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This episode, 1178, and it's the

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relevant podcast here in Orlando. I'm your

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host, Cameron Strang, and joining me from

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Nashville is our managing editor, downtown Emily

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Brown. Hey, y'all. And from LA,

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you know, from Social Club Misfits, it's Marty. Howdy.

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Let's see. Jesse had an urgent

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client situation happen at the

0:39

last minute, so he can't join us. And

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Derek, all week, he's been out of touch.

0:44

He's not even been participating in the group chat. Normally,

0:47

he tells me like where he's going. This one, he

0:49

didn't. He's been vague, and he's not like telling

0:51

us like, hey, I'm at the beach in the group chat.

0:54

He keeps saying he needs money and stuff. It's really

0:56

odd. And that is I don't

0:58

know what happened, Derek. Please, please. Okay. Here's

1:01

up for Derek Miner. Hopefully, by the time this

1:03

comes out, everything's okay. We'll have the answer. Yeah.

1:06

The bail is crazy, though. We all are traveling because like

1:08

we were talking and, oh, Kim, you're going somewhere next

1:10

week. Marty, you're going to Vegas in like two

1:12

hours. This episode. Yeah. Right

1:15

after this episode, I'm going to Vegas. What are you doing? I

1:17

have a show. I have a show at the MGM

1:19

Grand. What are you doing? I'm serious. I got a

1:21

show. It's a solo show. It's

1:23

a conference for LV Church. Benny

1:25

Perez's church. Yeah.

1:28

So I'm really excited to go. It was like

1:30

a last minute situation, but I love Michael and

1:33

the team that they have there. And

1:35

so I've never, I mean, anytime I've ever

1:37

been in Vegas, it's always been for Rabbi

1:39

Zach Rice's ministry, which was out of Vegas,

1:41

I guess. But so we did a

1:43

bunch of those. Oh, it makes sense that it was in Sin

1:45

City. You know what I'm saying? Well,

1:48

you know what? His son would always

1:50

book us. And he was really, really

1:52

cool. And so this time it's LV

1:54

Church and conference. And I'm excited about

1:56

it. You know, Fern just did his

1:58

solo show in Denver. I just I'm

2:00

doing a solo show Vegas gonna be exciting.

2:02

I Today

2:05

on the podcast Marty every music

2:07

break all three of the breaks

2:09

are songs from flop air volume

2:11

one Yeah, I am obsessed with

2:13

your new album dude. It is

2:15

trying. No good is so good

2:19

You know what? It's odd. It's funny because like

2:21

it's odd that Different this

2:23

is what like internally what artists

2:25

are dealing with like Christian Apple

2:28

they like the music but Really

2:31

mainstream is supporting me more than anything

2:33

which I've never received before where I'm

2:35

getting love from Apple mainstream Amazon

2:37

mainstream and a lot of them even the Christian

2:39

writers on Amazon We're

2:42

like listen, we just love that. We love the point

2:44

of view that you have it's different and we like

2:46

that So, you know shout out to all the artists

2:48

that are coming bringing different point of view it's

2:52

And just even sonically you

2:54

figured out your own lane as far as

2:56

yeah in this space because like And

2:59

even in the album like the front half

3:01

and the back half of two different vibes for

3:04

half is like heavy hitters Like, you know,

3:06

it's like, you know, like energy music and the

3:08

back half is like 90s hip-hop. No, it's

3:10

like lighter It's

3:12

like it's chill. It's like I

3:14

keep finding myself Although

3:17

I love nope and I love

3:19

Christian rappers. So like that I keep finding myself

3:21

like listening to the back half like when

3:23

I'm driving Yeah Last

3:26

yeah that I feel like, you know, I

3:28

feel like growing up to like our

3:31

albums would always be have different Like

3:33

ups and downs or you'd have like your sad song leisure

3:36

Yeah, I always knew that from the

3:38

90s and I feel like now you don't

3:40

really get that You really just get like a

3:42

certain you get like the brand but I love

3:44

sad music. I love happy I

3:46

you need the balance but those B sides they

3:49

kind of stick with you a little longer and

3:51

actually I was I was on a deep Dive

3:53

last week trying to find like what are my

3:55

favorite sad songs from my like favorite artists like

3:58

and there's a couple I have where Even like

4:00

Post Malone did a couple on his first album

4:02

where I'm like, they're really depressing, but I just

4:04

love those B-sides that maybe people just skip over

4:07

because they're not hits, you know? Yeah. I

4:09

love depressing songs. It's actually kind of

4:11

alarming because every year the Spotify top

4:14

songs, whatever, it is always various. And

4:16

I'll post it and my friends will literally mess with me

4:18

and be like, you good? Do you need to talk? It's

4:20

all you too. And for some reason, like. I mean, literally,

4:23

okay, I probably should have met this publicly. I

4:25

think it was two years ago. The

4:27

number one song was a Phoebe Bridger

4:29

song named Funeral, which is probably one

4:32

of her more depressing songs. And

4:34

I literally had people messaging me like, what's going

4:36

on, Emily? Do you need to talk? And I was like,

4:38

no, I just, I love a

4:40

good sad song. I love to cry

4:42

in the dark. It's just the thing I, my

4:45

top song last year was Kiss by a Rose

4:47

by Seal. Do you believe it or not? True

4:49

story. I'm sure your top 10 is as weird

4:51

as my kids because at the end of the

4:53

year, I'll just put on random old school

4:55

stuff or whatever and he's like, oh, that's my number three most two

4:59

song last year. And it's like Earth, Wind

5:01

and Fire, Neil Diamond, like that

5:03

man, like random stuff. I'm like, I love that.

5:05

He is an old man trapped in a deer.

5:08

I love that. Yeah, literally I'm like to ask

5:10

him about Neil Diamond or whatever and I was

5:12

like, how deep do you know Neil Diamond? Like

5:14

we're going to go into the catalog and like

5:16

literally I was pulling out some stuff. I wasn't

5:18

doing like sweet care lines. So like, I'm in

5:20

the catalog. And he's like, he

5:22

pulled up his Apple remix

5:24

or whatever it was list. And it was like this

5:27

deep catalog, Neil Diamond song was his number eight song.

5:29

I was listening to last year. Amazing. I'm

5:31

like, I am impressed. Like dude, like. You

5:33

taught him well. Yeah. That's what it

5:35

is. Yeah, anyway. All right, well, we have

5:38

a great show in store for you. Coming up,

5:40

we talked to Terri Lee Cobble. You know her,

5:42

she's an author. She's one of the biggest podcasters

5:44

in the faith space. She does the Bible recap.

5:46

It's always like literally number two on the Apple

5:48

podcast charts every year, all year. A

5:50

lot of people doing her Bible studies with her. She

5:53

has a new book out last week that

5:55

we talked to her about. So that's coming up later at

5:57

the end of the show, a week or

5:59

two. with

8:00

her though. I'm like, are you cool

8:02

with me saying like, this doesn't seem

8:04

like something to surprise her with. Like

8:06

I wrote a song about you. Yeah,

8:08

she's kind of like, I don't even ask.

8:10

It's the earworm though. That hook

8:12

is always in my head. Like that's the song

8:14

of the entire album that gets stuck in my

8:16

head. So it just makes me

8:19

laugh. I literally, it's great. I just, I

8:21

totally get your relationship listening to this song.

8:23

Yes. Yes. And I don't feel like I've

8:25

ever heard a song like that that really

8:27

talks about like being in love with somebody

8:30

and just like having that moment where you're just

8:32

like, that's pretty funny. Like that's okay. You know, what

8:34

are we fighting? Like we're friends, you know? It's

8:36

really great. I was literally just listening to

8:38

it with Cohen in the car this morning.

8:41

And, and he's like, like,

8:43

you know, I was like, dude, this is hilarious. Like

8:46

listen to the lyrics, you know? And I was like,

8:49

I, the picture I get is that Marty's

8:51

wife is fiery and Marty's

8:53

stupid. And he's just sitting there

8:55

right. This is like classic sitcom

8:57

scenario where the husband's like, the

8:59

wife is way too hot for

9:03

the guy. You know, like dynamic. It's

9:06

like Disney. We always, we call it

9:08

Disney channel logic. It's like Disney channel.

9:10

You'll have like the mom is like

9:12

beautiful. You'll watch a movie like brink

9:14

where the mom is like beautiful. And

9:16

the dad, just like this out of

9:18

work mechanic guy who's like just trying to figure it

9:20

out. But the mom is like a

9:22

real estate agent, you know? It's great. Anyway,

9:24

I love those. All right. It's

9:26

time for slices. All right.

9:30

What do you have Emily? Okay. So

9:32

something you guys may not know about me

9:35

is that I kind of love a

9:37

good scam story. It's like not, it's probably

9:39

one of my worst qualities of mine, but

9:41

like, wait, do you like laughing at the

9:43

victim? Do you like what's,

9:46

what's your appeal here? It's just

9:48

so like, this is like giving me something

9:50

terrible person. It just is so interesting. This

9:52

game is people fall for it because I'm

9:54

like, how did you guys fall for that?

9:56

Like I just, I want like there is,

9:58

I do have some. empathy there, but

10:00

most of it is just like, guys,

10:03

come on. Let's, let's, let's, let's, let's. The

10:06

money with the car pulled up, she handed him cash.

10:08

Like that's just what we were thinking. Yeah. Let's

10:11

like, And you're the lady who figures this out, you

10:13

know? Exactly. It's like, where was common sense

10:15

in this story? Not here. Got

10:17

it. Um, anyways, all that to say, I've

10:20

been having a great week because there's been an incredible new

10:22

scam that I get to tell y'all about. Uh,

10:25

hopefully you may not have heard about this,

10:27

but there's a church in Mexico that's going viral

10:30

because they've been helping people prep for eternity by

10:32

selling slots of land in heaven. Oh.

10:36

Oh, wow. Yes. How

10:38

much do you think like heavenly real estate goes for these

10:40

days? Take a guess. Well, what do they sell it by?

10:42

Is it an acre? Is it a, is it a? They're

10:44

selling it by square meter. Oh. Square

10:47

meter, like three feet by three feet, kinda. Which country

10:49

is this in? Is this in America? It's in Mexico.

10:52

I converted it to US dollar though. So if you

10:54

want to take it. Okay. Okay. Okay. Uh, I'm going

10:56

to say, man, I mean, I feel like, I think

10:58

heaven's pretty big. So I'm going to

11:01

say $1,000 for a property. Well,

11:03

but he sounded by the square meter. So

11:05

that's three feet. About three feet

11:08

by three feet. So if you

11:10

think of a square foot at a house, like

11:12

in on earth, I'm going to build a new house on

11:14

earth. You're going to spend about 200, $250 per square foot.

11:19

So let's say times nine. So I'm going to say $1,500, $2,000, $2,000

11:22

per square meter. So

11:25

how big, how big of a house would that

11:27

be? Like give me a, give me a reference.

11:29

Is that California prices? Is that Florida prices? I'm

11:31

saying new construction. You're going to spend 200, 250

11:33

in a normal average American house right now. Okay.

11:36

So if you're going to do a thousand square

11:38

foot house, that'll be $250,000. You're

11:41

going to do a 2000 square foot house, $500,000 kind of a thing

11:43

to build it new. Right.

11:45

Interesting. So, okay. So we got a little bit

11:47

of Texas prices here. Little Texas. Right. No, exactly.

11:50

I'm saying this is middle America prices. Yeah. Makes

11:52

sense. Yeah. Because that's probably what the guy wants

11:54

to buy. He'll use that money for

11:56

his actual on. Wait, he's selling

11:58

houses. He's selling land. He's a,

12:00

lots of land. It's plots of land. Yeah.

12:02

So this pastor who by the way did

12:04

clarify, he's got permission from God's. Don't

12:08

worry. He's selling a

12:10

square meter. It's, these are actually pretty cheap prices.

12:12

It's only a hundred dollars per square meter. So

12:14

you could get a pretty good house in

12:16

heaven. So like 200 bucks

12:18

just in still in like a square.

12:20

You can sit down at least. What's

12:24

crazy about this. So, you know, this news broke on Twitter

12:26

this week because someone posted like a picture of the brochure

12:28

that he's been handing out. And there's like, I'm

12:31

pretty sure it's an AI image. He's

12:33

involved like a Kinko's. I mean, like

12:35

he's legit about this. Yeah. He accepts

12:37

PayPal, Apple pay, MasterCard, Visa. It's like

12:39

on the brochure, what all he accepts.

12:42

Apple pay. It's just so funny.

12:45

What's crazy though is like the brochure just has

12:47

like an image of this

12:49

family on like this golden staircase and

12:51

this big house in heaven and stuff like that

12:53

and has payment details and has like one

12:56

verse that like vaguely talks about,

12:58

you know, like a home in heaven and

13:00

stuff like that. Nothing about buying lots of

13:02

land though. But I have so

13:04

many unanswered questions that I do need the pastor

13:07

to address before I'm giving him a hundred

13:09

dollars per square meter because like, like we talked

13:11

about how big is the house I can get?

13:13

Like how much is, how much do I need

13:15

in heaven? So much you want to pay. How

13:17

much do I need in heaven? He's not constructing.

13:19

He's just selling you the lot. So

13:22

that's my also like, do I have to

13:24

also buy like construction? Like who I'm paying

13:26

for construction? No, think about it. Is

13:29

he getting commission on it? Listen, all these contractors,

13:31

Christian contractors who died, they're already up there waiting

13:33

for work. You just need to buy the lot.

13:35

So brick by brick. So he's going to, he's

13:38

going to get you saved. So you get admission and

13:40

then he's going to sell you land up in heaven.

13:43

And then once you're up there, you can wheel and

13:45

deal, you know, wheel and deal with the

13:47

guys who kind of work with the designers. But

13:49

see then like, do I get to pick where the plot of

13:51

land is? Do I get to pick my neighbors?

13:53

Like, yeah, there's, there's a lot of

13:55

unanswered questions here that I, if

13:57

I'm going to really believe in this scam, which

13:59

I never will because

14:01

heaven's quite famously free. That's like

14:03

literally the gospel. I

14:07

thought we all knew that, but I guess. It's known

14:09

for those things. Yeah, because apparently according to reports, there

14:12

have been a couple people who have bought into it.

14:14

And so he's already made a couple

14:16

thousand dollars off of people who are trying

14:19

to get a nice home in heaven. I saw

14:21

in your write up, we published this last week.

14:24

I saw in your write up that, because I'm

14:26

thinking this is crazy. This is a one of

14:29

one. You've

14:31

informed me that this

14:33

is not the first time a pastor

14:35

has been selling heavenly real estate. Not

14:37

even the second time. This has happened

14:40

a few times. Huge in the Latin community for

14:42

some reason. Well the other ones were in Africa,

14:44

right? Yeah, so there was one in 2018, there

14:47

was a pastor in Zimbabwe who

14:49

he was selling tickets to heaven for

14:52

converted to US dollars, it was about 533 bucks per person. Oh,

14:55

not bad. Not bad. Taylor Swift's Adair's tour tickets price,

14:57

you know? But why do you need a ticket to

15:00

heaven? If you're saved, you

15:02

get in. That's

15:04

what I wanna know is like, where- He's a

15:06

pastor. I get a non-Christian doing this.

15:09

Yeah, I need to know what piece of scripture

15:11

are we twisting to get people to pay.

15:13

Because it's like, I read the Bible, never

15:15

once are we talking about, you

15:17

know, getting in the ticket master queue line to

15:20

enter into heaven. It's just a quick prayer

15:22

and I'm there, you know what I mean? But

15:25

there was another one. Quick prayer, step in front of

15:27

a bus and you're there. Yeah. Yeah,

15:30

I'm sorry, sorry, I forgot that key port. We're gonna have to step in

15:32

front of a bus, that's the only way. But

15:35

no, there was another story too of last year,

15:37

there was a pastor in Uganda who he

15:39

kind of did the same thing as this

15:42

guy in Mexico, but he was like actually

15:44

able to convince members of the congregation to

15:46

liquidate their assets, including like their livestock, just

15:49

to fund their home in heaven. And

15:51

now I say that like I love a good scam, I do

15:53

wanna clarify, I generally do feel bad for these people who fall

15:55

for it because then it's like now their

15:58

life both on earth. I don't

16:00

want to say an eternity is messed up, but like

16:02

they're they thought they were gonna get a super nice

16:04

home in heaven and Build it sad It

16:07

is sad. Well, I've been like 10 years on the follow-up

16:10

Like does the pastor still selling this

16:12

in 10 years? That's always the question

16:14

is like, you know pastors have seasons

16:16

like I'm over it Now we're looking

16:18

next thing televangelists selling like prep Yeah,

16:20

you know survival stuff and like, you

16:22

know like in times like oh, it's

16:24

coming back on September 12th And you

16:26

know whatever and then it doesn't happen

16:28

what happens? Well, they just find a

16:30

new scam, you know, like yeah Oh,

16:32

well see that there wasn't per meter

16:34

you need to do this as well

16:36

and they're just evolving the scam Yeah,

16:38

right now there's a church down the

16:40

street that they told their entire

16:42

congregation to cash in 401ks

16:45

to help them buy a building and so

16:48

that's and then it's one of the people on staff was like

16:50

can I have a race and The pastor

16:52

was like in this economy. No after Raising

16:55

two million dollars for this building that

16:57

unbelievable what's happening right now in church I

17:00

had I had just our stories that

17:02

I heard about they were young and

17:04

they got involved in a charismatic church

17:06

that had a very influential lead

17:08

pastor and they were very young and naive in their

17:10

faith and they just wanted to Please

17:12

God and do whatever the man of God said and

17:15

they ended up like moving to

17:17

like moving cities They

17:20

they sold everything they sold her her wedding

17:22

ring gave all the money to the church

17:24

It was just really sad the whole the

17:26

whole family was just super concerned You know,

17:28

I was like but they they

17:31

thought they were doing the right thing man And

17:33

then I it did not end well you know

17:35

the moral of the story is if a pastor ever tells you that

17:37

you need to give him $100 for a Tiny

17:40

plot of land in heaven say not

17:42

my Jesus and walk away. Okay, like just

17:44

don't please stop falling for scams That's all

17:46

I'm really trying to get people to do.

17:48

Although I'll give up that piece of entertainment If

17:51

it means that people don't get scammed into heaven, I'll

17:53

say I'll sacrifice that you're welcome. That's

17:56

good. All right, what do you have Marty? What's

17:59

going on guys? I got a great story of

18:01

what's going on is like the name of my

18:03

new segment. What's going on with Marty? I'm gonna

18:05

just like a jingle. I'm gonna make a jingle.

18:08

What's going on with Marty?

18:10

Wait, no, I like the way Kevin went.

18:12

What's going on with Marty? What's going

18:14

on with Marty? Yeah. All

18:16

right, so. Like an old newsy voiceovers. Oh,

18:19

let's do it. What's going on? All

18:22

right, so I got some little, I

18:24

got depressing news right up Emily's alley.

18:27

So a little

18:29

backstory. You know, where

18:31

are the, are we considered MTV

18:33

generation? I don't know. I don't

18:35

know. I think that's like early, that's my parents. I

18:38

mean, MTV played music in the 80s and 90s.

18:42

TRL ended in the early 2000s. I

18:45

would say like 2004 or five would

18:47

be like the end of it. You know? Yeah,

18:49

you know it all ended when the Mulan

18:51

Rouge song came out with Lil Cam Pink

18:54

and Christina Aguilera. Like that was just the

18:56

beginning of the end. Yeah, that was the

18:58

beginning of the Lil Cam was on. I

19:00

would say you're the TRL generation. Yeah, definitely.

19:02

Not the MTV generation. It influenced everything. It

19:04

depends on like, yeah, what era of MTV.

19:06

Because it's like, I watched MTV, but I

19:08

watched like the dumb reality TV

19:10

shows, which people would say is probably

19:12

the worst era of MTV. So

19:14

you're the, you're the team mom

19:17

generation. Marty's the TRL generation. Yes.

19:20

Can we pick a different show than Teen Mom? You're

19:23

the catfish generation. You can be Jersey Shore at least.

19:26

I can see my parents' block channel 29

19:29

because I couldn't listen to secular music generation.

19:31

So yeah. Wow, yeah. So a lot of

19:33

representation here. Well, I have

19:35

some depressing news. Big corporate wins again. They

19:38

are now Paramount, who owns MTV,

19:42

is deleting the archives

19:44

of 20 years of

19:46

journal, journalistic archives,

19:50

TV shows. They've completely

19:52

wiped the website out.

19:54

Actually, silently, they did this

19:56

last month and they

19:59

replaced musicians. Music content, journalistic

20:01

content with reality TV content. So

20:03

it's already started, but the article

20:05

in the news is that Paramount

20:08

is wiping the sleigh clean

20:11

for all MTV, I mean

20:13

Kurt Loder interviews, David Bowie

20:15

interviews. Michael Jack pieces of

20:18

our history are completely gone. Sad

20:22

story because, to me,

20:25

you guys have written like the book of

20:27

Eli, the final piece of it. They have

20:29

like the Quran, the Bible, all this artwork.

20:32

They're preserving it for nuclear war. I

20:35

always thought this was going to be a piece of

20:37

that. I always felt like, but they've wiped it clean.

20:39

Maybe Cam, you could speak on it. One

20:42

of the reasons was, was

20:44

just cost. I don't know how much that

20:46

would cost to be backlining 20

20:49

years of articles. Nothing. I mean,

20:51

this is the deal. For corporate. Well,

20:54

so MTV News shut down last

20:56

summer. They ended creating

20:59

new content on MTV news.com and

21:01

on this channel. Okay, fine. But

21:04

MTV news.com still existed and you

21:06

could go and read, like you're

21:08

saying, 20 years of old coverage.

21:11

Nirvana, different things that, you know. But the

21:13

problem was, is like the site just sat

21:15

there looking stale. I

21:17

think somebody in the brand thought, this

21:19

just looks bad for the brand. We haven't updated

21:22

the site in a year. We

21:24

should just take it offline and push people

21:26

to the current content. I

21:29

don't think they anticipated people being

21:31

upset about it the way they

21:33

are. Who went and was

21:35

like, you know, watching old Kurt Loder

21:37

interviews with Kurt Cobain. Nobody. You

21:40

know, but the idea that we can't is making people

21:42

mad. I think

21:44

they just got caught making a

21:47

decision that they didn't really think

21:49

through, honestly. Because the idea of

21:51

leaving 20 years of web articles

21:53

online is, I mean, you're

21:55

going to pay a few hundred bucks for web hosting a month. If

21:58

you're not updating it, it has no cost. And

22:00

they're Viacom, they're Paramount.

22:03

They already have websites and web servers. They

22:05

wouldn't cost them anything. So it's not cost.

22:07

I think they just didn't think it through.

22:10

They saw a stale old website. We're not

22:12

doing MTV News anymore. Let's just take it

22:14

offline. And the internet noticed and is upset.

22:16

Like the internet does. And they're pretty upset

22:18

about it. You know, I always felt like

22:21

it would've been great to have, you

22:23

know, maybe a retro website, you know, and

22:25

make it cool, make it something. But it

22:28

is a piece of history that did shape

22:30

a generation, you know. Most of the bands

22:32

that we like today are from the TRL

22:34

branch off, you know. I was watching an

22:36

interview yesterday with Tito, this

22:38

boxer Tito. And anyway, he was talking

22:40

about his five favorite bands. And I'm

22:42

like, you are the most MTV generation.

22:44

He's like, my five favorite bands is

22:47

Corn, Limp Bizkit. He's like Eminem, Dr.

22:49

Dre, and Snoop Dogg. I'm like all

22:51

five of the biggest MTV. You

22:53

know, frozen time. Frozen time,

22:55

yeah. And so I just,

22:57

you know, it's a sad day for, I think,

23:00

even the journal, I'm afraid of the word I'm

23:03

trying to find, but even the writers

23:05

of these articles, they

23:07

express publicly on Twitter

23:10

and different venues. Like, hey, like, you

23:12

know, a lot of these interviews are

23:14

even hard to get and they preserve

23:16

them at least. But they're completely gone.

23:19

Here's the one silver lining I do have

23:21

for anybody who actually is interested in looking

23:23

back. On Wayback Machine, they have backdated

23:25

some of the most famous articles, so you can see

23:27

them. But, you know, it's

23:30

almost, it's hard to

23:32

put into words the significance

23:34

culturally, how impactful

23:36

it is to delete all these interviews.

23:38

And Kurt Loder, and there was another

23:41

lady, I mean, all the VJs, and

23:43

there was another lady, I haven't heard

23:45

this name in years, but Alison Sewart,

23:47

so many different, you know, talking heads

23:49

that really, I mean, I

23:51

remember even thinking about this, you know, when I remember

23:53

watching MTV at 4 a.m. and being like, remember

23:56

little mini me guy, Vern Troyer, right?

23:58

I was like, When he died, I

24:00

remember watching that on 4 AM on MTV News

24:02

and just crying. I had to be like 14.

24:05

I was like, oh man, Vern Troyer died.

24:07

I felt sad that he died in

24:09

Vegas with a bunch of women and

24:11

cocaine around. But that's neither here nor

24:14

there. He was probably

24:16

at a Ravi Zacharias conference. Okay, all

24:18

right. First I

24:20

was the person that got edited and now it

24:22

seems like a camera. I

24:25

understand what you're saying. I was a journalist. I

24:28

would be crushed if there were articles that I

24:30

had written and I'd worked on. There's

24:32

so much work that goes into an article.

24:34

Media is in a really frustrating

24:37

state right now and I think a lot of

24:39

people try to discredit journalists but we do work

24:41

really hard and it takes a

24:44

long time to get those interviews and write

24:46

those interviews and compel those questions and stuff

24:48

and are comprises of questions. The

24:51

fact that there's articles that people worked

24:53

on and poured their heart and soul

24:55

into and if they didn't have

24:57

a clip of it saved on a Word document

24:59

or PDF, how are they going to access it

25:01

even just for their personal self? But

25:04

besides the interviews, the coverage of

25:07

pop culture has been deleted for

25:09

20, 30 years of

25:11

coverage. It's like Pitchfork is

25:13

out of business. What's going to happen to 20

25:15

years of Pitchfork coverage coming up? There's

25:20

a brand after brand after brand.

25:22

I saw a BuzzFeed News writer

25:24

lamenting this decision because it's like,

25:26

what happens if BuzzFeed News goes

25:28

out of business? Everything I've

25:30

ever written gets deleted. My career didn't exist.

25:33

It's just like it is a substantial thing but

25:35

just aside from the personal side of like, oh,

25:37

it's too bad for the journalists who worked really

25:40

hard. It's like this is literally

25:42

our live journaling of what's happening

25:44

in our culture. It's just weird to

25:46

say, let's just delete that. It's

25:49

also interesting too because I think media

25:52

literacy, I feel like I've said this before, is in

25:55

its flop era, to borrow from Marty. People

25:57

are honestly absolutely... I'm absolutely

26:00

misremembering things online and just saying it

26:02

so loudly. Cause I

26:04

see it a lot on Twitter where people will

26:07

say things like, oh this is crazy, this artist

26:09

is doing this and that's never happened before and

26:12

it's like, no actually this happened to

26:14

Michael Jackson or this happened to this artist. There

26:16

is this music history and places

26:18

like MTV News are a place

26:21

for people to go and

26:23

see how did the music industry get here, how did

26:25

the TV industry get here. These

26:27

things, things don't just happen in a bubble.

26:30

They've progressed and so yeah, I

26:33

don't think we're gonna be better off as a society that

26:35

we don't have 20 years worth of cultural

26:38

history now missing. I

26:40

wonder if those writers could get

26:42

some of the articles and make a book out of it. Here's

26:44

the only reason why I say that is because. No,

26:47

because Viacom Paramount owns the

26:49

copyright to the stuff that they paid

26:51

for. So if you're on staff, the

26:53

company owns the copyright. If

26:56

you're independent, you could negotiate to own your

26:58

own copyright. I

27:00

know the New York Times has a,

27:03

whatever year you're born in, they can give

27:05

you a book with your name

27:07

on it and it has every article for that year,

27:09

like the main, the biggest articles and

27:12

pop culture to everything. You could buy that.

27:14

So like I'm born in 1987, everything from

27:16

that I can get. And

27:19

so I think that's cool. I think the MTV

27:21

should offer something like that just because it is

27:23

a good book, it's a good pop, it's a

27:25

piece of our history and deleting it is just

27:27

crazy to me. You're deleting the

27:29

Mona Lisa of significance in our lives. It's

27:32

just the difference between written

27:34

slash print media feeling

27:37

substantial, lasting, more credible

27:40

and digital media and visual

27:43

media like television, feeling

27:45

disposable, fleeting, unimportant. And it's like,

27:47

but we're in a digital society.

27:50

So from now moving forward, our

27:53

cultural record and news record is

27:55

digital. So it's like if we

27:57

just start deleting decades at a

27:59

time. What's the future

28:01

gonna look like? There's gonna be no record of

28:03

this period of history if we're only relying on

28:05

what was printed. You know what I mean? It's

28:08

just weird. Anyway. And kids, all the kids know about MTV

28:10

is that it has ridiculousness. See, that's

28:12

all it has. That is really short. That is

28:14

how it is for ridiculousness. Yeah, and ridiculousness. And

28:16

Emily's favorite show, Teen Mom. Teen

28:18

Mom, yeah, Teen Mom. I did like Teen Mom.

28:21

Teen Mom, senior edition. Sorry, sorry, I liked it.

28:23

It was interesting. I

28:25

was just joking. All right, that'll do

28:27

it for Sizes. Make sure to check out

28:29

relevantmagazines.com where we have not deleted 24 years

28:31

of content. Let's go. We cover

28:33

the intersection of faith, culture, and everything in between. Now

28:36

that you know of MTV News, you might as well

28:38

just bookmark our website. That's right. All

28:40

right, stay tuned up next. Tara Lee Cobble

28:42

joins us. When you're back in the period,

28:44

you're one of a kind. Yeah, I be

28:46

the rat, what keep he the lot? Camouflage

28:49

hat with his shorts up high. Should've buckled

28:51

up, it's gonna be a shook night. Tokyo

28:53

drift, cause you know we gotta slide. It

28:55

don't really make sense, hopping off the day

28:58

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our guest today is Terri Lee Cobble.

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She's a speaker, author, and the founder

30:22

of D-Group, an international network of discipleship

30:24

and Bible study groups. You also

30:27

know her from the Bible Recap podcast,

30:29

which literally is number two and

30:31

has been for years and years and years.

30:33

Where she guides listeners through a chronological reading

30:35

of the scriptures each year. We sat

30:37

down with Tara to talk about the importance of

30:39

diving into the Bible on our own and how

30:42

you can grow more with

30:44

your community. Here's the release conversation with

30:46

Tara Lee Cobble. Well,

30:58

you know, you are the host of the Bible Recap,

31:00

which is one of the biggest podcasts out

31:03

really out there right now, especially in the Christian space.

31:05

But I don't know if a lot of people

31:07

know sort of why you got started or how

31:09

you got started. So can you tell just the

31:11

origin story of the Bible Recap? The

31:14

Bible Recap launched January 1st, 2019. And that was when the

31:18

podcast debuted. Like since then we have the

31:20

book has come out the YouTube, but the

31:22

podcast audio was the origin

31:25

story of the Bible Recap.

31:27

And I basically built it for,

31:30

for 10 years prior to that, I'd been leading

31:32

this Bible study. It started with me and nine

31:34

college girls in a living room and it just

31:37

kept growing and growing and growing. And

31:39

we were, there were, I think maybe 200

31:41

D-Groups at that point. We call them D-Group discipleship

31:43

group. And every year I would read through the

31:45

Bible and every year I would encourage people to

31:47

read it with me and they

31:50

would start off strong in Genesis and then,

31:52

you know, taper off somewhere around Exodus, Leviticus

31:54

first half of Numbers. And

31:56

that was a very relatable story to

31:58

me because growing. growing up in the

32:01

church, I had experienced that so many times.

32:04

And so leading this

32:06

Bible study with all these people around the world who

32:08

are starting and falling

32:11

off like I did, I just was

32:13

eager to solve that problem. Like how

32:15

can I help these people finish? And

32:18

the reason that I was

32:20

able to finish the first time successfully was

32:23

because a pastor friend of

32:25

mine offered to answer my questions along the

32:27

way. So instead

32:29

of, I just got a

32:31

call failed, you're still there though. Okay. Okay.

32:35

Instead of like falling

32:38

off, I was growing and understanding,

32:40

I was eager to keep reading. And

32:42

instead of accumulating confusion, I was accumulating

32:44

understanding and knowledge that was like stoking

32:47

the fires of my desire to keep

32:49

reading. So one of

32:52

my girls in my Bible study said to me

32:54

the first, the time that you

32:56

did it the first time through successfully was because someone

32:58

answered your questions along the way, would you be willing

33:00

to do that for me? And so

33:03

I said, sure. So I read through

33:05

with her and when she was about to finish

33:07

the Old Testament, she said, we're on a little

33:09

walk, uh, on the Katie trail here

33:11

in Dallas. And she was like, man, I can't believe I'm about

33:13

to finish the Old Testament. I never would have been able to

33:16

do it if you hadn't walked me through it. And

33:19

then I thought, well, that's why I

33:21

finished it. Maybe this is the

33:23

key. Maybe this is how people read the

33:25

whole Bible is someone walks through it with

33:27

them, answers their questions along

33:29

the way so that they're accumulating understanding

33:32

instead of confusing and confusion. They

33:34

are, um, really

33:37

understanding the meta narrative because when you're rolling

33:39

through it for the first time, it's hard

33:41

to make heads or tales of some of

33:43

the stories and where they

33:46

fit. And so somebody who has read

33:48

it multiple times knows the whole through

33:50

line and is able to say, Hey,

33:52

the part that you're in right now

33:54

is really confusing. Don't worry. It's

33:56

going to make sense in about six months when we hit

33:58

Hebrews, you know, something like that. So

34:02

I wanted to do that

34:04

for as many people as possible. And

34:06

that's why I created the Bible recap

34:08

podcast was, it was a scalable way

34:11

for me to walk the

34:13

people in my Bible study through

34:15

the Bible. My

34:19

prayer when I started it was that 300 people

34:21

would listen and that 300 people would

34:23

read the Bible with me. So the Lord

34:26

answered yes to that prayer. Ah. So

34:39

for you, what's your favorite part about doing the

34:41

Bible recap? You know, one of

34:43

the things that was a big shift for me, when

34:46

I was reading through the Bible the first time was

34:49

I grew up in church and I

34:51

grew up in a space where, and

34:55

I think this is human nature. We're

34:57

reading the Bible to find

35:00

our application point. What is my takeaway?

35:02

What's my to-do list? How can I

35:04

be a good Christian? How can I

35:06

make God happy? Maybe so

35:09

that God will give me what I want. You

35:11

know, like that was, I viewed it as very

35:13

transactional. And my

35:15

pastor who walked me through the Bible the first time,

35:19

there was a subtle shift. It

35:21

seems very subtle, but the effect was cannot

35:25

be overstated. He

35:28

told me to stop looking for

35:30

myself when I read the Bible and to

35:32

start looking for God. And

35:34

so that was really hard for me. I was really

35:37

used to looking for like, tell

35:39

me the things I'm supposed to obey, the

35:41

list I'm supposed to check things

35:43

off of to make God happy. And

35:45

instead to go to scripture, to look for the character

35:48

of God, what he loves, what he hates, what motivates

35:50

him to do what he does. And

35:52

so when we do the

35:54

Bible recap and people start to see the person

35:56

and the character of God and they fall in

35:58

love with him, transforms their relationship

36:01

with God, just like it transformed mine.

36:04

It takes me from transactional to

36:06

relational, from

36:08

this, it

36:11

just adds in layers of intimacy that I never had

36:13

before. And so we end every

36:15

day of the Bible recap with what we call

36:17

the God shot, our snapshot of God and his

36:19

character. And it's

36:22

always what we've discovered about who God

36:24

is based on the reading that day. You

36:26

don't leave the Bible recap going, okay, today's assignment is you

36:28

need to be nice to your kids. Today's

36:31

assignment is don't get anybody off in

36:33

traffic. Like that's not what

36:35

you leave the Bible with. You leave

36:37

the Bible with look at how incredibly

36:40

patient and loving God is towards sinners.

36:43

He is so patient and kind

36:45

to people, including me, sinners

36:48

like me. And then you're

36:50

buoyed by the character of God and you're

36:52

sustained to go through your days, pouring

36:55

out what has been poured into you by God.

36:58

And so I just love that the Bible recap

37:01

is this daily place where we get

37:03

to focus on who God is and

37:05

watch our hearts be transformed as a byproduct.

37:14

Well, on top of the podcast, you're also releasing

37:16

a devotional series called Knowing Jesus. Earlier this year,

37:18

you released the book on Matthew. And just last

37:20

week you dropped the one on Mark. Why did

37:22

you want to make a physical book? So

37:26

what we found was with the Bible

37:29

recap, when we go through the New

37:32

Testament, often people hit

37:34

the New Testament and they're like, Oh my goodness, it's

37:36

so dense. I really just want to do a deep

37:38

dive on the gospels or deep dive on the New

37:40

Testament. And so we spend,

37:42

I mean, the, the, if I

37:44

remember correctly, the portion of the

37:46

time that we spend in the gospels is 45

37:49

days, approximately, so about a month and a half. And

37:53

it's, it's a lot, you know, there's a

37:55

lot in there. And we talk about there

37:57

are these four lenses, the gospels each. have

38:00

a unique lens on who Jesus is. Jesus

38:04

as King, Jesus as servant,

38:06

Jesus as Savior, Jesus as

38:09

God. And so doing these

38:11

four studies, you know, we've released two of

38:13

the four, these deep

38:15

dives, it gives our people who do the Bible recap, who

38:17

are like, I want more meat, I want more depth, I

38:19

want to dig more in. And it's

38:22

also obviously works for people who aren't doing the Bible

38:24

recap, who just want to do a study on those books

38:26

and the person of Jesus. But

38:29

that was such a great

38:32

opportunity for us to dig in a felt need

38:35

that we knew our audience had

38:37

of wanting more time and depth in the

38:39

Gospels. We're like, all right, you want to, you

38:41

want to Jesus better? Sign me up. I'll

38:43

be happy to write that study. So

38:46

we started and I think

38:48

the last one will release early

38:50

2025. You

38:58

also started an organization called D-Group

39:00

International. What is the mission or

39:02

driving purpose of D-Group International? Everything

39:06

we do is intended to help people read, understand

39:08

and love God's Word. I don't just want them

39:10

to read it. I don't just want

39:12

them to read it and understand it. I want them

39:14

to read it and understand it and love it. And

39:17

so D-Group is a space where we get to do

39:19

that alongside other real human beings, where

39:21

we develop accountability,

39:23

where we develop community, where

39:26

we develop spiritual disciplines. So

39:28

it's not just reading the

39:30

Bible. It is confession of

39:33

sin, scripture memory, serving

39:35

together. And I mean, we

39:37

have online D-Groups that still somehow managed to

39:40

do a service project, even though they're

39:42

in some of them are in four

39:44

or five different countries and they're meeting

39:46

online together every week to discuss this

39:48

study and they somehow find a way

39:50

to do a service project together. And

39:53

so it's just this incredible opportunity to

39:55

build a rich community while studying the

39:57

Word together. We believe community happens best

39:59

as a Bible. product of being on

40:01

mission together, not when community is the goal

40:03

itself. And so when we're

40:05

on mission to know and love God, we're building rich

40:07

community with people that are very

40:10

unlike us sometimes, people that we maybe never

40:12

would have chosen to be in our inner

40:14

circle, but we're building

40:16

richer relationships with them than with somebody who

40:18

maybe fits our exact demographic. And it's really

40:20

beautiful. That's

40:27

a really great perspective. How would you

40:29

say people benefit from having a really

40:32

diverse community? It's so

40:34

cool because you get perspectives that you've never

40:36

encountered before. You get

40:39

wisdom that comes from a different

40:41

kind of life experiences. So

40:44

my friends who got married at

40:46

19 have no idea what

40:49

life is like to be single beyond

40:51

that. And me as a

40:53

single person who's never had a husband or

40:55

children gets to

40:57

learn what that is like. And having

40:59

a grandmother in that space, or having somebody

41:01

who maybe is a missionary in another country

41:03

and they're living in a totally different culture

41:06

and they get to bring that conversation to

41:08

the table. It just opens up our understanding

41:10

in a way that if we

41:12

stay siloed off and we only hang out with people

41:14

who look like we do what we like, talk like

41:16

we talk, vote how we vote,

41:19

we don't experience those conversations. And we

41:21

don't get to understand, I mean,

41:23

Emily, that's what the body of Christ

41:25

looks like. The body of

41:28

Christ is a rich, diverse

41:31

tapestry of every people, tongue,

41:33

tribe, and nation. And so

41:35

come on, don't we want our community groups to

41:37

look like that? I want my

41:39

community group to look like the kingdom. That

41:51

was Tara Lee Cobble. Make sure to check

41:53

out her new study on Mark. It's called

41:55

Knowing Jesus as King. It's out now. All

41:58

right, stay tuned up next. It's Table Topics. You're

42:01

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42:04

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you do a collab with someone, I'm always so curious

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reach out to you? How does that work? I

43:34

do have people reach out to me and ask, hey, if you have

43:36

an album, I would love to be on it. Some

43:39

people try to time their release with another

43:41

release. We've had that in the

43:43

past. Usually never accept those ever. For

43:47

this song, actually my buddy John

43:50

Wordsplayed, who makes music with Andy,

43:52

he was like, you know what? Did

43:55

you just call him John Wordsplay? That's his first and last name, isn't it?

43:57

I had to give the whole picture of it. I

44:00

had my advice, his name is John. Yeah,

44:02

yeah, so Magic Bird from Magic Bird fame,

44:04

but anyway, he suggested it. Yeah, he suggested

44:06

it and was like, you know, it would

44:08

be really cool to have a female

44:10

singer. One of the things that I feel like in Christian

44:13

music is like there's no young female

44:15

singers, right? It's like you're Lauren Daigle and

44:17

then like. Riley Clemens. Riley, I would say

44:19

Riley is like it though. Like there's even

44:21

breaking out Riley because Riley is the same

44:23

management team I have. Even breaking

44:25

her out was pulling teeth and just working

44:27

it, you know? But McKenna

44:30

is a young up and coming singer, part of

44:32

a group called The Young Escape. They're great and

44:35

so, yeah, she just, her actually, her brother is an

44:37

incredible producer, helped me produce half of the song, asked

44:40

her, it was simple, yeah, simple. It

44:42

seems like, I don't listen to like

44:44

K-Love type music. We don't really cover

44:46

it, but it seems like in the

44:48

Christian music CCM world, it's

44:50

interesting you're saying that. I'm trying to think through

44:52

like the female names. I know they are more,

44:54

they're older. Adult, adult. A lot of

44:56

them can't, because they sing adult contemporary music, you know? So

44:59

a 23 year old's not gonna sing that style. And it

45:01

seems like if you're female, passionate about

45:03

God, cool, and can sing, you're gonna

45:06

like lead a worship team.

45:08

Like SCU worship as full females or

45:10

elevation worship or whatever. But

45:12

they're not like solo radio artists. That's interesting.

45:14

Anna Golden is another one that comes from

45:16

mine. Like we've had her on the podcast.

45:19

Yeah, I love it. She's actually a

45:21

really, really cool person in like reality. Like she's one

45:23

of the coolest people I've ever met. She's

45:26

like, oh, we're sitting perfectly. She actually invited me

45:28

to her album release party because it was in

45:30

Nashville. And it was super cool. She had a

45:32

bunch of like. Did you get super drunk? No.

45:35

She did have temporary tattoos though. Of like her own

45:37

tattoos that you could put on. And I was like,

45:39

that's actually really cool. That's pretty funny. You

45:42

know, believe it or not, it wasn't the first

45:44

couple like female artists. Like Jackie

45:46

Velasquez, right? Stacy Eureko, like these young girls

45:48

coming names. They're all young, right? They're all

45:51

statesmen of freaking country. They were all super

45:53

young and now we don't have any of

45:55

that music anymore. I saw some Christian retro

45:57

IG account post the other day. I

46:00

have a music video of Stacy Arrico and

46:02

it was like, y'all don't know, she was

46:04

our Christina

46:06

Aguilera. Yeah, she was our Michelle Branch Christina

46:08

Aguilera. I'm sorry. All four of

46:10

those artists in one. I'm sorry, but I watched

46:12

the music video and I remember that era of

46:15

Christian music. She couldn't

46:17

sing, man. It was not a good

46:19

flute. I remember they

46:21

were trying to get anything to be on TRL. They

46:24

were trying so hard. So hard. It would

46:26

always be like 4 a.m. in the morning and you'd see

46:29

it and you're like, oh, that Stacy Arrico, what is she

46:31

doing here? Singing in a high school. She was doing her

46:33

best. That's what she was doing. But then they had JoJo.

46:35

They have 14 different versions of that one

46:37

artist. So it's hard to, you know. Yeah. You

46:40

know JoJo was only 12 years old when she first started singing.

46:42

I want to read that book. I want to read a book.

46:44

What are you talking about? Who's JoJo? I

46:46

don't know who that is. It's just a little too late. I

46:49

know JoJo Siwa. Is that who you're talking about? Absolutely

46:51

not. This one? No. But

46:54

JoJo was an original singer. Yeah. She's

46:57

doing the thing with Mario Lopez. JoJo

47:00

was a singer who had signed and did

47:02

really well. She was in a couple movies,

47:04

did really well. But her label really manipulated

47:06

her contract, manipulated her money. And so she

47:08

actually wrote a book about it and

47:11

about how fans still love her

47:13

to this day. She's got a

47:15

big cult following. And so her book is all about the

47:17

industry. Obviously, I'm one of them. But my wife is one

47:19

of them, believe it or not. Really loves JoJo. She's so

47:21

great. But like that era of

47:23

Christian music labels, like, I mean, I was,

47:26

you know, I covered the industry like I've

47:28

been covered in this stuff. Like before relevant,

47:30

I worked in Nashville working for some Christian

47:33

music magazines. And

47:35

like it was notorious in that like

47:38

90s to 2000s era of Christian labels. They

47:41

signed people to predatory contracts. Like

47:43

I remember Jars of Clay, who

47:45

was one of the biggest groups,

47:47

got locked by Providence like a

47:49

six album deal. They

47:52

never saw another dime for like the full

47:54

six albums. They saw their upfront money. They

47:56

toured it, obviously. And I remember

47:58

when they finally spit out. that last one to

48:00

fulfill their contract, they were like, we're just done.

48:02

And they just walked away after they finally fulfilled

48:05

it. They

48:08

just couldn't make any money. One became

48:10

a barber after that. Yeah, and one

48:13

of them was like a valley card. I

48:16

feel so bad, because they were like, the headlining

48:18

Christian festivals, they were like one of the biggest

48:20

bands for 25 years, in like 20 years.

48:23

And then they made no money, because of the

48:26

label deal they signed. A lot of

48:28

that. I met one of them at a bar in Nashville. Nice.

48:32

He asked me to sing at his house for

48:34

him with a guitar, acoustic guitar, just singing to

48:36

you, just you and him. But

48:38

the part of it that's, people don't

48:41

understand this about labels, and I just got off

48:43

a major. The hardest part

48:45

about labels is not, it's mostly,

48:47

there's so much turnover, right? So

48:49

the person who signed me is now the president of

48:51

the company. And if I wasn't

48:53

signed by him, and the person who was championing

48:56

me left, who else is gonna, who's gonna pick

48:58

up the slack and be like, hey, we love

49:00

those guys. And so a lot of what happened

49:02

to us, even at Social Club is, you start

49:04

out with a staff of 13 people who are

49:06

all about you. And one by one, they start

49:08

getting promoted or go different places. Some of them

49:10

went to Compassion. So you have nobody you started

49:12

with. You have people that you are, you wanna

49:14

get excited, wanted to rile up, but they don't,

49:17

they're already on the next artist, so. Right, they

49:19

wanna do their artists. They wanna, they don't wanna

49:21

inherit. Yeah, so George and Clay had another, yeah,

49:23

the person who signed them went to a different

49:25

company and George and Clay is still there. So

49:27

it's like, who's talking about them? Who's excited about,

49:29

who understands them? And there's nobody. So you have

49:31

no one who's got your back. And that's the

49:33

hardest part about signing to a major is you

49:36

lose those people who are

49:38

defending you and rooting for you. It's

49:40

kind of sad. And it's like, if you

49:42

do a short term deal, your team is

49:44

there, but it's those longer term deals that

49:47

seem super appealing because they give you more

49:49

money upfront, but they just, they're like the

49:51

golden handcuffs and you can't leave the label

49:54

changes hands. I mean, it gets sold, a

49:56

whole new team comes in, they shut down

49:58

their marketing budget. And you're, stuck and

50:00

like you can't get out of it and there's

50:02

your career in somebody else's hands. Man,

50:05

tough. Tough. So what you do, you

50:08

put out your own album called Flop Era and it's

50:10

incredible. So there you go. Which is named after that.

50:12

The fact that when I met with a label, they

50:14

were like, you know, like 70 something

50:16

percent of artists who go independent after signing to

50:18

a major, they flop like you, you know, how

50:20

are you going to make it work? And so

50:22

that's kind of like that. My story is I

50:24

took a leap of faith and trusted in God

50:26

that he had a bigger plan that it wasn't

50:28

tied to somebody who was tied to the music

50:30

that I make for God. It wasn't tied to

50:33

someone else's responsibility to make my career. And so

50:35

that's kind of how Flop Era started. So if

50:37

you flop, it's God's fault, not a

50:39

label's fault. Oh, yes.

50:41

Yeah. Well, also, and one of

50:43

the, one of my rooting factors of like really winning

50:46

and making sure this album was successful was

50:48

pretty much vengeance to show

50:50

them that revenge. Like I just wanted to

50:52

show them that they were wrong. That was a big

50:54

piece of me winning. I was like, I got to

50:56

show you guys that you don't know what you're talking about.

50:59

And you know, next year you might go to a

51:01

different label, you know, how to know if you could

51:03

still be there when I'm, you know. Yeah. Oh

51:05

man. Anyway. All

51:08

right. It's time for Table Topics. It's Table

51:10

Topics. Time. 12 minutes

51:12

in the segment. Here we go. Just

51:15

random selection of cards. I grabbed them. Let's

51:18

do it. All right. Marty,

51:20

which moment from your life would you choose

51:22

to relive if you could? Yeah.

51:25

Yeah, I would probably get, I would

51:27

probably go back to my wedding and

51:29

like have more fun. I

51:31

think that like going, I think my

51:33

wedding experience for me was so stressful. So much money

51:36

was on the line. So much things that I really

51:38

didn't enjoy it. And then my wife was always like,

51:40

man, I wish we stayed a little longer and danced.

51:42

And so just to not hear her say that anymore,

51:44

I would just kidding. But I wish

51:46

that I could go back without the stress of worrying

51:49

about the money and the future and just be like,

51:51

listen, it's time to party and have fun. Just be

51:53

in the moment. Yeah, be in the moment. What

51:55

about you? Which moment of your life

51:57

would you relive if you could? That

52:00

was such a great answer Marty. Unfortunately mine's probably

52:02

just a concert I went to. I love

52:07

concerts. I'm sorry. No, it's good.

52:09

Wait, wait. Don't say Taylor. Pick

52:12

one other than something that happened last year.

52:14

So, it's a play. Probably. I'll do

52:16

the first time I ever saw. So, it's a place farewell

52:18

concert. The time that the lead

52:21

singer played for me in his apartment for two hours on

52:23

the acoustic guitar, that was a good time. There

52:25

was a time. Okay, so when I was... I

52:28

gave him 20 bucks to leave. He wouldn't leave. I want to

52:30

go now. There

52:33

was probably one of the most memorable concert

52:35

experiences. When I was 14, I

52:39

was seeing a bunch of little

52:41

emo scene bands, like All Time Low, Boys

52:44

Like Girls, kind of like those bands that I love.

52:46

I love it. There was like 10 bands that day

52:48

that I saw. But during Boys

52:50

Like Girls set, I went up on stage. Oh

52:53

wow. And so that was really fun. You Courtney Coxed

52:55

it? Did you do the dance? There was a couple

52:58

of us that went... I think he

53:00

said come up on stage and I was already

53:02

at the barricade, like surprise. So, I was like,

53:05

no, you don't have to tell me twice. I'm

53:07

there. So, I did that. I also jumped on

53:09

stage at another concert where the... I think that

53:11

was an All Time Low one, but they did

53:13

not get permission to do that. You're the halfway

53:15

of this story. I get it. You're the thought

53:17

of you so much. Did you? Thank you. I'm

53:19

sure they all said that. The way and then

53:21

the K-pop artist and the... You guys are deeply

53:23

online. So, I'm sure you saw the video I'm

53:25

about to reference on TikTok. That

53:27

lady at the NSYNC concert who

53:30

did this exact same thing happened in the last week.

53:32

Have you seen this Emily? So,

53:35

they asked a group of like four

53:37

or five super fan, you know, ladies

53:40

to come up on stage and they're

53:42

performing. Well, this one lady who's wearing

53:44

a sequin jacket, skinny jeans, and ballet

53:46

shoes. So, the millennial dream. You know

53:49

what I'm saying? She's up there and

53:51

she's on the side and she knew the

53:54

dance steps of the song better than the

53:56

NSYNC guys did. And so, the other ladies

53:58

are just kind of clapping and... and like,

54:00

hey, we're on stage with NSYNC. And this

54:02

lady starts busting out the exact choreography. All

54:05

the attention, including the band, everybody started to be

54:07

like, oh my gosh, they kind of pull around

54:09

the front and she is just giving it. She

54:11

is, everybody's losing their mind. It is like, this

54:14

lady's gone viral because she's like living the millennial

54:16

dream. She should. Yeah, so good for

54:18

her. Anyway, all right,

54:20

would you live your life any differently

54:22

if you didn't care what people thought?

54:25

Marty. I

54:27

don't live my life right now where I don't care what

54:29

people think at all. I really

54:31

don't. I mean, even the way I park, even

54:33

the way I talk to people, I don't believe

54:35

in rules. Wait, wait, wait. The way you park,

54:38

let's talk about that. What do you

54:40

mean? Okay, so growing up, I

54:42

had uncles who were really, really tough guys, real tough

54:44

guys. And I remember one of the things that they

54:46

would always do was they leave

54:48

a car running all the time for

54:50

little things. And so I go to

54:52

this, I mean, I'm in LA and it's known for people

54:55

stealing cars, but I don't care. I'm

54:57

an evil person. I just get out the way. I'll

54:59

park in a handicap spot, leave the car on, grab

55:01

a coffee, go back in the car. I'll

55:03

leave the car, I just don't care. I just, I feel

55:06

like, what are you gonna do to me? What are you

55:08

gonna do? And so I live my life very much like

55:11

I'm bulletproof, which is wrong. But

55:14

nothing has ever happened to me and people

55:16

usually stay out of my way. So it's,

55:18

is that kind of, it's an attitude, I

55:20

don't know. I had a formative parking experience

55:22

when I was a kid. We were visiting

55:24

a very rich family that my parents knew

55:26

in DC, right? They had yachts and whatever.

55:28

Anyway, we're going to dinner and

55:31

I'd never met wealth like this, and

55:33

I'm like eight or nine. And we

55:35

were driving in his 1950 vintage Bentley

55:38

to dinner. And

55:41

we get up, we come, he parks on

55:43

the street. We were at the restaurant in

55:46

downtown Alexandria, Virginia, whatever it was. And

55:48

it's like a push button. Anyway, he

55:50

leaves the keys in the ignition and

55:54

the windows are rolled down. It's a beautiful day. He leaves the

55:56

keys in the ignition and we get out and

55:58

we go into the restaurant. and I'm like, you

56:01

left your keys in the car, somebody could steal it. And

56:03

he just goes, somebody takes it, they

56:05

need it more than I do. And he didn't care. That's

56:07

exactly how uncles live their lives and how I live my

56:09

life too. I mean, steal it, you're gonna have a baby

56:11

seat, that's the only thing I have in the car. I

56:13

mean, I'm like, that blew my mind

56:15

that you could have so much money that

56:18

you don't care about that. Anyway, take your

56:20

keys. I'm actually hung up on you saying

56:22

the phrase formative parking experience, because I think

56:24

you might be the first human to ever

56:26

say that phrase. I mean, it shocked me.

56:28

We parked the car and he left the

56:30

keys in it. And his attitude was, it

56:32

wasn't a mindless thing. He thought he chose

56:34

to leave the keys and he didn't care,

56:36

because if somebody took it, they need it

56:38

more than he does. So anyway,

56:41

all right. True gangster. Emily,

56:44

there's a veto on this. You cannot say

56:46

Taylor Swift. There's the question, what's your favorite

56:48

band? Oof. She's

56:51

gonna say the One Direction. She's

56:53

gonna say One Direction. One Direction is-

56:55

One of the things we're gonna dig into the Taylor Swift hate. Taylor

56:58

Swift and One Direction are vetoed. You can't say what Taylor

57:00

Swift is one of them. Oh, maybe I was gonna say

57:02

one. Who's your favorite band? I

57:05

guess that's such a difficult question,

57:07

genuinely. I'll

57:11

just go with right now, aside from Taylor

57:13

Swift and One Direction, I've been listening to

57:15

a lot of Chapel Rhone these days. So

57:17

I'll pick her right now. Marty.

57:21

Favorite band right now would probably be Neil Diamond.

57:24

No, I'm just kidding, that's your sons. My

57:26

favorite band right now would

57:28

probably be, I mean,

57:30

I've been getting, this is stupid, but I've been

57:32

getting back into MXPX. You guys remember that band?

57:34

Yeah, of course. Yeah, so I found one of

57:36

their old albums in my room when I was

57:39

cleaning out stuff. And it's a

57:41

green album where he's skateboarding, the guy's skateboarding

57:43

on top. And I was like, whoa, these

57:45

songs transform me back as a teenager. And

57:47

so I'm kind of doing deep dives on

57:49

MXPX. Anything that's on the Tony Hawk Pro

57:52

Skater soundtrack, I've been kind of going through

57:54

it. Love it. Nice. Mine's

57:56

the far side. Ooh, good

57:59

one. Yep. The best. All right.

58:02

Marty, how do you

58:04

measure success? Success is if your kids want to hang

58:06

out with you when you get old. That's

58:08

what I've always heard from multi-billionaires. They always

58:10

say that. That's really sweet. That's

58:12

good. That's true. If people like you when they don't

58:14

need to like you, it's a good thing. Emily,

58:17

how do you measure success? Do

58:21

you have enough money to buy whatever Taylor Swift concert

58:23

you want? Ticket. That's

58:26

not how I measure success. I will say that. I

58:30

don't know. Yeah, I think just if I can

58:32

look back on something and be

58:34

proud of it, I think it's I

58:37

don't really care what other people think.

58:39

I really like as long as I'm proud of it

58:41

and I'm proud of my decisions and

58:43

whatever I did to get there, then that

58:45

feels successful. So fulfillment. You just feel

58:47

like you feel at peace with your

58:49

decisions, your life, your whatever that's success.

58:53

There you go. All right. What's your

58:55

favorite cartoon character, Marty? Bart

58:57

Simpson. Really? Off the

58:59

top, Bart Simpson shaped me as a kid. And

59:02

that attitude of not giving a credit. Yeah, that's

59:04

why I wasn't allowed to watch him because of

59:06

his attitude. His attitude, he's

59:08

a smart aleck and that attitude shaped

59:10

me as a little kid. And I

59:12

remember even like acting like

59:15

him in school, you know, they kind of identify with the

59:18

character and so much that you start to pretend you're him.

59:20

Like I did that during the office. You know,

59:22

I was watching so much of it. I would look at random

59:24

places and go like I was Jim, but I

59:26

would not. So Emily,

59:29

favorite cartoon character. Okay. I'm

59:32

not going to lie. The first thought I had was Lisa Simpson.

59:34

Wow. That's funny. So I want

59:36

my brother and I to get Simpson's

59:39

tattoos. Really?

59:41

I have a couple of friends who have Simpson's tattoos, believe

59:43

it or not. There's one I saw, I think on TikTok

59:45

or something. Is it going to be like Bart peeing on

59:47

something? No, there's ones that I really want

59:50

to get. It's so my brother

59:52

would get Bart

59:54

like choking Lisa and then I would get Lisa

59:56

choking Bart and then I would get him. Okay.

1:00:00

One of my buddies says Bart Simpson

1:00:02

as MF Doom playing an NPC. My

1:00:06

boy Ray Raku is Andy Minaj. I

1:00:09

will say, okay, Lisa, I do think is my

1:00:11

favorite. My second thought though was the entire

1:00:13

cast of Rocket Power. I loved that show. Great.

1:00:16

Yeah, that was a great era. So I'll

1:00:18

put them in there. Animaniacs I

1:00:20

enjoyed in the 90s,

1:00:23

2000s. All

1:00:25

right, last one. Which of your

1:00:27

mother's silly instructions do you still

1:00:29

obey, Marty? All right, so

1:00:31

you know when you're driving at night and you put the

1:00:33

light on, the cops will

1:00:35

stop you if that light's on. Oh yeah, the deep...

1:00:38

Oh, in the car, the backlight in the car. I

1:00:40

still think to that this day, yeah. It's

1:00:42

so stupid. They'll never... Cops will

1:00:44

never... I actually asked the cop, Mike, would you

1:00:46

stand like, why? That's like, aren't you looking like you're not trying to

1:00:48

reach in the dark? But as a kid, I always... Even

1:00:51

as an adult, I'm kind of like, shut it off, shut it off. And

1:00:54

that piece of advice kind of stuck with me forever. I'm

1:00:58

really trying to think. All

1:01:00

my answers are off the tip of my tongue. I'm

1:01:03

like, oh, Spar Simpson. For some reason,

1:01:05

the one I'm thinking of is my

1:01:08

mom just always told me, before you leave

1:01:10

on a trip, clean your room so that

1:01:12

way when you get back... Yeah, but like... And

1:01:14

all that kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah. Feel fresh.

1:01:17

That feels kind of like... She's given me generally such good advice

1:01:19

and I don't know why I'm blanking on it, but I

1:01:22

do still also follow the advice of I need to

1:01:24

clean my apartment before I leave anywhere. Thanks,

1:01:26

Mom. There you go. All

1:01:28

right. That'll do it for Table Topics.

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