0:05

This is the relevant

0:09

podcast.

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It's episode 1177 and

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it's the relevant podcast here in Orlando. I'm your

0:24

host, Cameron Strang, and joining me from Loverland, Virginia

0:26

is Jesse Carey. Hello. From

0:29

Nashville, our managing editor, downtown Emily Brown.

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Hey, y'all. And from LA,

0:33

you know from Social Club Misfits, it's Marty. Pleased

0:36

to make your acquaintance. Oh,

0:39

no. Debut solo artist,

0:41

Mr. Flop-era himself. Sign it, man.

0:43

Very pumped about it. Yeah, man.

0:46

How's the reaction been out in the wild?

0:49

Pretty, pretty bad. Out the gate. Terrible

0:51

reviews. But, you know,

0:53

we're going to keep moving forward. Thank you,

0:55

Jesus. I think the best review

0:58

that I saw, first of all, we

1:00

didn't establish it. Marty just released

1:02

his solo debut album and it's

1:05

called the Flop-era Volume 1. Flop-era,

1:07

yeah. It's fantastic. It's great. It's

1:09

really great. Yeah, man. I affirm that.

1:12

But I did see a comment that Marty, you also saw because

1:14

you put it in the group chat, but I saw it before

1:16

you did. And the

1:18

person said, why can't you just go

1:20

back to rapping with NF? Yeah,

1:23

yeah, that was a bad one. There was

1:25

another one that I got that was really, really

1:27

bad where it was like this paragraph where a

1:29

guy goes, it was

1:31

something like, it amazes me how much

1:33

bullying happens in the comments sometimes, but

1:35

I think you deserve it. It was

1:37

something like that. Oh, my goodness. It

1:39

was something like that. It was

1:41

one of my boys trolling me, but people were like, oh,

1:43

that's so mean. That was one of the funniest things I've

1:45

ever seen. Marty, are you the

1:48

type where comments affect you? Not

1:50

at all. Not at all. I'm

1:53

in the same boat. I have

1:56

hard call. It's pure amusement for me

1:58

at this point. You know, but here's

2:00

the comment. Here's the comment read it

2:03

I watched a few videos and I know social media

2:05

can be cruel and some people say some really mean

2:07

things But after going through a couple

2:09

of your videos, I could say this guy really deserves

2:11

it You

2:13

said that was your friend But

2:16

it's just like the element of like bad stuff I

2:18

just think it's like the fact everyone likes to troll

2:20

me like this album sucks But it's like I don't

2:22

know what guys are so mean to each other It's

2:24

just like an odd thing where like guys are just

2:27

really rude and evil to me like you suck I

2:29

love you, bro. Like I love you, but you suck

2:31

like it's just like in a way though You kind

2:33

of set yourself up for this because you did call

2:35

it your flop era So it's like it's

2:37

almost I don't want to say self-fulfilling prophecy

2:40

But yeah, maybe in hindsight next one can

2:42

be like you're winning era, you know To

2:47

coming out Emily

2:50

do you not know his self-deprecating humor? He thinks

2:52

it's funny It's

2:54

a millennial thing And and I do

2:56

think maybe there Emily there is like a

2:58

gender thing to it I think a lot

3:00

of guys are just incapable of saying nice

3:03

things to other guys. It's not it's like

3:05

I think I've mentioned one of my favorite

3:07

lines and always sunny is when Dennis and

3:09

Mac go out for a fancy roommate dinner

3:11

to celebrate their anniversary of being roommates and

3:13

they're bickering as usual And

3:16

Mac says that to Dennis like can

3:18

you just say one nice thing about

3:20

me? Just one nice thing? That's all

3:22

you say is negative and Dennis looks

3:24

at me goes fine your

3:26

hair looks very small

3:32

Thank you There

3:35

are a lot of guys like that Yeah,

3:38

all right. Well, we have a great show in store for you

3:40

today coming up. We talked to Holvy. He's got a new project

3:42

out Yeah, you don't

3:44

miss out at the end of the show. We have Part

3:47

two of your feedback if you listen

3:49

to last week's Friday episode We

3:52

got talking we asked you about like times

3:54

from your childhood where

3:56

you're playing and things went

3:58

crazy or went out of

4:00

control and your parents didn't find out. You

4:03

guys did not disappoint with your stories. And so

4:05

we just halfway through it. We're just like, we

4:07

got to do part two of this and you've

4:09

more have come in. So you

4:12

don't want to miss that. It's hilarious.

4:14

You guys got into a lot of trouble when you're

4:16

kids. All right, but stay tuned right now. Up next.

4:19

It's relevant buzz. You're

4:50

listening to Beach Bunny. The song

4:52

is Vertigo. Okay,

4:55

it's time for relevant. Tell

5:00

us what's happening at the intersection of faith

5:02

and culture this week, Emily. Okay.

5:05

First thing I want to talk about is Robert

5:07

Medue, the pastor of social Dallas, because he had

5:09

a fun surprise cameo in the number two show

5:12

on Netflix this week. You guys care

5:14

to guess what show it was? Love

5:16

is Blind UK. I know what

5:18

it is. Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders docu-series.

5:20

Is it cake? Is it cake?

5:23

Is it cake? Is it cut into Robert Medue?

5:25

No, it's not cake. That's a pastor. She's actually

5:27

Robert Medue. It's a mega church pastor. Give them

5:29

help at her. Love is a spectrum. Love

5:31

on the spectrum. Is it that one? I wish it

5:33

was all of those shows. No, Cameron

5:36

was right. It is the docu-series

5:38

about the Dallas Cowboys cheerleader. It's called

5:40

America's Sweethearts. The

5:42

show follows the squad from like the audition process

5:45

all the way through the NFL. There

5:47

used to be a show called I think Making the

5:49

Team that was on like CMT about this. This

5:52

one is so much better if you watch that show

5:54

or if you didn't. This one you really

5:56

get to like know the girls and see

5:58

more of like their personal stories like where they they've come

6:00

from, why they want to be a Dallas Cowboy trailer, things

6:02

like that. But this is

6:04

where Robert Medew comes in because several of the girls are

6:07

really outspoken Christians and a lot of them

6:09

attend Social Dallas. So in

6:12

the fourth episode, Robert and his wife Taylor

6:14

are actually talking to some of the girls before a

6:16

service just about how they came to church, why they're

6:18

there, kind of what their purpose

6:20

is and stuff. And so we actually want to play that clip

6:22

of them talking here. So how

6:25

did y'all first hear about Social Star coming? Oh my

6:27

goodness. My first time, a veteran,

6:29

I was a rookie at the time back in 2021. I

6:32

gained my first service in October 2021

6:34

and I never have gotten so emotional

6:36

at a church and just like felt

6:39

accepted. And I've been coming ever

6:41

since. Amazing. Yes, I found social

6:43

through DCC. So you

6:45

found community here, found family, found... I

6:48

moved here 2020 during the pandemic.

6:50

It was August. I didn't know a

6:52

soul in Texas. I made the team.

6:54

I had two weeks to move here. Wow.

6:57

Gave up college and just was like, okay,

6:59

here I am. Now what? Signed

7:02

at least to an apartment I'd never seen and

7:04

was like, we're doing this thing. Yeah. So

7:07

here I am four years later. Yeah. Now

7:10

like, no. Yeah. Yeah. He's

7:12

like, now what I do with my life, you

7:14

know, giving it to God. I

7:17

don't need to know yet. Maybe

7:23

you don't need another sermon. Maybe you don't need

7:25

another song. Maybe you don't need

7:27

another podcast. Maybe you need a

7:30

vision. A

7:34

vision for your life. A

7:36

vision that is bigger than you. And

7:38

then after this conversation, the show

7:41

uses a clip of Robert Sermon from

7:43

their Vision Sunday service. And the whole

7:45

message is that God loves Dallas, right?

7:48

He even makes a joke specifically that God

7:50

loves Dallas Cowboys, which if you are in

7:52

the Dallas area, you've heard that message before. But

7:55

he talks about having. That is very disputable,

7:57

by the way. But one. by

8:00

the behavior of their owner. I

8:03

don't know if that honoring and to by

8:06

the playoff record, which does not

8:08

show favoritism. I

8:11

think they've won one point. I think God loves the

8:13

Texans a little bit more. I don't know. Watch. Watch

8:15

the replay of Tony Romo handling

8:17

an extra point kick and fumbling their one

8:19

chance for a playoff win about 10 years

8:22

ago. And you tell me that God loves

8:24

this team. Jesse, are you prepared for the

8:26

entirety of the Dallas Cowboys fandom to This

8:29

is right now. No, because

8:33

I don't care about negative comments. And to

8:35

their like, no, this is everything he's saying

8:37

is absolutely true. There's not one cowboy fan

8:39

that's like, no, we have we are cursed.

8:41

We cannot win in the playoffs. Bring

8:44

it, Dallas fans. The

8:47

what's crazy about this docu-series, I watch a lot of

8:49

doctors. Here's I watch all the, you

8:51

know, Formula One, the golfing one, like

8:53

all these sports I don't actually care

8:55

about, but these human interest. Yeah, things

8:57

are super good. This this docu-series was

9:00

interesting because it was dripping with Jesus.

9:02

It was. Yeah. Yeah. It was an

9:04

interesting portrayal of I

9:06

would say, honestly, it's probably the

9:08

most positive portrayal

9:11

of normal Christians on

9:13

mainstream television. Wow. Because

9:16

they didn't make the Christians weird. Yeah.

9:18

I mean, literally, they're just showing their Bible studies.

9:21

They're following the church. They're talking about their faith,

9:23

how it affects their relationships and getting through like

9:25

all these things and like their dreams, their purpose.

9:27

Like I'm just going like, what?

9:31

It's crazy. Jesus is all over this docu-series.

9:33

It's really interesting. Yeah, it is

9:35

really cool, too, because I mean, you know, a

9:37

few weeks ago, we were just talking about the

9:39

other Netflix documentary, talking about weird church dance cults.

9:42

And obviously that was like, you know,

9:44

an extreme. And so like the fact, like you said, like this

9:46

is just this is the Christianity that is

9:48

more normal to us and that like we see in

9:50

our own lives. And so, yeah, I don't know. It

9:52

was really refreshing to kind of see that. Yeah. Like

9:54

you said, on TV. I

9:57

ironically, the other I feel like

9:59

relatively. genuine portrayal of, you know,

10:02

kind of at least a Christian

10:04

experience was in quarterbacks too, and Kirk Cousins,

10:07

like, you see him like saying, you know,

10:09

prayers with his kids before, you know, they

10:11

go to bed at night and, you know,

10:13

what sort of like a

10:15

natural part of his life, at least

10:18

as his portrayed that that faith played

10:20

ironically, also sort of in the NFL

10:22

universes of Netflix docu-series.

10:26

Also, just before warned, if you choose to tune

10:28

into that one, it follows other

10:30

quarterbacks and there is more

10:32

profanity. You will hear more

10:34

profanity in this docu-series than in any

10:37

R-rated film ever made. Wow. Quite a

10:39

bit. A lot of locker room talk.

10:42

But I will say this, a lot of locker

10:44

room scenes. So, you know, kind

10:46

of, you know, that's funny.

10:49

All right. Okay, moving on.

10:51

Congrats to Robert Madu on

10:53

his first cameo on

10:55

Netflix. But now we actually... Is it cake?

10:58

Hopefully the next one is, is it

11:00

cake or... He

11:03

shows up at all the popular, all the

11:05

five of the right sizes. Every single like

11:07

little, he's in the back. Well, I see

11:09

Bridgerton right now. I see dressed up like

11:11

that in the back. Why is he with

11:13

this team of friendly, a friend group

11:16

yoga instructors competing on Floors

11:19

Lava with them? This doesn't, I don't understand, but

11:21

he's on the team. Why is he on the

11:23

glassblowing competition show? I didn't know he could do

11:25

glassblows. Why is he cooking with Bobby Flay? How

11:28

is this? That's a funny, like, ongoing joke. It's

11:30

like, well, Robert Madu is in this as well.

11:32

So, that's great. Robert Madu cinematic universe. We

11:36

should start building it out, like starting

11:38

this like lore of Robert Madu and

11:40

all these things. Goes through Dallas. He

11:42

is the spiritual mentor for it. So,

11:44

I love the barbecue show for sure.

11:46

I do like the idea of just

11:48

like Netflix crossover, like reality show contestants.

11:50

I know they do it. They dabble

11:52

with that, like the dating shows, you

11:54

know? But I do want to see

11:56

like a baker who

11:58

is really good at... at making

12:00

fondant look like natural grain wood,

12:04

compete with no training with something

12:06

dangerous like glassbl I

13:57

feel like he'd be game. I don't know him but

13:59

I feel like he'd be game name. We can figure it

14:01

out. You seem really cool on this cheerleader

14:03

show. Good preacher. Cool guy. He's

14:07

got it going. Unfortunately, though,

14:10

we do have to talk about a different Dallas-based

14:12

pastor named Robert. This is one

14:14

that I really don't want to talk about because it makes me

14:16

sick to my stomach. But we got to talk

14:18

about Robert Morris. For those who don't

14:20

know, he was the pastor at Gateway Church in Dallas, which

14:22

is a massive mega church in

14:24

Dallas. There's about roughly, I think, 100,000 people

14:27

in attendance each week across multiple campuses. It's

14:29

like the ninth biggest church in the nation.

14:32

It's huge. Last

14:35

week, Robert Morris resigned from the

14:37

church just days after allegations

14:39

came out that he had molested a 12-year-old girl in the 1980s.

14:43

But they weren't allegations, right? This

14:45

is confirmed. She's

14:48

never publicly said her age. She's

14:52

bringing out the

14:55

age that she was when it happened.

14:58

Technically, it is an allegation. He hasn't responded. He

15:00

just resigned. He just went away. Let

15:04

me back up and give some context, and then we

15:06

can talk about what's been said and what's been done. Cindy

15:10

Klemenshire, who's now 54, posted

15:12

a blog on the Wartburg Watch on June 14th

15:14

detailing the abuse that she endured when she was

15:16

12 years old and Robert Morris was 21. Robert

15:19

was living with her family at the time. He

15:22

was in ministry. She said the abuse continued for

15:24

years. She details

15:26

a lot of what happened. Again, right now we

15:30

do technically have to say allegation because

15:32

there is an ongoing investigation. But

15:36

Morris initially released a statement acknowledging

15:38

that he did have inappropriate sexual behavior with a

15:40

young lady, but he did not specify the age,

15:42

like we said. He did say

15:44

that when it was brought to light in 1987,

15:46

he repented. He sought counseling, and then he returned

15:49

to ministry after two years with the support of

15:51

Cindy's father. He has

15:53

spoken about this extramarital

15:55

relationship with the young lady, which is what he's always

15:57

said before because the gateway

16:00

elder boards, they said that they knew of it, but

16:02

they were not aware that it was actually abuse of

16:04

a child. And so once these

16:06

new details came to light, like I

16:08

said, within days, they announced that he had resigned.

16:11

And the elders announced that they would be

16:13

hiring a third-party firm to conduct an investigation

16:16

into what happened in the 1980s.

16:18

So that's kind of where we're at now. Wow.

16:21

Have there, we heard about this, we've covered it.

16:24

I mean, like, it's getting dropped from Christian television

16:26

and things like that. What's happening now? Has it

16:28

changed at all? Or is there any updates? So

16:31

now, like I said, there's still an

16:33

investigation going on, but there's also been

16:35

some protests at the church. People who

16:37

have said that there are actually more

16:39

sexual abuse allegations that have happened

16:42

at Gateway, not necessarily with Robert, with

16:44

other spiritual leaders. And so that right

16:46

now it's, again, allegations, but there is

16:48

investigations going on to determine kind

16:51

of just how widespread this abuse is. But

16:53

you know, this is really difficult news to

16:55

process, obviously. I mean, a lot of leaders

16:58

from throughout the church that we really look up to

17:00

have expressed their frustration. And there's one that I think

17:02

really just kind of, I really want to

17:04

highlight, and that's Rick Warren. He wrote on

17:06

Twitter, something that I'm just going to read in full, because

17:09

I think it's, it needs to be heard. He

17:11

said, I'm angry and disgusted to hear Robert

17:13

Morris's sexual abuse of a child and heartbroken

17:15

for Cindy Klemeshire. To sexually use

17:18

a child, a 12-year-old child, then continue it

17:20

for years is not merely an inappropriate relationship.

17:22

It's a crime. Sexual child abuse

17:24

is an evil punishable by law. One can't

17:27

just confess when caught and move on with

17:29

no consequences. For the integrity of Christ's body,

17:31

God insists expel the wicked person out of

17:33

your church. Perpetrators are

17:35

to be publicly fired, not allowed to

17:37

resign. Child abuse still enrages Jesus and

17:39

until the church realizes the soul destroying

17:41

trauma of sexual abuse, the pattern will

17:43

continue. Yeah. Wow. Rick,

17:46

what caught our eye about that quote

17:48

from Rick is that he is grandpa

17:52

mentor. He's a uniter, not a divider. He's,

17:54

no, he speaks out against justice. He speaks

17:56

out of injustice. I mean, he's, he's a,

17:58

he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a,

18:00

he's a, he's a, He fights where we

18:02

need to fight. But normally, I mean, I

18:04

can't recall him being so pointed with criticism

18:06

of a faith leader,

18:08

you know, another Christian leader. So, I mean, I

18:11

was bold. And frankly, I don't see a

18:14

lot of Christian leaders. I've never heard that

18:16

before from a Christian leader. Yeah. Like talking

18:18

about like, this is criminal. And like, this

18:20

isn't enough. Well, yeah, this is clearly warranted

18:22

here. You know what I mean? Like, you

18:25

know, again, it's not just some

18:29

sort of moral failing. This is

18:31

criminal behavior, you know, of, you

18:34

know, I think the worst degree.

18:37

Right. Agreed. Right. So,

18:40

like I said, we're keeping our eye on

18:42

it and just making sure that, you know,

18:44

we'll keep you updated. Okay, but

18:46

moving on, last thing I want to talk about is a

18:48

new study from the Church of England. So,

18:51

they did a review on the trust

18:53

and trustworthiness within the Church of England

18:55

to explore really just how to repair

18:57

and preserve trust in the church, you

18:59

know, the organizations and structures, because

19:02

they've definitely found that distrust is pretty pervasive in

19:04

the church. You know, there's, like

19:06

we just mentioned with Rob Morris, there's been issues

19:08

with sexual abuse and racism in the church. But

19:10

one thing that really caught our eye from this

19:12

review is that there's also been a big, there's

19:15

been a lot of distress because of social

19:17

media use. So, the study found that social

19:19

media is immensely destructive to the trust and

19:21

trustworthiness of the church, essentially because

19:23

people are sharing their thoughts about

19:25

local church leaders online and that's

19:27

having a really big impact on

19:29

how people maybe even outside

19:32

of the church view what's going on. And

19:34

so, it's just causing a lot of distress.

19:37

And I really appreciate that the Church of England,

19:39

like, took the time to really analyze what's going

19:41

on and trying to figure out how they can

19:44

fix this problem because obviously it's a big

19:46

issue. I think this is interesting

19:48

to me because, like, is

19:51

this the problem or is this the symptom

19:53

of a problem? Is it, is like, just

19:56

because people are empowered to, you know,

19:58

more, more efficiently

20:01

express their issues, is

20:03

that the problem or is the problem that they

20:05

have issues that they need to express? You know

20:07

what I mean? Right. Yeah.

20:11

So it's almost like now everybody has a voice, so maybe the

20:13

church can't control the narrative. Maybe it's a good thing. Exactly. Yeah.

20:16

That's my point is like, is it the medium or

20:18

the message here? Right? Like, are

20:21

we blaming, you know, it's

20:23

like the Gutenberg press. It's like,

20:25

well, that's the problem. It's

20:27

like, or that's the reason that this

20:29

message is being spread. It's like, no,

20:31

the message is being spread because there's a

20:34

means to spread it. You know, like, I

20:36

guess, again, without kind of knowing specifically what

20:38

some of these criticisms are, I guess it's

20:40

hard to say, but it

20:42

seems like, again, is this

20:45

the symptom or is this a

20:48

symptom of a larger disease here? The

20:51

study does actually acknowledge, or it sort of

20:53

acknowledges that because, you know, they

20:55

say like this is, they're not necessarily saying

20:57

like you can't critique things or, you know,

20:59

if you do have complaints, like they recognize that

21:01

this is a place to sort of

21:03

air that out. But their argument is social

21:05

media may not necessarily be the best place to

21:08

air out that argument because, you know, say

21:10

I have an issue with my local pastor and

21:13

I just go to Twitter to complain about it and then,

21:15

you know, that tweak, it's viral or whatever.

21:17

Well, I actually haven't had a conversation with that

21:19

pastor. And so again, depending on what my complaint

21:21

is, like maybe I should have gone to my

21:23

pastor first and talked to them about what I'm

21:26

pressured with them about instead of going online. And

21:28

so they're arguing that because

21:30

that's kind of the go-to now is where

21:32

people just make these blanket statements of like,

21:35

well, my pastor is a terrible person because they said

21:37

this one thing on Sunday. It's like that's actually

21:39

causing a lot more harm than the like, even

21:41

if you think you're trying to be constructive

21:43

and, you know, you feel called to call

21:46

this out, whatever, it's things

21:48

are a lot more complex than they often are

21:50

online. Yeah, for sure. And certainly like a, you

21:53

know, biblical model

21:55

for expressing sort of concern. But I

21:58

also think in an. era

22:00

where a lot of like sermons are

22:02

like broadcast online, a lot

22:04

of people feel like, well, if you're putting

22:06

it out there publicly, I feel like I

22:08

could publicly respond. I do think there's some

22:10

nuances to it too, where, you

22:13

know, again, like I'm not saying you should, you

22:15

know, publicly trash people on

22:17

social media, but I do think there

22:20

also is some nuances when it

22:22

comes to expression in the

22:24

era of the internet and social media,

22:27

you know? Yeah, I also

22:29

think like side note, it's how many times

22:31

have you, like for me at least, how

22:33

many times have I attended a church where

22:36

any type of criticism was even welcomed, or

22:39

any type of suggestion was accepted?

22:42

It's very hard to find a

22:44

church that could take it and not take it

22:46

personal. And so, you

22:49

know, I luckily I have men of God in

22:51

my life and churches that I'm connected to where

22:53

a lot of those are, they've

22:56

kind of accepted that, but I've seen in other

22:58

churches where, you know, my first church I ever

23:00

went to, you know, the pastor was having an

23:02

affair and he was cheating on his wife stealing

23:04

money. As soon as he got called out, he

23:07

ended up kicking everybody out in the

23:09

who called him out. And I was a part

23:11

of that group. And so, you know, and church

23:13

ended up falling apart two weeks later and everything

23:15

got exposed. But like, you know, you bring it

23:17

up to a pastor and you hope, but there's

23:19

so much pride that goes into being a pastor

23:22

that it's like, how dare you tell me this? Like

23:24

I'm doing my, you know, I'm doing my best. I

23:26

built this whole church, you know, I take it so

23:28

personal. And it's I yeah, I

23:31

think that we're, I think the church is

23:33

finally get into a place where, you

23:36

know, there's in every other world and

23:38

every other, I

23:40

forgot the word I'm looking for, but in every

23:42

other business model, it's accepted. But

23:44

why is it not accepted in the church? Is it because

23:47

we think people are just being angry

23:49

about it? I don't know. But I mean, look

23:51

at Chipotle right now, they're getting crapped on by

23:53

everybody. And that's social

23:55

media, we should be able to be able to talk

23:57

and you know, where else can we voice our are

24:00

we supposed to increase our carnitas portions? How

24:02

else? Having said that, I went yesterday and

24:04

they piled it on. I was like, wow.

24:06

It is an apology tour. Are you guys

24:08

really afraid of getting the, yeah, apology towards

24:11

the full effect? I think they handled it

24:13

great, like honestly, because it was a thing.

24:15

If y'all didn't follow along listeners, social

24:18

media started to point out with like TikTok

24:20

videos, like how bad the portions had gotten,

24:22

how small they'd gotten at Chipotle. So then

24:24

it became out that there

24:26

was an internal memo at Chipotle saying, if

24:28

you see somebody in line with their phone

24:31

out, give them a bigger portion so they

24:33

don't post it online. And

24:35

so then like that became the thing that

24:37

now social media maze. And so like, if

24:39

you take your phone to social, the Chipotle

24:41

social media team started posting memes of people

24:44

with big, you know, like cameras in the

24:46

Chipotle line, you know, that guy, that guy

24:48

that like making fun of the fact that,

24:50

yeah, we did this are bad. But

24:52

now the CEO has said we did not lower

24:55

our portion size. You're welcome to fill your bowl

24:57

or, you know, give them a nod. If you

24:59

are more righteous, give them a little nod. Here's

25:01

my order. The guy eats like 8,000 calories a

25:05

day. Apparently Chipotle. In

25:09

a way that actually is like a really good example though of

25:11

I think what we're talking about with the church

25:13

and social media, because it's like, if there's

25:15

a, no, obviously there are certain complaints,

25:17

like criminal ones that, you know, we should be handled

25:19

with nuance. But like, like I said, like, I mean,

25:21

there's times where like I love my pastor, but there's

25:23

been things that it's like, Oh, I don't know if

25:25

I agreed with that. And like, there's a variety of

25:27

reasons why I may not agree with that. But like,

25:30

it would be really dumb of

25:32

me to just go complain online when it's like, actually,

25:34

I could have just like talked to her after church

25:36

and like, you know what I mean? And that's the

25:38

same with like this Chipotle stuff. It's like you,

25:41

instead of just embarrassing this, you know, minimum

25:43

wage worker online, just tell them, Hey, can

25:45

you add more rice? They added more rice,

25:47

but they said there'd be $3. That

25:50

was the way people got mad. Like, oh,

25:53

you want a double portion? No,

25:56

I just want you to do the normal portion. Anyway. All

25:58

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41:13

All right, it's time for your feedback. Like I

41:16

mentioned earlier in the show, last week we asked

41:18

you for stories from your childhood where

41:23

you got, you know, you're playing summer break.

41:25

You got time to kill and you get

41:27

into trouble, get into mischief. And

41:30

sometimes you get hurt. You don't want your parents to know.

41:32

You shouldn't have been doing that thing. You

41:34

hit us up on X at Roland

41:36

Podcasts and on Instagram and told

41:39

us your stories. Here are a few of our favorites. We were

41:41

doing a part two because there were just too many of them.

41:44

There's so many of them. There's so many. Also, I do

41:46

want to say I am shocked. Well, a bunch of these

41:48

are from last week. The mode left over from last week.

41:50

No, I understand. So there's about 15 new ones that

41:53

have we grabbed. And then they're still like all the ones

41:55

from last week. Anyway, good. Yes.

41:58

No, I understand that. I just want to say like... I

42:00

was really surprised looking through the roof. There's

42:02

quite a few people who had like fire

42:05

incidents where they like almost burned down their house or they

42:07

did burn down their house. And I have to say, I

42:10

grew up hearing from my father that who did burn

42:12

down half his house when he was a child, that

42:14

like it was real, I always thought that was a crazy

42:16

story and now I'm like, oh, I guess that was just

42:19

a thing people did was almost burned down houses.

42:22

40% of homes in America are burned down by

42:24

children. A lot of people don't know, but that's

42:26

that. But it's shocking. Just a new bag of

42:28

access to an aerosol, hairspray can.

42:31

Yeah, lots of trouble.

42:35

Well, Timothy says, my friends and I tried

42:37

to make a zip line between two trees

42:39

in my backyard. It worked great

42:41

until it didn't. R.I.P.

42:43

Kevin. He didn't. Oh,

42:45

wow. He didn't. He

42:47

just, I'm waiting for you to say, we're going until it didn't. And

42:50

he left it like hanging. Like, what, well, tell

42:52

us when it is. I know, that's why I

42:54

added it. Because I was like, yeah, no. As

42:57

far as we know, no one perished, but

42:59

it's certainly an ominous ending to that tweet.

43:01

No one perished. I love that. That we

43:03

know. I got a good one right here.

43:05

I got a good one because I've done

43:07

this before. We jumped off the garage roof

43:10

into a pile of leaves, misjudged

43:12

the landing spot, and hit the ground

43:14

hard. I tweaked my ankle and told

43:16

my parents I was trying out for

43:18

a school gymnastics team. Oh.

43:20

I've been there. I did that. Wait, in Miami,

43:23

you had a pile of leaves? Or was it

43:25

palm fronds? So what we did was we jumped

43:27

from the roof to the pool. Yeah. You

43:29

know, and then when we, and then my mom was

43:31

like, what happened? And I was telling her I did

43:34

like a hip hop dance or something like that. And

43:36

I was like, I think I was doing a hip

43:38

hop dance class and I heard. I

43:41

remember there was a shed construction in my

43:43

backyard one time when I was a

43:45

teenager. And we had a swimming pool. And

43:47

my dad, as the shed was going up, he

43:50

told me and my brother, the first time anyone jumps

43:52

off the shed into the swimming pool, filling the swimming

43:54

pool. I promise you the first day that

43:57

shed was up, one of my friends did a sick

43:59

gainer off the bed. Have

50:00

you guys broken as a child because it's like these stories

50:02

make me think like you were just walking around in life

50:04

to To

50:08

as a kid Significantly

50:11

less than I thought it was gonna be

50:13

three bones My nephew just rode his bike

50:15

and broke his elbow like it's it's almost

50:17

like a rite of passion Exactly a rite

50:19

of passive at right on right of Pat.

50:22

What's what's the word? passage

50:24

I don't know why I cannot say that word

50:26

rite of passage I was like pass this path

50:29

Anyway, it's a rite of passage and

50:31

all boys need to break something Unfortunately,

50:33

I look forward to seeing my

50:36

son try it means risk, you know, no risk no

50:38

reward. It just is a part of it That's right.

50:40

No, how are you gonna get a sweet hair on

50:42

the BMX? If you don't build a ramp out of

50:44

plywood and bricks It's true to get some RP. Kevin

50:47

exactly. All right, there's more where that came

50:49

from you and check out our replies. It's funny All right,

50:51

it's time for this week's editorial

50:56

Well, it's fourth it's fourth of July week and

51:00

You know, there's fireworks around You

51:03

know, we're not gonna go downtown with

51:06

the masses. We're gonna put on the

51:08

epic neighborhood fireworks show That's my mantra,

51:10

right? I mean, so we're going

51:12

down to the tent. We're spending all the money We're gonna be the

51:15

huge show. Anyway, we want to know your

51:17

fireworks stories. That's it times fireworks on sideways

51:19

Jesse and I and Montana we bought so

51:21

much illegal fireworks. We couldn't even light it

51:24

all off So we there was a bonfire

51:26

going or just a fire pit so we

51:28

threw all the extra ones into the fire

51:30

pit and They started shooting

51:32

off like bottle rockets just flying around whatever they

51:34

shot into the garage People were

51:37

running for their lives. It was awesome. So

51:39

like this stuff like that. We wouldn't know your fire. Yeah

51:43

I'm gonna get my uncle here. You lost his

51:45

finger true story in a fire man. Your uncle

51:47

is The warning that we

51:49

all get you're gonna lose a finger literally I've never

51:51

known he was holding a firework and it like it

51:53

wasn't like Intentional like he was

51:55

holding it and he was gonna throw it

51:58

and there's something malfunction in the in a