4:14

want a heart. Like heart, you want to

4:16

reserve. Like, OK, so here is an example

4:18

that happened. I heard your heart. Moment,

4:20

yeah, exactly. You got to reserve those. The

4:23

panel was talking about SMSing. That's

4:26

what I've always read of that. So

4:29

moments before we got on the

4:31

pod, a

4:33

friend of mine in my neighborhood texted me and said, hey,

4:36

do you have the number for this pool

4:38

guy that we mutually know? I

4:40

think his number changed. And I went

4:42

in my phone, and I found his new number, and

4:44

I texted it to the guy. And

4:47

the guy responded, thanks, OK?

4:49

With an exclamation point, right?

4:52

So my instinct

4:54

is to thumbs

4:56

up, right? Got you,

4:59

buddy. Yeah. Yeah, but if I get that, it's

5:01

like, OK, thanks. You

5:04

could have found this number. Like, they could

5:06

have been misinterpreted. It's the grass. Exactly.

5:11

But then it's like, he

5:13

said, thanks, exclamation point. I connected two

5:15

friends that were trying to connect. That

5:17

feels to me, I love this. But

5:21

if I heart the thanks, exclamation

5:23

point, that

5:26

could be equally as weird on the other side.

5:29

And then if I just NP, no problem.

5:33

If he said thanks and you hearted it, that's the

5:36

equivalent of you walking up silently behind him and giving

5:38

him a soft little shoulder rub for about 10 seconds.

5:40

You know what I'm saying? It's like, that's a little

5:42

too intimate. Yeah, I got you, buddy. You know I

5:44

got you, buddy. I always got you. Yeah. And if

5:47

it was like, hey, if it's

5:49

a little too much. Could

5:51

you connect me with that counselor you've been

5:54

going to? At that point in the thanks,

5:56

I give the heart, right? Because that's like,

5:58

oh, this is someone who's. Pulling for you, buddy. You'll

6:01

get through this. I love you. But

6:03

the pool guy doesn't feel heart worthy, but certainly not a

6:05

thumbs up. And so I just

6:07

left the thanks and exclamation point hanging out

6:09

there. But... Oh, it's not sounding how

6:11

people feel about my text because I don't think about

6:13

any of this. Really? I

6:17

pretty much give the same, you're going to

6:19

get a heart or an exclamation point for

6:21

me. I use the

6:23

exclamation point a lot, which is what I ended

6:25

up using for Derek. Has anyone wanted

6:27

to know? Exclamation point is

6:29

just, it's my catch off. It's

6:32

like, I don't know what to do. So I just boop, boop. And

6:34

nobody knew interpretation. I think they need a fist

6:37

bump. I think a fist bump would be good.

6:40

Like thanks, bro. Bah. You

6:42

know? Like in our in office chat,

6:44

we can emoji react to messages and stuff. So

6:46

if like another staffer, like

6:48

shared good news or like this is

6:50

encouraging or whatever, it's like you

6:52

kind of want to heart it, but then it's like a

6:54

red heart is going to... So I do the white

6:56

heart, the clear heart. It's like, oh, so that that feels

6:59

not romantic. It's just like, oh, I love that. I'm so

7:01

glad. You know, kind of like. I like

7:03

using the salute. I always use

7:05

a salute, emotion, emotionally as possible.

7:07

She literally... I don't like the

7:09

salute emotion. No, she, it's funny,

7:11

except when Emily uses it, she's

7:13

like sarcastically deferring to your

7:15

authority or something. It's like, yes, sir. Oh,

7:18

I will do that for you. It's like,

7:20

stop Emily. It's

7:22

a lot of pressure behind these emojis.

7:25

Just use the same three. People

7:28

know you're going to get the same three from me, bro.

7:31

You know what I get a lot in the office chat is when

7:33

we're kind of like, all right, that's what we'll do. It's

7:35

the, you know, the arm. The arm, the

7:38

bicep. Yes. Let's do

7:40

that. We got this. Yeah. Yes.

7:43

A strong effort here. I don't think I've ever used that one,

7:45

but that... Well, it's because in our Google

7:47

chat that we use, the arm, strong arm

7:49

is some, for some reason a robot arm.

7:52

It's not like the human arm that Apple

7:54

has. So it's weird that I'm

7:56

throwing like this weird robot. It's

7:58

like this mechanical. piece of metal. It's

8:00

really strange. I don't get why they don't have to

8:03

do have the real like a real arm. Do

8:05

they? I type in arm and the robot

8:07

arm comes up. Anyway, doesn't matter. Try bicep.

8:12

Well, we have a great show in store for

8:14

you today. Coming up later, we talked to

8:16

Caleb Hearn. He's an indie folk pop artist

8:18

that has blown up on TikTok. You don't

8:20

want to miss that. At the end of

8:22

the show, we have your feedback or you

8:24

tell us your craziest summer vacation stories. But

8:27

stay tuned right now. Up next, it's Relevant

8:29

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culture this week, Emily. Okay,

9:43

so last week we talked about Netflix's

9:45

new documentary, Dancing with the Devil. If you haven't

9:47

seen it, it's the one about those TikTok dancers

9:49

who joined a church and a management

9:51

company that's led by this really charismatic

9:53

pastor who basically runs his church like

9:55

a cult. Oh, that's what this is

9:57

about? Yeah, Derek, you haven't seen it?

10:00

Oh, I might have to watch it. No, that's crazy.

10:02

Oh, you have to. You need to watch it. Kev

10:04

on stage was tweeting about it when it came out.

10:06

He was like, he and

10:10

I watched it before it became a story. We watched

10:12

it the day it came out just because it's the

10:14

new three part documentary or

10:16

whatever. And he was like, ah, it's a

10:18

cult documentary. So he said, I went into

10:20

it assuming there was no black people,

10:22

because black people are doing cults. Oh, yeah, I saw

10:24

that one. And he

10:26

goes, I was wrong. It's full

10:28

of black people. And it's because

10:31

it's targeting this like young, cool

10:33

influencers in LA and drawing

10:35

them into this Bible study slash church,

10:37

which, you know, some say turns into a

10:39

cult. It's wild. You need

10:41

to watch it. I'm not for cults

10:43

or manipulation or abuse. I need to

10:46

qualify what I'm about to say with

10:48

that. I just did the arm

10:50

emoji. Yes, we stand with that statement. I probably should

10:52

just end what I'm about to say there. I'm

10:55

already exhumated. But I feel like there's

10:57

a lot of cults. There's like, you

10:59

know, religious cults and there's like political

11:01

cults and there's like survivalist cults. Dance

11:04

cult. If I'm going to be in a cult dance

11:06

cult sounds pretty cool. Again, I haven't seen the series.

11:09

I'm just saying if I were to rank cults,

11:12

I'd want to be involved with. Okay.

11:14

It wasn't a dance. It

11:16

was these do

11:19

you agree with me real

11:22

quick? Yeah. Dance cult

11:24

sounds pretty fun. I'm doing

11:26

survivalist religious, political. Yeah. You

11:29

know, some sort of yoga thing. I see those.

11:31

They've seen a lot of movies about those that

11:33

go, you know, sideways

11:35

dance. Dance seems pretty good.

11:38

I mean, the meetings would be fire. I mean,

11:40

it'd be great, right? This is one big party.

11:42

But no, it's actually

11:44

real. If I had an ED, if I was

11:47

an EDM artist, it would be called dance cult.

11:49

That'd be pretty cool. I don't

11:51

know about this because I saw this

11:53

one girl. It was a little young

11:56

Hispanic girl. It was in Spanish. I

11:58

was watching a YouTube. talking about how

12:01

she died and she went to hell

12:03

for like five minutes and she saw

12:05

the devil was making it. She saw

12:07

Michael Jackson in hell and

12:10

the devil was making everybody in hell

12:12

moonwalk. So dance cult is

12:14

probably not the way to go because you

12:16

don't want to be, you know what I'm

12:18

saying? Again, this is a logic dance call.

12:20

This is a, okay. And I have to

12:22

apologize because there's people suing people right now.

12:24

So I do not want to get sued

12:26

by calling this church a cult. I

12:28

qualified it. I qualified with what

12:30

I'm saying. So what this church

12:32

may not be a dance cult,

12:34

but if you get in a

12:36

dance cult, you are in

12:39

danger of going to hell with

12:42

Michael Jackson and moonwalking

12:44

for an eternity. If I end up in a dance

12:46

call, I'm not going to end

12:48

up on some compound like we're to showdown

12:50

with the FBI or something. You know what

12:52

I mean? Like this sounds pretty fun. Anyway,

12:54

continue. You're not going to shoot at the

12:56

FBI. You're in a battle dance. It's a

12:58

totally different thing. Yeah. So no,

13:00

it was, is Omarion in the

13:03

film? Oh my

13:05

God. COVID 2020, Tik TOK

13:07

dancing, whatever exploding in viewership

13:10

and brand deals coming in all this stuff. So

13:12

there's these kids, there's a scene out in LA.

13:15

They're doing dance videos. It's you've

13:18

seen them. You've seen them all. It's

13:20

kind of like Twitch from the Ellen show. He

13:22

was in that kind of crew. And like, there's

13:24

all these dancers and stuff. Anyway, there's this, you

13:27

know, minister out in LA, uh, Shekinah

13:30

church, and he did a Bible study and

13:33

one of the guys started going, got on

13:35

fire for the Lord and started inviting his

13:37

friends to come. And it became this thing

13:39

that a lot of these dancers started going

13:41

to his Bible study, which then became, you

13:43

know, church meetings and stuff like that. This,

13:46

so, so the fact that they got involved was kind

13:48

of organic. It was like friends inviting friends, sort of

13:50

a thing. Once they got

13:52

involved, the story goes deeply

13:55

sideways. And that's what the, the,

13:57

the documentary kind of uncovers. like

32:00

the arc is pretty similar, right?

32:02

Like there's an artist who's talented

32:04

and they have to overcome some

32:06

sort of thing from their youth

32:08

to propel them to success. You

32:11

know, straight

32:13

out of Compton or Bohemian Rhapsody or

32:15

Walk the Line, you know what I

32:17

mean? There's this, the arc is sort

32:19

of overcoming either your circumstances or something

32:21

that's happened. Pharrell has kind

32:23

of had a charmed, like, you

32:25

know what I'm saying? There isn't

32:27

this big kind of adversity. He's

32:29

always been this creative that has

32:32

kind of, since he was in

32:34

high school, right? Instead, I

32:36

think that taking the story and making

32:38

it fun and making it

32:40

and kind of putting it into this

32:42

creative medium like Legos is perfect for

32:44

an artist like him who, you

32:47

know, like you ever heard the expression, sometimes

32:50

the arrow draws the bow? He's

32:52

one of those guys that lets it come to

32:54

him and he knows how to kind of move

32:57

in the waves of culture in really interesting ways

32:59

that I feel like a conventional biopic, it would

33:01

be hard for them to do it. But in

33:03

like the colorful world of like Lego and kind

33:05

of fantasy, I feel like that's a cool medium

33:08

for a guy like him, you know? Yeah.

33:11

And it's apparently a Christian

33:14

movie. So, Unsung Hero, Pharrell

33:17

movie. It's a big year for Christian movies all of a

33:19

sudden. Chosen. Yeah, it'll be out in October,

33:21

by the way, October 11th. We'll go see

33:24

it. I like it. That'll do it for

33:26

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33:33

right, stay tuned. Up next, it's Caleb Hearn.

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35:19

who's blown up on TikTok over the last

35:22

couple of years with songs like Always Be

35:24

and Brown Eyes Brown Hair. He's

35:26

releasing his debut album a little later this

35:28

year. So we want to sit down

35:30

with him to hear more about his unexpected journey and how

35:32

his faith in God has played a major role in his

35:34

career. Here's our conversation

35:37

with Caleb Hearn. You

36:00

know, I would really love to hear sort

36:02

of your origin

36:04

story. When

36:08

did you start making music and what made you want

36:10

to pursue a career? Yeah,

36:12

um, it's a, it's a

36:15

interesting question because it's kind of like,

36:17

one of those things where I started

36:19

and then I kind of put it down and got

36:21

back into it and that kind of thing. So

36:24

I started making music, technically, not

36:26

professionally or releasing music or anything,

36:28

just like really started writing songs

36:31

when I was like 12, 11

36:33

or 12, when I got a guitar for Christmas. And

36:36

it was during the whole Taylor Swift and

36:38

Sheeran era and which I

36:40

guess you could say they're both

36:42

still in the same era, nothing's changed. But

36:46

for me, it was just like looking up to

36:48

these singer songwriters and learning how to be, how

36:51

to tell a story with music and I

36:53

really enjoyed it. So I

36:56

did that for, I just,

36:58

you know, as a therapy kind of thing for a

37:00

few years. And

37:02

then when I went into high school, I played, started

37:04

playing sports. So I kind of went away from it

37:06

a little bit and I met my

37:10

roommate now. He actually moved to Nashville with

37:12

me, but I met him in high school

37:15

and he was

37:17

interested in music as well. And we were like,

37:19

well, like if there's somebody else that's doing it,

37:21

maybe that's a sign, you know? Because I'm from

37:24

a small town and it just was not a

37:26

thing to make music or write or

37:28

anything like that. So we would

37:30

just do it after basketball practice actually, and

37:32

just write songs, stay up late and

37:34

that kind of thing. And we

37:36

eventually moved to Nashville a couple

37:39

years after, or a

37:42

year, a year or so after COVID.

37:44

And during COVID is kind of when I

37:46

started releasing music and

37:49

just seeing what I could throw out there and trying

37:52

to get better and that kind of thing. And

37:54

then we kind of made the jump a

37:57

year after that, moved to Nashville. And

38:00

yeah, never since I've just been kind of writing

38:02

music and signed to a

38:05

record label about

38:07

two years ago, right when I moved to

38:09

Nashville. And yeah, it's been it's just been

38:11

like a slow grind from

38:13

there, you know. I

38:15

need you like, I

38:17

need you like water,

38:20

a man in the desert.

38:24

I need you like, a

38:26

child needs to follow, you

38:30

hold me together like. It

38:33

is really cool for me to see how many artists

38:35

moved to Nashville these days. Do you feel like the

38:37

move's been worth it? Like, have you changed or grown

38:39

a lot since moving here? Yeah,

38:42

I think the number one, like,

38:45

I guess the number one thing that

38:47

I noticed in growing was

38:49

you know, I was I was in North Carolina doing

38:51

this. I was doing it

38:53

full time just by myself and like working over

38:55

Zoom with people taking trips to LA, that kind

38:58

of thing. And it was really great. I think

39:00

the number one thing I learned though was when

39:02

I moved to Nashville, how many people were

39:05

doing this and how many people were really

39:07

good at doing this. And I

39:10

think that was an eye opening thing. And I think it really

39:13

kind of really kind of hurt

39:15

me in the beginning. I think it like I let it get

39:17

to my head a little bit and I

39:20

struggled for a bit. But I think the

39:22

part of the growth there was learning that,

39:24

you know, I can I

39:27

don't this isn't always

39:29

a competition in me trying to be

39:31

better than the person beside me or whatever I can. That's

39:34

the great thing about Nashville too is just like

39:36

it seems like everyone wants to kind of grow

39:38

up, grow together. And it's not very

39:41

it's not a very like, oh, I have this and

39:43

you don't. It feels

39:46

like people genuinely want to see you succeed. So

39:50

surrounding myself with people that are

39:52

working maybe harder than

39:54

me at that time, it kind

39:56

of motivated me to say, OK,

39:59

you know, like. he's working this hard

40:01

or she's working this hard and I I

40:03

need to be doing that because I Care

40:06

about it just as much and I you know want

40:08

to put myself in that same position So seeing

40:11

people succeed around me was a big

40:13

growth Growing

40:16

point in my life just because I was Constantly

40:19

watching people around me grow and

40:22

it kind of you either you either Stop

40:25

what you're doing and go do something else or you

40:27

grow with them And so I had to

40:29

make that choice and I think that was a really really cool

40:31

moment You

40:47

know, I've noticed that you can get pretty

40:49

vulnerable in your music have you always been

40:51

so introspective and you know emotional Yeah,

40:54

that's a really good question, so I'll go

40:56

back to you there and say

40:58

best question I've heard in a while Yeah,

41:03

but no that's Yeah,

41:05

I I think that I've always been I mean

41:08

my parents will even say like I've

41:11

always been the kid that Is

41:14

a little more emotional, you know, like the

41:16

front how they give off or whatever when

41:18

I meet someone They might not think like

41:20

I'm just an open book and an emotional

41:23

person Just because I was

41:25

not really raised that way, but

41:28

there's always been a just

41:30

a part of me that really

41:32

really Wants to be as

41:35

genuine as I can be and I that

41:37

does kind of start back to even

41:39

when I was a kid you know just wanting to wanting

41:43

to know the real side of people and Because

41:46

I think a lot of people just not that

41:49

it's a bad thing I think everyone's just wired differently

41:51

But I think that a lot of people are just

41:53

you know completely fine with

41:55

just meeting someone and whenever

41:57

they give off is enough, you know, And for

42:00

me, it was always like when I met someone,

42:02

I always felt kind of empty if

42:04

I didn't get all

42:06

sides of them. And I wanted to bring that

42:08

out because I wanted to bring that out myself.

42:11

And I would only feel comfortable doing

42:13

so if they did. So

42:17

that was always like a thing growing up,

42:19

like my closest friends to this day are

42:21

the ones that, I was able

42:23

to drag that out of them

42:25

and learn everything about them and really know them.

42:28

And I think that kind of goes along with like the

42:30

music now too, with just being

42:33

honest and vulnerable. I want to be as

42:36

straight up to people as I can. I mean,

42:39

I find myself sometimes opening up to people I

42:41

just met and I'm like,

42:43

what am I doing? But I'm doing it. And

42:46

it's just a part of me. I don't know. Like, I think it

42:48

can be, I think it

42:50

definitely can be like a downfall, but

42:53

it also is really, really nice because

42:56

obviously you kind of give away sometimes too much

42:58

off the bat. And it's like, oh, well, they

43:00

know everything about me. But I

43:03

would rather it be that way than being kind

43:06

of closed off and

43:08

not really sharing because I feel like the

43:10

connections that you make with people are

43:13

just so much deeper when that's your

43:15

thing. And yeah,

43:17

with music, I feel that

43:19

same way with like the music I'm putting

43:21

out, I develop a more personal and real

43:25

connection with just fans and listeners and

43:27

that kind of thing too, just from like going to shows

43:29

and people coming up to me and telling me about this

43:32

song that I wrote that means this to

43:34

them. And like, that's what makes it all

43:36

worth it because I would much rather have

43:39

that, have one person do

43:41

that than 100 people just

43:43

being like, oh yeah, like, you know, I

43:45

like your jam, you know, or I like

43:47

the music, you know. But it's just that

43:49

personal like, wow, you know, this song or

43:52

this lyric really touched me

43:54

and I relate to

43:56

that. And then this long conversation stemmed

43:58

from that. It's really, it's definitely

44:00

always been a part

44:03

of me for sure. I think I'm

44:05

gonna love you. I think I'm gonna

44:07

bring you home. And

44:10

I think every little moment will

44:12

lead us right where we should

44:14

go. I think we're gonna

44:16

learn how forever's

44:19

gonna feel. I know

44:21

you can't make every

44:23

wish come true. You

44:26

also been pretty outspoken about your faith, both in

44:28

your music and on social media. What

44:30

role does your faith play in your music

44:32

and career? Of course,

44:34

yeah, I love that question. Yes,

44:37

I am. I am a Christian. I

44:39

was raised Baptist

44:42

and I don't necessarily love

44:44

putting a label on it anymore. I

44:46

just because of, you know, it's, you

44:49

know, you get it. It's

44:51

yeah, I think the best way to

44:53

describe it is I have a,

44:56

my relationship with Jesus is very

44:58

important and I, you

45:01

know, whether or not I necessarily come out and

45:04

say that blatantly in my music or not,

45:08

I don't know if I ever will. I don't know. I

45:10

might. I've thought about it, but I do

45:12

feel like I just

45:15

want my life and my journey to

45:17

display that, you know, as much as

45:19

I can. So whether that's in the

45:21

lyrics and the music, I

45:23

do try my best

45:26

to kind of keep that. I

45:29

guess you could say like image in

45:32

my music, whether or not I'm saying it

45:34

blatantly. I think it's very, it's one of

45:36

the, it's the most important thing, not one

45:39

of the most important thing in my life.

45:41

And yeah, I,

45:44

I think with my mental health too, they kind of go hand

45:46

in hand. Like that's a big, big

45:50

thing that's helped me in my own

45:52

mental health is my faith and my

45:54

relationship with God. And yeah, it's been,

45:56

it's been amazing. I love, I love

45:58

talking about it. Really glad

46:00

you asked that question. It's really cool. That

46:16

was Caleb Hearn. Make sure to check out his

46:18

new singles. I think he's got like four new ones

46:20

out on Spotify. They are wherever

46:22

you listen to your music. All right, stay

46:24

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luck, babe. That's what people say when they break up. Yeah.

48:00

All right, it's time for your feedback.

48:02

Last week we asked you, it's summer

48:05

vacation, stuff like that. I forget what story we were talking

48:08

about that brought this up. Oh, Jesse's

48:10

entire cruise. That's right.

48:12

Oh yeah, Jesse's cruise. There you go. What

48:14

is your most memorable or craziest summer vacation

48:17

experience? You guys hit us up on X

48:19

at relevant podcasts. Some of you DMed us

48:21

longer stories. And here's a few of our

48:23

favorites. Hayden said

48:25

halfway through our Italy trip, we were notified

48:27

that instead of asking for the check at

48:29

the end of the meal, we had been

48:31

very politely asking for our waiter to sing.

48:33

My only problem with this suite is that

48:36

sounds like the beginning of the story, not

48:38

the entire story. Like what did the waiter

48:40

sing? So

48:42

if they were doing the little international

48:44

check symbol hand motion and then they

48:46

leave that. No, I think they

48:49

were asking in Italian or they thought they were asking

48:51

in Italian for the track, but they were saying, can

48:53

you sing? Please.

48:55

Where our waiter's like, all right, here

48:57

we go. I guess I got worked

49:00

for a tip. Yeah. All right. That's

49:03

pretty funny. Every time you ask for a check,

49:05

he just starts busting out in song. You're just

49:07

like, we just want to pay and leave. Sing

49:09

please. Yeah. Yeah. And they're handing them money. You

49:11

know what I mean? Like, when the

49:17

moon is true, it's Italy. So

49:19

obviously that's the only song they

49:21

sing at dinner there. Italy says,

49:23

I'm from the US and anyone in the

49:25

US knows that McDonald's ice machine, ice cream

49:28

machine is always down. It's comical

49:30

because it's like that all over the US.

49:32

Well, she goes to Bangkok, her

49:35

and another American friend and they said, man,

49:37

well, let's check out these McDonald's chains and

49:40

they get some great food, but they ordered

49:42

an ice cream. And guess what? The

49:44

machine is down. Honestly,

49:47

that's kind of beautiful that like worldwide,

49:49

no matter where you go, you can never get, who

49:52

was the last person to get McDonald's ice cream? Like, has anyone

49:54

gotten it in the last five years? Okay. First of

49:56

all, you can go to

49:59

mcmbroken.com. and there

50:01

is a live interactive map of your area, that you

50:03

can search your area and see if the ice cream

50:05

machine is down or not. In most

50:07

major metro areas, it's about 10 to 15% of

50:10

the McDonald's that have it down. But

50:12

you can check. That feels low. You

50:14

can check your area, go to mcbroken.com. I'm looking

50:16

right now. I point this out. Nashville doesn't look

50:19

like there's a lot of them here. Yeah,

50:21

in Orlando, I'm looking at 90% are up

50:23

right now. There's a few that are down.

50:26

You know why it's down all the time

50:28

though. We've talked about this. It's because they

50:30

signed a contract with the vending machine or

50:32

the supplier that

50:34

they cannot service the machines except

50:37

this company that they bought it from

50:39

can service it. So if it goes down, they're at

50:41

the mercy of

50:44

that company to come out and fix it. And

50:46

apparently they're just terrible customer service. They can't just

50:48

have a local guy fix it

50:50

or a staff member just reset

50:52

this or whatever. Like contractually, the

50:54

union rules or whatever, only

50:57

a service person from this one

50:59

company can come and fix it. That's why it takes

51:01

forever. The one by my house is working. I might

51:03

go get me some ice cream after this is over

51:05

with. See, the one by my house is working. Maybe

51:07

you can get some for your kid who burned down,

51:09

that almost burned down the house. No, he doesn't get

51:11

anything. He may not

51:14

be able to stay here when

51:16

I get off. He

51:19

may be coming to stay with Cameron for the

51:21

rest of the summer. Hey, bring him. I'll welcome

51:23

him gladly. I'll just unplug the

51:25

microwave when I'm in the other

51:27

part of the house. It's all good. I can't

51:30

mess with it. He's like, your microwave doesn't

51:32

work. It's like, yeah, I know it doesn't work for you. I

51:35

do want to talk about John Paul. He was in Brazil and he

51:37

went to a church that was called,

51:39

I'm not even gonna pretend to say this, but he thought

51:41

it was just a normal church, right? And it says it

51:43

had a giant dove on the front. He

51:45

goes in, 30 minutes later, after having two

51:49

exorcisms because I didn't speak Portuguese and was

51:51

too polite to shove the pastors during a

51:53

church service, I stepped around the person trying

51:55

to block the door and ran down some

51:57

dicey Brazilian road alone at night. That

52:00

is crazy. That's terrifying. That's

52:03

not good. I ain't gonna lie, that's

52:05

terrifying. Dang, Obi, I'm sorry, bro. That

52:07

one would stick with me for a

52:10

while. I'm sorry, Obi.

52:12

Yeah. Well,

52:14

there's a lot more where that came from. I mean, like

52:16

a lot more. So if you wanna check him out, well,

52:18

you can't get into our DMs, but you can go see

52:20

the replies over at Relm Podcast. Okay,

52:22

it's time for this week's Editorial

52:25

Question of the Week. Well,

52:28

we were talking earlier about Derek's near-death

52:31

experience, sorry, man. At

52:33

the hands of his child, too. The fact that the

52:36

internet is the thing that contacted you that your house

52:38

was on fire is the thing that's troubling to me.

52:40

It's like, wow. A little dystopian. Satellites

52:43

were involved at what's happened this morning.

52:45

Bruh. We wanna know, and

52:47

we've told a lot of these stories over the years

52:49

on this show, but like Jesse and

52:51

I have also had a lot of near

52:54

tragedies as kids, just trying to do stuff

52:56

on our own and not asking for help,

52:58

and then we find ourselves a little in

53:00

over our heads. We wanna know what is

53:02

something you did as a kid that

53:06

maybe went a little more sideways

53:08

than you had planned, like almost burning your

53:10

family's house down when you just wanted some

53:13

fish sticks. Hit us up

53:15

on Twitter or x at Relm Podcast or

53:17

wherever you see us post this question. Tell

53:19

us the times that you were, time you

53:21

were a kid that you had

53:24

a near tragedy. We don't want any sad stories. We

53:27

want near tragedies. Yeah. Not actually

53:29

that something horrible happened. Anyway,

53:32

hit us up. We'll read our favorites on next week's show. Well,

53:34

before we wrap up, I wanna thank Caleb Hearn

53:36

for joining us. Make sure to go check out

53:39

his new music wherever you get your music. It's

53:41

obviously on TikTok and stuff, but it's on Spotify

53:43

and everything else. And keep your eye out for

53:45

his debut solo album coming out a little later

53:47

this year. Also, keep

53:50

your eye out for something else we might be doing

53:52

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53:55

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53:57

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54:32

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54:34

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